Kobe to Dwight: let me teach you how to be a champ

[MJ(Mean John)]

From WOJ


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--kobe-bryant-challenges-dwight-howard-in-meeting-211443923.html




Bryant didn't come to Howard's recruitment meeting in Beverly Hills to appease him, but to challenge Howard to stay and embrace the burden of the franchise's culture and embrace Bryant's demanding disposition. Bryant invoked Michael Jordan's hard-driving ways as his blueprint, and how it pushed the Chicago Bulls to six titles.

We're fu.cked. Lol

Kobe intimidates this little kid

[2swift4u]

well Kobe has a point... Dwight needs to learn how to play like a champion (don't know if one can learn that though). He's kinda waisting his talent...

[R.I.P.]

One conspiracy theory that won

[ispin69]

And the career MJ imitator gets his last words in. :banana:

[Haymaker]

Well Kobe, you've just officially run Howard off the Lakers, congratulations. :cheers:

[TonyMontana]

Dwights Reaction as Kobes saying this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UUBBVvfBUcM/T1t8Zi673mI/AAAAAAAAA0c/uEdZ-PA4IpI/s1600/homer-simpson-bush-gif.gif

Noone wants to play with some arrogant douche with an over-inflated sense of entitlement

[ispin69]

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2/hjgo.png

[jzek]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]One conspiracy theory that won

[Young X]

I like Kobe's attitude, but he doesn't realize how mentally weak Dwight is. This would work for any other star but Dwight. All he's doing is scaring him away.

[Electric Slide]

Dwight's meeting with the Lakers


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[LosScandalous]

Hats off to Mamba for telling Dwight what he needs to hear rather than sucking his d to stay in LA.

[SCdac]

In other words, "just sit back and watch me do my thing, you'll become a winner by watching me win".

Or in Kobe's own words, "Instead of trying to do things your way, just listen and learn and tweak it, so it fits you".

Dwight, to me, seems reluctant to be taken under Kobe's wing and I don't blame him. Egobe wants all the glory.

[Bandito]

And just like that the Rockets won the FA war. Congrats.

[Bigsmoke]

the coaches can just teach Dwight how to become one. "Kevin McHale"

[LosScandalous]

And just like that the Rockets won the FA war. Congrats.

If they won the war all because Dwight took Kobe's comment like a sensitive little girl. They can have him.

[christian1923]

If kobe tells you to play on his team. You listen :bowdown:

[caliman]

Hats off to Mamba for telling Dwight what he needs to hear rather than sucking his d to stay in LA.


Exactly

[SpecialQue]

Judging from what we've seen of Dwight's personality, he probably took offense to that and will storm off to the Rockets like the emotional child he is.

[crisoner]

Dwights Reaction as Kobes saying this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UUBBVvfBUcM/T1t8Zi673mI/AAAAAAAAA0c/uEdZ-PA4IpI/s1600/homer-simpson-bush-gif.gif



Honestly agreed with this...

But about the nobody wants to play with him part....in 2014 you will see.

[crisoner]

Hats off to Mamba for telling Dwight what he needs to hear rather than sucking his d to stay in LA.

Agreed!

So....later Dwight!!!!

[Eric Cartman]

They are universes apart in mentality. I'm not sad I'm just disappointed Dwight.

[ALBballer]

What is kobe going to teach him? Teach him how to chuck, not pass the ball, yell at your teammates etc.

Howard himself got to the finals with Hedo Tukoglou and Rashard Lewis. Kobe would barely be sniffing the playoffs in the east with that squad.

[White Mamba]

Quick translation of Kobe talk to Howard: Good bye loser.

[CelticBaller]

Dwights Reaction as Kobes saying this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UUBBVvfBUcM/T1t8Zi673mI/AAAAAAAAA0c/uEdZ-PA4IpI/s1600/homer-simpson-bush-gif.gif

Noone wants to play with some arrogant douche with an over-inflated sense of entitlement
:oldlol:

[Doranku]

What is kobe going to teach him? Teach him how to chuck, not pass the ball, yell at your teammates etc.

Howard himself got to the finals with Hedo Tukoglou and Rashard Lewis. Kobe would barely be sniffing the playoffs in the east with that squad.

Yeah, and then he got torched by Kobe in the finals and locked down by Pau f*cking Gasol.

Great argument man. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Eric Cartman]

Quick translation of Kobe talk to Howard: Good bye loser.
Please explain

[Heavincent]

What is kobe going to teach him? Teach him how to chuck, not pass the ball, yell at your teammates etc.

Howard himself got to the finals with Hedo Tukoglou and Rashard Lewis. Kobe would barely be sniffing the playoffs in the east with that squad.

lol at implying that Dwight is anywhere near Kobe's level.

[R.I.P.]

