Kobe haters are mad because he's only SUPERSTAR royal to his Team.

[imnew09]

Lebron btched out on Cleveland,
Melo left Nuggets,
PP, KG, Ray, all ran away from Boston
CP3 left the Hornets
Dwight left the Magic
Bosh left the Raptors


Aside from Timmy, maybe Wade too, Kobe is the only Superstar that stayed loyal to the Lakers. Haters be like, Kobe this and that, blah blah blah, but deep down, we all know Kobe is the best :bowdown:

"He tried to go to the Bulls."

Guess what? He's still wearing the Lakers uniform.

[tmacattack33]

1. He actually was drafted by New Orleans and there is a good chance he forced his way out of there (as well as forcing others not to draft him)

2. He demanded trades after just two years of being on a regular team (as opposed to playing with the perhaps the best peak player of all time in Shaq) in 2006.

The above two things make everything you say laughable.

[KobesFinger]

KG wanted to stay in Minnesota
The Celtics traded Pierce, he didn't request it

[SavageMode]

Hahahaha Laker fans don't even know he was drafted by New Orleans.
Only, Wade and Timmy are still homegrown.

And all of that is nonsensical bs regardless.
Who cares?

Teams want to expend their prime years contending, nothing wrong with being a free agent.

[sc19]

The same guy who demanded for trade and raped an ugly chick. :facepalm

[branslowski]

1. He actually was drafted by New Orleans and there is a good chance he forced his way out of there (as well as forcing others not to draft him)

2. He demanded trades after just two years of being on a regular team (as opposed to playing with the perhaps the best peak player of all time in Shaq) in 2006.

The above two things make everything you say laughable.

Kobe played his rookie year with the Lakers, all the way up til this point. No retirements, no 1 hour decision specials.

So please sit....good boy.

[SavageMode]

The same guy who demanded for trade and raped an ugly chick. :facepalm
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[TylerOO]

LOL its all in your head kid. No one is mad

[DMAVS41]

Kobe played his rookie year with the Lakers, all the way up til this point. No retirements, no 1 hour decision specials.

So please sit....good boy.

He's played with the most help of this era...and he's still been a malcontent, run people out of town, and demanded trades publicly.

ROFL...

[buddha]

scooby doo is that you?

[imnew09]

Hahahaha Laker fans don't even know he was drafted by New Orleans.
Only, Wade and Timmy are still homegrown.

And all of that is nonsensical bs regardless.
Who cares?

Teams want to expend their prime years contending, nothing wrong with being a free agent.

NO shyt he was drafted by the Hornets, just like Noel but he got traded. He played his rookie game with the Lakers. :facepalm

"He demanded trades after just two years of being on a regular team (as opposed to playing with the perhaps the best peak player of all time in Shaq) in 2006. "

Sorry to disappoint you, Kobe is unlike Lebron, who joins other SUPERSTARS to win.

[branslowski]

He's played with the most help of this era...and he's still been a malcontent, run people out of town, and demanded trades publicly.

ROFL...

This post of BS opinions still isn't countering the point of the thread. He's been a Laker since playing his first ever NBA game. Fact.

Runnin people out of town?? You trolling today? Or are you still pretending to be a Dirk fan? Still trying hard to be a unbiased LeBron Stan and Kobe hater?....

[PJR]

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/462473/

[dh144498]

He's played with the most help of this era...and he's still been a malcontent, run people out of town, and demanded trades publicly.

ROFL...

so you are telling me a dynasty in an era usually doesn't have the best roster in the league?

and how is this relevant to the thread?

nice red herring

ROFL...

[Heavincent]

He's played with the most help of this era...and he's still been a malcontent, run people out of town, and demanded trades publicly.

ROFL...

Subjective opinions like this don't change the facts.

[imnew09]

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/462473/

Because Kobe demanded trade, he brought the Lakers 2 MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS. It was all in his plan. :applause: :applause:

[DaSeba5]

I like Kobe, but if I didn't like him, it would be because of his fans.

[tmacattack33]

Subjective opinions like this don't change the facts.

Yup, and it is a fact that Kobe demanded a trade in 2007.

[Heavincent]

Yup, and it is a fact that Kobe demanded a trade in 2007.

But didn't get traded. I don't care about stuff that almost happened.

[KobesFinger]

He's played with the most help of this era...and he's still been a malcontent, run people out of town, and demanded trades publicly.

ROFL...

Shaq? He played with Penny, Kobe, Wade, Nash, Amar'e, LeBron and Rondo in their primes. Malone, Payton (twice), Mourning and the C's big 3 if you want to count them too.

