ESPN Los Angeles : "Nobody wants to play with Kobe"

[KobesFinger]

and kobe isn't leader for 3 of his 5 rings

So Pippen has no rings? Kobe lead the team in assists and was second in scoring

[3LiftHeatCurse]

If you're serious, you never watched the games and just being a hater.

What?

Kobe on the Charlotte Hornets wins 0 rings. The first 3-peat was with Shaq and everyone that LA attracted to help them win.

Hornets don't have Shaq, nor do they have anyone else like that. So that's 3 rings dead.

And Hornets don't get Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown.

0 rings.

[TheBigVeto]

Playing with Kobe isn't fun. He's a crybaby that doesn't want to do any of the gritty work and just wants to take all of the teams shots.

You know which players have attracted the most ring chasing veterans?

LeBron and Shaq. These guys are so dominant that they make the game easier for everyone else. All you have to worry about is making the open looks they create for you. Not to mention they create a fun atmosphere for the guys. When you come to their teams your being adopted into a family like environment.

Kobe isn't getting anyone open looks. He'll take contested shots, expect you to get the rebounds, and expect you to cover his man for him on the other end. Oh and he'll bitch at everyone too all game long and expect all of the glory when the team wins. Guy has had problems with almost every high profiled character hes ever played with except for Gasol + Nash who are two of the most humble guys in the NBA, dont care about anything except the good of the team.

:applause:
This is The Honest Truth.
:applause:

[Chrono90]

Lebron? 2. Shaq? 4. Duncan? 4.

Kobe? 5. Whatever it takes to win.

[TheBigVeto]

[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]This was blatantly obvious to anyone that's not an idiot fanboy. Kobe's game and personality just doesn't translate into people wanting to play with him. How many times have we heard this from people he's played with? Shaq, Malone, Bynum, Dwight, Phil (who skewered him but came back for the money. You KNOW deep down Phil doesn't like Kobe). There have been other lesser players, both on his team and off that have talked about what an ass he is. Andrew Bogut:

[B]"There's no one I really hate, but Kobe [Bryant] had a demeanor of being very cocky," he said. "What happened with Shaq. . . . If I had a chance to play with Shaq or Tim, if they told me to buy them groceries, I don't care, I buy them groceries. It's a gift to play with somebody like that. Kobe is probably one of the guys that, everybody knows it, he's got that cocky arrogance to him, everything has to surround around him the whole time. Otherwise, he doesn't function. That's the biggest example.

[TheBigVeto]

[QUOTE=theoneneo]Carlos Boozer

[TheBigVeto]

Kobe isn't the reason they got 5 rings. David Stern is the reason.

Kobe has 0 rings if he went to the team that drafted him, the Charlotte Hornets

FTFY, but your second statement is right on.

[Dro]

Cause the mamba means business, he gonna make you work your ass out or you're gonna look like a fool, if you're a superstar he wont do press confs with you either :bowdown:
:biggums:

[LA Lakers]

You know Larry Bird? One of the greatest to ever play the game? Ask him who he wishes he could have played with? Listen to the old timers and hall of famers and greatest to have ever played the game. Bet most say Kobe. Game recognizes game.

[Deuce Bigalow]

What?

Kobe on the Charlotte Hornets wins 0 rings. The first 3-peat was with Shaq and everyone that LA attracted to help them win.

Hornets don't have Shaq, nor do they have anyone else like that. So that's 3 rings dead.

And Hornets don't get Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown.

0 rings.
Kobe 5
Miami 3

******

[PickernRoller]

18 and counting. Lebron c0ck suckers and league castaways sure love Kobe. Kobe Kobe Kobe 24/7 Kobe. Hate = Love am I rite?

[KingLeBronJames]

This. :applause:
Who cares about his cockiness. Jordan, Magic, Bird were all cocky.

[Chrono90]

and kobe isn't leader for 3 of his 5 rings

Oh yea he was. Just cause he didn't get the FMVP doesn't mean he wasn't a leader. He wasn't a role player for sure.

[Bandito]

What?

Kobe on the Charlotte Hornets wins 0 rings. The first 3-peat was with Shaq and everyone that LA attracted to help them win.

Hornets don't have Shaq, nor do they have anyone else like that. So that's 3 rings dead.

And Hornets don't get Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown.