It

[Solefade]

What is kobe going to teach him? Teach him how to chuck, not pass the ball, yell at your teammates etc.

Howard himself got to the finals with Hedo Tukoglou and Rashard Lewis. Kobe would barely be sniffing the playoffs in the east with that squad.


Dwight's a *****, Kobe's a dick but ironically they just don't work well together :confusedshrug:

[Solefade]

lol at implying that Dwight is anywhere near Kobe's level.


There's definitely truth in what he said...lettuce be real, Kobe ain't going no where with that squad even in a "weak ass" eastern conference

[9erempiree]

:oldlol: @ some of the responses on here.

[KingMichael23]

Dwights Reaction as Kobes saying this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UUBBVvfBUcM/T1t8Zi673mI/AAAAAAAAA0c/uEdZ-PA4IpI/s1600/homer-simpson-bush-gif.gif

Noone wants to play with some arrogant douche with an over-inflated sense of entitlement
Most arrogant douches wins NBA titles.

[Duderonomy]

Dwights Reaction as Kobes saying this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UUBBVvfBUcM/T1t8Zi673mI/AAAAAAAAA0c/uEdZ-PA4IpI/s1600/homer-simpson-bush-gif.gif

Noone wants to play with some arrogant douche with an over-inflated sense of entitlement Dwight's time in LA.
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Homer-Walks-Into-Bar-and-Leaves.gif

[MVBallin2K]

I knew I had a bad feeling about that meeting. For as great as Kobe can be, he didn't pick up ego manipulation from Phil. If you want a guy like Dwight to stay, then you have to work towards his ego when he has other teams telling him they'll build the entire team around him.

Unless this was taken out of context somehow or Dwight somehow respects this, Lakers chances get lower and lower of keeping Dwight.

[branslowski]

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2/hjgo.png

I agree with this pic, I'd rather have Dwight shoot than Kobe...Kobe shotjackin ass only avg 7ast after Allstar break, should of been 10. Kobe holding the ball in the first round of the playoffs held Dwight back too, 79pts our season low. Curse you Kobe.:rolleyes:

[Replay32]

There's alot of "I'" not "We" in those quotes.

[9erempiree]

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2/hjgo.png

lol @ this picture.

You guys do know that Kobe beat Dwight in the Finals right? If anything, Dwight should beg to play with Kobe.

[rezznor]

lol @ this picture.

You guys do know that Kobe beat Dwight in the Finals right? If anything, Dwight should beg to play with Kobe.
yes dwight she would be begging to play with a crippled, past his prime kobe.

[Rasheed1]

:roll: @kobe

Dwight is definitely gone now..

Thanks egomaniac Bryant ....

truly delusional... he talks like they'll contend next with or without Howard.. He talks they dont need him.. If that was the case, they wouldnt be having the meeting..

kobe found a way to make about himself... again... The guy is unbelievable :oldlol:

[9erempiree]

:roll: @kobe

Dwight is definitely gone now..

Thanks egomaniac Bryant ....

truly delusional... he talks like they'll contend next with or without Howard.. He talks they dont need him.. If that was the case, they wouldnt be having the meeting..

kobe found a way to make about himself... again... The guy is unbelievable :oldlol:

You really think the Lakers were pitching to Howard?

It was Kobe and the Lakers asking why they should resign him?

This was Howard's job interview. They have won without Howard buddy.

[Rasheed1]

You really think the Lakers were pitching to Howard?

It was Kobe and the Lakers asking why they should resign him?

This was Howard's job interview. They have won without Howard buddy.

Stupidest thing I ever heard :oldlol: idiot...

Howard has 3 or 4 other jobs lined up... He doesnt need to "interview" with the dysfunctional lakers (where kobe shows up pleading to take Howard under his wing) ...

GTFO

who has kobe ever mentored into a winner?

kobe is a winner, but he isnt a leader or a good mentor... He is a selfish player..

Im sure Dwight laughed his ass off and boarded the the next flight out of LA

[9erempiree]

Stupidest thing I ever heard :oldlol: idiot...

Howard has 3 or 4 other jobs lined up... He doesnt need to "interview" with the dysfunctional lakers (where kobe shows up pleading to take Howard under his wing) ...

GTFO

who has kobe ever mentored into a winner?

kobe is a winner, but he isnt a leader or a good mentor... He is a selfish player..

Im Dwight laughed his ass off and boarded the the next flight out of LA

Obviously they didn't impress the Lakers or they wouldn't have taken down the billboards.

Why would Lakers beg a guy that they easily beat in the Finals?

[Rasheed1]

Obviously they didn't impress the Lakers or they wouldn't have taken down the billboards.

Why would Lakers beg a guy that they easily beat in the Finals?


They didnt beat 1 guy... They beat the Orlando Magic and they also had Phil Jackson & Jerry Buss... Not Pringles & Jim Buss

Kobe doesnt facilitate winning.. He simply wins when the situation is ripe for winning..