[imnew09]

Yup, and it is a fact that Kobe demanded a trade in 2007.

A fact that due to Kobe's demands, he helped the Lakers hang 2 more championship banners :bowdown:

[tmacattack33]

But didn't get traded. I don't care about stuff that almost happened.

In a discussion where someone is trying to praise somebody for being loyal and having the determination to stick it out during rough times, it certainly matters.

He did not have the determination to stick it out. He wanted out and he tried to leave.

[dh144498]

Yup, and it is a fact that Kobe demanded a trade in 2007.

who cares? He didn't leave, Lakers got another piece of the puzzle and LAkers went to 3 straight finals. No one without an agenda even cares about the trade demand in 07. Only Kobe detractors and lebron stans (you qualify for both) bring up insignificant things to discredit someone.

[memetherapy]

What dafuq? Kblaze was on to something. Bosh, superstar? Cmon brah

[Heavincent]

Shaq? He played with Penny, Kobe, Wade, Nash, Amar'e, LeBron and Rondo in their primes. Malone, Payton (twice), Mourning and the C's big 3 if you want to count them too.

Yup people get all butthurt about the help Kobe has gotten, but ignore the fact that you could make an all decade team just with players Shaq has played with :oldlol:

PG: Nash
SG: Wade
SF: Kobe
PF: Lebron
C: KG

Bench: Rondo, Pierce, and Ray Allen

[imnew09]

What dafuq? Kblaze was on to something. Bosh, superstar? Cmon brah


Brah, Bosh averaged 22ppg, 10rebounds, when he was with the Raptors. He was also part of the Olympic team in 2008.

[Heavincent]

He did not have the determination to stick it out.

Sure he did. Remember the first half of the 07-08 season when he had that crap team near the top of the standings?

[Solefade]

The same guy who demanded for trade and raped an ugly chick. :facepalm

:lol


After he ran Shaq out of town

[Solefade]

I like Kobe, but if I didn't like him, it would be because of his fans.


This. Reading this thread makes you Kobetards look so ****ing dumb.

[Kblaze8855]

When a kid asks for a cookie he agreed he couldnt have until after dinner....and is told no....do you then praise the kid for his self control?

Is being told "No" the same as never asking?

[SilkkTheShocker]

It's Friday, what could anyone possibly be mad about? I don't care for Kobe at all, but he has never at any point in his career made me angry. Some of you guys take this shit wayyyyy to seriously.

[chosen_one6]

This loyalty bullsh*t doesn't mean anything in reality. Kobe fans are trying to find anything to keep their head above water but they realize the end is near.

[Legends66NBA7]

The casual fan will remember him not leaving, just as other superstars in the past who stayed on their teams and wanted out as well... and quite honestly ? It's not that serious of a topic. I don't think anybody is mad.

[Young X]

Royal???

[tpols]

1. He actually was drafted by New Orleans and there is a good chance he forced his way out of there (as well as forcing others not to draft him)

2. He demanded trades after just two years of being on a regular team (as opposed to playing with the perhaps the best peak player of all time in Shaq) in 2006.

The above two things make everything you say laughable.
No he wasnt.

[Legends66NBA7]

Royal???

I think he meant loyal.

But yeah, Bryant technically does have the bling to be royal too...

[tpols]

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/462473/
:roll:

[crisoner]

Royal???

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/3/39162/1709512-scoobydoo.gif_3_.jpg

Ra Rost Royal Rawg Rever!!!!!

[chosen_one6]

No he wasnt.

Drafted by the Charlotte Hornets, which turned out to be the New Orleans Hornets, which are now the New Orleans Pelicans

[SilkkTheShocker]

New Discussion: Is Kobe the best player in New Orleans Pelican history?

[Psycho]

New Discussion: Is Kobe the best player in New Orleans Pelican history?

Chris Paul, bro.

[2010splash]

Kobe rode the coattails of the GOAT center to 3 rings.

Then after just a few seasons with a mediocre roster and adversity, he is gifted a dominant Gasol/Odom/Bynum trio.

Then, as if that wasn't enough, he gets the greatest PG of his era PLUS the greatest C of this era to go along with Gasol. And what does he do with it? He gets swept in the 1st round and drives the superstar center out of LA (again). :oldlol:

LeBron on the other hand led a horrible team to 66 wins (more than Kobe ever won) and also to the Finals (again, with a much worse team than Kobe). And he's won back to back MVPs and titles during the only stretch of his career when he's had any help.

[TonyMontana]

1. He actually was drafted by New Orleans and there is a good chance he forced his way out of there (as well as forcing others not to draft him)

2. He demanded trades after just two years of being on a regular team (as opposed to playing with the perhaps the best peak player of all time in Shaq) in 2006.