0 rings.
Hornets had:

Chandler
Paul
Baron
West
Stojakovic when he was still able to play in the playoffs

and now

Gordon
Unibrow


They had good teams, they were just a star away from winning.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Hornets had:

Chandler
Paul
Baron
West
Stojakovic when he was still able to play in the playoffs

and now

Gordon
Unibrow


They had good teams, they were just a star away from winning.

Hornets never get into a position to draft Chris Paul via lottery if they have Kobe as a perennial treadmill team of 7th, 8th seed, or 9th place.

He'd have 0 rings. The Hornets don't have the power, nor the clout, to grab Pau for Kwame Brown, and no Shaq. The Hornets simply don't have the smarts like the Lakers front office. No shot at stacking a team for Kobe.

0 rings.

Kobe would have been forced to do things the LeBron way. Take your future into your own hands and leave the Hornets, or end up like KG in Minny.

If there was ever a player that was a product of an organization, it's Kobe.

[SilkkTheShocker]

18 and counting. Lebron c0ck suckers and league castaways sure love Kobe. Kobe Kobe Kobe 6/24 Kobe. Hate = Love am I rite?


Fixed.

[ripthekik]

:facepalm

how bored are you guys?
it's the summer, go out and have fun, kids.

[Bandito]

Hornets never get into a position to draft Chris Paul via lottery if they have Kobe as a perennial treadmill team of 7th, 8th seed, or 9th place.

He'd have 0 rings. The Hornets don't have the power, nor the clout, to grab Pau for Kwame Brown, and no Shaq. The Hornets simply don't have the smarts like the Lakers front office. No shot at stacking a team for Kobe.

0 rings.

Kobe would have been forced to do things the LeBron way. Take your future into your own hands and leave the Hornets, or end up like KG in Minny.

If there was ever a player that was a product of an organization, it's Kobe.
We are playing with What If situations. Who knows who they would've sign that could've ended in a dynasty. Maybe Kobe would've played like 2006-2008 version of Kobe sooner and they get centers like Vlade and Campbell, and they still get Paul or Baron somehow. Maybe if they don't get them they get some other players like Iggy, Stojakovic, Parker, Gino, Camby or they get a deeper team that you can think of. That is why I don't like to play with What If scenarios. Just because he doesn't play with Shaq doesn't mean he don't win. It would be a different journey to get there for sure.

[ispin69]

Bump for Dwight-cision confirming this.

:kobe: Who wants 5 shots a game and get all the blame for the losses?

[Jacks3]

:facepalm

[fpliii]

I think Kobe's pitch probably sealed the deal, but this is all on the FO/D'Antoni. Plus, Dwight is a bitch.

[PJR]

The most significant free agent to ever sign with the Lakers during the "Kobe era": Ron Artest.

The Most significant free agent(s) to ever sign with the Heat during the D.Wade era: LeBron James and Chris Bosh.


:yaohappy:

[rezznor]

http://i.imgur.com/H0SNo.gif

[3LiftHeatCurse]

http://oi44.tinypic.com/2qjvkuc.jpg

[DuMa]

hey look at that. it came true

[Heavincent]

The most significant free agent to ever sign with the Lakers during the "Kobe era": Ron Artest.

The Most significant free agent(s) to ever sign with the Heat during the D.Wade era: LeBron James and Chris Bosh.


:yaohappy:

Kobe: 5 rings

[PJR]

Kobe: 5 rings

Robert Horry: 7 rings

[chazzy]

The most significant free agent to ever sign with the Lakers during the "Kobe era": Ron Artest.

The Most significant free agent(s) to ever sign with the Heat during the D.Wade era: LeBron James and Chris Bosh.


:yaohappy:
How many years did the Lakers even have cap space to sign anyone?

[Heavincent]

Robert Horry: 7 rings

Kobe: top 10 player all time
Wade: top 25-30 player all time

There was no "D-Wade era" :oldlol:

[TonyMontana]

Robert Horry: 7 rings

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_I-kRGoN87OQ/SEM-g4YyEOI/AAAAAAAAAaE/INg6emaKTyc/s400/Robert%2BHorry%5B1%5D.jpg


Robert Horry the new GOAT :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
7 > 5
Horry > Kobe

[PJR]

How many years did the Lakers even have cap space to sign anyone?

