is it me or does KObe even with 5 rings have...

[Hoopz2332]

no real signature playoffs moments or signature games that make you go:eek: ? I swear, dude doesn't have any real memorable games to speak of.

[TylerOO]

I have to agree. I guess the shot against the Suns is like the highlight of his playoff life. But I think they lost that series because he quit in game 7.

[imdaman99]

are you kidding me? have you ever seen a western conference finals game? he dominated the spurs all those years after the spurs were the defending champs. and guess what, the spurs had bruce bowen. he had game winning shots over and over against them :facepalm stupid lebron stans :roll:

[TylerOO]

are you kidding me? have you ever seen a western conference finals game? he dominated the spurs all those years after the spurs were the defending champs. and guess what, the spurs had bruce bowen. he had game winning shots over and over against them :facepalm stupid lebron stans :roll:

Sorry bruh. No one remembers those.

[tazb]

Agreed. Said this multiple times before. I'm sure he has at least one during his playoff career. I doubt he has any big moments in the Finals like LeBron has though, I'm guessing his legendary 6-24 game? :facepalm

[L8kersfan222]

Sorry bruh. No one remembers those.

We remember your "I give up on Lebron" thread.

[TylerOO]

We remember your "I give up on Lebron" thread.

So what you're saying is I've done more memorable things than Kobe Bryant in the playoffs?

:banana: :cheers:

[Mr. Jabbar]

better than a ray allen 3 for his signature playoff moment :roll:

[noob cake]

no real signature playoffs moments or signature games that make you go:eek: ? I swear, dude doesn't have any real memorable games to speak of.

That is because Kobe actually has 1.5* championships. You can't have signature playoff moments/games being carried by Shaq for 3 ships and Pau for 1 ship.

[imnew09]

When Shaq fouled out, Kobe took over and won the game. Game winning shots against the Suns, screwing the Spurs. Averaged 32.1 points in 2003 despite having prime Shaq. Those are just top of my head :bowdown: :bowdown:



Sorry bruh. No one remembers those.



I'm pretty sure you remember Lebron's zero point in the fourth quarter against the Dallas; hence, " I give up on Lebron." :oldlol: :oldlol:

[TylerOO]

When Shaq fouled out, Kobe took over and won the game. Game winning shots against the Suns, screwing the Spurs. Averaged 32.1 points in 2003 despite having prime Shaq. :bowdown: :bowdown:






I'm pretty sure you remember Lebron's zero point in the fourth quarter against the Dallas; hence, " I give up on Lebron." :oldlol: :oldlol:

Ofcourse I remember that. Those were the darkest days of my life.

[Mr. Jabbar]

I have to agree. I guess the shot against the Suns is like the highlight of his playoff life. But I think they lost that series because he quit in game 7.

dont bite kobes hand just yet, you may find youself bandwagoning him in the near future given your history

[TylerOO]

dont bite kobes hand just yet, you may find youself bandwagoning him in the near future given your history

Nah, LeBron got a taste of victory and he loves it. We aint got no worries.

[L8kersfan222]

Top moments in NBA playoff history

1. Jordan flu game
2. TylerOO ISH breakdown

[Soundwave]

The game 7 vs. the Blazers and the pass to Shaq is pretty memorable I guess. Though that might be more of a Shaq moment.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Top moments in NBA playoff history

1. Jordan flu game
2. TylerOO ISH breakdown

:oldlol:

may I add pauks lion essay after kobe blocked lebron twice...

also, tyler00's quit & then climb back on the bandwagon perfectly portrays miami fans on game 6, worst fan-base embarrassment in nba history

[SamuraiSWISH]

:oldlol:

may I add pauks lion essay after kobe blocked lebron twice...

also, tyler00's quit & then climb back on the bandwagon perfectly portrays miami fans on game 6, worst fan-base embarrassment in nba history
LeBron fans jumping off his wagon in this year's Finals the second he hit a rough patch. They probably see themselves in LeBron, the same way he jumped off the wagon in Cleveland the second the going got tough. Some loyal fans, heh? Front runners just like LeBron's Yankee, Cowboys, Jordan's Bulls loving ass.

:facepalm

[thabisyo]

Agreed. Said this multiple times before. I'm sure he has at least one during his playoff career. I doubt he has any big moments in the Finals like LeBron has though, I'm guessing his legendary 6-24 game? :facepalm


:lol

[AintNoSunshine]

Maybe his lob pass to Shaq against Portland? But yea if you really think about it it's pretty sad.

[Jacks3]

Yeah, 5 rings. Unbelievably depressing.

[Micku]

The game 7 vs. the Blazers and the pass to Shaq is pretty memorable I guess. Though that might be more of a Shaq moment.

Kobe taking over in the 2000 Finals in game 4 I think is pretty memorable. Shaq was out due to foul trouble and Kobe took over in OT.

The Kobe game winner with the Suns is pretty memorable as ppl mention, but he lost that series. Same with Kobe game tying shot with the Pistons in the 2004 Finals, but they got spanked in that series.

That's about it I can remember out of the top of my head.

[Hoopz2332]

are you kidding me? have you ever seen a western conference finals game? he dominated the spurs all those years after the spurs were the defending champs. and guess what, the spurs had bruce bowen. he had game winning shots over and over against them :facepalm stupid lebron stans :roll:


Noone brings up those games when talking about unforgettable moments in playoff history:coleman:

[YAWN]

That run against arguably the 2 best teams in the league in the 2001 playoffs was pretty nuts.

35/9/4 VS Kings in Semis (including the 48/16 game to clinch the series)
33/7/7 VS Spurs in WCF (opened up with 45/10 in game 1)

[Alan Ogg]

For sure the shot against the Suns.

[LEFT4DEAD]

That run against arguably the 2 best teams in the league in the 2001 playoffs was pretty nuts.

35/9/4 VS Kings in Semis (including the 48/16 game to clinch the series)
33/7/7 VS Spurs in WCF (opened up with 45/10 in game 1)
This. Those two are the most memorable for me. He was straight up ballin' in those series.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

So you bring up the Kings series... the one handed to them by the refs :lol


I guess Kobe has had legendary moments, if you count regular season games against the raptors

[3LiftHeatCurse]

For sure the shot against the Suns.

Problem is, Kobe then quit in game 7 and they lost the series....

[LEFT4DEAD]

So you bring up the Kings series... the one handed to them by the refs :lol

I agree that refs gave them that win, but that has nothing to do with Kobe putting down great numbers.

[uber]

The insecurity of the Lebron stans on this board is really overwhelming :facepalm

[KobesFinger]

So you bring up the Kings series... the one handed to them by the refs :lol


I guess Kobe has had legendary moments, if you count regular season games against the raptors

2001 wasn't rigged though

[havoc33]

No, of course.. Kobe has no great playoff moments, lol :oldlol: Maybe I shouldn't blame you, since most of you were still in kindergarden back in the 2000s. A quick recap:

- Gamewinner vs Suns in 2000 playoffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teIq5v0tTnY

- Game 4 takeover in the 2000 Finals vs Pacers. 28 points (8 in OT) on a bum ankle, Shaq fouled out in the 3rd quarter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Lp5aQq4zI

- 48 and 45 pts back to back vs the Kings and Spurs in the 2001 Playoffs, as Kobe stormed through the first three rounds putting up spectacular numbers. Prompted Shaq to call Kobe the best basketball player in the league by far. Ron Harper and Horace Grant started calling Kobe "23", as a reference to their former teammate MJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkvpnmAk2xU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpArN4LbTI0

- Kobe kills the Spurs again. Comes up with the spectacular gamewinner vs the Spurs in Game 4 in the 2002 WCSF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWPWvJ2wr44

- sticks 42 pts on the San Antonio Spurs in the WCSF after flying back from court hearings in Colorado
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjr2kNQVbXg

- Gametying 3pts shot vs the Pistons in the 2004 Finals (although this was a poor series by Kobe overall)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvo_ca9cTjk

- back to back buzzer beaters at the end of regulation and overtime vs the Suns in the 2006 Playoffs, as the 8th seeded Lakers shock the Suns in the 1st round
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TE3tUy6UMY

- Kobe with one his most sick playoff games ever, hitting big shot after big shot, scorching the Suns for 50 points vs the Suns in Game 6 of the 2006 Playoffs. If not for a lucky bounce and desperation three by Tim Thomas, the Lakers would have pulled off the major upset.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3_hXqEAfwg

- scorches the Nuggets in the 2008 Playoffs for 49 pts and 10 ast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRa3QXoppJ0

- Finishes off a great Spurs team in Game 5 2008 WCF with 39 pts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRa3QXoppJ0

- Kobe with the dagger 3pt shot in JR Smiths face to cap a memorable 41 point night in a must win situation vs the Nuggets in the 2009 WCF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35qSSlWpfFY

- Kobe with his own version of MJ's switch of hands layup vs Dwight Howard in the 2009 Finals to cap off a stellar series
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jamZf5u5jCw

- Kobe goes unconscious and hits impossible shots to finish off the Suns in the 2010 WCF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsEg7NG3WIo


And this is not to mention all the big plays and dunks that have been made throughout the years. Off top of my head; game saving block on Sabonis in Game 3 in the 2000 WCF, soaring facial on Smiths in the 2000 Finals, back to back facials on Duncan in the 2002 Playoffs, dunk on McCullogh in the 2002 Finals, two monster slams on Nash and Tim Thomas 2006 Playoffs, Kobe going into NBA2K mode vs the Jazz in 2008 Playoffs (off the backboard dunk), Kobe scoring 19 points in the 3rd quarter of Game 5 in the 2010 Finals, Kobe hopping into the time machine and absolutely crushing it on Emeka Okafor in the 2011 Playoffs. This is just a small sample of what I can remember, I'm sure there's much, much more...

But yeah, Kobe is such a scrub, nothing memorable to find here.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

I agree that refs gave them that win, but that has nothing to do with Kobe putting down great numbers.

What? Refs control how the kings players played defense by calling bogus calls. they also let kobe get away with murder, like elbowing bibby in the face and then calling a foul on bibby for it.


how many free throws did kobe get? you gotta count them as bogus.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

No, of course.. Kobe has no great playoff moments, lol :oldlol: Maybe I shouldn't blame you, since most of you were still in kindergarden back in the 2000s. A quick recap:

- Gamewinner vs Suns in 2000 playoffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teIq5v0tTnY

- Game 4 takeover in the 2000 Finals vs Pacers. 28 points (8 in OT) on a bum ankle, Shaq fouled out in the 3rd quarter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Lp5aQq4zI

- 48 and 45 pts back to back vs the Kings and Spurs in the 2001 Playoffs, as Kobe stormed through the first three rounds putting up spectacular numbers. Prompted Shaq to call Kobe the best basketball player in the league by far. Ron Harper and Horace Grant started calling Kobe "23", as a reference to their former teammate MJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkvpnmAk2xU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpArN4LbTI0

- Kobe kills the Spurs again. Comes up with the spectacular gamewinner vs the Spurs in Game 4 in the 2002 WCSF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWPWvJ2wr44

- sticks 42 pts on the San Antonio Spurs in the WCSF after flying back from court hearings in Colorado
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjr2kNQVbXg

- Gametying 3pts shot vs the Pistons in the 2004 Finals (although this was a poor series by Kobe overall)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvo_ca9cTjk

- back to back buzzer beaters at the end of regulation and overtime vs the Suns in the 2006 Playoffs, as the 8th seeded Lakers shock the Suns in the 1st round
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TE3tUy6UMY

- Kobe with one his most sick playoff games ever, hitting big shot after big shot, scorching the Suns for 50 points vs the Suns in Game 6 of the 2006 Playoffs. If not for a lucky bounce and desperation three by Tim Thomas, the Lakers would have pulled off the major upset.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3_hXqEAfwg

- scorches the Nuggets in the 2008 Playoffs for 49 pts and 10 ast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRa3QXoppJ0

- Finishes off a great Spurs team in Game 5 2008 WCF with 39 pts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRa3QXoppJ0

- Kobe with the dagger 3pt shot in JR Smiths face to cap a memorable 41 point night in a must win situation vs the Nuggets in the 2009 WCF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35qSSlWpfFY

- Kobe with his own version of MJ's switch of hands layup vs Dwight Howard in the 2009 Finals to cap off a stellar series
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jamZf5u5jCw

- Kobe goes unconscious and hits impossible shots to finish off the Suns in the 2010 WCF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsEg7NG3WIo


And this is not to mention all the big plays and dunks that have been made throughout the years. Off top of my head; game saving block on Sabonis in Game 3 in the 2000 WCF, soaring facial on Smiths in the 2000 Finals, back to back facials on Duncan in the 2002 Playoffs, dunk on McCullogh in the 2002 Finals, two monster slams on Nash and Tim Thomas 2006 Playoffs, Kobe going into NBA2K mode vs the Jazz in 2008 Playoffs (off the backboard dunk), Kobe scoring 19 points in the 3rd quarter of Game 5 in the 2010 Finals, Kobe hopping into the time machine and absolutely crushing it on Emeka Okafor in the 2011 Playoffs. This is just a small sample of what I can remember, I'm sure there's much, much more...

But yeah, Kobe is such a scrub, nothing memorable to find here.

Think you don't understand the meaning of legendary moments.

[havoc33]

Think you don't understand the meaning of legendary moments.I think you better read what the OP was asking one more time. Signature games, memorable moments... yeah, there you go.

And gamewinners in 2000 vs Suns, OT performance in Finals without Shaq, back to back 48 and 45 pts vs the Kings and Spurs (both much better teams than your boy Lebron faced for most of his career in the weak East btw), putback vs Spurs in 2002, dagger three against Nuggets in 2009, crazy shots against Suns in 2010 and pat on the back on Alvin Gentry are indeed stuff of legends. If anyone else than Kobe did this I'm sure you would think so too. HATER.

[Hoopz2332]

I think you better read what the OP was asking one more time. Signature games, memorable moments... yeah, there you go.

And gamewinners in 2000 vs Suns, OT performance in Finals without Shaq, back to back 48 and 45 pts vs the Kings and Spurs (both much better teams than your boy Lebron faced for most of his career in the weak East btw), putback vs Spurs in 2002, dagger three against Nuggets in 2009, crazy shots against Suns in 2010 and pat on the back on Alvin Gentry are indeed stuff of legends. If anyone else than Kobe did this I'm sure you would think so too. HATER.


Im sorry but none of the videos you posted are mentioned when people bring up all time classic/memorable playoff moments.

[Breezy]

His signature moments are from 2 series where he lost so they kind of are forgotten but the 3 against the Pistons in game 2 and the Buzzer beater against the Suns.

The problem is that we compare him to Jordan who has like 50 insane playoff moments but that's not really fair because even the other all time greats don't have all that many.

