LeBron James & Kobe Bryant Career Comparison

[WayOfWade]

I WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT IF THIS THREAD WEREN'T DELETED.
I did not create this thread to start arguments, I made it to educate myself and others on the careers of LeBron James and Kobe Bryant. This isn't your typical KOBE VS. LEBRON thread, this is purely stats and facts for your enjoyment.

LeBron James vs. Kobe Bryant

LeBron James: SF, 240 LBS, 28 Years old, 10 years

[Solefade]

great informative post.


This should be stickied tbh, 90% of threads on this forum are lebron/kobe anyway

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

haven't seen Kobe-Lebron comparisons before.

good stuff.

[Psycho]

Here's the only stat you need, nerd.

5>1.5*

Lebron is balding :lol

[Inferno]

:cheers: :cheers:

[Bandito]

Before retardeness develops I ask of respectable Ish members to stop feeding the trolls.

[I<3NBA]

amazing how in most stats, if Lebron is not leading, he's just behind by a bit. considering the 7 year headstart Kobe has had, that is amazing.

[PickernRoller]

STATS, STATS EVERYWHERE!

:rolleyes:

[AintNoSunshine]

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[INDI]

amazing how in most stats, if Lebron is not leading, he's just behind by a bit. considering the 7 year headstart Kobe has had, that is amazing.

Yeah I noticed that also. I really believe Kobe's first few years of coming off the bench hurts him in comparisons like these. I would like to see his comparisons minus the first 3 years of each players careers.

[Draz]

Yeah I noticed that also. I really believe Kobe's first few years of coming off the bench hurts him in comparisons like these. I would like to see his comparisons minus the first 3 years of each players careers.
Why?? Not lebrons fault Kobe's coming off the bench df?

[talkingconch]

Yeah I noticed that also. I really believe Kobe's first few years of coming off the bench hurts him in comparisons like these. I would like to see his comparisons minus the first 3 years of each players careers.
Its really difficult to compare. Lebron had the start from the go as well. He is also bigger and stronger. He plays SF/PF so rebounding will be greater. Most of his points are higher % pts around the basket (layups & dunks).

[rzp]

Yeah I noticed that also. I really believe Kobe's first few years of coming off the bench hurts him in comparisons like these. I would like to see his comparisons minus the first 3 years of each players careers.

there is a reason for that right?

[ripthekik]

amount of times jumping ship to another team??
amount of times playing <40 win team in first round??

[Aussie Dunker]

Lebrons playoff highlight game 7 vs celtics? It would rank right up there, but I think Lebrons 4th qtr / overtime final 25 points for the cavs including game winner against one of the best defensive teams of this generation in a Game 6 against the Pistons is by far the best stretch of play he has ever had by far...

[rule1223]

amazing how in most stats, if Lebron is not leading, he's just behind by a bit. considering the 7 year headstart Kobe has had, that is amazing.
not rly that unexpected considering lebron is the greatest stat padder of all time

[WayOfWade]

Lebrons playoff highlight game 7 vs celtics? It would rank right up there, but I think Lebrons 4th qtr / overtime final 25 points for the cavs including game winner against one of the best defensive teams of this generation in a Game 6 against the Pistons is by far the best stretch of play he has ever had by far...
I respect your pick, that was a fantastic game, the likes of which won't be seen for quite some time, and you can't go wrong with that. It all just depends on your opinion. I just chose the Boston game because everything hinged on that game, his legacy, his team, etc... You can't go wrong either way.

[Aussie Dunker]

I respect your pick, that was a fantastic game, the likes of which won't be seen for quite some time, and you can't go wrong with that. It all just depends on your opinion. I just chose the Boston game because everything hinged on that game, his legacy, his team, etc... You can't go wrong either way.

And ended up winning the championship from it, so your pick also makes sense too :cheers:

Be interesting to look back in 20 years to see what is regarded as his "moment in history"

[tazb]

Assists:
-Kobe: 5,145
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[rule1223]

[QUOTE=tazb]Assists:
-Kobe: 5,145
-

[Nevaeh]

"I was going to stay out there until I got it," James said. "I wasn't going to let this one slip away. I've had too many games where I was one assist, one rebound away. I wasn't coming out."

