If LeBron James wins his third championship next year, where will he rank all-time?

[hawkfan]

When LeBron James wins his third championship next year, where will he rank all-time?

[arifgokcen]

When LeBron James wins his third championship next year, where will he rank all-time?

First of all fix the title "If" not "when"
It depends on how he wins and other accolades.Assuming he wins another MVP and FMVP

3FMVP and 5MVP

Looking back at the rankings he would be ahead of kobe,hakeem,duncan,bird definitely and arguably ahead of wilt and shaq that would make him #5 or[#6 or #7 depending on how you rank shaq and wilt.

behind
Both MJs KAJ and BR.

Please trolls dont answer this is not what i think this is what most people will say.

For example for me bill russelll doesnt belong with those names because offensively he was just average so this is not what i think this is what most people will think

[alenleomessi]

3rd after kareem and mj

[lilgodfather1]

I'd still have KAJ, MJ^2, and possibly Russ, and Wilt ahead of him. From 9 to 6, possibly as high as 4th in one year ain't too shabby. If he wins the MVP as well the that'd be #4 for me. If he were to get DPOY, but no MVP I think i'd put him ahead of Russ, but not Wilt.

DPOY, and MVP, and FMVP, i'd have him as high as #2. That isn't a likely scenario.

[selrahc]

if he wins his third championship he will be number 1 greatest of all time :bowdown:

[fpliii]

It's going to take some monster seasons to get in Jordan's/Russell's class. In theory, anyone else is in play but it's a tough sell.

Depends on which teams Miami goes through and the quality of LeBron's run.

[Fudge]

I'd have him at #4, surpassing Bird.

1. Jordan
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. LeBron
5. Bird

[plowking]

I'd have him at #4, surpassing Bird.

1. Jordan
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. LeBron
5. Bird

Something similar, with maybe Wilt replacing Russell, and KAJ being below Wilt.

[Fresh Kid]

He still won't be in the top 20s

[LongLiveTheKing]

He still won't be in the top 20s
May 2013 :facepalm
Wait wtf? :biggums:

[Lebron23]

Top 3 of all time.

5x NBA MVP, 3x NBA Champion, and 3x Finals MVp

[Inferno]

May 2013 :facepalm
Wait wtf? :biggums:

:roll: :roll:

[Fresh Kid]

May 2013 :facepalm
Wait wtf? :biggums:
You mad Lebron Stan?

[qrich]

#7

[Fresh Kid]

:roll: :roll:
Whats funny Apr 2013?

[LongLiveTheKing]

You mad Lebron Stan?
Heat fan first :banana:
Why would I be mad?

[Mr. Jabbar]

between ray allen and dan crawford

[Fresh Kid]

Top 3 of all time.

5x NBA MVP, 3x NBA Champion, and 3x Finals MVp
From that comment alone I think you need to seek professional help.

[tazb]

If he has another MVP/Chip/FinalsMVP season, :eek:. 5x MVP, 3x Champion, 3x Finals MVP. At worse, #5, at best #2. If he gets these accomplishments, all he will need is another Chip/FinalsMVP + all the longevity stats to be #1 - the GOAT.

5(+)x MVP, 4x Champion, 4x Finals MVP, most likely finish top 5 in scoring and top 5 in assists. :eek:

[Fresh Kid]

between ray allen and dan crawford
You have a point there, I cant disagree.

[Mr. Jabbar]

If he has another MVP/Chip/FinalsMVP season, :eek:. 5x MVP, 3x Champion, 3x Finals MVP. At worse, #5, at best #2. If he gets these accomplishments, all he will need is another Chip/FinalsMVP + all the longevity stats to be #1 - the GOAT.

http://cuddlebuggery.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/free-candy.jpg

[Lebron23]

From that comment alone I think you need to seek professional help.


You need to STFU. LeBron is greater than the Knicks franchise.

[Fresh Kid]

If he has another MVP/Chip/FinalsMVP season, :eek:. 5x MVP, 3x Champion, 3x Finals MVP. At worse, #5, at best #2. If he gets these accomplishments, all he will need is another Chip/FinalsMVP + all the longevity stats to be #1 - the GOAT.
At best number 2? They seriously let demented people like you roam the streets?

[Harison]

10th.

[bdreason]

I have him at #11. That would move him to #9.

[Fresh Kid]

Heat fan first :banana:
Why would I be mad?
Because may 2013 is taking over.

[KyleKong]

May 2013 :facepalm
Wait wtf? :biggums:

LOL

[Lebron23]

I have him at #11. That would move him to #9.

He will have more Finals MVP than Bird, Hakeem, Kobe, and Kareem if he wins his 3rd straight Championships. And at the end of his career he will finish in top 2 in scoring,top 5 assists, and no.1 in playoffs wins. Unlike some of them he was never eliminated in the first round of the playoffs.

[COnDEMnED]

I have him at #11. That would move him to #9.
This. Probably number 10, number 9 is a huge possibility.

[Fresh Kid]

You need to STFU. LeBron is greater than the Knicks franchise.
Another false statement but why bring up the knicks for? I didn't say anything about the knicks

[Lebron23]

Another false statement but why bring up the knicks for? I didn't say anything about the knicks


Cause you are a stupid knicks fanboy. They are not even the best team in New York next season.

[TylerOO]

Top 3 for me

[Fresh Kid]

Cause you are a stupid knicks fanboy. They are not even the best team in New York next season.
You are wrong again sir, the senior citizen nets will not be better then the knicks, but who even said I was a knicks fan in the first place?

[Fresh Kid]

Top 3 for me
Another delusional Stan strikes again I see.

[ILLsmak]

I think his case is good for approaching the top 5. I doubt people will forget his teaming up.

Assuming that didn't happen, if he 3 peats and does 5 MVPs in 6 years (right?) and 3 FMVP in a row... that's amazing.

But since it did happen, you have to at least reserve judgment on him being "GOAT" or "Top 3."

He's a beast tho. Just the fact that he is top 10 now is pretty amazing.

-Smak

[Trollsmasher]

#5 at least (assuming he gets MVP too). Might even place him higher after seeing the manner in which he would do it.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

If LeBron wins 3rd ring next year in a 3peat

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. MJ
4. LeBron James

[dbk123]

#4

but i see him peaking at #2 unless he ends up with 7 rings(which is unlikely)

[kamil]

You need to STFU. LeBron is greater than the Knicks franchise.

LOL, someone is butthurt.

[Kurosawa0]

If LeBron gets #3 that would kill any argument for Larry Bird being ranked over him. I have Bird at #5 behind MJ, Russell, Kareem and Magic. I'd probably slide LeBron into the fifth spot if he gets another ring.

Another ring and MVP? Now we're talking Magic level. Could you imagine winning MVP and 3 championships back to back to back? That'd be up there with any achievement.

[Fresh Kid]

If LeBron wins 3rd ring next year in a 3peat

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. MJ
4. LeBron James
This is downright absurd.

[poido123]

So a guy who knowingly chooses to join a team that is stacked, piles up MVP's on the back of a stacked team, wins 2 championships on the back of a weakened eastern conference is somehow in discussion with the top 5 alltime greats? :wtf:

Since when has he passed a guy like Shaq, who has dominated the game like only Jordan in his peak? Yet we are ready to place Lebron above him.