I'm just trollin bra, don't mind me. :lol

[Calabis]

Bump for Dwight-cision confirming this.

:kobe: Who wants 5 shots a game and get all the blame for the losses?

Lol....I remember when there was a stretch of this exact thing.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk197/calabis/picsay-1358909065_zps309ec747.jpg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/calabis/media/picsay-1358909065_zps309ec747.jpg.html)

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Dwight was quick to change his twitter pic to a houston one


Kobe's resume : Ran off 2 hall of fame centers. Should have been 3 for 3, but Pau is a giant ****** and took the abuse.

[305Baller]

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000093889547/7320bfb38e015927fb6ca8716e26bc89_bigger.jpeg
https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000093889547/7320bfb38e015927fb6ca8716e26bc89_bigger.jpeg
https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000093889547/7320bfb38e015927fb6ca8716e26bc89_bigger.jpeg

it ends.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Kobe's resume : Ran off 2 hall of fame centers. Should have been 3 for 3, but Pau is a giant ****** and took the abuse.


This.

And without a great center doin the dirty work Cornbe has achieved NOTHING.

[Magic 32]

Kobe's resume : Ran off 2 hall of fame centers. Should have been 3 for 3, but Pau is a giant ****** and took the abuse.

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/7b/7b0a7dcf1d5b53b0eeb08a15b7e707de/reliving_nba_championship_celebrations_through_the _years.jpg

[3LiftHeatCurse]

This.

And without a great center doin the dirty work Cornbe has achieved NOTHING.

Fact.

The only players in the last 20 years to win a championship without a great Center is LeBron James and Michael Jordan.

[oh the horror]

This.

And without a great center doin the dirty work Cornbe has achieved NOTHING.


What "great center" did he have during the b2b?

[3LiftHeatCurse]

What "great center" did he have during the b2b?

Pau Gasol.

[KobesFinger]

The difference here being that Kobe > Pau

[Chrono90]

Kobe failed to adapt to the times, that whole I am the boss alpha male bullshit don't work well with team chemistry and success in the playoffs.

He had 6 apg last season. He was passing the ball. Watch the games. His PPG dropped from leading scorer to 3rd when Nash was out.

He shoulda learned from Lebron/Wade, gotta let go of your ego and team up with people, be friendly.

Everyone has a different way of doing it. Kobe has the Jordan attitude towards his teammates. Old school. Last of a dying breed. No buddy-buddy BS. 5 rings so far :confusedshrug:

Kobe run Shaq out of town after the guy gifted him 3 Rings,

If Kobe never played, Shaq wouldn't win those by himself. It's not gifted.

his personality was tolerated by ***** Beta Pau Gasoft and resulted in 2 rings, but now with Superteams you need to recruit and try to get along with other big ego stars.

That's right. The new cats nowadays just want to do it the easy way. Kobe should have joined prime Tmac and prime KG like Lebron did to prime Bosh and Wade?? You crazy. Hold your own and do it in your own town.


Kobe failed to do that with Howard, got a career ending injury trying to do it all himself to prove some moot point to his doubters and will now simply be remembered as an egomaniac with trust issues. :(

You're hating your ass off. He was playing his ass off to get his team in the playoffs. He was doing whatever it took to get there. Dwight left mainly cause of the coach man. Go read his interview. Do some research and watch some games. If the injury is career-ending is still to be seen.



Haters gonna hate.

[Chrono90]

Fact.

The only players in the last 20 years to win a championship without a great Center is LeBron James and Michael Jordan.

Fact: Lebron teamed up with two other franchise players in their prime to win the chips. Just saying it's not like Lebron had no body.

[Magic 32]

Fact.

The only players in the last 20 years to win a championship without a great Center is LeBron James and Michael Jordan.

Pau Gasol: 0-16 in the PO without Kobe.

Chris Bosh: 3-8 in the PO without Lebron.

Hmmmm.

[AintNoSunshine]

Fact: Lebron teamed up with two other franchise players in their prime to win the chips. Just saying it's not like Lebron had no body.

So this "franchise player in his prime" is sooo good he scored 0 point in the biggest game of his life huh? :oldlol:

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Kobe has been caught on camera before telling people to "ship his teammates ass out" and now he is acting loyal? He went on a national tirade demanding to be traded and now he's mad at someone who leaves a lot of money on the table in order to give himself what he feels as the best shot to win? Kobe, who has never sacrificed money and whom is now making 30M a year, is upset at a free agent leaving?

