Kobe is only 676 points away from passing MJ....

[9erempiree]

After 17 years and watching Kobe his entire career, it's pretty amazing that he's going to pass up the great Michael Jordan on the all time scoring list.

I thought last year was great, when he passed up Wilt freaking Chamberlain.

Very monumental moment this year and it will be the same next year.

Here's to the Mamba. :cheers:

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Kobe taking 17 years to pass Jordan is kind of like the time 9erempiree needed 5 tries to pass 9th grade algebra.

Yeah, you finally did it. Took you a lot more tries though.

Kobe career games played : 1,239
Michael career games played: 1,072

He's already 162 games over and still hasn't passed him.

[jstern]

After 17 years and watching Kobe his entire career, it's pretty amazing that he's going to pass up the great Michael Jordan on the all time scoring list.

I thought last year was great, when he passed up Wilt freaking Chamberlain.

Very monumental moment this year and it will be the same next year.

Here's to the Mamba. :cheers:
His entire career? I thought you were like 14.

Would have been cooler if he was 666 points away. And closer.

[9erempiree]

Kobe career games played : 1,239
Michael career games played: 1,072


You cannot blame Kobe for being a much more durable player than MJ. Don't fault Kobe because MJ needed two years vacation to recover.

Like I said, you guys think it's bad to play in more games when I think it shows how tough that player is.

[DCL]

it doesn't change anything or anyone's point of view about him.

so it's not any significant event either way.

[fpliii]

Hopefully he's ready early in the season. Dwight, you're bitch made if you leave LA.

[kNicKz]

Kobe taking 17 years to pass Jordan is kind of like the time 9erempiree needed 5 tries to pass 9th grade algebra.

Yeah, you finally did it. Took you a lot more tries though.

Kobe career games played : 1,239
Michael career games played: 1,072

He's already 162 games over and still hasn't passed him.

:coleman:

It took him a couple more seasons to pass michael jordan? He sucks!!! awful

[9erempiree]

it doesn't change anything or anyone's point of view about him.

so it's not any significant event either way.

I know many people won't care he passes up MJ because the bigger picture is being the all time leader.

I know MJ is some guy he has to shat on to get to the top but it's pretty significant in my eyes.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

but it's pretty significant in my eyes.

Must be hard to see anything in those kobe jizz covered eyes.

Want to know what's really significant when talking about all-time scorers?

1. Michael Jordan - 30.1 ppg

3. LeBron James - 27.6 ppg
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11. Kobe Bryant - 25.5 ppg

[rhythmic]

Once he passes Jordan, he'd already be the leading scorer for guards. That alone is a huge milestone, IMO.

If he breaks the all-time scoring record, makes the playoffs 2-3 more times, wins 1 more FMVP + championship, and become an all-time playoff leader in points; he'd be easily top five. I don't think a single poster on this board can deny that; especially if he wins 1/2 more 1st team All-NBA honours & 2/3 more all-star selections.

If he simply breaks the all-time record and somehow only averages around 20 PPG for the next 3-4 years; I don't think he'd move any higher on my list. I have him 7th right now I'd say behind Russell, Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Wilt & Bird...MAYBE I'd place him above Bird on my list (at 6th) if he becomes the leading point scorer (and does so efficiently).

[rhythmic]

Must be hard to see anything in those kobe jizz covered eyes.

Want to know what's really significant when talking about all-time scorers?

1. Michael Jordan - 30.1 ppg

3. LeBron James - 27.6 ppg
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11. Kobe Bryant - 25.5 ppg

1) Kobe came right out of high school and was a bench player for the first 2-3 years.
2) Kobe was a 2nd option behind Shaquille for about 8 years; something both Jordan & LeBron would have been too if they joined the Lakers while Shaq was there as rookies.
3) LeBron & Jordan always had their own team from the get-go.
4) Kobe (if you take pace into account) has had the most dominant scoring season of all-time in 2006.
5) 25.5 PPG is still incredible, considering he had to share the ball with Shaq for half of his damn career.