The above two things make everything you say laughable.

and this guy ends the thread with in the first post

:applause:


It's Friday, what could anyone possibly be mad about? I don't care for Kobe at all, but he has never at any point in his career made me angry. Some of you guys take this shit wayyyyy to seriously.

The Kobe stans are mad because the sportscaster that actually hangs around the player admitted that its a common feeling in NBA inner circles that noone wants to play with Kobe.

Funny how they are trying to come up with excuses when all the proof is right there. Their going to be fielding a team with Jordan Hill and Andrew Gouldelock as starters. :oldlol:

[miles berg]

Dirk, Duncan, & Kobe only ones in this generation.

[WayOfWade]

Dirk, Duncan, & Kobe only ones in this generation.
Ummm.... Dwyane Wade?

[I<3NBA]

demanding for a trade is not loyalty. yeah he didn't get traded, but he still asked tobe traded. that there is disloyalty. so fk you OP.

[DirkNowitzki41]

Dirk, Duncan and Wade only.

[DMV2]

This is worse than demanding a trade.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1891629

You don't rat out one of your homies because your sorry ass in deep shit.
That my friend is being DISLOYAL at the fullest.

[PJR]

This is worse than demanding a trade.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1891629

You don't rat out one of your homies because your sorry ass in deep shit.
That my friend is being DISLOYAL at the fullest.

Dry snitching. The worst kind of snitching. Kobe is still the hoe of the century for that shit.

[Nevaeh]

Lebron btched out on Cleveland,
Melo left Nuggets,
PP, KG, Ray, all ran away from Boston
CP3 left the Hornets
Dwight left the Magic
Bosh left the Raptors


Aside from Timmy, maybe Wade too, Kobe is the only Superstar that stayed loyal to the Lakers. Haters be like, Kobe this and that, blah blah blah, but deep down, we all know Kobe is the best :bowdown:

"He tried to go to the Bulls."

Guess what? He's still wearing the Lakers uniform.



Magic Johnson had "been there, done that" some 20+ years ago. He also did the "5 Rangz" thing before it even became the popular "go to" phrase these past few years. This was back in the day, when even non-Laker fans actually enjoyed watching the team win.

[Scholar]

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/462473/

Pau came months afterward. He wasn't brought in immediately.

[Scholar]

Magic Johnson had "been there, done that" some 20+ years ago. He also did the "5 Rangz" thing before it even became the popular "go to" phrase these past few years. This was back in the day, when even non-Laker fans actually enjoyed watching the team win.

Wtf are you talking about? :wtf:

All you have to do is watch a documentary about the Showtime Lakers to know that haters have existed in every era of the NBA. You don't become the GOAT sports franchise without a lot of hate coming your way.

[Legends66NBA7]

Wtf are you talking about? :wtf:

All you have to do is watch a documentary about the Showtime Lakers to know that haters have existed in every era of the NBA. You don't become the GOAT sports franchise without a lot of hate coming your way.

Probably by the Celtic fans, but I've seen them being loved even more than the most current factions of the Lakers.

By the way, the GOAT sports franchise are the Yankees. If it's just basketball, then yes I would agree it's the Lakers, with the Celtics not far behind.

[BoutPractice]

Duncan and Dirk are this generation's poster boys for loyalty. Especially Dirk, who endured tough seasons of disappointment after disappointment. When he was finally rewarded with team that had a real opportunity to win it all, he made the most of it.

[Legends66NBA7]

Magic Johnson had "been there, done that" some 20+ years ago. He also did the "5 Rangz" thing before it even became the popular "go to" phrase these past few years. This was back in the day, when even non-Laker fans actually enjoyed watching the team win.

Didn't Magic Johnson want a trade out of the Lakers early on his career (around the 81-82) because he wasn't able to run his style of offense and it eventually got his coach fired for Pat Riley ?

[Nevaeh]

Wtf are you talking about? :wtf:

All you have to do is watch a documentary about the Showtime Lakers to know that haters have existed in every era of the NBA. You don't become the GOAT sports franchise without a lot of hate coming your way.

Um, you do know that the league has always had this group of people called "casuals" who would watch and take interest in the sport, and helped to make it more popular right? "Magic vs. Bird"? Helping the popularity of the sport to the point that it's no longer on tape delay?

Magic Johnson, one of the most charismatic and exciting players to ever play the game, helped the league while it was a sinking ship to become one of the most popular sports in US history. That's called "Impact" and "Game Changing", something you don't have happen without "non-fans" taking an interest in what you're doing.