[Derka]

I'd just like to say that this entire page, with all of these "Fact" posts...

Some of the most insane, fanboyish stuff you guys have come up with in a long time.

Keep it up, very amusing!

[mentallooser]

Fact.

The only players in the last 20 years to win a championship without a great Center is LeBron James and Michael Jordan.
Ben wallace was such a great center.....

[Magic 32]

So this "franchise player in his prime" is sooo good he scored 0 point in the biggest game of his life huh? :oldlol:

Lebron scored 8 points in a finals game. And he wasn't relegated to the third or fouth option on offence (or a glorified garbage man).

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2n86ffc.jpg

I think Kobe would have loved this for his third option.

[Chrono90]

So this "franchise player in his prime" is sooo good he scored 0 point in the biggest game of his life huh? :oldlol:

That's cause he choked. Everyone chokes. Lebron choked in the whole series against the Mavs. Doesn't make the statement false.

[Sarcastic]

Fact.

The only players in the last 20 years to win a championship without a great Center is LeBron James and Michael Jordan.


Tyson Chandler is a great center? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


What about Kendrick Perkins? Another all time great?


:coleman:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe has been caught on camera before telling people to "ship his teammates ass out" and now he is acting loyal? He went on a national tirade demanding to be traded and now he's mad at someone who leaves a lot of money on the table in order to give himself what he feels as the best shot to win? Kobe, who has never sacrificed money and whom is now making 30M a year, is upset at a free agent leaving?

You're a Heat fan right? So like.. why are you always talking about Kobe? :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

http://i.imgur.com/Ce6nfjc.gif

[Hoopz2332]

:oldlol:

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Tyson Chandler is a great center? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


What about Kendrick Perkins? Another all time great?


:coleman:

Kendrick was a top 5 C in the NBA at one point and Tyson was also top 5 C in the NBA when they won a ring

[TheBigVeto]

That's why he came back to coach him to 2 more titles and still might come back again??

PJax was whipped. His girlfriend forced him to do stupid stuff including coaching Kobe again.

[RRR3]

Kendrick was a top 5 C in the NBA at one point and Tyson was also top 5 C in the NBA when they won a ring
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/693640448/hF4B64CB3/

[RRR3]

That's cause he choked. Everyone chokes. Lebron choked in the whole series against the Mavs. Doesn't make the statement false.
He didn't choke, he just isn't nearly as good as people think he is. Bosh played like shit the entire playoffs, btw.

[ballup]

When you say Kendrick Perkins was at one point a top 5 center in the league. You are trying to hard to troll.

[Ken_Masters]

The answer to this debate is simple. Would you yourself want to play with Kobe in a pickup game? The answer for most should be no. The reason is because he will take all of the shots while you are standing waiting for a pass that never comes. He will bark at you for not hustling on defense even though you haven't touched the ball in ages. If you wanted to have fun in a pickup game, Bryant is the last person you'd wanna be teammates with.

[Lebron23]

The answer to this debate is simple. Would you yourself want to play with Kobe in a pickup game? The answer for most should be no. The reason is because he will take all of the shots while you are standing waiting for a pass that never comes. He will bark at you for not hustling on defense even though you haven't touched the ball in ages. If you wanted to have fun in a pickup game, Bryant is the last person you'd wanna be teammates with.


I really hate these type of players. You would never enjoy playing the game if you have a super ball hog teammate. Just don't pass them the ball, and ignore them every time they ask for the ball.

[MastaKilla]

The answer to this debate is simple. Would you yourself want to play with Kobe in a pickup game? The answer for most should be no. The reason is because he will take all of the shots while you are standing waiting for a pass that never comes. He will bark at you for not hustling on defense even though you haven't touched the ball in ages. If you wanted to have fun in a pickup game, Bryant is the last person you'd wanna be teammates with.

Hey simpleton, there's a big difference between a pick up game & professionals being paid millions to do their job

[andgar923]

Hey simpleton, there's a big difference between a pick up game & professionals being paid millions to do their job

True

But at some point human nature kicks in and even while you're trying to be a pro and do your job, you have momentary lapses of "f*ck you!".