[Andrei89]

:applause: :applause: :applause:

And only missed like 1623162321 more shots

[9erempiree]

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[3LiftHeatCurse]

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[9erempiree]

:applause: :applause: :applause:

And only missed like 1623162321 more shots

Phil always said he trusted Kobe more and that Kobe was the guy to take shots. MJ had great teammates that can take shots away from MJ. MJ didn't shoot enough to miss.

He also took 2 years off in his prime and 4 years off again before coming back to the Wizards. We don't know what MJ would do if he played consecutive years in his career.

[rhythmic]

Jordan 86-87 = 37.1 ppg, on 48% FG shooting.

Thanks.

I clearly said when you take pace into account; Kobe had the most dominant scoring season ever.

reading comprehension?

[3LiftHeatCurse]

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[9erempiree]

I don't take selective cherry picking seriously. "Take pace into account", anyone could do that to make the side they want look better.

I could say, "Take the lack of technical fouls and flagrants into account" to help Jordan.

I could say, "The NBA changed the defensive 3 second rule in 2001 to help speed up play" and that benefit Kobe, and hurt Jordan.


but really, you are just making crap up. Accept it.

Jordan 1986-87 = 37.1 ppg on 48% FG

I didn't even bring up Chamberlain.

Well, he's right. Pace affects scoring more than technical and flagrants.

[tmacattack33]

...and i don't even have to look at the stat for this, but i'm sure he's very close to or already has passed MJ on the field goal attempts list.

[AintNoSunshine]

That's good, i thought it's going to take him 20 years to pass MJ, it only took 17 :applause:

[9erempiree]

That's good, i thought it's going to take him 20 years to pass MJ, it only took 17 :applause:

Probably something that MJ dreamed of doing. We knew he wanted to play more years. MJ just couldn't cut it.

[Dragonyeuw]

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[SavageMode]

Kobe taking 17 years to pass Jordan is kind of like the time 9erempiree needed 5 tries to pass 9th grade algebra.

Yeah, you finally did it. Took you a lot more tries though.

Kobe career games played : 1,239
Michael career games played: 1,072

He's already 162 games over and still hasn't passed him.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :applause: :roll:

[Magic 32]

-Jordan missed almost the entire 1986 season, and in limited time and games( 17 I think?) averaged 22ppg. Considering he averaged 28ppg as a rookie, it's reasonable to extrapolate that this season represents potentially 30+ ppg and 2000+ missing from Jordan's average and point totals.



Kobe played 2 lockout seasons. Just sayin'.

[lakerspng]

can't believe retards are acting like this is a knock on Kobe. the stupidty of some people. He's going to be #3 on the all time scoring list. That is epic, thousands of other players have failed to do so, including the other 8 on most people's top 10 all time greats list. It's a great accomplishment. f@ck off and stop being childish.

[chosen_one6]

Kobe fans better enjoy it while it last. LeBron and Durant are going to pass Kobe in 7-10 years.

[LikeABosh]

How many more games played and fg attempts?

[SpecialQue]

I love Lebron fans talking shit about how many shots it took Kobe to get there. Hey, if we're going to use that against him, can we also use garbage-time stat padding against Lebron?

[kennethgriffin]

don't really understand the idiotic mj fans in this thread

jordan took allot more shots per game his whole career

the real career scoring record isnt points per game. because you could get that and only be good for 5 years. then retire after a bad injury or get those stats playing on a crappy team


its way harder to sustain a level of dominance for nearly 20 years of consistant 25+ppg greatness than to play 13 years of 31ppg and finish off your 14th and 15th seasons as a bum


longevity is a quality. kobe averaging 27ppg in his 17th year isnt anything to spit at


kobes mileage is just better than jordans. and lol@ anyone thinking he'l stop at him. he'l pass kareem in 3 years and by then nobody will care it took kobe till age 37 to pass a guy who got to the same point total by age 41

then people will say "kobe passed the all time leading scorer at a younger age and in less seasons... jordans name will be nowhere to be found anyway. cause hes at 3rd and soon to be 4th all time leading scorer



infact... lebron and durant will also both pass jordan and knock that fool out of the top 5

:lol

[dh144498]

Must be hard to see anything in those kobe jizz covered eyes.

