2013 Wimbledon Thread

[DuMa]

Kicks off in about 6 hours in London. ESPN has all the rights to show it here in the USA.

Federer/Nadal are in the same quarter. Fed/Nadal will have to beat the other, Murray AND Djokovic potentially to win the Slam.

thats a hard draw for either Federer or Nadal.

But neither Murray or Djokovic are as strong as Fed or Nadal on grass.

I got Nadal winning this.

[gigantes]

meanwhile i got you with less money in your pocket, duma. surprised?

[plowking]

Djokovic to win. Unless they've slowed down the courts some more with new technology, as well as the balls, Nadal hasn't got a shot.

[Sarcastic]

Let's go Rafa. #13 is in sight.

[The_Yearning]

My money is on Rafa. Djokovic is looking questionable as of late.

Federer is always a threat but who knows.

Serena barring injury will cruise through Wimbledon.

[bdreason]

My favorite tourney of the year. Favorites to win are probably Djoker and Serena. I'll be pulling for Federer, or perhaps Murray to get a major win in his homeland. I would also like for any female to win besides Serena. As an American I guess I should be cheering for her, but I really can't stand the biatch.

[irriducibili]

Grigor Dimitrov got this :cheers:

[alenleomessi]

i think this might be fed's last chance of a grandslam

[ukballer]

In my head I don't think Federer will win, but I'm tempted to put a cheeky bet on him while his odds are quite long.

[GatorKid117]

Nadal down a set and 4-5 in the 2nd.

Wow

And I jinx the other dude lol

[bigkingsfan]

Biggest all time upset coming.

[imdaman99]

are you kidding me nadal? :facepalm

[DropStep]

Holy ****

[GatorKid117]

Gotta think Darcis has gotta win it in straights to have a chance. How many 4 or 5 setters has he played? Can't be many at all.

[chips93]

is nadal hurt or something? just switched it on

[GatorKid117]

is nadal hurt or something? just switched it on

Something is up with him, physically or mentally. I've been watching since the start of the 2nd and he just looks lethargic. Darcis is playing great tennis but nothing an 80% Nadal shouldn't handle with ease.

[imdaman99]

Something is up with him, physically or mentally. I've been watching since the start of the 2nd and he just looks lethargic. Darcis is playing great tennis but nothing an 80% Nadal shouldn't handle with ease.
yeah his backhand looks like complete shit. which only means the darcis guy is gonna keep forcing him to hit it backhand.

[GatorKid117]

Wow...

[chips93]

poor rafa :(

[imdaman99]

the fck is wrong with nadals knee? he took the tourney after the french off so he could heal, but you could tell it was bad today. he just didnt have it, he didnt chase, he didnt defend, his backhand was horrible. he usually breaks his opponents like 2-3 times a set, and he could barely touch this guy :rant

[plowking]

Djokovic to win. Unless they've slowed down the courts some more with new technology, as well as the balls, Nadal hasn't got a shot.

Guess the courts were a bit quicker this time around, hey? :oldlol:

People seriously need to calm down with this Rafa possible GOAT talk. He could win as many as he wants, and he wouldn't be. Take him for what he is; a great clay court player who happened to win a few titles on the other surfaces before he was figured out a little.
He is close to unbeatable on clay. Incredible stamina, and ability to chase down every shot. But once you get on the quicker courts, its harder to keep that up, and he has to rely more on his opponent missing his shots than him doing anything about it. He plays moonball tennis.

[GatorKid117]

Very gracious of Nadal to still sign autographs and letting Darcis leave 1st. I'm not a Rafa fan but he's always been a great professional. Get better soon.

[imdaman99]

Guess the courts were a bit quicker this time around, hey? :oldlol:

People seriously need to calm down with this Rafa possible GOAT talk. He could win as many as he wants, and he wouldn't be. Take him for what he is; a great clay court player who happened to win a few titles on the other surfaces before he was figured out a little.
He is close to unbeatable on clay. Incredible stamina, and ability to chase down every shot. But once you get on the quicker courts, its harder to keep that up, and he has to rely more on his opponent missing his shots than him doing anything about it. He plays moonball tennis.
do you enjoy defense in the NBA? or do you root for the heat because of high flying hollywood? maybe you werent around for the knicks-heat rivalry when it was a slugfest and playoff games were won 72-70 but i was. sure its different scenarios as the nba is a team game and tennis is 1 on 1, but i love defense. nadal plays defense, he doesnt have the offense of djokavic or federer, but he has beat both those guys plenty because of the defense he plays. he has knee issues, which is 100% the reason why he sucked today. he was missing so many easy shots, and his backhand was deplorable.

and for the record, they have sped up the clay court a lil at the french.