But of course, you already knew damn well the point that I was making in my original post.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[k0kakw0rld]

But didn't get traded. I don't care about stuff that almost happened.
Of course, you are setting the rules to make you win regardless. What a pathetic human being you are.

[Heavincent]

Of course, you are setting the rules to make you win regardless. What a pathetic human being you are.

I think you take this stuff a bit too seriously.

[DMV2]

Um, you do know that the league has always had this group of people called "casuals" who would watch and take interest in the sport, and helped to make it more popular right? "Magic vs. Bird"? Helping the popularity of the sport to the point that it's no longer on tape delay?

Magic Johnson, one of the most charismatic and exciting players to ever play the game, helped the league while it was a sinking ship to become one of the most popular sports in US history. That's called "Impact" and "Game Changing", something you don't have happen without "non-fans" taking an interest in what you're doing.

But of course, you already knew damn well the point that I was making in my original post.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
Bird and Magic made the NBA mainstream, got the league on primetime TV. :applause:

Jordan made it a global corporation. :bowdown:

[greymatter]

Retard OP can't even spell "loyal" correctly when attempting to describe Kobe. Also too stupid to understand that demanding to be traded in times of mediocrity isn't a sign of loyalty.

[Smoke117]

Kobe the only loyal SUPERSTAR? :roll: :roll: :roll: Someone doesn't know their history of Kobe.

[Nevaeh]

Didn't Magic Johnson want a trade out of the Lakers early on his career (around the 81-82) because he wasn't able to run his style of offense and it eventually got his coach fired for Pat Riley ?

But he didn't get traded, helped the league become more popular than it had ever been, and stayed "loyal" to the Lakers, based on the criteria of the OP's first post, that I was responding to. He's trying to act like Kobe's doing some brand new ISH, when it's already been done years ago, by a fellow Laker no less.

[imnew09]

Kobe the only loyal SUPERSTAR? :roll: :roll: :roll: Someone doesn't know their history of Kobe.

I was referring to the active ones dumb a$$

[Nevaeh]

I was referring to the active ones dumb a$$

Well next time, learn how to type your Thread Title more specifically then.


Kobe haters are mad because he's only SUPERSTAR royal to his Team.

Duncan just proved your Thread title wrong right after this past season's Finals, for example, and Magic proved your "Kobe's the only loyal Laker" line wrong 20+ years ago. This reminds me of one of those Yao Ming's Foot Threads, where he waits for a league event that will make Kobe look unique, only to have it constantly backfire thanks to legit NBA historians.

http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif/bmi_orig_img/laugh.gif

Speaking of History, Bill Russell says "What Up Youngster"? But of course, former players don't fit your Thread's "agenda" do they?

:rolleyes:

[7_cody]

Who cares about loyalty? The Lakers would trade current Kobe for current LeBron in a heartbeat. Any team would.

It's business. Why should Kobe be loyal when the Lakers, and every other team, hell every other businessman is not?

He should go for as much money he possibly can and perform as hard as he can. If winning is more important for him, then he should go to a team, if possible under the system and within the current rules, that will do the best to help him achieve that.

There is nothing wrong with LeBron joining the Heat, for example, it was the 1 hour decision special that was so ridiculous.

If the Lakers tried to underpay Kobe, for example (even though they never will, cuz he's a legend and he still sells tickets) and Kobe left to go to a team that will pay him, I would understand. It would suck to lose him, but I would understand. I sure as hell wouldn't turn down millions of dollars, and any of you that would are as dumb as you look.

[imnew09]

Well next time, learn how to type your Thread Title more specifically then.



Duncan just proved your Thread title wrong right after this past season's Finals, for example, and Magic proved your "Kobe's the only loyal Laker" line wrong 20+ years ago. This reminds me of one of those Yao Ming's Foot Threads, where he waits for a league event that will make Kobe look unique, only to have it constantly backfire thanks to legit NBA historians.


:rolleyes:


"Aside from Timmy, maybe Wade too, Kobe is the only Superstar that stayed loyal to the Lakers. " If you actually learn how to fken read you wouldn't be trying so hard. :facepalm

Thread title are used to attract haters like you, the context is what tells the true.

[SpecialQue]

1. He actually was drafted by New Orleans and there is a good chance he forced his way out of there (as well as forcing others not to draft him)

2. He demanded trades after just two years of being on a regular team (as opposed to playing with the perhaps the best peak player of all time in Shaq) in 2006.

The above two things make everything you say laughable.

I always laugh when I see retards post shit like this. A high school kid who's a low pick in the draft somehow has all this major pull? Suuuuure.