[Ken_Masters]

Hey simpleton, there's a big difference between a pick up game & professionals being paid millions to do their job

Basketball is basketball. Even though NBA players are professionals being paid millions, i'm sure most of them would prefer playing with guys who makes the game fun. It doesn't appear as though Bryant makes the game fun for his teammates at all. Would you rather play with Magic Johnson or Kobe Bryant?

[Hoopz2332]

I thought it was a particularly hilarious display of huge ego when Kobe, who was teamed up with one of the GOAT playmakers and passers, decided that he's the real PG on the team :roll:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/4b14baf42033bb3c8cc3f6a445d16223/tumblr_mh91kgDVpr1rs5ngxo1_500.png


:lol

[ralph_i_el]

Kendrick was a top 5 C in the NBA at one point and Tyson was also top 5 C in the NBA when they won a ring
>Top 5 C
>Never averaged 30mpg

choose one

[kennethgriffin]

wouldnt this make his career even more impressive? if anything its a compliment.



:biggums:

[TheMarkMadsen]

So Kobe won 5 rings without collusion or running to other teams that already had a FMVP leading them?

Damn impressive :applause: :applause:

Imagine if he took the Lebron route, would have around 8-10 rings right now.

[stalkerforlife]

So Kobe won 5 rings without collusion or running to other teams that already had a FMVP leading them?

Damn impressive :applause: :applause:

Imagine if he took the Lebron route, would have around 8-10 rings right now.

:applause:

[Hoopz2332]

So Kobe won 5 rings without collusion or running to other teams that already had a FMVP leading them?

Damn impressive :applause: :applause:

Imagine if he took the Lebron route, would have around 8-10 rings right now.


http://i.imgur.com/nWLlK5X.jpg

[tmacattack33]

wouldnt this make his career even more impressive? if anything its a compliment.



:biggums:


Yep, being a bad teammate is definitely a compliment.

[Magic 32]

Yep, being a demanding teammate is definitely a compliment.

Yep

Too bad these 80's and 90's babies don't have a spine.

[kennethgriffin]

Yep, being a bad teammate is definitely a compliment.

a bad team mate that lead all 5 championships in assists. A bad team mate that elevates the level of play among others. A bad team mate thats on better terms with his ex team mates than lebron. A bad team mate yet he carved out a top 6-10 all time career bare minimum. A bad team mate thats said to be the only guy that compares to jordan according the mj himself

Ok.. bad team mate lmao

[riseagainst]

it's true, Kobe is a bad teammate. He is selfish. But he was still able to produce 2 championships without Shaq. Still a legendary player.

[Cladyclad]

it's true, Kobe is a bad teammate. He is selfish. But he was still able to produce 2 championships without Shaq. Still a legendary player.


How is it true?

Who are these players not wanting to play with Kobe?
Kevin Love was down for LA before Bron went to Cle.
A prime TMac said he would be open to playing with Kobe.
Another thing that pisses me off when people act like its a big deal no free agent came to LA. The way the media talks it seem like the Lakers always got every free agent ever. Since I've been living Shaq is the only big time free agent that came to the lakers.

[riseagainst]

How is it true?

Who are these players not wanting to play with Kobe?
Kevin Love was down for LA before Bron went to Cle.
A prime TMac said he would be open to playing with Kobe.
Another thing that pisses me off when people act like its a big deal no free agent came to LA. The way the media talks it seem like the Lakers always got every free agent ever. Since I've been living Shaq is the only big time free agent that came to the lakers.

they all say it out of respect for Kobe, but they never realistically want to. Especially after the whole 2012/2013 fiasco. They might have really wanted to join him in 08-10 when he was winning stuff.

[Hey Yo]

So Kobe won 5 rings without collusion or running to other teams that already had a FMVP leading them?

Damn impressive :applause: :applause:

Imagine if he took the Lebron route, would have around 8-10 rings right now.
Kobe ran to a team that was 30 games above .500 the year before. Knew they were getting multiple all NBA selection , 1x NBA scoring leader, rookie of the year and multiple all-star selection Shaq.

Imagine if LeBron took the Kobe route and would only sign with a contender like San Antonio? 8 rings right now.

