As a Spurs fan, what would be worse, Fisher's 0.4 shot or Ray Allen's three?

[HoopsFanNumero1]

I'd have to say Ray Allen's 3. I've never seen a team come so close to a championship and just let it slip away.

[imdaman99]

hmmmmmmmm im gonna say this ray allen 3, because ray allen misses and the spurs are champs. fish misses, and the wcf series continues.

[Boston C's]

The allen shot is arguably the biggest shot in nba history...literally took a championship away from another team

[imnew09]

or T-macs 13 points in 35 secs :roll: :roll:

[KrizMiz]

ray

because that was maybe their last chance to win together!
we know the spurs are a great francise but i dont see them going to the finals in the next year or two

[HoopsFanNumero1]

or T-macs 13 points in 35 secs :roll: :roll:

That doesn't even come close to the two plays I mentioned. That was just a regular season game.

[sportjames23]

Not a Spurs fan, but Ray's three has gotta be the worse thing. Even if Fisher's shot had not gone in, they still had to finish off the Lakers.

If not for Ray's three, they WOULD be champions. Not even close to a comparison for me.

But again, I'm not a Spurs fan.

[imnew09]

That doesn't even come close to the two plays I mentioned. That was just a regular season game.

April 2013, welcome to this board. If you can't handle sarcasm or trolls, I recommend you to log off now.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

April 2013, welcome to this board. If you can't handle sarcasm or trolls, I recommend you to log off now.

I actually thought you were being serious.

[ConanRulesNBC]

You're kidding right? Fisher's 0.4 in the second round of the playoffs vs. Ray Allen's 3 with only seconds left from winning the NBA championship? I think they'd take Ray Allen's 3 as being far worse. There was no guarantee they were going to win the championship in 2004. They still had to get through Minnesota and Detroit and I think either of those teams would have beat them that season. They were literally seconds away from winning the NBA championship in game 6 this season until Ray Allen knocked down that 3. That was way more devastating than Fisher's shot.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

You're kidding right? Fisher's 0.4 in the second round of the playoffs vs. Ray Allen's 3 with only seconds left from winning the NBA championship? I think they'd take Ray Allen's 3 as being far worse. There was no guarantee they were going to win the championship in 2004. They still had to get through Minnesota and Detroit and I think either of those teams would have beat them that season. They were literally seconds away from winning the NBA championship in game 6 this season until Ray Allen knocked down that 3. That was way more devastating than Fisher's shot.

Yeah, that's what I thought. It's just that I was reading another thread on a Spurs forum, and some Spurs fans were saying the 0.4 seconds was actually worse. Some guy argued that Fisher took away Duncan's best game winning shot.

[GoSpursGo1984]

Ray Allen's by far without that we would have been champs this year Fisher's shot was just a lucky heave.

[Done_And_Done]

Ray Ray's...

He misses that shot and we're looking at a different champion than we eventually recieved...

[Kiddlovesnets]

or T-macs 13 points in 35 secs :roll: :roll:

Thats not even in playoffs, while T-Mac never did anything specials in playoffs series anyway.
:oldlol:

[Scholar]

The shot by Fisher, though epic, wasn't during the Finals in a potential championship match.

[Jyap9675]

Lol didnt see a similar thread to mine.. Yea ray's three still hurts. Man spurs been through so much

[red1]

yea this one clearly goes to ray's clutch three

[tmacattack33]

The shot by Fisher, though epic, wasn't during the Finals in a potential championship match.

The WCF from the year 1999 to 2003 was basically the Finals.

Still, i'd take the Ray Allen shot over that easily, since it the Spurs would have won the Finals if they won that game.

[Rose'sACL]

Ray's 3 was worse for spurs although there was time left after he shot that ball so Miami still had a chance if they rebounded his miss.
They also had their chance in OT.

[Soundwave]

The Allen shot, but the Fisher shot was more stunning.

[d.bball.guy]

Lakers fan here but it's not even close, it has to be Ray's 3.

[Anaximandro1]

Fisher's 0.4 shot was a freak event beyond the control of the coaching staff and players during the second round.Furthermore,the Spurs' best players were young so they still had plenty of time to win more titles.

Ray Allen's three was part of a chain of events under control of the Spurs at the end of NBA Finals.They had won the title on the road against a team built through collusion.

Wade,LeBron and Bosh should be the laughing stock of the NBA as we speak, but the Spurs' bad decisions gifted the title to the colluders.What's worse,the clock is ticking: Duncan will be 38 next season,Manu 36,Parker 32...

Honestly,the Spurs' potential cap space and Leonard are the keys.

[BigTicket]

Obviously Ray's shot is worse.

They lost an NBA championship based on that one shot, doesn't get any worse than that.