[GatorKid117]

Guess the courts were a bit quicker this time around, hey? :oldlol:

People seriously need to calm down with this Rafa possible GOAT talk. He could win as many as he wants, and he wouldn't be. Take him for what he is; a great clay court player who happened to win a few titles on the other surfaces before he was figured out a little.
He is close to unbeatable on clay. Incredible stamina, and ability to chase down every shot. But once you get on the quicker courts, its harder to keep that up, and he has to rely more on his opponent missing his shots than him doing anything about it. He plays moonball tennis.

I understand the general point of your post but I think you're selling Rafa short. The only player who has "figured him out" consistently has been Djoko. If it weren't for him, Rafa would have several more hardcourt Slams under his belt.

Plus, the 2008 Wimbledon Final. The "Best Final Ever". Don't see how one just "happens" to win titles with matches like that.

[PK3434]

what were the betting odds on the rafa match?

[Carbine]

-20000 for Nadal and -1600 for the other guy.

So he was a 2000/1 favorite, and the other guy was a 1/160 underdog.

[Carbine]

Guess the courts were a bit quicker this time around, hey? :oldlol:

People seriously need to calm down with this Rafa possible GOAT talk. He could win as many as he wants, and he wouldn't be. Take him for what he is; a great clay court player who happened to win a few titles on the other surfaces before he was figured out a little.
He is close to unbeatable on clay. Incredible stamina, and ability to chase down every shot. But once you get on the quicker courts, its harder to keep that up, and he has to rely more on his opponent missing his shots than him doing anything about it. He plays moonball tennis.

If Rafa wins "as many as he wants" he would most def be the GOAT. If he finishes with 16 or 17 you would have a 50/50 split for Rafa/Roger most likely, if Rafa finishes with more it would be a high majority for Nadal.

Point blank, end of discussion. This loss is no different than losing in a semi....nobody cares who made semi's, only who wins the title.

[plowking]

If Rafa wins "as many as he wants" he would most def be the GOAT. If he finishes with 16 or 17 you would have a 50/50 split for Rafa/Roger most likely, if Rafa finishes with more it would be a high majority for Nadal.

Point blank, end of discussion. This loss is no different than losing in a semi....nobody cares who made semi's, only who wins the title.

This loss most certainly is. He lost in the first round...

No, if he finishes with 17, there won't be a 50/50 split. Hes a player that dominated, and will most likely continue to dominate only one surface. Federer was a more complete player who could win on any court.

[bdreason]

How many potential GOAT's get swept in the 1st round of a Major while in their prime? :roll:

[bdreason]

If Rafa wins "as many as he wants" he would most def be the GOAT. If he finishes with 16 or 17 you would have a 50/50 split for Rafa/Roger most likely, if Rafa finishes with more it would be a high majority for Nadal.

Point blank, end of discussion. This loss is no different than losing in a semi....nobody cares who made semi's, only who wins the title.


This is complete BS. There is a huge difference losing to a top 10 player in the semi's and getting swept in the 1st round by a no-name scrub.

[imdaman99]

injuries happen. you think lebron james could lose to nate robinson in a 1 on 1 if he had no legs? absolutely.

[The_Yearning]

Nadal has had bad knees since 17.

[bdreason]

injuries happen. you think lebron james could lose to nate robinson in a 1 on 1 if he had no legs? absolutely.


Once injuries become frequent, they are no longer an excuse, they are part of a players identity. There have been questions for quite awhile now on whether or not Nadal's body could withstand his physical style of play.

[AirFederer]

Ha ha rafa, I'm loving it :cheers:

[Carbine]

This is complete BS. There is a huge difference losing to a top 10 player in the semi's and getting swept in the 1st round by a no-name scrub.

Not when it comes to who the GOAT is.

GOAT goes almost hand in hand to who WINS the most.

Not who loses in a semi. Or loses in a 1st round.

Sampras lost in the 1st and 2nd round a bunch of times. Nobody cares....there was still a large debate of who the greater player was when Roger was nearing Sampras' record of grand slams....it was only until Roger surpassed and ultimately put distance between them that it has become a vast majority in favor of Fed.

At the end of the day when people judge Nadals career, it will be how many grand slams he has won. If it's too close to call, other things will be used, like H2H record, Davis' cups, Masters titles, gold medals....all of which Nadal holds a very tidy resume.

[Sarcastic]

This first round loss hurts Rafa much much less than 2011 hurts Lebron's legacy.

[The_Yearning]

In Tennis the minor details of how you win, how you lose, and H2H does not matter at all. At the end of the day, how great you are is determined by the amount of GS's you have.

