At Worse, LeBron Retires As the 2nd Best Player in NBA History

[SilkkTheShocker]

But I have a feeling its going to be more of a 1A/1B thing with Jordan when all is said and done. LeBron is already a top 10 player ever after 10 seasons. Already has 4 MVPs and counting and is the best player in the league by about 3 miles. Who is going to to stop this Heat team for awhile? San Antonio played almost perfect basketball, hit several shots that looked like they came out of game of HORSE, and they still lost. Who is going to beat this Miami team 4 out of 7 times? Bulls? They couldn't even push the series to 5 games when Miami had no bench in 2011. OKC? No, because they trade superstars for Kevin Martin. Pacers? They got a damn good team, but does George take the next step? I don't think people understand this is just the beginning for the Heat. Once Miami reloads in 2014, its going to add more and more championships. LeBron's list of achievements just keeps growing and growing. I honestly don't see anyone stopping him or the Heat for awhile.

[Doranku]

is retires as

[nathanjizzle]

:facepalm lebron only won a chip and finals mvp this season because of some miracle bullshit that his teammates did, which he did his best to undo with 3 straight turnovers:roll: thats not greatness to me take off your lebron ****** glasses.

[miles berg]

Lol never.

Ever.

[SilkkTheShocker]

:facepalm lebron only won a chip and finals mvp this season because of some miracle bullshit that his teammates did, which he did his best to undo with 3 straight turnovers:roll: thats not greatness to me take off your lebron ****** glasses.

They aren't in the position to win the game without LeBron taking over.

Headband Game :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Le Shaqtus]

2nd best player in history at best.

Which is still awesome.

[Crystallas]

There has to be some type of mental disorder linked to people fixated on debating the ranks of everything.

[SilkkTheShocker]

2nd best player in history at best.

Which is still awesome.


2nd best player at worst. It will be a coin flip by the time they are retired. With LeBron having more overall career accolades.

[SilkkTheShocker]

There has to be some type of mental disorder linked to people fixated on debating the ranks of everything.

Last time I checked this was an NBA forum :confusedshrug:

[poido123]

Last time I checked this was an NBA forum :confusedshrug:

You were bearable when you weren't trolling.

Oh wait..

[K Xerxes]

2nd best player at worst. It will be a coin flip by the time they are retired. With LeBron having more overall career accolades.

Not really. Jordan never quit in a series like LeBron in 2010, nor did he ever lay an egg in a series, let alone against underdogs ala LeBron in 2011.

Never say never, but whatever LeBron does, he will always have those black marks on his resume. 2nd best player of all time is nothing to ashamed about though.

[SilkkTheShocker]

You were bearable when you weren't trolling.

Oh wait..


Is it really trolling in your eyes? Look at what LeBron has done in 10 years. And now look at the NBA now. Which player right now has a chance of giving LeBron a run for him money? I don't see anyone right now. There hasn't been a gap between the best player in the league to the second best since Jordan/2000-2002 Shaq. And right now, I don't see any team in the league stopping him.

[Dagouch]

A long road ahead for Lebron tho.

I don't think He'll beat MJ for the GOAT but Potential top 10 is a very real possiblity. Let's see when his time is over first.

[SilkkTheShocker]

A long road ahead for Lebron tho.

I don't think He'll beat MJ for the GOAT but Potential top 10 is a very real possiblity. Let's see when his time is over first.

He is already top 10.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

"At worst", Lebron retires a top 10 player. Passing Kareem, MJ and Russell is almost out of the question.

[Dagouch]

He is already top 10.

Top ten all time? Just curious how would you rank them? Not a slam but just curious from your point of view.

[SilkkTheShocker]

"At worst", Lebron retires a top 10 player. Passing Kareem, MJ and Russell is almost out of the question.



Bill Russell in today's era: car salesman.

His era can't be taken seriously.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Top ten all time? Just curious how would you rank them? Not a slam but just curious from your point of view.

When you factor in 4 MVPs, 2x Finals MVPs, Scoring Title, Olympics, ROY, etc. you can still name 10 players that were definitely better than LeBron?

[PotOdds]

He's definitely headed towards number 2 but needs to get to 4-6 chips. If say he did 4 chips and had 7 MVPs, yeah he's #2. But if for some freak reason, he had to retire today, you could argue top 10 but there would be debates.

[DMV2]

#2 All-Time isn't out of the question especially if he can get a 4-peat of rings and F-MVPs, along with possibly 1-2 more MVPs.

5-peat puts him at #1 GOAT to me and I'm not even a fan of LeBron. Might even put him at #1 if he gets two 3-peats.

[riseagainst]

the title should be, "At BEST, LeBron Retires As the 2nd Best Player in NBA History."

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

#2 All-Time isn't out of the question especially if he can get a 4-peat of rings and F-MVPs, along with possibly 1-2 more MVPs.

5-peat puts him at #1 GOAT to me and I'm not even a fan of LeBron. Might even put him at #1 if he gets two 3-peats.

None of this is likely.

[sportjames23]

I'm gonna let ya'll fill in the blank:

OP is a _______

[scm5]

Lebron will never match what MJ did. MJ's story reads like the stuff of legends. Lebron's story is just... meh.

[D-Wade316]

#3 at best IMO. Russell and Jordan seems destined to be locked forever at #1-2 until another player comes close to their dominance. Lebron has too many black marks for him to surpass both.

[DMV2]

None of this is likely.
Yeah, I know.

[kNicKz]

:roll:

[kenuffff]

top ten after this year's finals

jordan
magic
kareem
wilt
russell
bird
shaq
kobe
duncan
lebron

[7_cody]

2nd best player at worst. It will be a coin flip by the time they are retired. With LeBron having more overall career accolades.

Does LeBron have a DPOY award? How many FMVPS does he have?

It is very highly unlikely that LeBron will have more career accolades than Jordan. At least the most important ones.

[Le Shaqtus]

2nd best player at worst. It will be a coin flip by the time they are retired. With LeBron having more overall career accolades.

If LeBron carries on his dominance well into his 30's like MJ did while racking up those accolades, I would be inclined to agree with you.

Can he do it though? He's going to be 29 soon, and he has to make sure tailors his game to his age, while still being dominant AND winning. Wade is only getting worse and Bosh isn't the allstar he used to be. They were a shoe in to win in 2013 (Although it was close), I'm not so confident they can pull off a 3 peat.

[kenuffff]

When you factor in 4 MVPs, 2x Finals MVPs, Scoring Title, Olympics, ROY, etc. you can still name 10 players that were definitely better than LeBron?

he is definitely top 10 if he can 3 peat i will put him 3rd or 4th all time after that. If he 4 peats or 5 peats, i think he passes jordan, the only question would be that lebron does not work as hard as jordan had to offensively then play defense, jordan played entire series how lebron played the "headband game" that was not abnormal it was commonplace and expected. I think overall jordan's offensive game was far superior to lebron. lebron will surpass jordan defensively or already has in my opinion but his energy level/work output is maybe 3/4s of mj's.