He's not the guy to talk "teaching" people how to do anything.. He is a scorer.. He is delusional if he thought that approach would be positive for anybody but himself..

[2010splash]

Obviously they didn't impress the Lakers or they wouldn't have taken down the billboards.

Why would Lakers beg a guy that they easily beat in the Finals?
Kobe hasn't even been better than Dwight from 2011 to 2012. Dwight was widely regarded as a top 3 player those years behind LeBron/Wade and LeBron/Durant. Dwight has led teams full of role players to 59 wins and Finals appearances. Kobe is the one who's needed dominant big men to win titles. He needs to sell himself.

[9erempiree]

Kobe hasn't even been better than Dwight from 2011 to 2012. Dwight was widely regarded as a top 3 player those years behind LeBron/Wade and LeBron/Durant. Dwight has led teams full of role players to 59 wins and Finals appearances. Kobe is the one who's needed dominant big men to win titles. He needs to sell himself.

:oldlol:

You must not watch basketball.

Not worth responding to except for a couple of sentences.

[imnew09]

The Mamba :bowdown: :bowdown:

Truly a competitor and a winner :applause:

[Heavincent]

who has kobe ever mentored into a winner?


Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom, Trevor Ariza, Ron Artest, etc.

[Jacks3]

Kobe is a moron. This is pretty much the last thing you want to do with Dwight.

Patronizing him like this won't help.

Just dumb. The guy is totally lacking in common sense.

:facepalm

[Anti Hero]

Unexpected Lulz in this thread :applause:

[SamuraiSWISH]

I like Kobe's attitude, but he doesn't realize how mentally weak Dwight is. This would work for any other star but Dwight. All he's doing is scaring him away.
Bingo ...

[iDunkOnFatKids]

Kobe is a moron. This is pretty much the last thing you want to do with Dwight.

Patronizing him like this won't help.

Just dumb. The guy is totally lacking in common sense.

:facepalm


Kobe can't lose here. If Dwight leave, people blame him for being weak and scare to embrace Kobe's tough love. If he stays, Kobe gets the credit. win-win.

[Jacks3]

I don't think so. If Dwight leaves, I have no doubt that there will be plenty of people blaming it on Bryant.

[Anfernee]

Whether there is truth to what Kobe said isn't important. The point is was it effective, and it's likely that it was not.

If the goal of the meeting was to get Howard to stay, then tell him something that would persuade him. Gas him up if necessary. That's the only approach that appears would work on a guy like Howard. He doesn't want to hear Bryant say "stay under my wing," he wants to hear "The mantle is yours and I'm passing it to you now." I'm not saying Kobe should have said that, but it would have been more effective on Howard.

I tend to believe Bryant framed what he said in that way because he already thinks Howard is leaving. So if he does, Kobe can simply say "I offered to mentor him to be a winner, and he chose to run away from the challenge" (which would be the truth). Either that, or Kobe is clueless as to how to be persuasive. I'm not saying Kobe should have to humble himself for the sake of keeping Howard, but reality is he would have to if the goal is to keep him.

[Bandito]

If they won the war all because Dwight took Kobe's comment like a sensitive little girl. They can have him.
:roll: tru dat!

[9erempiree]

Kobe is alpha as fvck. This is probably his way of kissing up. It's not that he's lacking in any persuasive skill. That enough should make Howard want to come back.

[G-Funk]

Well Kobe, you've just officially run Howard off the Lakers, congratulations. :cheers:


At least Kobe didn't lick his balls like everybody did to him since 48h. I like what he said, and I agree with what he said... but sadly Dwight wanted to get his balls ***** by everyone during this process

[G-Funk]

I don't think so. If Dwight leaves, I have no doubt that there will be plenty of people blaming it on Bryant.
who gives a ****?

[pmj]

How can Kobe tell him how to win? Kobe's strategy of how to win is to have the best bigs in the NBA so you can shot jack... That doesn't exactly help Dwight.

[LosScandalous]

Kobe is a moron. This is pretty much the last thing you want to do with Dwight.

Patronizing him like this won't help.

Just dumb. The guy is totally lacking in common sense.

:facepalm
:hammerhead:

If Dwight is that big of a ***** where he gets butthurt about a coaching influence/a little constructive criticism, then LA does not need him.

Kobe can do only two things for Dwight this offseason

He can tell him what he wants to hear

Or he can tell him what he needs to hear.

[Rasheed1]

Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom, Trevor Ariza, Ron Artest, etc.


Kobe didnt mentor those guys... they came and played in Phil Jackson's triangle offense which facilitates winning in itself.. The scheme is designed to involve the players..

Like I said.. Kobe is a very skilled player and he will win if the situation is ripe for it...

