NBA 00s Tournament of 64

[IceMan2]

Now that the season is over...lets do something fun!


I am conducting a March Madness Like Tournament of which team is the best in the 2000s! The entries? 64 of the best teams in the decade. They were selected and seeded through the following criteria:

1. Champions were given the highest seeds

2. After that, regulars season and playoff records were used to rank the rest.

3. The same franchises being put in the same regional bracket was was avoided to a certain degree.

4. No franchise was allowed to have 2 teams within 2 years. Thus, no consecutive year teams were allowed.



With that said, here are the teams that were selected for this tournament!




North Region:

1 00 Lakers

2 04 Pistons

3 06 Heat

4 04 Pacers

5 00 Blazers

6 07 Suns

7 01 Spurs

8 00 Knicks

9 08 Jazz

10 01 Mavericks

11 07 Bulls

12 02 Pistons

13 01 Raptors

14 00 Hornets

15 05 Nuggets

16 06 Grizzlies


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305169


East Region:


1 08 Celtics

2 07 Spurs

3 09 Cavaliers

4 05 Suns

5 00 Pacers

6 04 Lakers

7 02 Nets

8 04 Kings

9 09 Rockets

10 05 Sonics

11 09 Blazers

12 09 Mavericks

13 03 76ers

14 00 Timberwolves

15 05 Wizards

16 07 Raptors


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305187


South Region:

1 09 Lakers

2 05 Spurs

3 06 Mavericks

4 09 Magic

5 01 76ers

6 08 Pistons

7 09 Nuggets

8 07 Cavaliers

9 00 Jazz

10 00 Suns

11 07 Rockets

12 06 Clippers

13 06 Nets

14 09 Hawks

15 02 Timberwolves

16 03 Hornets

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8737289&posted=1#post8737289


West Region:

1 03 Spurs

2 02 Lakers

3 06 Pistons

4 02 Kings

5 03 Mavericks

6 04 Timberwolves

7 01 Bucks

8 08 Hornets

9 02 Celtics

10 00 Heat

11 09 Spurs

12 04 Nets

13 05 Rockets

14 03 Blazers

15 04 Grizzlies

16 05 Bulls

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305309




And here is a link to the full-bracket:

http://challonge.com/00NBATournament

[IceMan2]

So now we know which teams are included in this tournament, how will this work? Here are some ideas I have:

- Simulate games through whatifsports.com. I have found this site to be reasonable realistic and who knows what will happen in real-life anyways so lets just use the results from this website. The advantages are you can also see box scores and play-by-plays, etc. Also safe-guards can be made in place to ensure I don't rig this thing lol.

- I don't want to use the NCAA Tournament-Like 1 Game and you are out. Because all these NBA teams are great and anybody can beat anybody in 1 game. But I don't want to see Best out of 7 throughout because then there will be no upsets. So I propose this:

Round 1 (Best out of 3)

Round 2( Best out of 5)
Sweet 16, Elite 8, Final 4, Championship Game (Best out of 7)

[IceMan2]

Now time to collect your thoughts on anything

- Thoughts on this whole process
- The simulation of these games. Any ideas you have on how the winners should be picked.
- The selection & seedings of the teams. Which deserving teams got left out. Which teams got too high of a seed and which teams got too low of a seed.
- Predictions! Final 4 predictions, Championship predictions, upset predictions, etc.
- Anything
- March Madness like questions "Which of the 1 seeds will go down 1st" :
00 Lakers, 08 Celtics, 03 Spurs, 09 Lakers
- Toughest region?


If theres not much interest on ISH on this, I will probably not go through the work to do all this lol

[Coach A]

Looks interesting, I will follow

[iamgine]

Prediction: 07 Suns will win it all because I say so.

[Doctor K]

When is this starting? Final 4 prediction: 04 Pistons, 07 Spurs, 02 Kings, 09 Lakers

[IceMan2]

lol looks like not enough interest on ISH...

[Twiens]

Interesting, ill predict 2000 Lakers take it all.

[bluechox2]

start it

[FKAri]

lol looks like not enough interest on ISH...

uhh..

LeGoat
LeGawd
:bowdown:
b2b champs baby!
We da bess
Kome
Kochuck
Kobrick
:rockon: :rockon:

[jcsrplumply]

02 Kings will win it all for sure.

[IceMan2]

Hmm I'll think about if I want to do this or not.I think it is a fun and interesting idea.