[7_cody]

If LeBron carries on his dominance well into his 30's like MJ did while racking up those accolades, I would be inclined to agree with you.

Can he do it though? He's going to be 29 soon, and he has to make sure tailors his game to his age, while still being dominant AND winning. Wade is only getting worse and Bosh isn't the allstar he used to be. They were a shoe in to win in 2013 (Although it was close), I'm not so confident they can pull off a 3 peat.

I could be wrong, I often am (and honest enough to admit it), but I just do not see LeBron dominating in his late 30's.

He relies on his athleticism too much. He won't be able to use his size in the post, because, well, he isn't very good in the post. His playmaking will still be good, but he won't be able to break down the defense the same as he does now. Notice I said he won't be able to do it as effectively as he does now.

Kobe, for example, can't break down the defense like he used to. Granted, he is still athletic enough to split a double team, etc, but he can't just beat his man whenever he wants unless he gets a proper angle. He does, however, have every move in the book and a very reliable jumpshot that is hard to defend. Those kinds of skills will make you last longer in the NBA.

[DMV2]

he is definitely top 10 if he can 3 peat i will put him 3rd or 4th all time after that. If he 4 peats or 5 peats, i think he passes jordan, the only question would be that lebron does not work as hard as jordan had to offensively then play defense, jordan played entire series how lebron played the "headband game" that was not abnormal it was commonplace and expected. I think overall jordan's offensive game was far superior to lebron. lebron will surpass jordan defensively or already has in my opinion but his energy level/work output is maybe 3/4s of mj's.
There's no way LeBron can surpass MJ on the defensive end. MJ is argubly the greatest perimeter/man defender ever. He was a better defender than Pippen, that's how great of a defender he was.

[7_cody]

he is definitely top 10 if he can 3 peat i will put him 3rd or 4th all time after that. If he 4 peats or 5 peats, i think he passes jordan, the only question would be that lebron does not work as hard as jordan had to offensively then play defense, jordan played entire series how lebron played the "headband game" that was not abnormal it was commonplace and expected. I think overall jordan's offensive game was far superior to lebron. lebron will surpass jordan defensively or already has in my opinion but his energy level/work output is maybe 3/4s of mj's.

How the hell has LeBron passed Jordan defensively?

Jordan earned his defensive honors (unlike current NBA stars), including a DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR award... yes, a shooting guard won the DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR award.

Read that a couple times.

[kenuffff]

There's no way LeBron can surpass MJ on the defensive end. MJ is argubly the greatest perimeter/man defender ever. He was a better defender than Pippen, that's how great of a defender he was.

bullshit, jordan could not guard almost every position on the floor like lebron. jordan could NOT guard tony parker like lebron did.

[7_cody]

bullshit, jordan could not guard almost every position on the floor like lebron. jordan could NOT guard tony parker like lebron did.

Jordan could guard Tony Parker better than LeBron did. What you meant to say, I think, is that Jordan couldn't guard say a power forward as well as LeBron.

Parker hit a game winning shot right in LeBrons face, for crying out loud.

[DMV2]

bullshit, jordan could not guard almost every position on the floor like lebron. jordan could NOT guard tony parker like lebron did.
LeBron can't guard every position; he does decent job on guards, SF and some PF. He doesn't even play man defend that often anyway. His defend attributions is best as transitional and help defender.

Prime MJ would eat up Parker.

[fpliii]

Not sure about where he'll finish, but I think he's the favorite for DPOY for next year. After what he did in the Finals to everybody when they heated up, I think he'll garner a lot of support going into the season. Noah/Gasol/Sanders (with Healthy Dwight leading the pack) are the class of the league on a game-to-game basis, but LeBron will be in the conversation next season (and rightfully so, IMO).

His defense wasn't as consistent in the regular season this year (particularly the first couple of months), but when he focussed he was even better than 2011-12. I think we'll be seeing a lot more of that going forward.

[fpliii]

LeBron can't guard every position; he does decent job on guards, SF and some PF. He doesn't even play man defend that often anyway. His defend attributions is best as transitional and help defender.

Prime MJ would eat up Parker.

Not a LeBron guy personally, but help defense is probably more important than man D, IMO.

[SilkkTheShocker]

LeBron can't guard every position; he does decent job on guards, SF and some PF. He doesn't even play man defend that often anyway. His defend attributions is best as transitional and help defender.

Prime MJ would eat up Parker.
Lebron did eat up Parker. He shut his ass down the last two games.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Not sure about where he'll finish, but I think he's the favorite for DPOY for next year. After what he did in the Finals to everybody when they heated up, I think he'll garner a lot of support going into the season. Noah/Gasol/Sanders (with Healthy Dwight leading the pack) are the class of the league on a game-to-game basis, but LeBron will be in the conversation next season (and rightfully so, IMO).

His defense wasn't as consistent in the regular season this year (particularly the first couple of months), but when he focussed he was even better than 2011-12. I think we'll be seeing a lot more of that going forward.
Agreed with all this. Let KD have his pity MVP. More interested in seeing him win DPOY

[fpliii]

Agreed with all this. Let KD have his pity MVP. More interested in seeing him win DPOY

He has to win one first obviously, but multiple DPOYs would be very interesting for this conversation (not that they mean all that much given the voting sometimes, but it's a neat accolade). Especially since he started out as a primarily offensive player.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

But I have a feeling its going to be more of a 1A/1B thing with Jordan when all is said and done. LeBron is already a top 10 player ever after 10 seasons. Already has 4 MVPs and counting and is the best player in the league by about 3 miles. Who is going to to stop this Heat team for awhile? San Antonio played almost perfect basketball, hit several shots that looked like they came out of game of HORSE, and they still lost. Who is going to beat this Miami team 4 out of 7 times? Bulls? They couldn't even push the series to 5 games when Miami had no bench in 2011. OKC? No, because they trade superstars for Kevin Martin. Pacers? They got a damn good team, but does George take the next step? I don't think people understand this is just the beginning for the Heat. Once Miami reloads in 2014, its going to add more and more championships. LeBron's list of achievements just keeps growing and growing. I honestly don't see anyone stopping him or the Heat for awhile.

I love seeing posts like this....making a definitive statement about something far into the future. As if it is a fact. ISH....where kids post nonsense.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I love seeing posts like this....making a definitive statement about something far into the future. As if it is a fact. ISH....where kids post nonsense.
Don't get upset. I'm just a prophet for LeGod. Here to spread His word.