[DuMa]

:facepalm

[bdreason]

In Tennis the minor details of how you win, how you lose, and H2H does not matter at all. At the end of the day, how great you are is determined by the amount of GS's you have.

If Nadal never wins another Major besides the French, he will never be considered the GOAT. I don't care if he wins 10 more French Open's. You can't just show up for clay court season, and be considered the GOAT. :no:

[bdreason]

Also, acting like consistency doesn't matter is ridiculous. Sure, it's mostly about winning Majors, but both Sampras and Federer managed to hold the #1 ranking for YEARS. Federer held the #1 ranking for 237 consecutive weeks (4 1/2 years). The longest Nadal has held the ranking was 56 consecutive weeks, or just over 1 year. Even if you look at total weeks ranked at #1, Federer has a 3 to 1 edge (302 to 102).

[Carbine]

Also, acting like consistency doesn't matter is ridiculous. Sure, it's mostly about winning Majors, but both Sampras and Federer managed to hold the #1 ranking for YEARS. Federer held the #1 ranking for 237 consecutive weeks (4 1/2 years). The longest Nadal has held the ranking was 56 consecutive weeks, or just over 1 year. Even if you look at total weeks ranked at #1, Federer has a 3 to 1 edge (302 to 102).

Nadal has lost his ranking because of injuries, not because of a lack of consistency.




If Nadal never wins another Major besides the French, he will never be considered the GOAT. I don't care if he wins 10 more French Open's. You can't just show up for clay court season, and be considered the GOAT.

It's almost like you're suggesting Nadal sucks on the other courts.

Let's just refresh your memory here:

He has two Wimbledon titles, one of which he beat Roger in his prime.

He has won a title on the hard courts of AUS, beating Roger.

He has a US Open title, beating Novak.

Last I checked, that's a career grand slam - you don't do that unless you're really good on all surfaces.

[bdreason]

Nadal is one of the greatest players to ever play the game... but we're not arguing that. We're arguing GOAT status, for which someone claimed that total number of GS's is all that matters. Let's assume that Nadal manages to reach 17 GS titles (and Fed never wins another one), but never wins another GS outside of France. His resume would consist of 13 French Open titles, and only 4 GS titles on the other surfaces. That means 76% of his GS victories came on clay. Conversely, Roger has 4 Aussie Open titles, 7 Wimbledon titles, 5 U.S. Open titles, and a French Open title... overall, a much more impressive diversity of GS titles.

[Carbine]

A win, is a win, is a win.

I can promise you that regardless of how Nadal gets to 17, when/if it happens you will have a 50/50 split between who takes Fed and who takes Nadal.

You may not like it, or agree with it, but it's true.

[The_Yearning]

If Nadal never wins another Major besides the French, he will never be considered the GOAT. I don't care if he wins 10 more French Open's. You can't just show up for clay court season, and be considered the GOAT. :no:

I agree with your stance and the reason we share this view is because we both come from the basketball world where we look not just at the context, but the enveloping details between the lines as well when determining Top 10/GOAT status.

The majority of the tennis world (critics, big names, etc.) over 70% of them will only look at the career # of majors won and that will dictate who is the GOAT.

Also, what if Roger Federer never won the French open? Not to mention he won the French Open by avoiding Nadal, but nobody remembers that do they? And Roger would still be considered the goat without a FO title.

[plowking]

I agree with your stance and the reason we share this view is because we both come from the basketball world where we look not just at the context, but the enveloping details between the lines as well when determining Top 10/GOAT status.

The majority of the tennis world (critics, big names, etc.) over 70% of them will only look at the career # of majors won and that will dictate who is the GOAT.

Also, what if Roger Federer never won the French open? Not to mention he won the French Open by avoiding Nadal, but nobody remembers that do they? And Roger would still be considered the goat without a FO title.

That's because the second best player by consensus doesn't have a FO title. Sampras never won on clay.

[The_Yearning]

That's because the second best player by consensus doesn't have a FO title. Sampras never won on clay.

Doesn't matter... he's #2 on GS's but Nadal will catch him... even if it's 2 more FO's he'll be above Sampras.

[raiderfan19]

If Rafa wins "as many as he wants" he would most def be the GOAT. If he finishes with 16 or 17 you would have a 50/50 split for Rafa/Roger most likely, if Rafa finishes with more it would be a high majority for Nadal.

Point blank, end of discussion. This loss is no different than losing in a semi....nobody cares who made semi's, only who wins the title.
Not remotely true

[raiderfan19]

I agree with your stance and the reason we share this view is because we both come from the basketball world where we look not just at the context, but the enveloping details between the lines as well when determining Top 10/GOAT status.