[Odinn]

If you are going to use WIS simulations, I suggest that;
Round 1; best of 15
Round 2; best of 17
Sweet 16; best of 19
Elite 8; best of 21
Final 4; best of 23
Finals; best of 25

I know, #s are huge. But WIS sims are not stable. You can defeat 1996 Bulls with 1986 Celtics with 4-1. And 2 minutes later '96 Bulls can sweep '86 Celtics. To eliminate things like that numbers should be greater than 7.

[IGotACoolStory]

If you are going to use WIS simulations, I suggest that;
Round 1; best of 15
Round 2; best of 17
Sweet 16; best of 19
Elite 8; best of 21
Final 4; best of 23
Finals; best of 25

I know, #s are huge. But WIS sims are not stable. You can defeat 1996 Bulls with 1986 Celtics with 4-1. And 2 minutes later '96 Bulls can sweep '86 Celtics. To eliminate things like that numbers should be greater than 7.

I agree with something along these lines if you aren't posting box scores/stats/etc (because that would be an absurd amount of work for this). The simming only take a couple seconds anyway. If you are then your way makes sense.

South region is garbage. East is weak too. North and West are substantially better.

One of those early 00 Lakers team will win.

[IceMan2]

If you are going to use WIS simulations, I suggest that;
Round 1; best of 15
Round 2; best of 17
Sweet 16; best of 19
Elite 8; best of 21
Final 4; best of 23
Finals; best of 25

I know, #s are huge. But WIS sims are not stable. You can defeat 1996 Bulls with 1986 Celtics with 4-1. And 2 minutes later '96 Bulls can sweep '86 Celtics. To eliminate things like that numbers should be greater than 7.

1) But what makes you think series in real-life would be stable? Spurs swept the Grizzlies 4-0 in WCF but it could've easily gone 4-1 or 4-2 in the favor of the Grizzlies. I mean its hard to imagine since it didn't happen, but just look at the result of some season games game to game or individual games. Or see things like Clippers defeating Grizzlies the year before and then the next year Grizzlies defeat Clippers 4-2.

Im just saying real-life I don't think is anymore stable than WIF.

2) So it might not be completely stable. But this is an NCAA Tournament style tournament.
Upsets happen! All the time lol. In fact, thats why some of the earlier rounds are best out of 3 and best out of 5. So if upsets were to happen, that's cool.

[IceMan2]

I agree with something along these lines if you aren't posting box scores/stats/etc (because that would be an absurd amount of work for this). The simming only take a couple seconds anyway. If you are then your way makes sense.

South region is garbage. East is weak too. North and West are substantially better.

One of those early 00 Lakers team will win.
Box scores will be posted ;) Along with play-by-play.

I think it will be interesting. I mean we don't know what will happen in real-life if these teams faced off. Anything could happen. We could see what happens here and it could indeed be good indicator of real-life because we don't know anything else anyways. But yeah, it will be cool to see box scores and see how the players fare going head to head.

[IceMan2]

You really think the East and South are weak though? I mean you got the 08 Celtics and 09 Lakers, and then some really good Spur championship teams leading those regions

[KG215]

If you are going to use WIS simulations, I suggest that;
Round 1; best of 15
Round 2; best of 17
Sweet 16; best of 19
Elite 8; best of 21
Final 4; best of 23
Finals; best of 25

I know, #s are huge. But WIS sims are not stable. You can defeat 1996 Bulls with 1986 Celtics with 4-1. And 2 minutes later '96 Bulls can sweep '86 Celtics. To eliminate things like that numbers should be greater than 7.
This. When the WIS people do their own simulations, they do something like 100 or 1,000 simulations of each match-up. Don't know the exact number, but I know it's pretty big.

I got bored last summer and did my own 16-team all-time NBA tournament and did something long those same increments. Think I made the first round best of 13 or 15, and added 2 games each round.

I came across the spreadsheet I had everything saved in this summer, and got really ambitious and tried to do a regular-season/round-robin thing for seeding purposes. Made every team play the teams in their division 100 times and non-division opponents 50. I simmed games off-and-on for several weeks and I don't think I even got halfway through the round-robin before I gave-up. But, point being, you'd see some crazy runs by teams. One team could start off a series of 50 with 8-10 straight wins, only to lose 5-7 in a row to the same time. And if you look at some of the starting lineups and rotations WIS has for certain teams, and compare them to MPG and whatnot for that team on BBR, there's some teams that are way off on WIS.

[alexd]

:applause: :applause: i will follow :applause: :applause:

[IceMan2]

This. When the WIS people do their own simulations, they do something like 100 or 1,000 simulations of each match-up. Don't know the exact number, but I know it's pretty big.