Kobe's a Laker because West was really high on him and wanted him and Shaq. Even the Clippers didn't want Kobe at the time. Get your head out of your ass.

[imnew09]

I always laugh when I see retards post shit like this. A high school kid who's a low pick in the draft somehow has all this major pull? Suuuuure.



:applause: :applause:

Bryant was drafted by 13th pick... and haters are trying to convince us that all along they knew that a high school kid will be a superstar.

[COnDEMnED]

1. He actually was drafted by New Orleans and there is a good chance he forced his way out of there (as well as forcing others not to draft him)

2. He demanded trades after just two years of being on a regular team (as opposed to playing with the perhaps the best peak player of all time in Shaq) in 2006.

The above two things make everything you say laughable.
Shaq was traded to Miami in 2004. :hammerhead:

[branslowski]

Shaq was traded to Miami in 2004. :hammerhead:

Tmacattack aka Dmavs aka Ginobli = Retarded.

[The Iron Fist]

1. He actually was drafted by New Orleans and there is a good chance he forced his way out of there (as well as forcing others not to draft him)

2. He demanded trades after just two years of being on a regular team (as opposed to playing with the perhaps the best peak player of all time in Shaq) in 2006.

The above two things make everything you say laughable.

How does an unknown 17 year old tell an NBA organization what to do?

[The Iron Fist]

He's played with the most help of this era...and he's still been a malcontent, run people out of town, and demanded trades publicly.

ROFL...
what championship team doesn't have "help"?

[Heavincent]

what championship team doesn't have "help"?

It's just part of his ass-backwards "Kobe is overrated because he played with good players" logic.

[The Iron Fist]

Yup, and it is a fact that Kobe demanded a trade in 2007.
Tim Duncan was going to sign with Orlando to join TMac and Hill.

Automatically out of the top ten GOAT list.

[1~Gibson~1]

Kobe haters are mad because he's only SUPERSTAR royal to his Team.Only a fan of Kobe Bean Bryant would say something as gay as this. There are REAL NBA fans, and there are people like the OP....

Don't be like the OP :lol

[Ne 1]

1. He actually was drafted by New Orleans and there is a good chance he forced his way out of there (as well as forcing others not to draft him)



The deal was actually done a day ahead of time, and it was Vlade for a player to be named," said Bill Branch, the Hornets' head scout at the time who still operates out of Charlotte as a scout for the Seattle-now-Oklahoma City Sonics. "If I remember right, they didn't even tell us who they wanted us to pick until about five minutes before the pick was made. So it was never a matter of us actually drafting Kobe."

The trade was more about the Lakers' pursuit of Shaquille O'Neal in free agency and the Hornets' need to acquire a center than it was about Kobe Bryant.


So basically, the Hornets agreed to swap the 13th pick for Vlade before they even knew the Lakers wanted Kobe. The Lakers told the Hornets to draft Kobe 5 minutes before they made the pick.

Another quote:

[DMAVS41]

what championship team doesn't have "help"?

What does that mean?

I simply said Kobe has been blessed to play with the most help of the post MJ era. Which he as. And played for the best or 2nd best franchise in NBA history.

And even with all that...he's been a malcontent, caused chemistry issues, publicly thrown teammates under the bus, and publicly demanded trades.

So I don't want to hear how he is the only loyal superstar.

It's not backwards logic. I never said championship teams don't have help. I said Kobe has had the most of this era....which he has.

So given his troublesome history with the Lakers at times...I can't even imagine what his career would look like in terms of loyalty if he played for just a normal franchise...let alone a bad one.

[Rose'sACL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li52iOIFA6M&list=FLvHSJb8tu-ArrnwVuTcGWLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=451s


/thread

[Ne 1]

Who cares about loyalty? The Lakers would trade current Kobe for current LeBron in a heartbeat. Any team would.

It's business. Why should Kobe be loyal when the Lakers, and every other team, hell every other businessman is not?

He should go for as much money he possibly can and perform as hard as he can. If winning is more important for him, then he should go to a team, if possible under the system and within the current rules, that will do the best to help him achieve that.

There is nothing wrong with LeBron joining the Heat, for example, it was the 1 hour decision special that was so ridiculous.

If the Lakers tried to underpay Kobe, for example (even though they never will, cuz he's a legend and he still sells tickets) and Kobe left to go to a team that will pay him, I would understand. It would suck to lose him, but I would understand. I sure as hell wouldn't turn down millions of dollars, and any of you that would are as dumb as you look.

Good points. Yeah, at the end of the day, the NBA is a business and most superstar players aren't like Tim Duncan, and as you said, there's nothing wrong with LeBron going to Miami, it's that he left a team where he acted like he was some hometown hero in order to build his fan base up their only to embarrass them on national TV to go play with another top 3 and top 10-15 player in the league at the time.

