Kobe Bryant still has a shot at goat

[kennethgriffin]

he says hes playing 3 more years

these things are almost guaranteed


- all time scoring record 38K points ( 5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time playoff scoring record 6-7K points ( 1-1.5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time record 13 to 14 first team all nba's ( 3-4 more than MJ )
- all time record 9 first team all defense's ( tied with MJ already for #1 )
- all time record 5 allstar game mvps ( already has the record at 4, will get 1 more )
- all time record most consecutive allstar starts ( 18 straight games 1998-2016 )


possibilities

- 6-7 nba championships
- 3-4 finals mvps


i don't see him getting another league mvp unless lebron has an injury and westbrook continues to take more of a role with the thunder

but he could steal 1 more if lucky... by averaging 28ppg and the lakers getting #1 seed in west.


i'd say this is a solid case for goat conversation

[Wavves]

he says hes playing 3 more years

these things are almost guaranteed


- all time scoring record 38K points ( 5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time playoff scoring record 6-7K points ( 1-1.5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time record 13 to 14 first team all nba's ( 3-4 more than MJ )
- all time record 9 first team all defense's ( tied with MJ already for #1 )
- all time record 5 allstar game mvps ( already has the record at 4, will get 1 more )
- all time record most consecutive allstar starts ( 18 straight games 1998-2016 )


possibilities

- 6-7 nba championships
- 3-4 finals mvps


i don't see him getting another league mvp unless lebron has an injury and westbrook continues to take more of a role with the thunder

but he could steal 1 more if lucky... by averaging 28ppg and the lakers getting #1 seed in west.


i'd say this is a solid case for goat conversation

The bolded part is what I found most hilarious out of all of that.

[tmacattack33]

Well then so does D. Wade.

And Tim Duncan.

[SilkkTheShocker]

You can't be a GOAT if you were a sidekick for as long as he was.

[Le Shaqtus]

He's top 10, you should be grateful for just that. No one is touching MJ.

[KyleKong]

You can't be a GOAT if you were a sidekick for as long as he was.

****. I just agreed with SilkkTheShocker.

I quit.

[buddha]

it's sad because you're not a troll. you actually believe what you post.

[CAstill]

If Kobe wins 7 rings, adds 2 FMVP's, another regular season MVP on top of becoming the all time scoring leader he will then have a legitimate case for being GOAT.

[kennethgriffin]

Well then so does D. Wade.

And Tim Duncan.


lol tim and wade have a 0% chance of accomplishing 90% of what i listed

at most they could get lucky and win more rings. other than that they don't have the resume kobe has or could very likely have

hows wade and duncan gonna get to 38k points when they both only have like 15-19k right now with 1-2 years left on their body clock :lol

god knows wade wont ever reach 13-14 first team all nba's when he only has 2 after a decade of basketball

[WayOfWade]

You say all that, like Kobe will come back stronger from his Achilles surgery. The odds of all this happening, are the same as Wade passing Kobe All-time.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Nah, that ship has sailed (was there ever a ship, really? :oldlol:)

[coin24]

You can't be a GOAT if you were a sidekick for as long as he was.

Lepiggyback says hi! GOAT sidekick. Dis gon be eaasssyyy:oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

You can't be a GOAT if you were a sidekick for as long as he was.


kareem was a side kick for a decade and he is allot of peoples choice for goat


when your side kick is also a top 10 all time legend. it isnt something to hold against someone


prime jordan woulda been a side kick to prime shaq


something to be ashamed of is being a side kick to tony parker for half a decade



lol why do i always own you silkthefocker :lol

[LALakerFan4Life]

Kobe winning 6 or 7 NBA titles will be enough to put him over Michael.

[SilkkTheShocker]

If Kobe wins 7 rings, adds 2 FMVP's, another regular season MVP on top of becoming the all time scoring leader he will then have a legitimate case for being GOAT.

Yea, none of that is happening.

[cos88]

what an idiot.


he already is the goat copycat, chucker, rapist and sidekick. :bowdown: how great is our god?

i hope i didn't forgot something :confusedshrug:

[kennethgriffin]

Yea, none of that is happening.


its not likely. but its obviously possible

kobe is still in the convo for mvp every year. his team record just needs to improve

if wade and russ take on larger roles. then kobe goes off. he can easly take it

last year he averaged 27/5/5. hes still putting up mvp numbers

if the lakers panned out/gelled sooner and howard/nash played up to par without injuries. the lakers coulda easly ended up with the #1 seed

who knows maybe theyel get some better pieces back for howard


and whos stopping the lakers from winning if they do figure it out? the lucky a** heat or old pride broken spurs... the thunder are still nothing to worry about


this league is pretty weak atm

kobe could own it easly with 1 healthy year from everyone

[2010splash]

He might not even be a top 10 player of all time!