[JT123]

Kobe ran to a team that was 30 games above .500 the year before. Knew they were getting multiple all NBA selection , 1x NBA scoring leader, rookie of the year and multiple all-star selection Shaq.

Imagine if LeBron took the Kobe route and would only sign with a contender like San Antonio? 8 rings right now.
This. But forcing trades just isn't in Lebron's DNA. He prefers to actually EARN his rings. :rockon:

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

it's true, Kobe is a bad teammate. He is selfish. But he was still able to produce 2 championships without Shaq. Still a legendary player.
I haven't heard any player say that Kobe is a bad teammate except for Smush Parker.

[DetroitPistonFan]

This. But forcing trades just isn't in Lebron's DNA. He prefers to actually EARN his rings. :rockon:
He can't do it Cleveland so he goes to a stacked team in Miami. He couldn't win a 3peat in Miami with old geezers so he goes to a young stack team back in Cleveland.

[riseagainst]

I haven't heard any player say that Kobe is a bad teammate except for Smush Parker.

they wouldnt say it out of respect because he's a legend. But it's pretty much true. He's selfish.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe ran to a team that was 30 games above .500 the year before. Knew they were getting multiple all NBA selection , 1x NBA scoring leader, rookie of the year and multiple all-star selection Shaq.

Imagine if LeBron took the Kobe route and would only sign with a contender like San Antonio? 8 rings right now.

This post has so much fail.

First off Kobe didnt "run to LA" this myth has been dis proven time and time again. Including just yesterday on ISH.

second, Kobe was drafted before Shaq signed dumbass :cheers:

An by trading Kobe for Divac they opened up enough space to sign Shaq..

Kobe was drafted, 12 teams passes on him..

Lebron ran to another team that not only had a scoring champ, a multiple time all star & all nba player who was a former FMVP, and had proven he didn't need Lebron to win but also had another multiple time all star too :roll:


Imagine if Kobe in his prime joined T Mac & Chris Webber, and then after leaving that team went and joined Jason Kidd & brought Dirk with him. THEY WOULD NEVER LOSE.

And even though Lebron does exactly that, he still "doesn't have enough help"

Kobe would honestly have 8-10 rings if he spent his entire prime hoping from super team to super team like a scared bitch.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe would honestly have 8-10 rings if he spent his entire prime hoping from super team to super team like a scared bitch.

But dude was already on the most loaded teams from 1997-2004 and 2008-2011?

So basically without that 3-year window from '05-'07?

[riseagainst]

But dude was already on the most loaded teams from 1997-2004 and 2008-2011?

So basically without that 3-year window from '05-'07?

if he was on the Mavs or Spurs those years, 3 peat.

[Magic 32]

But dude was already on the most loaded teams from 1997-2004 and 2008-2011?

So basically without that 3-year window from '05-'07?

His peak years?

Pretty much.

And who cares if he was on a talented team when he was 19 years old.

[ArbitraryWater]

His peak years?

Pretty much.

And who cares if he had a talented team when he was 19 years old.

2005 wasn't his peak.. Kobe in 2005 was garb

LOL @ "Mavs or Spurs" Kobe probably wouldn't have even been the best Player :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

But dude was already on the most loaded teams from 1997-2004 and 2008-2011?

So basically without that 3-year window from '05-'07?

1997-2004? :roll:

Must be why when the Lakers got rid of two all stars in Jones & Van Exel and replaced them by inserting Kobe into the starting line up that the lakers took off an began winning titles.

08-11 = loaded? :roll:

Again you'll have to remind me how a "loaded" team in 2008 only has 1 all star.

Pau/Odom & a Bynum that plays 50 regular season games and then is limited in the playoffs is loaded? Combined with the fact that the major bench player are Luke Walton, Jordan Farmar, and one of these so called "loaded" teams had Vlad Ramonovic starting..

If Lebron was playing with Al Jefferson as his 2nd best player with no other all stars would you consider them loaded?

And you missed the part where I said "like Lebron" aka playing with 2 all stars everywhere he goes.

Every ring Kobe has won he did so with only 1 all star beside him.. I'm sure he he spent 05-10 playing with Dirk & another all star he would have more rings than he currently has.