[Rose'sACL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li52iOIFA6M&list=FLvHSJb8tu-ArrnwVuTcGWLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=451s


/thread

[Ne 1]

Kobe has been blessed to play with the most help of the post MJ era.

That would be Shaq. Played with Prime Penny Hardaway and a stacked team in Orlando, an All-Star back-court of Eddie/Nick Van Exel and a stacked Lakers team, Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, Steve Nash, LeBron James and Kevin Garnett/Paul Pierce/Ray Allen.

[Heavincent]

What does that mean?

I simply said Kobe has been blessed to play with the most help of the post MJ era. Which he as. And played for the best or 2nd best franchise in NBA history.

And even with all that...he's been a malcontent, caused chemistry issues, publicly thrown teammates under the bus, and publicly demanded trades.

So I don't want to hear how he is the only loyal superstar.

It's not backwards logic. I never said championship teams don't have help. I said Kobe has had the most of this era....which he has.

So given his troublesome history with the Lakers at times...I can't even imagine what his career would look like in terms of loyalty if he played for just a normal franchise...let alone a bad one.

One could argue that Shaq had the most help. Prime Kobe, prime Wade, pre-injury Penny Hardaway, Steve Nash, Lebron, KG, Pierce, and Rondo.

And maybe Duncan too. David Robinson, Tony Parker, Manu, Bruce Bowen. Didn't play with the big time superstars that Shaq and Kobe played with, but he played with a bunch of really great role players. Kobe's championship teams were usually top heavy and not as deep as Duncan's Spurs teams.

Not that it even matters. It's asinine to discredit somebody because he had good teammates.

[Rose'sACL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li52iOIFA6M&list=FLvHSJb8tu-ArrnwVuTcGWLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=451s


/thread

[KG215]

Kobe rode the coattails of the GOAT center to 3 rings.

Then after just a few seasons with a mediocre roster and adversity, he is gifted a dominant Gasol/Odom/Bynum trio.

Then, as if that wasn't enough, he gets the greatest PG of his era PLUS the greatest C of this era to go along with Gasol. And what does he do with it? He gets swept in the 1st round and drives the superstar center out of LA (again). :oldlol:

LeBron on the other hand led a horrible team to 66 wins (more than Kobe ever won) and also to the Finals (again, with a much worse team than Kobe). And he's won back to back MVPs and titles during the only stretch of his career when he's had any help.
Says the used to be Kobe fan/LeBron hater.

[arifgokcen]

Lebron btched out on Cleveland,
Melo left Nuggets,
PP, KG, Ray, all ran away from Boston
CP3 left the Hornets
Dwight left the Magic
Bosh left the Raptors


Aside from Timmy, maybe Wade too, Kobe is the only Superstar that stayed loyal to the Lakers. Haters be like, Kobe this and that, blah blah blah, but deep down, we all know Kobe is the best :bowdown:

"He tried to go to the Bulls."

Guess what? He's still wearing the Lakers uniform.

I am sad to see trolls like you call themselves lakers fans because then me saying i am a lakers fan puts you and me in the same boat :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Learn the history



1. He actually was drafted by New Orleans and there is a good chance he forced his way out of there (as well as forcing others not to draft him)

2. He demanded trades after just two years of being on a regular team (as opposed to playing with the perhaps the best peak player of all time in Shaq) in 2006.

The above two things make everything you say laughable.

[KG215]

One could argue that Shaq had the most help. Prime Kobe, prime Wade, pre-injury Penny Hardaway, Steve Nash, Lebron, KG, Pierce, and Rondo.

And maybe Duncan too. David Robinson, Tony Parker, Manu, Bruce Bowen. Didn't play with the big time superstars that Shaq and Kobe played with, but he played with a bunch of really great role players. Kobe's championship teams were usually top heavy and not as deep as Duncan's Spurs teams.

Not that it even matters. It's asinine to discredit somebody because he had good teammates.
Duncan? No.

[Bandito]

Royal???
I can't believe people took this long to notice:roll: :applause:

[D-Rose]

Have been a fan of Bryant and LA for years now and have to say that OP and any other fans in here agreeing with him are stupid as ****.

Kobe not being traded is not because he didn't want to, but because he got help and shut up again.

Kobe clearly wanted out back in '07, how is that loyalty? I mean, could you fathom him in KG's position in Minny for all those shitty years? Hell no.

Most loyal guys of this era were Duncan, Dirk, PP, Wade, KG.