[vegasbigshots]

Two .5 rings won't put you in top 2. Top 10-15 at best.

.5 rings in 2011-2012 due to shortened season
.5 rings due to Allen's shot and Manu being the 6th man of the year for the Heats. :lol

[riseagainst]

Two .5 rings won't put you in top 2. Top 10-15 at best.

.5 rings in 2011-2012 due to shortened season
.5 rings due to Allen's shot and Manu being the 6th man of the year for the Heats. :lol

:oldlol: :roll:

[Trollsmasher]

Two .5 rings won't put you in top 2. Top 10-15 at best.

.5 rings in 2011-2012 due to shortened season
.5 rings due to Allen's shot and Manu being the 6th man of the year for the Heats. :lol
I guess Jordan has only 5 rings then:lol

James still needs just 4 more to catch up.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

LeBron can still be the GOAT.

At age 28 :

http://i.minus.com/i9pmA4wBoK8AB.gif

[step_back]

He needs to win another MVP, 4 FMVP, Defensive player of the year and another 4 championships before he is at the same level of accolades as Jordan.

Jordan did that in 13 seasons too.

[riseagainst]

He needs to win another MVP, 4 FMVP, Defensive player of the year and another 4 championships before he is at the same level of accolades as Jordan.

Jordan did that in 13 seasons too.

so basically lebron can't since he's already played 10 seasons. :oldlol:

[Trollsmasher]

He needs to win another MVP, 4 FMVP, Defensive player of the year and another 4 championships before he is at the same level of accolades as Jordan.

Jordan did that in 13 seasons too.
let's punish longetivity:rockon:

[SilkkTheShocker]

He needs to win another MVP, 4 FMVP, Defensive player of the year and another 4 championships before he is at the same level of accolades as Jordan.

Jordan did that in 13 seasons too.

Jordan also being guarded by 6'2/6'3 shooting guards. Impressive :applause:

[riseagainst]

let's punish longetivity:rockon:

10 years = longevity? :roll:

[step_back]

so basically lebron can't since he's already played 10 seasons. :oldlol:

He might have a similar career when it's all said and done but he will take a lot longer doing it. He could already have 4 championships by now if he didn't lose in the finals twice.

[SilkkTheShocker]

10 years = longevity? :roll:

He never said it was, Corky. He implying that you can't fault LeBron if he plays at a high level for more than 13 seasons.

[Bandito]

What is going to be of OP life when Lebron retires?

[step_back]

Jordan also being guarded by 6'2/6'3 shooting guards. Impressive :applause:

New York and Pistons defence was impressive and was much tougher than what todays nancy boy players are used to.

Although you're too young to know that.

[razzredazzre]

nah

[livinglegend]

He s going to surpass MJ, but Russell will be hard to surpass. We ll have to see how he does in the next 2-3 years.

[riseagainst]

Jordan also being guarded by 6'2/6'3 shooting guards. Impressive :applause:

91 finals: Magic guarded him for some time.
92 finals: Clifford Robinson (6-10), Clyde 6-7,
93 finals: Richard Dumas (6-7), Dan Majerle 6-6, Cedric Ceballos 6-6

96 finals: Gary Payton 6-4, but he's one of the greatest perimeter defenders of all time
97 finals: Byron Russell 6-7
98 finals: Byron Russell 6-7

:confusedshrug:

[SilkkTheShocker]

He might have a similar career when it's all said and done but he will take a lot longer doing it. He could already have 4 championships by now if he didn't lose in the finals twice.

Yea, lets fault LeBron for losing in the Finals with the shittiest Finals team in NBA history. :applause: Him taking that team that far in his only his 4th season is amazingly impressive. A Finals team that Sasha Pavlovic started on

[livinglegend]

He needs to win another MVP, 4 FMVP, Defensive player of the year and another 4 championships before he is at the same level of accolades as Jordan.

Jordan did that in 13 seasons too.

Who has more accolades, Jordan or Russell? :oldlol:

[riseagainst]

He never said it was, Corky. He implying that you can't fault LeBron if he plays at a high level for more than 13 seasons.

what does that have anything to do with what he responded to?

MJ got 6 chips by his 13th NBA season, a demonstration of how fast he was able to win championships (roughly once every 2 seasons). Lebron just finished his 10th so he can't get to 6 in 13 seasons. What does longevity have anything to do with this?

nice red herring.
:oldlol:

[riseagainst]

Yea, lets fault LeBron for losing in the Finals with the shittiest Finals team in NBA history. :applause: Him taking that team that far in his only his 4th season is amazingly impressive. A Finals team that Sasha Pavlovic started on

but when you only get 22ppg on 36% FG in the finals with a PER below the league average, it is.

[step_back]

Yea, lets fault LeBron for losing in the Finals with the shittiest Finals team in NBA history. :applause: Him taking that team that far in his only his 4th season is amazingly impressive. A Finals team that Sasha Pavlovic started on

And what about the other time? 2 All stars on his team = no excuses

[SilkkTheShocker]

but when you only get 22ppg on 36% FG in the finals with a PER below the league average, it is.

Fault how he played. But you can replace LeBron with prime LeBron, prime Shaq, whomever, and they still aren't winning with that team. Not excusing his bad play. But no team will championships with that team. No one.

[SilkkTheShocker]

And what about the other time? 2 All stars on his team = no excuses

So are you saying LeBron had enough to beat the Spurs in 07? Because if you are let me know so I can stop taking you serious.

[step_back]

So are you saying LeBron had enough to beat the Spurs in 07? Because if you are let me know so I can stop taking you serious.

Against the Mavs you ****ing retard:facepalm

[riseagainst]

Fault how he played. But you can replace LeBron with prime LeBron, prime Shaq, whomever, and they still aren't winning with that team. Not excusing his bad play. But no team will championships with that team. No one.

yet you lebron stans are discrediting MJ for losing in the first round with a similarly bad roster and he faced against the Celtics of the 80s.
Stop being a hypocrite.

[Trollsmasher]

91 finals: Magic guarded him for some time.
92 finals: Clifford Robinson (6-10), Clyde 6-7,
93 finals: Richard Dumas (6-7), Dan Majerle 6-6, Cedric Ceballos 6-6

96 finals: Gary Payton 6-4, but he's one of the greatest perimeter defenders of all time
97 finals: Byron Russell 6-7
98 finals: Byron Russell 6-7

:confusedshrug:
what a defensive cast:applause:

[SilkkTheShocker]

yet you lebron stans are discrediting MJ for losing in the first round with a similarly bad roster and he faced against the Celtics of the 80s.
Stop being a hypocrite.