Magic - Baby hook vs. boston.
Turn around 3 pointer vs. Boston
Game 6 vs. Phily.

Larry - The steal
Game 7 vs. Nique

Kareem - Seriously I can't think of one.

Wilt - Wilt is remembered for playoff failures

Russel - I'm out of my depth here. Mostly just shitting on the Lakers for a decade

Duncan - 3 pointer vs. Suns
Near quadruple double in clinching game vs. New york.

[The-Legend-24]

ISH never disappoints. :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

What's Kobe's memorable finals game? Seriously. What?

[Andrei89]

Kobe 6-24 is memorable.

Then he proceeds on stealing rebounds from his teammates and holding the ball so he gets intentionally fouled.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[havoc33]

Im sorry but none of the videos you posted are mentioned when people bring up all time classic/memorable playoff moments.so that is why the 2001 games, buzzer beaters vs Suns in 06 is shown on ESPN classic the whole time? Right. And how Kobe carried the Lakers in OT in '00 was by everyone at the time considered his breakout party, and I don't see how this moment has suddenly diminished. Did you even watch basketball back then?

Since you don't deem any of these classic playoff moments, I'm really curious, what would you consider Lebron's? Shaq's? Duncan's? These are the only other players from the last two decades that have won multiple titles as the main guy on their teams.

[Trollsmasher]

I agree with tazb about

THE 6-24 GAME

There were few different good ones, but this has been the most memorable.

[pegasus]

better than a ray allen 3 for his signature playoff moment :roll:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[BoutPractice]

Larry - The steal
Game 7 vs. Nique

Kareem - Seriously I can't think of one.


Larry also has the turnaround jumper over Magic, and the famous play where he rebounded his own shot.

Kareem has the game winner against the Celtics.

Hakeem has the famous dreamshake play symbolizing his dominance of Robinson, and the block over John Starks in 1994.

For Kobe, it's probably the alley oop to Shaq and the gamewinner against the Suns. But if we're talking about memorable games in general, all of his playoff accomplishments will no doubt be overshadowed by his 81 point game and 62 points in 3 quarters (:eek:). The problem with Kobe is that he's had such epic regular season games that his best playoff moments seem less memorable in comparison.

For LeBron, I guess it'll be the Pistons takeover, the Magic gamewinner, the Celtics "evil glare" game, the headband game and the game 7 dagger.

[havoc33]

His signature moments are from 2 series where he lost so they kind of are forgotten but the 3 against the Pistons in game 2 and the Buzzer beater against the Suns.

The problem is that we compare him to Jordan who has like 50 insane playoff moments but that's not really fair because even the other all time greats don't have all that many.See, now you are touching on a very important subject. You have to remember that MJ came up during a time where people more often than not wanted the stars to succeed, and the hype surrounding Jordan was unprecedented. In today's society we are just as happy seeing superstars fail, and spend much of our time trying to tear them down. The times are just totally different. Let's not forget that one of MJ's most famous and talked about Playoff moments even today, is his 63 points against the Celtics. The Bulls not only lost this series, but they actually lost the game itself as well. If Kobe did this, they would hold it against him. But somehow we view MJ differently, and put his 63 pts in a losing game, losing series up on a pedestal as a crowning achievement. Don't you see the hypocrisy here?

Look, MJ had more crazy playoff moments than anyone else, I'm not disputing that, that's also why he's the GOAT. But give credit where credit is due. Kobe's 2001 run, buzzer beaters vs Suns are all very memorable, which is why they are continuously shown in highlight reels and look backs on ESPN classic.

EDIT: how could I forget about crossover on Pip and oop to Shaq. The very definition of a memorable moment.

[Peter Pang]

For LeBron, I guess it'll be the Pistons takeover, the Magic gamewinner, the Celtics "evil glare" game, the headband game and the game 7 dagger.

Do not forget the Cramp Game.

I personally will add the multiple ridiculous comeback against Bulls in 2011, so many huge plays, force to overtime and game winner

[havoc33]

Do not forget the Cramp Game.

I personally will add the multiple ridiculous comeback against Bulls in 2011, so many huge plays, force to overtime and game winner
Just as I'm facing resistance with my personal favorite Kobe playoff moments, I'm not so sure people will list your two Lebron moments in 10 years time either. Then a new ignorant generation will come up, discrediting Lebron's achievements. And so it goes..

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Kobe 6-24 is memorable.

Then he proceeds on stealing rebounds from his teammates and holding the ball so he gets intentionally fouled.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Don't forget the Trademark "Kobe Face" when a camera is pointed at him

http://thesportsbrareports.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/kobes-game-face.jpg

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Just as I'm facing resistance with my personal favorite Kobe playoff moments, I'm not so sure people will list your two Lebron moments in 10 years time either. Then a new ignorant generation will come up, discrediting Lebron's achievements. And so it goes..

LeBron's clutch dagger in the final 30 seconds of an NBA Finals game 7 is legendary, so we will remember it :)

[Breezy]

See, now you are touching on a very important subject. You have to remember that MJ came up during a time where people more often than not wanted the stars to succeed, and the hype surrounding Jordan was unprecedented. In today's society we are just as happy seeing superstars fail, and spend much of our time trying to tear them down. The times are just totally different. Let's not forget that one of MJ's most famous and talked about Playoff moments even today, is his 63 points against the Celtics. The Bulls not only lost this series, but they actually lost the game itself as well. If Kobe did this, they would hold it against him. But somehow we view MJ differently, and put his 63 pts in a losing game, losing series up on a pedestal as a crowning achievement. Don't you see the hypocrisy here?

Look, MJ had more crazy playoff moments than anyone else, I'm not disputing that, that's also why he's the GOAT. But give credit where credit is due. Kobe's 2001 run, buzzer beaters vs Suns are all very memorable, which is why they are continuously shown in highlight reels and look backs on ESPN classic.

EDIT: how could I forget about crossover on Pip and oop to Shaq. The very definition of a memorable moment.

That's a narrative that exists only in your head. Not in reality.

- The NBA culture is much more star oriented today than it ever has been before. Jordan came up in just the opposite era. The league is star oriented (to it's detriment) now BECAUSE of Jordan, not in spite of him.

- Jordan's most famous playoff game is not the 63 points, it's game 6 against Utah. Or possibly the Shot vs. Cleveland.

- The 63 is only significant because it's an all time record. If Kobe had broken it later in the same circumstances it would be held up in just the same way. He scored 81 in a meaningless regular season game in January and the whole sports world was declaring him the best ever until the playoffs when they regained their sanity.

- I am giving credit where credit is due. I think Kobe's has 2 legit moments that the average fan holds up as signature. His "2001 run" while nice is hardly memorable. As a matter of fact outside of hardcore fans I don't think Ive ever heard anyone bring it up.

The lack of playoff moments do not discredit Kobe's legitimacy. Wilt Chamberlain who I think is considered superior in the average fans eye is known more for his Playoff injuries and failures than his successes. (even if that might not be fair)

[3LiftHeatCurse]

I'd also like to add, the 81pt game was vs the raptors in the regular season who had historically atrocious defense that year. He was being guarded by an old washed up Jalen Rose, who couldn't play good defense even when he was younger.

Most players sit and don't stat pad. When Wade was scoring out of his mind back in the post-shaq years, there were games where Wade simply sat on the bench and didn't stat pad to try and break any scoring record. This goes for LeBron too.


AND LASTLY - I'd also like to mention that 2006 was a fluke year for Kobe due to the NBA using a new composite basketball for that year. Kobe really liked it.

It was removed because players complained about how it felt, but scoring was up all over the league due to it.

"Our players' response to this particular composite ball has been consistently negative, and we are acting accordingly," Stern said. "Although testing performed by Spalding and the NBA demonstrated that the new composite basketball was more consistent than leather, and statistically there has been an improvement in shooting, scoring and ball-related turnovers, the most important statistic is the view of our players."

[Doctor Rivers]

I'd also like to add, the 81pt game was vs the raptors in the regular season who had historically atrocious defense that year. He was being guarded by an old washed up Jalen Rose, who couldn't play good defense even when he was younger.

Most players sit and don't stat pad. When Wade was scoring out of his mind back in the post-shaq years, there were games where Wade simply sat on the bench and didn't stat pad to try and break any scoring record. This goes for LeBron too.


AND LASTLY - I'd also like to mention that 2006 was a fluke year for Kobe due to the NBA using a new composite basketball. Scoring all around the NBA was up that year due to it. The ball was removed the next season.

I'd also like to mention that you're a awful and classless poster.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

I'd also like to mention that you're a awful and classless poster.

Cry me a river Celtic fan. Go back to watching Patriots games, the boston garden will go back to being empty like it used to be pre-2008, bandwagon fans.

[Scholar]

Sorry bruh. No one remembers those.

That's because you started watching basketball after The Decision, jizz face.

[Scholar]

Cry me a river Celtic fan. Go back to watching Patriots games, the boston garden will go back to being empty like it used to be pre-2008, bandwagon fans.

And what happens when LeBron leaves in 2014, Mr. Classless Heat bandwagoner?

[3LiftHeatCurse]

And what happens when LeBron leaves in 2014, Mr. Classless Heat bandwagoner?

He won't leave, but if he does, I get to enjoy Dwyane Wade again until he hangs it up. I miss Wade as alpha dog. LeBron's game is not as aesthetic or exciting. I'll get to enjoy Wade/Bosh (has repeated himself a thousand times that he never wants to leave Miami and will retire here) two man show until Three rides off into the sunset. I will shed a tear on that day. Seems like only yesterday he was giggling acting like a little schoolboy with Shaq putting his arm around him in 04.

Team LeBron does what's best for Team LeBron. I'll thank him for his services, I'll say we appreciate him forever for it, and move on. We'll show Cleveland and Boston how true fans act when a star player leaves.

[sportjames23]

Lebron stans trolling the fvck outta Kobe marks. Ya'll niccas gettin' outta hand. As much as I can't stand Kobe groupies, ya'll worse than them now. Gonna make me have to defend Bean pretty soon.

SMH

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Lebron stans trolling the fvck outta Kobe marks. Ya'll niccas gettin' outta hand. As much as I can't stand Kobe groupies, ya'll worse than them now. Gonna make me have to defend Bean pretty soon.

SMH

son, before LeBron came to Miami, I was spittin truth bombs about Kobe just the same (on different forums). Back then, I was just a Heat fan. Now I'm a Heat fan who has LeBron on his team.

Don't change a thing. Truth bombs about Kobe are still truth bombs, even if LBJ plays on my team or not.

[sportjames23]

son, before LeBron came to Miami, I was spittin truth bombs about Kobe just the same (on different forums). Back then, I was just a Heat fan. Now I'm a Heat fan who has LeBron on his team.

Don't change a thing. Truth bombs about Kobe are still truth bombs, even if LBJ plays on my team or not.

Son? Nikka, I'm prolly older than you. :oldlol:

Nah, even I'll say ya'll sellin' Kobe short. Kobe doesn't have as many Finals memories as he should, considering his talent level, but the man does have many playoff memories, especially against the Suns, Spurs and Kings, as has already been posted. Ya'll can't dismiss that shit.

[9erempiree]

http://s22.postimg.org/5o86pzjpd/BMbvy4j_CUAAIOy3_png_large.png

To be honest, he has too many good series that it falls under the radar. He was an absolute beast in the WCF, back then when it was the real championship. He would outperform Shaq in the playoffs but Shaq got the FMVP.

If their was an entire playoff MVP award, it would have went to Kobe hands down. The East was so garbage and they had bums covering Shaq.

[2010splash]

Kobe doesn't have a career-defining signature playoff game. The very closest he came was in the 2006 first round Game 4 against Phoenix with the game-tying layup + the game-winner in OT, but that's pretty much forgotten because he went on to blow the 3-1 series lead.

LeBron has his 48/9/7 and 25 straight points in Game 5 at Detroit in 2007, the 40/18/9 in a critical Game 4 at Indiana in 2012 en route to a crucial comeback win, the 45/15/5 in Game 6 at Boston in 2012, and his 37/12/4 in the deciding Game 7 of the Finals in 2013. Honestly you could even include some of LeBron's games from the Magic series of 2009 since he averaged 39/8/8 for the series. Even without those LeBron has had far more memorable clutch playoff performances than Kobe.

The facts simply do not support a case for Kobe being anything better than the 10th best player ever, and a reasonable argument can be made that he's kicked out of the top 10 if you think Hakeem is greater.

The following comprise the top 9 in no order: Jordan, LeBron, Wilt, Shaq, Russell, Kareem, Magic, Duncan, Bird

Then either Hakeem or Kobe for #10.

[Indian guy]

It may not be fair to him, since he is a top 10 great, but Kobe's single most memorable playoff game/moment of his career has to be his 6-24 night. That's one stat everyone remembers. Other that that, no particular moment/game sticks out. Not that he hasn't had terrific games, but nothing so clutch or dominant at a crucial stage that non-Kobe fans can instantly refer to.

[INDI]

I agree with tazb about

THE 6-24 GAME

There were few different good ones, but this has been the most memorable.

You guys are funny. The worst finals game that everyone loves to bring up is the 6-24, but fail to recognize he had 23 and 15 while playing great defense down the stretch.

Compare this to lebrons 7-21 game 3 for 15 and 11. Lebron was bewildered by not getting those contact fouls and looked lost

[rhythmic]

Utah Jazz, San Antonio Spurs, Sacramento Kings, Phoenix Suns... he has had many epic moments. :facepalm

The game where Shaquille fouled out and Kobe carried the team in overtime to a win; game 7 against Portland, Kobe was huge.

In 2000 playoffs against Phoenix. :confusedshrug:

[Andrei89]

You guys are funny. The worst finals game that everyone loves to bring up is the 6-24, but fail to recognize he had 23 and 15 while playing great defense down the stretch.

Compare this to lebrons 7-21 game 3 for 15 and 11. Lebron was bewildered by not getting those contact fouls and looked lost

8 of those rebounds stolen from his teammates.

Lot of those points resulted from FT when he was getting intentionally fouled.

So basically,

Kobe steals rebound to get intentionally fouled to pad his stats.

6-24 is the most memorable since he almost choked away the championship.

I remember the troll " TheLogo" making a thread end of 4th saying Kobe sucks. Then deleted it after the Laker won due to Gasol and Artest heroics on offense and defense.

[rhythmic]

It may not be fair to him, since he is a top 10 great, but Kobe's single most memorable playoff game/moment of his career has to be his 6-24 night. That's one stat everyone remembers. Other that that, no particular moment/game sticks out. Not that he hasn't had terrific games, but nothing so clutch or dominant at a crucial stage that non-Kobe fans can instantly refer to.

Go watch game 6 against Phoenix in 2010 WCF...dumbass.

[9erempiree]

8 of those rebounds stolen from his teammates.

Lot of those points resulted from FT when he was getting intentionally fouled.