[KyleKong]

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[DMAVS41]

One could argue that Shaq had the most help. Prime Kobe, prime Wade, pre-injury Penny Hardaway, Steve Nash, Lebron, KG, Pierce, and Rondo.

And maybe Duncan too. David Robinson, Tony Parker, Manu, Bruce Bowen. Didn't play with the big time superstars that Shaq and Kobe played with, but he played with a bunch of really great role players. Kobe's championship teams were usually top heavy and not as deep as Duncan's Spurs teams.

Not that it even matters. It's asinine to discredit somebody because he had good teammates.

Discredit and context are two different things. And I said post MJ era...so Shaq's time pre Lakers doesn't count in what I said. Shaq came into the league in the MJ era.

Yes...if you count Shaq's entire career he also played with a ton of help. And that should matter when you put his career into context.

But the point...which I shouldn't have to spell out. Is that Kobe had no reason not to be loyal. The only 3 years of his career in which he didn't have one of, if not the best, supporting casts was after he and Shaq feuded and basically the Lakers were forced to part with one of them. Now, before you freak out...I'm not fully blaming Kobe. But he played a large role in that and obviously wanted to prove his worth on his own.

So think about that. The only span in his 17 year career in which he didn't have great help was in part caused by himself.

So...compare that to guys like Dirk, PP, KG, Wade, Duncan...etc. It's not even comparable. Dirk played with very good, but not great help...Kobe probably asks to be traded 3 plus times in Dirk's shoes.

So I don't want to hear about how loyal Kobe is when he played with the most help of the era and still caused problems on and off the court and publicly demanded to be traded. It's absurd.

[KG215]

But didn't get traded. I don't care about stuff that almost happened.
This is absurd given the topic of the thread. It's indisputable fact that Kobe wanted, asked for demanded a trade at one point. That's not being very loyal to your team.

[7_cody]

Discredit and context are two different things. And I said post MJ era...so Shaq's time pre Lakers doesn't count in what I said. Shaq came into the league in the MJ era.

Yes...if you count Shaq's entire career he also played with a ton of help. And that should matter when you put his career into context.

But the point...which I shouldn't have to spell out. Is that Kobe had no reason not to be loyal. The only 3 years of his career in which he didn't have one of, if not the best, supporting casts was after he and Shaq feuded and basically the Lakers were forced to part with one of them. Now, before you freak out...I'm not fully blaming Kobe. But he played a large role in that and obviously wanted to prove his worth on his own.

So think about that. The only span in his 17 year career in which he didn't have great help was in part caused by himself.

So...compare that to guys like Dirk, PP, KG, Wade, Duncan...etc. It's not even comparable. Dirk played with very good, but not great help...Kobe probably asks to be traded 3 plus times in Dirk's shoes.

So I don't want to hear about how loyal Kobe is when he played with the most help of the era and still caused problems on and off the court and publicly demanded to be traded. It's absurd.

What problems did he cause? He had leverage, and he used it like anyone else should have in a business world. At the time losing Shaq seemed catastrophic. But then we won back-to-back championships shortly after, so, it appears that Kobe didn't just talk the walk, but he walked the walk. Who knows if we win back-to-back chips by keeping Shaq. Why take that gamble, we already know that Kobe + Pau did it for us?

Besides Smush Parker, Kobe hasn't had many teammates complain about him. Coaches and players have complained about lack of touches, no doubt, so while he is a ballhog he isn't some horrible team cancer or something like you guys are trying to make him out to be.

[DMAVS41]

This is absurd given the topic of the thread. It's indisputable fact that Kobe wanted, asked for demanded a trade at one point. That's not being very loyal to your team.

Especially when in 14 of the 17 years of his career he's had good to ****ing great supporting casts...nearly all of them being championship caliber.

[7_cody]

This is absurd given the topic of the thread. It's indisputable fact that Kobe wanted, asked for demanded a trade at one point. That's not being very loyal to your team.

He had leverage and he used it, as he should have. Anyone that is not as dumb as the average ISH poster would have done the same thing.

Besides, we did win back-to-back championships shortly after. I think it worked out pretty well, don't you?

[DMAVS41]

What problems did he cause? He had leverage, and he used it like anyone else should have in a business world. At the time losing Shaq seemed catastrophic. But then we won back-to-back championships shortly after, so, it appears that Kobe didn't just talk the walk, but he walked the walk. Who knows if we win back-to-back chips by keeping Shaq. Why take that gamble, we already know that Kobe + Pau did it for us?

Besides Smush Parker, Kobe hasn't had many teammates complain about him. Coaches and players have complained about lack of touches, no doubt, so while he is a ballhog he isn't some horrible team cancer or something like you guys are trying to make him out to be.