But he is hardly a leader, and there isnt any players clamoring to have kobe "teach" them anything about how to win :oldlol:

the guy is mimicking Mj again..

If he wants to win? he would learn to share the ball and take a step back so D Howard and some of the other guys can shine.. We all know kobe can get his when wants, but he needs to provide a positive environment for his teammates..

I like what Dirk said... Dirk said "you come here? You can be the guy and I'll play off you... We'll make it happen" .... I think he goes to Dallas with Dirk talking like that..

[STATUTORY]

kobe can also teach dwight how to be a FATHER

[Vragrant]

From that snippet in the OP, yeah it sounds bad. However when I clicked on the article it wasn't as bad as it seemed. Kobe basically said he just needs to learn HOW to win, and he can teach him how, by tweaking his approach.

That being said, it was the wrong approach. Howard wants to be the main offensive weapon and he knows Kobe sees him as a defensive big man who controls the paint. Their views on his role in the Lakers could not be more different.

Howard knows the deal. He knows hes not getting touches on offense while Kobe is there, and we know Kobe is not relinquishing touches let alone shots.

[coin24]

Lmfao at you retards saying dwight should be a no1 option on offense:roll:
Have any of you seen him play apart from highlites???:facepalm

Utter embarrassment in the first round.. And to those bringing up the 09 finals, dwight got completely shut down. Only made the finals cause of hedo shard and rafer.. And Lebron sucking:oldlol:

[LosScandalous]

Lmfao at you retards saying dwight should be a no1 option on offense:roll:
Have any of you seen him play apart from highlites???:facepalm


This. There's a reason Bynum saw way more double teams as a Laker than Dwight did. It's because he had a true arsenal of post moves.

Dwight can be a dominant offensive force when he wants to, but every Laker fan knows the pain of Dwight backing down in the post just to throw up a blind hook or turnover the ball.

[brandonislegend]

Dwight Howard gets strip more than Kwame did when he is trying to do a post move (I am not kidding)

[Vragrant]

Lmfao at you retards saying dwight should be a no1 option on offense:roll:
Have any of you seen him play apart from highlites???:facepalm

Utter embarrassment in the first round.. And to those bringing up the 09 finals, dwight got completely shut down. Only made the finals cause of hedo shard and rafer.. And Lebron sucking:oldlol:

I don't think anybody is saying that.:oldlol: Dwight is mediocre at best on offense. Actually it looks like he has regressed. But for some reason he thinks he's good enough to carry a team on offense.

[9erempiree]

Thank you Laker fans for telling these fools how it is.

lol @ the idea Dwight should be no. 1 option. If he had anything that resembles an offensive game than I would agree.

[branslowski]

Lamar Odom with Kobe...da sh!t....after Kobe...Lamar who?

Bynum with Kobe...da sh!t.....without....no job..

Gasol never won a playoff game....


Kobe makes his teammates relevant. No one is buying the BS you posters hatin on Kobe spew out yawl stink ass mouth's...It's ironic yawl don't talk about these "stacked" players a year after they leave Kobe.

[DCL]

kobe has always been an anti-social aloof retard.

[Bandito]

kobe can also teach dwight how to be a FATHER
More like how to use a condom. Dwight has like 8 kids already.

[DMAVS41]

Lamar Odom with Kobe...da sh!t....after Kobe...Lamar who?

Bynum with Kobe...da sh!t.....without....no job..

Gasol never won a playoff game....


Kobe makes his teammates relevant. No one is buying the BS you posters hatin on Kobe spew out yawl stink ass mouth's...It's ironic yawl don't talk about these "stacked" players a year after they leave Kobe.

Gasol and Odom were proven players before they played with Kobe...they just benefited from having to take lesser roles and do what they do best...especially Gasol.

I'd bet Bynum's best season is yet to come and it will be without Kobe.

Not that any of it matters...but at least come with some facts.

[branslowski]

Gasol and Odom were proven players before they played with Kobe...they just benefited from having to take lesser roles and do what they do best...especially Gasol.

I'd bet Bynum's best season is yet to come and it will be without Kobe.

Not that any of it matters...but at least come with some facts.

:facepalm

The main point of the post was why nobody talkin about Odom or Bynum a 1 year after leaving Kobe's side?

Didn't Odom go to the Mavs? He lost his "stacked" juice aka talked about like a All-star HOF swag?

The best is yet to come from Bynum? That's ur basis point on including him as a monster stacked player? A no show year with the Sixers? Bowling titles? His not being signed nor working out for a team?

Please answer the point.

[Doctor Rivers]

I'd bet Bynum's best season is yet to come and it will be without Kobe.

I'd bet against that.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

This. There's a reason Bynum saw way more double teams as a Laker than Dwight did. It's because he had a true arsenal of post moves.