I got bored last summer and did my own 16-team all-time NBA tournament and did something long those same increments. Think I made the first round best of 13 or 15, and added 2 games each round.

I came across the spreadsheet I had everything saved in this summer, and got really ambitious and tried to do a regular-season/round-robin thing for seeding purposes. Made every team play the teams in their division 100 times and non-division opponents 50. I simmed games off-and-on for several weeks and I don't think I even got halfway through the round-robin before I gave-up. But, point being, you'd see some crazy runs by teams. One team could start off a series of 50 with 8-10 straight wins, only to lose 5-7 in a row to the same time. And if you look at some of the starting lineups and rotations WIS has for certain teams, and compare them to MPG and whatnot for that team on BBR, there's some teams that are way off on WIS.

1) But what makes you think series in real-life would be stable? Spurs swept the Grizzlies 4-0 in WCF but it could've easily gone 4-1 or 4-2 in the favor of the Grizzlies. I mean its hard to imagine since it didn't happen, but just look at the result of some season games game to game or individual games. Or see things like Clippers defeating Grizzlies the year before and then the next year Grizzlies defeat Clippers 4-2.

Im just saying real-life I don't think is anymore stable than WIF. What is true that there might be a different winner the next time I run this...but who cares lol. That can be true of real-life as well again.

2) So it might not be completely stable. But this is an NCAA Tournament style tournament.
Upsets happen! All the time lol. In fact, thats why some of the earlier rounds are best out of 3 and best out of 5. So if upsets were to happen, that's cool.





I guess the only thing I can consider doing is making every round Best out of 7 rather than Best out of 3 and 5 early on.

[IceMan2]

Oh and I will make sure the rotations/minutes are accurate (according to BBR) in WIF.

[iamgine]

well then

[KG215]

1) But what makes you think series in real-life would be stable? Spurs swept the Grizzlies 4-0 in WCF but it could've easily gone 4-1 or 4-2 in the favor of the Grizzlies. I mean its hard to imagine since it didn't happen, but just look at the result of some season games game to game or individual games. Or see things like Clippers defeating Grizzlies the year before and then the next year Grizzlies defeat Clippers 4-2.
I don't know, why don't you ask the people at WIS why, when they do their own simulations, they sim the match-ups hundreds of times for a more accurate result? And, like I said, I've played around with this a lot, and have simmed certain match-ups my 50-100 times. I've seen wild swings in a sim where the home team will around 7-10 in a row then the road team will 5 or so in a row. And in those sims I'll see odd scores like 131-78, or 66-63.

I just think for something like this, where you're going to be using a computer based simulation and the people who own/run the website themselves see a need to sim match-ups many times, simming each game one time, and making it a best-of-seven may not yield the most accurate results.

It's just my opinion. This is your thing so do what you want. I'll still be interested in seeing the results.

[MaxFly]

This is pretty interesting. I'd certainly like to see what comes of this.

[IceMan2]

I don't know, why don't you ask the people at WIS why, when they do their own simulations, they sim the match-ups hundreds of times for a more accurate result? And, like I said, I've played around with this a lot, and have simmed certain match-ups my 50-100 times. I've seen wild swings in a sim where the home team will around 7-10 in a row then the road team will 5 or so in a row. And in those sims I'll see odd scores like 131-78, or 66-63.

I just think for something like this, where you're going to be using a computer based simulation and the people who own/run the website themselves see a need to sim match-ups many times, simming each game one time, and making it a best-of-seven may not yield the most accurate results.

It's just my opinion. This is your thing so do what you want. I'll still be interested in seeing the results.

Yes but the results on the website are really results saying "___ on WIF". They are really saying what would WIF predict and for that there are hundreds of sim. THis was supposed to be a realistic sim. In other words, if this ever happened in real-life, how would they do it? They surely would not play 100 games each series lol. They would do things similar to what I'm suggesting.

Sure there will be upsets, but thats part of the NCAA-like point I made as my 2nd point. Even in the same NCAA tournament you can't expect the same winner again due to the unstability. Same you could say for here maybe.

But overall, this is meant to be a sim to emulate real-life. Thats why I will use the rotations of each team from real-life. That is why I will post play-by-plays and box-scores and it will be fun to see H2H matchups between teams and players. I think WIF overall is fairly accurate usually. So that is why I'm choosing it to represent this virtual 'real-life' simulation. But I also said I was open to other suggestions.

[IceMan2]

The only thing I'm debating right now is whether to have it

Round 1: Best out of 3
Round 2: Best out of 5
Best out of 7 rest of way

Or Best out of 7 all the way...

[hangintheair]

This. When the WIS people do their own simulations, they do something like 100 or 1,000 simulations of each match-up. Don't know the exact number, but I know it's pretty big.

I got bored last summer and did my own 16-team all-time NBA tournament and did something long those same increments. Think I made the first round best of 13 or 15, and added 2 games each round.

I came across the spreadsheet I had everything saved in this summer, and got really ambitious and tried to do a regular-season/round-robin thing for seeding purposes. Made every team play the teams in their division 100 times and non-division opponents 50. I simmed games off-and-on for several weeks and I don't think I even got halfway through the round-robin before I gave-up. But, point being, you'd see some crazy runs by teams. One team could start off a series of 50 with 8-10 straight wins, only to lose 5-7 in a row to the same time. And if you look at some of the starting lineups and rotations WIS has for certain teams, and compare them to MPG and whatnot for that team on BBR, there's some teams that are way off on WIS.

Wow you really have some free time during summer..

Anyways, I would follow these. 00'lakers all the way..

[hangintheair]

The only thing I'm debating right now is whether to have it

Round 1: Best out of 3
Round 2: Best out of 5
Best out of 7 rest of way

Or Best out of 7 all the way...

Make it best of 7 all the way.. ALA NBA Playoffs

[KG215]

Wow you really have some free time during summer..

Anyways, I would follow these. 00'lakers all the way..
:confusedshrug:

Meh, I'd just kill a few hours in the afternoon a few days a week. I mean you can sim a matchup 50-100 times in about 10 minutes, so it's not like I was sitting here and wasting hours and hours doing it. Do that 3 or 4 days a week for about a month, for an hour or so each day, and you can a ton of games.

All I was doing was recording the stats (but only doing something like a best of 9 or best of 11) for the semi-finals and Finals. For the round-robin thing, I was just simulating and keeping-up with W's and L's, so that part really wasn't time consuming. Recording the stats for each game, and keeping up with the totals so you can get series averages is what can be time consuming.

[IceMan2]

Make it best of 7 all the way.. ALA NBA Playoffs
Aite man! Gonna get started soon now


A new thread will be made for each region

[Scholar]

I'm interested in this. Might as well, OP. Not like there is much else going on here during the summer.

[IceMan2]

North Region thread has been created!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305169

[IceMan2]

Some IMPORTANT things:

-East Region thread created:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305187


-If you want to help sim, you can! Please let me know lol


- I am thinking about doing something different once we get to the Final 4. Maybe a combination of human analysis and WIF. Not thought it out yet. Give me ideas if you have some.

[Done_And_Done]

Coolio...

I dig the idea and appreciate the effort you're exerting into this. I look forward to see who comes out on top in the end...

[IceMan2]

Bracket all up to date and South Region thread made!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8737289&posted=1#post8737289

[IceMan2]

Bracket all up to date and West region thread made!

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305309

[IceMan2]

So 1 matchup of each region has been simmed. Namely, the 1 vs. 16 matchups. All the #1 seeds advanced as expected with a couple of sweeps. So far I would say things have gone as expected. Now I will start simming 2 vs. 15 matchups, and work my way down.

[IceMan2]

All the 1 and 2 seeds have advanced to the next round! No surprise though, a few sweeps here and there as well. Notably the 3 Spurs Championship Team and the 3 Laker Championship Teams all advance, the Spur teams went 12-1 in the 1st round while the Laker teams went 12-2. I would expect to at least 1 Spurs and Lakers team in the Final 4. Yeah?

So no upsets yet, maybe we will get an upset on a 3 vs. 14 seed game?

[IceMan2]

The 1 vs. 16, 2 vs. 15, and the 3 vs. 14 matchups have been simulated. No upsets yet but we had a couple of Game 7s. Now we move onto the 4 vs. 13 matchups. Potential upsets? Here are the next 4 matchups I will sim:

4 02 Kings vs. 13 05 Rockets
4 04 Pacers vs. 13 01 Raptors
4 09 Magic vs. 13 06 Nets
4 05 Suns vs. 13 03 76ers

Some really good 4 seeded teams. 3 of those teams had the best record in the NBA during their season and the other went to the NBA Finals.

[KG215]

The 1 vs. 16, 2 vs. 15, and the 3 vs. 14 matchups have been simulated. No upsets yet but we had a couple of Game 7s. Now we move onto the 4 vs. 13 matchups. Potential upsets? Here are the next 4 matchups I will sim:

4 02 Kings vs. 13 05 Rockets
4 04 Pacers vs. 13 01 Raptors
4 09 Magic vs. 13 06 Nets
4 05 Suns vs. 13 03 76ers

Some really good 4 seeded teams. 3 of those teams had the best record in the NBA during their season and the other went to the NBA Finals.
Did you post all the results of the 3 vs. 14 match-ups or did I just miss the thread before it got knocked off the front page?

[IceMan2]

Did you post all the results of the 3 vs. 14 match-ups or did I just miss the thread before it got knocked off the front page?
lol yep all those had been simmed. There were a few close series. Check original post for links to all the regions ;)

[Doctor K]

The 1 vs. 16, 2 vs. 15, and the 3 vs. 14 matchups have been simulated. No upsets yet but we had a couple of Game 7s. Now we move onto the 4 vs. 13 matchups. Potential upsets? Here are the next 4 matchups I will sim:

4 02 Kings vs. 13 05 Rockets
4 04 Pacers vs. 13 01 Raptors
4 09 Magic vs. 13 06 Nets
4 05 Suns vs. 13 03 76ers

Some really good 4 seeded teams. 3 of those teams had the best record in the NBA during their season and the other went to the NBA Finals.

To be honest I don't see any upsets happening there...maybe the Magic lose though.

[IceMan2]

Also as we continue going, remember the full bracket is updated after I sim each matchup:

http://betterbracketmaker.com/#!/46ffb17c92c15 (also found in the OP of all my threads)

[dr.hee]

Awesome tournament. Did this all the time with simulating full 48 minute game playoffs on 2k12 with retro rosters while studying. Which ended up with me watching my computer play basketball against itself mostly:lol

[hangintheair]

I'm not surprise that there still no upsets since it was played in 7 games. But the Cavs and Wolves was tough one. Alpha dogs fighting for their team LBJ vs KG.

[IceMan2]

All the 4 vs. 13 have now been simmed. All the 4 seeds also won lol.

Tomorrow the 5 vs. 12 matchups will at least start being simmed. This is good because now 2nd round matchups will start to be formed (since 4vs13 have already been simmed). Also, our 1st potential upsets maybe?

5 00 Blazers vs. 12 02 Pistons
5 03 Mavericks vs. 12 04 Nets
5 01 76ers vs. 12 06 Clippers
5 00 Pacers vs. 12 09 Mavericks


I'm gonna say 06 Clipper and 09 Mavericks have shots at upsets.

[IceMan2]

All the 5 vs. 12 matchups have been simulated!

Bracket is all up to date:
http://betterbracketmaker.com/#!/46ffb17c92c15


We had two 12 seeds advance so there were a few upsets.

[IceMan2]

Just for fun, here are all the teams in this tournament and the # of times they are present in this tournament:


Grizzlies 2 (04, 06)
Heat 2 (00, 06)
76ers 2 (01, 03)
Pacers 2 (00, 04)
Celtics 2 (02, 08)
Lakers 4 (00, 02, 04, 09)
Blazers 3 (00, 03, 09)
Magic 1 (09)
Sonics 1 (05)
Suns 3 (00, 05, 07)
Timberwolves (00, 02, 04)
Knicks 1 (00)
Clippers 1 (06)
Mavericks 4 (01, 03, 06, 09)
Wizards 1 (05)
Hawks 1 (09)
Pistons 4 (02, 04, 06, 08)
Kings 2 (02, 04)
Jazz 2 (00, 08)
Nets 3 (02, 04, 06)
Spurs 5 (01, 03, 05, 07, 09)
Bucks 1 (01)
Cavaliers 2 (07, 09)
Raptors 2 (01, 07)
Bulls 2 (05, 07)
Rockets 3 (05, 07, 09)
Hornets 3 (00, 03, 08)
Nuggets 2 (05, 09)



As you can see, the Spurs have the most with 5, followed by the Lakers, Pistons, and the Mavericks with 4. These same franchises have been divided as best possible amongst the region so they won't probably face their own franchise in a particular region but it is posssible for it to happen once the Final 4 start.

But yeah, just because they have more teams (and deserving for that) Spurs may have a good chance at winning this.



But I'd like to take a step back and congrat all the franchises up there for even making it to this tournament of the best teams in the 2000s

[IceMan2]

So whats next?


6 vs. 11 matchups!


6 2007 Suns vs. 11 2007 Bulls
6 2004 Timberwolves vs. 11 2009 Spurs
6 2008 Pistons vs. 11 2007 Rockets
6 2004 Lakers vs. 11 2009 Blazers


Some very strong 6 seeds in this. And the bottom seeds are getting better and better.

Predictions for these series? Upsets?

I would personally go for:

Suns in 6
Timberwolves in 7
Pistons in 7
Lakers in 5

[Doctor K]

So whats next?


6 vs. 11 matchups!


6 2007 Suns vs. 11 2007 Bulls
6 2004 Timberwolves vs. 11 2009 Spurs
6 2008 Pistons vs. 11 2007 Rockets
6 2004 Lakers vs. 11 2009 Blazers


Some very strong 6 seeds in this. And the bottom seeds are getting better and better.

Predictions for these series? Upsets?

I would personally go for:

Suns in 6
Timberwolves in 7
Pistons in 7
Lakers in 5

Bulls in 7
Wolves in 6
Rockets in 6
Lakers in 4

[waseem780]

04 wolves would destroy 09 spurs. MVP KG + allstar sam cassel >>>>> parker + old duncan + declining manu

[IceMan2]

Sorry everyone, was on a mini-vacation...but now i'm back! (kind of, not quite back yet, but getting there lol)

[IceMan2]

All the 6 vs. 11 matchups have been simmed and the bracket is all up to date:

http://betterbracketmaker.com/#!/46ffb17c92c15



Now we move to the 7 vs. 10 matchups!

7 01 Spurs vs. 10 01 Mavericks
7 01 Bucks vs. 10 00 Heat
7 09 Nuggets vs. 10 00 Suns
7 02 Nets vs. 10 05 Sonics


Predictions? Can't really say upsets are possible on 10 vs. 7 seeds.

I got:

Spurs in 7
Heat in 6
Nuggets in 6
Sonics in 5

[IceMan2]

All the 7 vs. 10 matchups have been simulated, and as always the bracket is up to date:
http://betterbracketmaker.com/#!/46ffb17c92c15


Now just the 8 vs. 9 matchups left and we move onto the 2nd round!


8 00 Knicks vs. 9 08 Jazz
8 08 Hornets vs. 9 02 Celtics
8 07 Cavaliers vs. 9 00 Jazz
8 04 Kings vs. 9 09 Rockets

[IceMan2]

The 1st Round if Officially All Simulated!

Here is the bracket:

http://betterbracketmaker.com/#!/46ffb17c92c15



What a round it was, all the 1 seeds advanced, a lot of upsets, and Dallas, San Antonio, and LA still have 4 teams alive in this tournament.

Before we move will like to say, all the 64 teams whether they are still in or not, it is an honor for any of them to even participate in this tournament. I mean these were the best teams selected from the whole decade. Props to all these teams. :applause:


But yeah now we are down to 32. A lot of good 2nd round matchups as you can see from that link. Will be interesting to see how this all goes down.

[Coach A]

Great work iceman2, looking forward to the results of the 2nd round. im going to say a 1 or 2 seed falls here.

[IceMan2]

We move to the 2nd round! With these games:

1 00 Lakers vs. 9 08 Jazz
1 03 Spurs vs. 8 08 Hornets
1 09 Lakers vs. 8 07 Cavs
1 08 Celtics vs. 8 04 Kings


Also, 2nd round more "matchup adjustments" will be allowed mid-series, basically lineup changes and so on depending on how the series is going for each team.

Any predictions for these matchups? Any #1 seed might fall? I would predict all the 1st seeds to advance but I would say the Hornets and Jazz have best shots at upsets.

[Doctor K]

00 Lakers in 5
07 Cavs in 7
04 Kings in 6
03 Spurs in 6


Kings and Cavs are my upset picks. LeBron going to dominate Kobe.

[IceMan2]

All the 1 seeds advance to the Sweet 16
Not too surprising, there were some tough games including the 2000 Lakers going to a game 7

Updated Bracket:

http://betterbracketmaker.com/#!/46ffb17c92c15

Next-up tomorrow we will start:

2 04 Pistons vs. 10 01 Mavericks
2 02 Lakers vs. 10 00 Heat
2 05 Spurs vs. 10 00 Suns
2 07 Spurs vs. 10 05 Sonics

[IceMan2]

We are half way through Round 2!

unfortunately I am going on vacation (fortunate for me though lol). I will not be able to sim till I get back (and thats 2 weeks). So yeah lol. If someone else wants to sim feel free (follow the same format as me). But otherwise I WILL be back to finish this!