He doesn't even have the greatest peak at the SG position of his own era!

His ceiling is #10 all time. Sorry Kobe stans, but that's the truth.

[SilkkTheShocker]

kareem was a side kick for a decade and he is allot of peoples choice for goat


when your side kick is also a top 10 all time legend. it isnt something to hold against someone


prime jordan woulda been a side kick to prime shaq


something to be ashamed of is being a side kick to tony parker for half a decade




lol why do i always own you silkthefocker :lol

Sidekick, plain and simple. His case for GOAT took a mega hit before it even really got off the ground. And thats no even factoring getting carried by your team in a game 7 of the Finals, missing the playoffs on a team with Odom/Butler, losing a Finals series with 3 hall of fame teammates, etc. This is GOAT material to you? Im not seeing it.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

The records you are talking about are highly unlikely to occur given that he is already older than 34 and coming off a very very serious injury.
He simply cannot continue to be a top-5 player in the league.

[SavageMode]

Lawl, Kobe stans are the most delusional.
First think they can pull off a sign-and-trade from Dwight and now this? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobe has been carried by Shaq for 3 rings and 1 from Pau 30pt games and Odom, 6th man of the year.

While MJ lead the charge for his 6 rings.
As did Lebron for his past 2.
As did Shaq for his 3 of 4.

Kobe is a good role player however.

[2010splash]

Kobe led a stacked team with Nash, Gasol, and Howard to a 7th seed and a first round sweep.

Now he's going to lose Howard which makes his crappy 7th seed team even worse!

Dude has no opportunity to win rings unless he leaves LA in 2014.

[Kingwillball]

LOL Your Lucky if KObe is even a 20 ppg scorer if he comes back.. Lebron has already passed Kobe on the all time lists so his GOAT chances are long gone.

[fpliii]

griff - Not the best time to worry about this. Keeping Dwight is #1 right now, everything else is subordinate.

[KG215]

Kobe led a stacked team with Nash, Gasol, and Howard to a 7th seed and a first round sweep.

Now he's going to lose Howard which makes his crappy 7th seed team even worse!

Dude has no opportunity to win rings unless he leaves LA in 2014.
:oldlol:

Yet, just a few years ago, you were a huge Kobe fan and giving LeBron shit for joining the Heat and his team of superfriends.

[SilkkTheShocker]

its not likely. but its obviously possible

kobe is still in the convo for mvp every year. his team record just needs to improve

if wade and russ take on larger roles. then kobe goes off. he can easly take it

last year he averaged 27/5/5. hes still putting up mvp numbers

if the lakers panned out/gelled sooner and howard/nash played up to par without injuries. the lakers coulda easly ended up with the #1 seed

who knows maybe theyel get some better pieces back for howard


and whos stopping the lakers from winning if they do figure it out? the lucky a** heat or old pride broken spurs... the thunder are still nothing to worry about


this league is pretty weak atm

kobe could own it easly with 1 healthy year from everyone


Yea, you're delusional.

[SilkkTheShocker]

He might not even be a top 10 player of all time!

He doesn't even have the greatest peak at the SG position of his own era!

His ceiling is #10 all time. Sorry Kobe stans, but that's the truth.

He is top 10, but he is the next guy that gets pushed out now that Hakeem is out.

[dh144498]

:oldlol:

Yet, just a few years ago, you were a huge Kobe fan and giving LeBron shit for joining the Heat and his team of superfriends.

:lol
already exposed tazb with multiple sources.
Where are 2010splash's old posts? His friend probably used to post with that account too.
:roll:

[kennethgriffin]

Sidekick, plain and simple. His case for GOAT took a mega hit before it even really got off the ground. And thats no even factoring getting carried by your team in a game 7 of the Finals, missing the playoffs on a team with Odom/Butler, losing a Finals series with 3 hall of fame teammates, etc. This is GOAT material to you? Im not seeing it.

na

its prime shaq. you lose


prime shaq > prime jordan

[kennethgriffin]

He is top 10, but he is the next guy that gets pushed out now that Hakeem is out.


on your list...

most people in and around the league have kobe top 5

most people in the world have kobe top 3

only some message board trolls have him #9 or #10 lol

:roll:

[SavageMode]

LOL Your Lucky if KObe is even a 20 ppg scorer if he comes back.. Lebron has already passed Kobe on the all time lists so his GOAT chances are long gone.
This

[BBallZen83]

No... No he doesn't. Try hoping for the Lakers to have an above 500 season, and keep this fantasy tucked in the dark recesses of your psyche.

[SilkkTheShocker]

on your list...

most people in and around the league have kobe top 5

most people in the world have kobe top 3

only some message board trolls have him #9 or #10 lol

:roll:


I find it hilarious how upset you're getting over an ISH opinion. Maybe go out and get some fresh air. It's not often a veteran troll like yourself loses their composure like this. I thought you were supposed to be one of the best?

[TonyMontana]

There are only two ways to rise through all-time rankings

1) Become a better player

2) Lead a team to rings

At 34 years old we've already seen the best of Kobe, he isn't getting any better. You can rule #1 off that list.

He also can't lead a team to rings. LAs only hope of winnings rings is if they have MULTIPLE al-stars unders age 30 that Kobe can piggybank ride just like he piggy banked Prime Shaq and piggy banked Gasol-Bynum-Odom who was the best frontcourt trio since 80s Celtics.

Enjoy the lottery and/or first round exits kenneth. Kobe is irrelevant to what happens in the NBA. The title goes through the team with the real best player, LeBron James.

[2010splash]

:oldlol:

Yet, just a few years ago, you were a huge Kobe fan and giving LeBron shit for joining the Heat and his team of superfriends.
Oh right... based on that stalker creep chazzy

[kennethgriffin]

I find it hilarious how upset you're getting over an ISH opinion. Maybe go out and get some fresh air. It's not often a veteran troll like yourself loses their composure like this. I thought you were supposed to be one of the best?


lol your the sad one who's trying to dig a personal attack because i won't argue with you and just laugh when you post

a person who cares would try and change your opinion

i just don't care and accept that you have kobe 1 lebron from being bumped from the top 10.

thats like a christian or muslim having an opinion on other peoples religions. they don't really have a voice cause nobodies listening :oldlol:

[lebeast666]

Lol Kobes time has passed, he not even close to being the goat. Its LeBrons time now and he the only one that has a shot at GOAT status.

[jzek]

He will NEVER reach GOAT status! Why?

* Jordan was 6 for 6 in the finals... Kobe is 5 for 7
* But more importantly - Jordan is 6x FMVP... Kobe was FMVP only TWICE in 5 titles! Why? Because Shaq carried him to 3 titles

How can he be the GOAT when he got carried to so many titles?

[arifgokcen]

on your list...

most people in and around the league have kobe top 5

most people in the world have kobe top 3

only some message board trolls have him #9 or #10 lol

:roll:
Dude on GOAT list i can assure you he is not top 5.Doesnt matter how you put it.He just doesnt stack up to other players in top 5.

and this is coming from a fan that started watching nba regularly just because of Kobe.

Let me put it this way i have never seen a non-lakers fan put kobe on their top 5-6

Definitely higher than kobe
MJ
KAJ
Magic(please dont quote me magic saying that kobe is the greatest lakers because he also said that lebron is the only player that can be GOAT when he is done so dont quote me magic he was one of the best players i have ever seen but as an commentator he sucks)
Shaq
Bill Russell
Wilt

After these at best you can rank kobe at #7.Ahead of bird-duncan-lebron-hakeem

Generally most people rank him either at #8 or #9 behind bird.

and i love kobe but as an objective fan i cant put him higher than #7.It just wouldnt be right.

[kennethgriffin]

Dude on GOAT list i can assure you he is not top 5.Doesnt matter how you put it.He just doesnt stack up to other players in top 5.

and this is coming from a fan that started watching nba regularly just because of Kobe.

Let me put it this way i have never seen a non-lakers fan put kobe on their top 5-6

Definitely higher than kobe
MJ
KAJ
Magic(please dont quote me magic saying that kobe is the greatest lakers because he also said that lebron is the only player that can be GOAT when he is done so dont quote me magic he was one of the best players i have ever seen but as an commentator he sucks)
Shaq
Bill Russell
Wilt

After these at best you can rank kobe at #7.Ahead of bird-duncan-lebron-hakeem

Generally most people rank him either at #8 or #9 behind bird.

and i love kobe but as an objective fan i cant put him higher than #7.It just wouldnt be right.


most of the world thinks kobe and jordan are the 2 greatest players of all time

i'l live with message boards disagreeing lol

[NBASTATMAN]

he says hes playing 3 more years

these things are almost guaranteed


- all time scoring record 38K points ( 5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time playoff scoring record 6-7K points ( 1-1.5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time record 13 to 14 first team all nba's ( 3-4 more than MJ )
- all time record 9 first team all defense's ( tied with MJ already for #1 )
- all time record 5 allstar game mvps ( already has the record at 4, will get 1 more )
- all time record most consecutive allstar starts ( 18 straight games 1998-2016 )


possibilities

- 6-7 nba championships
- 3-4 finals mvps


i don't see him getting another league mvp unless lebron has an injury and westbrook continues to take more of a role with the thunder

but he could steal 1 more if lucky... by averaging 28ppg and the lakers getting #1 seed in west.


i'd say this is a solid case for goat conversation



That ship sailed long ago :roll:

[Kiddlovesnets]

Nope, he does not even have a shot to make it to top 10 GOAT, let alone be top 5 or the No.1 GOAT.
:no:

[SavageMode]

There are only two ways to rise through all-time rankings

1) Become a better player

2) Lead a team to rings

At 34 years old we've already seen the best of Kobe, he isn't getting any better. You can rule #1 off that list.

He also can't lead a team to rings. LAs only hope of winnings rings is if they have MULTIPLE al-stars unders age 30 that Kobe can piggybank ride just like he piggy banked Prime Shaq and piggy banked Gasol-Bynum-Odom who was the best frontcourt trio since 80s Celtics.

Enjoy the lottery and/or first round exits kenneth. Kobe is irrelevant to what happens in the NBA. The title goes through the team with the real best player, LeBron James.
This.

kennethgriffin got ethered.

The whole world may think Kobe is top 2 but basketball analysts, players, coaches, actual credible sources know Kobe is at most Top 10. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

[rhythmic]

he says hes playing 3 more years

these things are almost guaranteed


- all time scoring record 38K points ( 5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time playoff scoring record 6-7K points ( 1-1.5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time record 13 to 14 first team all nba's ( 3-4 more than MJ )
- all time record 9 first team all defense's ( tied with MJ already for #1 )
- all time record 5 allstar game mvps ( already has the record at 4, will get 1 more )
- all time record most consecutive allstar starts ( 18 straight games 1998-2016 )


possibilities

- 6-7 nba championships
- 3-4 finals mvps


i don't see him getting another league mvp unless lebron has an injury and westbrook continues to take more of a role with the thunder

but he could steal 1 more if lucky... by averaging 28ppg and the lakers getting #1 seed in west.


i'd say this is a solid case for goat conversation

If, and it's a BIG if, he achieves all that in the next three years then he is most definitely in the top three player list. Kareem is pretty much a concesus top three player due to his longevity and winning. If Kobe breaks all those records, becomes the all-time leading scorer and wins 6-7 championships; then only Jordan, Russel & Kareem would have a comparable resume, IMO.

[GrapeApe]

most of the world thinks kobe and jordan are the 2 greatest players of all time

i'l live with message boards disagreeing lol

Top 2 SG? Sure. I've never heard anyone anywhere say he's a top 2 overall player. That's nonsense. The reality is he'll be 35 coming off of a major injury. It wouldn't shock me if he returned and played at a high level, but realistically it's doubtful that he'll be the anywhere near the same player.

[Calabis]

he says hes playing 3 more years

these things are almost guaranteed


- all time scoring record 38K points ( 5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time playoff scoring record 6-7K points ( 1-1.5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time record 13 to 14 first team all nba's ( 3-4 more than MJ )
- all time record 9 first team all defense's ( tied with MJ already for #1 )
- all time record 5 allstar game mvps ( already has the record at 4, will get 1 more )
- all time record most consecutive allstar starts ( 18 straight games 1998-2016 )


possibilities

- 6-7 nba championships
- 3-4 finals mvps


i don't see him getting another league mvp unless lebron has an injury and westbrook continues to take more of a role with the thunder

but he could steal 1 more if lucky... by averaging 28ppg and the lakers getting #1 seed in west.


i'd say this is a solid case for goat conversation

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/04/13/0413-kobe-bryant-getty-3.jpg

http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a453/PandoBlack/facepalm.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/PandoBlack/media/facepalm.gif.html)

[rhythmic]

http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a453/PandoBlack/facepalm.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/PandoBlack/media/facepalm.gif.html)

:roll:

[inclinerator]

even if he does all that he wont be the goat

[ispin69]

GOAT with only 2 rings as the best player? :oldlol:
Lakers can't bring in anyone being over the cap and paying him 30 million this year. He's not winning anything anytime soon.

[7_cody]

He can definitely move up but he will never be GOAT. I can see him finishing his career around 6-8. I do not see him winning back to back championships again. I hate to say this, but I doubt that he/we win another championship.

[DuMa]

the only hope is for him to get amnestied in july and getting hitched along the ride for a team with a flexible cap situation. and then hopefully getting the best player on that team injured while kobe can take the glory away and somehow lucking his way to 2 titles again.

that will take a lot of luck, sweat, ice baths and referee rigging.

its not happening.

[tazb]

:roll: delusional as hell. As of now, Dwight's not re-signing, and D'Antoni is still your coach. Kobe needs two all-star 7 footers and the greatest coach of all-time in Phil Jackson to win rings. AKA it's not happening. IMO his legacy will take big hits if he doesn't lead his team to the playoffs/deep playoff runs until he retires, if he doesn't, he'll be slowly moving down the all-time list.

[7_cody]

:roll: delusional as hell. As of now, Dwight's not re-signing, and D'Antoni is still your coach. Kobe needs two all-star 7 footers and the greatest coach of all-time in Phil Jackson to win rings. AKA it's not happening. IMO his legacy will take big hits if he doesn't lead his team to the playoffs/deep playoff runs until he retires, if he doesn't, he'll be slowly moving down the all-time list.

He has only won one championship with two all-star 7-footers. When you consider the fact that Bynum played a very minimal role...

Well, whatever, you can think what you want, even if it isn't true

[Heavincent]

Kobe needs two all-star 7 footers

???

Bynum post season stats

07-08 - DNP
08-09 - 6/4
09-10 - 9/7

Those are all-star numbers? :confusedshrug:

[tmacattack33]

lol tim and wade have a 0% chance of accomplishing 90% of what i listed

at most they could get lucky and win more rings. other than that they don't have the resume kobe has or could very likely have

hows wade and duncan gonna get to 38k points when they both only have like 15-19k right now with 1-2 years left on their body clock :lol

god knows wade wont ever reach 13-14 first team all nba's when he only has 2 after a decade of basketball

No.


To become the GOAT your peak has to get to MJ's level or get above it. Kobe's peak was not at that level.

And Kobe, who turns 35 in two months and is coming off of a very serious injury, will not somehow become a better player next year than he was from 2006 to 2008. I'd give that about a .001% chance of happening.

I'd give a 31 year old Wade a better chance to somehow become a better player next year than he was in his peak. It's not likely at all. I'd give it about a .005% chance...but that's more than I'd give Kobe.

[TheWalkman]

these things are almost guaranteed


- all time scoring record 38K points ( 5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time playoff scoring record 6-7K points ( 1-1.5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time record 13 to 14 first team all nba's ( 3-4 more than MJ )
- all time record 9 first team all defense's ( tied with MJ already for #1 )
- all time record 5 allstar game mvps ( already has the record at 4, will get 1 more )
- all time record most consecutive allstar starts ( 18 straight games 1998-2016 )




If those things don't happen, will you stop posting here? How about it? You've already said you'd stop watching basketball and stop posting here a month ago, that obviously didn't happen.

K? Deal??

[cos88]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/xediW.gif

[TheMarkMadsen]

this thread was made 10 months ago and is about a prediction that would potentially unfold in 3-4 years..

:confusedshrug:

[TheMilkyBarKid]

this thread was made 10 months ago and is about a prediction that would potentially unfold in 3-4 years..

:confusedshrug:
do you think Kobe could still be the GOAT?
Yes or no will do.

[russwest0]

If he gets the scoring record and wins 2 more rings he'd at least be in the discussion for GOAT.

But those two things aren't gonna happen.

[Angel Face]

No chance at all.

[russwest0]

People on here still really underestimating his skill I see. His season last year is one of the GOAT seasons for a 34 year old.

It's funny because the league was so hell bent on getting LA into the playoffs at all cost, it actually ended up injuring Kobe and causing him to miss almost all of this season.

Everyone who was watching that game he got hurt in knows that with even remotely fair officiating the Warriors would of had a sizeable lead at the point where Kobe got hurt. Like they could have very well been up by 20. League got their wish though, the Lakers made the playoffs and got demolished by the Spurs. :oldlol:

[TylerOO]

http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/nicolas-cage-laughing.gif

[DonDadda59]

http://i.minus.com/iH5RgFomZiK60.gif

[Derka]

He's top 10, you should be grateful for just that. No one is touching MJ.

That.

[Rodmantheman]

People on here still really underestimating his skill I see. His season last year is one of the GOAT seasons for a 34 year old.

It's funny because the league was so hell bent on getting LA into the playoffs at all cost, it actually ended up injuring Kobe and causing him to miss almost all of this season.

Everyone who was watching that game he got hurt in knows that with even remotely fair officiating the Warriors would of had a sizeable lead at the point where Kobe got hurt. Like they could have very well been up by 20. League got their wish though, the Lakers made the playoffs and got demolished by the Spurs. :oldlol:

:applause:

[Hoopz2332]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/xediW.gif


:oldlol:

[Calabis]

he says hes playing 3 more years

these things are almost guaranteed


- all time scoring record 38K points ( 5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time playoff scoring record 6-7K points ( 1-1.5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time record 13 to 14 first team all nba's ( 3-4 more than MJ )
- all time record 9 first team all defense's ( tied with MJ already for #1 )
- all time record 5 allstar game mvps ( already has the record at 4, will get 1 more )
- all time record most consecutive allstar starts ( 18 straight games 1998-2016 )


possibilities

- 6-7 nba championships
- 3-4 finals mvps


i don't see him getting another league mvp unless lebron has an injury and westbrook continues to take more of a role with the thunder

but he could steal 1 more if lucky... by averaging 28ppg and the lakers getting #1 seed in west.


i'd say this is a solid case for goat conversation

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxtot3HUZn1qeohifo1_500.gif

[BBallZen83]

http://img.pandawhale.com/50246-so-youre-saying-theres-a-chanc-toCD.jpeg

[chris02jammers]

he says hes playing 3 more years

these things are almost guaranteed


- all time scoring record 38K points ( 5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time playoff scoring record 6-7K points ( 1-1.5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time record 13 to 14 first team all nba's ( 3-4 more than MJ )
- all time record 9 first team all defense's ( tied with MJ already for #1 )
- all time record 5 allstar game mvps ( already has the record at 4, will get 1 more )
- all time record most consecutive allstar starts ( 18 straight games 1998-2016 )


possibilities

- 6-7 nba championships
- 3-4 finals mvps


i don't see him getting another league mvp unless lebron has an injury and westbrook continues to take more of a role with the thunder

but he could steal 1 more if lucky... by averaging 28ppg and the lakers getting #1 seed in west.


i'd say this is a solid case for goat conversation

Well LeBron will erase everything that you posted

[StrongLurk]

he says hes playing 3 more years

these things are almost guaranteed


- all time scoring record 38K points ( 5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time playoff scoring record 6-7K points ( 1-1.5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time record 13 to 14 first team all nba's ( 3-4 more than MJ )
- all time record 9 first team all defense's ( tied with MJ already for #1 )
- all time record 5 allstar game mvps ( already has the record at 4, will get 1 more )
- all time record most consecutive allstar starts ( 18 straight games 1998-2016 )


possibilities

- 6-7 nba championships
- 3-4 finals mvps


i don't see him getting another league mvp unless lebron has an injury and westbrook continues to take more of a role with the thunder

but he could steal 1 more if lucky... by averaging 28ppg and the lakers getting #1 seed in west.


i'd say this is a solid case for goat conversation

As long as Kobe is the GOAT in your mind, what does it matter what other people think?

[red1]

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[AnaheimLakers24]

hes been goat so :confusedshrug:

[Real Men Wear Green]

Sure...with a rifle and a barn.

[red1]

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[Bob Dole]

He never had a shot. Not at any point in his career was he without question the best player in the league. A player like that simply can't be the goat.

I've easily seen 20+ more impactful players than him in my time watching basketball.

[Im Still Ballin]

Kobe is the GOAT...















































At raping honeys.

[DuMa]

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[dazzer87]

Kobe is the GOAT...















































At raping honeys and being a RAT.
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[CeilingFan#1]

he says hes playing 3 more years

these things are almost guaranteed


- all time scoring record 38K points ( 5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time playoff scoring record 6-7K points ( 1-1.5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time record 13 to 14 first team all nba's ( 3-4 more than MJ )
- all time record 9 first team all defense's ( tied with MJ already for #1 )
- all time record 5 allstar game mvps ( already has the record at 4, will get 1 more )
- all time record most consecutive allstar starts ( 18 straight games 1998-2016 )


possibilities

- 6-7 nba championships
- 3-4 finals mvps


i don't see him getting another league mvp unless lebron has an injury and westbrook continues to take more of a role with the thunder

but he could steal 1 more if lucky... by averaging 28ppg and the lakers getting #1 seed in west.


i'd say this is a solid case for goat conversation

:roll:

[WallIn]

Injury is a bitch.

But he never had any shot to begin with. Break the scoring record, maybe...if he was healthy. But GOAT? No way

[kennethgriffin]

he says hes playing 3 more years

these things are almost guaranteed


- all time scoring record 38K points ( 5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time playoff scoring record 6-7K points ( 1-1.5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time record 13 to 14 first team all nba's ( 3-4 more than MJ )
- all time record 9 first team all defense's ( tied with MJ already for #1 )
- all time record 5 allstar game mvps ( already has the record at 4, will get 1 more )
- all time record most consecutive allstar starts ( 18 straight games 1998-2016 )


possibilities

- 6-7 nba championships
- 3-4 finals mvps


i don't see him getting another league mvp unless lebron has an injury and westbrook continues to take more of a role with the thunder

but he could steal 1 more if lucky... by averaging 28ppg and the lakers getting #1 seed in west.


i'd say this is a solid case for goat conversation



all the bolded things could still happen or already did happen

i dont get the bump. kobe will play another 4 years

[J Shuttlesworth]

all the bolded things could still happen or already did happen

i dont get the bump. kobe will play another 4 years
IF Kobe were to win 7 rings, 3 of them would be sidekick and don't have the weight that Jordan's do. He'd need 6 FMVPs to even be in contention

[kennethgriffin]

IF Kobe were to win 7 rings, 3 of them would be sidekick and don't have the weight that Jordan's do. He'd need 6 FMVPs to even be in contention

kareem and russell have 3 or more sidekick rings

theyre goat candidates

and they did allot less than kobe did for his 1st 3 technically

25/5/5 combined 3peat average with shaq

29/7/6 in 2001

not too many "sidekicks" were as dominant as kobe...

[J Shuttlesworth]

kareem and russell have 3 or more sidekick rings

theyre goat candidates

and they did allot less than kobe did for his 1st 3 technically

25/5/5 combined 3peat average with shaq

29/7/6 in 2001

not too many "sidekicks" were as dominant as kobe...
Notice they're candidates, not GOAT right? Kobe stands no chance at GOAT because of jordan. 6 FMVPs is something Kobe could never achieve

[Real Men Wear Green]

Notice they're candidates, not GOAT right? Kobe stands no chance at GOAT because of jordan. 6 FMVPs is something Kobe could never achieve
He has 1 MVP award. I don't see any "GOAT" in any sport with one MVP award.

[J Shuttlesworth]

He has 1 MVP award. I don't see any "GOAT" in any sport with one MVP award.
Agreed, and the fact that he was never the clear cut best player in the league doesn't help him.

[Ne 1]

Not at any point in his career was he without question the best player in the league.


2006-2008.


2006- He took his game to another level. Unbelievable individual feats, and the team overachieved, too. Phil Jackson asked Kobe to carry the team until they learned the triangle, and they ended up with 45 wins despite that in a stacked Western Conference, and not much of a cast outside of Lamar Odom who was inconsistent and didn't play like an All-Star level until the second half of the season.

2007- Not as clear as the previous year since I don't think he was quite as good, though he was close. This was the 2nd year in a row that I thought Kobe was clearly the best in the game. Duncan does have a case in hindsight, but I'm sticking with what I thought back in 2007.

2008- It was clear again. Kobe played at his best from an all around standpoint, his best defensive season since the 3-peat years, his best job as a facilitator ever and his most mature, unselfish and intelligent ball. It's right up there with '06 as his best season. The Lakers were 25-11 early at the time of Bynum's injury, Kobe kept them going until they acquired Pau Gasol, then Gasol was injured and he kept them going and they ended up with the best record in one of the most
Not at any point in his career was he without question the best player in the league. 2006-2008. 2006- He took his game to another level. Unbelievable individual feats, and the team overachieved, too. Phil Jackson asked Kobe to carry the team until they learned the triangle, and they ended up with 45 wins despite that in a stacked Western Conference, and not much of a cast outside of Lamar Odom who was inconsistent and didn't play like an All-Star until the second half 2007- Not as clear as the previous year since I don't think he was quite as good, though he was close. This was the 2nd year in a row that I thought Kobe was clearly the best in the game. Duncan does have a case in hindsight, but I'm sticking with what I thought back in 2007. 2008- It was clear again. Kobe played at his best from an all around standpoint, his best defensive season since the 3-peat years, his best job as a facilitator ever and his most mature, unselfish and intelligent ball. It's right up there with '06 as his best season. The Lakers were 25-11 early at the time of Bynum's injury, Kobe kept them going until they acquired Pau Gasol, then Gasol was injured and he kept them going and they ended up with the best record in one of the most competitive conferences ever. Kobe's balance between getting his teammates involved early and taking over later was reminiscent of Jordan that season. He was a great playmaker, a deadly scorer who did play unselfishly for the most part, he rebounded very well for a guard.
competitive conferences ever. Kobe's balance between getting his teammates involved early and taking over later was reminiscent of Jordan that season. He was a great playmaker, a deadly scorer who did play unselfishly for the most part, he rebounded very well for a guard.

[ArbitraryWater]

If Kobe is GOAT, he needs to be superior to Jordan...

So, let's do the comparison:

PHYSICAL GIFTS:

Height: Even

Weight: Michael Jordan

Strength: Michael Jordan

Vertical: Michael Jordan

Foot Speed: Michael Jordan

Hand Size: Michael Jordan

BASKETBALL FUNDAMENTALS:

Passing: Even

Finishing: Michael Jordan

Mid-Range: Kobe Bryant

Long-Range: Kobe Bryant

Footwork: Kobe Bryant

Off-Hand Mastery: Kobe Bryant

DEFENSE:

On-Ball Defense: Even

Passing Lanes: Even

INTANGIBLES:

Awareness: Even

Love of the Game: Kobe Bryant

Attention to Detail: Kobe Bryant

Basketball I.Q.: Kobe Bryant

Harder Worker: Kobe Bryant

Leadership: Even








OH SHIT :eek:

Having a huge wtf moment rn... I was wrong on Kobe for so long too... damn.

Kobe might actually be GOAT.

[Demitri98]

If Kobe is GOAT, he needs to be superior to Jordan...

So, let's do the comparison:

PHYSICAL GIFTS:

Height: Even

Weight: Michael Jordan

Strength: Michael Jordan

Vertical: Michael Jordan

Foot Speed: Michael Jordan

Hand Size: Michael Jordan

BASKETBALL FUNDAMENTALS:

Passing: Michael Jordan

Finishing: Michael Jordan

Mid-Range: Kobe Bryant

Long-Range: Kobe Bryant

Footwork: Kobe Bryant

Off-Hand Mastery: Kobe Bryant

DEFENSE:

On-Ball Defense: Michael Jordan

Passing Lanes: Michael Jordan

INTANGIBLES:

Awareness: Michael Jordan

Love of the Game: Kobe Bryant

Attention to Detail: Kobe Bryant

Basketball I.Q.: Michael Jordan

Harder Worker: Kobe Bryant

Leadership: Michael Jordan
Fixed.

[ralph_i_el]

less MVP's than Steve Nash. Didn't even deserve it in the year he got it.

[KobesFinger]

Lets be honest, if Kobe has a shot at GOAT its a half court fade-away jumper, the basket is 20 feet high and the ball is a bowling ball.

[I<3NBA]

Lets be honest, if Kobe has a shot at GOAT its a half court fade-away jumper, the basket is 20 feet high and the ball is a bowling ball.
so you're saying there's a chance?

Kobetards would take it

[G0ATbe]

Already is imo, but once he accomplishes all of this I can see even the stat nerds/MJ/LeBald fans on this site giving up and accepting him as GOAT as well.

[Mr. Jabbar]

well,he has a case right now and he is aging very well so of course op, of course.

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan: 5 MVP's, 6 Finals MVP's, 10 scoring titles
Kobe: 1 MVP, 2 Finals MVP's, 2 scoring titles

Jordan in the regular season: 30, 6, 5 on 50%
Kobe in the regular season: 26, 5, 5 on 45%

Jordan in the playoffs: 33, 6, 6 on 49%
Kobe in the playoffs: 26, 5, 5 on 45%

Jordan in the Finals: 34, 6, 6 on 48%
Kobe in the Finals: 25, 6, 5 on 42%

And people actually think this is debatable :oldlol:

[ILLsmak]

Lets be honest, if Kobe has a shot at GOAT its a half court fade-away jumper, the basket is 20 feet high and the ball is a bowling ball.

haha. arite...

Nice mental image. I think Kobe would take that shot and expect to make it tho.

-Smak

[Prometheus]

Every time I see one of these threads by kenneth, I can't help but wonder if he has these Kobe-centric conversations with people in real life. I can picture him as like a pizza delivery driver, showing up at the door... the guy buying the pizza has a Jordan hat on... suddenly kenneth starts going on a little rant... he's just so obsessed, you know? It seems unhealthy.

[TheMan]

he says hes playing 3 more years

these things are almost guaranteed


- all time scoring record 38K points ( 5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time playoff scoring record 6-7K points ( 1-1.5 thousand more than MJ )
- all time record 13 to 14 first team all nba's ( 3-4 more than MJ )
- all time record 9 first team all defense's ( tied with MJ already for #1 )
- all time record 5 allstar game mvps ( already has the record at 4, will get 1 more )
- all time record most consecutive allstar starts ( 18 straight games 1998-2016 )


possibilities

- 6-7 nba championships
- 3-4 finals mvps


i don't see him getting another league mvp unless lebron has an injury and westbrook continues to take more of a role with the thunder

but he could steal 1 more if lucky... by averaging 28ppg and the lakers getting #1 seed in west.


i'd say this is a solid case for goat conversation
:oldlol:

[LALakerFan4Life]

No. Not even if Kobe wins 7 NBA titles. No. Micheal Jordan is the greatest of all time. Can still be the 2nd greatest winning 6 or 7 NBA titles.

[sportjames23]

Jordan: 5 MVP's, 6 Finals MVP's, 10 scoring titles
Kobe: 1 MVP, 2 Finals MVP's, 2 scoring titles

Jordan in the regular season: 30, 6, 5 on 50%
Kobe in the regular season: 26, 5, 5 on 45%

Jordan in the playoffs: 33, 6, 6 on 49%
Kobe in the playoffs: 26, 5, 5 on 45%

Jordan in the Finals: 34, 6, 6 on 48%
Kobe in the Finals: 25, 6, 5 on 42%

And people actually think this is debatable :oldlol:


This needs repeating. :lol

[sportjames23]

Every time I see one of these threads by kenneth, I can't help but wonder if he has these Kobe-centric conversations with people in real life. I can picture him as like a pizza delivery driver, showing up at the door... the guy buying the pizza has a Jordan hat on... suddenly kenneth starts going on a little rant... he's just so obsessed, you know? It seems unhealthy.


I could actually see this happening. :oldlol:

[rhowen4]

kenneth, does lebron still have a shot at goat?

[Cold soul]

There's nothing Kobe can do now to go down as GOAT his highest possible ceiling is top 5 and still has some work to do to get there. MJ was just on much higher level than Kobe ever achieved this isn't an insult either. I love Kobe but facts are facts...