81pts

:rolleyes:



Yeah I noticed that also. I really believe Kobe's first few years of coming off the bench hurts him in comparisons like these. I would like to see his comparisons minus the first 3 years of each players careers.

Why? They both came into the League as HS players at the same age. Kobe's years only "hurt" him because he simply wasn't on Lebron's level during the same time frame, as was proven by Lebron winning ROY.

Anyway, thx op for at least tring to keep things civil.

:cheers:

[sundizz]

I love stats and it's fun, but Bron and Kobe are the epitome of the eye test.

If you have a goodish team Kobe will get you to the finals and likely win it. He does it with determination, anger, and hard work. Sometimes this works and gets mediocre-good players to play better (aka Farmar, Vujacic, Pau Gasol, Kwame, Smush, Odom, etc). They become household names for that time period they are with him. He probably leads the league in terms of scrub players (players that either don't play in the NBA anymore, or are barely on a team/not producing) that were starters, or critical parts of the team. This type of leadership is only good for 1 to 2 years, as eventually it wears on people, unless they are rock solid like Fisher. Occasionally, this gets to the point where he is so stubborn that he will not change, even for the betterment of the team. It worked for him 5 times. He doesn't know any other way to be and it is both his blessing and his curse. Though he unquestionably has the skills to age gracefully, it is questionable if he has the mentality to recognize how to do it.

Lebron is a much better physical specimen and can do 2x as much as Kobe on the basketball court. He literally is one of the few ever that can effortlessly carry a team. He can literally do everything on the floor. The problem is that level of overbearing ability makes everyone else question their ability, and what they should/need to do out on the floor. Even though he is an unbelievable passer, it comes at the expense of people doubting their level of ability. As such, he can take any shitty team in the league and make it into a playoff team and decent chance of a contender. His problem is that he isn't a killer. He sometimes is. He sometimes isn't. He's human and normal just like the rest of us. It shows us, he loses confidence, and it gets ugly sometimes. Usually it only lasts for a game or two, but sometimes it affects him at times that are too important (Mavs series). In reality, he should be the GOAT easily. He dominates NBA players like they are little kids playing against him sometimes. He's got a pg speed, a PF's strength, an elite sg hops, and the agility of non human species.

In essence one wins because he has all the values of a pure cold-blooder, do what it takes winner (though we all know there is only one person ever who's better at this than him), and the other wins because he is basically a God on the court with human flaws.

A prime Kobe and a prime Lebron (with the Bulls 6-time champ roster) vs. prime Jordan and prime Scottie. Now that is a series I'd give a month's salary to see.

[SpaceJammeR]

and this is why kobe fans hate lebron. don't stat the truth because it will start a war!

[I<3NBA]

not rly that unexpected considering lebron is the greatest stat padder of all time
because it isn't yet patently obvious that your boy is only now statpadding his all time scoring record to the detriment of his team, isn't it?

[Trollsmasher]

What is the point of per 36 minutes stat?:facepalm

[SilkkTheShocker]

Lebrons playoff highlight game 7 vs celtics? It would rank right up there, but I think Lebrons 4th qtr / overtime final 25 points for the cavs including game winner against one of the best defensive teams of this generation in a Game 6 against the Pistons is by far the best stretch of play he has ever had by far...

Probably this. LeBron had NO help that Pistons game. Detroit had the next best 5 players after LeBron.

[I<3NBA]

Probably this. LeBron had NO help that Pistons game. Detroit had the next best 5 players after LeBron.
it was that game that made me a Lebron fan.

[Jacks3]

Two amazing players. Both far, far superior to D-Whistle. :applause:

[zoom17]

Two amazing players. Both far, far superior to D-Whistle. :applause:

Dont hate on by boy D-Wade:rockon:

[Chrono90]

Kobe is a better scorer while Lebron is a better passer.

Lebron is more physically gifted and healthy in terms of injuries.

Kobe is more mentally ready. He will never be scared to take a shot or step up to a challenge.

Based on stats alone, Lebron wins. Based on titles, Kobe wins.