The majority of the tennis world (critics, big names, etc.) over 70% of them will only look at the career # of majors won and that will dictate who is the GOAT.

Also, what if Roger Federer never won the French open? Not to mention he won the French Open by avoiding Nadal, but nobody remembers that do they? And Roger would still be considered the goat without a FO title.
You realize fed is arguably the third best clay court player ever right(I personally have him closer to 5th) but you can easily make that argument. Nadal was in the tourney and he lost. Still counts

[The_Yearning]

You realize fed is arguably the third best clay court player ever right(I personally have him closer to 5th) but you can easily make that argument. Nadal was in the tourney and he lost. Still counts

What the hell are you addressing in my post? End of the day, it's the # of slams that matters.

[raiderfan19]

The last paragraph.

Also Id like to hear some non Americans opinions on the number of majors thing. I never remember that being considered as the goat criteria until Sampras started getting close. I mean does anyone consider Emerson the third best player? I just really don't think you can just say someone has x majors and therefore they are automatically they goat. You have to consider eras, surfaces and other things. I mean Borg didn't even play the Australian open most of his career(and he's second to fed on my all time list, though I never saw laver play)

Fed is the goat because he's the best grass court and had court player ever and a top 5 clay court player ever. He's great at everything. Nadal is the clay goat and a top 10 or so grass player and probably top 20 or so on hard courts

[Sarcastic]

Federer is not 3rd best clay courter. Rafa, Borg, Laver, and Lendl are easily ahead. Not even mentioning guys like Kuerten, or Bruguera.

[raiderfan19]

Federer is not 3rd best clay courter. Rafa, Borg, Laver, and Lendl are easily ahead. Not even mentioning guys like Kuerten, or Bruguera.
Rafa and Borg are the only people who are clearly ahead. If there was no nadal(and there wasn't for any of those other guys careers, fed would have 5 or 6 frenchs) To go along with quite a few clay masters

[Sarcastic]

Rafa and Borg are the only people who are clearly ahead. If there was no nadal(and there wasn't for any of those other guys careers, fed would have 5 or 6 frenchs) To go along with quite a few clay masters


Laver and Lendl are ahead.


You can't use the "if not for", because you can go back and say that for anyone. If majors mattered when Laver played, he would destroy everyone in sheer #s.

[raiderfan19]

Like I said I personally have fed 5th or so all time on clay but it's not that crazy to consider fed an all time great clay courter. He holds the record for most consecutive French open finals, semis and quarters

[alenleomessi]

maria kirilenko is banging

[bigkingsfan]

Federer down 1-2. Come on man!

[bdreason]

Not looking good for Fed. Stakhovsky is playing out of his mind right now.

[bdreason]

What a bizarre tourney so far. Rafa, Sharapova, and Azarenka all out in the first two rounds... and it looks like Fed will join them.

[bigkingsfan]

Can't wait for Fed vs Nadal in the quarters.

[alenleomessi]

damn federer lost :(


btw Eugenie Bouchard the girl that beat Ivanovic earlier today is probably the cutest girl i have ever seen in sports

[DuMa]

wow. a serve and volley player. havent seen a player like that in YEARS

[bdreason]

Tsonga, Wozniaki, and Isner also out early. The guy who beat Rafa also pulled out with injury.

[alenleomessi]

Tsonga, Wozniaki, and Isner also out early. The guy who beat Rafa also pulled out with injury.
wow lol
if thats not trolling then i dont know what it is
beat the best player in the world and get the f*ck out of the tournament #myjobdonehere #yolo

[enayes]

It's Djoker's tournament now.

Their in London bro, I think you mean Murray.

[raiderfan19]

It's Djoker's tournament now.
Murray is at least a co favorite on grass. This is djokers worst surface and Murray's best

[enayes]

I wonder if Fed and Nadal have a drink together and laugh about their disappointing Wimbledon :D

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Isn't Roger Federer like the GOAT tennis player ever? What's up with him lately?

Yeah I don't watch tennis often.

[Carbine]

He's basically 32 years old, ancient for a tennis pro....that's whats up with him.

[raiderfan19]

Yeah. He's older than roddick who is already retired. Older than Sampras when Sampras retired. I still stubbornly think he's got one more slam in him sometime in the next year if hes willing to keep playing despite not being the federer anymore. Then again i can see him hanging it up if he becomes just a top ten guy instead of one of the big 3

[The_Yearning]

Djokovic blew it at the FO. Could of won all 4 GS in 1 calendar year.

[DuMa]

yaknow i think there is something wrong with the courts.

[Sarcastic]

yaknow i think there is something wrong with the courts.


