YOUR top 10 players of all-time

[Electric Slide]

we all have rankings, what are yours ?

[WayOfWade]

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Magic
4. Kareem
5. Wilt
6. Bird
7. Kobe
8. Duncan
9. Shaq
10. LeBron

Honorable Mention: Dwyane Wade

[Ca$H]

1. Luke Walton
2. Keyon Clark
3. Slava Medvedenko
4. Kwame Brown
5. Smush Parker
6. Bill Wennington
7. Jud Buchler
8. DJ Mbenga
9. Kevin Ollie
10.Tierre Brown

[GilZero]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Russell
5. Wilt
6. Bird
7. Kobe/Shaq
8. Shaq/Kobe
9. Duncan
10. LeBron

[Scholar]

1. Luke Walton
2. Keyon Clark
3. Slava Medvedenko
4. Kwame Brown
5. Smush Parker
6. Bill Wennington
7. Jud Buchler
8. DJ Mbenga
9. Kevin Ollie
10.Tierre Brown

Just proves how great the Lakers are. 5 of the top 10 best were Lakers at one point or another.

[K]

1. Wilt Chamberlain
2. Shaquille O'Neal
3. Bill Russell
4. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
5. Hakeem Olajuwon
6. Michael Jordan
7. Tim Duncan
8. Magic Johnson
9. Larry Bird
10. Lebron James

[Bobcats2013]

1)David Stern
2)Joey Crawford
3)Dan Crawford
4)Brian Scalabrine
5)Darko Milicic
6)Michael Jordan
7)Lebron
8)Adam Morrison
9)Jared Jeffries
10)Kobe Bryant

[Mr. Jabbar]

1-My dad
2-My mom
3-My sister
4-My brother
5-My uncle
6-My aunt
7-My cousin
8-My dog
9-My cat
10- Op's mom

[imnew09]

[QUOTE=K

[SamuraiSWISH]

My top 5 GOAT list is players I've watched in context, live, real time, no replays ... no acting like I've seen Russell, Wilt, Jabbar, Oscar, West:

1. MJ
2. LeBron
3. Shaq
4. Hakeem
5. Kobe

[aj1987]

1. MJ
2. KAJ
3. Magic
4. Russell
5. Shaq
6. Wilt
7. Duncan
8. Bird
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem/Lebron

[Round Mound]

1-MJ
2-Wilt
3-Kareem
4-Hakeem
5-Shaq
6-Duncan
7-Lebron
8-Barkley
9-Bird
10-Magic

[branslowski]

1-MJ
2-Wilt
3-Kareem
4-Hakeem
5-Shaq
6-Duncan
7-Lebron
8-Barkley
9-Bird
10-Magic

This has to be the worst top 10 list I ever seen on this forum.

[Horatio33]

Jordan
Russell
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Kobe
LeBron
Hakeem
Wilt

[Round Mound]

This has to be the worst top 10 list I ever seen on this forum.

Why cause Sir Charles is there and Not Kobe?

Dominance > Popularity Contests, Votes, Fan Rankings, Media Hype etc

These Players Changed Their Positions Forever. Kobe? Just a Wannabe Copy Cat

[LEFT4DEAD]

MJ
Jabbar
Wilt
O'neal
Duncan
Magic/Bird
Bird/Magic
Oscar
Lebron
Kobe/Hakeem
Hakeem/Kobe
Russell

[ThaRegul8r]

My top 5 GOAT list is players I've watched in context, live, real time, no replays ... no acting like I've seen Russell, Wilt, Jabbar, Oscar, West:

1. MJ
2. LeBron
3. Shaq
4. Hakeem
5. Kobe

That's GIES (Greatest I've Ever Seen), not GOAT. I don't know why people insist on calling their lists "GOAT" lists when they're not.

[plowking]

Its very concerning to see a lot of people have Magic over Bird on their lists.

I guess people don't care who was considered the better player during their playing days. Magic has really worked his way up peoples lists after retirement.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

career list:

mj
br
kaj
wilt
bird
magic
shaq
duncan
Lebron
Hakeem
Kobe

[AintNoSunshine]

MJ
Jabbar
Bird
Magic
Wilt
Shaq
Duncan
Russell
Lebron
Olajuwon

[ThaRegul8r]

As far as my own list of top 10 players of all-time, #1 is this guy:

http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g425/cowlandrd/EAGLE%20%20%20OSPREY/GaryPlayer_zpsc258c915.jpg

The rest don't matter.

http://garyplayer.com/images/uploads/news/front_cover_dont_choke.jpg

[havoc33]

Why cause Sir Charles is there and Not Kobe?

Dominance > Popularity Contests, Votes, Fan Rankings, Media Hype etc

These Players Changed Their Positions Forever. Kobe? Just a Wannabe Copy Cat
This wannabe you are talking about.. he still copied his way to 5 championships, 2 as the undisputed leader, which is more than you can ever say about your donut loving hero.

My list:

1) MJ
2) Kareem
3) Russell
4) Magic
5) Wilt
6) Bird
7) Kobe
8) Duncan
9) Shaq
10) Hakeem

Honorable mention: West, Lebron, Robertson

[AintNoSunshine]

This wannabe you are talking about.. he still copied his way to 5 championships, 2 as the undisputed leader, which is more than you can ever say about your donut loving hero.

My list:

1) MJ
2) Kareem
3) Russell
4) Magic
5) Wilt
6) Bird
7) Kobe
8) Duncan
9) Shaq
10) Hakeem

Honorable mention: West, Lebron, Robertson

LMFAO at Kobe being 7. You said Kobe 5 rings 2 as undisputed leader, guess who the undisputed leader was in the other 3? No. 9 :oldlol:

[havoc33]

Its very concerning to see a lot of people have Magic over Bird on their lists.

I guess people don't care who was considered the better player during their playing days. Magic has really worked his way up peoples lists after retirement.
That's actually a very good point. I have Magic ranked higher myself, but I'll admit it's debatable. It would seem like people have forgotten that Bird won three straight MVP's and 2/3 championships while Magic was in his prime.

[CAstill]

Jordan
Kobe
Magic
Kareem
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Wilt
Russell
Lebron

[havoc33]

LMFAO at Kobe being 7. You said Kobe 5 rings 2 as undisputed leader, guess who the undisputed leader was in the other 3? No. 9 :oldlol: So because Shaq was the no.1 option for one more championship, he should be ranked higher? Please. :facepalm I think most people agree in ranking Kobe higher than Shaq. Shaq is actually the biggest underachiever of all time. With his physical tools he should be the GOAT. Kobe on the other hand might actually have overachieved. If not for his work ethic, his list of achievements would be far less. Kobe's role during the first threepeat cannot be understated. He was their playmaker and go to guy late in games, and was the Lakers best player for the first three rounds in the 2001 Playoffs.

[AintNoSunshine]

So because Shaq was the no.1 option for one more championship, he should be ranked higher? Please. :facepalm I think most people agree in ranking Kobe higher than Shaq. Shaq is actually the biggest underachiever of all time. With his physical tools he should be the GOAT. Kobe on the other hand might actually have overachieved. If not for his work ethic, his list of achievements would be far less. Kobe's role during the first threepeat cannot be understated. He was their playmaker and go to guy late in games, and was the Lakers best player for the first three rounds in the 2001 Playoffs.


Are we rating greatness or are we rating hardest working player?? Shaq was the undisputed leader on a 3-peat dynasty, during that span we saw him utterly dominated the league on a level that's unseen other than MJ himself.

Kobe has never come remotely close to that level of domination, he's a great volume scorer and that's about it. There is literally zero arguement you can have, just :facepalm at but he's the hardest working player

[Kews1]

I think most retarded people agree in ranking Kobe higher than Shaq.

fixed

[Jacks3]

Kobe has never come remotely close to that level of domination, he's a great volume scorer and that's about it
Kobe is far more than just a scorer. You are a ****ing moron.

:oldlol:

[AintNoSunshine]

Kobe is far more than just a scorer. You are a ****ing moron.

:oldlol:


:roll: Thanks retard. He has never ran an offense like Lebron, Tmac, he's very fortunate to play along side Shaq and under the triangle. He's still their best playmaker but the entire offense doesn't fall on his shoulder.

He has never been an amazing rebounder either, plays defense every once in awhile when he feels like it, largely overrated in this regard.

He's great but no way he's top 10 all time.

[Jacks3]

:roll: He has never ran an offense like Lebron, Tmac,
He's one of the best non-PG play-makers/creators ever. What the hell do you mean he never ran the offense? Dude was putting up 30+/7/6/2/1 seasons in his prime and has made multiple legitimately deserving All-Defense teams. He's easily one of the best all-around players ever.

You have no clue what you're talking about.

****ing idiot.

:oldlol:

[havoc33]

Are we rating greatness or are we rating hardest working player?? Shaq was the undisputed leader on a 3-peat dynasty, during that span we saw him utterly dominated the league on a level that's unseen other than MJ himself.

Kobe has never come remotely close to that level of domination, he's a great volume scorer and that's about it. There is literally zero arguement you can have, just :facepalm at but he's the hardest working playerLongevity is what puts Kobe over Shaq in any ranking. I suggest you read Bill Simmons Book of Basketball. He makes a pretty convincing argument as to why Shaq is not listed higher. Besides, if your only view of Kobe is that of an volume scorer, that really shows your lack of understanding for the game, or you simply haven't been a fan for long. Tell me, did you even follow the NBA from 97-2004? If you did, then you would have a much different view of Kobe as a player and his role on those early championship teams. How he was regarded as the best allround player in the game (next to T-Mac). Any Laker will tell you the importance of Kobe as a playmaker. Although Phil came down hard on Kobe at times in his first book, you will also read that Kobe was their catalyst and floor leader. When Gary Payton faded away under pressure, it was Kobe eventually challenged him and took charge.

It is not a coincidence either that Tex Winter was never a big fan of Shaq, and continuously ended up in fights with him over his lack of dedication to the game and unwillingness to be coached. Tex Winter famously left Shaq off his alltime list, and was quoted as saying he would "expose this guy as overrated".

Our opinions might differ, but it certainly isn't crazy to put Kobe over Shaq, it's actually very reasonable to do so (considering their full body of work).

[BigTicket]

#1. Jordan
#2. Wilt
#3. Kareem
#4. Russell
#5. Magic
#6. Shaq
#7. Bird
#8. Duncan
#9. Kobe
#10. Lebron

[KobesFinger]

1-MJ
2-Wilt
3-Kareem
4-Hakeem
5-Shaq
6-Duncan
7-Lebron
8-Barkley
9-Bird
10-Magic

LeBron and Barkley over Bird and Magic?

[aj1987]

Anyone who doesn't have Kobe in their top 10 is ****ing retarded. That being said, anyone who has Shaq/Duncan below Kobe is retarded as well.

Another thread about to ruined by Cunts3.

[Jacks3]

Another thread about to ruined by Cunts3.
haha still mad. ****ing retard. :oldlol:

[aj1987]

haha still mad. ****ing retard. :oldlol:
Again, why would I be mad? Heat won back to back. Wade won his third ring. :banana: Looks like you're the one who's mad.:oldlol:

[AintNoSunshine]

He's one of the best non-PG play-makers/creators ever. What the hell do you mean he never ran the offense? Dude was putting up 30+/7/6/2/1 seasons in his prime and has made multiple legitimately deserving All-Defense teams. He's easily one of the best all-around players ever.

You have no clue what you're talking about.

****ing idiot.

:oldlol:


Hey fukkface where did he lead his team to while he was padding those averages? Tmac had basically the same numbers, too bad he didn't force his way to playing for the most successful franchise in nba and got 3 free championships.

I ain't even trying to convince fanboys like you anything, your man love for the dude blinds you.

[havoc33]

Anyone who doesn't have Kobe in their top 10 is ****ing retarded. That being said, anyone who has Shaq/Duncan below Kobe is retarded as well.

Another thread about to ruined by Cunts3.Have you read Bill Simmon's Book of Basketball? It's long, but definitely worthwhile if you're a true fan. He ranks Shaq below Kobe as well, and that was back in 2011. Kobe has only added to his achievements since then. Now the word of Bill Simmons is not all gospel, but he IS very knowledgeable about the game, and he certainly knows more than most people on this board. The fact that he is a self-admitted Kobe hater and STILL ranks him ahead of Shaq I think is very telling.

[Jacks3]

Again, why would I be mad?
Because your boy is done as elite player, is nothing more than a side-kick, and just had one of the worst postseasons in history. :oldlol:

Dumass.

[kshutts1]

1. Luke Walton
2. Keyon Clark
3. Slava Medvedenko
4. Kwame Brown
5. Smush Parker
6. Bill Wennington
7. Jud Buchler
8. DJ Mbenga
9. Kevin Ollie
10.Tierre Brown

1) How can you have KEON Clark and Jud BUECHLER in your top 10, yet be unable to spell their names?

2) How can you spell "Medvedenko" and "Mbenga" properly, yet not the aforementioned two?

Other than that, your list is really only missing Kandi man

[AintNoSunshine]

Longevity is what puts Kobe over Shaq in any ranking. I suggest you read Bill Simmons Book of Basketball. He makes a pretty convincing argument as to why Shaq is not listed higher. Besides, if your only view of Kobe is that of an volume scorer, that really shows your lack of understanding for the game, or you simply haven't been a fan for long. Tell me, did you even follow the NBA from 97-2004? If you did, then you would have a much different view of Kobe as a player and his role on those early championship teams. How he was regarded as the best allround player in the game (next to T-Mac). Any Laker will tell you the importance of Kobe as a playmaker. Although Phil came down hard on Kobe at times in his first book, you will also read that Kobe was their catalyst and floor leader. When Gary Payton faded away under pressure, it was Kobe eventually challenged him and took charge.

It is not a coincidence either that Tex Winter was never a big fan of Shaq, and continuously ended up in fights with him over his lack of dedication to the game and unwillingness to be coached. Tex Winter famously left Shaq off his alltime list, and was quoted as saying he would "expose this guy as overrated".

Our opinions might differ, but it certainly isn't crazy to put Kobe over Shaq, it's actually very reasonable to do so (considering their full body of work).

I started watching before MJ's second 3 peat, and I was a witness of Shaq destroying every frontcourt in the league on a nightly basis during his prime, putting an entire frontcourt in foul trouble. Just his presence in the middle is something I have never seen. Shaq had decent longevity too, him being forced out of LA contributed to his decline. Shaq over Kobe for me no contest, you don't have to agree of course.

[Jacks3]

Hey fukkface where did he lead his team to while he was padding those averages?
2000 he was putting up 23/6/5/2 and was arguably THE best perimeter defender in basketball. Won Championship.
2001 he put up 29/6/5/2 + All-NBA defense in the regular season and than put up 29/7/6/2 + excellent defense in the post-season. Won Championship.
2002 he put up 25/6/6/2 + All-NBA defense in the RS followed by 27/6/5/2 in PS. Won Championship.
2003 he put up 30+/7/6/2/1. Led team to 50 wins.

From 08-10 he put up 30/6/6/2 while leading his team to three straight Finals and back-to-back rings.

How the **** is a guy putting up those type of numbers just a scorer, you moron? During that stretch he was simultaneously one of the 2-3 best scorers, one of the best rebounding guards (the best in 03), one of the best perimeter defenders in basketball, and arguably the most skilled player in the league. How is that "just a scorer", you idiot?




I ain't even trying to convince fanboys like you anything, your man love for the dude blinds you.
Because you have no argument. Every single reasonable fan on this forum would agree that Kobe is much, much more than just a scorer.

Ignorant ass mutha****a.

:roll:

[aj1987]

Have you read Bill Simmon's Book of Basketball? It's long, but definitely worthwhile if you're a true fan. He ranks Shaq below Kobe as well, and that was back in 2011. Kobe has only added to his achievements since then. Now the word of Bill Simmons is not all gospel, but he IS very knowledgeable about the game, and he certainly knows more than most people on this board. The fact that he is a self-admitted Kobe hater and STILL ranks him ahead of Shaq I think is very telling.
What exactly did Kobe add to his achievements in the past two years? Shaq had three of the most dominant Finals performances of ALL TIME. I don't think I'm going to read a book, so that other people can tell me where to rank players. I saw Shaq and Kobe play and I pick Shaq over Kobe. It's not a slight at Kobe's career either. Kobe is a top 10 player (I have him at 9).



Because your boy is done as elite player, is nothing more than a side-kick, and just had one of the worst postseasons in history. :oldlol:

Dumass.
So mad that your boy Kobe is at home, while Wade is winning more Rings. 21/5/5/2/1 on 52% and he's done? LMAO!

BTW, how does it feel to be a fan of one of the WORST Finals performers of ALL TIME?

BRB, gonna watch the final minute of Game 7.:lol

[Jacks3]

So mad that your boy Kobe is at home, while Wade is winning more Rings. 21/5/5/2/1 on 52% and he's done? LMAO!
Yeah, I'm mad that even though Bryant has 5 rings and has a career that will D-Whistle will never come remotely close to touching. :lol

Meanwhile, D-Whistle wasn't even a top 5 guard in the regular season and than had one of the worst post-seasons ever--16/5/5/2 on historically bad efficiency (49.8% TS). Talk about getting carried. :roll:

Yeah, he's done as elite player, which is pathetic considering he's only 31 and in his 10th season. Kobe in his 10th season: 35+/5+/5/2/56% TS.

D-Whistle. What a scrub.

Dumass stan.

:roll:

[SilkkTheShocker]

LeBron Raymone James

[alenleomessi]

1. MJ


2. Kareem
3. Lebron
4. Bird
5. Shaq
6. Magic
7. Wilt
8. Russell
9. Duncan
10. Hakeem

[Scholar]

Kareem- greatest of all-time big man. Can be interchangeable with MJ.

Jordan- greatest of all-time guard.

Wilt- revolutionized the game. So dominant, he caused change in basketball rules.

Russell- 11 rings in 13 tries. Enough said. Only reason to not rank him higher is because the others have better overall games. BR is probably the best shot blocker to run the game. A LeBron body who played in the NBA and US history's turning era.

Magic- 5 rings in 9 tries in 11 seasons. Greatest passer ever.

Kobe- 5 rings in 7 tries. Greatest scorer of all-time.

Bird- possibly the most clutch player ever. I've seen enough of his games in playback to know he'd be a force to reckon with in any era.

Duncan- greatest PF ever. May not have eye popping, flashy games, but still a great winner. 4 rings in 5 tries.

Shaq- the most dominant player not named Wilt. He'd be ranked higher if he actually bothered to try more often in his career. He came into seasons out of shape, undedicated, and he became a journeyman towards the end, but he still is among the top 10. It wouldn't make me cringe to see him on some top 5 lists.

LeBron- overtook Hakeem. 2 rings in 4 tries, and 4 MVPs in 5 yrs. He'll be reaching the top 5 sooner than later.

[fozi]

MJ
KAJ
Russell
Magic
Kobe
Wilt
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
Hakeem

11- LBJ

[aj1987]

Yeah, I'm mad that even though Bryant has 5 rings and has a career that will D-Whistle will never come remotely close to touching. :lol

Meanwhile, D-Whistle wasn't even a top 5 guard in the regular season and than had one of the worst post-seasons ever--16/5/5/2 on historically bad efficiency (49.8% TS). Talk about getting carried. :roll:

Yeah, he's done as elite player, which is pathetic considering he's only 31 and in his 10th season. Kobe in his 10th season: 35+/5+/5/2/56% TS.

D-Whistle. What a scrub.

Dumass stan.

:roll:
Didn't Kobe average under 40% in a couple of Finals series? So mad that Wade might win more rings than Chuckbe. Mad that Kobe, even in his dreams, won't have a Finals performance like the one Wade had in '06. His THIRD year in the league.:roll:

Prime Shaq and Wade would've won 4, BTW. Wade wouldn't have choked like Kobe in the Finals.

Stay mad, fool. :roll:

[havoc33]

What exactly did Kobe add to his achievements in the past two years? Shaq had three of the most dominant Finals performances of ALL TIME. I don't think I'm going to read a book, so that other people can tell me where to rank players. I saw Shaq and Kobe play and I pick Shaq over Kobe. It's not a slight at Kobe's career either. Kobe is a top 10 player (I have him at 9).
How about adding even more accolades to an already stacked resume? Two more 1st team selections, two more all star selections, breaking more records. And he just had one of his better regular seasons of his career, in his 17th season that is. These things matter you know, it all adds up.

Why am I not surprised you are so quick to dismiss Simmon's book. :rolleyes: Ignorance sure is bliss.

[Redoks]

Any top 10 that has not got Kobe but does have Lebron is a fcking joke.

[Magic 32]

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Kobe
8. Duncan
9. Shaq
10. Lebron
11. Hakeem
12. Oscar
13. Moses
14. West

[aj1987]

How about adding even more accolades to an already stacked resume? Two more 1st team selections, two more all star selections, breaking more records. And he just had one of his better regular seasons of his career, in his 17th season that is. These things matter you know, it all adds up.

Why am I not surprised you are so quick to dismiss Simmon's book. :rolleyes: Ignorance sure is bliss.
If you believe that Kobe deserved all those All-NBA and All- Defensive First Teams, you're as delusional as Simmons. Who would you rather have right now, to start a franchise? 38/17/3/3 on 61%, 33/16/5/3 on 57%, 36/12/4/3 on 60%. Would've won 4 Rings and 4 FMVP's, if a certain someone didn't choke in '04. Also, lets not forget that Kobe is one of the worst Finals performer of all time (for a top 10 player).

As I said before, I don't need to read a damn book to figure out who's better. I watched both Kobe and Shaq play and ten times out of ten, I'd pick Shaq. If you need a book to figure out which player is better, :facepalm .

[Jacks3]

So mad that Wade might win more rings than Chuckbe. Mad that Kobe, even in his dreams, won't have a Finals performance like the one Wade had in '06. His THIRD year in the league.:roll:
Wade won't get close to 5 rings and his career will never come close to Bryant's. Fact.

Kobe's 09 Finals are better than anything D-Whistle has ever done. Played a far, far, far better defense and wasn't gifted 16 FTA per game. Everybody knows the 06 Finals are a joke, you moron. Couldn't even touch the guy.

:oldlol:

Stay mad, retard.


Prime Shaq and Wade would've won 4, BTW. Wade wouldn't have choked like Kobe in the Finals.
Prime Kobe and LeBron would win 10. Kobe wouldn't have had the worst post-season in history and literally made his team significantly worse every time he stepped on the court.

ORTG with Wade--104
ORTG without Wade--116

LMAO. Dude's a ****ing cancer. Offense is 10X better without his ass.

:roll:



Stay mad, fool. :roll:
lol @ this moron. :lol

[Jacks3]

If you believe that Kobe deserved all those All-NBA and All- Defensive First Teams, you're as delusional as Simmons.
27/6/6/2/57% TS isn't deserving of 1st-Team All-NBA? You really are a ****ing moron.

:roll: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[aj1987]

Wade won't get close to 5 rings and his career will never come close to Bryant's. Fact.
3 Rings down 2 more to go. Not even close to 5? LMAO! Also, I've never said that Wade is/will be a better player than Chuckbe. Your retarded ass can't seem to understand that.


Kobe's 09 Finals are better than anything D-Whistle has ever done. Played a far, far, far better defense and wasn't gifted 16 FTA per game. Everybody knows the 06 Finals are a joke, you moron. Couldn't even touch the guy.
This post right here tells me that you're a 12 year old. Do you remember the players who were guarding Kobe in that series? Even then, Kobe shot 43%.
Remember the '05 and '06 Pistons? The same team that shut down Kobe. Wade ripped them a new one. How about them '10 Celtics? 33/6/7 on 56%. You're too young to remember those teams/games.


Prime Kobe and LeBron would win 10. Kobe wouldn't have had the worst post-season in history and literally made his team significantly worse every time he stepped on the court.
HAHAHA! Kobe shooting 40% and Lebron disappearing in the 4th. Yeah, they'd win 10 games a season for sure.


LMAO. Dude's a ****ing cancer. Offense is 10X better without his ass.
Did Wade bang your mom or something?
Better without the guy who scored 20/4/4/2/1 on 48%? Yeah, I'm sure Lebron would've scored 50 points a game on 50% without Wade. You might not remember this as you're a stats slut, but Wade was the one who was actually a better defender in the Finals.

Kobe scored 22 points on 22 shots in the FINALS and cost Shaq his ring and 4th FMVP. You seem to forget that. The Heat never lost in the Finals because of Wade.:oldlol: Lets not even talk about the '08 Finals 25/5/5 on 40%? :roll:


27/6/6/2/57% TS isn't deserving of 1st-Team All-NBA? You really are a ****ing moron.

To go along with defense that would make Steve Nash look like a DPOY. Once again, your reading comprehension fails you. Did I mention 2013 anywhere in my post? Kobe is the most over rated defender of ALL TIME. Dude slacks off on the defensive end more than Wade.

I'm done with you. A person simply can't be this retarded. You must be a troll.

[gengiskhan]

Jordan
Wilt
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Russell
Hakeem
Shaq
Lebron
Oscar

This is the most unbiased, fair & realistic list you'll ever see.

Fair assessment of all-timer is necessary to get them into GOAT list.

[Jacks3]

3 Rings down 2 more to go. Not even close to 5? LMAO!
Um, yes? Are you retarded? He's not even close. Not to mention 4 of 5 rings for Kobe came as a top 3 player in the league. Wade won't be remotely close that level. :oldlol:

Also, I've never said that Wade is/will be a better player than Chuckbe.
I'm glad you get it. Kobe>>>D-Whistle.

Do you remember the players who were guarding Kobe in that series? Even then, Kobe shot 43%.
You're a moron.

Kobe in that series: 32.4/7.4/5.6/1.4/1.4/54% TS against the #1 defense in the league with the DPOY. A defense that was top 25 All-Time statistically.

The 06 Mavs, on the other hand, were the worst Finals defense in the last 30 years. A team that was DESTROYED by perimeter stars all season (Kobe scored 62 in three quarters against them and had another game of 43/6/5/).

Oh yeah, and Kobe wasn't gifted 16 FTA per game by the refs.

:roll:

Idiot.





Remember the '05 and '06 Pistons? The same team that shut down Kobe.
The 04 Pistons were the best defense in history. The 05 and 06 Pistons weren't even in the same universe. Get real, you moron.

Not to mention Wade playing with new hand-checking rules. Your ignorance is astounding.


How about them '10 Celtics? 33/6/7 on 56%. You're too young to remember those teams/games.
Oh, you mean the Series where Wade's team lost in 5 to a team that was barely trying? The series where he averaged 5 turnovers a game and led his team offense to a miserable 96 ORTG? LMAO.



HAHAHA! Kobe shooting 40% and Lebron disappearing in the 4th. Yeah, they'd win 10 games a season for sure.
:roll:




Better without the guy who scored 20/4/4/2/1 on 48%?
Look at the numbers, you idiot.

The Heat's offense during the Finals was far, far, far better with Wade on the bench. There were multiple articles written on this. He killed their spacing and shooting. Not to mention he was horribly inefficient (50.5% TS).

Did you forget Games 2 and Games 6? When the Heat mad MAJOR runs? Guess who was on the bench? That's right, D-Whistle. This was a recurring theme all post-season.


Yeah, I'm sure Lebron would've scored 50 points a game on 50% without Wade.
No, but the Heat offense would have been 10X better.

Just like it actually was in reality.

but Wade was the one who was actually a better defender in the Finals.
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHA


Kobe scored 22 points on 22 shots in the FINALS and cost Shaq his ring and 4th FMVP. You seem to forget that.
You seem the forget that they were playing the 04 Pistons, the greatest defense in history. You seem to be forgetting that they lost that series by a average margin of 15 points per game. You seem to forget to that the Lakers outside Kobe/Shaq shot 33% for the series.




Ignorant moron. :oldlol:

Lets not even talk about the '08 Finals 25/5/5 on 40%? :roll:
26/5/5/3/51% TS against a top 3 defense in history and a team that won 66 games and had three Hall-of-Famers in their prime.

You think this is some bad series, but Wade putting up 20/5/5/51% TS in this years Finals and making his teams offense significantly worse every time he stepped on the court is something to be proud of? Letting freaking Danny Green put up 18 PPG/81% TS through the first 5 games? His team making major runs every time he sits?

:roll:


I'm done with you. A person simply can't be this retarded. You must be a troll.

Yeah, you're done because your arguments are pathetic.

Go sit down, kid.

****ing retard.

:oldlol:

[Kurosawa0]

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Duncan
7. LeBron
8. Kobe
9. Wilt
10. Shaq

[2010splash]

Kobe is definitely not ahead of LeBron. Silly Kobe stans.:facepalm Bird and Hakeem have no business being ahead of LeBron either.

1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. LeBron
6. Magic
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Bird
10. Hakeem

[lakers_forever]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Russell
5. Magic/Bird
7. Shaq
8. Kobe
9. Duncan
10. Lebron (yes already ahead of Hakeem - all nba first team only 3 times in the 90's - and ready to surpass Duncan, Kobe and Shaq in the near future - And I don't even like him).

Just for fun:


11. Olajuwon
12. Oscar Robertson
13. Jerry West
14. Moses Malone
15. Dr. J
16. Elgin Baylor
17. Havlicek
18. Isaiah Thomas
19. Bob Pettit
20. Karl Malone.

Edit: Forgot Moses Malone.

[tmacattack33]

1. MJ
2. Duncan
3. Shaq
4. Kobe
5. Lebron
6. Garnett
7. Wade
8. D. Nowitzki
9. Kidd
10. Chris Webber


I'm not listing people before my time obviously.

[havoc33]

If you believe that Kobe deserved all those All-NBA and All- Defensive First Teams, you're as delusional as Simmons. Who would you rather have right now, to start a franchise? 38/17/3/3 on 61%, 33/16/5/3 on 57%, 36/12/4/3 on 60%. Would've won 4 Rings and 4 FMVP's, if a certain someone didn't choke in '04. Also, lets not forget that Kobe is one of the worst Finals performer of all time (for a top 10 player).

As I said before, I don't need to read a damn book to figure out who's better. I watched both Kobe and Shaq play and ten times out of ten, I'd pick Shaq. If you need a book to figure out which player is better, :facepalm .Now I'm not going to dispute you on Kobe's last few defensive team awards, as he didn't deserve them. But saying that Kobe didn't deserve all nba 1st team is just flat out stupid. It's obvious you have not been watching the NBA for long, otherwise you'd take this discussion a whole lot better. You can bring up efficiency numbers all you want, but at the end of the day that's all you've got. Kobe won more titles, more accolades and has had a longer and more storied career than Shaq overall. There is nothing you can say that can change that fact, I'm sorry. Kobe has 5 titles vs 4, 11x 1st team selection vs 8x, 2 olympic gold vs 1, 4x allstargame MVP vs 3 and so on and so on...

Shaq had one of the most dominant seasons ever in 2000, but fact remains that Kobe has played at a consistently high level for longer than Shaq ever did, and therefore he will ultimately also be ranked higher. Longevity matters, otherwise you'd see players like Bill Walton ranked far higher. In his first four years in his career, he achieved more than any other player in such a short span.

[miles berg]

Oh this is easy.

1. Jordan
2. Jabbar
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Wilt
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Hakeem
9. Duncan
10. LeBron

[Element]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Shaq
6. Duncan
7. Kobe
8. Bird
9. Hakeem

Yes, Bird at 8. His long list of playoff failures and chokes far exceeds those of other Top 10 GOATS. It's just that back in the days, they were pretty much hidden by the media.

This is a Top 9 list because I know Wilt belongs in there but I haven't
got any friggin clue about him, except that he's OP in 2k.

[dh144498]

[QUOTE=K

[razzredazzre]

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Hakeem
5. Bird
6. Bill Russel
7. Wilt
8. Kobe
9. Duncan
10. Shaq

[HurricaneKid]

Kobe has 5 titles vs 4, 11x 1st team selection vs 8x, 2 olympic gold vs 1, 4x allstargame MVP vs 3 and so on and so on...


Really? You think ASG matters? At all?

Shaq's titles > Kobe's titles to me.

There is a perception that Shaq didn't play long due to his lack of conditioning. But he had a lengthier career than most bigs. He carried his team to the NBA Finals in 94 (where he was schooled by Dream). He didn't drop below a PER of 26.4 until his last season with LAL in 2004 (11 seasons later). He became an elite 2nd option and won a title in 06 as a second option with Wade. And if you count 22.2/13.2 @56.2% from the field (rookie campaign) he went 14 stright seasons of outstanding production. If you excuse Kobe's first 3 seasons (his 3rd was still <20ppg) he is only 14 seasons in and Shaq's 14 years CRUSHES Kobe's. In fact, Kobe is still looking to catch him in WS and Shaq's career 26.4 PER DUSTS Kobe.

And that doesn't even speak to peak play. Kobe has played at a tremendous level for 14 years but his advanced stats have never impressed anyone. He has never been top 3 in PER for instance. Meanwhile, Shaq was #1 5 straight years. Shaq also had 7 seasons where his PLAYOFF PER was >27. Kobe has none.

I realize I am fighting an up hill battel but I don't see how Kobe could possibly be > Shaq.

[fpliii]

I don't do GOAT lists anymore, but it's interesting how everybody simultaneously decides to include the same players, over and over. Is there an ocean separating them from your next tier? Does everybody have identical criteria, and the exact same ten players happen to meet them (in generally the same, or at least similar order)? Not that I have a huge problem with it. It's just strange.

[KG215]

Jordan
Kobe
Magic
Kareem
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Wilt
Russell
Lebron
Kobe #2? Russell #9? Really?

[rhythmic]

1) Jordan
2) Kareem
3) Russell
4) Magic
5) Wilt
6) Bird
7) Kobe
8) Duncan
9) Shaquille
10) LeBron

[Heavincent]

Really? You think ASG matters? At all?

Shaq's titles > Kobe's titles to me.

There is a perception that Shaq didn't play long due to his lack of conditioning. But he had a lengthier career than most bigs. He carried his team to the NBA Finals in 94 (where he was schooled by Dream). He didn't drop below a PER of 26.4 until his last season with LAL in 2004 (11 seasons later). He became an elite 2nd option and won a title in 06 as a second option with Wade. And if you count 22.2/13.2 @56.2% from the field (rookie campaign) he went 14 stright seasons of outstanding production. If you excuse Kobe's first 3 seasons (his 3rd was still <20ppg) he is only 14 seasons in and Shaq's 14 years CRUSHES Kobe's. In fact, Kobe is still looking to catch him in WS and Shaq's career 26.4 PER DUSTS Kobe.

And that doesn't even speak to peak play. Kobe has played at a tremendous level for 14 years but his advanced stats have never impressed anyone. He has never been top 3 in PER for instance. Meanwhile, Shaq was #1 5 straight years. Shaq also had 7 seasons where his PLAYOFF PER was >27. Kobe has none.

I realize I am fighting an up hill battel but I don't see how Kobe could possibly be > Shaq.

lol at advanced stats.

[Odinn]

1. Michael Jordan
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Larry Bird
5. Shaquille O'Neal
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Magic Johnson
8. Tim Duncan
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Hakeem Olajuwon or LeBron James

[lakers_forever]

http://www.basisdesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/TBOB-Poster.jpg

[Psileas]

http://www.basisdesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/TBOB-Poster.jpg

Wow, when I saw this poster, I immediately thought "wow, that order of the lineup has to belong to some Laker-hater". Look where are drawn most of the Laker legends (and generally all-time greats): Magic, Kareem, Kobe and Baylor are to be found at the far right corner of the pic and also Wilt and Shaq at the lowest level, unlike Jordan and Russell, who are right in the middle.

And then I read the name: Bill Simmons. :lol

(In case you wonder, Jordan and Russell are his top-2)

[Fudge]

1. Jordan
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Wilt
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Kobe
10. LeBron

[The-Legend-24]

Some of these dudes ranking players they never seen play. :oldlol:

[tmacattack33]

Wow, when I saw this poster, I immediately thought "wow, that order of the lineup has to belong to some Laker-hater". Look where are drawn most of the Laker legends (and generally all-time greats): Magic, Kareem, Kobe and Baylor are to be found at the far right corner of the pic and also Wilt and Shaq at the lowest level, unlike Jordan and Russell, who are right in the middle.

And then I read the name: Bill Simmons. :lol

(In case you wonder, Jordan and Russell are his top-2)

Has anyone here read that book?

[ThaRegul8r]

Has anyone here read that book?

I own the book, which is sitting on my bookshelf right now.

[KG215]

Has anyone here read that book?
Yes, I have. A couple of times actually. The second time I didn't read it cover-to-cover, but went back and read the Pyramid section and a few other chapters. I've probably gone back and read his Pyramid Rankings and the best teams chapter 3 or 4 times total.

I don't necessarily agree with it all, and his Celtic bias (which leads to be a Laker hater) does get in the way at times a little bit, but I still feel like he did a great job with his research and stayed relatively objective (for the most part). I know some will disagree, though.

[caliman]

1. Jordan
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Kobe
8. Duncan
9. Shaq
10. LeBron

[KyleKong]

Seriously? Not seeing one person list Dr. J in their top ten. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[aj1987]

Now I'm not going to dispute you on Kobe's last few defensive team awards, as he didn't deserve them. But saying that Kobe didn't deserve all nba 1st team is just flat out stupid. It's obvious you have not been watching the NBA for long, otherwise you'd take this discussion a whole lot better. You can bring up efficiency numbers all you want, but at the end of the day that's all you've got. Kobe won more titles, more accolades and has had a longer and more storied career than Shaq overall. There is nothing you can say that can change that fact, I'm sorry. Kobe has 5 titles vs 4, 11x 1st team selection vs 8x, 2 olympic gold vs 1, 4x allstargame MVP vs 3 and so on and so on...

Shaq had one of the most dominant seasons ever in 2000, but fact remains that Kobe has played at a consistently high level for longer than Shaq ever did, and therefore he will ultimately also be ranked higher. Longevity matters, otherwise you'd see players like Bill Walton ranked far higher. In his first four years in his career, he achieved more than any other player in such a short span.

Finally, a person who actually talks Basketball. :cheers:

It's not just about efficiency. If we're just taking efficiency into account, Russell and Kobe would not even sniff the top 10. I'm talking about dominating the game and Shaq dominated like no other. Sure, Kobe have longevity over Shaq. Heck, he has it over Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc., but you're not going to rate Kobe over them, are you? As a matter of fact, Kobe's accolades, rings, etc., blow Birds' out of the water, yet, people still regard Bird to be a top 5 player and Kobe to be a top 7-9 player. It's not always about the stats. You can't judge just how good a player is by reading his wiki and going to Basketball Reference. Shaq had an impact on the game that can't be judged by stats.
If we go by stats, Shaq until 34 averaged 26/11.5/3 on 58% along with 2.5 blocks. It's not like Shaq had just one or two dominant seasons. Also, Shaq was MUCH MUCH more durable than Bill Walton. You seriously can't be comparing Bill Walton's health to Shaq's. It's not like Shaq played only 5-6 seasons.
GOAT lists are extremely subjective. I value dominating over 8-10 years more than playing 17 years and being dominant in 3 or 4 years. Some people value stats more than accolades, etc. As much as I like Kobe, I think he was really overrated this year. He was extremely passive on the defensive end. He also wasn't guarded well. It was as if teams were letting Kobe get his and were trying to shut down his teammates (I watched only ~20 Lakers games, so small sample to judge from).

BTW, I feel that Wade should've won the All-NBA First team in '06 and '11. Then again, it's just my opinion.

[Vertical-24]

Did not include any '40s-'60s players in my list besides Bill Russell who I put on simply because of his reputation as Sports greatest winner. That is all. My list changes ALL THE TIME, and I'm sure some will take issue with it but....I give no f*cks.

Top 10 GOAT List

01. Michael Jordan
02. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
03. Bill Russell
04. Magic Johnson (interchangeable with Bird)
05. Larry Bird (interchangeable with Magic)
06. Kobe Bryant
07. Shaquille O'Neal
08. Tim Duncan
09. LeBron James
10. Hakeem Olajuwon

[Sakkreth]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem (very close to mj, if not ahead of him)
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. LeBron
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Kobe
12. Oscar Robertson

[fpliii]

Seriously? Not seeing one person list Dr. J in their top ten. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

:applause:

[Sakkreth]

Seriously? Not seeing one person list Dr. J in their top ten. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

He's 13th in my list, but in this thread I listed 12 :lol

[pauk]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Lebron
10. Kobe

Favorite 10:

1. Reggie Miller
2. Drazen Petrovic
3. Pete Maravic
4. Penny Hardaway
5. Larry Bird
6. Lebron James
7. Magic Johnson
8. Shawn Kemp
9. Ray Allen
10. Dennis Rodman

[7_cody]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Lebron
10. Kobe

Solid list, but LeBron doesn't belong in the top 10 yet and Shaq is too low. Shaq won back-to-back-to-back Championships and FMVPS, but yet he's only a couple spots above LeBron?

I know you're biased, I am the same way with Kobe, but Shaq should be higher and LeBron should be off that list for now IMO

[Anaximandro1]

-The ultimate goal will always be to win a championship

-It's very difficult to evaluate individual player contribution in a team sport


-My criteria for evaluating players:

1) Titles as#1,MVP,FMVP

2) Advanced stats,H2H battles,supporting cast

3) Team/individual records

4) Titles as #2


-Some examples of advanced stats


Playoff Leaders for Win Shares

Jordan 39.76
Kareem 35.56
Duncan 33.08
Magic 32.63
Wilt 31.46
Shaq 31.08
LeBron 29.54
Kobe 28.26
Russell 27.76
West 26.75



Playoff Leaders for PER

Jordan 28.60
Mikan 28.51
LeBron 27.26
Shaq 26.13
Hakeem 25.69
Paul 25.48
Durant 24.98
Duncan 24.91
Dirk 24.68
Barkley 24.18

Top 10 players of all-time

1. Michael Jordan,Bill Russell

2. Wilt Chamberlain,Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

3. Magic Johnson,Tim Duncan

4. Shaquille O'Neal,Larry Bird

5. LeBron James,Hakeem Olajuwon

[Gougou]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Kobe
10. Lebron

Lebron can pass Kobe in next few years.

[pauk]

Solid list, but LeBron doesn't belong in the top 10 yet and Shaq is too low. Shaq won back-to-back-to-back Championships and FMVPS, but yet he's only a couple spots above LeBron?

I know you're biased, I am the same way with Kobe, but Shaq should be higher and LeBron should be off that list for now IMO

Shaq higher? That means Shaq is over Magic/Bird and perhaps Wilt/Russell/Kareem... MJ? Hm... do as you wish though....

As for Lebron.... look i do like Lebrons game and thats about it, i love basketball to much to disrespect it in honor of a single player though, i am not biased/immature THAT way.... i prefer logic and facts, thats my only bias, this is because facts are impossible to argue against and facts in this case show for example:

....................................Lebron........ ..Hakeem........Kobe....
MVP...................................4........... ......1...............1......
FMVP..................................2........... ......2...............2......
Championships as the man.......2.................2..............2......
1st All-NBA...........................7.................6. .............11.....
1st All-Defensive....................5.................5.. ............9......
and so on...

.......sorry but anybody trying to keep Lebron out of top 10 at this moment is suffering from some specific agenda or delusion... its either Hakeem or Kobe replaced, your choice.... you cant keep a player of that magnitude out of top 10 forever....

[RRR3]

Kareem- greatest of all-time big man. Can be interchangeable with MJ.

Jordan- greatest of all-time guard.

Wilt- revolutionized the game. So dominant, he caused change in basketball rules.

Russell- 11 rings in 13 tries. Enough said. Only reason to not rank him higher is because the others have better overall games. BR is probably the best shot blocker to run the game. A LeBron body who played in the NBA and US history's turning era.

Magic- 5 rings in 9 tries in 11 seasons. Greatest passer ever.

Kobe- 5 rings in 7 tries. Greatest scorer of all-time.

Bird- possibly the most clutch player ever. I've seen enough of his games in playback to know he'd be a force to reckon with in any era.

Duncan- greatest PF ever. May not have eye popping, flashy games, but still a great winner. 4 rings in 5 tries.

Shaq- the most dominant player not named Wilt. He'd be ranked higher if he actually bothered to try more often in his career. He came into seasons out of shape, undedicated, and he became a journeyman towards the end, but he still is among the top 10. It wouldn't make me cringe to see him on some top 5 lists.

LeBron- overtook Hakeem. 2 rings in 4 tries, and 4 MVPs in 5 yrs. He'll be reaching the top 5 sooner than later.
Based on what?

[branslowski]

Hey fukkface where did he lead his team to while he was padding those averages? Tmac had basically the same numbers, too bad he didn't force his way to playing for the most successful franchise in nba and got 3 free championships.

I ain't even trying to convince fanboys like you anything, your man love for the dude blinds you.

U got owned and this is wat u come back wit?:lol

[Legends66NBA7]

The thread title states:

"YOUR top 10 players of all-time"

Why are some posters arguing who should be in the top 10 of someone else's list? Make your own list and get on with it. No point asking why a certain player should be in and the other shouldn't, nor questioning the reasons of someone else's arbitrary list.

[Electric Slide]

The thread title states:

"YOUR top 10 players of all-time"

Why are some posters arguing who should be in the top 10 of someone else's list? Make your own list and get on with it. No point asking why a certain player should be in and the other shouldn't, nor questioning the reasons of someone else's arbitrary list.
whats ur top 10?

[ThaRegul8r]

The thread title states:

"YOUR top 10 players of all-time"

Why are some posters arguing who should be in the top 10 of someone else's list? Make your own list and get on with it. No point asking why a certain player should be in and the other shouldn't, nor questioning the reasons of someone else's arbitrary list.

:applause:

No one's satisfied with making their own arbitrary list; everyone else's list has to be a reflection of theirs as well.

[Lordragoonx1x]

My top 10 G.O.A.T list:

1. MJ
2. KAJ
3. Wilt
4. Russels
5. Magic
6. Shaq
7. Bird
8. Duncan
9. Lebron
10. Kobe

Hakeem is out at number 10.

[Legends66NBA7]

whats ur top 10?

To be honest, I don't actually have one of my own. I would have to actually think hard about and keep career separate from playing ability.

I would also to have to think about eras of competition, peer competition, skills, etc.... I can tell you this, I would value consistency the highest on my own list when in regards to players.

For the record, the read of others opinions here does have some good insight, despite the questioning by other posters.

[Asukal]

My top ten:
1. Jordan
2. Russell
3. Magic
4. Bird
5. Wilt
6. Kareem
7. Shaq
8. Hakeem
9. Duncan
10. Kobe

[Heavincent]

Favorite 10:

1. Reggie Miller
2. Drazen Petrovic
3. Pete Maravic
4. Penny Hardaway
5. Larry Bird
6. Lebron James
7. Magic Johnson
8. Shawn Kemp
9. Ray Allen
10. Dennis Rodman

What a joke :roll:

You're not fooling anybody.

[dh144498]

What a joke :roll:

You're not fooling anybody.

lmao he actually has 5 players ahead of lebron as his favorite. what a bunch of bull. :roll:

[BoutPractice]

Scholar >
If we're going to say that Bill Russell has 11 rings in 13 tries, then the real numbers are 2 rings in 10 tries for LeBron, 5 rings in 13 tries for Magic, and 5 rings in 17 tries for Kobe.

I think Tim Duncan would disagree with the idea that he didn't "try" for a championship in 2004 and 2006...

[kobeef24]

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Kobe
9. Duncan
10. LeBron

Shaq/Kobe/Duncan are are extremely close on my list though.

[LAZERUSS]

1-4 Russell, Magic, MJ, and Wilt, in any order.

5. KAJ

6-7 Shaq and Duncan tied

8-10 Kobe, Lebron, Bird in any order

11-12 Hakeem, Moses

[D-Wade316]

:applause:
He was 10th on my list before Lebron took his place this year. I know nothing but praise and dominance of his 75-76 season. More people need to appreciate what he did in the ABA, not just look at his NBA career.

[Dr.J4ever]

1-4 Russell, Magic, MJ, and Wilt, in any order.

5. KAJ

6-7 Shaq and Duncan tied

8-10 Kobe, Lebron, Bird in any order

11-12 Hakeem, Moses

C'mon, Hakeem and Moses over Doc. Doc won 3 title(2 in the ABA). Doesn't Doc's ABA years count anymore? Not fair, you can't just throw away those 5 years.

[LAZERUSS]

C'mon, Hakeem and Moses over Doc. Doc won 3 title(2 in the ABA). Doesn't Doc's ABA years count anymore? Not fair, you can't just throw away those 5 years.

You know what...I will agree with you.

How about this...

11-13 Hakeem, Moses, Dr J., ... in any order.

14-15 Oscar-West

After that you can throw a blanket over the next top-15 guys. Players like D-Rob, Dirk, Barkley, K. Malone, Hondo, Baylor, Barry, Pettit, Mikan, and other's.

[Dr.J4ever]

You know what...I will agree with you.

How about this...

11-13 Hakeem, Moses, Dr J., ... in any order.

14-15 Oscar-West

After that you can throw a blanket over the next top-15 guys. Players like D-Rob, Dirk, Barkley, K. Malone, Hondo, Baylor, Barry, Pettit, Mikan, and other's.

Better. Doc's legacy really has suffered a bit lately here on ISH.

[waseem780]

1)Michael Jordan
2)Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3)Magic
4)Russel/Bird
5)Bird/Russel
6)Shaq
7)Chamberlain
8)Hakeem
9)Kobe
10)Lebron/Duncan