Want to know what's really significant when talking about all-time scorers?

1. Michael Jordan - 30.1 ppg

3. LeBron James - 27.6 ppg
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11. Kobe Bryant - 25.5 ppg

A.I. averages 27ppg, doesn't mean he's a better scorer than Kobe.
:coleman:

[kennethgriffin]

the guy kobes chasing averaged 24ppg for his career. and hes the greatest scorer in the history of the game






















cap

[INDI]

Kobe fans better enjoy it while it last. LeBron and Durant are going to pass Kobe in 7-10 years.

I doubt durant stays and lebron will doesnt care about scoring records

[Dragonyeuw]

Kobe played 2 lockout seasons. Just sayin'.

And in both cases, played more games than Jordan's 86 and 95 seasons, just sayin....

Look, the reality is Jordan and Kobe's careers really aren't similar in the way they played out. There's all kinds of subjectivity that can be tossed into the argument and spun to suit the agenda. Jordan and Lebron's careers are far more comparable as they were both drafted onto loser franchises and took the reins from day one. And even then, Lebron had already played 3 seasons by the time he was Jordan's rookie age. All these guys coming into the league at 18/19 pretty much have some kind of leg up in terms of all-time stats and totals; they'll have played longer than guys from 20 years ago to amass higher total stats.

[truhooper]

Must be hard to see anything in those kobe jizz covered eyes.

Want to know what's really significant when talking about all-time scorers?

1. Michael Jordan - 30.1 ppg

3. LeBron James - 27.6 ppg
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11. Kobe Bryant - 25.5 ppg

that shit stank don't it :lebronamazed:

[IncarceratedBob]

So it should take him around 15-20 games huh? I wanna get tickets to that game

[Jailblazers7]

Phil always said he trusted Kobe more and that Kobe was the guy to take shots. MJ had great teammates that can take shots away from MJ. MJ didn't shoot enough to miss.

He also took 2 years off in his prime and 4 years off again before coming back to the Wizards. We don't know what MJ would do if he played consecutive years in his career.

:oldlol:

Jordan's FGA per game over his career match up with Kobe's pretty precisely, except that Jordan normally shot a little more.

[Odinn]

Jordan tried 24537 fgas and 8772 ftas.
Kobe tried 24301 fgas and 9468 ftas.

If Jordan hit all of his attempts, he would have scored 59624 points.
If Kobe hit all of his attempts, he would have scored 62949 points.

Kobe played 167 more games. Still needs 676 points.

What's the point of keeping this idiotic claims?

[IncarceratedBob]

Kobe has challenged himself to become a great 3pt shooter, so of course his FGs are gonna be skewed.

Jordan was afraid of 3 pters

[TheWalkman]

You cannot blame Kobe for being a much more durable player

http://www.diehardsport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/KobeInjuredWarriors.gif


Kobe has challenged himself to become a great 3pt shooter, so of course his FGs are gonna be skewed.

Jordan was afraid of 3 pters

http://i.minus.com/i79dPrjNTeMBy.gif

[Calabis]

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[jzek]

Keep in mind:

Kobe came out of HS (so he has more NBA years than Jordan)
Jordan retired for two years


This copycat will always be second-rate to Jordan.

[dh144498]

Kobe's first two seasons 3159 minutes played/ Jordans first two seasons 3595 minutes played wait for it .................9 whole more entire 48 minute games than Kobe at that point.


can't compare it like that. Look at games played.
MJ played 89 games in those 2 seasons while Kobe played 150.

[jongib369]

Great accomplishment but in terms of legacy I don't think it will say much of anything other than he was a great scorer who started out really young and played a long time.

[Calabis]

Keep in mind:

Kobe came out of HS (so he has more NBA years than Jordan)
Jordan retired for two years


This copycat will always be second-rate to Jordan.