I know I'm a bit older than some of you guys, but get some perspective into you before you start making such bold predictions such as this...

[Unbiased_one]

So a guy who knowingly chooses to join a team that is stacked, piles up MVP's on the back of a stacked team, wins 2 championships on the back of a weakened eastern conference is somehow in discussion with the top 5 alltime greats? :wtf:

Since when has he passed a guy like Shaq, who has dominated the game like only Jordan in his peak? Yet we are ready to place Lebron above him.

I know I'm a bit older than some of you guys, but get some perspective into you before you start making such bold predictions such as this...

Some people put Kobe above shaq too. People do stupid things.

Shaq=BOAT.

I disagree with the rest of your post. The heat supporting cast wasn't great during this years playoffs, bar a few isolated games. They weren't particularly wonderful last year either.

[poido123]

Some people put Kobe above shaq too. People do stupid things.

Shaq=BOAT.

I disagree with the rest of your post. The heat supporting cast wasn't great during this years playoffs, bar a few isolated games. They weren't particularly wonderful last year either.

He deserved the Mvp's I'm not questioning that. They award it to the player with the best team record and overall play so he had to get it the last few years. If he was back with Cleveland would he be winning as many MVP's? I doubt it.

[PickernRoller]

Barely top 15 jumping into top 7 or 5 - laughable.

Keep on fellas. It's ISH after all. Comedy Gold. Top 13 with another ring.

Jordan
Kareem
Russel
Magic
Bird
Kobe
Duncan
Shaq
Wilt
Hakeem
Logo
Dr. J
Lebron if 3 rings.

[KOBE143]

He will enter the top 50 for sure..

[Crafty]

3 FMVPs, 3 Championships and 4 or 5 RS MVPs? Top 5 max

[chazzy]

Around Shaq

[poido123]

Around Shaq

What I want to know is, why should he be ever ranked above Shaq? Lebron hasn't and probably never will reach the same peak as a Jordan or Shaq, so I don't see why this guy is being placed right near the top 5?

Until someone gives me a good explanation or case, Shaq will always remain above Lebron. Which means he will never reach top 5.

[plowking]

What I want to know is, why should he be ever ranked above Shaq? Lebron hasn't and probably never will reach the same peak as a Jordan or Shaq, so I don't see why this guy is being placed right near the top 5?

Until someone gives me a good explanation or case, Shaq will always remain above Lebron. Which means he will never reach top 5.

So why do we rank Shaq below Jordan. Shaq had a better peak than him too.

[pauk]

That would make his resume look something like:

5 x MVP
3 x FMVP
3 x Champion
8 x 1st All-NBA
6 x 1st All-Defensive
1 x ROTY
10 x All-Star
While being the best player in the NBA for many years....

Compare that to a guy who usually is ranked top 5-6 (Larry Bird):

3 x MVP
2 x FMVP
3 x Champion
9 x 1st All-NBA
1 x ROTY
12 x All-Star

.....and now you may know where Lebron might be headed.... infact Lebrons accolades at this very moment right now is actually pretty comparable / if not better than Birds....

[poido123]

That would make his resume look something like:

5 x MVP
3 x FMVP
3 x Champion
8 x 1st All-NBA
6 x 1st All-Defensive
1 x ROTY
10 x All-Star
While being the best player in the NBA for many years....

Compare that to a guy who usually is ranked top 5-6 (Larry Bird):

3 x MVP
2 x FMVP
3 x Champion
9 x 1st All-NBA
1 x ROTY
12 x All-Star

.....and now you may know where Lebron might be headed....


It really comes down to personal opinion on who you think is better. russell has all the rings in the world, but Jordan is still considered by most to be GOAT.

Rookie of the year? You could call that an achievement, but id hardly use that in judging an alltime great.

Bird is a better player to me, but judging players in different eras is always going to have that element of doubt, no matter which way you look at it.

Bird was a 3 time champion in a stronger era with players who are currently in GOAT lists...How many top 20 alltime players is Lebron playing now in their prime? If you want to count Duncan and KG, both out of their primes, sure. But really, this era lacks the greats. You have Lebron who is top 10 alltime, and then a big tail off. Durant is a tier under but will struggle to be in the top 15 when its all said and done.

[poido123]

So why do we rank Shaq below Jordan. Shaq had a better peak than him too.

Overall body of work, Jordan has the equivalent best peak as Shaq, if not slightly lower. Jordan has more titles, better playoff performer and more clutch.

Lebron has none of those over Shaq, he has more MVP's but he had to join a great team to get as many as he has now.

Top team and one of the top players in the league = MVP's.

[Fresh Kid]

That would make his resume look something like:

5 x MVP
3 x FMVP
3 x Champion
8 x 1st All-NBA
6 x 1st All-Defensive
1 x ROTY
10 x All-Star
While being the best player in the NBA for many years....

Compare that to a guy who usually is ranked top 5-6 (Larry Bird):

3 x MVP
2 x FMVP
3 x Champion
9 x 1st All-NBA
1 x ROTY
12 x All-Star

.....and now you may know where Lebron might be headed.... infact Lebrons accolades at this very moment right now is actually pretty comparable / if not better than Birds....
larry bird had more heart than lebron and won his championship rings the right way.

[plowking]

Overall body of work, Jordan has the equivalent best peak as Shaq, if not slightly lower. Jordan has more titles, better playoff performer and more clutch.

Lebron has none of those over Shaq, he has more MVP's but he had to join a great team to get as many as he has now.

Top team and one of the top players in the league = MVP's.

Of course the body of work on Lebron isn't going to be as good as Shaq. He hasn't played nearly as much.

Lebron's peak is just as good as Jordan and Shaq's in that case.

[poido123]

Of course the body of work on Lebron isn't going to be as good as Shaq. He hasn't played nearly as much.

Lebron's peak is just as good as Jordan and Shaq's in that case.


:roll:

I doubt any player in the next 50 years will reach a peak like Shaq or Jordan. Jordan because of his amazing achievements in playoffs against HOF and top 20 players. Shaq because of his incredible numbers and size/strength that I doubt I'll ever see in my lifetime along with his achievements.

[Fresh Kid]

Of course the body of work on Lebron isn't going to be as good as Shaq. He hasn't played nearly as much.

Lebron's peak is just as good as Jordan and Shaq's in that case.
What a brainwashed victim.

[HurricaneKid]

larry bird had more heart than lebron and won his championship rings the right way.

By playing with 7 HoF?

[thabisyo]

larry bird had more heart than lebron and won his championship rings the right way.

Stop with the bullshit

[SilkkTheShocker]

Anyone that doesn't already have him in the top 10 has an agenda against him. The fact is, he will retire no worse than top 3 on the lis.

[Fresh Kid]

By playing with 7 HoF?
lebron had wade, who on the celtics was on the level of wade?

[poido123]

Anyone that doesn't already have him in the top 10 has an agenda against him. The fact is, he will retire no worse than top 3 on the lis.

You started well, then your statement nosedived. Top 10 is fine.

[Fresh Kid]

Anyone that doesn't already have him in the top 10 has an agenda against him. The fact is, he will retire no worse than top 3 on the lis.
top 25 is more accurate.

[SilkkTheShocker]

top 25 is more accurate.

I don't debate with 2013 trolls. Go peddle that troll bait somewhere else.

[Papaya Petee]

Find me 5 players with better accomplishments then 5x MVP, 3x Champ 3x FMVP. Go ahead. Stop being delusional. You make yourself sound stupid.

[Fresh Kid]

I don't debate with 2013 trolls. Go peddle that troll bait somewhere else.
How am I a troll, I just speak pure truth.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Find me 5 players with better accomplishments then 5x MVP, 3x Champ 3x FMVP. Go ahead. Stop being delusional. You make yourself sound stupid.

There are still posters on here that have him behind Jerry West and Moses Malone :oldlol:

[poido123]

Find me 5 players with better accomplishments then 5x MVP, 3x Champ 3x FMVP. Go ahead. Stop being delusional. You make yourself sound stupid.

If we used that logic, Russell would be clear cut GOAT with his 11 rings...

None of Lebron's titles have been convincing, he has won 3 MVP's playing with a superteam(regular season wins helps get MVP's) and he has one of the worst performances in a finals ever on his resume(2011). Had he not had the luck of Allen hitting that big shot in game 6, his legacy would of been severely dented.

Just sayin.

[alexd]

He sure has the resume and it will keep on building up but to me he can t surpass these players
mj
kareem
rusell
bird
magic
wilt
shaq
dr.j
not because he s less talented or has a worse resume.heck he can even be a better player than mj after its all set and done.who knows.but these players are cult figures.they changed the game.because of them many rules were changed so they can t be so dominant.they are mythical figures that inspired so many people.they made basketball what it is and how we see it today.can you say the same about lebron?maybe we can say that after 10-20 years but now for me not yet.they are the epitome of how we judge a player at their position.i know many of you will bash me for putting drj so high but he owned his era.maybe not in championships etc but in people s heart.everyone admired him and wanted to be him.at that time there was a race war etc and it was profound for white people actually admiring a black person.he just like the other people i ve listed(perhaps execpt shaq but he was so damn dominant)they ve accomplished many things beyond basketball which is something that all the championships in the world can t compare to

[Fresh Kid]

If we used that logic, Russell would be clear cut GOAT with his 11 rings...

None of Lebron's titles have been convincing, he has won 3 MVP's playing with a superteam(regular season wins helps get MVP's) and he has one of the worst performances in a finals ever on his resume(2011). Had he not had the luck of Allen hitting that big shot in game 6, his legacy would of been severely dented.

Just sayin.
Dont forget the luck of poopavich benching parker and duncan at the end of game 6 too.

[Unbiased_one]

If we used that logic, Russell would be clear cut GOAT with his 11 rings...

None of Lebron's titles have been convincing, he has won 3 MVP's playing with a superteam(regular season wins helps get MVP's) and he has one of the worst performances in a finals ever on his resume(2011). Had he not had the luck of Allen hitting that big shot in game 6, his legacy would of been severely dented.

Just sayin.

Every great has been bailed out by their teammates at one point or another. The heat were dire for most of the playoffs.

[poido123]

Every great has been bailed out by their teammates at one point or another. The heat were dire for most of the playoffs.

Well not to that extent.

Allen hit the most clutch shot in NBA history. If that shot missed, Spurs win championship.

Do you remember jordan ever getting bailed out like that in an elimination game or go missing in playoffs? Do you remember Shaq, Bird or Magic going missing in key playoff games?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Well not to that extent.

Allen hit the most clutch shot in NBA history. If that shot missed, Spurs win championship.

Do you remember jordan ever getting bailed out like that in an elimination game or go missing in playoffs? Do you remember Shaq, Bird or Magic going missing in key playoff games?

Shaq has been swept 6 different times in the playoffs, Bird has lost as the favorite multiple times, and the Tragic Johnson Finals. You really let your LeBron hate get into your head.

[Doranku]

Well considering there will actually be other good teams in the Eastern Conference next year (barring injuries), threepeating in next year's season would move him up quite a bit, IMO.

1. Jordan
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Shaq/Duncan/Bron
6. Shaq/Duncan/Bron
7. Shaq/Duncan/Bron
8. Bird
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem

So anywhere from 5-7. He will eventually pass Shaq and Duncan most likely, but if he were to retire or suffer a career ending injury or something after threepeating next year then it would still be an argument.

[poido123]

Shaq has been swept 6 different times in the playoffs, Bird has lost as the favorite multiple times, and the Tragic Johnson Finals. You really let your LeBron hate get into your head.

:roll:

Shaq in the playoffs was very good. Prime Shaq never disappointed and doesn't have a 2011 on his resume.

Bird played against real competition, HOF's and top 20 players and of course Magic for most of his career. He always showed up in the playoffs.

The tragic johnson finals, was against the formidable Celtics in which they battled each other over a 4 or 5 year span. These two teams were littered with greats, and its hardly a knock on Magic to fail against one of the greatest teams in NBA history, however he did produce big games all the way through and won a championship or two in the process.

What all time greats is Lebron currently playing against? Particularly in playoffs? Or are we going to count an out of prime KG and Duncan? :roll:

Silk, nice try. :pimp:

[livingby3's]

do we watch basketball for basketball or heroball. Yes Allen did save the team from a downfall and a loss, but is that not why the Heat bring in Allen. you build your team around your best player, with other players who contrast his game.

[LikeABosh]

Assuming he also wins the FMVP and another MVP and or DPOY he will be top 5 easily

[DaSeba5]

I can't fathom how you some of you don't have LeBron in your top 11. Too much agenda on ISH. With another ring, he has top 5-7 potential.

[poido123]

I can't fathom how you some of you don't have LeBron in your top 11. Too much agenda on ISH. With another ring, he has top 5-7 potential.

Ehhh, I can live with that. But I'd squeeze that more to 6-7 when it's all said and done.

After much thinking, I think Magic is the only guy I could see Lebron moving past in that top 6 or 7. The rest I don't feel he will. But I'm sure people on ISH will push the hardware argument, disregarding if Lebron's Peak is better than any of those guys in front of him.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I can't fathom how you some of you don't have LeBron in your top 11. Too much agenda on ISH. With another ring, he has top 5-7 potential.

I don't know how some don't already have him over guys like Hakeem, Jerry West, Wilt, etc. 4x MVPs, 2x Finals MVPs, ROY, one of the best defenders at his position in NBA history, etc.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I can't fathom how you some of you don't have LeBron in your top 11. Too much agenda on ISH. With another ring, he has top 5-7 potential.
That's actually being modest, the only players to lead a team to a three peat post Bill Russell are: MJ, Shaq, and if he did it ... LeBron. That's ridiculous company.

If he manages to add any of the following awards to his resume next season, whether it be another MVP, DPOY, Finals MVP he moves up even more. Especially if he gets a 5th MVP by only the age of 29 (absurd) and a DPOY award.

If LeBron then in turns leads Miami to a 4-peat, the first one ever in the modern era, even without an additional 6th MVP, he's solidly in the top five. I don't see how anyone could rank anyone not named Jordan, or depending on the view point and obsession with rings, Russell, above him.

LeBron will have matched and exceeded everyone else on an individual level, and be right there with them from a rings (team) perspective.

[DaSeba5]

I don't know how some don't already have him over guys like Hakeem, Jerry West, Wilt, etc. 4x MVPs, 2x Finals MVPs, ROY, one of the best defenders at his position in NBA history, etc.

Plus he's only 28. That's amazing.

[SilkkTheShocker]

People are extremely reluctant on this board to move LeBron ahead of Hakeem for the most part.

[DaSeba5]

That's actually being modest, the only players to lead a team to a three peat post Bill Russell are: MJ, Shaq, and if he did it ... LeBron. That's ridiculous company.

If he manages to add any of the following awards to his resume next season, whether it be another MVP, DPOY, Finals MVP he moves up even more. Especially if he gets a 5th MVP by only the age of 29 (absurd) and a DPOY award.

If LeBron then in turns leads Miami to a 4-peat, the first one ever in the modern era, even without an additional 6th MVP, he's solidly in the top five. I don't see how anyone could rank anyone not named Jordan, or depending on the view point and obsession with rings, Russell, above him.

LeBron will have matched and exceeded everyone else on an individual level, and be right there with them from a rings (team) perspective.

It's very possible. I expect him to finish at least in the top 5 either way.

[livinglegend]

If he wins 3rd ring,
1. Russell
2. MJ
3. KAJ
4. Lebron

[livinglegend]

If we used that logic, Russell would be clear cut GOAT with his 11 rings...

None of Lebron's titles have been convincing, he has won 3 MVP's playing with a superteam(regular season wins helps get MVP's) and he has one of the worst performances in a finals ever on his resume(2011). Had he not had the luck of Allen hitting that big shot in game 6, his legacy would of been severely dented.

Just sayin.

He is.....

[poido123]

It's very possible. I expect him to finish at least in the top 5 either way.

Are we pushing the achievements ahead of the actual player at hand here?

Or have we already forgotten how great Shaq's peak is, Bird's Peak, Jordan's Peak etc etc.

We can't overlook 2011, and we can't overlook last year's escape or how he came about joining a superteam. These are the harsh facts. His achievements don't accurately reflect his body of work or how dominant he has been.

Something to keep in mind, what great players has Lebron played in this era? How many HOF's or top 20 players? Apart from a couple of out of prime HOF's he really hasn't had the same competition.

:confusedshrug:

[SamuraiSWISH]

People are extremely reluctant on this board to move LeBron ahead of Hakeem for the most part.
Which LeBron has already surpassed from a resume perspective. It just takes awhile in this cynical age to acknowledge the obvious and move some one up on the all time charts. It's like it needs to be constantly validated and rammed home until everyone believes it. In MJ's day, by his first ring people were willing to accept the OBVIOUS.

LeBron's INSANE resume at only 28 years old, with still many years of great basketball ahead of him makes it obvious he's going to climb the charts. Think about how young he is and all that he's already accomplished? I don't see any 2 year retirement / sabbaticals to go play baseball, football, hockey, lacrosse, either. So the future looks bright indeed for him.

The people un-willing to advance Bron are staunch LeBron haters, and Laker / Kobe stans. Alarming too considering his accolades, and now team success and still being in the prime of his career, at the still relatively young age of 28.

People acted like after he won this year's MVP and Championship he JUST entered (maybe) the top 11. When in actuality with this year's MVP and championship he very well may have booted Kobe out the top ten and IMO moved up to around the number 7 spot.

If one wants to argue LeBron is not an actual better player than Hakeem of 1994 and 1995, I can see the argument. Especially given the competition he faced those seasons. At his position he faced basically all the best elite HOF caliber centers in both '94 and '95. For the most part slaughtered them too, Shaq included.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Which LeBron has already surpassed from a resume perspective. It just takes awhile in this cynical age to acknowledge the obvious and move some one up on the all time charts. It's like it needs to be constantly validated and rammed home until everyone believes it. In MJ's day, by his first ring people were willing to accept the OBVIOUS.

LeBron's INSANE resume at only 28 years old, with still many years of great basketball ahead of him makes it obvious he's going to climb the charts. Think about how young he is and all that he's already accomplished? I don't see any 2 year retirement / sabbaticals to go play baseball, football, hockey, lacrosse, either. So the future looks bright indeed for him.

The people un-willing to advance Bron are staunch LeBron haters, and Laker / Kobe stans. Alarming too considering his accolades, and now team success and still being in the prime of his career, at the still relatively young age of 28.

People acted like after he won this year's MVP and Championship he JUST entered (maybe) the top 11. When in actuality with this year's MVP and championship he very well may have booted Kobe out the top ten and IMO moved up to around the number 7 spot.

If one wants to argue LeBron is not an actual better player than Hakeem of 1994 and 1995, I can see the argument. Especially given the competition he faced those seasons. At his position he faced basically all the best elite HOF caliber centers in both '94 and '95. For the most part slaughtered them too, Shaq included.

:cheers:

[SamuraiSWISH]

:cheers:
Agreed, we still have to disagree elsewhere. Bron still isn't as good as Jordan. That dude at his peak was insane. Like a melting pot of Kobe, Wade, and VC rolled into one player.

LeBron as I've maintained since around 2008 was headed to be the best player since Mike, quite easily. It's his ability to pass the ball, selfless nature that made him unique. A player with the basketball genetic code of all that came before him.

[poido123]

Agreed, we still have to disagree elsewhere. Bron still isn't as good as Jordan. That dude at his peak was insane. Like a melting pot of Kobe, Wade, and VC rolled into one player. LeBron as I've maintained since around 2008 was headed to be the best player since Mike, quite easily. It's his ability to pass the ball, and become a different breed of player that made him unique.

I agree with most things that you say, but I think your playing the nice guy card in this thread a bit.

Have a read of some of the things I wrote above and tell me exactly why Lebron would be pushing into the top 6 alltime?

[LBJ 23]

Which LeBron has already surpassed from a resume perspective. It just takes awhile in this cynical age to acknowledge the obvious and move some one up on the all time charts. It's like it needs to be constantly validated and rammed home until everyone believes it. In MJ's day, by his first ring people were willing to accept the OBVIOUS.

LeBron's INSANE resume at only 28 years old, with still many years of great basketball ahead of him makes it obvious he's going to climb the charts. Think about how young he is and all that he's already accomplished? I don't see any 2 year retirement / sabbaticals to go play baseball, football, hockey, lacrosse, either. So the future looks bright indeed for him.

The people un-willing to advance Bron are staunch LeBron haters, and Laker / Kobe stans. Alarming too considering his accolades, and now team success and still being in the prime of his career, at the still relatively young age of 28.

People acted like after he won this year's MVP and Championship he JUST entered (maybe) the top 11. When in actuality with this year's MVP and championship he very well may have booted Kobe out the top ten and IMO moved up to around the number 7 spot.

If one wants to argue LeBron is not an actual better player than Hakeem of 1994 and 1995, I can see the argument. Especially given the competition he faced those seasons. At his position he faced basically all the best elite HOF caliber centers in both '94 and '95. For the most part slaughtered them too, Shaq included.


What the hell is wrong with you? One month you are the biggest Lebron hater on here, next month the biggest Lebron D*ckrider. Repeating this bi-polar sh*t again and again.

[poido123]

What the hell is wrong with you? One month you are the biggest Lebron hater on here, next month the biggest Lebron D*ckrider. Repeating this bi-polar sh*t again and again.

I think he might be bi-polar too.