Dwight can be a dominant offensive force when he wants to, but every Laker fan knows the pain of Dwight backing down in the post just to throw up a blind hook or turnover the ball.

healthy bynum would eat howard alive on the offensive end....

motivated bynum would eat howard alive on the defensive end

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe is a bitch. Hopefully Dwight signs with Houston or Dallas.

[bmulls]

If I'm Dwight I'm just rolling my eyes at Kobe.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Kobe is a bitch. Hopefully Dwight signs with Houston or Dallas.

did kobe fcuk ur mother or something to pop u out?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

did kobe fcuk ur mother or something to pop u out?

No, but I fvcked your mother.... should have told that bitch to swallow.

[branslowski]

:facepalm

The main point of the post was why nobody talkin about Odom or Bynum a 1 year after leaving Kobe's side?

Didn't Odom go to the Mavs? He lost his "stacked" juice aka talked about like a All-star HOF swag?

The best is yet to come from Bynum? That's ur basis point on including him as a monster stacked player? A no show year with the Sixers? Bowling titles? His not being signed nor working out for a team?

Please answer the point.

??

[PJR]

:oldlol: What is this magic winning formula that Kobe possess? Having the most talented front courts in each and every last one of his title teams, and Phil/Tex Winter's triangle offense?

My goodness, Dwight should bounce to Houston. You don't want to win with that clown.

[PickernRoller]

It looks like someone can't get over that cut......going mad left and right on every poster here......damn and to say it was only a scratch...mentally ill indeed.

[Heavincent]

:oldlol: What is this magic winning formula that Kobe possess?


Being one of the best players of all time maybe?

[branslowski]

Kobe is a bitch. Hopefully Dwight signs with Houston or Dallas.

So...Kobe's a b!tch because he didn't beg Dwight to stay? He (5 time champion Kobe) wants to teach Dwight how to win. Really, hatin aside, wats wrong wit that??

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:oldlol: What is this magic winning formula that Kobe possess? Having the most talented front courts in each and every last one of his title teams, and Phil/Tex Winter's triangle offense?

My goodness, Dwight should bounce to Houston. You don't want to win that clown.

Volume scorer with no defense telling people how to "win". Please. Kobe should tell Dwight to see Shaq and Pau for advice. :oldlol:

[daily]

I'd bet Bynum's best season is yet to come and it will be without Kobe.



Bynum's done and over. He's has his best season

[bmulls]

So...Kobe's a b!tch because he didn't beg Dwight to stay? He (5 time champion Kobe) wants to teach Dwight how to win. Really, hatin aside, wats wrong wit that??

What is Kobe going to teach Dwight that he doesn't already know?

Is there some magical basketball secret that only Kobe knows about?

Serious question.

[raprap]

KObe :applause: :roll:

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

No, but I fvcked your mother.... should have told that bitch to swallow.

Son have pubic hair yet...I know u were a mother fcuker ...the day u were born....

dont talk about ur mother like this Son...

[Heavincent]

What is Kobe going to teach Dwight that he doesn't already know?

Is there some magical basketball secret that only Kobe knows about?

Serious question.

Kobe has a way better back to the basket game than Dwight. That would be one thing he could learn from Kobe.

[OJ SIMPSON 2.0]

Good Job Godbe. Now we can start focusing on some good sign and trade deals.

[Legends66NBA7]

who has kobe ever mentored into a winner?

IMO, Trevor Ariza. Lakers should have kept him.


kobe can also teach dwight how to be a FATHER

Yes, he should learn from Bryant how to cheat on his wife. :rolleyes:


The main point of the post was why nobody talkin about Odom or Bynum a 1 year after leaving Kobe's side?

What do you mean "not talkin about" ? They left the Lakers, which is the 2nd biggest market amongst NBA teams. Unless they go to New York, none of those guys are getting that much publicity anymore, despite being 2-time champs. As for the "stacked" term, they played their roles and players like size/versatility. Having them, along with Gasol and Ariza/Artest for those gave them that "stacked" label, at least according to their era.

Odom, in terms of the hardcore basketball community, was talking about him a lot during the 2011 off season and how he didn't like getting treated by the management. He should have stayed professional, but he's an emotional guy who has had to go through some tough times in his life and this was like the "straw that broke the camel's back" scenario... at least in his mind as pro basketball player. Him sucking in Dallas should definitely all mental and most would agree with that. Hell, Nowitzki allegedly punching him in the Dallas locker room wasn't enough to snap him out of it. He's never recovered since and is in the situation he's in.