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

they wouldnt say it out of respect because he's a legend. But it's pretty much true. He's selfish.
His teammates did say something publicly about Kobe after they left the Lakers. But it wasn't negative. They said Kobe was a great teammate. Guys like Pau, Metta World Peace, Horace Grant, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Brian Shaw, Luke Walton, Jodie Meeks and Jordan Hill all said that. Even his olympic teammates have nothing but good things to say about Kobe.

[JT123]

1997-2004? :roll:

Must be why when the Lakers got rid of two all stars in Jones & Van Exel and replaced them by inserting Kobe into the starting line up that the lakers took off an began winning titles.

08-11 = loaded? :roll:

Again you'll have to remind me how a "loaded" team in 2008 only has 1 all star.

Pau/Odom & a Bynum that plays 50 regular season games and then is limited in the playoffs is loaded? Combined with the fact that the major bench player are Luke Walton, Jordan Farmar, and one of these so called "loaded" teams had Vlad Ramonovic starting..

If Lebron was playing with Al Jefferson as his 2nd best player with no other all stars would you consider them loaded?

And you missed the part where I said "like Lebron" aka playing with 2 all stars everywhere he goes.

Every ring Kobe has won he did so with only 1 all star beside him.. I'm sure he he spent 05-10 playing with Dirk & another all star he would have more rings than he currently has.
Again with the lame "All Star" argument. :sleeping
All Star selections are nothing more than popularity contests, and have nothing to do with a players actual skill level. NEXT!

[JT123]

He can't do it Cleveland so he goes to a stacked team in Miami. He couldn't win a 3peat in Miami with old geezers so he goes to a young stack team back in Cleveland.
You just contradicted yourself dummy. :lol Are the Heat stacked or are they old geezers? Make up your mind. :sleeping And LOL at calling a 33 win Cavs team stacked!

[Hey Yo]

This post has so much fail.

First off Kobe didnt "run to LA" this myth has been dis proven time and time again. Including just yesterday on ISH.

second, Kobe was drafted before Shaq signed dumbass :cheers:

An by trading Kobe for Divac they opened up enough space to sign Shaq..

Kobe was drafted, 12 teams passes on him..

Lebron ran to another team that not only had a scoring champ, a multiple time all star & all nba player who was a former FMVP, and had proven he didn't need Lebron to win but also had another multiple time all star too :roll:


Imagine if Kobe in his prime joined T Mac & Chris Webber, and then after leaving that team went and joined Jason Kidd & brought Dirk with him. THEY WOULD NEVER LOSE.

And even though Lebron does exactly that, he still "doesn't have enough help"

Kobe would honestly have 8-10 rings if he spent his entire prime hoping from super team to super team like a scared bitch.
Couldn’t Bryant be a Hornet? Could he grow to love Southern sweet tea?

“That is an impossibility,” Bryant’s agent, Arn Tellem, said at the time. “There are no ifs. It would not happen. He is going to be a Laker, and that’s the only team he’s playing for.”

Lakers knew they would get Shaq after trading Divac. That plan was in place before the draft, once they talked to Charlotte.

12 teams passed on him because the Tellem memo had been sent out..."Kobe will play for LA only."

James already played with scrubs for 7yrs. Played out his contract and signed with talent. If Wade and Bosh continued to put up their numbers after James went to Miami, you'd have a point. Yet his B2B Finals wins leading the Heat's entire postseason in points, rebounds, assists and steals.

James would have 8 rings if wasn't too scared to try to build a winner for a garbage franchise like Kobe was.

Kobe, a few years with mediocre teammates:

"Bryant has always got what he wanted in Los Angeles. Now the address has lost its luster with losing. He wants out of the place he once demanded for his arrival.

For weeks, Bryant has been crying for a trade when he is actually screaming for relevance.

The Lakers were eliminated in the first round for the second straight year and haven't won a playoff series since 2004, when Shaquille O'Neal left Los Angeles. Bryant let it be known after the game that changes must come.

"Do it and do it now," he said. "Personally for me, it's beyond frustration -- three years and still being at ground zero. This summer's a big summer. We have to see what direction we want to take as an organization and make those steps and make them now."

:cry: :cry:

[DetroitPistonFan]

You just contradicted yourself dummy. :lol Are the Heat stacked or are they old geezers? Make up your mind. :sleeping And LOL at calling a 33 win Cavs team stacked!
A stacked Heat team who ran out of gas in the 2014 NBA Finals. LeBron felt like the Heat are done. That's why he went back to Cleveland and didn't return Pat Riley's text messages, email's etc. about returning to Miami.