[Dengness9]

People are extremely reluctant on this board to move LeBron ahead of Hakeem for the most part.


With good reason. Hakeem is a once in a lifetime talent like Lebron in his own way.

[Dengness9]

That's actually being modest, the only players to lead a team to a three peat post Bill Russell are: MJ, Shaq, and if he did it ... LeBron. That's ridiculous company.

If he manages to add any of the following awards to his resume next season, whether it be another MVP, DPOY, Finals MVP he moves up even more. Especially if he gets a 5th MVP by only the age of 29 (absurd) and a DPOY award.

If LeBron then in turns leads Miami to a 4-peat, the first one ever in the modern era, even without an additional 6th MVP, he's solidly in the top five. I don't see how anyone could rank anyone not named Jordan, or depending on the view point and obsession with rings, Russell, above him.

LeBron will have matched and exceeded everyone else on an individual level, and be right there with them from a rings (team) perspective.


Mentioning lebron winning a 4th is a little ahead of ourselves seeing as winning his 3rd will be the toughest since he choked against Dallas.

Hopefully Lebron's main competition, teams like Bulls in the east and OKC in the West wont lose their best player/s due to season ending injury.

The East didnt even have 3 50 win teams last season....PATHETIC competition

If the Pacers beat the Heat, that would have been one of the worst NBA finals teams in a long time.

[Derka]

If he does, I think "three peat" on any r

[SamuraiSWISH]

What the hell is wrong with you? One month you are the biggest Lebron hater on here, next month the biggest Lebron D*ckrider. Repeating this bi-polar sh*t again and again.
I'm just honest in my assessments. There is the fan hat and the objective hat . To a simpleton who feels you have to stick to a certain strict, hard headed assessment of a player and not have your opinion evolve as history unfolds then yes you could consider me bipolar.

[RRR3]

The obsession with championships is so ****ing retarded. People are acting like just winning a ring makes you go up x places in some imaginary list. But how is LeBron winning this hypothetical ring? Is he injured for most of the playoffs and only plays a few games in the finals? How much is that ring "worth", then? To me, it should be about how you play if we're ranking players individually. If LeBron had played great in the 2011 finals and the Heat had lost, I don't think it would have meant anything. But he played terribly. If they had won, would that have made up for it? No! He still would have played like crap, assuming he didn't completely dominate in games 6 and 7 in this hypothetical scenario. Why don't you just rank players on how good they actually were? It makes so much more ****ing sense, but it's obviously harder, because who here saw all these players on the GOAT list play? Of players usually ranked about top 10 or so, I have only seen LBJ, past prime Shaq, Kobe, and Wizards MJ. And I only really got into the NBA a few years ago, I was a casual fan before that. So I no longer try to do these rankings because I wouldn't know shit about it anyways.


From what I know though, I'm not sure how LeBron could pass these players individually:
MJ
Wilt
Kareem
Shaq


They put up some incredible numbers, but again I didn't see them play (except Shaq and he was older). Still, guys like Wilt and Kareem were putting up like 35/20 AND dominating on defense? That's crazy, how do you pass that?

[RRR3]

I'm just honest in my assessments. There is the fan hat and the objective hat . To a simpleton who feels you have to stick to a certain strict, hard headed assessment of a player and not have your opinion evolve as history unfolds then yes you could consider me bipolar.
What about the "witches hat"? Or is that only for Deron Williams?




















































:D

[poido123]

I'm just honest in my assessments. There is the fan hat and the objective hat . To a simpleton who feels you have to stick to a certain strict, hard headed assessment of a player and not have your opinion evolve as history unfolds then yes you could consider me bipolar.

I think you've lost your mind. That's what I think.

For a guy who apparently loves and has watched Jordan, how can you seriously rate this guy high enough to break the top 6 alltime, when he will likely never have a greater peak than Shaq?

Again, are you dismissing 2011 like it never happened? Allen saving Lebron's ass against the Spurs? How about Lebron actually playing against some top 20 alltime players in their prime?

Maybe this is just a feeble attempt to gain "respect" among the Heat fans, because you clearly are overlooking some important facts here too.

[SpecialQue]

15, depending on if he gets FMVP. If he doesn't, 20.

[DMV2]

You know LeBron's one of the greatest now if people are already setting an extremely high standard for him to succeed.

I mean, a possible 3-peat, 3 straight F-MVP, and 5 MVP in 6 years, all awhile averaging 26+/7+/8+ isn't good enough to be Top 10 then I don't know what is.

Oh, but...but...but he plays with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.

This arguments has become of the most retarded statements now, especially when you consider 4 of the All-Time Top 10 played with a fellow Top 10 GOAT. Magic got all 5 of his rings with KAJ, and KAJ got 5 of his 6 rings with Magic. Both are easily in Top 5 in most people's lists. Then you got Shaq and Kobe, winning 3 together.

All of their rings are 100% earned. But LeBron with Wade and Bosh must be devalued somehow. :oldlol:

[DMV2]

I think you've lost your mind. That's what I think.

For a guy who apparently loves and has watched Jordan, how can you seriously rate this guy high enough to break the top 6 alltime, when he will likely never have a greater peak than Shaq?

Again, are you dismissing 2011 like it never happened? Allen saving Lebron's ass against the Spurs? How about Lebron actually playing against some top 20 alltime players in their prime?

Maybe this is just a feeble attempt to gain "respect" among the Heat fans, because you clearly are overlooking some important facts here too.
Nobody's gonna care about the 2011 Finals or Allen "saving his ass" anymore if he gets a 3-peat.

Are we not crediting LeBron for the other 47.5 minutes of the game?

I don't see people saying Horry saved Shaq and Kobe's ass when he made that 3 to tie their series up with the Kings. Or how much the refs helped them in Game 6.

Reality >>>> "what if's"

[Doranku]

You know LeBron's one of the greatest now if people are already setting an extremely high standard for him to succeed.

I mean, a possible 3-peat, 3 straight F-MVP, and 5 MVP in 6 years, all awhile averaging 26+/7+/8+ isn't good enough to be Top 10 then I don't know what is.

Oh, but...but...but he plays with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.

This arguments has become of the most retarded statements now, especially when you consider 4 of the All-Time Top 10 played with a fellow Top 10 GOAT. Magic got all 5 of his rings with KAJ, and KAJ got 5 of his 6 rings with Magic. Both are easily in Top 5 in most people's lists. Then you got Shaq and Kobe, winning 3 together.

All of their rings are 100% earned. But LeBron with Wade and Bosh must be devalued somehow. :oldlol:

Relative to the rest of their respective leagues, LeBron/Wade/Bosh is the most stacked team of all time. That's why they're devalued.

KAJ/Magic and Bird/Mchale/Parrish had to go through each other
Kobe/Shaq and Duncan had to go through each other
Jordan had to go through Magic/Barkley/Ewing/Shaq/Malone
Russell and Wilt had to go through each other

...

LeBron had to go through Brandon Jennings, Nate Robinson, Paul George, and a 37 year old Duncan while playing alongside two other all-stars :oldlol:

[DMV2]

Relative to the rest of their respective leagues, LeBron/Wade/Bosh is the most stacked team of all time. That's why they're devalued.

KAJ/Magic and Bird/Mchale/Parrish had to go through each other
Kobe/Shaq and Duncan had to go through each other
Jordan had to go through Magic/Barkley/Ewing/Shaq/Malone
Russell and Wilt had to go through each other

...