Maybe they sped up the grass, and made it the way it was 20+ years ago when you actually had to serve/volley to win, and not just stand on the baseline. Seems like the ball is staying lower this year.

[enayes]

I don't think Murray is really there, yet. But that's just me.

He won a gold medal in the Olympics at Wimbledon last year. He's ready.

[enayes]

Yeah. He's older than roddick who is already retired. Older than Sampras when Sampras retired. I still stubbornly think he's got one more slam in him sometime in the next year if hes willing to keep playing despite not being the federer anymore. Then again i can see him hanging it up if he becomes just a top ten guy instead of one of the big 3

Federer simply loves to play tennis. He will play for at least 3-4 more years.

[raiderfan19]

I still believe Murray got the gold just because he, and his country, just wanted it more than Federer and the Olympics is still not the Grand Slam.

Well, he gotta prove me wrong on this one.
You know Murray won the us open right

[DuMa]

well now im rooting for ferrer's first slam ever :pimp:

[bdreason]

Best bet left is DLP at 8:1 odds. He's already beat Murray once this year pretty convincingly (I watched it live), and he has the firepower to give Djoker a fight as well.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Laura Robson, though

[BurningHammer]

Kimiko Date is still playing? Is she this decade's Navratilova or something?

[bdreason]

This old asian chick is hanging with Serena early. :applause:

[bdreason]

This old asian chick is hanging with Serena early. :applause:


And 10 minutes later it's 6-1 Serena. :oldlol:

[bdreason]

Too soon, bro! 5-2! :oldlol:


Rally caps on!

[bdreason]

Breaking Serena's serve is an accomplishment in itself. She's undoubtedly the greatest server in the history of the sport.

[bigkingsfan]

Ha watching Serena eat grass was great.

[B-Easy8]

Lisicki is talented and gorgeous.

I think Hitler just came in his grave watching that.

[GatorKid117]

Can't believe she missed that gimme half overhead breakpoint down. So unlike her.

[alenleomessi]

so who is the best... looking girl left now? has to be lisicki right? or am i missing someone?

[enayes]

so who is the best... looking girl left now? has to be lisicki right? or am i missing someone?

http://www.wimbledon.com/images/pics/thumbs/m_07_lisicki_173_aeltc_m_hangst.jpg

You sure?

[Brunch@Five]

http://www.wimbledon.com/images/pics/thumbs/m_07_lisicki_173_aeltc_m_hangst.jpg

You sure?

http://cache.boston.com/multimedia/sports/bigshots/011210/bs8.jpg
:biggums:

she can look beautiful though:
https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2331652150/image.jpg

[imdaman99]

http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/d1aFiKTecOg7tEyuJX90NA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTYxMjtweW9mZj0wO3E9OD U7dz00MTY-/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/sports/2013-07-01/6862192e-869c-429f-8d6d-3d83d84bafdc_146648840.jpg

^^^^^ you beat me to the punch, but put a little (or a lot) makeup on her and she aight

[alenleomessi]

i think so far in this tournament from what ive seen bouchard is the cutest and kirilenko the most f*ckable tennis player

sharapova loses points by being too tall and dating an nba scrub

[bdreason]

Watching the 3rd set now. Serena has been up a break twice in this set... crazy to see Serena get her serve broken once in a set, let alone twice.

[gigantes]

i'm not as happy as i thought i'd be to see serena lose. when she's gracious and friendly i have zero problem with her. she seemed to give lisicki full credit this time instead of making the usual lame excuses.


on another note, i finally read the famous "federer as religious experience" article by the late david foster wallace:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/sports/playmagazine/20federer.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


i was never particularly a fed fan, somewhat because he kind of nailed the agassi - sampras era closed with his coming. but i think i get it now... get why so many fans adore him. he took that sign posted in the wimbledon hallways that said 'the power racket era makes all previous tennis obsolete' and he demolished it. nice work, roger!

but, sorry... it's too late for me. the djoker is still my favorite player since agassi is retired. :lol

[raiderfan19]

I dont see how anyone has djoker as a favorite player. He does have the best ground strokes and movement combo ever(after he got on peds)

[Carbine]

I'm probably in the minority, but prime Joker is as good a tennis player as anyone I have ever seen.

[fpliii]

I just started watching tennis freshman year in college (fall of 05, one of my hallmates was a big fan of Federer before he became huge). Still not a hardocre fan, but I watch the hell out of the GS. Fed/Rafa/Djoker all have done absolutely incredible stuff, but I wonder if my frame of reference is skewed because I wasn't watching earlier. Are all three legitimately top tier players (which they seem to be, to me), or are they just so far ahead of the pack that it seems that way?

[dunksby]

i'm not as happy as i thought i'd be to see serena lose. when she's gracious and friendly i have zero problem with her. she seemed to give lisicki full credit this time instead of making the usual lame excuses.


on another note, i finally read the famous "federer as religious experience" article by the late david foster wallace:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/sports/playmagazine/20federer.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


i was never particularly a fed fan, somewhat because he kind of nailed the agassi - sampras era closed with his coming. but i think i get it now... get why so many fans adore him. he took that sign posted in the wimbledon hallways that said 'the power racket era makes all previous tennis obsolete' and he demolished it. nice work, roger!

but, sorry... it's too late for me. the djoker is still my favorite player since agassi is retired. :lol
My sentiments regarding Fed too, I used to be a Sampras fan, still my favorite player is Djoker as well. Mostly because he forced himself on what was going to be a Federer Nadal era.

[raiderfan19]

I'm probably in the minority, but prime Joker is as good a tennis player as anyone I have ever seen.
He's not as good as prime fed(Feds fh was the best shot in tennis history) but yeah the peded up version of djoker is a beast

[bdreason]

Wanted Sloan to win, but Bartoli is also one of my favorite players. Such fire in that one.

[chips93]

is that nemanja vidic up in djokovics box?


del potro up 2 sets to love on david ferrer, despite hurting his knee early in the match. amazing performance, hes practically playing on one leg.

[BurningHammer]

Poor Ferrer.....

[GatorKid117]

So Verdasco have any shot of fastest forehand on tour? The dude has a cannon. Always been a fan of the lefties.

[dunksby]

Murray is helpless against Verdasco's serves.

[dunksby]

lol jinxed it hard :D

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Verdasco just wastes so many opportunities. Might cost him this match.

[bigkingsfan]

Rigged.

[imdaman99]

nice superjinx dunksby :lol

rooting for murray since nadal shit the bed :rockon:

[dunksby]

Can't wait for Novak to demolish this bitch.

[Qwyjibo]

I'll be happy with any of Murray, Janowicz or Del Potro winning this thing.

[alenleomessi]

so a 6'6 vs 6'8 final is possible

damn lol

[Trollsmasher]

Murray just has to lose to someone. The unwritten rule of every grandslam.

Pathetic, crying, tantrum throwing kid that products terrible brand of tennis.

[imdaman99]

Murray just has to lose to someone. The unwritten rule of every grandslam.

Pathetic, crying, tantrum throwing kid that products terrible brand of tennis.
thats true, its not as if he has beaten djoker before in a final... (2012 US OPEN) thanks for playing troll :hammerhead:

[raiderfan19]

So Verdasco have any shot of fastest forehand on tour? The dude has a cannon. Always been a fan of the lefties.
The biggest fh and backhand are both delpo without question(I didn't say best just biggest)

[Carbine]

Del Potro put on the best forehand performance I have ever seen vs. Federer in the US Open.

I haven't seen him since, but if he's back to the point after his injury he has the best and biggest forehand of anyone.

[enayes]

Would love to see Jerzy win but would be pretty surprised if Joker doesn't take this one.

[Trollsmasher]

thats true, its not as if he has beaten djoker before in a final... (2012 US OPEN) thanks for playing troll :hammerhead:
This has nothing to do with what I wrote:hammerhead:

[enayes]

This has nothing to do with what I wrote:hammerhead:

You said the unwritten rule of every grand slam is that Murray loses. But he won the US Open last year. :hammerhead:

Are you still confused?

[dude77]

damn .. I want both bartoli and lisicki to taste grand slam glory .. oh well .. heartbreak for one coming up

[K]

Injuries are no longer holding the true #1 in the world back. :bowdown:

[Trollsmasher]

You said the unwritten rule of every grand slam is that Murray loses. But he won the US Open last year. :hammerhead:

Are you still confused?
You obviously did not understand me. I meant that from my point of view Murray has to lose to make the grandslam good. If he wins, it is bad for tennis.

[gigantes]

if murray wins wimbledon it

[raiderfan19]

Of all the athletes in the world without a positive test for peds, djoker would be in the top 10 most likely to be on them. He went from the worst stamina of any good player on tour(he quit in a grand slam because it was hot) in his early 20s to having more stamina than nadal in his mid 20s. The dude is on something. It's everybit as obvious as it was that bonds was in the early 2000s. Now that being said its entirely possible everyone else is too.

[Carbine]

Or maybe, you know.....he dedicated himself to getting in the best shape.

[DuMa]

i have sabine winning on saturday over bartoli. (again still dont see why womens should get paid the same as the men)

For men's side I also have
del goatro over djoker in 5 sets
murray over jerzy in 3 sets.

then murray over del goatro in 4 sets. it will be a long 4 sets though.
the pressure for murray to win is going to be unbelievable. the crowd has all the expectations in the world.

[gigantes]

Of all the athletes in the world without a positive test for peds, djoker would be in the top 10 most likely to be on them. He went from the worst stamina of any good player on tour(he quit in a grand slam because it was hot) in his early 20s to having more stamina than nadal in his mid 20s. The dude is on something. It's everybit as obvious as it was that bonds was in the early 2000s. Now that being said its entirely possible everyone else is too.
is it also possible that you don't fully understand how radical changes in diet and approach to the game can make the difference between being top five and #1?

here's another question: if you're badly allergic to a common food and you work very hard to cut out every last trace of that in your diet, do you think the result will be more energy or less energy?

think carefully, now.

[enayes]

Djoker's stamina went sky high because he went gluten-free and started sleeping in a hyperbolic chamber. There in no secret here.


My hopeful predictions:

Djokovic over Del Potro: 7-5, 6-3, 7-6

Jerzy over Murray: 6-4, 4-6, 6-3, 7-5

My real predictions:

Djokovic over Del Potro: 7-5, 6-3, 7-6

Murray over Jerzy: 6-4, 6-4, 6-3

[raiderfan19]

Or maybe, you know.....he dedicated himself to getting in the best shape.
Yeah because people just randomly decide to become one of the best endurance athletes in the world.

And no, no matter how much you change your diet, it doesn't effect you to that effect when you were already an elite athlete who was in tremendous shape.

[raiderfan19]

It also doesn't help his case that he has very clearly been against greater testing in tennis and has said that they already test plenty when the subject has been brought up

[gigantes]

Yeah because people just randomly decide to become one of the best endurance athletes in the world.

And no, no matter how much you change your diet, it doesn't effect you to that effect when you were already an elite athlete who was in tremendous shape.
thank you for this burst of new information.

so djokovic has now become one of the best endurance athletes in the world? wow! well, he certainly must be the talk of the international sports press, not to mention all the EPO-hunters and crusaders against blood-doping. perhaps you could do us all a favor and pick out some of the cream of the crop analysis by top writers detailing all this. i'd google it myself but there must be so many thousands of results that a layperson like me could spend hours sifting through them all. so your expertise in this matter would be much appreciated.

also, since you seem to be a nutritionist / scientist with an expert in food allergies and their effects on elite athletes, could you please send along your best references on the matter?

thanks very much for your time!

[alenleomessi]

del potro is beating djoker today

[TheReturn]

How long till they're playing?

[gigantes]

wow... colt

[andremiller07]

Does Djokovic remind anyone of Dwight how they both try to be funny but it's so forced (and not funny) you are embarrassed for them?

[Sumter15]

Does Djokovic remind anyone of Dwight how they both try to be funny but it's so forced (and not funny) you are embarrassed for them?

Ehh, I disagree (with Djoker, not with Dwight), but you're definitely not alone. Djokovic doesn't really seem to try to be funny nowadays, anyway.

[andremiller07]

Ehh, I disagree (with Djoker, not with Dwight), but you're definitely not alone. Djokovic doesn't really seem to try to be funny nowadays, anyway.
I have not really watched tennis that much lately but Djoker use to go out of his way to try be funny and it was just cringe worthy.

[alenleomessi]

del potro looks like russel crow

[TheReturn]

This is over

[enayes]

My 1st and 3rd set predictions were correct. I'll collect my winnings now.

[GatorKid117]

That last forehand....

120mph :eek:

[alenleomessi]

what a game

[TheReturn]

This is over
:D

[alenleomessi]

My 1st and 3rd set predictions were correct. I'll collect my winnings now.
3-0 for djoker huh?! :roll:

[Black Joker]

epic ass match. Djoker finally takes it 7-5, 4-6, 7-6, 6-7, 6-3

[Qwyjibo]

That's a shame.

[DuMa]

:mad: del goatro had the match today. he faltered at the wrong moments :\

incredible how close that match was only for djoke to squeak away and survive.

[enayes]

That last forehand....

120mph :eek:


That was the previous serve. The announcers were joking that it was his forehand. He did have at least one register 100 mph.

[enayes]

3-0 for djoker huh?! :roll:

That's why it's called a prediction. If Del Potro was able to play at this level consistently then I would have expected a match like this out of him. He's a great player but performances like the one he put on today have been rare.

[GatorKid117]

That was the previous serve. The announcers were joking that it was his forehand. He did have at least one register 100 mph.

Haha, ok. I'm watching it in Chinese so I have no clue what the announcers are saying.

Still a mad impressive forehand.

[enayes]

Haha, ok. I'm watching it in Chinese so I have no clue what the announcers are saying.

Still a mad impressive forehand.

Yeah he was ripping that forehand.

[EnoughSaid]

Uh oh. Murray's in trouble. Here we to again.

[enayes]

Djoker's stamina went sky high because he went gluten-free and started sleeping in a hyperbolic chamber. There in no secret here.


My hopeful predictions:

Djokovic over Del Potro: 7-5, 6-3, 7-6

Jerzy over Murray: 6-4, 4-6, 6-3, 7-5

My real predictions:

Djokovic over Del Potro: 7-5, 6-3, 7-6

Murray over Jerzy: 6-4, 6-4, 6-3

Congrats on Murray for pulling out the win today. My prediction was very close.
Murray won 6-7, 6-4, 6-4, 6-3. God I'm good.

[DuMa]

Murray and Djokovic... 3rd Final in the last 4 majors. do we have another Fed/Nadal rivalry?

[enayes]

Murray and Djokovic... 3rd Final in the last 4 majors. do we have another Fed/Nadal rivalry?

Nope, the Federer and Nadal rivalry was and still is epic. Andy and Novak are anything but.

[chips93]

john mcenroe thinks murray will win

and that the game has moved on from federer and nadal, that they arent fast enough to keep up with djokovic/del potro/murray

BBC coverage is all over murrays dick

[gigantes]

and that the game has moved on from federer and nadal, that they arent fast enough to keep up with djokovic/del potro/murray
sounds like mcenroe

[AngelEyes]

What's the average age a tennis player becomes washed up? Its seems like these guys decline at an extremely young age. Federer has been on a downward trend for a while (i think) and what is he 31 or 32. And Nadal just lost well before the final.

[bdreason]

What's the average age a tennis player becomes washed up? Its seems like these guys decline at an extremely young age. Federer has been on a downward trend for a while (i think) and what is he 31 or 32. And Nadal just lost well before the final.


It's actually later now than it ever has been. In the past, when you hit 30, you were considered a senior citizen in the Tennis world. Now, you see some players peaking in their late 20's, and still having success in their early 30's.



And despite the 5 set match, I'll take Djoker on Sunday.

[bdreason]

And McEnroe is right about Nadal and Federer, but for different reasons. Fed has definitely lost a step, and beating some of the younger top players on tour is going to be more challenging each tourney that passes.

Nadal still has plenty of gas in the tank, but I'm starting to wonder if his knees will hold up. Winning 7 matches in a row, in a major, against top level players, playing the physical type of tennis that Rafa does...

As for the Fed vs. Nadal rivalry... that's over. A healthy Nadal will handle old man Fed on pretty much any surface at this point.

[gigantes]

@bdreason,
i totally agree, but that

[chips93]

any of you guys notice bartoli, seemingly after every point, would touch her racket off of the wall behind her.

kinda strange

i hope im not jumping to conclusions, but maybe she has ocd?

[bdreason]

Bartoli has been one of my favorite players for a long time, so it's nice to see her finally win a major.

I don't know if she has OCD, but she's always done lots of weird little things between points. I think it helps her stay focused and motivated.

[Qwyjibo]

Finish it off, Murray.

[alenleomessi]

im watching this on a serbian channel and i love it the commentators are on a suicide watch :roll:

suck it djoker

[GatorKid117]

Congrats to Murray.

[gigantes]

well, i received the gift of weidman winning the belt last night, so must not be greedy.

congrats, muzza... nice to see the UK take back wimbledon, and cool to see andy finally reaching his potential under old stone-face!

not djoker

[DuMa]

amazing improvement from murray in a year. hes made a big improvement in his serve and is playing a lot more attacking tennis compared to his earlier days when he was just pushing the shit back every time.

hes made tremendous strides. congrats to muzza

[DuMa]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/2b824a5ac1137c8ffa923390300d901c/tumblr_mpkw8rMe6D1rjc0yyo1_500.jpg

[imdaman99]

didnt watch, but happy to see djoker lose. i knew only andy murray could beat him, because he had home court.

[enayes]

john mcenroe thinks murray will win

and that the game has moved on from federer and nadal, that they arent fast enough to keep up with djokovic/del potro/murray

BBC coverage is all over murrays dick

:oldlol:

That's got to be a joke. Nadal is the fastest player on the tour.

[veilside23]

i think djoker got tired after the delpotro fight you can see that he was not moving like he was on that match...

[gigantes]

i think djoker got tired after the delpotro fight you can see that he was not moving like he was on that match...
i totally agree, but remember he