Don't forget he was a much better player than Jordan at age 18, so he should have been as good as 21 year old rookie Jordan......but :confusedshrug:

[alleykat]

Amazing. That's a big accomplishment. Wont put him in front of Jordan all time, but I still don't see how it's a bad thing....

Maybe change title of thread....

[AintNoSunshine]

Probably something that MJ dreamed of doing. We knew he wanted to play more years. MJ just couldn't cut it.


Yea, too bad there's no competition to keep him motivated enough, he destroyed them all and got bored of it and went to play baseball.

[KG215]

I doubt durant stays and lebron will doesnt care about scoring records
You doubt Durant stays?? Stays what?

And LeBron may not care about scoring, but he's still going to be scoring probably anywhere from 25-28 PPG for at least another 5 years or so. He's just too talented and too efficient to all of a sudden drop-off all the way down closer to 20 PPG.

[Asukal]

Talk to me when Kobe surpasses 30.1 ppg. :sleeping

[ILLsmak]

A.I. averages 27ppg, doesn't mean he's a better scorer than Kobe.
:coleman:

Heh, in most cases I disagree with stats as representation of who is better, but in my mind it's pretty obvious AI is a better scorer than Kobe.

-Smak

[andgar923]

Kobe averaged 28ppg in 2001, 25ppg in 2002, 30ppg in 2003, 24ppg in 2004, all with Shaq in the lineup. Once he reached that level of play at age 22, you can't really make the argument that Shaq 'held' back his scoring because those averages equate to about 27ppg, which is consistent with what he's done the last 9 years without Shaq, exception being the 2006 season when he had few options around him. The early 2000 Lakers offense was pretty much dependent on Shaq and Kobe putting up 28ppg or thereabouts, and a trickle of points from people like Fox, Fisher and Horry.

People like to bring up Shaq, and starting young and riding the bench for 3 years, as reasons for Kobe's lower averages and slower scoring pace but conveniently forget that:


-Jordan missed almost the entire 1986 season, and in limited time and games( 17 I think?) averaged 22ppg. Considering he averaged 28ppg as a rookie, it's reasonable to extrapolate that this season represents potentially 30+ ppg and 2000+ missing from Jordan's average and point totals.

-'Retired' for 1993-94, another year of 30ppg and 2000+ points lost.

-Jordan missed the majority of the 1995 season,after averaging 32.6 the prior year. Another year of 30ppg and 2000+ points likely lost....

It's very likely that taking these things into account, Jordan might very well have been close to Kareem's scoring mark by the time he left the Bulls in 1998. Of course it's all 'ifs and maybes' speculation, just like Shaq holding back Kobe from the outset. The reality is that it's nothing but speculation to argue that had 18 year Kobe joined the Lakers without Shaq, that he would have blitzed the league scoring-wise as a rookie. There's no irrefutable evidence to make that conclusion, considering he neither had the ability or physicality to crack the starting lineup at 18. We have no idea of knowing how a young Kobe would have reacted to being the focus of defenses from the outset of his career.

The reality is it took him 4 years to reach a point where he was capable of scoring 20+ points a game, whether you attribute that to 'not being good enough' at first or 'Shaq held him back' is speculation at best. Lebron at 19 would have cracked the Lakers starting lineup and contributed right away, because he was more NBA ready and we have his rookie season as evidence that he was able to handle being the center of opposing teams defensive schemes from the get-go.

One of the best posts I've read here. :applause: :cheers:

Outside of perhaps one maybe 2 seasons, there's no real evidence that Kobe can average the amount of points his fans think he would if it wasn't for Shaq.

As has been mentioned repeatedly, Shaq allowed him to blossom, he allowed him to make mistakes and learn on the job. Kobe fans think Shaq held him back when in reality he helped him more than they'll even know. Kobe stunk up the place for the most part even tho he had Shaq and other vets to get his back, imagine if he was in Bron's situation from day 1?

It's a joke to even think about.