[TheMarkMadsen]

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[Hey Yo]

Because he cried to the media for a trade once he saw how tough it was trying to do it on his own, after Shaq left, after Phil left. His first time playing with mediocre teammates.

Kobe got his wish. He was the main option. After seeing that his 35ppg on 27FGA wasn't going to be good enough to get his team to the Finals, he cried for a trade.

Just shows that he can't handle the pressure playing a few years w/o having star power around him.

LeBron would have 8 rings if he said he would play for the Spurs only, his rookie year.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Because he cried to the media for a trade once he saw how tough it was trying to do it on his own, after Shaq left, after Phil left. His first time playing with mediocre teammates.

Kobe got his wish. He was the main option. After seeing that his 35ppg on 27FGA wasn't going to be good enough to get his team to the Finals, he cried for a trade.

Just shows that he can't handle the pressure playing a few years w/o having star power around him.

LeBron would have 8 rings if he said he would play for the Spurs only, his rookie year.

Those 06 & 07 teams win 10 games without Kobe..

Kobe has won multiple rings with multiple different line ups.

Kobe has won all of his rings with only 1 all star.

Bran gets 2 all stas around him for 4 straight years and was barely able to replicate what an old broken down Kobe did with Pau freaking Gasol.

[JT123]

Those 06 & 07 teams win 10 games without Kobe..

Kobe has won multiple rings with multiple different line ups.

Kobe has won all of his rings with only 1 all star.

Bran gets 2 all stas around him for 4 straight years and was barely able to replicate what an old broken down Kobe did with Pau freaking Gasol.
Pau freaking Gasol is the only reason your boy has any Finals MVP's you ungrateful piece of shit! :mad:
So glad Pau went to a city that will actually appreciate him.

[Mr Feeny]

His peak years?

Pretty much.

And who cares if he was on a talented team when he was 19 years old.

He was a 3rd ALL NBA team in 2005, and he's a big part of the reason that his team was garbage those years. His chucking during the previous year's finals on a stacked team with Shaq, Malone, Payton, Fox and Fisher didn't do him any favors. Alienating the entire team and/or running them out of LA is the reasom he was left with the team he had.

Of course, he couldn't get out of the first round during any of those years (2005-2007) .

[Hey Yo]

Those 06 & 07 teams win 10 games without Kobe..

Kobe has won multiple rings with multiple different line ups.

Kobe has won all of his rings with only 1 all star.

Bran gets 2 all stas around him for 4 straight years and was barely able to replicate what an old broken down Kobe did with Pau freaking Gasol.
That's what happens when you've had to carry your team for your first 11yrs in the league. You get tired playing both ends of the floor and THEN playing in 4 straight Finals

Kobe wouldn't know anything about that. He rode the pine his first 2yrs and cried for help after having to do it on his own for a few years.

Gasol > Big Z, Joel Anthony, Chris Andersen and Udonis Haslem.

If James demands to play for Spurs only his rookie year....8 titles. Instead he did what other greats did before him, sign with bad teams they were drafted by. Not demand to play for a team who was 30 games over .500 the year before and had won the 2nd most titles in NBA history.

[DetroitPistonFan]

That's what happens when you've had to carry your team for your first 11yrs in the league. You get tired playing both ends of the floor and THEN playing in 4 straight Finals

Kobe wouldn't know anything about that. He rode the pine his first 2yrs and cried for help after having to do it on his own for a few years.

Gasol > Big Z, Joel Anthony, Chris Andersen and Udonis Haslem.

If James demands to play for Spurs only his rookie year....8 titles. Instead he did what other greats did before him, sign with bad teams they were drafted by. Not demand to play for a team who was 30 games over .500 and had won the 2nd most titles in NBA history.
I wouldn't say assembling a team of D-Wade and Chris Bosh is a bad team. He couldn't do it in Cleveland so he went to Miami.

[Mr Feeny]

I wouldn't say assembling a team of D-Wade and Chris Bosh is a bad team. He couldn't do it in Cleveland so he went to Miami.

Mmmm it was a bad team though compared to the Laker teams Kobe had. :cheers: