Anyone Else Like The Bennett Pick?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Aside from maybe McClemore, he had the most potential in the draft out of anyone imo.

[LBJMVP]

yes... so happy we didnt pick len like alot of people had us taking.

knew it wasn't gonna be noel.

so that left me with mclenmore or porter.

bennet is a surprise pick, but i love what he brings to the table. freshman pf with huge upside and outside shot.

and i am sooo happy we got karasev at 19!

love the draft. interested in what happens with TT though.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Its hard to really question Cleveland passing on Noel or McClemore after they both dropped like they did.

[Fudge]

Still wondering how they're gonna play this out though. Is he gonna play the 3? Seems like he's big and strong enough to match up against most 3's, but seems like he isn't quick enough to defend them. His jumpshot isn't exactly reliable yet either. Or have they quickly given up on Thompson and have Bennett start at the 4, his natural position. Idk, to me, Noel or Len would have been the "safe" pick.

[NattyPButter]

Don't care...wouldn't even care if they traded him either. Bennett and a future 1st round for Kevin Love make it happen.

[bdreason]

I had Bennett as the best player in the draft... but I'm a terrible scout.

[dbk123]

lol im guessing you were a lebron stan that moved on to the heat after he left. that explains why you would you like the pick for cleveland


and if bennet cant defend/play at the 3 then they are screwed. he is 6'7 in shoes and injury prone

[kaiteng]

Cavs basically play it "safe".

[SilkkTheShocker]

lol im guessing you were a lebron stan that moved on to the heat after he left. that explains why you would you like the pick for cleveland


and if bennet cant defend/play at the 3 then they are screwed. he is 6'7 in shoes and injury prone

You're reaching a little too hard. I had Noel going to Cleveland like most, but I don't think it was bad pick if you're going for a home run. They have a cluster **** on their hands with Bennett and Thompson though.

[Kurosawa0]

Gotta probably move Tristan Thompson. Atlanta might be an interesting trade partner.

[PleezeBelieve]

This guy is a strictly POWER FORWARD.

What are the Cavs thinking with this pick?

Irving
Waiters
Who??
Tristan
Varejao -- who hasn't been healthy in three seasons?


That's their starting line up right there. Bennett is strictly a PF so...

Irving
Waiters
Who again?
Bennett
Tristan or Varejao


That's the only line up Bennett can play with. Which is a line up that is 6'9 and shorter with only Tristan and Waiters being the only decent defenders on the floor.

I need to know what this team is trying to do here... become the Golden State Warriors of the East, maybe?

[d.bball.guy]

Still wondering how they're gonna play this out though. Is he gonna play the 3? Seems like he's big and strong enough to match up against most 3's, but seems like he isn't quick enough to defend them. His jumpshot isn't exactly reliable yet either. Or have they quickly given up on Thompson and have Bennett start at the 4, his natural position. Idk, to me, Noel or Len would have been the "safe" pick.
This. I was shocked and left wondering how are they gonna play Thompson and Bennett together.

[brandonislegend]

Bennett = Paul Millsap, if you like that as your first pick in the draft then okay.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Still wondering how they're gonna play this out though. Is he gonna play the 3? Seems like he's big and strong enough to match up against most 3's, but seems like he isn't quick enough to defend them. His jumpshot isn't exactly reliable yet either. Or have they quickly given up on Thompson and have Bennett start at the 4, his natural position. Idk, to me, Noel or Len would have been the "safe" pick.

I doubt they gave up Thompson. He was pretty close to a 10-10 player last season. They might be rolling out an old school lineup where they just matchup Bennett/Thompson with whomever the coaching staff sees fit. The only lottery pick that was safe imo was Porter. Everyone else had injury questions or gigantic bust potential

[Kurosawa0]

This guy is a strictly POWER FORWARD.

What are the Cavs thinking with this pick?

Irving
Waiters
Who??
Tristan
Varejao -- who hasn't been healthy in three seasons?


That's their starting line up right there. Bennett is strictly a PF so...

Irving
Waiters
Who again?
Bennett
Tristan or Varejao


That's the only line up Bennett can play with. Which is a line up that is 6'9 and shorter with only Tristan and Waiters being the only decent defenders on the floor.

I need to know what this team is trying to do here... become the Golden State Warriors of the East, maybe?

To me, looks like Thompson should start packing.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Bennett = Paul Millsap, if you like that as your first pick in the draft then okay.

Bennett is a lot more athletic than Millsap. And considering you're wrong about everything, the Cavs probably made the right move. You were on here not too long ago talking about how Irving would be a bust. Now you're all over his balls :oldlol:

[PleezeBelieve]

Tristan is the best frontcourt defender on the team.

LMAO @ a Bennett/Zeller frontcourt :facepalm

[fpliii]

This guy is a strictly POWER FORWARD.

What are the Cavs thinking with this pick?

Irving
Waiters
Who??
Tristan
Varejao -- who hasn't been healthy in three seasons?


That's their starting line up right there. Bennett is strictly a PF so...

Irving
Waiters
Who again?
Bennett
Tristan or Varejao


That's the only line up Bennett can play with. Which is a line up that is 6'9 and shorter with only Tristan and Waiters being the only decent defenders on the floor.

I need to know what this team is trying to do here... become the Golden State Warriors of the East, maybe?

Not sure, but you guys can manage for a year until that ETO...

[Dolphin]

Still wondering how they're gonna play this out though. Is he gonna play the 3? Seems like he's big and strong enough to match up against most 3's, but seems like he isn't quick enough to defend them. His jumpshot isn't exactly reliable yet either. Or have they quickly given up on Thompson and have Bennett start at the 4, his natural position. Idk, to me, Noel or Len would have been the "safe" pick.

Didn't he shoot 38% from three? A 6'7"-6'8" freshman who shoots that well from the outside would give me more than enough confidence that he will be a good shooter in the NBA. What did you see from him that makes you worried? His form is fine.

Overall, not sure how he will pan out. Lateral quickness is the big question mark for me. I do think he might benefit from the more open style of the NBA kinda like how Barnes has.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Tristan is the best frontcourt defender on the team.

LMAO @ a Bennett/Zeller frontcourt :facepalm

Honestly, Thompson is probably getting traded in the near future. So it could be even worse.

[LBJMVP]

its obvious what cleveland was thinking.... they thought he had the highest upside and the guy who would struggle the least with the injury they had.


we have absolutely 0 frountcourt players who can shoot. so, now we have a great PF who can stretch the floor and is just a freshman.


if it wasn't gonna be noel than i'm glad it was anthony bennett. we havent gotten a pick wrong the last two years.

we will not be trading thompson.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Didn't he shoot 38% from three? A 6'7"-6'8" freshman who shoots that well from the outside would give me more than enough confidence that he will be a good shooter in the NBA. What did you see from him that makes you worried? His form is fine.


This. The big thing with Bennett is his defense. The guy will put the ball in the hoop. This was an extremely high risk pick. But I like what they did. And im usually really down on tweeners.

[PleezeBelieve]

its obvious what cleveland was thinking.... they thought he had the highest upside and the guy who would struggle the least with the injury they had.


we have absolutely 0 frountcourt players who can shoot. so, now we have a great PF who can stretch the floor and is just a freshman.


if it wasn't gonna be noel than i'm glad it was anthony bennett. we havent gotten a pick wrong the last two years.
I don't understand what you're talking about. Cavs have passed over each of the following the last three years:

Valancuinas
Drummond
Noel

I mean, what sense does that make when Varejao can't stay healthy? And oh btw, you trade up to draft Zeller last year.

Makes no sense.

[Fudge]

Didn't he shoot 38% from three? A 6'7"-6'8" freshman who shoots that well from the outside would give me more than enough confidence that he will be a good shooter in the NBA. What did you see from him that makes you worried? His form is fine.

Overall, not sure how he will pan out. Lateral quickness is the big question mark for me. I do think he might benefit from the more open style of the NBA kinda like how Barnes has.
Still inconsistent from 3 to be a regular SF in the league imo. I'm not even sure if he could play the position. He's just a natural 4.

If he were drafted onto any other team, there's no doubt in my mind that coaches would put him at the 4. Right off the bat. Just seemed like a bizarre pick with Thompson blossoming, and Varejao injured. Didn't they just trade for TRob too?

Idk, like a lock for CLE to get a Center or a SF... Len, Noel, Porter, maybe even Oladipo. I'd still take any of those guys ahead of Bennett.

[ProfessorMurder]

Bennett is going to be good. A worse Larry Johnson, but taller.

[Heavincent]

I kind of see Noel as Hasheem Thabeet 2.0, so I think it was smart not to take him. I'm sorry, but there's no way a shot blocking big with hardly any offensive ability coming off knee surgery should be a #1 pick.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

I don't hate it. I like that the Cavs have been doing their own thing in the draft, recently drafting high ceilings early (Tristan, Waiters, Bennett) while also getting safe role players later (Zeller, Russian guy).

SF seems to be the weakness, but Gee aint too bad, right? And I've liked Casspi when he was on the Kings. Solid jack-of-all-trades type. I like breaking down rosters to see how much I like them. Assuming they lose their FA's:

Varejao
Anthony Bennett
Gee
Waiters
Irving
-------
Tyler Zeller
Tristan Thompson
Casspi
Karasev
Ellington
CJ Miles

Not too bad. And room for a FA or 2. I think capable of contending for the #8 seed in the East w/ Mike Brown.

[Meticode]

Bennett = Paul Millsap, if you like that as your first pick in the draft then okay.
Except Bennett is more powerful around the rim than Milsap and plays above the rim. Milsap plays under the rim, but I understand the comparison.

All in all I'm fine with the pick. I will give the kid a fair shake for 2-3 years to develop. He came in and averaged 15/8 his freshman year at 27MPG. Pretty good.

Ideally he's a PF and that's where you'd want to play him. He'd be a nice fit as a stretch 4 for Irving/Waiters combo. But the real issue at hand here is what the hell happens to Tristan Thompson? He made such great progress last season when Varejao went down. Thompson isn't made to play the center position, but he can play it in short spurts by out-hustling bigger guys.

It just puts more questions in my head on what they're doing. You'd think if they felt Thompson was a long-term fit for that position they'd get Porter or Noel to fill there two weaker spots that come into play in the future.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Still inconsistent from 3 to be a regular SF in the league imo. I'm not even sure if he could play the position. He's just a natural 4.

If he were drafted onto any other team, there's no doubt in my mind that coaches would put him at the 4. Right off the bat. Just seemed like a bizarre pick with Thompson blossoming, and Varejao injured. Didn't they just trade for TRob too?

Idk, like a lock for CLE to get a Center or a SF... Len, Noel, Porter, maybe even Oladipo. I'd still take any of those guys ahead of Bennett.

Seems like the Cavs were focused solely on taking the most talented guy. Seeing as how Noel and McClemore slipped, it seems there was no real consensus among GMs who the BPA was. And Porter is overrated imo. At least if Bennett busts you can say you went for potential. Porter has low upside and poor lateral quickness.

[Fudge]

It's not a question of how good Bennett will be, he's gonna be great, probably one of the best players in the draft. It's just that they should of drafted for a position of need. They didn't neccessarily need Bennett with TT there, they needed an SF or C. So Porter, Len, Noel or even Oladipo would have made more sense.

[Fudge]

Seems like the Cavs were focused solely on taking the most talented guy. Seeing as how Noel and McClemore slipped, it seems there was no real consensus among GMs who the BPA was. And Porter is overrated imo. At least if Bennett busts you can say you went for potential. Porter has low upside and poor lateral quickness.
Seems like this is what it came down to with Cavs management.

But I probably still would have taken Oladipo if i were taking the most talented of the Top 5.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Except Bennett is more powerful around the rim than Milsap and plays above the rim. Milsap plays under the rim.


Don't worry, he will jump on his bandwagon if he dominates. Brandon was bashing Irving not too long ago. Now he is an Irving stan :oldlol:

[LBJMVP]

I don't understand what you're talking about. Cavs have passed over each of the following the last three years:

Valancuinas
Drummond
Noel

I mean, what sense does that make when Varejao can't stay healthy? And oh btw, you trade up to draft Zeller last year.

Makes no sense.



whatever... how can you not trust the cavs decision. i think it is a great pick for them. they obviouslty had a reason they didnt pick noel (probly knee and weight). it isn't like valancuinas or drummond were hugely successful either.

we made two great picks in 2011 and two great picks in 2012

and imo two great picks in 2013. bennett is a f*ckin beast. he is a freshman and already has a great game.

he isn't gonna win rookie of the year or anything, but he will be good.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Seems like this is what it came down to with Cavs management.

But I probably still would have taken Oladipo if i were taking the most talented of the Top 5.

Yea, Oladipo would have been an amazing compliment to Irving. Waiters is talented, but I don't think he is a great match in the backcourt.

[LBJMVP]

Didn't he shoot 38% from three? A 6'7"-6'8" freshman who shoots that well from the outside would give me more than enough confidence that he will be a good shooter in the NBA. What did you see from him that makes you worried? His form is fine.

Overall, not sure how he will pan out. Lateral quickness is the big question mark for me. I do think he might benefit from the more open style of the NBA kinda like how Barnes has.


i think he can be transformed into a small forward, but that may be me.... he is a freshman in college and can already shoot amazingly for his size. it isn't like he is a 4th year senior that is a tweener.

i may be the only cavs fan excited about the pick. i just found out about it an hour ago because i got home from work.

[Dolphin]

Still inconsistent from 3 to be a regular SF in the league imo. I'm not even sure if he could play the position. He's just a natural 4.

If he were drafted onto any other team, there's no doubt in my mind that coaches would put him at the 4. Right off the bat. Just seemed like a bizarre pick with Thompson blossoming, and Varejao injured. Didn't they just trade for TRob too?

Idk, like a lock for CLE to get a Center or a SF... Len, Noel, Porter, maybe even Oladipo. I'd still take any of those guys ahead of Bennett.

Fair enough. I just think his jump shot is the least of the Cavs worries. Whether he will pan out or not is another thing. People here seem to think they know everything...I'm gonna wait to watch him play.

But I will reiterate what I said in my last post. Like Barnes in GS this year, I think Bennett will benefit from a more open floor than anyone else in the draft.

If you watched him play in the Mountain West this past season, there were times I don't think a knife could have cut through some of those defenses, let alone a player with Bennett's bulk. He was forced to become a spot up and turn around shooter at times because defenses absolutely caved in on him. I don't know if you watched UNLV play against the likes of Colorado St, NM and SD St. I'd say that made his jumper look shakier than it is at times as well because he kinda forced shots he didn't need to take, but that's more a not handling the defense properly thing (coaches fault too) rather than any inherent shooting problem. Bennett will have a lot more room to breath in the NBA. But then again, for that same reason, his defense may get exposed even more.

[Meticode]

Don't worry, he will jump on his bandwagon if he dominates. Brandon was bashing Irving not too long ago. Now he is an Irving stan :oldlol:
I wasn't high on Irving either, but i admit I was wrong on that pick.

I like how PB bashed Irving when the Cavs picked him, now he's doing the same thing now when Bennett hasn't even stepped on the floor.

[brandonislegend]

Bennett is a lot more athletic than Millsap. And considering you're wrong about everything, the Cavs probably made the right move. You were on here not too long ago talking about how Irving would be a bust. Now you're all over his balls :oldlol:

Link me post where I said that, stop making bullshit up :oldlol:

[Meticode]

But I will reiterate what I said in my last post. Like Barnes in GS this year, I think Bennett will benefit from a more open floor than anyone else in the draft.
If he takes his 1 three a game like he did in college I'm fine with that. Especially if he hits them at a 33%+ clip. I'd like him to stay 17 feet within the bucket (ala Chris Webber).

[brandonislegend]

Don't worry, he will jump on his bandwagon if he dominates. Brandon was bashing Irving not too long ago. Now he is an Irving stan :oldlol:

Please link a post where you think I said that cause it was never said, stop embarrassing yourself.

[Dolphin]

If he takes his 1 three a game like he did in college I'm fine with that. Especially if he hits them at a 33%+ clip. I'd like him to stay 17 feet within the bucket (ala Chris Webber).

There really shouldn't be any excuse for him to hang around the three point line. The Cavs coaches really facked up if he has the mindset of shooting a lot of perimeter shots. It's easy for talented players to fall in love with the three, but hopefully his mentality dictates a more aggressive game and the coaching will play a important part. Nothing from what I've seen worries me too much about that, however.

[PleezeBelieve]

I never bashed Irving when he was drafted LMAO

[Meticode]

Is he currently injured right now? If so what is it? Recovery? I heard he was 250-260 right now because of the injury?

[Meticode]

I never bashed Irving when he was drafted LMAO
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216885

[d.bball.guy]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216885
Didn't he bash Waiters too?
:lol Bennett is gonna be a star

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216885
owned :oldlol: :applause:

[PleezeBelieve]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216885
That thread was made seven months before the draft. Once I did my advanced scouting, I pegged Irving exactly.

[Meticode]

Didn't he bash Waiters too?
:lol Bennett is gonna be a star
He bashed Irving then literally a year later he posted something to the effect of "I'mma a prophet and called Irving a great pick."

[Fudge]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216885





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[Meticode]

That thread was made seven months before the draft. Once I did my advanced scouting, I pegged Irving exactly.
So what you're saying is you bashed him before you even scouted him? You knee-jerked what you said before you ever looked at his game?

Even better. Keeping diggin' your hole n!gga.

[LBJMVP]

That thread was made seven months before the draft. Once I did my advanced scouting, I pegged Irving exactly.


that thread was made 2 and a half months before the draft.

[MMKM]

I like the pick because I think it's a strong indication that come July 10, Greg Oden is going to be a Cavalier. So Bennett + Oden, it's a gamble, but it could have a huge payday if it works out

[LBJMVP]

not only do we have a great pick and roll player for irving we have a great pick and pop player for irving. great fit, hopefully he stays around 240.

[ClutchOver9000]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216885

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/4551132/kevin-garnett-reaction-o.gif

[Meticode]

I like the pick because I think it's a strong indication that come July 10, Greg Oden is going to be a Cavalier. So Bennett + Oden, it's a gamble, but it could have a huge payday if it works out
I'm curious what they do now during FA. I'd take a chance on Oden as long as he shows he's fully healthy. If he's healthy seemingly give it a go, if his knees buckle it was a minimum risk. Oden's still 25 years old. Last month his workout buddy from Ohio State Deshaun Thomas said he's lifting weights and running and looks good. Grant it, it's probably biased towards him, but he said he looks like he's doing all the right things right now to get back in shape for a comeback. The biased word he used was "unbelievable" on how Oden looked last month.

[MMKM]

I'm curious what they do now during FA. I'd take a chance on Oden as long as he shows he's fully healthy. If he's healthy seemingly give it a go, if his knees buckle it was a minimum risk. Oden's still 25 years old. Last month his workout buddy from Ohio State Deshaun Thomas said he's lifting weights and running and looks good. Grant it, it's probably biased towards him, but he said he looks like he's doing all the right things right now to get back in shape for a comeback. The biased word he used was "unbelievable" on how Oden looked last month.

I agree! Len had a broken foot and he's a puss pie. Noel, knee or not, 206 lbs. take seven feet 270 and give it a go. They feel like they have him locked, Bennett isn't a bad fit. Could have gone Porter or VO but no way I'd draft a center with Oden looming

[Meticode]

I agree! Len had a broken foot and he's a puss pie. Noel, knee or not, 206 lbs. take seven feet 270 and give it a go. They feel like they have him locked, Bennett isn't a bad fit. Could have gone Porter or VO but no way I'd draft a center with Oden looming
FYI Miami met with Oden. he could end there as well giving them a legit big-man...

http://www.hothothoops.com/2013/6/27/4469274/is-the-greg-oden-experiment-worth-attempting-for-the-miami-heat

[RedBlackAttack]

Just got home and, wow... What can I say? Just when I think I have Grant figured out, he throws another curveball. Thompson and Waiters were both very good picks in retrospect, imo, so I go back and look at what both guys (and Kyrie) had in common. Great analytics.

So, obviously, if he played the analytics card to really guide him through the last two drafts, obviously the first pick would be Noel or Porter, two guys who shined in that criteria in every table I saw... And two guys who were consensus Top 3 picks by just about everyone.

Had to be one of those guys, right? Wrong.


I can't say I hate the pick. I was dead set against Len and I wanted nothing to do with McLemore. Bennett was somewhere between the guys I wanted (Noel/Porter) and the guys I absolutely didn't want (Len/McLemore).

I would have absolutely no problem with this pick if it made sense in terms of the roster. Can Bennett play the 3? Maybe in spurts, but certainly not in a fulltime capacity. He looks all the world to be a PF to me.

That means Tristan, who really was one of the most improved players in the league last year, is going to be playing more at center than PF? Or, will he be coming off the bench? Or, will our No. 1 pick be coming off the bench? Or, is Tristan being moved? :confusedshrug:

All questions I'd like answers to. One thing Grant did say in his presser tonight was that, while he can play the 3 in certain lineups, Bennett is a power forward... Which is what we all thought.

So, what gives with this roster?

Was Bennett so far and away the best prospect according to what they saw that they felt they had to take him despite needs? I'm assuming that must have been the case. If so, it is hard to argue with. You don't look back 10 years from now at a draft and say, "Man, that guy was clearly the best player in the draft, but they already had a good player in that position."

I've taken a closer look at his tape in the last two hours and there is no denying his offensive talent/skill. The guy has all the tools on that side of the floor to be a real impact player. I guess Mike Brown must feel like he can turn any player into a solid defender, because he really is atrocious both in man and on help. He showed flashes at UNLV of being able to block shots and create turnovers, but most of the time, he looked disinterested.

I'm figuring Brown is confident he can work on that, but having a great motor is hard to teach.

I don't know... Mixed feelings tonight. I feel like we missed an opportunity to draft a once in a generation defensive talent, but with Noel slipping all the way to 7th, I guess I have to defer to the experts on this one. They must know something I don't.

Can't say I'm completely disappointed in this pick. I would have been with Len/McLemore, so things could have been worse.

And, I love the Sergie Karasev pick. Rumor was the Cavs were actually trying to move up to #13 to be sure that they got him. Turned out, he fell right in our laps at 19.

I'm not going to sit here and complain about a core of...

Kyrie Irving
Dion Waiters
Sergie Karasev
Anthony Bennett
Tristan Thompson / Tyler Zeller

That could be an explosive offensive team in time. I just have my fingers crossed that Grant didn't get too cute when the obvious pick was the right one.

[MMKM]

FYI Miami met with Oden. he could end there as well giving them a legit big-man...

http://www.hothothoops.com/2013/6/27/4469274/is-the-greg-oden-experiment-worth-attempting-for-the-miami-heat

Cleveland can offer Oden a bigger contract, which according to reports, they are prepared to do. (2 years above vet minimum with 3rd year option) I think at this point Cleveland is the front runner and Miami is a close second. But I think that Cleveland not drafting a center is an indicator that they are pretty confident they have Oden in the bag. I think they might know something we don't know

[RedBlackAttack]

Cleveland can offer Oden a bigger contract, which according to reports, they are prepared to do. (2 years above vet minimum with 3rd year option) I think at this point Cleveland is the front runner and Miami is a close second. But I think that Cleveland not drafting a center is an indicator that they are pretty confident they have Oden in the bag. I think they might know something we don't know
Do you think a franchise can afford to count on Greg Oden at this point in his career? He's a low risk/high reward gamble, but not someone you plan for as a core piece of the future.

I'm all for giving him a shot, but you don't pass on certain guys at No. 1 in this draft with the assumption, "Don't worry, we'll have Oden!" I would be shocked if he factored into the decision at all. That isn't to say the draft won't turn out well for them or that signing Oden isn't a good idea... You just can't count on someone in his position.