Yea, we should just forget how Jordan didn't win anything until Detroit, Boston, and LA all got old. :oldlol: His big competition in the East was a Knicks team whose 2nd best scorer was bagging groceries not long before and an Indy team whose best player was a watered down Ray Allen.

[kenuffff]

LeBron can't guard every position; he does decent job on guards, SF and some PF. He doesn't even play man defend that often anyway. His defend attributions is best as transitional and help defender.

Prime MJ would eat up Parker.

lebron with 90s defensive rules would be more effective than MJ

[riseagainst]

what a defensive cast:applause:

and who exactly did Lebron face in his matchup?
:oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

what a defensive cast:applause:

Yea, none of these Finals teams are impressive at all.

Lakers - Old and injured
Portland- Notorious for being a low IQ team that shit the bed when things got tough
Suns - crap centers
Sonics- No arguments, a good team. But their MVP was Rodman that series.
Jazz- 4th best player was Russell and their bench was nothing special.

Scary :eek:

[miles berg]

LeBron has a real shot at top 10 all time.

[guy]

Yea, we should just forget how Jordan didn't win anything until Detroit, Boston, and LA all got old. :oldlol: His big competition in the East was a Knicks team whose 2nd best scorer was bagging groceries not long before and an Indy team whose best player was a watered down Ray Allen.

Its going to be funny in 10 years or so when everyone says Lebron couldn't win anything until the Lakers, Celtics, Mavs, and Spurs got old, his biggest competition in the East was a star-less and bench-less Pacers, and on top of that he had to join a superteam to win. Funny how misleading and overblown things get as time goes by :oldlol: .

[Trollsmasher]

and who exactly did Lebron face in his matchup?
:oldlol:
Butler, George and Leonard are all better defenders than those listed for MJ, except for Payton.

Hell, maybe even Mbah a Moute.

And don't even let me talk about secondary defense of those teams :roll:

[tpols]

Nah.. I'd say he finishes 4-5.

MJ
Russell
Kareem

Will always be ahead..

[SilkkTheShocker]

lebron with 90s defensive rules would be more effective than MJ


Disagree. There is no way LeBron could dominate against Craig Ehlo, John Starks, and Danny Ainge. Those guys would have been perennial all-stars in today's league.

[tpols]

Butler, George and Leonard are all better defenders than those listed for MJ, except for Payton.

Hell, maybe even Mbah a Moute.
There's zero chance you ever saw any of those 90s guys play defense. :oldlol:

This shit sucks

[SilkkTheShocker]

Its going to be funny in 10 years or so when everyone says Lebron couldn't win anything until the Lakers, Celtics, Mavs, and Spurs got old, his biggest competition in the East was a star-less and bench-less Pacers, and on top of that he had to join a superteam to win. Funny how misleading and overblown things get as time goes by :oldlol: .

A super team whose 2nd and 3rd best players average 15 and 12 points respectively in the playoffs. Pippen and Grant contributed wayyyyy more than that. Super team my ass :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Butler, George and Leonard are all better defenders than those listed for MJ, except for Payton.

Hell, maybe even Mbah a Moute.

Location: Europe
Age: 20

Stay in your lane, young foreigner. :oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Butler, George and Leonard are all better defenders than those listed for MJ, except for Payton.

Hell, maybe even Mbah a Moute.

Moute would easily be the 2nd best perimeter defender in the 90s after Pippen

[SilkkTheShocker]

The Heat are soooo stacked all LeBron has to do is carry the scoring load, do all the playmaking, and guard the opposing team's best player. Aside from that, its smooth sailing :oldlol:

[Trollsmasher]

But I'm only stating what's in your profile, young foreigner.
It seems you are old enough to see things:lol

[Trollsmasher]

:mad:
It seems you are mad at yourself:lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It seems you are mad at yourself:lol

Why did you change your profile settings? lmfao!!

[WayOfWade]

Nah, I'd say #1 all time would be worse for most Kobe/Jordan fans.

[Trollsmasher]

Why did you change your profile settings? lmfao!!
I have no idea what you are talking about. First you make up stuff and then you accuse me of something I have no idea how to even do:confusedshrug:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I have no idea what you are talking about. First you make up stuff and then you accuse me of something I have no idea how to even do:confusedshrug:

"Young foreigner" is desperate after I completely BLASTED him. LOL!! Checkmate!

[Trollsmasher]

"Young foreigner" is desperate after I completely BLASTED him. LOL!! Checkmate!
I am desperate? You are the one who is seeing something nobody else saw:lol

I don't even know why did you make that up without having a proof. If you were speaking truth, you would have a printscreen at least:confusedshrug:

[Trollsmasher]

:mad:
This guy is mad.

Let's move back to the original point of discussion.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This guy is mad.

Let's move back to the original point of discussion.

What ya gonna do about it?? I BOSSED you biyatch! :banana:

[Trollsmasher]

What ya gonna do about it?? I BOSSED you biyatch! :banana:
Location: China
Age: 14

I can make up stuff too. Does this mean that I bossed you?:lol

Also stop running away from the OP.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Location: China
Age: 14

I can make up stuff too. Does this mean that I bossed you?:lol

Also stop running away from the OP.

Young foreigner, you hid your profile age, were caught doing so, and then ask for proof? Lmfao!!!!!! EPIC FAIL!! I won! What ya gonna do about it? :oldlol:

[Bandito]

Location: China
Age: 14

I can make up stuff too. Does this mean that I bossed you?:lol

Also stop running away from the OP.
For a trollsmasher you sure troll a lot. And fail at it too. Your life is so pathetic...

[Trollsmasher]

Young foreigner, you hid your profile age, were caught doing so, and then ask for proof? Lmfao!!!!!! EPIC FAIL!! I won! What ya gonna do about it? :oldlol:
The only one thinking this is you. I am starting to be convinced that you are paranoid:lol

No proof, no witnesses... just stop it.

For a trollsmasher you sure troll a lot. And fail at it too. Your life is so pathetic...
How is that trolling? I am just defending myself from some paranoid guy.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The only one thinking this is you. I am starting to be convinced that you are paranoid:lol

No proof, no witnesses... just stop it.

Young foreigner: "I hid my profile age after you owned me. Now prove I did it." LOL!!!!! WHAT?!?! That's called slipping up! Gotcha bitch! :pimp:

[Trollsmasher]

Young foreigner: "I hid my profile age after you owned me. Now prove I did it." LOL!!!!! WHAT?!?! That's called slipping up! Gotcha bitch! :pimp:
And I am asking again: How did you own me, young foreigner?

I am getting tired of this nonsense.

[Fudge]

Young foreignerrrrrrr

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

And I am asking again: How did you own me, young foreigner?

I am getting tired of this nonsense.

You sound displeased. Apologies for destroying you. :cheers:

[Fudge]

Why'd you have to start trolling again Silkk. :oldlol: You were actually bearable and, as hard as it is to admit, a good poster ever since you've been unbanned.

The answer is no. At best, he could hit 2. He'll always be behind Jordan.

[sportjames23]

Jordan also being guarded by 6'2/6'3 shooting guards. Impressive :applause:

You lying sack of shit.

Oh, and Bron was put in check by a fat, out of shape PF.

[Fudge]

In other news, Trollsmasher getting destroyed tho.

[Trollsmasher]

In other news, Trollsmasher getting destroyed tho.
Will you be the one who actually tells me how?:lol

[Legends66NBA7]

Casual fans consider him Top 3-5 already. Who knows how high they will rank James if he continues to win.


I have no idea what you are talking about.

Man, I just seen you modifying your profile. This isn't part of the discussion, but quit lying.

[Fudge]

Gettttttin destroyed tho.

[LA Lakers]

He's in that discussion with Magic, Bird, Oscar, Jerry West, Kobe and Dr. J. Will he pass those guys? Tough to say. Lebron is Lebron. We never seen anything like him. But we also never seen anything like those other guys I just named. I don't know if he'll ever be considered better than Kareem, Magic, Wilt, Russell and Jordan... But then again, as more time passes, more fans who didn't watch these greats play or as younger players come along, a lot of history and great NBA moments may be forgotten. Too me, Lebron is a bigger stronger faster blacker Larry Bird. But how many people in 20 or 30 years, when we start putting Lebrons career in perspective with other hall of famers, will actually have been around to have the knowledge to compare him with others? We'll just have numbers guys who cant determine how many impactful moments aren't covered by pure numbers and kids on internet forums running their fool moths about a sport whose history they don't understand or value or put in perspective. Anyway, let's all appreciate greatness and game while its here.

[Trollsmasher]

Casual fans consider him Top 3-5 already. Who knows how high they will rank James if he continues to win.



Man, I just seen you modifying your profile. This isn't part of the discussion, but quit lying.
Yeah, edited it few minutes ago.

I put in my job, did know there was an option in the settings:lol

To the OP: I don't see many people having him so high. He does not really belong to top 5.

[LA_Showtime]

I actually think LeBron leaving Miami would be best for his legacy. Sure, he could win 4 or 5 titles in Miami and plant himself firmly in the top five, but if he leaves for another city he'll have a better shot at winning MVP's, losing and regaining public support, etc. It'd be a tricky game to play because he'd obviously lose a lot of the goodwill he's built up over the last year by going to another team, but I think in the long run it would help his image and let's face it, our society loves new stimuli. It would be crazy to see LeBron in a Lakers or Cavaliers jersey.

[Legends66NBA7]

Yeah, edited it few minutes ago.

I put in my job, did know there was an option in the settings:lol

It's all good.

[riseagainst]

dam.. TrollSmasher getting destroyed. :oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Why'd you have to start trolling again Silkk. :oldlol: You were actually bearable and, as hard as it is to admit, a good poster ever since you've been unbanned.

The answer is no. At best, he could hit 2. He'll always be behind Jordan.


:applause:

[TheGreatDeraj]

At worse?

So you're saying you have him at #2 right now? Cause Worst case scenario is he gets injured and never plays again or never gets close to what he is now.

IMO he is not in the top 10 yet he is below Hakeem.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Trollmasher taking it worse than a Tijuana donkey show girl :oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

At worse?

So you're saying you have him at #2 right now? Cause Worst case scenario is he gets injured and never plays again or never gets close to what he is now.

IMO he is not in the top 10 yet he is below Hakeem.


Agreed. Hakeem's 8 first round exits :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[PJR]

I actually think LeBron leaving Miami would be best for his legacy. Sure, he could win 4 or 5 titles in Miami and plant himself firmly in the top five, but if he leaves for another city he'll have a better shot at winning MVP's, losing and regaining public support, etc. It'd be a tricky game to play because he'd obviously lose a lot of the goodwill he's built up over the last year by going to another team, but I think in the long run it would help his image and let's face it, our society loves new stimuli. It would be crazy to see LeBron in a Lakers or Cavaliers jersey.

This is the stupidest shit I've ever heard.

[SilkkTheShocker]

You lying sack of shit.

Oh, and Bron was put in check by a fat, out of shape PF.

Yea, Diaw was no LaBradford Smith :oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

I actually think LeBron leaving Miami would be best for his legacy. Sure, he could win 4 or 5 titles in Miami and plant himself firmly in the top five, but if he leaves for another city he'll have a better shot at winning MVP's, losing and regaining public support, etc. It'd be a tricky game to play because he'd obviously lose a lot of the goodwill he's built up over the last year by going to another team, but I think in the long run it would help his image and let's face it, our society loves new stimuli. It would be crazy to see LeBron in a Lakers or Cavaliers jersey.

Yea, it makes way more sense to go back to Cleveland and not win titles.

[Trollsmasher]

Trollmasher taking it worse than a Tijuana donkey show girl :oldlol:
You would know that feels :lol

[kenuffff]

Disagree. There is no way LeBron could dominate against Craig Ehlo, John Starks, and Danny Ainge. Those guys would have been perennial all-stars in today's league.

i mean defensively

[LBJ 23]

I actually think LeBron leaving Miami would be best for his legacy. Sure, he could win 4 or 5 titles in Miami and plant himself firmly in the top five, but if he leaves for another city he'll have a better shot at winning MVP's, losing and regaining public support, etc. It'd be a tricky game to play because he'd obviously lose a lot of the goodwill he's built up over the last year by going to another team, but I think in the long run it would help his image and let's face it, our society loves new stimuli. It would be crazy to see LeBron in a Lakers or Cavaliers jersey.


By doing that it would take him around 2-3 years to pull together all the strings and be as connected to his teammates as he is now in Miami. He would be out of his absolute prime by then. Not a very good idea.

[guy]

A super team whose 2nd and 3rd best players average 15 and 12 points respectively in the playoffs. Pippen and Grant contributed wayyyyy more than that. Super team my ass :oldlol:

Whether its true or not, it doesn't matter cause thats what the narrative will be. No one will care that Wade and Bosh only averaged 16 and 12 in the playoffs. What will stick out to them more will be that Wade was a FMVP and champion before Lebron ever was, a top 20-30 player of all-time and first-ballot HOFer, and Bosh is at least an 8-time all-star. Like it or not, it will be the overblown narrative, along with the narrative that Lebron had to wait for Kobe and the Lakers to get old, had to wait for the Mavs to get old and break up, couldn't beat the Celtics and their big 3 until they got old and were like 34-35 years old, and couldn't beat the Spurs until they got old and two of their big 3 were like 35-37 years old. Its going to happen. Of course, that narrative and its impact on his legacy will pale into comparison to the narrative of him having the biggest shit-the-bed/shrinkage moment in NBA history in the 2011 Finals, which isn't just a narrative but also the truth.

[Indian guy]

Whether its true or not, it doesn't matter cause thats what the narrative will be.

The narrative isn't that now, so why exactly will it be then?


No one will care that Wade and Bosh only averaged 16 and 12 in the playoffs.

Huh? Everybody cares about that now, so why will things suddenly change? People have something called memories and access to a thing called the internet. Wade and Bosh's sub-par postseason runs are not only common knowledge, but easily accessible too. This won't just be ignored.


What will stick out to them more will be that Wade was a FMVP and champion before Lebron ever was

Actually, what will stick out more is that Wade hadn't made it past the 1st round for 4 straight years prior to teaming up with LeBron. You know what will stick it out even more? LeBron winning 2 near-unanimous MVPs with "2 superstars" as his teammates. Nobody's going to give a **** about who his teammates were when his own play and accolades were that dominant. Just like nobody gives a **** now. There's no "narrative" right now about LeBron having special help. The prevailing consensus, not to mention actual statistical data, is that the Miami Heat were no "super team", and that LeBron was carrying them for much of their 2 postseason runs. That's the narrative.


Like it or not, it will be the overblown narrative

Again, the narrative isn't that now, so why the **** will it be so in the future? Will people just become stupid like you, and ignore the fact that Wade and Bosh hadn't accomplished jack for years prior to teaming up with LeBron, had subpar postseason runs to put it mildly, and despite their presence, LeBron still won near-unanimous back-to-back MVPs, not to mention Finals MVPs? Wade and Bosh couldn't be more irrelevant to LeBron's future legacy. Just like they aren't right now.


along with the narrative that Lebron had to wait for Kobe and the Lakers to get old, had to wait for the Mavs to get old and break up, couldn't beat the Celtics and their big 3 until they got old and were like 34-35 years old, and couldn't beat the Spurs until they got old and two of their big 3 were like 35-37 years old.

Again, dumbass, the narrative isn't that now, so why the **** will things be different in the future? I'm yet to hear anyone talk about what you just said.

Do you see anyone talking about how MJ couldn't win championships until the Celtics, Lakers and Pistons got old? Franchises/teams that were far more dominant in their era than the teams you listed? I mean, the 1-title Celtics and Mavs? :oldlol:. Could you be grasping at straws any more? If anything, LeBron's legacy will be boasted by beating the game's 2nd most dominant trio in Durant-Westbrook-Harden for his 1st title, and the dynasty-Spurs for his 2nd title. He beat big-names and franchises for his rings. Nobody's going to forget that.

[Fudge]

Word of the day: narrative



Indian Guy, aren't/weren't you a Bulls fan? What made you become a Heat fan? Just curious.

[imdaman99]

at worst? look at this troll. non-stop troll threads :facepalm

at BEST, he could finish 2nd. he cannot touch MJ and his 6-0 record in the finals. get lost, and stay in school.

[Jacks3]

Spurs are a dynasty now? :lol

[Indian guy]

Word of the day: narrative



Indian Guy, aren't/weren't you a Bulls fan? What made you become a Heat fan? Just curious.

LeBron fan, not a Heat fan. And it's something I've always been no matter how badly I've rooted for the Bulls.

[TheGreatDeraj]

Agreed. Hakeem's 8 first round exits :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Sure, that is definitely a knock on Hakeem. I don't really hold it against him because his team wasn't good enough imo to win a title or advance deep. Do we hold Jordans loses in the 80's against him? Is it rational to hold Kobe's loses in 06, 07 against him? I'm sure you don't hold it against lebron when he didn't even make the playoffs his first two years(Hakeem did) and lost in the second round his 3rd.

First round series were best of 5. He lost in the first round 4 years in a row from 88-91 .

I'm not a huge stat guy, but in 1988 when Hakeem lost to Mavericks 3-1 he averaged 37.5 points 16.8 rebounds 1.8 assists 2.8 blocks 2.3 steals. Those are some INSANE numbers.

http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a488/Lakersfan424/basketball/rockets88_PO_zps8060d8b0.png

In 89 the Supersonics held him to only 25.3 points 13 rebounds 3 assists 2.8 blocks and 2.5 steals.

http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a488/Lakersfan424/basketball/rockets89_PO_zps86d710af.png

Hakeem did play poorly(according to raw stats) against my Lakers in 90 averaging only 18.5 points 11.5 rebounds 2 assist 5.8 blocks(wow) and 2.5 steals

http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a488/Lakersfan424/basketball/rockets90_PO_zps1c0227e3.png

in 91 he got swept by the WC champs my Lakers and he averaged 22 points 14.7 rebounds 2 assists 2.7 blocks and 1.3 steals.

http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a488/Lakersfan424/basketball/rockets91_PO_zpsbb79c772.png

He had some great perfromances in those first round loses and some poor perfromances (by his standards), but in which of those years do you really think it was his fault they lost?

I can point to several years in LBJ careers where he "quit" or played so poorly that he cost them a title. Can you do this for Hakeem?

In 2010 he quit against the Celtics and IMO it was because he wanted out of Cleveland but even he wouldn't be able to justify leaving after bringing his team to the finals and perhaps even beating the Lakers.

In 2011 he played so passively and shook that he cost himself a 3 peat. Perhaps he will get it next year, but if he doesn't 2011 will be the biggest disappointment of all because not many people have EVER threepeated...

In 2007 he played great to get them to the finals but completely lost it when SA took away the paint. Clevelands defense and rebounding was good enough to win the series. Most of the games were close and decided by a few baskets, but LBJ couldn't hit a jumper and couldn't close a game.

I have Hakeem over LBJ for now because they both have 2 titles and because I think Hakeems Elite post game and Elite rim protection and rebounding is better than what Lebron has to offer.

I don't think Lebron wins 4 MVPs if he is drafted in 85 like Hakeem and he competes against Magic, Bird, Jordan.

I don't put too much weight into MVPs anyways with players like Malone winning over Jordan, Nash over Kobe, Drose over Lebron anyways.

For my rankings it is a combination of how good of a basketball player you are with how many championships you win. I don't put much weight into loses when your team really didn't have a chance to win.

[Fudge]

Sure, that is definitely a knock on Hakeem. I don't really hold it against him because his team wasn't good enough imo to win a title or advance deep. Do we hold Jordans loses in the 80's against him? Is it rational to hold Kobe's loses in 06, 07 against him? I'm sure you don't hold it against lebron when he didn't even make the playoffs his first two years(Hakeem did) and lost in the second round his 3rd.

First round series were best of 5. He lost in the first round 4 years in a row from 88-91 .

I'm not a huge stat guy, but in 1988 when Hakeem lost to Mavericks 3-1 he averaged 37.5 points 16.8 rebounds 1.8 assists 2.8 blocks 2.3 steals. Those are some INSANE numbers.

http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a488/Lakersfan424/basketball/rockets88_PO_zps8060d8b0.png

In 89 the Supersonics held him to only 24.8 points 13.5 rebounds 1.8 assists 3.4 blocks and 2.6 steals.

http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a488/Lakersfan424/basketball/rockets89_PO_zpsbc41bd4f.png

Hakeem did play poorly(according to raw stats) against my Lakers in 90 averaging only 18.5 points 11.5 rebounds 2 assist 5.8 blocks(wow) and 2.5 steals

http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a488/Lakersfan424/basketball/rockets90_PO_zps1c0227e3.png

in 91 he got swept by the WC champs my Lakers and he averaged 22 points 14.7 rebounds 2 assists 2.7 blocks and 1.3 steals.

http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a488/Lakersfan424/basketball/rockets91_PO_zpsbb79c772.png

He had some great perfromances in those first round loses and some poor perfromances (by his standards), but in which of those years do you really think it was his fault they lost?

I can point to several years in LBJ careers where he "quit" or played so poorly that he cost them a title. Can you do this for Hakeem?

In 2010 he quit against the Celtics and IMO it was because he wanted out of Cleveland but even he wouldn't be able to justify leaving after bringing his team to the finals and perhaps even beating the Lakers.

In 2011 he played so passively and shook that he cost himself a 3 peat. Perhaps he will get it next year, but if he doesn't 2011 will be the biggest disappointment of all because not many people have EVER threepeated...

In 2007 he played great to get them to the finals but completely lost it when SA took away the paint. Clevelands defense and rebounding was good enough to win the series. Most of the games were close and decided by a few baskets, but LBJ couldn't hit a jumper and couldn't close a game.

I have Hakeem over LBJ for now because they both have 2 titles and because I think Hakeems Elite post game and Elite rim protection and rebounding is better than what Lebron has to offer.

I don't think Lebron wins 4 MVPs if he is drafted in 85 like Hakeem and he competes against Magic, Bird, Jordan.

I don't put too much weight into MVPs anyways with players like Malone winning over Jordan, Nash over Kobe, Drose over Lebron anyways.

For my rankings it is a combination of how good of a basketball player you are with how many championships you win. I don't put much weight into loses when your team really didn't have a chance to win.
2nd screenshot were his season stats.

[guy]

The narrative isn't that now, so why exactly will it be then?



Huh? Everybody cares about that now, so why will things suddenly change? People have something called memories and access to a thing called the internet. Wade and Bosh's sub-par postseason runs are not only common knowledge, but easily accessible too. This won't just be ignored.



Actually, what will stick out more is that Wade hadn't made it past the 1st round for 4 straight years prior to teaming up with LeBron. You know what will stick it out even more? LeBron winning 2 near-unanimous MVPs with "2 superstars" as his teammates. Nobody's going to give a **** about who his teammates were when his own play and accolades were that dominant. Just like nobody gives a **** now. There's no "narrative" right now about LeBron having special help. The prevailing consensus, not to mention actual statistical data, is that the Miami Heat were no "super team", and that LeBron was carrying them for much of their 2 postseason runs. That's the narrative.



Again, the narrative isn't that now, so why the **** will it be so in the future? Will people just become stupid like you, and ignore the fact that Wade and Bosh hadn't accomplished jack for years prior to teaming up with LeBron, had subpar postseason runs to put it mildly, and despite their presence, LeBron still won near-unanimous back-to-back MVPs, not to mention Finals MVPs? Wade and Bosh couldn't be more irrelevant to LeBron's future legacy. Just like they aren't right now.



Again, dumbass, the narrative isn't that now, so why the **** will things be different in the future? I'm yet to hear anyone talk about what you just said.

Do you see anyone talking about how MJ couldn't win championships until the Celtics, Lakers and Pistons got old? Franchises/teams that were far more dominant in their era than the teams you listed? I mean, the 1-title Celtics and Mavs? :oldlol:. Could you be grasping at straws any more? If anything, LeBron's legacy will be boasted by beating the game's 2nd most dominant trio in Durant-Westbrook-Harden for his 1st title, and the dynasty-Spurs for his 2nd title. He beat big-names and franchises for his rings. Nobody's going to forget that.


Ummm, all the Jordan detractors bring up exactly the bolded. We aren't talking about "NOW". The perception back then about certain details about Jordan and the Bulls dynasty isn't the same as it is now, 15-20 years later, just like the perception 15-20 years from now about Lebron and the Heat won't be the same as it is today, specifically from Lebron detractors. So DUMBASS, you get that? Were you even following the discussion and able to understand? Obviously you weren't, so shut the **** up and put on your Lebron headband you fake Bulls fan.

[TheGreatDeraj]

2nd screenshot were his season stats.

thanks fixed i knew something wasn't right:cheers:

[2010splash]

Of course. I don't know how people can deny this obvious fact at this point. But you have several idiots who think he's just barely in the top 10 now with guys like Hakeem, Kobe and Bird.:oldlol:

He will finish no worse than #2 or 1b. all time. Nobody will be closer to Jordan than LeBron (until 2050 and beyond of course).

[SilkkTheShocker]

Of course. I don't know how people can deny this obvious fact at this point. But you have several idiots who think he's just barely in the top 10 now with guys like Hakeem, Kobe and Bird.:oldlol:

He will finish no worse than #2 or 1b. all time. Nobody will be closer to Jordan than LeBron (until 2050 and beyond of course).

This. I always have to laugh at these people still trying to put LeBron behind inferior players like Kobe, Chamberlain, Russell, Hakeem, etc. Its a ****ing joke and shouldn't be taken seriously :oldlol:

[2010splash]

By 2015 or so:

Tier 1: Jordan, LeBron

Tier 2: Wilt/Kareem/Russell

Tier 3: Shaq/Duncan/Magic/Bird

Tier 4: Kobe, Hakeem

[2010splash]

This. I always have to laugh at these people still trying to put LeBron behind inferior players like Kobe, Chamberlain, Russell, Hakeem, etc. Its a ****ing joke and shouldn't be taken seriously :oldlol:
It's hysterical. These idiots contradict themselves over and over again.

If you ask them why Wilt (4x MVP and 2x Finals MVP) is ahead of LeBron, they'll say "dominance, stats, etc". They can't point to winning because he never won more.

Then when you ask them why Hakeem, Kobe and Bird are ahead of LeBron when you use the same "dominance, stats" argument, they'll say "championshipz!!!" :roll:

[Le Shaqtus]

By 2015 or so:

Tier 1: Jordan, LeBron

Tier 2: Wilt/Kareem/Russell

Tier 3: Shaq/Duncan/Magic/Bird

Tier 4: Kobe, Hakeem

:facepalm Bird and Magic tier 3, what an idiot.

[longtime lurker]

The better question is why does OP care where Lebron ends up being ranked all time. It literally doesn't effect you. Is your life that sad that you look to other people's accomplishments for happiness?

[imdaman99]

The better question is why does OP care where Lebron ends up being ranked all time. It literally doesn't effect you. Is your life that sad that you look to other people's accomplishments for happiness?
he spends hours every day to bring down other players so that he may prop up lebron. lebron and his competition is his obsession. everyone has hobbies. his hobby is swallowing lebron. whats the difference between him and pauk? :confusedshrug:

i say, let them swallow lebron. its a free country :rockon:

[riseagainst]

yep.

[n00bie]

:sleeping

[crisoner]

SMH....

Then again saw who the OP is. TROLL THREAD!@!!!!

[branslowski]

By 2015 or so:

Tier 1: Jordan, LeBron

Tier 2: Wilt/Kareem/Russell

Tier 3: Shaq/Duncan/Magic/Bird

Tier 4: Kobe, Hakeem

Notsureifserious or legally retarded....:facepalm

[DJ Leon Smith]

But I have a feeling its going to be more of a 1A/1B thing with Jordan when all is said and done. LeBron is already a top 10 player ever after 10 seasons. Already has 4 MVPs and counting and is the best player in the league by about 3 miles. Who is going to to stop this Heat team for awhile? San Antonio played almost perfect basketball, hit several shots that looked like they came out of game of HORSE, and they still lost. Who is going to beat this Miami team 4 out of 7 times? Bulls? They couldn't even push the series to 5 games when Miami had no bench in 2011. OKC? No, because they trade superstars for Kevin Martin. Pacers? They got a damn good team, but does George take the next step? I don't think people understand this is just the beginning for the Heat. Once Miami reloads in 2014, its going to add more and more championships. LeBron's list of achievements just keeps growing and growing. I honestly don't see anyone stopping him or the Heat for awhile.

Name one other GOAT candidate who was outscored by an opposition bench played in the NBA Finals and we can talk.

Until then, Jeff, mods, your forum sucks balls.

[DJ Leon Smith]

Any GOAT candidates who were outscored by a Jason Terry-level player in the NBA Finals?

I'm waiting for your response. Thank you.

[2010splash]

Notsureifserious or legally retarded....:facepalm
Serious. It's the truth son. No need to deny it. Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Kobe, Kareem and Russell were all great players in their own right, but all of them were clearly inferior to LeBron. You'd have to be literally blind to not believe LeBron is on pace to finish #2 all-time at worst.

4 MVP's and 2 straight Finals MVP's at just age 28. And that was with wasting his first 7 seasons on a Cleveland team loaded with turds. F outta here with this Kareem/Russell/Wilt > LeBron nonsense. Maybe in terms of career accomplishments, but they weren't better players. Besides Jordan, I'm inclined to say that nobody has been better than LeBron. And even with Jordan, it's pretty close.

[Kurosawa0]

I really think, for me anyway, the highest he can get is #3 on my list. Right now I have him at #7 behind, MJ, Russell, Kareem, Magic, Bird and Duncan. I can see him passing all of those guys except MJ and Russell.

[Segatti]

At worse Lebron is dying at this very moment. He'll be the 2nd best then?

[Magic 32]

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[PickernRoller]

A lot of fighting among the LBJ ranks.

What a worthless thread.

[LA Lakers]

et the **** outta here. Kareem/Lew Alcindor was an athletic freak. He dropped 50 on guys like Bill Walton fresh outta college. Won league MVPs 11 years apart. 6 time NBA champion. ALL TIME NBA LEADING SCORER. Don't give me this Kareem inferior shit. Created not only his own patented move, but the most unguardable shot in the history of the game. Fact. Have some respect.

[che guevara]

et the **** outta here. Kareem/Lew Alcindor was an athletic freak. He dropped 50 on guys like Bill Walton fresh outta college. Won league MVPs 11 years apart. 6 time NBA champion. ALL TIME NBA LEADING SCORER. Don't give me this Kareem inferior shit. Created not only his own patented move, but the most unguardable shot in the history of the game. Fact. Have some respect.
dafuq? Kareem was in his 6th season and 27-28 years old when Walton entered the NBA. And yeah, he won 6 rings, but he was a role player who couldn't rebound for shit for the last 2.

[TheReal Kendall]

This thread sucks!

That is all

[LA Lakers]

Exactly, when Walton was at UCLA and big time for his championship year in Portland he was one of the 3 greatest centers to ever play the game. Real talk. Put Bill Walton or Kareem on a contending team in the East like Indiana right now and see what happens. All the Dwight Howards and Roy Hibberts and all these other big men would be eaten alive. Whats a Lebrons answer for a guy who is over 7 feet tall and at least a foot or two wingspan differential and whose gonna get at least half of the other teams offensive rebounds, 5 blocks, some crazy outlet passes and still give his team 30 or 40 points guaranteed for 7 straight games?

[LA Lakers]

did I mention these guys did something unheard of- playing with their backs to the basket? Yeah. This thread sucks. Lebron is amazing. Just no need to build him up by tearing down other hall of fame all time greats. Can't you appreciate individual greatness? Kareem Kareem. Jordan is Jordan. Lebron Lebron. Anyway. My two cents. Peace.

[TonyMontana]

LeBron = best non 7 footer of all-time

Only Bird can compare

[Fudge]

http://i53.tinypic.com/t65p5g.gif
:roll: :roll:

BEST GIF EVER.

[TheWalkman]

At Best, LeBron Retires As the 2nd Best Player in NBA History

Fixed for ya

[funnystuff]

Fixed for ya
Must be mad Lebron already passed Kobe. :lol

[Bandito]

Must be mad Lebron already passed Kobe. :lol
Well Kobe follows the law, is not his fault Lebron is a reckless driver.

[Graviton]

Top 15 at best.

[Take Your Lumps]

Lebron is good but he's no MJ, that much has been made exceedingly clear time and time again. You can't allow a team to come in and ream you two games in a row at home in the Finals...it's pathetic.

Better luck next year on an even more stacked team.

[Eye Test]

this bump

http://thegrio.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/michael-jordan-laughs.gif

[dannywpt]

This thread is blasphemy and OP should be banned

[Graviton]

Jinxed it so hard. :oldlol:

[Graviton]

2/5 2nd GOAT? :lol