[IceMan2]

I am back!

Simming will resume today

[MP.Trey]

:rockon:

[IceMan2]

Next up will be 2 interesting matchups

3 09 Cavs vs. 6 04 Lakers
3 06 Heat vs. 6 07 Suns

Both these series I think could go either way

[Doctor K]

Cavs in 7
Heat in 7

[IceMan2]

So we are down to our Sweet 16

Sixteen teams remain from 64 as this tournament comes to a climax. The Sweet 16 round is tough with many good matchups to watch

Here is a link to the full bracket:

http://betterbracketmaker.com/#!/46ffb17c92c15

Things are going to get interesting!

[jcsrplumply]

Kings still in good shape :).

[hangintheair]

4 Spurs team and 3 Lakers team.. :applause:

[IceMan2]

4 Spurs team and 3 Lakers team.. :applause:
Haha yeah, 7 of the Sweet 16 teams are either the Lakers or Spurs. Though I wouldn't be surprised if a few of them fall this round

[IceMan2]

Sweet 16 Storylines

North:

1 2000 Lakers vs. 4 2004 Pacers

2 2004 Pistons vs. 3 2006 Heat


The Lakers barely survived Utah winning 4-3, now they face Indiana who came back from a 3-0 deficit showing they can beat anyone.
The premier matchup though, maybe of the entire round, is between the Pistons and the Heat. 1st time in this tournament 2 champions square off. The Pistons have gone past the 1st 2 rounds their style playing great defense, while the Heat have advanced through their dominant duo. Now these 2 teams face off and we all can expect a tough series.


East:

1 2008 Celtics vs. 4 2005 Suns

2 2007 Spurs vs. 3 2009 Cavaliers


The Celtics face the high scoring Suns next as their defense gets a test against the Suns offense. While LeBron is once again facing the 2007 Spurs this time as a better player and with more help.


West:

1 2009 Lakers vs. 4 2009 Magic

2 2005 Spurs vs. 3 2006 Mavericks


The Lakers face the Magic again in a rematch of the 2009 finals. But this time both Jameer Nelson and Andrew Bynum appear healthy. Spurs and the Mavericks face off as the Spurs were the Western conference champs in 2005 and Dallas in 2006. Mavericks though in 2006 proved they can beat the Spurs eliminating them in 7 in the playoffs, but the Spurs were healthier in 2005 and go to show what a champion is worth.


South:

1 2003 Spurs vs. 4 2002 Kings

2 2002 Lakers vs. 11 2009 Spurs


The almost 2002 champions face the actual 2003 champions. The Kings are one of the most talented teams in this tournament and the Spurs maybe the 1st #1 seed to drop. The 2002 Lakers have swept past the 1st 2 rounds as they face a team who has upset past the 1st 2 rounds in the 09 Spurs.









Thoughts? Opinions? Predictions?

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Unsurprisingly the top 2 seeds in each region have advanced. I still believe one of those Shaq led Lakers teams win this.

I expect chalk all the way across, except in the North. 2006 Heat upset the 2004 Pistons.

2000 Lakers over 2004 Pacers in 6.
2006 Heat over the 2004 Pistons in 6.

2008 Celtics over the 2005 Suns in 5.
2007 Spurs over the 2009 Cavs in 7.

2009 Lakers over the 2009 Magic in 5.
2005 Spurs over the 2006 Mavs in 7.

2003 Spurs over the 2002 Kings in 7.
2002 Lakers over the 2009 Spurs in 6.

[Doctor K]

Thoughts? Opinions? Predictions?

Lakers over Pacers in 6
Pistons over Heat in 7

I'd love to see 04 Pistons vs. 06 Heat. I think the Pistons win the same way they beat LA in 04. But Miami has looked tough so far in this tournament.

2008 Celtics over Suns in 6
2009 Cavs over spurs in 7

Yes LeBron gets his revenge :rockon:


2009 lakers over magic in 5
2006 Mavericks over spurs in 7

mavs-spurs repeat series of 2006, neck to neck, either team can win



2002 kings over Spurs in 6
2002 Lakers over Spurs in 5


Yeah all the Spur teams go down this round lol

[Gifted Mind]

2 2004 Pistons vs. 3 2006 Heat


1 2003 Spurs vs. 4 2002 Kings


Will be most interested in these 2

[hangintheair]

North:

1 2000 Lakers vs. 4 2004 Pacers - Lakers in 6

2 2004 Pistons vs. 3 2006 Heat - Pistons in 7

East:

1 2008 Celtics vs. 4 2005 Suns - Celtics in 5

2 2007 Spurs vs. 3 2009 Cavaliers - Spurs in 6

West:

1 2009 Lakers vs. 4 2009 Magic - Lakers in 5

2 2005 Spurs vs. 3 2006 Mavericks - Mavericks in 6

South:

1 2003 Spurs vs. 4 2002 Kings - Kings in 7

2 2002 Lakers vs. 11 2009 Spurs - Lakers in 6

[jcsrplumply]

Kings in 4! :rockon:

[IceMan2]

Sweet 16 begins today!

[jcsrplumply]

Sweet 16 begins today!
:applause: :applause:

[IceMan2]

All the #1 seeds advance to the Elite 8!

http://betterbracketmaker.com/#!/46ffb17c92c15

[IceMan2]

sorry guys went on a mini-vacation...but i'm back!

[IceMan2]

ELITE 8 COMING UP


1 2000 Lakers vs. 3 2006 Heat

1 2009 Lakers vs. 2 2005 Spurs

1 2008 Celtics vs. 2 2007 Spurs

1 2003 Spurs vs. 9 2009 Spurs



4 of the final 8 teams are from San Antonio :applause:

[JimmyMcAdocious]

2000 Lakers over the 2006 Heat in 6.

2005 Spurs over the 2009 Lakers in 7.

2008 Celtics over the 2007 Spurs in 6.

2009 Spurs over 2003 Spurs in 5.

[caliman]

I'm sure this had to be an oversight, but the 2001 Lakers aren't in the tournament? That is the team that had the greatest postseason run of all time, and are much more deserving than the 2004 Lakers. The tournament starts off at a disadvantage without having the most dominant champs in there.

[KobesFinger]

I'm sure this had to be an oversight, but the 2001 Lakers aren't in the tournament? That is the team that had the greatest postseason run of all time, and are much more deserving than the 2004 Lakers. The tournament starts off at a disadvantage without having the most dominant champs in there.

It's because the OP doesn't want consecutive champions, he has the 2000 and 2002 Lakers in there. I agree though, 2001 Lakers > 2000 and 2002 Lakers

[KobesFinger]

My predictions:

2000 Lakers in 6
2005 Spurs in 6
2008 Celtics in 5
2003 Spurs in 6

I have a gut feeling the 2005 Spurs win it all though

[IceMan2]

I'm sorry for dissapearing but I'm back to finish this

[IceMan2]

bracket is up to date


http://betterbracketmaker.com/#!/46ffb17c92c15

[Doctor K]

I'm sorry for dissapearing but I'm back to finish this
:rockon:

[coolhandsteve]

I've enjoyed watching this tournament and I was wondering if you'll do the 90s next?!

[IceMan2]

I've enjoyed watching this tournament and I was wondering if you'll do the 90s next?!

I was thinking about it. If people want to see it I will. I have already started putting the seeds. That's one of the funnest parts in ncaa type tournaments, to see what seeds various teams are and how their regions look

[IceMan2]

time to start the Elite 8

[IceMan2]

The 2003 Spurs have officially advanced to the Final 4


More simming tomorrow to figure out which team will join them, some good matchups remain. All champions vs. champions

[King Jane]

dafuq? N64 sucks yo aint nobody got time to play 2k on it

[IceMan2]

dafuq? N64 sucks yo aint nobody got time to play 2k on it
:wtf:

[JohnFreeman]

02 Kings

[coolhandsteve]

I was thinking about it. If people want to see it I will. I have already started putting the seeds. That's one of the funnest parts in ncaa type tournaments, to see what seeds various teams are and how their regions look

Cool..count me as one who would! :rockon:

[IceMan2]

Lets head to the South Region championship

[IceMan2]

The 2009 Lakers also advance to the Final 4

We focus our attention now to the East Region finale

[IceMan2]

With the Final 4 spirit inside me, I think it's time to finish this off.


Sorry for dissapearing 2 years ago (family issues) but i would hate to have all this hard work wasted. Lets finish this off. 6 teams remaining. 2 teams already in the Final 4 and 2 still remaining.


Full Bracket: http://challonge.com/00NBATournament

Simming will start either today or tomm!


Please check the individual region threads (linked in OP) to see where we are at for reach region.

[IceMan2]

finishing this summer after finals!