I think we really can't make a good comparison until Lebrons career ends.

When Lebron can't out run someone, when he can't jump over someone, when he has to play on 80% cause of injuries, can he still dominate???

We have to be patient and see.

[zoom17]

Kobe is a better scorer while Lebron is a better passer.

Lebron is more physically gifted and healthy in terms of injuries.

Kobe is more mentally ready. He will never be scared to take a shot or step up to a challenge.

Based on stats alone, Lebron wins. Based on titles, Kobe wins.

I think we really can't make a good comparison until Lebrons career ends.

When Lebron can't out run someone, when he can't jump over someone, when he has to play on 80% cause of injuries, can he still dominate???

Yes:cheers:

[Jameerthefear]

i forgot WoW went on a mission trip. Hope you're having fun man :cheers:

[Magic 32]

What is the point of per 36 minutes stat?:facepalm

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[Magic 32]

[QUOTE=WayOfWade]

Olympic Medals:
-Kobe: 2 (Golds)
[B]-

[Lebron23]

Next season it won't be a worthy comparison. Lebron would be a 5x MVP, 3x finals MVP, and 3x NBA champion.

[zoom17]

Next season it won't be a worthy comparison. Lebron would be a 5x MVP, 3x finals MVP, and 3x NBA champion.
:cheers:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Next season it won't be a worthy comparison. Lebron would be a 5x MVP, 3x finals MVP, and 3x NBA champion.
If LeBron does win another MVP, another ring, another FMVP ... it's indisputable. Right now it's still kind of suspect to argue Kobe over LeBron all-time. Tack all that onto his resume, and you can't make an argument for Kobe over him.

[funnystuff]

[QUOTE=tazb]Assists:
-Kobe: 5,145
-

[Hoopz2332]

Next season it won't be a worthy comparison. Lebron would be a 5x MVP, 3x finals MVP, and 3x NBA champion.



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[rlsmooth775]

Kobe has no argument over Lebron

[cos88]

which is better caviar and cocaine or beer and hotdogs?


for all you poor people ( jameerthefear, gobb, fiddy etc ) caviar is what poor people like you don't eat it's expensive

[Eye Test]

Kobe has no argument over Lebron

why would he? kobe is about 20 steps higher in the GOAT list, you dont compare them, kobes arguments are with players of his stature and winning pedigree

[FrobeShaw]

why would he? kobe is about 20 steps higher in the GOAT list, you dont compare them, kobes arguments are with players of his stature and winning pedigree
:biggums:

[Combat Wombat]

Kobe has no argument over Lebron

Actually, he has a very good argument over Lebron but seeing as you (along with most of the Lebron stans) never watched the NBA prior to Lebron joining two other All-Stars, you wouldn't understand it.

[Eye Test]

Actually, he has a very good argument over Lebron but seeing as you (along with most of the Lebron stans) never watched the NBA prior to Lebron joining two other All-Stars, you wouldn't understand it.

great post post, i really liked the part where kobe is better than lebron :applause:

[Combat Wombat]

great post post, i really liked the part where kobe is better than lebron :applause:

A lame response from a lame alt. Kindly continue to fondle Lebrons ******* in your mouth.:cheers:

[Eye Test]

A lame response from a lame alt. Kindly continue to fondle Lebrons ******* in your mouth.:cheers:

you must have misinterpreted me, i hate stat padding lebron, im truly sorry for this inconvinience, clutchbe is my god

[rlsmooth775]

Actually, he has a very good argument over Lebron but seeing as you (along with most of the Lebron stans) never watched the NBA prior to Lebron joining two other All-Stars, you wouldn't understand it.

Its very simple why Lebron is a better player. I prefer players who can put the ball in the basket without chucking. Im not a stan I just like watching good basketball

[Black and White]

A lame response from a lame alt. Kindly continue to fondle Lebrons ******* in your mouth.:cheers:

Jabbar is a massive Kobe fan, you probably won't find a better one on ISH lol

[FrobeShaw]

A lame response from a lame alt. Kindly continue to fondle Lebrons ******* in your mouth.:cheers:
:biggums:

[Combat Wombat]

Jabbar is a massive Kobe fan, you probably won't find a better one on ISH lol

:biggums: That's Mr. Jabbar? My bad.

[Black and White]

:biggums: That's Mr. Jabbar? My bad.

It's all good :cheers:

[Combat Wombat]

:biggums:

I guarantee you that this is my first account. I was a lurker since Feb 2013.

Can you say the same?

[FrobeShaw]

I guarantee you that this is my first account. I was a lurker since Feb 2013.

Can you say the same?
How would you know it's an alt? What if he was lurking since Feb 2013 like you?

[rlsmooth775]

The hype for Kobe is hilarious he's closer to Tracy Mcgrady and Vince Carter when you look at his games in playoffs and averages for the season I never understood the comparisons to Jordan. Not even close the nba just wanted ratings

[Angel Face]

well, at the end of the day. it's...

5 > 0.5* + 0.5* = 1**

2012 finals = collusion / lock out season
2013 finals = collusion / saved by Ray "Jesus" Allen

[Combat Wombat]

How would you know it's an alt? What if he was lurking since Feb 2013 like you?

:roll:

Your reply just about confirms it.

[FrobeShaw]

:roll:

Your reply just about confirms it.
That you exposed yourself?

[AnaheimLakers24]

kobe

[Trollsmasher]

A lame response from a lame alt. Kindly continue to fondle Lebrons ******* in your mouth.:cheers:
This ********** is trying really hard:lol

[Cold soul]

Kobe is the better player and has had better career.

[JebronLames]

Haha comparing these two is an insult to lebron.

[Joe Anderson]

well, at the end of the day. it's...

5 > 0.5* + 0.5* = 1**

2012 finals = collusion / lock out season
2013 finals = collusion / saved by Ray "Jesus" Allen
No, its 2 > 1.5*

2000 finals = role player outplayed by Austin Croshere
2001 finals = sidekick ring
2002 finals = Rigged WCF against the Kings, the greatest tragedy in sports history
2009 finals = 1st alpha dog ring
2010 finals = shoots 6-24 in the most important game of his career, gets bailed out by Artest, Pau, and the refs.
Add it all up Kobe has 1.5* rings. :cheers:

[Black and White]

Haha comparing these two is an insult to lebron.

Comparing LeBron to someone that has won more than him is a credit to LeBron actually.

[Combat Wombat]

That you exposed yourself?

:facepalm

Nice try, son.

I will happily do a perma-ban bet that you are an alt while this is my first account on this forum.

[Angel Face]

No, its 2 > 1.5*

2000 finals = role player outplayed by Austin Croshere
2001 finals = sidekick ring
2002 finals = Rigged WCF against the Kings, the greatest tragedy in sports history
2009 finals = 1st alpha dog ring
2010 finals = shoots 6-24 in the most important game of his career, gets bailed out by Artest, Pau, and the refs.
Add it all up Kobe has 1.5* rings. :cheers:

still 1.5*>1*

[Joe Anderson]

still 1.5*>1*
So you admit that Kobe has had his rings handed to him on a silver plater. Glad we can agree. :cheers:

[Eye Test]

Kobe is the better player and has had better career.

good post

[Cold soul]

good post

Thanks man! :cheers:

[GOATbe]

I'd sit here and write a long paragraph on why Kobe is superior in every way but what's the point of starting a "debate" I know I've already won?:rockon: .

5 rings
81 points

end of discussion.

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:applause:

[JebronLames]

I'd sit here and write a long paragraph on why Kobe is superior in every way but what's the point of starting a "debate" I know I've already won?:rockon: .

5 rings
81 points

end of discussion.

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:applause:
Highlight of Kobe's 2013 season
Highlight of LeBron's 2013 was better.

[Joe Anderson]

Highlight of Kobe's 2013 season
Highlight of LeBron's 2013 was better.
:applause: :applause:
The funny thing is that Kobe and Lebron faced off in two REAL games prior to this, and Lebron destroyed the Lakers both times! How come Kobe didn't shut Bron down when it counted?:confusedshrug:

[Solefade]

:applause: :applause:
The funny thing is that Kobe and Lebron faced off in two REAL games prior to this, and Lebron destroyed the Lakers both times! How come Kobe didn't shut Bron down when it counted?:confusedshrug:


:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[J Shuttlesworth]

5 rings
81 points


Werd. I'm glad that rings are the most important part. We all know Bill Russel > Jordan
:applause: :applause:
The funny thing is that Kobe and Lebron faced off in two REAL games prior to this, and Lebron destroyed the Lakers both times! How come Kobe didn't shut Bron down when it counted?:confusedshrug:
Isn't Kobe 6-13 against LeBron? :roll:

[GOATbe]

Highlight of Kobe's 2013 season
Highlight of LeBron's 2013 was better.
http://vins02925.edublogs.org/files/2011/04/Kobe-Bryant-Dunks-On-Lebron-James-1-1vrq6m8.jpg

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BA3y-etCEAEk9UU.jpg:large

Getting owned by 34 year old Godbe were the highlights of Lebrons 13 season and winning astericks in an injury ridden era has been lebrons highlights the past 2 years. :sleeping .

[J Shuttlesworth]

Getting owned by Godbe were the highlights of Lebrons 13 season and winning astericks in an injury ridden era has been lebrons highlights the past 2 years. :sleeping .
Ripthekik have to get a new AE since he got banned eh?

2FMVPs, 4 MVPS. You mad

[JebronLames]

He deserved 1.5 rings last year, carrying the Miami cavaliers.

[Joe Anderson]

Werd. I'm glad that rings are the most important part. We all know Bill Russel > Jordan
Isn't Kobe 6-13 against LeBron? :roll:
Actually I think he's 6-14 against Bron. Either record is pathetic for a supposed all time great. :roll:

[GOATbe]

Ripthekik have to get a new AE since he got banned eh?



Yea i'm an alt :rolleyes: . Why is that always every lebron rough riders final comeback when they have nothing to say to the truth?:roll:

[Joe Anderson]

He deserved 1.5 rings last year, carrying the Miami cavaliers.
Yep. Even basketball genius Bob Ryan said that NO ONE has ever done what Lebron did during last years playoffs in terms of the load he had to carry. Anyone who disagrees with that do me a favor, find the last Finals MVP whose sidekick averaged less than 16 ppg for an entire playoff run. I'll wait.

[FrobeShaw]

Yea i'm an alt :rolleyes: . Why is that always every lebron rough riders final comeback when they have nothing to say to the truth?:roll:

You're right. Pictures of all-star game blocks and 81 on the Raptors is pretty much irrefutable. :applause:

[Joe Anderson]

Yea i'm an alt :rolleyes: . Why is that always every lebron rough riders final comeback when they have nothing to say to the truth?:roll:
You are either an alt or you guys think and post the exact same arguments. Which one is more likely? :coleman:

[Angel Face]

So you admit that Kobe has had his rings handed to him on a silver plater. Glad we can agree. :cheers:

no, It actually came from you, you said kobe had, 1.5 rings... and lebron got 0.5 + 0.5=1* so it's.

1.5 > 1* based from you

while I got,

5 > 1*

[Illuminati]

Crazy how LeBron arguably has a better career than Kobe in only 11 years compared to 18. :oldlol:

[rip2]

Crazy how LeBron arguably has a better career than Kobe in only 11 years compared to 18. :oldlol:
Crazy how Kobe wins with only 1 all star (5 rings)
While all of Lebron's 2 rings are won with 2 all stars :roll: :roll: :roll:

[knicksman]

the stat that matters..

lebron career playoffs on/off +/- =8.2
kobe=8.3

lebron in the regular season =11.6:lol
kobe =6.8

and lebron in miami =12.6
playoffs =3.8

:lol how great is our dog, i mean god

[Joe Anderson]

Crazy how Kobe wins with only 1 all star (5 rings)
While all of Lebron's 2 rings are won with 2 all stars :roll: :roll: :roll:
All Stars who average 16 ppg and 12 ppg? :biggums:
Let's be honest, Bosh was an All Star due to nothing more than name recognition. Let me know when Lebron ever had a big man who averaged 20 ppg on 58 percent shooting for an entire playoff run? You can't? That's what I thought. :lol

[FrobeShaw]

Let me know when Lebron ever had a big man who averaged 20 ppg on 58 percent shooting for an entire playoff run? You can't? That's what I thought. :lol

At one point, Bosh was only one of two 20/10 bigs in the league. He hasn't regressed. He plays a different role. In fact, how are his stats even bad considering he's a third option? Why are you putting down Bosh to hype up LeBron, you dumbass stan? :wtf:

[rip2]

All Stars who average 16 ppg and 12 ppg? :biggums:
Let's be honest, Bosh was an All Star due to nothing more than name recognition. Let me know when Lebron ever had a big man who averaged 20 ppg on 58 percent shooting for an entire playoff run? You can't? That's what I thought. :lol
An all-star is an all-star. And most of the times he was chosen by coaches, not fans. That's not name recognition. He had a franchise on his back for 7 years, and yet this is how lebron stans think of him :facepalm

Who says every team requires a 20ppg big man? Has Kobe ever have another top SG like Wade who can come in a drop 40 pts in any game? You can't that's what I thought. See how stupid your arguments are?

Lebron = 2 rings with 2 all star teammates
Kobe = 5 rings with 1 all star teammate

Fact. Deal with it.

[Joe Anderson]

An all-star is an all-star. And most of the times he was chosen by coaches, not fans. That's not name recognition. He had a franchise on his back for 7 years, and yet this is how lebron stans think of him :facepalm

Who says every team requires a 20ppg big man? Has Kobe ever have another top SG like Wade who can come in a drop 40 pts in any game? You can't that's what I thought. See how stupid your arguments are?

Lebron = 2 rings with 2 all star teammates
Kobe = 5 rings with 1 all star teammate

Fact. Deal with it.
Kobe doesn't have a shooting guard who can drop that many points because he is the team's SG! :facepalm That's like me saying how come Lebron doesn't have another small forward who can average 27, 7, and 7. :wtf: Suggesting that an injured Wade could drop 40 points in any game is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!:roll:
Sorry, but Bosh carrying a lottery team doesn't impress me. Lamar Odom and Serge Ibaka could put up 20 and 10 a night too if they had been placed on lottery teams. Somebody on those teams has to score and rebound.

[Joe Anderson]

At one point, Bosh was only one of two 20/10 bigs in the league. He hasn't regressed. He plays a different role. In fact, how are his stats even bad considering he's a third option? Why are you putting down Bosh to hype up LeBron, you dumbass stan? :wtf:
Bosh is paid the same amount of money as Lebron, therefore he is expected to contribute more than 12 points and 6 boards. :facepalm I don't care what Bosh did in Toronto, what has he done lately? :biggums:

[JebronLames]

At one point, Bosh was only one of two 20/10 bigs in the league. He hasn't regressed. He plays a different role. In fact, how are his stats even bad considering he's a third option? Why are you putting down Bosh to hype up LeBron, you dumbass stan? :wtf:
Bosh has declined.

[Angel Face]

Bosh has declined.

He just dropped 37 points against Portland a few weeks ago.

[JebronLames]

He just dropped 37 points against Portland a few weeks ago.
Small sample size.

[Black and White]

Small sample size.

LeBron is a great finals performer because of what he did in game 7, small sample size.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LeBron is a great finals performer because of what he did in game 7, small sample size.
2012 OKC series:coleman: :facepalm

[Black and White]

2012 OKC series:coleman: :facepalm

2011 Mavs series :coleman: :facepalm

[JebronLames]

LeBron is a great finals performer because of what he did in game 7, small sample size.
Lol didn't say anything about that.

[Deuce Bigalow]

the stat that matters..

lebron career playoffs on/off +/- =8.2
kobe=8.3

lebron in the regular season =11.6:lol
kobe =6.8

and lebron in miami =12.6
playoffs =3.8

:lol how great is our dog, i mean god
Lebron -14.7 on-off in the 2011 Playoffs :biggums: Team made the NBA Finals.