LeBron had to go through Brandon Jennings, Nate Robinson, Paul George, and a 37 year old Duncan while playing alongside two other all-stars :oldlol:
I'll give you the Eras and competition argument but the Wade/Bosh part is still retarded. That's almost like saying Wade and Bosh >>>> KAJ.

LeBron/Wade/Bosh and the Heat are a stacked team compared to the rest of the league. That's a given. All-time? Nowhere close to the 80's Celtics and Lakers.

Era and competition is the only thing anybody can argue against LeBron at the moment. But arguing about which era is weaker than another is subjective, not reality. LeBron's reality with rings, MVPs, average stats, impact, etc...he measures up with the GOATs. He just needs to get a couple more rings, MVPs and boosts up his total stats to get into All-Time Top 5.

[poido123]

Nobody's gonna care about the 2011 Finals or Allen "saving his ass" anymore if he gets a 3-peat.

Are we not crediting LeBron for the other 47.5 minutes of the game?

I don't see people saying Horry saved Shaq and Kobe's ass when he made that 3 to tie their series up with the Kings. Or how much the refs helped them in Game 6.

Reality >>>> "what if's"

The knowledgeable fans who know a thing or two will take that into consideration. You can't expect to be put in a GOAT list, without being dominant. And by dominant I don't mean 2011 disappearing acts or joining up with his competition or having someone hit the clutchest shot in history to save his ass and win him the championship.

If Ray Allen's shot missed, Spurs would be champions. No overtime, no game 7, its over. Media would be crucifying Lebron and his poor peformance for the finals, keeping in mind he wouldnt of had that game 7 that he had.

[sc19]

Top 3. It's amazing how Ray Allen's shot dictated that. :bowdown:

[Dengness9]

I think you've lost your mind. That's what I think.

For a guy who apparently loves and has watched Jordan, how can you seriously rate this guy high enough to break the top 6 alltime, when he will likely never have a greater peak than Shaq?

Again, are you dismissing 2011 like it never happened? Allen saving Lebron's ass against the Spurs? How about Lebron actually playing against some top 20 alltime players in their prime?

Maybe this is just a feeble attempt to gain "respect" among the Heat fans, because you clearly are overlooking some important facts here too.


I appreciate Swish a lot, i can respect his opinion but you have voiced how i feel as well

:applause:

[poido123]

Relative to the rest of their respective leagues, LeBron/Wade/Bosh is the most stacked team of all time. That's why they're devalued.

KAJ/Magic and Bird/Mchale/Parrish had to go through each other
Kobe/Shaq and Duncan had to go through each other
Jordan had to go through Magic/Barkley/Ewing/Shaq/Malone
Russell and Wilt had to go through each other

...

LeBron had to go through Brandon Jennings, Nate Robinson, Paul George, and a 37 year old Duncan while playing alongside two other all-stars :oldlol:


You nailed it. :applause:

I was trying to say this in a round about way earlier...

[Unbiased_one]

The obsession with championships is so ****ing retarded. People are acting like just winning a ring makes you go up x places in some imaginary list. But how is LeBron winning this hypothetical ring? Is he injured for most of the playoffs and only plays a few games in the finals? How much is that ring "worth", then? To me, it should be about how you play if we're ranking players individually. If LeBron had played great in the 2011 finals and the Heat had lost, I don't think it would have meant anything. But he played terribly. If they had won, would that have made up for it? No! He still would have played like crap, assuming he didn't completely dominate in games 6 and 7 in this hypothetical scenario. Why don't you just rank players on how good they actually were? It makes so much more ****ing sense, but it's obviously harder, because who here saw all these players on the GOAT list play? Of players usually ranked about top 10 or so, I have only seen LBJ, past prime Shaq, Kobe, and Wizards MJ. And I only really got into the NBA a few years ago, I was a casual fan before that. So I no longer try to do these rankings because I wouldn't know shit about it anyways.


From what I know though, I'm not sure how LeBron could pass these players individually:
MJ
Wilt
Kareem
Shaq


They put up some incredible numbers, but again I didn't see them play (except Shaq and he was older). Still, guys like Wilt and Kareem were putting up like 35/20 AND dominating on defense? That's crazy, how do you pass that?

The game has changed. Wilt and Kareem wouldn't be putting up those numbers if they had played 20 years later. Put shaq back then and he would kill everyone. But I agree with you. All of those 4 had their weaknesses though...so I could see lebron passing them if he did something truly spectacular in the rest of his career. But it would really have to be amazing.

[poido123]

I appreciate Swish a lot, i can respect his opinion but you have voiced how i feel as well

:applause:

I usually do too. Maybe he will snap out of it :oldlol:

[DMV2]

The knowledgeable fans who know a thing or two will take that into consideration. You can't expect to be put in a GOAT list, without being dominant. And by dominant I don't mean 2011 disappearing acts or joining up with his competition or having someone hit the clutchest shot in history to save his ass and win him the championship.

If Ray Allen's shot missed, Spurs would be champions. No overtime, no game 7, its over. Media would be crucifying Lebron and his poor peformance for the finals, keeping in mind he wouldnt of had that game 7 that he had.
You can't win the Allen shot argument because that's circumstantial. Not reality. Shot went in, and guess what he's not the only role player who had made a clutch shot to help his superstar teammate.

I never heard anybody calling how Kobe's 2004 Finals after he won his 2009 ring and F-MVP. In fact, most people already had him in the Top 10 because of the first 3 he had with Shaq.

I just find it crazy that LeBron is placed under a much more microscopic criticism than the rest of the all-time greats. So to me, that says how great of a player LeBRon really is.

[LBJ 23]

For a guy who apparently loves and has watched Jordan, how can you seriously rate this guy high enough to break the top 6 alltime, when he will likely never have a greater peak than Shaq?

I think I've read somewhere that he was 4 years old during first Jordan's 3peat. Reading his posts you would think that he was atleast 15 when he started following Jordan with a bit higher intellectual ability.


Again, are you dismissing 2011 like it never happened?

This is your only legit argument


Allen saving Lebron's ass against the Spurs?

Retarded argument.


How about Lebron actually playing against some top 20 alltime players in their prime?

Well, it's not Lebron's fault that so many good players got injured. You can't blame him for that. But if you look at it from another perspective, why is Lebron not going against another top 10 player of all time? It's actually because of his existence. If there was no Lebron in the league Durant may very well be climbing to his top 10 or top 5 all time status with possibly 2 titles(if Westbrook doesn't get injured) and very likely with 2 MVP's already and he's only what 24 or 25 years old?

So, it's actually Lebron's dominance right now which is preventing other potential top 10 players from getting the needed accolades.

[LBJ 23]

LeBron had to go through Brandon Jennings, Nate Robinson, Paul George, and a 37 year old Duncan while playing alongside two other all-stars :oldlol:

And last year he beat Durant with 2 other all-stars playing beside him(Durant). And much more easier than 37 old Duncan and his teammates, strange isn't it? :lol

[poido123]

You can't win the Allen shot argument because that's circumstantial. Not reality. Shot went in, and guess what he's not the only role player who had made a clutch shot to help his superstar teammate.