So basically,

Kobe steals rebound to get intentionally fouled to pad his stats.

6-24 is the most memorable since he almost choked away the championship.

I remember the troll " TheLogo" making a thread end of 4th saying Kobe sucks. Then deleted it after the Laker won due to Gasol and Artest heroics on offense and defense.

TheLogo was at a sports bar that game with champagne. He wasn't here posting.

That entire game is on YT, you can go look to see who's rebounds he was stealing. Nobody's.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Lebron stans trolling the fvck outta Kobe marks. Ya'll niccas gettin' outta hand. As much as I can't stand Kobe groupies, ya'll worse than them now. Gonna make me have to defend Bean pretty soon.

SMH
As much as I admire James' game, I have to say that this will be the case with me too. I have always defended James, mostly after the decision, but now I believe that his fans will be a lot worse than Kobe's in a year or two.

[havoc33]

That's a narrative that exists only in your head. Not in reality.

- The NBA culture is much more star oriented today than it ever has been before. Jordan came up in just the opposite era. The league is star oriented (to it's detriment) now BECAUSE of Jordan, not in spite of him.

- Jordan's most famous playoff game is not the 63 points, it's game 6 against Utah. Or possibly the Shot vs. Cleveland.

- The 63 is only significant because it's an all time record. If Kobe had broken it later in the same circumstances it would be held up in just the same way. He scored 81 in a meaningless regular season game in January and the whole sports world was declaring him the best ever until the playoffs when they regained their sanity.

- I am giving credit where credit is due. I think Kobe's has 2 legit moments that the average fan holds up as signature. His "2001 run" while nice is hardly memorable. As a matter of fact outside of hardcore fans I don't think Ive ever heard anyone bring it up.

The lack of playoff moments do not discredit Kobe's legitimacy. Wilt Chamberlain who I think is considered superior in the average fans eye is known more for his Playoff injuries and failures than his successes. (even if that might not be fair)

Only in my head? You can't be serious. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but if you don't think that some of MJs stature would have taken a bigger hit these days with the constant ramblings on the internet, yeah then you are fooling yourself. Society has changed, whereas people used to look up to people and put them on a pedestal, nowadays there is just as strong a voice trying to tear them down. The internet and media overdrive has helped this development on. If you don't understand this important part of society, then yeah, I don't know what to say. This is elementary media and cultural studies stuff.

It is a well known fact that MJ was ruthless to reporters that dared (in his opionion) to slight him, so no one had the balls to ask the difficult questions in fear of not getting interview time with him. Only in the later stages of the first threepeat did we really see some of the negative stuff come out. But then MJ went on his basketball sabbatical (which some might even say only happened due to the gambling accusations. Look up the stirring '93 NBA Finals interview between Bob Costas and David Stern just to see how big a thing this really was. The NBA was taking a massive publicity hit). And then when MJ came back of course this had all gone away and his comeback was the best thing that had ever happened to the NBA, so the reporters went back to being all giddy again. I just don't understand how you can underestimate the role media played in building up the myth of MJ.

How many people remember Shawn Kemp being the best player in the 96 Finals today? How many people remember Scottie Pippen being talked about as the 98 Finals MVP before he injured his back? Or Stockton and Malone stating in the 97 Finals exit interview that Pippen, not Jordan, was the most difficult problem with facing the Bulls? I'm just saying...

I know that the 63 point game is not Jordan's most famous, but its still a game that has been hyped and put up time and time again as one of his greatest achievements. Somehow I don't think Kobe or Lebron would have received the same positive media spin if it was in a losing game and a losing series (it was in double OT btw). Sorry, but it just wouldn't happen, no way.

[chazzy]

Some terrrrible posts by 3LiftHeatCurse. lmao

So you bring up the Kings series... the one handed to them by the refs :lol

Uh, he's referring to the 2001 series. How does one allegedly rigged game in 02 invalidate a series from the year before?


I'd also like to add, the 81pt game was vs the raptors in the regular season who had historically atrocious defense that year. He was being guarded by an old washed up Jalen Rose, who couldn't play good defense even when he was younger.

Most players sit and don't stat pad. When Wade was scoring out of his mind back in the post-shaq years, there were games where Wade simply sat on the bench and didn't stat pad to try and break any scoring record. This goes for LeBron too.
Kobe was a better peak scorer than either of them. If that was statpadding, what exactly was Lebron doing in some of these finals 4th quarters? :oldlol:


AND LASTLY - I'd also like to mention that 2006 was a fluke year for Kobe due to the NBA using a new composite basketball for that year. Kobe really liked it.

It was removed because players complained about how it felt, but scoring was up all over the league due to it.

"Our players' response to this particular composite ball has been consistently negative, and we are acting accordingly," Stern said. "Although testing performed by Spalding and the NBA demonstrated that the new composite basketball was more consistent than leather, and statistically there has been an improvement in shooting, scoring and ball-related turnovers, the most important statistic is the view of our players."
Lmao, another embarrassing post. The new ball was used for the beginning of the 06-07 year, and Kobe went off AFTER the all star break. Just stop posting. What exactly is the Heat curse anyway?

[TheFan]

Everytime i think Kobe and playoff, i remember these three plays.

LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Od75L6A8E)

LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2bXZKJ9isg)

LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMwbsQPr780)

If the hand switch over the Lakers is considered a playoff moment for Jordan why can't these be the same for Kobe?..

[9erempiree]

Everytime i think Kobe and playoff, i remember these three plays.

LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Od75L6A8E)

LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2bXZKJ9isg)

LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMwbsQPr780)

If the hand switch over the Lakers is considered a playoff moment for Jordan why can't these be the same for Kobe?..

I have a hard time choosing between the pass to Pau and the shot over Dwight. They are both equally impressive.

The pass was just beautiful. Kobe spins and while in mid air he kind of spins again and drops it off to Pau.

That shot was pure artistry. Comes flying across the lane and shows the ball to DPOY and clutches the shot in.

[havoc33]

Everytime i think Kobe and playoff, i remember these three plays.

LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Od75L6A8E)

LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2bXZKJ9isg)

LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMwbsQPr780)

If the hand switch over the Lakers is considered a playoff moment for Jordan why can't these be the same for Kobe?..
That spin and pass was another one for sure. I remember both SLAM and Sports Illustrated pointed it out as the play of the series. If Kobe hadn't led that charge, the series might have been tied at 2-2 and it would have been a whole different ballgame.

[rhythmic]

Some notable Kobe moments:

1) 48 points versus Kings in 2001; starting the game hot scoring 13 points ni the 1st quarter and finished off the Kings by scoring 15 points in the 4th.

2) Securing a huge offensive rebound and scoring on a put-back against the Spurs with seconds left, for a 87-85 win.

3) 2004 WCF versus the Spurs; LA were down 1-2 and Kobe scored 42 points including 15 of LA's 24 points in the 4th quarter.

4) 2008 WCF game 1; LA trailed by as much as 20 points, Kobe led the charge scoring 27 & dishing out 9 assists and hitting a big shot with 23 seconds left to secure the win and leading his team to a massive comeback.

5) Game winning shot against the Suns in 2006, plus hitting a game tying shot to force overtime.

6) Completely obliterating the Spurs in 2001 all series long.

7) Game 7 versus Portland in 2000; Kobe had 11 rebounds, 4 blocks, 7 assists... plus a massive jump-shot late in the 4th to give LA a lead, followed by epic alley-oop to Shaquille to secure a huge comeback win.

8) Shaq fouled out of this pivotal game four with 2:33 left in overtime and LA ahead 112-109. The Laker guard came to LA

[INDI]

8 of those rebounds stolen from his teammates.

Lot of those points resulted from FT when he was getting intentionally fouled.

So basically,

Kobe steals rebound to get intentionally fouled to pad his stats.

6-24 is the most memorable since he almost choked away the championship.

I remember the troll " TheLogo" making a thread end of 4th saying Kobe sucks. Then deleted it after the Laker won due to Gasol and Artest heroics on offense and defense.

How do you steal rebounds??? You mean like the other player caught it and Kobe stole it out of his hands? Or that another player couldve caught it but Kobe waived him off the way Lebron does 3-4 times per game?

[havoc33]

Kobe doesn't have a career-defining signature playoff game. The very closest he came was in the 2006 first round Game 4 against Phoenix with the game-tying layup + the game-winner in OT, but that's pretty much forgotten because he went on to blow the 3-1 series lead.

LeBron has his 48/9/7 and 25 straight points in Game 5 at Detroit in 2007, the 40/18/9 in a critical Game 4 at Indiana in 2012 en route to a crucial comeback win, the 45/15/5 in Game 6 at Boston in 2012, and his 37/12/4 in the deciding Game 7 of the Finals in 2013. Honestly you could even include some of LeBron's games from the Magic series of 2009 since he averaged 39/8/8 for the series. Even without those LeBron has had far more memorable clutch playoff performances than Kobe.

The facts simply do not support a case for Kobe being anything better than the 10th best player ever, and a reasonable argument can be made that he's kicked out of the top 10 if you think Hakeem is greater.

The following comprise the top 9 in no order: Jordan, LeBron, Wilt, Shaq, Russell, Kareem, Magic, Duncan, Bird

Then either Hakeem or Kobe for #10.

How can you count Lebron's 40/18/9 and not count Kobe's 48/16/3 in a closeout game on the road in '01 (which he followed up with 45/10/3 the next game against the Spurs btw) or the 49/4/10 against the Nuggets in '08? This is a doublestandard if I ever saw one. People also seem to forget that Kobe has played in the Western Conference his entire career, which has been far more competetive than the Eastern Conference all this time. Yet you are dismissing these types of games against championship caliber teams. Ridiculous.

[Magic 32]

A couple of "lets not have this go seven games" performances....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q5IwJsJK6U
(look at the shots in the 4th!!!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eRp-Mwknpc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wUebv6ATh8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfYGBHi7ya0

[havoc33]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[9erempiree]

yeah, you are bringing up many of the same games that I mentioned a few pages back. Many people on this board are just too young, they weren't even watching basketball back in 2000/2001, no wonder they can't remember. :oldlol:

I was just about to say the same thing.

When people say "How come Kobe doesn't have memorable games" it usually means they are too young.

[MaxFly]

So you bring up the Kings series... the one handed to them by the refs :lol


I guess Kobe has had legendary moments, if you count regular season games against the raptors


The Lakers played the Kings every year of their three-peat run. If you can't remember that, and specifically that 2001 playoff run, it's going to be hard to remember anything Bryant has done that would stand out. You would actually have had to watch those series.

[9erempiree]

The Lakers played the Kings every year of their three-peat run. If you can't remember that, and specifically that 2001 playoff run, it's going to be hard to remember anything Bryant has done that would stand out. You would actually have had to watch those series.

Good to see fans of other teams' recognize Kobe's greatness and a Celtic fan too.

If these kids have to ask, then we know they are just that, kids.

[guy]

It may not be fair to him, since he is a top 10 great, but Kobe's single most memorable playoff game/moment of his career has to be his 6-24 night. That's one stat everyone remembers. Other that that, no particular moment/game sticks out. Not that he hasn't had terrific games, but nothing so clutch or dominant at a crucial stage that non-Kobe fans can instantly refer to.

This. I'd probably say his most memorable game/moment was the alley-oop to Shaq, and I would consider that more of a Shaq moment or at the very least a shared moment. As far as memorable games/moments go, I'm not sure if he has anything else that would be considered top 20 if the NBA were to have one of those lists. His most memorable moment thats more pertaining to just himself is either the OT vs. the Pacers or the game winner vs. the Suns. And what I mean by memorable is replay value as in how much its replayed over and over again or referred to continuously. He doesn't have so many memorable plays in the playoffs that were memorable due to how entertaining/impressive/impactful of a play it was (game winners/reverse layups/facial dunks), nor does he have as many memorable performances just because most of his great games didn't come at a pivotal point of a series or in very memorable playoff series, specifically Finals series (doesn't discount those performances, cause you could argue that his prior great performances made it so a pivotal point of those series didn't occur). The following would without a doubt be considered greater/more memorable:

Havlicek's steal vs 76ers
Celtics upset over Lakers (69 Finals game 7, Russell's last game)
Willis Reed's return from injury in the 70 Finals
Magic's 1980 Finals game 6
Dr. J's up and under reverse in the Finals vs. the Lakers
Dr. J's dunk over Michael Cooper in the Finals vs. the Lakers
Jordan's 63 points vs. Celtics
Bird's steal vs. Pistons
Magic's hook shot game winner vs. Celtics in Finals
Bird/Nique ECSF game 7 duel
Isiah's 1988 Finals game 6 scoring 25 points in 3rd quarter on twisted ankle
Jordan's 89 game/series winner vs Cavs
Jordan's 91 switch hands layup vs Lakers (also went 15-18 in this game)
Jordan's 92 Finals game 1 (35 first half points, 6 threes)
Jordan's 93 Finals game 4 (55 points)
Paxson's 93 championship series winning 3
Reggie's 25 4th quarter points vs. Knicks
Reggie's 8 points in 8 seconds vs. Knicks
Jordan's 97 Finals flu game 5
Jordan's 98 championship winner vs. Jazz
Kobe to Shaq alley-oop in game 7 of WCF
AI's 2001 Finals game 1 (48 points)
Horry's WCF game 3 game winner
Fisher's 0.4 shot game winner
Lebron's 2007 ECF game 5 vs. Pistons (25 straight points, 48 points)
Lebron's 2012 ECF game 6 vs. Celtics (45/15)
Ray's 2013 Finals saving 3

Thats 27 moments/performances. And I would say the following would be ARGUABLY considered greater/more memorable:

Jordan's 91 dunk over Ewing
Bulls 92 Finals game 6 comeback vs. Blazers
Jordan's 93 ECF game 4 vs. Knicks (54 points)
Barkley's 93 WCF game 7 vs. Sonics (44/24)
Bulls ECF game 5 win over Knicks
Barkley's 56 points vs. Warriors
Pippen's 94 dunk over Ewing
Kerr's 97 championship winner over Jazz
Lakers 00 Finals game 7 comeback vs. Blazers
Shaq's 01 Finals near quad-double
Duncan's 03 Finals near quad-double
Wade/Heat 06 Finals game 3 comeback vs. Mavs
Lakers 2010 Finals game 7 win over Celtics
Mavs 2011 Finals game 2 comeback vs. Heat
Lebron's 2013 ECF game 1 game winner
Lebron's 2013 Finals game 7

That's another 16.

[Scholar]

Kobe doesn't have a career-defining signature playoff game. The very closest he came was in the 2006 first round Game 4 against Phoenix with the game-tying layup + the game-winner in OT, but that's pretty much forgotten because he went on to blow the 3-1 series lead.

LeBron has his 48/9/7 and 25 straight points in Game 5 at Detroit in 2007, the 40/18/9 in a critical Game 4 at Indiana in 2012 en route to a crucial comeback win, the 45/15/5 in Game 6 at Boston in 2012, and his 37/12/4 in the deciding Game 7 of the Finals in 2013. Honestly you could even include some of LeBron's games from the Magic series of 2009 since he averaged 39/8/8 for the series. Even without those LeBron has had far more memorable clutch playoff performances than Kobe.

The facts simply do not support a case for Kobe being anything better than the 10th best player ever, and a reasonable argument can be made that he's kicked out of the top 10 if you think Hakeem is greater.

The following comprise the top 9 in no order: Jordan, LeBron, Wilt, Shaq, Russell, Kareem, Magic, Duncan, Bird

Then either Hakeem or Kobe for #10.

Thanks for proving that you know nothing about basketball.

This is Kobe in 2001 vs. an elite Sacramento Kings and an elite San Antonio Spurs squad the next game:

http://s24.postimg.org/m6leswaph/Capture.png

Pic won't show so I'll just share the stats:
48/16/3 @ .517
45/10/3 @ .543

Yes, those are back-to-back 40+/10+ games. A couple games later he dropped 36/9/8 on .519 FG% vs the Tim Duncan-David Robinson Spurs.

Or how about Kobe dropping 42/6/5 on .556% vs the Spurs in 2004?

You bring up LeBron's 40 pt games as though Kobe has never done the same or better. The fact that Kobe even got the Lakers to a 3-1 lead vs the Suns in 2006 shouldn't be overlooked. The Lakers' next best option was Lamar Odom. :facepalm They're starting C (Chris Mihm) was constantly injured, they had a bust (Kwame Brown) starting in his place, their PG was none other than Smush Parker (a.k.a didn't last long in the NBA), and off-the-bench came shitty guys like Luke Walton.
Stop acting like LeBron getting his terrible squad in '07 into the Finals through the East would've happened if that same team played in the West. They'd be lucky to win more than .500 in the regular season if that team played in the West. Throw stats at me all you want to about how they beat so-and-so teams in the West X number of times, but we all know that team's record wouldn't look anywhere near as good as it did playing the Suns, Spurs, Nuggets, Mavericks, etc., 3-4 times a year.



Edit: Okay, the pic isn't showing up, but you get the idea.

[Magic 32]

This. I'd probably say his most memorable game/moment was the alley-oop to Shaq, and I would consider that more of a Shaq moment or at the very least a shared moment. As far as memorable games/moments go, I'm not sure if he has anything else that would be considered top 20 if the NBA were to have one of those lists. His most memorable moment thats more pertaining to just himself is either the OT vs. the Pacers or the game winner vs. the Suns. And what I mean by memorable is replay value as in how much its replayed over and over again or referred to continuously. He doesn't have so many memorable plays in the playoffs that were memorable due to how entertaining/impressive/impactful of a play it was (game winners/reverse layups/facial dunks), nor does he have as many memorable performances just because most of his great games didn't come at a pivotal point of a series or in very memorable playoff series, specifically Finals series (doesn't discount those performances, cause you could argue that his prior great performances made it so a pivotal point of those series didn't occur). The following would without a doubt be considered greater/more memorable:

Havlicek's steal vs 76ers
Celtics upset over Lakers (69 Finals game 7, Russell's last game)
Willis Reed's return from injury in the 70 Finals
Magic's 1980 Finals game 6
Dr. J's up and under reverse in the Finals vs. the Lakers
Dr. J's dunk over Michael Cooper in the Finals vs. the Lakers
Jordan's 63 points vs. Celtics
Bird's steal vs. Pistons
Magic's hook shot game winner vs. Celtics in Finals
Bird/Nique ECSF game 7 duel
Isiah's 1988 Finals game 6 scoring 25 points in 3rd quarter on twisted ankle
Jordan's 89 game/series winner vs Cavs
Jordan's 91 switch hands layup vs Lakers (also went 15-18 in this game)
Jordan's 92 Finals game 1 (35 first half points, 6 threes)
Jordan's 93 Finals game 4 (55 points)
Paxson's 93 championship series winning 3
Reggie's 25 4th quarter points vs. Knicks
Reggie's 8 points in 8 seconds vs. Knicks
Jordan's 97 Finals flu game 5
Jordan's 98 championship winner vs. Jazz
Kobe to Shaq alley-oop in game 7 of WCF
AI's 2001 Finals game 1 (48 points)
Horry's WCF game 3 game winner
Fisher's 0.4 shot game winner
Lebron's 2007 ECF game 5 vs. Pistons (25 straight points, 48 points)
Lebron's 2012 ECF game 6 vs. Celtics (45/15)
Ray's 2013 Finals saving 3

Thats 27 moments/performances. And I would say the following would be ARGUABLY considered greater/more memorable:

Jordan's 91 dunk over Ewing
Bulls 92 Finals game 6 comeback vs. Blazers
Jordan's 93 ECF game 4 vs. Knicks (54 points)
Barkley's 93 WCF game 7 vs. Sonics (44/24)
Bulls ECF game 5 win over Knicks
Barkley's 56 points vs. Warriors
Pippen's 94 dunk over Ewing
Kerr's 97 championship winner over Jazz
Lakers 00 Finals game 7 comeback vs. Blazers
Shaq's 01 Finals near quad-double
Duncan's 03 Finals near quad-double
Wade/Heat 06 Finals game 3 comeback vs. Mavs
Lebron's 2013 ECF game 1 game winner
Lebron's 2013 Finals game 7

That's another 14.

TNT found 2 from this decade by Kobe..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdkBZgQoF2s

[guy]

TNT found 2 from this decade by Kobe..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdkBZgQoF2s

Well thats just a decade and I didn't say he didn't have anything at all. And you do realize that in the playoff performance category TNT had 0 from Kobe, right? They had performances from AI, Shaq, Duncan, KG, Wade, and Lebron, but no Kobe.

[Magic 32]

Well thats just a decade and I didn't say he didn't have anything at all. And you do realize that in the playoff performance category TNT had 0 from Kobe, right? They had performances from AI, Shaq, Duncan, KG, Wade, and Lebron, but no Wade.

If you want to change the subject, sure.

But Sleepy Floyd could probably also push Magic Johnson or Larry Bird out of a similar list from the 1980's.

[Ne 1]

The game 7 vs. the Blazers and the pass to Shaq is pretty memorable I guess. Though that might be more of a Shaq moment.
How so? Kobe made that play happen. He reads the defense, crosses Pippen, and once he gets by Pippen the defense collapses and Shaq's defender helps out on Kobe leaving Shaq open to roll to the rim. It's more of a Shaq moment because he ran down the court looking like like a dofus after the alley oop?

[9erempiree]

Thanks for proving that you know nothing about basketball.

This is Kobe in 2001 vs. an elite Sacramento Kings and an elite San Antonio Spurs squad the next game:

http://s24.postimg.org/m6leswaph/Capture.png

Pic won't show so I'll just share the stats:
48/16/3 @ .517
45/10/3 @ .543

Yes, those are back-to-back 40+/10+ games. A couple games later he dropped 36/9/8 on .519 FG% vs the Tim Duncan-David Robinson Spurs.

Or how about Kobe dropping 42/6/5 on .556% vs the Spurs in 2004?

You bring up LeBron's 40 pt games as though Kobe has never done the same or better. The fact that Kobe even got the Lakers to a 3-1 lead vs the Suns in 2006 shouldn't be overlooked. The Lakers' next best option was Lamar Odom. :facepalm They're starting C (Chris Mihm) was constantly injured, they had a bust (Kwame Brown) starting in his place, their PG was none other than Smush Parker (a.k.a didn't last long in the NBA), and off-the-bench came shitty guys like Luke Walton.
Stop acting like LeBron getting his terrible squad in '07 into the Finals through the East would've happened if that same team played in the West. They'd be lucky to win more than .500 in the regular season if that team played in the West. Throw stats at me all you want to about how they beat so-and-so teams in the West X number of times, but we all know that team's record wouldn't look anywhere near as good as it did playing the Suns, Spurs, Nuggets, Mavericks, etc., 3-4 times a year.



Edit: Okay, the pic isn't showing up, but you get the idea.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/4e3b827fc62122dc5a27e307cd6255cf/tumblr_mip4wfsInu1qji0qso1_500.gif

[guy]

If you want to change the subject, sure.

But Sleepy Floyd could probably also push Magic Johnson or Larry Bird out of a similar list from the 1980's.

I'm not changing the subject. We are talking about performances here too right?

Sleepy Floyd isn't pushing Magic out of that list (1980 Finals game 6 is arguably the greatest performance ever, not just that decade). Maybe Bird. Thats not the point though. This isn't meant as a discount to Kobe just like that wouldn't be a discount to Bird. I don't consider Isiah, Nique, Reggie, AI, or Ray better then Kobe just cause they have more memorable moments/performances then Kobe.

Just the mere fact that Kobe doesn't have a playoff performance that is inarguably part of any list for just THAT decade goes to show that the topic here is a valid point.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

People that say shit like this just exposes their age.

[Magic 32]

Just the mere fact that Kobe doesn't have a playoff performance that is inarguably part of any list for just THAT decade goes to show that the topic here is a valid point.

Problem is, he has prenty of games that could be considered.

The Kevin Garnett game is not necessarily better than a number of Kobe playoff games.

32 pts, 21 reb in the second round < 40 pts 8 ast 8 reb in the finals

?

[guy]

Problem is, he has prenty of games that could be considered.

The Kevin Garnett game is not necessarily better than a number of Kobe playoff games.

32 pts, 21 reb in the second round < 40 pts 8 ast 8 reb in the finals

?

Well I completely disagree with that specific example given the situation, but thats not the point. Your point is valid though, but this isn't about being better but about being more memorable and highly regarded in history. His 2001 game 4 vs. the Kings or game 1 vs. the Spurs is probably better then the AI or Wade game from that same list for example. But AI's game is probably more memorable because they were huge underdogs and everyone thought they would get annihilated, and Wade's game is probably more memorable because they were literally one quarter away from being in a huge hole that no team ever came back from. Those 2 games from Kobe didn't have nearly that type of drama associated cause one was a closeout game 4 after being up 3-0 in the series and the other one was a blowout game 1 between two evenly matched teams.

[INDI]

People that say shit like this just exposes their age.

Exactly!!! Already in this thread there has been at least 10 significant memorable kobe playoff moments presented. For there still to be a discussion means either there is an agenda or they arent old enough.

if Kobe has no great moments than no player in the history of the league is allowed to have any either.

[vegasbigshots]

Kobe Troll will now reply with or create a thread:

"Is 5 Rings better than 1.5 Rings"
"5 Rings vs 1.5 Rings"

*Asterisk on Shortened Season*

:lol

[INDI]

So you bring up the Kings series... the one handed to them by the refs :lol


I guess Kobe has had legendary moments, if you count regular season games against the raptors

The thread is about kobe not referees. If we discredit games where the refs gave calls to a specific player/team than there would be no games to discuss.

outside of refs, what did you think of Kobes play???

[havoc33]

This. I'd probably say his most memorable game/moment was the alley-oop to Shaq, and I would consider that more of a Shaq moment or at the very least a shared moment. As far as memorable games/moments go, I'm not sure if he has anything else that would be considered top 20 if the NBA were to have one of those lists. His most memorable moment thats more pertaining to just himself is either the OT vs. the Pacers or the game winner vs. the Suns. And what I mean by memorable is replay value as in how much its replayed over and over again or referred to continuously. He doesn't have so many memorable plays in the playoffs that were memorable due to how entertaining/impressive/impactful of a play it was (game winners/reverse layups/facial dunks), nor does he have as many memorable performances just because most of his great games didn't come at a pivotal point of a series or in very memorable playoff series, specifically Finals series (doesn't discount those performances, cause you could argue that his prior great performances made it so a pivotal point of those series didn't occur). The following would without a doubt be considered greater/more memorable:

Havlicek's steal vs 76ers
Celtics upset over Lakers (69 Finals game 7, Russell's last game)
Willis Reed's return from injury in the 70 Finals
Magic's 1980 Finals game 6
Dr. J's up and under reverse in the Finals vs. the Lakers
Dr. J's dunk over Michael Cooper in the Finals vs. the Lakers
Jordan's 63 points vs. Celtics
Bird's steal vs. Pistons
Magic's hook shot game winner vs. Celtics in Finals
Bird/Nique ECSF game 7 duel
Isiah's 1988 Finals game 6 scoring 25 points in 3rd quarter on twisted ankle
Jordan's 89 game/series winner vs Cavs
Jordan's 91 switch hands layup vs Lakers (also went 15-18 in this game)
Jordan's 92 Finals game 1 (35 first half points, 6 threes)
Jordan's 93 Finals game 4 (55 points)
Paxson's 93 championship series winning 3
Reggie's 25 4th quarter points vs. Knicks
Reggie's 8 points in 8 seconds vs. Knicks
Jordan's 97 Finals flu game 5
Jordan's 98 championship winner vs. Jazz
Kobe to Shaq alley-oop in game 7 of WCF
AI's 2001 Finals game 1 (48 points)
Horry's WCF game 3 game winner
Fisher's 0.4 shot game winner
Lebron's 2007 ECF game 5 vs. Pistons (25 straight points, 48 points)
Lebron's 2012 ECF game 6 vs. Celtics (45/15)
Ray's 2013 Finals saving 3

Thats 27 moments/performances. And I would say the following would be ARGUABLY considered greater/more memorable:

Jordan's 91 dunk over Ewing
Bulls 92 Finals game 6 comeback vs. Blazers
Jordan's 93 ECF game 4 vs. Knicks (54 points)
Barkley's 93 WCF game 7 vs. Sonics (44/24)
Bulls ECF game 5 win over Knicks
Barkley's 56 points vs. Warriors
Pippen's 94 dunk over Ewing
Kerr's 97 championship winner over Jazz
Lakers 00 Finals game 7 comeback vs. Blazers
Shaq's 01 Finals near quad-double
Duncan's 03 Finals near quad-double
Wade/Heat 06 Finals game 3 comeback vs. Mavs
Lakers 2010 Finals game 7 win over Celtics
Mavs 2011 Finals game 2 comeback vs. Heat
Lebron's 2013 ECF game 1 game winner
Lebron's 2013 Finals game 7

That's another 16.The fact that you are putting in several high scoring games by Lebron, Wade, Barkley, AI, yet fail to recognize the 48 and 45 Kobe put up in consecutive games vs stellar competition in '01 makes me having trouble taking you serious. These games are often referred to, and the media frenzy was crazy back then, more than one outlet drawing the you know who comparisons, just like Lebron has received these past two postseasons.

Kobe's gamewinner in 2000, leading comeback vs blazers and throwing alleyoop to Shaq, OT game on bum ankle in 2000 Finals, 48 and 45 in 2001 (at the time he was simply referred to as "23"), 42 pts after being hurried back from courtcase in Colorado in 04, two buzzerbeaters vs Suns in 06, draining crazy 3 in JR's face and bringing out the jaw in '09, streak of 30 point games after having his knee drained in 2010 playoffs ending with crazy shots over Grant Hill and the pat on Alvin Gentry's back are all vivid images that are part of NBA lore.

As for single plays, I think most people here will remember Kobe baptizing Nash in '06, and his windmill reverse slam over Nesterovic and Garnett in 2003 where Kevin Harlan went absolutely nuts. Not to mention Kobe's dunk over Emeka Okafar in '11 that many will consider one of the best facials ever in the Playoffs in recent years.

[2010splash]

Thanks for proving that you know nothing about basketball.

This is Kobe in 2001 vs. an elite Sacramento Kings and an elite San Antonio Spurs squad the next game:

http://s24.postimg.org/m6leswaph/Capture.png

Pic won't show so I'll just share the stats:
48/16/3 @ .517
45/10/3 @ .543

Yes, those are back-to-back 40+/10+ games. A couple games later he dropped 36/9/8 on .519 FG% vs the Tim Duncan-David Robinson Spurs.

Or how about Kobe dropping 42/6/5 on .556% vs the Spurs in 2004?

You bring up LeBron's 40 pt games as though Kobe has never done the same or better. The fact that Kobe even got the Lakers to a 3-1 lead vs the Suns in 2006 shouldn't be overlooked. The Lakers' next best option was Lamar Odom. :facepalm They're starting C (Chris Mihm) was constantly injured, they had a bust (Kwame Brown) starting in his place, their PG was none other than Smush Parker (a.k.a didn't last long in the NBA), and off-the-bench came shitty guys like Luke Walton.
Stop acting like LeBron getting his terrible squad in '07 into the Finals through the East would've happened if that same team played in the West. They'd be lucky to win more than .500 in the regular season if that team played in the West. Throw stats at me all you want to about how they beat so-and-so teams in the West X number of times, but we all know that team's record wouldn't look anywhere near as good as it did playing the Suns, Spurs, Nuggets, Mavericks, etc., 3-4 times a year.



Edit: Okay, the pic isn't showing up, but you get the idea.
You're just throwing out random 40+ point games from Kobe. I can easily do the same with LeBron if the only criteria is to find a "40 point game" or a "40/10 game."

But what I'm talking about is the "I'll never forget what I saw" legendary playoff game that you show over and over again on ESPN Classic. For that, context needs to be considered. Jordan's flu game, his 6 threes game, his 55-point game, 63-point game, LeBron's 45/15/5 Game 6, 48/9/7 Game 5, 37/12/4 Game 7 Finals, etc. Those are the performances of legends.

[9erempiree]

The fact that you are putting in several high scoring games by Lebron, Wade, Barkley, AI, yet fail to recognize the 48 and 45 Kobe put up in consecutive games vs stellar competition in '01 makes me having trouble taking you serious. These games are often referred to, and the media frenzy was crazy back then, more than one outlet drawing the you know who comparisons, just like Lebron has received these past two postseasons.

Kobe's gamewinner in 2000, leading comeback vs blazers and throwing alleyoop to Shaq, OT game on bum ankle in 2000 Finals, 48 and 45 in 2001 (at the time he was simply referred to as "23"), 42 pts after being hurried back from courtcase in Colorado in 04, two buzzerbeaters vs Suns in 06, draining crazy 3 in JR's face and bringing out the jaw in '09, streak of 30 point games after having his knee drained in 2010 playoffs ending with crazy shots over Grant Hill and the pat on Alvin Gentry's back are all vivid images that are part of NBA lore.

As for single plays, I think most people here will remember Kobe baptizing Nash in '06, and his windmill reverse slam over Nesterovic and Garnett in 2003 where Kevin Harlan went absolutely nuts. Not to mention Kobe's dunk over Emeka Okafar in '11 that many will consider one of the best facials ever in the Playoffs in recent years.

Basically all this.

Heck this is a lot of games right there.

I recommend the kids on here to watch the games Havoc mentioned.

[9erempiree]

You're just throwing out random 40+ point games from Kobe. I can easily do the same with LeBron if the only criteria is to find a "40 point game" or a "40/10 game."

But what I'm talking about is the "I'll never forget what I saw" legendary playoff game that you show over and over again on ESPN Classic. For that, context needs to be considered. Jordan's flu game, his 6 threes game, his 55-point game, 63-point game, LeBron's 45/15/5 Game 6, 48/9/7 Game 5, 37/12/4 Game 7 Finals, etc. Those are the performances of legends.

Game 6 and 7 weren't that great from an individual standpoint. They were good games because how loaded and how great Miami played together.

Memorable in game 6 was Ray Ray. That crazy stat of players being 0 for 122 on 3pt attempts. It has never happened what Ray did.

Let's also not forget Wade's 3rd and 4th quarters from game 6 and 7 while Lebron was on the bench.

Game 7 was Battier going perfect behind the arc.

Lebron had horrific games to start.

[Magic 32]

LeBron's 45/15/5 Game 6, 48/9/7 Game 5, 37/12/4 Game 7 Finals.

3 overrated games against old teams on their very last legs.

All of them former great defensive teams, who had shifted their focus to offensive in attempt to stay relevant.

Let me see him against the 2004 Pistons, the 2008 Celtics and the 2007 Spurs.

[jzek]

His legacy is being so blessed and being carried by Shaq to 3 rings.

[9erempiree]

Anyone can tell you, even Spurs fans, that this is probably the worse Finals defensive team they ever had.

[Magic 32]

Well I completely disagree with that specific example given the situation, but thats not the point. Your point is valid though, but this isn't about being better but about being more memorable and highly regarded in history. His 2001 game 4 vs. the Kings or game 1 vs. the Spurs is probably better then the AI or Wade game from that same list for example. But AI's game is probably more memorable because they were huge underdogs and everyone thought they would get annihilated, and Wade's game is probably more memorable because they were literally one quarter away from being in a huge hole that no team ever came back from. Those 2 games from Kobe didn't have nearly that type of drama associated cause one was a closeout game 4 after being up 3-0 in the series and the other one was a blowout game 1 between two evenly matched teams.

If all of those things have to come together (numbers, close game, signature moments), you also need a bit of luck.

Game 5 against Boston (2010) was destined to be that kind of game, but his teammates laid an egg.

[guy]

The fact that you are putting in several high scoring games by Lebron, Wade, Barkley, AI, yet fail to recognize the 48 and 45 Kobe put up in consecutive games vs stellar competition in '01 makes me having trouble taking you serious. These games are often referred to, and the media frenzy was crazy back then, more than one outlet drawing the you know who comparisons, just like Lebron has received these past two postseasons.

You have trouble taking me seriously, but you typed a 3 paragraph response? :oldlol:

Out of the 6 of those Lebron, Wade, Barkley, and AI performances, I only said 3 of them were inarguably more memorable and highly regarded then any of Kobe's such as those 2 you just mentioned. Has nothing to do with those performances being better or not, and everything to do with the circumstance and stage. And I'm not wrong, cause thats exactly the case with AI's game 1 vs. the Lakers, Lebron's game 5 vs. the Pistons, and Lebron's game 6 vs. the Celtics because of the drama associated with it. Where am I wrong?



Kobe's gamewinner in 2000, leading comeback vs blazers and throwing alleyoop to Shaq, OT game on bum ankle in 2000 Finals, 48 and 45 in 2001 (at the time he was simply referred to as "23"), 42 pts after being hurried back from courtcase in Colorado in 04, two buzzerbeaters vs Suns in 06, draining crazy 3 in JR's face and bringing out the jaw in '09, streak of 30 point games after having his knee drained in 2010 playoffs ending with crazy shots over Grant Hill and the pat on Alvin Gentry's back are all vivid images that are part of NBA lore.

As for single plays, I think most people here will remember Kobe baptizing Nash in '06, and his windmill reverse slam over Nesterovic and Garnett in 2003 where Kevin Harlan went absolutely nuts. Not to mention Kobe's dunk over Emeka Okafar in '11 that many will consider one of the best facials ever in the Playoffs in recent years.


Cool. And none of those aside from the alley oop to Shaq are as high up in NBA lore the way those first 27 moments I mentioned are and arguably not as high up in NBA lore as the other 16 moments I mentioned are.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I had a thread like this earlier in the year. The guy has no signature playoff moments. LeBron already has a ton more signature playoff moments and Kobe has been in the league a good amount longer. Cramp Game, Game 5 in Detroit, Game 6 in Boston, The Headband Game, NBA Finals clinching shot.....

[guy]

If all of those things have to come together (numbers, close game, signature moments), you also need a bit of luck.

Game 5 against Boston (2010) was destined to be that kind of game, but his teammates laid an egg.

Well I never disagreed with that.

[2010splash]

Game 6 and 7 weren't that great from an individual standpoint. They were good games because how loaded and how great Miami played together.

Memorable in game 6 was Ray Ray. That crazy stat of players being 0 for 122 on 3pt attempts. It has never happened what Ray did.

Let's also not forget Wade's 3rd and 4th quarters from game 6 and 7 while Lebron was on the bench.

Game 7 was Battier going perfect behind the arc.

Lebron had horrific games to start.
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Which Game 6? In 2012, it might have been the greatest playoff game in NBA history. In this year's Finals, LeBron sparked one of the best comebacks ever by scoring 16 in the 4th quarter to come back from 12 down with 3 minutes in the 3rd quarter to avoid elimination. And Game 7 was just brilliant, 37/12/4 with 5 threes in a GAME 7, where legends are made.

The stage was set in the past for Kobe to prove his status as a legend and he simply came up short. Game 4 at home vs Boston 2008 - blew the biggest lead in Finals history. Game 6 at Boston 2008 down 3-2 - suffered biggest blowout loss in Finals closeout game in history and shot 7-22. Game 7 2010 Finals - shot 6/24 and was bailed out by his teammates.

Kobe simply hasn't shown up in the biggest of moments.

[Magic 32]

Well I never disagreed with that.

Ok.

But if anyone else did this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfYGBHi7ya0&t=5m15s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug-5iOVGHs0&t=4m16s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICpiCZxB_0Y&t=8m58s

do you think that would be dismissed as not being "signature moment" worthy?

[Magic 32]

The stage was set in the past for Kobe to prove his status as a legend and he simply came up short. Game 4 at home vs Boston 2008 - blew the biggest lead in Finals history. Game 6 at Boston 2008 down 3-2 - suffered biggest blowout loss in Finals closeout game in history and shot 7-22. Game 7 2010 Finals - shot 6/24 and was bailed out by his teammates.


The stage was set for Lebron in 2011.

And look up some 2001, 2002 and 2009 games by Kobe.

[2010splash]

3 overrated games against old teams on their very last legs.

All of them former great defensive teams, who had shifted their focus to offensive in attempt to stay relevant.

Let me see him against the 2004 Pistons, the 2008 Celtics and the 2007 Spurs.
2012 Celtics - #1 ranked defensive team, just two years before shut Kobe down to 40% in the Finals.

2007 Pistons - #7 ranked defensive team, just three years back absolutely embarrassed Kobe by holding him to 38.1 % shooting in the Finals.

2013 Spurs - #3 ranked defense.

Quite simply, prime LeBron just dominated teams that Kobe was shut down by.

[cotdt]

81 points.

[2010splash]

The stage was set for Lebron in 2011.

And look up some 2001, 2002 and 2009 games by Kobe.
2011 is just one year. He has completely redeemed himself with 2012 and 2013.

The final memory we have of Kobe at his best (winning titles) is a 6/24 shooting performance.

That is sadly the story of Kobe's career. A great player but ultimately never had these once in a lifetime playoff performances that you'll remember 15-20 years from now.

[Magic 32]

2007 Pistons - #7 ranked defensive team, just three years back absolutely embarrassed Kobe by holding him to 38.1 % shooting in the Finals.
by.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200701/17/images/xinsrc_1920104171124953311496.jpg


http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_le5zugzsc91qbp4emo1_400.gif

[raprap]

kobe had a lot of great games in the playoffs.

[SilkkTheShocker]

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200701/17/images/xinsrc_1920104171124953311496.jpg


http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_le5zugzsc91qbp4emo1_400.gif

Webber was the unsung hero of Game 5 until LeBron tookover. Watch the game again. He wasn't a scrub out there.

[PickernRoller]

I have seen this thread a million times....why isn't there an archive on ISH?

OP very original btw...:coleman:

[Magic 32]

Webber was the unsung hero of Game 5 until LeBron tookover. Watch the game again. He wasn't a scrub out there.

Scoring 20 point is all fine, but he was a floating tub on defense...


Originally Posted by BlackVVaves
The 2007 Pistons were literally....like, literally....nothing compared to the 2004 Pistons. They substituted a legendary defense for a great offense, a decision made by a new head coach in Flip Saunders. A great offense that led them to a exceptional season, but a disappointing postseason (as they were the heavy favorites by the All Star break). If you watched basketball that year and in 2004, you would know that the team the Cavs beat in 2007 were a much different team in terms of dynamic than the 2004 Pistons the Lakers faced. Not to take anything from Lebron, just to correct your desperate attempt to throw shade on another player.

http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/B3/A415BAE16F7DB112F53728E5275918.jpg

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Ask Portland fans if they can remember any particular Kobe moments in the playoffs.

[guy]

Ok.

But if anyone else did this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfYGBHi7ya0&t=5m15s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug-5iOVGHs0&t=4m16s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICpiCZxB_0Y&t=8m58s

do you think that would be dismissed as not being "signature moment" worthy?

On the level of those games I mentioned? No. No records were broken or almost broken, and these weren't very adversity-filled situations. They weren't underdogs in either of these games. In the game 6s vs. Suns and Nuggets, they were favorites, up 3-2, and if they lost they got a game 7 at home. In the game vs. the Spurs, it was game 1, they were favorites, and they ended up winning the series 4-1 so it wasn't that close of a series. It wasn't a do or die game, wasn't a game where they were huge underdogs, wasn't a game 5 or 6 to regain HCA, etc.
If he had a game like that in game 7 of the 2000 WCF, game 7 of the 2002 WCF, game 6 of the 2003 WCSF, game 7 of the 2006 WC 1st round, game 5 or 7 of the 2010 Finals, etc, it would be a different story.

It shouldn't really be a knock on him. You can say that players like Hakeem or Bird don't have these signature playoff-defining games either.

[INDI]

You're just throwing out random 40+ point games from Kobe. I can easily do the same with LeBron if the only criteria is to find a "40 point game" or a "40/10 game."

But what I'm talking about is the "I'll never forget what I saw" legendary playoff game that you show over and over again on ESPN Classic. For that, context needs to be considered. Jordan's flu game, his 6 threes game, his 55-point game, 63-point game, LeBron's 45/15/5 Game 6, 48/9/7 Game 5, 37/12/4 Game 7 Finals, etc. Those are the performances of legends.

Those games you mentioned from lebron are not memorable outside of his fans, they are just good games which is the same for kobes 40 point games.


memorable is something specific that stands out like a key shot (magic) or things like the flu (jordan). The most memorable moment this season to me was currys 55 pt game (him going crazy from the 3pt line is what makes it memorable) though it wasnt a playoff game

[caliman]

To say that Kobe has never had any signature playoff moments or games is just false. He's had plenty of them, many of them mentioned in this thread. Some just choose not to acknowledge them.

Game 4 was a definite moment. Shaq had fouled out and Kobe stepped in and made shot after shot, including the game winning tip.

Game 4 against Sacramento and Game 1 against San Antonio were signature games. He went from 48 and 16 to finish off a sweep of the Kings, to 45 against the Spurs, that also led to a sweep. And both of those games came on the road.

How about Game 4 in 2002 against San Antonio? He leads the team back from a 4th quarter deficit, then gets the rebound and follow layup in the closing seconds after Fisher's miss.

Older Kobe has had more consistent excellence than a signature moment, but his series against San Antonio in 2008 and Phoenix in 2010 should be held up as examples of a player dominating an entire series.

[kennethgriffin]

kobes cross over and assist to save the season in game 7 wcf 2000 ( leading 4th quarter scoring, coming back from 15 down )

kobes take over to save the finals vs indiana at 21 years old, shaq fouled out in 2000, game winner

kobes near 50 point game with 16 rebounds in 2001 playoffs vs kings

kobes game winning put back vs spurs in 2002 playoffs

kobes near triple double 30/10/7 in game 7 vs kings in 2002 to save the season

kobes 2004 game tieing shot in game 2

kobes 2006 game tieing and winning shot vs suns

kobes dunk on nash in 2006 playoffs

kobes 50 point game vs suns in 2006 playoffs

kobes clinching game vs orlando ( the up and under reverse move in the final game )

kobes 2010 elimination game vs suns ( hits like 10 straight unreal jumpers, slaps coach on a**, barkley loses it in post game )




i remember these moments like they were yesterday... i think theyre his signature career games/finishes in the playoffs

[Magic 32]

On the level of those games I mentioned? No. No records were broken or almost broken, and these weren't very adversity-filled situations. They weren't underdogs in either of these games. In the game 6s vs. Suns and Nuggets, they were favorites, up 3-2, and if they lost they got a game 7 at home. In the game vs. the Spurs, it was game 1, they were favorites, and they ended up winning the series 4-1 so it wasn't that close of a series. It wasn't a do or die game, wasn't a game where they were huge underdogs, wasn't a game 5 or 6 to regain HCA, etc.
If he had a game like that in game 7 of the 2000 WCF, game 7 of the 2002 WCF, game 6 of the 2003 WCSF, game 7 of the 2006 WC 1st round, game 5 or 7 of the 2010 Finals, etc, it would be a different story.

It shouldn't really be a knock on him. You can say that players like Hakeem or Bird don't have these signature playoff-defining games either.

So now a signature moment is a combination of numbers (record breaking numbers) and signature plays or runs, done in a do or die game as an underdog.

Small box.

[guy]

So now a signature moment is a combination of numbers (record breaking numbers) and signature plays or runs, done in a do or die game as an underdog.

Small box.

Well I was just talking about signature games, because someone like Bird clearly has one of the most signature moments of NBA history (steal vs. Pistons). Nowhere did I say its ALL OF THOSE THINGS at once. I don't really understand why this is a debate. The fact that this is a topic of conversation, and isn't the first time this has been pointed out, goes to show that there is some truth behind it. If there wasn't, no one would dare even bring it up, for the same reason they don't dare bring it up for Magic, Jordan, Isiah, AI, Lebron, etc cause those games are painfully obvious and etched in people's brains. And like I said, memorable does not equal better.

[INDI]

Well I was just talking about signature games, because someone like Bird clearly has one of the most signature moments of NBA history (steal vs. Pistons). Nowhere did I say its ALL OF THOSE THINGS at once. I don't really understand why this is a debate. The fact that this is a topic of conversation, and isn't the first time this has been pointed out, goes to show that there is some truth behind it. If there wasn't, no one would dare even bring it up, for the same reason they don't dare bring it up for Magic, Jordan, Isiah, AI, Lebron, etc cause those games are painfully obvious and etched in people's brains. And like I said, memorable does not equal better.

Lebrons only etched in because hes the flavor of the month. 10 years from know they will be known as great games not memorable.I dont think you can put him in the jordan/magic/bird conversation because there is nothing that sticks out.

if anything kobe and lebron have the same exact playoff memorabilia. Dominant stats but nothing pertruding

[RRR3]

Something being "memorable" is pretty subjective. People remember what they want to. So you can't really state as fact that "Kobe has no memorable playoff moments", especially if you're not even giving a very good definition as to what you think constitutes something as memorable.

[guy]

Lebrons only etched in because hes the flavor of the month. 10 years from know they will be known as great games not memorable.I dont think you can put him in the jordan/magic/bird conversation because there is nothing that sticks out.

if anything kobe and lebron have the same exact playoff memorabilia. Dominant stats but nothing pertruding

I highly doubt that. 2007 was a pretty long time ago and its still talked about a lot. The only way that happens is if Lebron has a bunch of other great games that are even better that makes these games forgettable, which I highly doubt will happen. Its the same reason why alot of Jordan's other great games aren't really brought up that much.

[livinglegend]

6-24

[Segatti]

No, of course.. Kobe has no great playoff moments, lol :oldlol: Maybe I shouldn't blame you, since most of you were still in kindergarden back in the 2000s. A quick recap:

- Gamewinner vs Suns in 2000 playoffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teIq5v0tTnY

- Game 4 takeover in the 2000 Finals vs Pacers. 28 points (8 in OT) on a bum ankle, Shaq fouled out in the 3rd quarter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Lp5aQq4zI

- 48 and 45 pts back to back vs the Kings and Spurs in the 2001 Playoffs, as Kobe stormed through the first three rounds putting up spectacular numbers. Prompted Shaq to call Kobe the best basketball player in the league by far. Ron Harper and Horace Grant started calling Kobe "23", as a reference to their former teammate MJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkvpnmAk2xU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpArN4LbTI0

- Kobe kills the Spurs again. Comes up with the spectacular gamewinner vs the Spurs in Game 4 in the 2002 WCSF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWPWvJ2wr44

- sticks 42 pts on the San Antonio Spurs in the WCSF after flying back from court hearings in Colorado
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjr2kNQVbXg

- Gametying 3pts shot vs the Pistons in the 2004 Finals (although this was a poor series by Kobe overall)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvo_ca9cTjk

- back to back buzzer beaters at the end of regulation and overtime vs the Suns in the 2006 Playoffs, as the 8th seeded Lakers shock the Suns in the 1st round
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TE3tUy6UMY

- Kobe with one his most sick playoff games ever, hitting big shot after big shot, scorching the Suns for 50 points vs the Suns in Game 6 of the 2006 Playoffs. If not for a lucky bounce and desperation three by Tim Thomas, the Lakers would have pulled off the major upset.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3_hXqEAfwg

- scorches the Nuggets in the 2008 Playoffs for 49 pts and 10 ast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRa3QXoppJ0

- Finishes off a great Spurs team in Game 5 2008 WCF with 39 pts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRa3QXoppJ0

- Kobe with the dagger 3pt shot in JR Smiths face to cap a memorable 41 point night in a must win situation vs the Nuggets in the 2009 WCF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35qSSlWpfFY

- Kobe with his own version of MJ's switch of hands layup vs Dwight Howard in the 2009 Finals to cap off a stellar series
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jamZf5u5jCw

- Kobe goes unconscious and hits impossible shots to finish off the Suns in the 2010 WCF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsEg7NG3WIo


And this is not to mention all the big plays and dunks that have been made throughout the years. Off top of my head; game saving block on Sabonis in Game 3 in the 2000 WCF, soaring facial on Smiths in the 2000 Finals, back to back facials on Duncan in the 2002 Playoffs, dunk on McCullogh in the 2002 Finals, two monster slams on Nash and Tim Thomas 2006 Playoffs, Kobe going into NBA2K mode vs the Jazz in 2008 Playoffs (off the backboard dunk), Kobe scoring 19 points in the 3rd quarter of Game 5 in the 2010 Finals, Kobe hopping into the time machine and absolutely crushing it on Emeka Okafor in the 2011 Playoffs. This is just a small sample of what I can remember, I'm sure there's much, much more...

But yeah, Kobe is such a scrub, nothing memorable to find here.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Element]

Game 7 vs Portland was definitely a memorable moment. He was the only one who showed up that game, and took over with like 3 jumpers and the assist to Shaq late. Easy assist? Yeah, but trust me, there have only been a handful of players in the league able to cross Pippen out of shoes to set that pass up.

Game 4 vs Indiana on a bad ankle, the late takeover and game winner? It seems
like most of you guys were still sh.itting in diapers or in elementary school when that happened. Media went crazy.

In 2001, his whole level of play was crazy. Everyone from MJ to Magic was raving about his performances. Yeah there was no real signature moment, but his destroying of the Western Conference was up there with an other 3-series stretch in history.

The 40 point game against the Spurs in 04, after he was rushed back from
the court in Colorado to prevent a 3-1 lead? In today's internet age this game would've blown up everywhere, and it did even back then.

Game 2 vs Pistons in 04, the sexy ass 3 to tie was definitely memorable. Yeah he had a horrible series and his team lost, but come on, that shot was miraculous.

Everyone remembers Game 4 against Phoenix in 06. 2 consecutive buzzer beaters. Game 6, the ridiculous shots in the clutch, torching PHO for 50 points only to have his bum ass team blow the game away. The dunk on Nash is also still played on highlight reels.

09 has plenty of moments. The three over JR on the road, Game 6 vs Den in general, the death stare in Game 1 of the Finals, that layup on Dwight, the mid-air assist to Pau...seriously, LeBron fans would be salivating had their hero done this stuff..

2010 Game 6 vs Phoenix. That game was a masterpiece. Bounced back from a bad shooting night hitting impossible shot after impossible shot whenever Phoenix made a clutch play...Doug Collins and Marv were speechless. And them of course the tap on Alvin Gentry..

Tl;dr

He has plenty of moments. I'm still probably forgetting a couple of GW's, clutch comebacks, nasty posters, etc

[lakeshow1]

Sorry bruh. No one remembers those.

That's because you're 16 years old and started watching ball after the decision.

[dh144498]

I noticed a pattern in this thread: most people who agrees with the OP are lebron stans. :oldlol:

[Magic 32]

I don't really understand why this is a debate. The fact that this is a topic of conversation, and isn't the first time this has been pointed out, goes to show that there is some truth behind it.

Not really.

[MaxFly]

2012 Celtics - #1 ranked defensive team, just two years before shut Kobe down to 40% in the Finals.

You've compared the 2012 Celtics to previous Celtics teams knowing full well that the comparison is a foolish one.

Here are LeBron's games against the Celtics in the 2008 playoffs.

2/18, 6/24, 5/16, 7/20, 12/25, 9/23, 14/29 35.5%

Here are LeBron's games against the Celtics in the 2010 playoffs.

12/24, 7/15, 14/22, 7/18, 3/14, 8/21 44.5%

Are those teams that shut down LeBron the same ones that shut down Bryant?



2013 Spurs - #3 ranked defense.

Quite simply, prime LeBron just dominated teams that Kobe was shut down by.

Here are Bryant's games against the Spurs from a few seasons ago.

11/21, 10/17, 13/23, 14/29, 16/30 53.3%


These are very different teams my friend. Quite simply, these are not the same teams.

[truhooper]

Maybe his lob pass to Shaq against Portland? But yea if you really think about it it's pretty sad.

this

[Heavincent]

I noticed a pattern in this thread: most people who agrees with the OP are lebron stans. :oldlol:

And they just started watching basketball when Lebron joined the Heat, so of course they don't remember.

According to certain ISH posters, dropping 48/16 and 45/10 in back to back games isn't "memorable". Neither is a 49/10 game, or making a game tying shot and then hitting the game winner in OT :oldlol:

[TylerOO]

This is adorable. Watching these Kobetards search google to find some "moments". Face it, Kobe has no memorable games or plays in the playoffs.

[imdaman99]

This is adorable. Watching these Lebrontards make threads on how they are done with Lebron because he is a p*ssy, only to deflect the attention they generated in that thread by posting about Kobe Bryant. Face it, Lebron has mental shutdown games in the playoffs.

[TylerOO]

This is adorable. Watching these Lebrontards make threads on how they are done with Lebron because he is a p*ssy, only to deflect the attention they generated in that thread by posting about Kobe Bryant. Face it, Lebron has mental shutdown games in the playoffs.

Oooohhhhh good one. :rolleyes: Yawn.

[imdaman99]

Oooohhhhh good one. :rolleyes: Yawn.
Why hasn't anyone screenshotted your pathetic thread and posted it everytime you swallow a lebron-load?

It must be on page 75 by now :roll:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Where is his Flu Game? Where is his Game 6 moment like LeBron had against Boston? He doesn't have moments like that in the postseason.

[Heavincent]

I don't really understand why this is a debate. The fact that this is a topic of conversation, and isn't the first time this has been pointed out, goes to show that there is some truth behind it. If there wasn't, no one would dare even bring it up, for the same reason they don't dare bring it up for Magic, Jordan, Isiah, AI, Lebron, etc cause those games are painfully obvious and etched in people's brains. And like I said, memorable does not equal better.

So every time some idiot makes a dumb thread and a long thread ensues, it means there's some truth to it?

[oh the horror]

"Kobe has no memorable playoff moments"



People proceed to list a chunk of memorable playoff moments.



Haters getting laughed out of the thread.

[SilkkTheShocker]

"Kobe has no memorable playoff moments"



People proceed to list a chunk of memorable playoff moments.



Haters getting laughed out of the thread.

Memorable for who? The average fan wouldn't have any idea about the 2001 Playoffs. They may have been great games, but memorable? No, they weren't. Memorable is Ray Allen's 3, Jordan's shot over Russell, Iverson's Game 1 in 01 Finals, Isiah playing on a bad ankle, Magic's baby hook, etc. Kobe doesn't have a moment like that.

[dh144498]

Memorable for who? The average fan wouldn't have any idea about the 2001 Playoffs. They may have been great games, but memorable? No, they weren't. Memorable is Ray Allen's 3, Jordan's shot over Russell, Iverson's Game 1 in 01 Finals, Isiah playing on a bad ankle, Magic's baby hook, etc. Kobe doesn't have a moment like that.

his double buzzer beaters in game 4 against the Suns was pretty epic.

[guy]

So every time some idiot makes a dumb thread and a long thread ensues, it means there's some truth to it?.


Not really.

So you think people just pull this out of thin air? That there's this huge conspiracy to bring this subject up every once in a while :oldlol: The fact that you have people feeling the need to list a bunch of moments to REMIND people goes to show that its not that memorable. It goes to show that people need to be reminded.

And the fact is great moments/performances becoming relatively forgotten isn't something that applies to just Kobe. Do people realize that Jordan has 8 50+ playoff games? 8 of the top 20 and 6 of the top 10 highest scoring playoff games since 1986? But I'm pretty sure if you asked most non-die hard Jordan/Bulls here what were these games, they'd probably only be able to name 1 or 2 of them.

[SilkkTheShocker]

his double buzzer beaters in game 4 against the Suns was pretty epic.

It's very impressive, but its just something that never sticks in the average fan's minds. I don't think Kobe is alone though. Kareem doesn't really have any of those moments that stick either. And he is the consensus 2nd best player ever. Same with Big O and Wilt.

[Heavincent]

So you think people just pull this out of thin air?

Pretty much. Kobe detractors with selective memories making stupid threads. You see it all the time on ISH.

[guy]

Pretty much. Kobe detractors with selective memories making stupid threads. You see it all the time on ISH.

Okay. Let me ask, which Kobe moment/performance other then the alley-oop of Shaq do you think would be ranked ahead of any of the below moments/performances as far as how memorable/signature/iconic of a moment they were?

Havlicek's steal vs 76ers
Celtics upset over Lakers (69 Finals game 7, Russell's last game)
Willis Reed's return from injury in the 70 Finals
Magic's 1980 Finals game 6
Dr. J's up and under reverse in the Finals vs. the Lakers
Dr. J's dunk over Michael Cooper in the Finals vs. the Lakers
Jordan's 63 points vs. Celtics
Bird's steal vs. Pistons
Magic's hook shot game winner vs. Celtics in Finals
Bird/Nique ECSF game 7 duel
Isiah's 1988 Finals game 6 scoring 25 points in 3rd quarter on twisted ankle
Jordan's 89 game/series winner vs Cavs
Jordan's 91 switch hands layup vs Lakers (also went 15-18 in this game)
Jordan's 92 Finals game 1 (35 first half points, 6 threes)
Jordan's 93 Finals game 4 (55 points)
Paxson's 93 championship series winning 3
Reggie's 25 4th quarter points vs. Knicks
Reggie's 8 points in 8 seconds vs. Knicks
Jordan's 97 Finals flu game 5
Jordan's 98 championship winner vs. Jazz
Kobe to Shaq alley-oop in game 7 of WCF
AI's 2001 Finals game 1 (48 points)
Horry's WCF game 3 game winner
Fisher's 0.4 shot game winner
Lebron's 2007 ECF game 5 vs. Pistons (25 straight points, 48 points)
Lebron's 2012 ECF game 6 vs. Celtics (45/15)
Ray's 2013 Finals saving 3

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Okay. Let me ask, which Kobe moment/performance other then the alley-oop of Shaq do you think would be ranked ahead of any of the below moments/performances as far as how memorable/signature/iconic of a moment they were?

Havlicek's steal vs 76ers
Celtics upset over Lakers (69 Finals game 7, Russell's last game)
Willis Reed's return from injury in the 70 Finals
Magic's 1980 Finals game 6
Dr. J's up and under reverse in the Finals vs. the Lakers
Dr. J's dunk over Michael Cooper in the Finals vs. the Lakers
Jordan's 63 points vs. Celtics
Bird's steal vs. Pistons
Magic's hook shot game winner vs. Celtics in Finals
Bird/Nique ECSF game 7 duel
Isiah's 1988 Finals game 6 scoring 25 points in 3rd quarter on twisted ankle
Jordan's 89 game/series winner vs Cavs
Jordan's 91 switch hands layup vs Lakers (also went 15-18 in this game)
Jordan's 92 Finals game 1 (35 first half points, 6 threes)
Jordan's 93 Finals game 4 (55 points)
Paxson's 93 championship series winning 3
Reggie's 25 4th quarter points vs. Knicks
Reggie's 8 points in 8 seconds vs. Knicks
Jordan's 97 Finals flu game 5
Jordan's 98 championship winner vs. Jazz
Kobe to Shaq alley-oop in game 7 of WCF
AI's 2001 Finals game 1 (48 points)
Horry's WCF game 3 game winner
Fisher's 0.4 shot game winner
Lebron's 2007 ECF game 5 vs. Pistons (25 straight points, 48 points)
Lebron's 2012 ECF game 6 vs. Celtics (45/15)
Ray's 2013 Finals saving 3

Kobe's 2006 shot to tie and buzzer beater vs Phoenix is pretty memorable, imo. Maybe that's just me :confusedshrug:

[Heavincent]

Okay. Let me ask, which Kobe moment/performance other then the alley-oop of Shaq do you think would be ranked ahead of any of the below moments/performances as far as how memorable/signature/iconic of a moment they were?

Havlicek's steal vs 76ers
Celtics upset over Lakers (69 Finals game 7, Russell's last game)
Willis Reed's return from injury in the 70 Finals
Magic's 1980 Finals game 6
Dr. J's up and under reverse in the Finals vs. the Lakers
Dr. J's dunk over Michael Cooper in the Finals vs. the Lakers
Jordan's 63 points vs. Celtics
Bird's steal vs. Pistons
Magic's hook shot game winner vs. Celtics in Finals
Bird/Nique ECSF game 7 duel
Isiah's 1988 Finals game 6 scoring 25 points in 3rd quarter on twisted ankle
Jordan's 89 game/series winner vs Cavs
Jordan's 91 switch hands layup vs Lakers (also went 15-18 in this game)
Jordan's 92 Finals game 1 (35 first half points, 6 threes)
Jordan's 93 Finals game 4 (55 points)
Paxson's 93 championship series winning 3
Reggie's 25 4th quarter points vs. Knicks
Reggie's 8 points in 8 seconds vs. Knicks
Jordan's 97 Finals flu game 5
Jordan's 98 championship winner vs. Jazz
Kobe to Shaq alley-oop in game 7 of WCF
AI's 2001 Finals game 1 (48 points)
Horry's WCF game 3 game winner
Fisher's 0.4 shot game winner
Lebron's 2007 ECF game 5 vs. Pistons (25 straight points, 48 points)
Lebron's 2012 ECF game 6 vs. Celtics (45/15)
Ray's 2013 Finals saving 3

His two buzzer beaters against the Suns definitely belongs in there.

So we have two Kobe moments in there, along with two Lebron and two Bird moments. So what's the problem here? Jordan is the only guy on your arbitrary list who has more than two moments.

[RRR3]

Holy shit this is all subjective for Petes sake.

[guy]

Kobe's 2006 shot to tie and buzzer beater vs Phoenix is pretty memorable, imo. Maybe that's just me :confusedshrug:

Of course its memorable. But do you think it gets (or will get when it comes to more recent moments like the Ray 3) as much constant replay, hype, discussion, regard, and sticks out in basketball fans' minds as any of those other moments? It doesn't seem like it to me. Either the OP is overstating this or some people are taking this too literal. I don't think anyone is saying now or 10 years from now, no one will remember any single moment of Kobe's career like he never played in the playoffs at all and had a great game. I think the point is for an all-time great that is unjustifiably or justifiably hyped up as a top 2-10 player of all-time (and there's a crazy minority that even thinks he's GOAT), its a little perplexing that you could argue that he doesn't have a top 25 playoff memorable moment of all-time (by himself that is, because the Shaq alley-oop is much more of a shared moment).

[SilkkTheShocker]

Holy shit this is all subjective for Petes sake.

Please stop repeating yourself. We got it.

[RRR3]

Please stop repeating yourself. We got it.
No you don't get it clearly

[sportjames23]

I had a thread like this earlier in the year. The guy has no signature playoff moments. LeBron already has a ton more signature playoff moments and Kobe has been in the league a good amount longer. Cramp Game, Game 5 in Detroit, Game 6 in Boston, The Headband Game, NBA Finals clinching shot.....


Lebron's Cramp Game--didn't he only get cramps in the waning minutes of that game? It's not like he had to use Midol the whole game. Dude cramped out at the end when the game was basically sewn up.

[sportjames23]

81 points.


Playoffs, bro.

[sportjames23]

Ask Portland fans if they can remember any particular Kobe moments in the playoffs.


Or Kings and Spurs fans.

[PickernRoller]

Silk and RRR3 still hate each other? I though you two were past this. No need to fight for Lebron's c0ck.....:lol

[Heavincent]

Of course its memorable. But do you think it gets (or will get when it comes to more recent moments like the Ray 3) as much constant replay, hype, discussion, regard, and sticks out in basketball fans' minds as any of those other moments?

Yes. How was it any less memorable than the Horry and Fisher shots you mentioned? In fact, it was probably more memorable than those shots because it was a superstar doing it and he hit not 1, but 2 buzzer beaters to save the game.

[SilkkTheShocker]

No you don't get it clearly


We heard you loud and clear the first 30x you said it. But there is no point in repeating yourself if no one is listening or cares what you have to say. I know you take this board seriously, but maybe once you should just relax and not make such a big deal about it.

[rhythmic]

So you think people just pull this out of thin air? That there's this huge conspiracy to bring this subject up every once in a while :oldlol: The fact that you have people feeling the need to list a bunch of moments to REMIND people goes to show that its not that memorable. It goes to show that people need to be reminded.

And the fact is great moments/performances becoming relatively forgotten isn't something that applies to just Kobe. Do people realize that Jordan has 8 50+ playoff games? 8 of the top 20 and 6 of the top 10 highest scoring playoff games since 1986? But I'm pretty sure if you asked most non-die hard Jordan/Bulls here what were these games, they'd probably only be able to name 1 or 2 of them.

Boy you are a retard.
if Kobe dropped 120 points in a basketball game, there would be about 60 posters on this forum trying to discredit him (you included).

So because so many people on this forum with clear agendas are "saying" Kobe had no great moments in the playoffs, then it must be true?

But yet when people give you examples of numerous great moments, it somehow should be dismissed? Or according to you, those moments simply have to be reminded therefore they aren't so great. :facepalm

Well it's kind of hard to praise Kobe on this forum considering he's the most critsized and hated basketball player on ISH.

[guy]

His two buzzer beaters against the Suns definitely belongs in there.

So we have two Kobe moments in there, along with two Lebron and two Bird moments. So what's the problem here? Jordan is the only guy on your arbitrary list who has more than two moments.

He has one moment by himself if you put that in there. And I wasn't asking if that belongs there. I was asking if it ranks over any of those moments. Bird's steal is probably one of the top 5 most iconic plays in history (at the very least top 5 non-Jordan plays), and those 2 Lebron playoff performances will probably go down, if they haven't already, as 2 of the top 10 most memorable playoff performances ever (maybe more time needs to pass to determine that).

Its not a problem. I've already said that it doesn't necessarily take anything away from him, and the same can be said about other all-time great players such as Hakeem, Shaq, and Duncan. I never said more memorable means better.

[guy]

Yes. How was it any less memorable than the Horry and Fisher shots you mentioned? In fact, it was probably more memorable than those shots because it was a superstar doing it and he hit not 1, but 2 buzzer beaters to save the game.

Because the Lakers lost the series (same reason Lebron's 09 game winner vs. the Magic isn't as memorable), it was in the first round as opposed to the WCSF or WCF, and Horry's shot was incredibly unlikely and unpredictable that took a lucky bounce his way and was part of one of the most epic series of all-time and on the way to a title run, and Fisher's shot was maybe the most difficult game winning shot in history that followed up a previous incredibly difficult shot by Duncan.

[guy]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[SamuraiSWISH]

He's had his memorable moments, no doubt. But I also don't think he's had like those truly memorable playoff / Finals games on the level of some of the greats.

[lilblingy]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm at people thinking Kobe's 6-24(with like 15boards) is really remembered by the majority. The real world is not a basketball forum and most people only care that Kobe won the title.

Anyways, Kobe does not really have that one really memorable playoff moment that guys like Jordan, Magic, Bird, or even Lebron has but that does not take away anything from him because he has had multiple dominant playoff series that resulted in 5 rings in 17 years. Kobe will be remembered for scoring 81pts in a regular season game just like Wilt is known for scoring 100. 20 years from now the average basketball fan will remember 81pts over Lebron's game against the Celtics.

[MaxFly]

Of course its memorable. But do you think it gets (or will get when it comes to more recent moments like the Ray 3) as much constant replay, hype, discussion, regard, and sticks out in basketball fans' minds as any of those other moments? It doesn't seem like it to me.

People generally remember recent events more clearly than past events unless a past event is replayed repeatedly. I think, for Bryant, his clutch play against the Suns makes the list in addition to his alley to Shaq as singular plays that stand out. The OP said "I swear, dude doesn't have any real memorable games to speak of." I think that has been refuted roundly and repeatedly in this thread. He's had a number of memorable games and performances, but I suspect the issue is partly that people don't remember them because they haven't been watching basketball for all that long.

However, I can't fully adopt that hypothesis because he had pretty memorable games in his 2008-2010 run. An alternate theory would be that people are so busy diminishing and marginalizing whatever he does that many refuse to give him much credit for great play. Just a few years ago, he put up 34/7/8 on 52% shooting, 43% from the 3 point line against Phoenix... and that game 6 was especially memorable to reach the NBA finals. The fact that people claim they don't remember that series and his play is a little peculiar, especially coming from people who claim to remember his air-balls against Utah 17 or so years ago.



I think the point is for an all-time great that is unjustifiably or justifiably hyped up as a top 2-10 player of all-time (and there's a crazy minority that even thinks he's GOAT), its a little perplexing that you could argue that he doesn't have a top 25 playoff memorable moment of all-time (by himself that is, because the Shaq alley-oop is much more of a shared moment).

Here is the list you provided.


Havlicek's steal vs 76ers
Celtics upset over Lakers (69 Finals game 7, Russell's last game)
Willis Reed's return from injury in the 70 Finals
Magic's 1980 Finals game 6
Dr. J's up and under reverse in the Finals vs. the Lakers
Dr. J's dunk over Michael Cooper in the Finals vs. the Lakers
Jordan's 63 points vs. Celtics
Bird's steal vs. Pistons
Magic's hook shot game winner vs. Celtics in Finals
Bird/Nique ECSF game 7 duel
Isiah's 1988 Finals game 6 scoring 25 points in 3rd quarter on twisted ankle
Jordan's 89 game/series winner vs Cavs
Jordan's 91 switch hands layup vs Lakers (also went 15-18 in this game)
Jordan's 92 Finals game 1 (35 first half points, 6 threes)
Jordan's 93 Finals game 4 (55 points)
Paxson's 93 championship series winning 3
Reggie's 25 4th quarter points vs. Knicks
Reggie's 8 points in 8 seconds vs. Knicks
Jordan's 97 Finals flu game 5
Jordan's 98 championship winner vs. Jazz
Kobe to Shaq alley-oop in game 7 of WCF
AI's 2001 Finals game 1 (48 points)
Horry's WCF game 3 game winner
Fisher's 0.4 shot game winner
Lebron's 2007 ECF game 5 vs. Pistons (25 straight points, 48 points)
Lebron's 2012 ECF game 6 vs. Celtics (45/15)
Ray's 2013 Finals saving 3

I don't see Shaq, Duncan, Oscar, Hakeem or Wilt's names on that list. It's perplexing that these guys, all generally discussed in top 10 lists, don't have a top 25 playoff memorable moment of all-time all of their own...

[SamuraiSWISH]

Did you guys know MaxFly is the ORIGINAL insidehoops "I'm going to use the avatar of another player / team but only talk about Kobe to try and seem unbiased" type of poster?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Did you guys know MaxFly is the ORIGINAL insidehoops "I'm going to use the avatar of another player / team but only talk about Kobe to try and seem unbiased" type of poster?

I was just thinking about this. Is he really a Celtics fans? All I ever see him talk about is Kobe

[havoc33]

Of course its memorable. But do you think it gets (or will get when it comes to more recent moments like the Ray 3) as much constant replay, hype, discussion, regard, and sticks out in basketball fans' minds as any of those other moments? It doesn't seem like it to me. Either the OP is overstating this or some people are taking this too literal. I don't think anyone is saying now or 10 years from now, no one will remember any single moment of Kobe's career like he never played in the playoffs at all and had a great game. I think the point is for an all-time great that is unjustifiably or justifiably hyped up as a top 2-10 player of all-time (and there's a crazy minority that even thinks he's GOAT), its a little perplexing that you could argue that he doesn't have a top 25 playoff memorable moment of all-time (by himself that is, because the Shaq alley-oop is much more of a shared moment).So you just decided by yourself what is the official 25 most memorable Playoff moments of all time? Okaaaay. :rolleyes:

I also find it funny how you are contradicting yourself the whole time. You used as an argument against Kobe that some of his best games came against teams they were favourites to win, that it wasn't a do or die game. Well the same can be said for AI's finals game (this was an upset, but does anyone really believe this is a top 25 moment? Hardly. First time I ever heard such a thing), Barkley's 54 against the Warriors (not in your top 25 though), heck, even Lebron's Heat were favourites to win the '11 series against the Celtics (although I have to admit, Lebron's previous choke jobs against the green gremlins added an extra spectacle to the proceedings), yet you list his game 6 as one of your top moments.

Furthermore you go on to hold it against Kobe that he does not have more (in your opinion) top moments, and you use this as a tool to question Kobe's top 10 alltime status, yet where is numerous moments of Magic, Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq etc on your list...? Double standard much?? I think several posters have proven you wrong many times throughout this thread, and it is quite clear why you won't own up to it. If it weren't for your bias, Kobe's 4th quarter play and oop to Shaq, OT Finals game without shaq, 48/45 back to back against the WesternConference finest, and game 6 shots and pat on back of Gentry are all moments that possibly could find a spot on your list.

In the end it is all subjective of course, but at least be real about shit. Kobe has had plenty of playoff moments, and just because you have an agenda and seem to come with a selective memory, don't try and act like it didn't happen. You'll find it annoying in 10 years time as well when the new kids will try to discredit Lebron.

[Trollsmasher]

I mean, even if Kobe had some memorable good games, his most memorable still is

THE 6-24 GAME

It is just the way of it.

MJ had bad games, but his greatness overcame those. LeBron had bad games and his butthurt haters will remember those forever, but his greatness still overcame those.

Kobe simply did not manage to do that.

[Human Error]

Kobe the ultimate freeriding coattailor. By far the most overrated superstar in history.

[Magic 32]

MJ had bad games, but his greatness overcame those. LeBron had bad games and his butthurt haters will remember those forever, but his greatness still overcame those.

Kobe simply did not manage to do that.

Wait...what?

http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo47/landlord15/kobe-s-celebration-game-7-o.gif

[Solefade]

I agree that refs gave them that win, but that has nothing to do with Kobe putting down great numbers.


The refs giving the Lakers that series was more memorable than Kobe's performance despite the numbers lol :confusedshrug:

[Deuce Bigalow]

The top 2 plays of the last decade were Kobe plays in the playoffs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUdx3lEUhy8

[PickernRoller]

Too many Lebron fans in this thread...........oh wait...:lol

[2010splash]

Those games you mentioned from lebron are not memorable outside of his fans, they are just good games which is the same for kobes 40 point games.


memorable is something specific that stands out like a key shot (magic) or things like the flu (jordan). The most memorable moment this season to me was currys 55 pt game (him going crazy from the 3pt line is what makes it memorable) though it wasnt a playoff game
Are you joking? :roll: :roll:

Everybody older than 15 who follows the NBA playoffs remembers the Game 5 at Detroit. Everybody remembers the 45/15/5 one-man dismantling of Boston in Game 6. Everybody's going to remember LeBron's title-clinching jumper in Game 7. Those are signature, career-defining playoff moments.

Kobe has nothing besides random 40-point games. If I expanded the list of "legendary games" to include all 40-point games or all 40/10 games, then LeBron would probably have like 15 of them.

The difference is that you Kobe stans don't realize that a signature game goes beyond the box score. It's a playoff game where one player single-handedly imposes his will and dismantles the other team. And ideally it is done WHEN IT ACTUALLY MATTERS (Game 6 when down 3-2, a winner take all Game 7, etc.). Simply scoring 40 points does not make a game legendary. Otherwise I can pretty much list 20 random playoff games of LeBron and call them legendary.

[kennethgriffin]

The top 2 plays of the last decade were Kobe plays in the playoffs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUdx3lEUhy8


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dat ether

[chazzy]

In today's edition of Incredible 2010splash Flipflopping:


Kobe has never had a supporting cast like LeBron. Despite this LeBron choked in the Finals against the underdog Mavs who were basically all role players except Dirk.

If LeBron couldn't win with prime Wade and Bosh, he sure as hell couldn't have won squat with Gasol (pretty much Bosh's equal) and Odom/Ariza/Fisher/Artest etc.


Easily Kobe.

Why? Because Dwyane Wade is overrated and kind of sucks.

Wade needed prime Shaq and prime LeBron + Bosh to win his titles (Yeah I know MIAMI THRICE ain't won jack yet, but they will).

Kobe needed Gasol and role players to win his titles.

Give me a true alpha dog any day of the week instead of a sissy 2nd fiddle like STDWade.:rockon:

[INDI]

Are you joking? :roll: :roll:

Everybody older than 15 who follows the NBA playoffs remembers the Game 5 at Detroit. Everybody remembers the 45/15/5 one-man dismantling of Boston in Game 6. Everybody's going to remember LeBron's title-clinching jumper in Game 7. Those are signature, career-defining playoff moments.

Kobe has nothing besides random 40-point games. If I expanded the list of "legendary games" to include all 40-point games or all 40/10 games, then LeBron would probably have like 15 of them.

The difference is that you Kobe stans don't realize that a signature game goes beyond the box score. It's a playoff game where one player single-handedly imposes his will and dismantles the other team. And ideally it is done WHEN IT ACTUALLY MATTERS (Game 6 when down 3-2, a winner take all Game 7, etc.). Simply scoring 40 points does not make a game legendary. Otherwise I can pretty much list 20 random playoff games of LeBron and call them legendary.

People have already mentioned several games in this thread that stands out for kobe. There has also been mention of several key plays that you continuously brush under the rug.

there is no such thing as a regular 40 point playoff game, especially when it is accompanied with double digits in rebs or assts.

take the hater goggles off and appreciate greatness. You will miss him when he's gone.

[eliteballer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLOMEmRQ40U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NacZzdMP4C0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNQPFCjBCIg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRa3QXoppJ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8N4kzL3A80

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpArN4LbTI0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jamZf5u5jCw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teIq5v0tTnY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Lp5aQq4zI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvo_ca9cTjk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3Wb9fSzefk

[Ne 1]

The hand switch in the '91 Finals is overrated as hell.
It wasn't necessary, and its honestly not that difficult.

It was just an uncontested layup with A.C. Green and Sam Perkins standing nearby.Kobe's falling, double-clutch banker over the Defensive Player of the Year Dwight Howard, who was all over him was way more impressive.

But the only problem with Kobe's shot was that it was Mike Breen and his dead commentary that called the play.

If it was Marv Albert giving the "Oh! A Spectacular Move by Kobe Bryant!!!" then it would've not just looked better but also sounded better and gone down as "legendary, memorable moment."

As much as people don't realize Marv's commentary on Jordan's move made it even more special and "memorable" than it really is

[Ne 1]

Oh yeah, I'm n sure if this true but I wouldn't doubt it, I read somewhere that JVG asked Breen and Marc Jackson to tone it down with the Lakers love because they were playing his brother.

[The-Legend-24]

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[sportjames23]

The hand switch in the '91 Finals is overrated as hell.
It wasn't necessary, and its honestly not that difficult.

It was just an uncontested layup with A.C. Green and Sam Perkins standing nearby.Kobe's falling, double-clutch banker over the Defensive Player of the Year Dwight Howard, who was all over him was way more impressive.

But the only problem with Kobe's shot was that it was Mike Breen and his dead commentary that called the play.

If it was Marv Albert giving the "Oh! A Spectacular Move by Kobe Bryant!!!" then it would've not just looked better but also sounded better and gone down as "legendary, memorable moment."

As much as people don't realize Marv's commentary on Jordan's move made it even more special and "memorable" than it really is


Tape yourself doing and post it here, or else STFU and GTFO.

MJ thought Perkins was gonna contest it, that's why he did it. Perkins made a slight move like he was gonna challenge it, but thought better. MJ's on video saying that's why he switched.

[KG215]

In today's edition of Incredible 2010splash Flipflopping:
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But it was his friend who posted all those things!

[guy]

People generally remember recent events more clearly than past events unless a past event is replayed repeatedly. I think, for Bryant, his clutch play against the Suns makes the list in addition to his alley to Shaq as singular plays that stand out. The OP said "I swear, dude doesn't have any real memorable games to speak of." I think that has been refuted roundly and repeatedly in this thread. He's had a number of memorable games and performances, but I suspect the issue is partly that people don't remember them because they haven't been watching basketball for all that long.

However, I can't fully adopt that hypothesis because he had pretty memorable games in his 2008-2010 run. An alternate theory would be that people are so busy diminishing and marginalizing whatever he does that many refuse to give him much credit for great play. Just a few years ago, he put up 34/7/8 on 52% shooting, 43% from the 3 point line against Phoenix... and that game 6 was especially memorable to reach the NBA finals. The fact that people claim they don't remember that series and his play is a little peculiar, especially coming from people who claim to remember his air-balls against Utah 17 or so years ago.

34/7/8 is a regular great game from a Jordan, Lebron, or Kobe. Its not something out of the ordinary. I'm not saying its their average game, but you see them have games like that quite frequently. The 2010 Phoenix series is arguably Kobe's greatest series, and it is an all-time great series, but there wasn't some specific moment or performance that really sticks out.



Here is the list you provided.



I don't see Shaq, Duncan, Oscar, Hakeem or Wilt's names on that list. It's perplexing that these guys, all generally discussed in top 10 lists, don't have a top 25 playoff memorable moment of all-time all of their own...

Not really. Oscar and Wilt played a real long time ago when the NBA wasn't covered as much or as well. Shaq, Duncan, and Hakeem are big men who's game isn't thought of as entertaining, and Duncan and Hakeem are both considered to have boring personalities. Maybe I shouldn't have brought up Kobe being in the top 10, but that he is a top 2-4 covered/hyped up/discussed about NBA athlete of the modern era i.e. the last 30-40 years (along with Jordan, Magic, and Lebron). Its perplexing that that player doesn't have those playoff moments or performances that are as highly regarded.

[guy]

So you just decided by yourself what is the official 25 most memorable Playoff moments of all time? Okaaaay. :rolleyes:

I gave an opinion and it seems like not many people think there's much wrong with it since no one has disputed that there were other moments that were more memorable then those on that list.



I also find it funny how you are contradicting yourself the whole time. You used as an argument against Kobe that some of his best games came against teams they were favourites to win, that it wasn't a do or die game. Well the same can be said for AI's finals game (this was an upset, but does anyone really believe this is a top 25 moment? Hardly. First time I ever heard such a thing), Barkley's 54 against the Warriors (not in your top 25 though), heck, even Lebron's Heat were favourites to win the '11 series against the Celtics (although I have to admit, Lebron's previous choke jobs against the green gremlins added an extra spectacle to the proceedings), yet you list his game 6 as one of your top moments.

Comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it? I said great performances where a player is facing adversity tend to be remembered more i.e. do or die games, game 7s, game 6s down 3-2, games as huge underdogs. I never said it should be all those things at once. Games like that will tend to be remembered more then a great performance in a closeout game where a team is up 3-0 for example. Same reason why even Jordan has so many great moments/performances that are relatively forgotten.



Furthermore you go on to hold it against Kobe that he does not have more (in your opinion) top moments, and you use this as a tool to question Kobe's top 10 alltime status, yet where is numerous moments of Magic, Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq etc on your list...? Double standard much?? I think several posters have proven you wrong many times throughout this thread, and it is quite clear why you won't own up to it. If it weren't for your bias, Kobe's 4th quarter play and oop to Shaq, OT Finals game without shaq, 48/45 back to back against the WesternConference finest, and game 6 shots and pat on back of Gentry are all moments that possibly could find a spot on your list.


Except I never questioned Kobe's top 10 status and I mentioned how other great players are in the same situation.



In the end it is all subjective of course, but at least be real about shit. Kobe has had plenty of playoff moments, and just because you have an agenda and seem to come with a selective memory, don't try and act like it didn't happen. You'll find it annoying in 10 years time as well when the new kids will try to discredit Lebron.

I never said Kobe doesn't have plenty of playoff moments. Just not many that are considered up there with the greatest of the greatest moments of all-time i.e. top 25 or so. I could care less if they do that about Lebron cause I'm not a fan at all, but I can't deny that its highly likely that those two performances will continue to be considered two of the greatest and most memorable of all-time.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Thread is asenine, Kobe has tons of memorable postseason moments. His hero-attempt bricks set up more thrilling last second shots from guys like Horry and Fisher than anyone else in history set up by missing shots.

If it werent for Kobe missing so many times in the clutch, a lot of actual clutch stars and moments would have never emerged.

Kobe = GOAT unintentional setup man.