Bynum, who I admit am not fond off, has a history of work ethic problems. I actually think he is, for the most part, been put in a much better scenario than his peers. I don't think he's that much better than a healthy Andrew Bogut, but off course the upside is all there... especially what we saw from him in 11-12. He could still possibly have better seasons ahead of him if he plays healthy, I actually agree with DMAVS there. He could still be an all-star again, but I don't see his teams going far as a first option.


healthy bynum would eat howard alive on the offensive end....

motivated bynum would eat howard alive on the defensive end

Eh, neither has really happened vs prime Howard... especially Bynum "eating" Howard alive on the offensive end. Didn't see that when both were at their best (more or less) in 11-12.

[I<3NBA]

so this is what Kobe told Dwight:

ride Shaq, that's how you win. when he's done, find another big man like Pau Gasol. what i'm trying to tell you is, you gotta let me ride you. that's how i win, i mean we win rings.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

so this is what Kobe told Dwight:

ride Shaq, that's how you win. when he's done, find another big man like Pau Gasol. what i'm trying to tell you is, you gotta let me ride you. that's how i win, i mean we win rings.

ah ok...

just like Lebron is riding wade/bosh's **** to get championship...

now i know...thanks for letting me know

[branslowski]

:oldlol: What is this magic winning formula that Kobe possess? Having the most talented front courts in each and every last one of his title teams, and Phil/Tex Winter's triangle offense?

.

08'-09' title year....During the playoff run to get to the finals Bynum avg 6ppg and 3reb..He considered part of ur stacked? Odom adding 12ppg? Stacked swag?

Kobe had 1 Allstar type player in Gasol with his 18ppg 10reb..It was Kobe/Gasol and solid role players...Far from "stacked".

[rzp]

so this is what Kobe told Dwight:

ride Shaq, that's how you win. when he's done, find another big man like Pau Gasol. what i'm trying to tell you is, you gotta let me ride you. that's how i win, i mean we win rings.

:roll:

[AintNoSunshine]

so this is what Kobe told Dwight:

ride Shaq, that's how you win. when he's done, find another big man like Pau Gasol. what i'm trying to tell you is, you gotta let me ride you. that's how i win, i mean we win rings.


:oldlol: :roll: :roll: :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

:facepalm

The main point of the post was why nobody talkin about Odom or Bynum a 1 year after leaving Kobe's side?

Didn't Odom go to the Mavs? He lost his "stacked" juice aka talked about like a All-star HOF swag?

The best is yet to come from Bynum? That's ur basis point on including him as a monster stacked player? A no show year with the Sixers? Bowling titles? His not being signed nor working out for a team?

Please answer the point.

Answer what point? Bynum actually played much worse during the title years than he did in 11 and 12. It's not like he wasn't injury prone in LA...so I don't get the point at all

And Odom obviously quit....

These points would matter if these players only were good with Kobe. But that wasn't the case at all.

Odom was a 17/10/4 player before ever playing with Kobe
Gasol was a 21/10/3 player the year before he played with Kobe

Trying to credit Kobe with making either of them is silly. And what players do after they leave is of no significance if said player had already proven what type of player they were before playing with Kobe.

[DMAVS41]

08'-09' title year....During the playoff run to get to the finals Bynum avg 6ppg and 3reb..He considered part of ur stacked? Odom adding 12ppg? Stacked swag?

Kobe had 1 Allstar type player in Gasol with his 18ppg 10reb..It was Kobe/Gasol and solid role players...Far from "stacked".

Nah...definitely stacked compared to the weak competition of 09.

[ispin69]

so this is what Kobe told Dwight:

ride Shaq, that's how you win. when he's done, find another big man like Pau Gasol. what i'm trying to tell you is, you gotta let me ride you. that's how i win, i mean we win rings.

:lol :oldlol: :applause:


Can anyone tell me what Kobe taught Dwight this past season?
How about when he gets 5 shots in a game --- while Kobe chucks 25-30 shots, obviously Dwight gets the majority of the blame for the lost.

[Jacks3]

:hammerhead:

If Dwight is that big of a ***** where he gets butthurt about a coaching influence/a little constructive criticism, then LA does not need him.

Kobe can do only two things for Dwight this offseason

He can tell him what he wants to hear

Or he can tell him what he needs to hear.

he can tell what he "needs to hear" without being condescending and patronizing about it.

"i'll teach you how to be a champion?"

C'mon son!

:facepalm

[LongLiveTheKing]

I don't see why Dwight would leave, he would like a complete bitch if he didn't. Really one year in LA and he would leave I don't see it happening. For some reason I don't think he'll want Kobe to think of him like such a bitch or anyone else after all he cares a lot what people think.

[KingMichael23]

Kobe didnt mentor those guys... they came and played in Phil Jackson's triangle offense which facilitates winning in itself.. The scheme is designed to involve the players..

Like I said.. Kobe is a very skilled player and he will win if the situation is ripe for it...

But he is hardly a leader, and there isnt any players clamoring to have kobe "teach" them anything about how to win :oldlol:

the guy is mimicking Mj again..