[SCdac]

As a Spurs fan, that Fisher shot is way worse (remember Duncan's "OMFG" clutch shot prior to it?), mostly because many SA residents feel it shouldn't have gone in and the refs started the shot clock late.

Allen's three I almost expected, believe it or not, because I don't feel the current Spurs are the same caliber of defensive team as they were in 2000-2007 with Bowen on the perimeter. In other words, I never felt the Spurs were safe. Call me a cynic, call me a realist, whatever.

With the Fisher shot, that was just absurd, a momentum breaker, and against a much bigger rival. Potential back-to-back championships right there, could have even lead to a three-peat given peak/prime Duncan's talent.

[Boston C's]

As a Spurs fan, that Fisher shot is way worse (remember Duncan's "OMFG" clutch shot prior to it?), mostly because many SA residents feel it shouldn't have gone in and the refs started the shot clock late.

Allen's three I almost expected, believe it or not, because I don't feel the current Spurs are the same caliber of defensive team as they were in 2000-2007 with Bowen on the perimeter. In other words, I never felt the Spurs were safe. Call me a cynic, call me a realist, whatever.

With the Fisher shot, that was just absurd, a momentum breaker, and against a much bigger rival. Potential back-to-back championships right there, could have even lead to a three-peat given peak/prime Duncan's talent.


I kinda get what your saying but when you look at the allen shot it literally was the direct cause that the spurs dont have a trophy right now...if he misses then the spurs are celebrating and not the heat... in terms of context the allen shot was one of the biggest ever if not the biggest but i guess the o.ps question doesnt exactly fit the bill and I'm not a spurs fan to judge anyway

[SamuraiSWISH]

Really?

[It's A VC3!!!]

as others said, ray's three was the fine line between a spurs championship and a heat championship. i'f im a spurs fan, i remember that shot well for the rest of my life. but too many people are focusing on that shot when they should focus on the two missed free throws, and the two offensive rebounds they let the heat get before that shot went in. still, a heart-breaking shot.

[2010splash]

My condolences to Spurs fans. 2013 was the most devastating and gut-wrenching loss in NBA playoff history, bar none. There were several Finals where a team came close. Off the top of my head, Pistons in 2005, Celtics in 2010, Knicks in 1994, Mavs in 2006, and to a lesser extent the Suns in 1993 and Jazz in 1997. But this is by far the worst. No team has ever come closer to winning the title without actually winning it. Literally 28 seconds away and the championship right in front of you, the trophy prematurely being wheeled out to celebrate San Antonio's win.

The Fisher shot was bad, but it was only the 2nd round and a Game 5, and there's no guarantee they would have won Game 7. Tough to swallow but nowhere near as bad as this.

[SCdac]

I kinda get what your saying but when you look at the allen shot it literally was the direct cause that the spurs dont have a trophy right now...if he misses then the spurs are celebrating and not the heat... in terms of context the allen shot was one of the biggest ever if not the biggest but i guess the o.ps question doesnt exactly fit the bill and I'm not a spurs fan to judge anyway

I get what you're saying... but that Spurs-Heat game went to OT, and then Game 7.

After Fisher's shot, the game ended, and he literally ran into the Locker room in front of a stunned San Antonio home crowd... then they played more games as well.

I'm not big on playing the "what if" card, because you can do that about anything. Like I said, I feel like Allen's three happened within the flow of the Heat's 4th quarter offense, whereas Fisher's shot was flukish and there's still resentment in San Antonio about it ("shouldn't have counted" according to many San Antonians).

In 2004, Spurs had only won 2 championships and were at the height of their success and still building their legacy... Anything they win recently is just a cherry on top of the success last decade, and fans know it... San Antonio residents are much more upbeat about the current loss to the Heat and have gotten over it surprisingly fast.

Nobody is really going around SA saying "can you believe that Allen three??" ... It's more so lamenting Lebron and the spurs shortcomings.

You have to understand, this thread is not asking about logic, it's asking about emotion and feeling... .4 shot was way worse.

[SCdac]

My condolences to Spurs fans. 2013 was the most devastating and gut-wrenching loss in NBA playoff history, bar none. There were several Finals where a team came close. Off the top of my head, Pistons in 2005, Celtics in 2010, Knicks in 1994, Mavs in 2006, and to a lesser extent the Suns in 1993 and Jazz in 1997. But this is by far the worst. No team has ever come closer to winning the title without actually winning it. Literally 28 seconds away and the championship right in front of you, the trophy prematurely being wheeled out to celebrate San Antonio's win.

The Fisher shot was bad, but it was only the 2nd round and a Game 5, and there's no guarantee they would have won Game 7. Tough to swallow but nowhere near as bad as this.

Gut wrenching or not (Spurs fans are proud of the Spurs more than ever), not many people in SA are putting Allen's shot up there with Fisher's or even consider it circumstantially the same.