You need to learn the history. Kobe was causing problems on the Lakers for a long time. Read Phil Jackson's book...LOL

There seems to be two arguments here. This isn't about denying the greatness of Kobe or his career.

It's about talking some sense into you morons insisting he's the most loyal player of this era. Which is ****ing absurd even without context. But factoring in having championship rosters literally 75% of your career or more...just makes it even more of a joke.

[KG215]

He had leverage and he used it, as he should have. Anyone that is not as dumb as the average ISH poster would have done the same thing.

Besides, we did win back-to-back championships shortly after. I think it worked out pretty well, don't you?
I'm sorry, but what does this have to do with loyalty? At what point in their careers did KG, Duncan, Dirk, and Pierce make a scene and demand to be traded?

Are the Kobe fanboys completely missing the point of the entire thread? We're talking about the most loyal superstar of this era. What he did may have worked out, it still doesn't excuse him.

[7_cody]

You need to learn the history. Kobe was causing problems on the Lakers for a long time. Read Phil Jackson's book...LOL

There seems to be two arguments here. This isn't about denying the greatness of Kobe or his career.

It's about talking some sense into you morons insisting he's the most loyal player of this era. Which is ****ing absurd even without context. But factoring in having championship rosters literally 75% of your career or more...just makes it even more of a joke.

Oh I already mentioned earlier that I don't give a crap about "loyalty" in a business sense. So I guess I did get off topic a bit in my last post. I guess he isn't loyal, and I don't really care about that.

Phil wrote his book to sell. Do you think he was telling the whole story? He could have written a similar book about any other legendary superstar player.

edit: Hell, he probably could have written a worse book about Michael Jordan, but I don't know that's just my speculation

[7_cody]

I'm sorry, but what does this have to do with loyalty? At what point in their careers did KG, Dirk, and Pierce make a scene and demand to be traded?

Are the Kobe fanboys completely missing the point of the entire thread? We're talking about the most loyal superstar of this era. What he did may have worked out, it still doesn't excuse him.

You're right, I dismissed the loyalty thing earlier as I personally don't care about that and got off topic. My bad.

Kobe isn't the cancer teammate that some are making him out to be. That is all.

[Bigsmoke]

A fact that due to Kobe's demands, he helped the Lakers hang 2 more championship banners :bowdown:

That's why Kobe and Timmy stayed on their teams.... They franchises were able to support their star players unlike those other guys. KG should get knocked for forcing his way out of a team with nothing but garbage?

[dannysc305]

Yeah were so mad bro. Were totally losing sleep over this.

[Nevaeh]

He had leverage and he used it, as he should have. Anyone that is not as dumb as the average ISH poster would have done the same thing.

Besides, we did win back-to-back championships shortly after. I think it worked out pretty well, don't you?

Well, this begs the question, what exactly is "loyalty" in sports anyway? Is it staying with an organization that exploits the hell out of you, and doesn't give you help? Is it voicing your concerns for what can make the team better, only to not have your voice heard? Is it being content with just collecting a paycheck, and not caring how far your team goes in the Playoffs? Where exactly is the line drawn?

It's just kinda funny to me that players are expected to be loyal to a fault, while the team that they work for can make blatantly un-loyal moves, and it's simply looked at as a "business decision". Top Players compete to win Championships and always have. If the team that they work for are not, or can not make moves to make that happen, a player has a right to do something about it, just like Kobe did, just like Magic did, just like Duncan did, just like Jordan did, just like Shaq did, etc.

Loyalty is a two way street, and always has been. That's why I don't get caught up in arguments about some bullsh!t pseudo "loyalty" that only goes as far as a team is willing to work to improve their team's chances of winning. But I had to correct the OP on a coupleof points that he made that were just plain wrong.

[DMAVS41]

You're right, I dismissed the loyalty thing earlier as I personally don't care about that and got off topic. My bad.

Kobe isn't the cancer teammate that some are making him out to be. That is all.

Well, compared to some guys like Duncan and Dirk...who cause virtually no problems on or off the court...I'd say Kobe has been a pretty cancerous teammate compared to them.

So basically you have just ignored the point of the entire thread? Got it.

[ciaguy23]

That's fine and great for Kobe.....hell I'd stick around too if I was making 30 million a year (half of the teams salary before the cap). Too bad it's the same reason why the lakers have sucked dick the last two years, Howard's leaving, and Phil Jackson retired and another coach was fired because that dudes contract cash strapped that team and no depth moves could ever be made and maybe if he realized he's not 29 anymore the lakers could be better set up for the future.