If he wants to win? he would learn to share the ball and take a step back so D Howard and some of the other guys can shine.. We all know kobe can get his when wants, but he needs to provide a positive environment for his teammates..

I like what Dirk said... Dirk said "you come here? You can be the guy and I'll play off you... We'll make it happen" .... I think he goes to Dallas with Dirk talking like that..
I think you're confusing Melo with Kobe. You make it sound like Kobe only averages 2 APG.

[TonyMontana]

The only team with comparable talent to LA from 08-10 was the Boston Celtics

08: Owned them
09: KG went down
10: Perkins went down

Noone else in the league was even close to them. The difference between LA and every other team in the West during those years was bigger than the difference between the Miami Heat and the East for the past 3 years.

Kobe Bryant has never won a series where his team wasn't the favorite. He hops on for the wins, he doesn't provide them. All you have to do is look at his stats in Game 7s and elimination games to see that this dude chokes up when the actual verdict of the series is in jeopardy. Biggest frontrunner in NBA History.

Kobe Bryant G7 Stats:
21.4 PPG, 7.1 RPG, 5.1 APG, .9 SPG, 1.6 BPG, 2.0 TOPG, 39.5 FG%, 32.4 3P%, 70.2 FT%

Kobe Bryant EG Averages:
22.3 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 3.7 APG, 1.2 SPG, .6 BPG, 3.0 TOPG, 41.4 FG%, 27.5 3P%, 77.9 FT%

[branslowski]

Bunch of crap still not explaining why Bynum and Odom were concidered "stacked" type players while playing with Kobe...Yet 1 year later isn't even relevent to earth. I'm still not explaining why 1 Year after leaving Kobe, the whole forum stopped talking about Odom and Bynums stackness ability.

Basically. Wat, a year after yawl was on Odom, he goes to the Mavs and then quits?...We ignore that he and Dirk allegedly got in a fight (yet if Kobe got in a fight yawl would scream bad teammate)...2 players whos d!ck yawl was on, who only ya dumbass call "the most stacked alltimes" all of a sudden only 1 freakin season post Kobe becomes not talked about and a after thought..

Stop da trollin.

[Jacks3]

Pau and a bunch of role-players. Stacked. :bowdown:

[secund2nun]

Translation: "Let me ride your coattails to success, then take all of the credit and pretend I "willed" the team to victory and steal your finals MVP like I did to Gasol in 2010. If the going gets tough and I perform poorly I will put all of the blame on you just like I did to Gasol in the 2008 finals loss. Without dominant front court I am nothing more than a first round loss, and that was prime me. Old me will be a lottery team without it."

[branslowski]

Nah...definitely stacked compared to the weak competition of 09.

Nice facts backing up Bynums 6ppg 3reb during the finals run...Stacked player.

Go sitdown. /

[secund2nun]

Nice facts backing up Bynums 6ppg 3reb during the finals run...Stacked player.

Go sitdown. /

Kobe before Gasol= 2 first round exits and a missed playoffs. After Gasol= 3 finals appearances and 2 rings. Obviously the addition of Gasol turned LA into winners for the first time since Shaq left.

[KingLeBronJames]

Kobe before Gasol= 2 first round exits and a missed playoffs. After Gasol= 3 finals appearances and 2 rings. Obviously the addition of Gasol turned LA into winners for the first time since Shaq left.
But the Lakers were in first place in the West in early '08 season before the Pau trade happened.

[TonyMontana]

Nice facts backing up Bynums 6ppg 3reb during the finals run...Stacked player.

Go sitdown. /

LeBron WON A RING where his best teammate was 6 PPG 3 RPG Birdman.


But the Lakers were in first place in the West in early '08 season before the Pau trade happened.

Thats because Bynum was healthy, and when healthy he is one of the top ten players in the NBA. Problem is he can't last a full season. Once he went down LA would go back to first round fodder. :D

[KingLeBronJames]

LeBron WON A RING where his best teammate was 6 PPG 3 RPG Birdman.
Birdman hardly did anything in the Finals. He did more in the Playoffs. D-wade was the 2nd best player.

[disel]

Translation: "Let me ride your coattails to success, then take all of the credit and pretend I "willed" the team to victory and steal your finals MVP like I did to Gasol in 2010. If the going gets tough and I perform poorly I will put all of the blame on you just like I did to Gasol in the 2008 finals loss. Without dominant front court I am nothing more than a first round loss, and that was prime me. Old me will be a lottery team without it."Choke Cryant also rode Shaq's coattail for years.

[secund2nun]

But the Lakers were in first place in the West in early '08 season before the Pau trade happened.

They were 31-17 before Gasol, and the reason for that improvement was the development of Bynum (though without Gasol they would have lost in the first round again). He took a big leap of improvement from the prior season. A month before the Gasol trade, Bynum got injured and in the 13 game span where Bynum was out leading up to the Gasol trade they went 7-6.