I never heard anybody calling how Kobe's 2004 Finals after he won his 2009 ring and F-MVP. In fact, most people already had him in the Top 10 because of the first 3 he had with Shaq.

I just find it crazy that LeBron is placed under a much more microscopic criticism than the rest of the all-time greats. So to me, that says how great of a player LeBRon really is.

I think you're confusing that with a whirlwind of Kobe fans and people who dislike the Heat into one big shitstorm of hate and then it creates thread upon thread. When we are talking "great", we a re talking an alltime great, but not greater than the top 6 greats as it stands.

The Heat's escape in that game 6 was a one in a 100 year occurence. Greatest shot in history, against a team that would never choke away a 5 point lead with 30 seconds to go. Heat would have more chance of winning the Lotto, than expecting that to happen again in their favour. You can't compare that to any other situation, it just shouldn't of happened and Lebron escaped a barrage of criticism, because up to that point he was pretty ordinary in the finals. Media would of matched it up with his 2011 finals and said his legacy is forever tainted...

[poido123]

I think I've read somewhere that he was 4 years old during first Jordan's 3peat. Reading his posts you would think that he was atleast 15 when he started following Jordan with a bit higher intellectual ability.



This is your only legit argument



Retarded argument.



Well, it's not Lebron's fault that so many good players got injured. You can't blame him for that. But if you look at it from another perspective, why is Lebron not going against another top 10 player of all time? It's actually because of his existence. If there was no Lebron in the league Durant may very well be to his top 10 or top 5 all time status with possibly 2 titles(if Westbrook doesn't get injured) and very likely with 2 MVP's already and he's only what 24 or 25 years old?

So, it's actually Lebron's dominance right now which is preventing other potential top 10 players from getting the needed accolades.


Well it kind of matters, when he and the team has been tested by teams that have no hall of famers or alltime greats in their prime. Yes, it does matter that he is playing inferior competition and it does matter that his peak is not on the level of the Shaq's or the Jordan's. You're resume deserves to hold far more weight if you had beaten and played against the best the game has seen.

Doranku's post explains it best.

[riseagainst]

top 10 if he does next year.

[BigTicket]

I'd put him at #5 alltime if he leads Miami to a championship next year.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I think I've read somewhere that he was 4 years old during first Jordan's 3peat. Reading his posts you would think that he was atleast 15 when he started following Jordan with a bit higher intellectual ability.
Maybe I'm not following you correctly but are you insinuating I have a slightly higher intelligence level than a 4 year old? Lol ...

My earliest memories of the game came when I was 4 ... Around '89. I was age 6 through 9 during MJs first three peat. Do you not believe I witnessed and comprehended Jordans greatness at that age or something?

[poido123]

And last year he beat Durant with 2 other all-stars playing beside him(Durant). And much more easier than 37 old Duncan and his teammates, strange isn't it? :lol

The overall OKC team was fairly weak, bad matchup and inexperienced.

What you said here doesn't address how weak Lebron's pathway has been up to this point. On top of that he has struggled and they aren't even teams with HOF's or alltime greats :facepalm

[LBJ 23]

Well it kind of matters, when he and the team has been tested by teams that have no hall of famers or alltime greats in their prime. Yes, it does matter that he is playing inferior competition and it does matter that his peak is not on the level of the Shaq's or the Jordan's. You're resume deserves to hold far more weight if you had beaten and played against the best the game has seen.

Doranku's post explains it best.


What part of ''Durant may very well be one of the best players the game has ever seen'' if there was no Lebron right now, who is preventing him winning important accolades to go along with his incredible play, is not clear to you?

Durant just had an incredible regular season for a perimeter player which was completely overshadowed by Lebron's season which was even better.

[Lakers2877]

He's gonna at worst finish 2nd or 3rd all time

[beastee]

A three peat would put him in pretty rare company. Top 8 to 9 if he wins MVP & FMVP as well. Then he would just need one more championship before he retires to be top 5. I just can't put him Before Magic, Bird, Shaq quite yet.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Depends on how he plays/ does he win another mvp, fmvp etc?

[talkingconch]

probably 8-11

poor finals performances/tainted legacy

[fragokota]

between ray allen and dan crawford
:lol :lol :lol

[leMVP]

top 5.

[Fresh Kid]

probably 8-11

poor finals performances/tainted legacy
dont forget decision 2010 too.

[2010splash]

Obviously top 3 unless you're a lunatic. He could win MVP as well, giving him 5 MVPs and 3 titles, 3 Finals MVPs and a 3-peat. Puts him right on par with Kareem and Wilt and only behind Jordan. Kobe had far more help and much worse Finals performances and most people have him in the top 10.

[Doranku]

And last year he beat Durant with 2 other all-stars playing beside him(Durant). And much more easier than 37 old Duncan and his teammates, strange isn't it? :lol

Harden wasn't an all-star last year and the way he played certainly confirmed that.

Brooks is an awful coach and the Thunder team in general was very young and inexperienced. Miami is also a terrible match-up for the Thunder as the Thunder are basically Miami lite.

[Wally450]

I agree with the 8-11 range. I think he's already somewhere in the 12-20 range. Another chip with FMVP and is can grab MVP during the season, I don't see him lower than 11.

[TheReal Kendall]

Haven't this been discussed already:facepalm

[PJR]

Here are the number of players who have won more MVP's than LeBron James.

Kareem Abdul Jabaar
Bill Russel
Michael Jordan


That's it. :roll: :roll:

LeBron has 4 near unanimous MVP's, and Back to Back titles/Finals MVP in 10 seasons. And he's on pace to damn near destroy every fastest/youngest to milestone that there is. Rank him wherever you will. I personally do not give two shits about ranking players across different era's. But he's going to be on that Mt. Rushmore of NBA Legends. It's not even a question.

[Lakers2877]

Obviously top 3 unless you're a lunatic. He could win MVP as well, giving him 5 MVPs and 3 titles, 3 Finals MVPs and a 3-peat. Puts him right on par with Kareem and Wilt and only behind Jordan. Kobe had far more help and much worse Finals performances and most people have him in the top 10.
I'm just curious. Why would you even mention Kobe? What does this question or thread have to do with him?

[poido123]

What part of ''Durant may very well be one of the best players the game has ever seen'' if there was no Lebron right now, who is preventing him winning important accolades to go along with his incredible play, is not clear to you?

Durant just had an incredible regular season for a perimeter player which was completely overshadowed by Lebron's season which was even better.

Really good player, but I'd take 15 alltime greats at least before Durant. I would be undermining Durant's achievements too, because this era is just not anything like what wev'e had from years past.

Durant is basically the only guy you mention. He's in the West? Who else has Lebron got who is an alltime great right now? Other than Wade who is already in his team :lol No one in the east is on that level, when you look at the 80's and 90's, it is littered with in their prime HOF's and top 20 players.

[Fresh Kid]

I'm just curious. Why would you even mention Kobe? What does this question or thread have to do with him?
Lebron stans have nothing else better to do.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Top five... a 4th title w/ high-level impact AND he's at LEAST top three.

[Fresh Kid]

Top five... a 4th title w/ high-level impact AND he's at LEAST top three.
Dont make me chuckle.

[Lebron23]

Top 4-5

If he wins another Finals MVP, and Regular Season MVP.


5x NBA MVP
3x Finals MVP
Great all around numbers in the regular season, and in the playoffs.

I think Lebron would average 30 or more ppg in his next finals appearance.

[NumberSix]

I'd have him at #4, surpassing Bird.

1. Jordan
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. LeBron
5. Bird
Da fcuk is Russell doing above LeBron and Bird doe? :confusedshrug:

[sportjames23]

He still ain't touching Magic, Bird, Wilt, Russell, Kareem or Shaq, much less MJ.

[coin24]

Top 4-5

If he wins another Finals MVP, and Regular Season MVP.


5x NBA MVP
3x Finals MVP
Great all around numbers in the regular season, and in the playoffs.

I think Lebron would average 30 or more ppg in his next finals appearance.

Not sure if serious:lol :lol

As good as he's been I don't think he moves up until we see what he does without wade/bosh/stacked heat..
It's hard for people to look past the ring chasing in the prime thing..

[Alan Ogg]

Probably in the top 5 for me. Behind MJ, Kareem, Magic, and Russell. This thread is giving no love to Magic. That's IF he can pull it off this year. He's floating around in my 7~9 spot right now.

[riseagainst]

he'll finally crack top 20.

[Element]

7-9

Kobe/Duncan range

[r15mohd]

[/B]

Not sure if serious:lol :lol

As good as he's been I don't think he moves up until we see what he does without wade/bosh/stacked heat..
It's hard for me to look past the ring chasing in the prime thing..

fixed.

don't speak for the vast majority who's already dismissed this stupid notion. :no:

[DMAVS41]

He'd be on the Duncan/KAJ level for me. My top 10 would probably be;

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Magic
4. Duncan
5. KAJ
6. Lebron
7. Wilt
8. Bird
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem

[Solefade]

He still ain't touching Magic, Bird, Wilt, Russell, Kareem or Shaq, much less MJ.

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/degauss/gifs/yeah-ok.gif

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Around where I currently rank Larry Bird. 5-7 ish.

[Quickening]

He'd be on the Duncan/KAJ level for me. My top 10 would probably be;

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Magic
4. Duncan
5. KAJ
6. Lebron
7. Wilt
8. Bird
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem

This.

[NLZ]

Top 4-5

If he wins another Finals MVP, and Regular Season MVP.


5x NBA MVP
3x Finals MVP
Great all around numbers in the regular season, and in the playoffs.

I think Lebron would average 30 or more ppg in his next finals appearance.
You've posted the same thing 4 times in this thread, you're nuts.

[aj1987]

He'd be on the Duncan/KAJ level for me. My top 10 would probably be;

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Magic
4. Duncan
5. KAJ
6. Lebron
7. Wilt
8. Bird
9. Shaq
10. Hakeem
Bird and Duncan over Shaq and Hakeem over Kobe? :biggums:

[DMAVS41]

Bird and Duncan over Shaq and Hakeem over Kobe? :biggums:

Yes...it's my list.

But you really need to educate yourself if you think ranking Hakeem over Kobe is controversial. :lol

[kamil]

When LeBron James wins his third championship next year, where will he rank all-time?

He'll go down as the great basketball player of all time at his age with three major asterisks.

[KingBeasley08]

Top 6 or 7. Maybe Top 5

[talkingconch]

Hes not top 5 lol

top 10 for sure probably 7-9

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Yes...it's my list.

But you really need to educate yourself if you think ranking Hakeem over Kobe is controversial. :lol
I also have Hakeem over Kobe.

Right now:

1. Jordan
2. Russell
3. Jabbar
4. Chamberlain
5. Shaq
6. Bird
7. Magic
8. Duncan
9. James
10. Olajuwon

[DaSeba5]

People have him in the top 10 already, so 4 MVPs and 3 titles, I would say 7-9 range. He would have to pass somebody at 7-9 (which would include Shaq, Duncan and Kobe). That means I put him over Kobe.

[RagaZ]

Not even Top 10.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

People have him in the top 10 already, so 4 MVPs and 3 titles, I would say 7-9 range. He would have to pass somebody at 7-9 (which would include Shaq, Duncan and Kobe). That means I put him over Kobe.
He's going to win another MVP this year. Like 90% chance.

[DaSeba5]

He's going to win another MVP this year. Like 90% chance.

We'll see. They may get tired of giving it to him.

[Hoopz2332]

lebron going into top 7 for sure if he gets another title this years with finals mvp. If gets the reg season MVP with it that would

2012- reg season MVP, title and finals MVP

2013- reg season MVP, title and finals MVP

2014 - reg season MVP, title and finals MVP

.............a god level three year stretch not seen before:eek:

you can throw in 4 straight finals and olympic gold with that

[scm5]

We'll see. They may get tired of giving it to him.

I'm fairly certain Lebron will get it the way he's playing. However, I would argue Durant is more "valuable" to his team right now.

Lebron has so much help whereas Durant's wingman is having a terrible season.

[aj1987]

Yes...it's my list.

But you really need to educate yourself if you think ranking Hakeem over Kobe is controversial. :lol
You must've not seen too many Lakers games. Kobe has the better stats and accolades. It's not like Kobe isn't skilled either. The guy's one of the most skilled players EVER. Hakeem edges him out on the defensive end though.

[grantz]

back to back to back MVP/Chip/FMVP wow. Solid argument for top 5. If he does it 4 in a row top 3.

I don't even like the guy.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

We'll see. They may get tired of giving it to him.
I don't think voter fatigue will be a problem. Too much backlash nowadays with social media etc.. Look at that guy who voted for Melo last year. Dude got so much hate.

[pauk]

If he gets another MVP and Championship/FMVP that will give him 5 mvps, 3 fmvps, 3 rings.... it will be very hard to not rank him #6 behind Jordan, Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Magic.... its not just because of the accolades but also because of everything else (milestones, productions, domination, peak etc.) during his years and those mvp/championship runs...

[DMAVS41]

You must've not seen too many Lakers games. Kobe has the better stats and accolades. It's not like Kobe isn't skilled either. The guy's one of the most skilled players EVER. Hakeem edges him out on the defensive end though.

I'm fine with someone ranking Kobe higher...I just disagree with it. And you laughing at me taking Hakeem just implies ignorance.

Kobe definitely does not have better stats though;

Regular season

26/5/5 vs 22/11/3

Playoffs

26/5/5 vs 26/11/3

Hakeem beats Kobe in both regular season and playoff PER as well. So it's fine to take Kobe, but don't laugh off Hakeem...or claim Kobe has better stats. That is just factually false.

[DMAVS41]

If he gets another MVP and Championship/FMVP that will give him 5 mvps, 3 fmvps, 3 rings.... it will be very hard to not rank him #6 behind Jordan, Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Magic.... its not just because of the accolades but also because of everything else (milestones, productions, domination, peak etc.) during his years and those mvp/championship runs...

I'll still have Duncan ever so slightly ahead of him...but that would mainly be due to longevity.

[I.R.Beast]

when he wins outside of miami is when the real ranking of lebron begins

[SpecialQue]

11

[russwest0]

when he wins outside of miami is when the real ranking of lebron begins

Agreed. Any great could win with that stacked ass supporting cast and favorable officiating.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Top 8 imo. He jumps Hakeem and Kobe and is just behind Duncan or perhaps even tied with him..

[b1imtf]

Behind Scalabrine.