Why criticism of the James-Bosh-Wade teaming is unfair

[hawkfan]

Why is this unfair?
Because all three players were willing to take less money in order to put together a championship team.
All three players took far less money to team up, as did Haslem and Miller.

Why don't Paul and Howard do that - team up together and take less money? It shows they aren't willing to sacrifice to win championships.

[DaSeba5]

They were unselfish enough to come together to win championships. They had to give up their egos, the way they played, money, and much more. Most players cannot do that. Howard, for instance, wants to be the man of a franchise. He wants people to surround him rather than take a pay cut to play with other stars.

[stallionaire]

It's only unfair when LeBron does it. Not when Kobe does it or when MJ was just drafted into an organization that put key pieces around him.

As time goes on, LeBrons Cavs will go down as one of the worst supporting casts ever for a championship caliber team (it was only a championship caliber team caus of LBJ).

[Psycho]

It's not unfair. It's just boring. People want to see stars with competitive fire maximizing their talents to overcome the stars around them. Not all jump on the same team.

Wade and Lebron had some pretty awesome matchups before they teamed up, but now we are deprived of that. People want competition, not a monopoly.

[SpecialQue]

Isn't the tax issue in Miami an incentive to sign there? I could have sworn that, when taxes are taken into consideration, they aren't taking much of a "cut" at all.

Also, it isn't "fair" that Pierce isn't going to retire as a Celtic, but this is a business. Lebron, Wade and Bosh were just smarter than everyone else. As a Heat-hater, it pains me to say this, but it's a fact.

[2LeTTeRS]

You realize that over the life of a contract (which can be anywhere between 4 and 6 years) they probably sacrificed what $10 to $15 mil? Those $2.5 mil per year is literally nothing for them considering all the extra endorsement money they are getting now that their "brand" is associated with winning.


The Heat's two newest superstars signed matching six-year, $110.1 million contracts, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher. Dwyane Wade took an even bigger discount to stay in Miami, signing for six years and $107.5 million, according to the sources.

Sources told ESPN.com's Chad Ford that James and Bosh are scheduled to make $14.5 million and Wade $14 million in 2010-11.

Each player took $15 million less over the life of the contract to sign with Miami, but the deals came with a caveat.

All three contracts, sources told ESPN.com's Marc Stein, have an early termination option after the fourth season that would allow LeBron, Bosh and Wade to return to free agency in the summer of 2014. Each player also possesses a player option entering the final season of the contract (2015-16).

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5368003

[PJR]

Yeah in reality, they really didn't end up giving up a ton of money. That's the beauty of the situation was they all got their cake, and got to eat it too, after Cleveland and Toronto agreed to the sign & trades. :oldlol: I mean LeBron and Bosh got 6 years, 110 million deals. And Wade got 6 years 107. That's a lot of money.

They certainly gave up some money, the max they all could've received was 6 years, 128 million. So they all gave up around 15+ million plus over the life of the deals. But that's a no brainer.

The Heat just had a shit ton of cap flexibility, and Pat Riley/Andy Ellisburg had Toronto and Cleveland by the balls. Got them to agree to sign & trades for a couple of measly first rounders :oldlol:

Unless guys are willing to take 30%, 40%, or even 50% type paycuts, this will never happen again with the new CBA.

[tmacattack33]

The money thing isn't that big of a deal since Lebron and Wade will gain that back from sponsorhips (Chris Bosh won't though...so good for him to take less money).

The reason it was fine to me is the hilarity of Lebron's situation in Cleveland. He was there for 7 years and his team's idea of surrounding him with talent was Larry Hughes signing in 2006 or whatever, the Ben Wallace + Wally Sczerbiak trade in 2008, the Mo Williams signing in 2009, and Antawn Jamison in 2010. :oldlol:

[kNicKz]

these 3 dudes were actually scared to compete as the main star on each of their teams :roll:

They teamed up when they were all rivals lmfao, thats crazy. My brain doesn't compute that logic

[DaSeba5]

these 3 dudes were actually scared to compete as the main star on each of their teams :roll:

They teamed up when they were all rivals lmfao, thats crazy

Both LeBron and Wade carried their respective teams to the Finals, and Wade even won a ring with an amazing Finals performance. Both players had poor rosters around them and had to carry them to the playoffs. Even Bosh didn't exactly have a world class roster, but he's not a star like Wade and Lebron. Scared of competition is completely inaccurate.

They were never rivals. How many times did Wade, Bosh, and LeBron play each other in the playoffs?

[2LeTTeRS]

these 3 dudes were actually scared to compete as the main star on each of their teams :roll:

They teamed up when they were all rivals lmfao, thats crazy. My brain doesn't compute that logic

Rivals? Please tell me about those epic playoff contests Bron had against D Wade and Chris Bosh, I'm having a hard time remembering them.

We all get the fact that you hate them partnering up, but it happened 3 years ago --- time to move on.

[SilkkTheShocker]

these 3 dudes were actually scared to compete as the main star on each of their teams :roll:

They teamed up when they were all rivals lmfao, thats crazy. My brain doesn't compute that logic

Lol

[TMT]

Yeah in reality, they really didn't end up giving up a ton of money. That's the beauty of the situation was they all got there cake, and got to eat it too, after Cleveland and Toronto agreed to the sign & trades. :oldlol: I mean LeBron and Bosh got 6 years, 110 million deals. And Wade got 6 years 107. That's a lot of money.

They certainly gave up some money, the max they all could've received was 6 years, 128 million. So they all gave up around 15+ million plus over the life of the deals. But that's a no brainer.

The Heat just had a shit ton of cap flexibility, and Pat Riley/Andy Ellisburg had Toronto and Cleveland by the balls. Got them to agree to sign & trades for a couple of measly first rounders :oldlol:

Unless guys are willing to take 30%, 40%, or even 50% type paycuts, this will never happen again with the new CBA.

:applause: This post sums it up exactly. The Heat taking 'paycuts' is so over-exaggerated when they all are making hundreds of millions regardless and make up the rest with endorsements anyway.

Ray Allen is an example of taking a legit paycut. The guy literally took a fraction of what he could have in Boston.

[imdaman99]

lol at them taking paycuts. id be willing to take a paycut from making 20 mill to 15 million a year instead :lol

[Leftimage]

It's not unfair. It's just boring. People want to see stars with competitive fire maximizing their talents to overcome the stars around them. Not all jump on the same team.

Wade and Lebron had some pretty awesome matchups before they teamed up, but now we are deprived of that. People want competition, not a monopoly.

Right, because this year's ECF and Finals were so uncompetitive it was boring.

Fact is, you just never know what you're gonna get until a team is formed and playing... Give one team no salary cap and an infinite amount of funds; chances are they will win it all, but it's far from a guarantee.

Beside if lakers hadn't formed one of these so-called superteams last year we would have been deprived of a whole lotta laughs.

IMO the Wade-Lebron matchups were great back in the day. But look what the big three era Heat have brought us: outstanding Wade-Lebron chemistry night in night out. The most hated team in recent NBA history. If anything the NBA post-''decision'' has been as exciting as ever.

[DaSeba5]

Yeah in reality, they really didn't end up giving up a ton of money. That's the beauty of the situation was they all got their cake, and got to eat it too, after Cleveland and Toronto agreed to the sign & trades. :oldlol: I mean LeBron and Bosh got 6 years, 110 million deals. And Wade got 6 years 107. That's a lot of money.

They certainly gave up some money, the max they all could've received was 6 years, 128 million. So they all gave up around 15+ million plus over the life of the deals. But that's a no brainer.

The Heat just had a shit ton of cap flexibility, and Pat Riley/Andy Ellisburg had Toronto and Cleveland by the balls. Got them to agree to sign & trades for a couple of measly first rounders :oldlol:

Unless guys are willing to take 30%, 40%, or even 50% type paycuts, this will never happen again with the new CBA.

Plus no state income tax in Florida

[FLDFSU]

It's not unfair. It's just boring. People want to see stars with competitive fire maximizing their talents to overcome the stars around them. Not all jump on the same team.

Wade and Lebron had some pretty awesome matchups before they teamed up, but now we are deprived of that. People want competition, not a monopoly.

And I would have loved to see Kevin Garrett vs Paul Pierce too. We didn't get that neither.

[dh144498]

OP is right, it's not fair to say that, Lebron and Bosh are not able to win with the team they played for since day 1, so what else could they do in order to win?

[imdaman99]

And I would have loved to see Kevin Garrett vs Paul Pierce too. We didn't get that neither.
yeah except they played in different conferences. these 3 guys teamed up while they were in the same conference. they wanted to eliminate competition in the conference they played in. i see nothing wrong with it, i like taking shortcuts at work too :confusedshrug:

[2LeTTeRS]

yeah except they played in different conferences. these 3 guys teamed up while they were in the same conference. they wanted to eliminate competition in the conference they played in. i see nothing wrong with it, i like taking shortcuts at work too :confusedshrug:

Weren't you one of the biggest supporters of Bron coming to NYC back in 2010? Take a look at this >>>> http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168078



depends what the superstar wants. if he wants to pick his new coach, its all on him. if he wants to try pringles man a year, than he stays. honestly its all about lebron or wade or maybe both if my dream comes true!


So teaming up in NY is ok, but joining with Wade in Miami isn't? Got it.

[kamil]

The media attention, endorsements, etc. all far surpass whatever they've lost in their Heat contracts from their paycuts.

Doesn't matter how you look at it, they all took a shortcut to win a championship as part of collusion, the biggest asterisk in NBA history.

[FLDFSU]

yeah except they played in different conferences. these 3 guys teamed up while they were in the same conference. they wanted to eliminate competition in the conference they played in. i see nothing wrong with it, i like taking shortcuts at work too :confusedshrug:

So. Image the epic finals we were deprived of. In addition we could of had allen vs Garrett too. Too bad Boston had to monopoly the talent and almost got to 5 straight ECF save a Garrett injury and the formation of the Heat big three.

[imdaman99]

Weren't you one of the biggest supporters of Bron coming to NYC back in 2010? Take a look at this >>>> http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168078





So teaming up in NY is ok, but joining with Wade in Miami isn't? Got it.
Yeah because 2 stars is better than 3 stars teaming up. Thanks dude. Thank you for making me read a Lebron23 thread again, good job dude. Keep up the great work, detective. One of the biggest supporters, because I made 3-4 posts about it LMAO. Thanks dude, read me all the threads I made about it too detective. Great job, great effort :applause:

[FLDFSU]

Weren't you one of the biggest supporters of Bron coming to NYC back in 2010? Take a look at this >>>> http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168078





So teaming up in NY is ok, but joining with Wade in Miami isn't? Got it.


:roll: busted. The idea of clearing cap space to sign 2 or 3 stars actually came from NY. They were the first I heard talking about it.

[PickernRoller]

OP says taking pay cuts is a sacrifice to win.

What I heard was, taking pay cuts is a shortcut success.

[Dagouch]

I think most of the criticism is that most people thought they colluded a long time ago to form their version of the big three.

Plus Lebron's decsion was probably didn't help much either.

at this point I really don't care. Good for them.

[PJR]

Weren't you one of the biggest supporters of Bron coming to NYC back in 2010? Take a look at this >>>> http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168078





So teaming up in NY is ok, but joining with Wade in Miami isn't? Got it.

:roll: :roll:

[2LeTTeRS]

Yeah because 2 stars is better than 3 stars teaming up. Thanks dude. Thank you for making me read a Lebron23 thread again, good job dude. Keep up the great work, detective. One of the biggest supporters, because I made 3-4 posts about it LMAO. Thanks dude, read me all the threads I made about it too detective. Great job, great effort :applause:

Its ok man, you don't have to get all salty because your "dream didn't come true."

[imdaman99]

Its ok man, you don't have to get all salty because your "dream didn't come true."
im glad you read internet sarcasm so well :applause:
i was just acknowledging your great detective work. how many other accounts do you have lebron23? :facepalm

[HoopsFanNumero1]

im glad you read internet sarcasm so well :applause:
i was just acknowledging your great detective work. how many other accounts do you have lebron23? :facepalm

You've been exposed. Don't be a bitch and accept it like a man.

[imdaman99]

hey april 2013. dont ever reply to any of my posts dude :roll:

[longtime lurker]

Weren't you one of the biggest supporters of Bron coming to NYC back in 2010? Take a look at this >>>> http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168078





So teaming up in NY is ok, but joining with Wade in Miami isn't? Got it.

Umm the link you provided didn't really prove anything. He said 3 superstars teaming up killed the conference, nothing was said about 2. In fact if it was only 2 I'm pretty sure nobody would make a big deal out of it.

[Dagouch]

Can't Speak for Imdaman but I thought we had a Chance at Lebron at first.

If I remember correctly we publicly said we were clearing Cap Space for making a run at Lebron. Then Riley shortly did the same thing.

In my mind I knew it was over when Wade and Bosh were having dinner and they had a chair saved for Lebron after they signed.

Good for them.

[PickernRoller]

Can't Speak for Imdaman but I thought we had a Chance at Lebron at first.

If I remember correctly we publicly said we were clearing Cap Space for making a run at Lebron. Then Riley shortly did the same thing.

In my mind I knew it was over when Wade and Bosh were having dinner and they had a chair saved for Lebron after they signed.

Good for them.

Lol they colluded(the idea) since the 08 Olympics. Knicks fans getting their hopes up was just media hype around the whole thing like Dwight with the Rockets/Mavs now.

Came to no surprise for me. Riley just made it work on the business side.

Sacrifice = shortcut nowadays - how the words have changed.

[longtime lurker]

Can't Speak for Imdaman but I thought we had a Chance at Lebron at first.

If I remember correctly we publicly said we were clearing Cap Space for making a run at Lebron. Then Riley shortly did the same thing.

In my mind I knew it was over when Wade and Bosh were having dinner and they had a chair saved for Lebron after they signed.

Good for them.

Knicks fans were saying they had a chance at Lebron and or Bosh/Amare/Boozer/Joe Johnson and they'd trade for some depth. No one was saying to build a Miami big 3.

[PJR]

Knicks fans were saying they had a chance at Lebron and or Bosh/Amare/Boozer/Joe Johnson and they'd trade for some depth. No one was saying to build a Miami big 3.

Um, there weren't talking about the possibility of three because they didnt have the cap flexibility to make it happen, genius.

[Magic 32]

As time goes on, LeBrons Cavs will go down as one of the worst supporting casts ever for a championship caliber team (it was only a championship caliber team caus of LBJ).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdeqTcdauyU

One missed Lebron layup from winning the game (and the series).

Lebron 2-18 FG, 10 turnovers.

[SilkkTheShocker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdeqTcdauyU

One missed Lebron layup from winning the game (and the series).

Lebron 2-18 FG, 10 turnovers.

2nd best player: Delonte West.

[PickernRoller]

2nd best player: Delonte West.

Since when are excuses allowed?

[ispin69]

I agree. In fact, I will hold it against players who had the opportunity to team up and decided not to just mostly for the money. CP3 and D12 have been talking about teaming up for years and never did. Deron Williams had a chance to team up with Dwight Howard but chose to team up with fellow stats padder on crappy teams Joe Johnson? Were they even contenders last year? :facepalm

I'm surprised KG would team up with these career losers.

[PJR]

Since when are excuses allowed?

I'd say since Bryant fanatics started using them for Kobe's lottery bound season, and first rounds exits from 2005-2007.

[Magic 32]

2nd best player: Delonte West.

Delonte West
Wally Szczerbiak
Ben Wallace
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Anderson Varejao

The team could shot and defend on a elite level.

All you need on a team centered around a ball-dominant superstar (Iverson 2001, Kidd 2002-04).

They were build to win regular season games in a weak conference and then lose to the first championship caliber team that could shut down Lebron's 1-dimensional game.

[Magic 32]

I'd say since Bryant fanatics started using them for Kobe's lottery bound season, and first rounds exits from 2005-2007.

Lebron's supporting cast could defend and shot, the two most important skills on a team with only one offensive superstar.

Kobe's 2005-2007 cast were uniquely awful in those two areas.

In 2004-05 (Kobe's worst team ever), the Lakers were something like 28-5 when they held their opponents under 100 points.

And they played in the west.

[Frozen1]

CP3 and Howard won't take paycuts because they know they aren't good enough to win championships by themselves.

It would be dumb to take a paycut and don't win championships either.

In 2010, Lebron was the best player in the nba, and Wade was the third or the second best player.

Howard and CP3 aren't nowhere near of 2010 lebron and wade level.

[K Xerxes]

I don't care. They're not exactly sweeping the playoffs, are they? They lost in the first year, got pushed hard in the ECSF and ECF in their second year, and got taken to 7 games in the ECF and were literally on the brink of losing in the finals last season

That's still high class competition, and it's fun to watch. They got embarrassed and had to work for their rings. That's kinda the point ultimately - and it translates to entertainment for the fans.

[Psycho]

hey april 2013. dont ever reply to any of my posts dude :roll:

Why? Because you're a bitch?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Pretty sure LeBron made up for it when he won a title with Wade and Bosh average 15 and 12 points respectively. Stacked team!!!! What would the Heat had done without Bosh dropping ZERO points in game 7 of the Finals? What a superstar :oldlol:

[Solefade]

Delonte West
Wally Szczerbiak
Ben Wallace
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Anderson Varejao

The team could shot and defend on a elite level.

All you need on a team centered around a ball-dominant superstar (Iverson 2001, Kidd 2002-04).

They were build to win regular season games in a weak conference and then lose to the first championship caliber team that could shut down Lebron's 1-dimensional game.

holy fvck :facepalm

you're dumber than Javale McGee.

[GrapeApe]

Pretty sure LeBron made up for it when he won a title with Wade and Bosh average 15 and 12 points respectively. Stacked team!!!! What would the Heat had done without Bosh dropping ZERO points in game 7 of the Finals? What a superstar :oldlol:

LeBron would likely still be ringless without Bosh. Just sayin. As for the topic, the NBA is about winning championships, not about who can win championships with worst roster. If star players are free agents and want to join forces, so be it. The thing is, a lot of guys wouldn't do it because they value individual glory over team success.

[SilkkTheShocker]

LeBron would likely still be ringless without Bosh. Just sayin. As for the topic, the NBA is about winning championships, not about who can win championships with worst roster. If star players are free agents and want to join forces, so be it. The thing is, a lot of guys wouldn't do it because they value individual glory over team success.
Never said they didn't him. But I'm not giving excuses for playing like shit. Zero points in game 7 and got decimated by Duncan.

[Sarcastic]

If Wade and Bosh are so bad, then why leave Cleveland? Why go through the whole ordeal of being made a bad guy? He should have just lived up to his promise and brought a title to the Cavs.

[SilkkTheShocker]

If Wade and Bosh are so bad, then why leave Cleveland? Why go through the whole ordeal of being made a bad guy? He should have just lived up to his promise and brought a title to the Cavs.
Probably because both Wade and Bosh still are a lot better than Mo Williams and big z. Not hard to understand.

[Goldrush25]

It's not unfair. It's just boring. People want to see stars with competitive fire maximizing their talents to overcome the stars around them. Not all jump on the same team.

Wade and Lebron had some pretty awesome matchups before they teamed up, but now we are deprived of that. People want competition, not a monopoly.

No they don't. People actually want dynasties. They want to see great teams headlined by all-time great stars dominating their competition and setting records. People in general want to feel like they're watching history. TV ratings support that.

Only ones that want to see stars spread out equally amongst the league except are fans of the have-nots of the NBA. Parity is highly overrated.

[Magic 32]

holy fvck :facepalm

you're dumber than Javale McGee.

Truth hurts.

Ben Wallace (4 time NBA Defensive Player of the Year)
Zydrunas Ilgauskas (2 time all-star)
Anderson Varejao

vs

Chris Mihm
Kwame Brown
Brian Cook

A no brainer.

[aburre21]

Delonte West
Wally Szczerbiak
Ben Wallace
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Anderson Varejao

The team could shot and defend on a elite level.

All you need on a team centered around a ball-dominant superstar (Iverson 2001, Kidd 2002-04).

They were build to win regular season games in a weak conference and then lose to the first championship caliber team that could shut down Lebron's 1-dimensional game.



only one player could create his own shot though, Bron. We seen what happened to Danny Green when the defense started playing him tight. He couldn't do shit because he couldn't create his own offense.


Varejao is not a scorer by any stretch of the imagination
Sczerbiak was a spot up shooter
Illgauskas was a spot up shooter/pick n roll player
Ben Wallace? He's a joke on offense


LeBron got to the finals in 07. Iverson only got the once. Kidd got there twice but he had Jefferson, Kmart, Kittles and they still got swept by the Lakers

[Magic 32]

only one player could create his own shot though, Bron. We seen what happened to Danny Green when the defense started playing him tight. He couldn't do shit because he couldn't create his own offense.


Varejao is not a scorer by any stretch of the imagination
Sczerbiak was a spot up shooter
Illgauskas was a spot up shooter/pick n roll player
Ben Wallace? He's a joke on offense


Like I said, almost every player on the Cavs could either shot or defend. Lebron wanted the ball 99% of the time on offence. Tailor made team.

Look at Lakers 2005-07 for a good example of how not to build around 1 superstar. No shooters, no defenders.

A street basketball player with zero defence at PG (Smush).
A inconsistent shooter at SF (Odom)
Kwame at PF
A bad defender and shooter at C (Mihm)

All of them with zero heart or grit.

At least Lebron's teams were build with a purpose and a clear identity (defence and spot up shooting).

[Mr. NBA]

only one player could create his own shot though, Bron. We seen what happened to Danny Green when the defense started playing him tight. He couldn't do shit because he couldn't create his own offense.


Varejao is not a scorer by any stretch of the imagination
Sczerbiak was a spot up shooter
Illgauskas was a spot up shooter/pick n roll player
Ben Wallace? He's a joke on offense


LeBron got to the finals in 07. Iverson only got the once. Kidd got there twice but he had Jefferson, Kmart, Kittles and they still got swept by the Lakers
Danny Green was a bench warmer. Which Cleveland team are we talking about here? Danny Green was in college in 07 was he not.

His finals team was good defensively but his best overall team was his last year when he no showed against Boston. If he had any heart at the time, they would have went to the finals. Matter fact, that whole team had no heart.

[ILLsmak]

Why? Because you're a bitch?

nahsun

because it seems more and more likely every one of you is the same person. Or maybe two people. And that's creepy. Nobody should take anyone who joined that month seriously.

-Smak

[Dengness9]

nahsun

because it seems more and more likely every one of you is the same person. Or maybe two people. And that's creepy. Nobody should take anyone who joined that month seriously.

-Smak


Worrrrrdddddddddd

[FLDFSU]

Lebron's supporting cast could defend and shot, the two most important skills on a team with only one offensive superstar.

Kobe's 2005-2007 cast were uniquely awful in those two areas.

In 2004-05 (Kobe's worst team ever), the Lakers were something like 28-5 when they held their opponents under 100 points.

And they played in the west.

Why do you keep saying "shot"?

[aburre21]

Danny Green was a bench warmer. Which Cleveland team are we talking about here? Danny Green was in college in 07 was he not.

His finals team was good defensively but his best overall team was his last year when he no showed against Boston. If he had any heart at the time, they would have went to the finals. Matter fact, that whole team had no heart.
i'm talking about Danny Green this year. He's a shooter and when the Heat started playing him close, he couldn't do anything because he can't create his own offense. That's what basically happened to the Cavs outside of Lebron


LeBron did not no show against Boston. Rondo dominated the series and Jamison could not guard KG, it was a bunch of mismatches on the floor and any objective bball fan would tell you that

[aburre21]

Like I said, almost every player on the Cavs could either shot or defend. Lebron wanted the ball 99% of the time on offence. Tailor made team.

Look at Lakers 2005-07 for a good example of how not to build around 1 superstar. No shooters, no defenders.

A street basketball player with zero defence at PG (Smush).
A inconsistent shooter at SF (Odom)
Kwame at PF
A bad defender and shooter at C (Mihm)

All of them with zero heart or grit.

At least Lebron's teams were build with a purpose and a clear identity (defence and spot up shooting).


and you're not taking into account that nobody else could create their own offense

[Magic 32]

and you're not taking into account that nobody else could create their own offense

Redundant skills when you got a player as ball-dominant as Lebron.

Hell, Lebron has even turned Wade and Bosh into spot up shooters at times.

The Cavs were tailor made for Lebron's game. They were just not as talented as the Heat.

[buddha]

lol at them taking paycuts. id be willing to take a paycut from making 20 mill to 15 million a year instead :lol


that's cause you make 20 thousand a year and can't comprehend the value of a 5 million dollars.

[imdaman99]

that's cause you make 20 thousand a year and can't comprehend the value of a 5 million dollars.
14 yr old is talking about me not being able to comprehend 5 million. odds are i wont see 5 million throughout my lifetime, but unless you are bill gates kids in suicide seattle you won't either so stfu son :lol

[Flash31]

No they don't. People actually want dynasties. They want to see great teams headlined by all-time great stars dominating their competition and setting records. People in general want to feel like they're watching history. TV ratings support that.

Only ones that want to see stars spread out equally amongst the league except are fans of the have-nots of the NBA. Parity is highly overrated.


yep,People want Dynasties

people dont remember the 04,05,06,07 years as much as they do '00-03,08-10,and the Current Heat


The most popular teams of all time were Dynasties,Ratings were at an all time high when Dynasties DOMINATED

BIRD AND MAGIC,Bad Boys,Jordan Bulls,Shaq Lakers,Russell Celtics

People like winning ALL the Time,not just in the NBA,but NHL and MLB as well

Yankees,Red Sox
Canadiens,Red Wings,Blackhawks,Maple Leafs,Rangers

nobody watched for the underdogs,they watched for the Goliaths

People want STARS,Excitement,Flash

doesnt matter how many times you win,or how good your team is,
PEOPLE WATCH STARS

The Det Pistons of 03-08 were a very good team

Made the Finals Twice,held teams to 80 ppg in reg season,
beat the Juggernaut Lakers and yet just Like how the Mavs Beat the Heat

People werent talking about the champions or how good they were but were talking about
the Lakers,Shaq-Kobe,the Heat LeBron,Wade

while Parity is good,People watch bc of Stars and domination

the Spurs have been good to great for 15 Years yet Nobody watches them,
bc there are no exciting,Huge,Stars,no Flash,
just pure basketball


Ratings show that in ALL of SPORTS

Stars bring viewers,not Parity,Dominating brings fans in not Parity

[aj1987]

14 yr old is talking about me not being able to comprehend 5 million. odds are i wont see 5 million throughout my lifetime, but unless you are bill gates kids in suicide seattle you won't either so stfu son :lol
You don't have to be Gates' son to earn $5 million over your lifetime. A lot of people with good jobs in the private sector do it in 15-20 years.

Also, $5 million from a $20 million paycheck is 25%. A 25% pay cut is HUGE, no matter how much you're earning. That money right there would buy you a nice mansion.