[ninephive]

ray

because that was maybe their last chance to win together!
we know the spurs are a great francise but i dont see them going to the finals in the next year or two
Did you forsee them going this year after the Thunder loss last year?

[Nezty]

or T-macs 13 points in 35 secs :roll: :roll:


Even though it didn't happen in the playoffs or it wasn't asked by the OP, Spurs have terrible luck like this and the two asked by OP. To answer the question definitely Ray's three.

[Haymaker]

Ray's three was cruel. We had the 5th title won. :cry:

[SCdac]

as others said, ray's three was the fine line between a spurs championship and a heat championship. i'f im a spurs fan, i remember that shot well for the rest of my life. but too many people are focusing on that shot when they should focus on the two missed free throws, and the two offensive rebounds they let the heat get before that shot went in. still, a heart-breaking shot.

most people in SA are harping on this and not a three by Ray Allen that sent the game to OT ... understandably, IMO.

Allen made a career out of hitting big shots, he's on the court for one reason.

whereas Fisher is an average three point shooter at best and it was way more of a surprise to hit a shot with less than half a second.

[Frozen1]

You can

[All Net]

Ray was bigger.. Fish was more shocking.

[kobeef24]

[QUOTE=Frozen1]You can

[SCdac]

Ray was bigger.. Fish was more shocking.

More shocking is harder to cope with, trust me...

Fisher to this day is still hated in this city. One has to consider the Spurs-Lakers rivalry, back and forth in the early 2000s, to fully understand which of these shots weighs more on the emotions of fans. Allen's shot wasn't even the deciding points of the game, nor was it as freakish. These things matter.

[The Real JW]

Fisher's was more memorable, but Allen's was more crucial and surely stung more.

[kobeef24]

Ray's 3 and it's not even close. If it wasn't for that shot the Spurs would have another championship.

[MisterAmazing]

In terms of how incredible the shot was, fisher definitely wins. But in terms of importance, as OP is asking, it's Ray's shot, and it's not even close. Without Rays shot, the Spurs win the trophy, and that's no exaggeration. Even though the LAL win was important for the WCF, the shot that keeps the Heat in the finals which they went on to win is exponentially more important (up there with the most important shots in NBA history) and so it's gotta be worse.

[Foster5k]

Is this a joke? Ray Allen's death three was far worse than anything the NBA has ever witnessed.

Spurs basically had their hands around the trophy and Ray Allen just crushed them like ants with one shot.

That was the shot heard around the world. Heat went on to win it all. Spurs probably fade into oblivion for years to come.

[bagelred]

The allen shot is arguably the biggest shot in nba history...literally took a championship away from another team

I'd have to agree. Biggest shot in NBA history....

[Rodmantheman]

Is this a joke? Ray Allen's death three was far worse than anything the NBA has ever witnessed.

Spurs basically had their hands around the trophy and Ray Allen just crushed them like ants with one shot.

That was the shot heard around the world. Heat went on to win it all. Spurs probably fade into oblivion for years to come.


yet there two wins away from going back to the Finals.

[zoom17]

Is this a joke? Ray Allen's death three was far worse than anything the NBA has ever witnessed.

Spurs basically had their hands around the trophy and Ray Allen just crushed them like ants with one shot.

That was the shot heard around the world. Heat went on to win it all. Spurs probably fade into oblivion for years to come.

nice prediction:hammerhead:

[aboss4real24]

yet there two wins away from going back to the Finals.

2 wins they wont get

[SilkkTheShocker]

Allen's 3 was harder on LeBron Haters more so than Spurs fans

[Haymaker]

Ray Allen's 3 is fresher in our memory, but the Allen shot did not end the game, it wasn't a buzzer beater either and it damn sure was not the kind of impossible shot that Fisher hit. When Fisher hit that shot, it felt like a stab. He was not SUPPOSED to make that shit. Allen, the greatest 3 pt shooter of all time had an open shot against a non-threat (Parker), Fisher had Ginobili (IIRC) with his arm extended and limiting his view.

Right now, the Ray shot hurts more, but the Fisher shot will stand the test of time.

I root against the Heat because I hate Wade, but I hate the Lakers more than any other team. I'm so GLAD that Kobe is on his last legs and their team is a mess. If you ask me who I would root for in a finals between Kobe's Lakers and this Miami team, I would root for the Heat all day long.

[Haymaker]

Allen's 3 was harder on LeBron Haters more so than Spurs fans

Couldn't have said it better. :applause:

[PickernRoller]

ray

because that was maybe their last chance to win together!
we know the spurs are a great francise but i dont see them going to the finals in the next year or two

:lol

[AintNoSunshine]

Last year's Game 6 was probably as close to a champinoship as a losing team has ever gotten