[KingLeBronJames]

LeBron WON A RING where his best teammate was 6 PPG 3 RPG Birdman.



Thats because Bynum was healthy, and when healthy he is one of the top ten players in the NBA. Problem is he can't last a full season. Once he went down LA would go back to first round fodder. :D
They had more wins than losses from the start of when Bynum went down and til they traded for Pau. So they probably wouldn't be a 1st round fodder.

[DetroitPistonFan]

Choke Cryant also rode Shaq's coattail for years.
And Kareem rode on Magic's coattails right?

[secund2nun]

And Kareem rode on Magic's coattails right?

No, Kareem dominated before Magic. Kobe= all first round losses without the best front court in the NBA :roll:

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

So who rode who in the '72 Laker championship team? Jerry West or Wilt Chamberlain?

[TheBigVeto]

And Kareem rode on Magic's coattails right?

It's the other way around dude.

[TheBigVeto]

Translation: "Let me ride your coattails to success, then take all of the credit and pretend I "willed" the team to victory and steal your finals MVP like I did to Gasol in 2010. If the going gets tough and I perform poorly I will put all of the blame on you just like I did to Gasol in the 2008 finals loss. Without dominant front court I am nothing more than a first round loss, and that was prime me. Old me will be a lottery team without it."

Correct translation. :applause:

[DetroitPistonFan]

No, Kareem dominated before Magic. Kobe= all first round losses without the best front court in the NBA :roll:
Dominated and won 1 NBA title. Couldn't win another one for 9 years until Magic came.

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

Translation: "Let me ride your coattails to success, then take all of the credit and pretend I "willed" the team to victory and steal your finals MVP like I did to Gasol in 2010. If the going gets tough and I perform poorly I will put all of the blame on you just like I did to Gasol in the 2008 finals loss. Without dominant front court I am nothing more than a first round loss, and that was prime me. Old me will be a lottery team without it."
Just like LeBron stole D-Wade's Finals MVP

[Flash31]

Well Kobe did win 3 rings
with the best c,and 2 with and elite frontcourt

so either hes saying ill chuck shots to no end
and you dominate and we win

or I chuck shots and always have the ball
and you clean up my misses and I get ALL
the Credit

From Kobes play this season
with trying to outdo Nash in playmaking and assists
and keeping the ball in his hands and not playing
inside out but kobe Is the BEST at ALL
ball

it looks Like num 2

Kobe said its still his team,and he eats 1st,2nd,3rd


Its official then,Dwights leaving

He doesnt want to be Gasol 2.0 or
Bynum,Lamar Odom assisting
Mr I got 5 rings
so what I do goes

[DMAVS41]

Nice facts backing up Bynums 6ppg 3reb during the finals run...Stacked player.

Go sitdown. /

What a terrible argument. I never said Bynum was a superstar or was the reason the team was stacked.

I never once even made that argument.

The 09 Lakers were stacked. They had a top 3 player...and said player had the best supporting cast in the league compared to the other elite players. We can sit here and debate the strength of the 09 Magic and Nuggets all day, but we all know why the Lakers were big favorites in both series. And I have no issue saying Kobe was the biggest reason. So what? It's actually very similar to the Heat this year. Same thing actually...Heat were stacked. And I'd argue that the Pacers and Spurs were slightly better than the Nuggets/Magic...but that honestly doesn't matter.

Even if you want to call it just Kobe/Gasol and nobodies of importance. So be it. What other team could match Kobe/Gasol and the GOAT coach...with a team of veteran role players and big shot makers in Fisher and Ariza?

If you have a team in which a top 3 player has a better supporting cast than the other 2 players in the top 3...and a better supporting cast or at worst equal to other elite players...said team is stacked. The margin for error is just too big not be considered as such.

I do find it funny that Bynum puts up 6/4 in 17 minutes per game and you act like I was using that as any part of my argument...which I wasn't.

[DMAVS41]

Basically. Wat, a year after yawl was on Odom, he goes to the Mavs and then quits?...We ignore that he and Dirk allegedly got in a fight (yet if Kobe got in a fight yawl would scream bad teammate)...2 players whos d!ck yawl was on, who only ya dumbass call "the most stacked alltimes" all of a sudden only 1 freakin season post Kobe becomes not talked about and a after thought..

Stop da trollin.

This would be relevant if Odom himself didn't admit he didn't want to play and was grossly out of shape. Or if he didn't average 17/11/4 the year before playing with Kobe.

And I never said Bynum was the reason the Lakers were stacked.

You have become a much worse poster now that you post less. You can't even form coherent sentences and you just insert things others might say into posts directed at me.

Remove Bynum from the 09 Lakers and they are still stacked.

[All Net]

Not sure that's the right thing to,say to somebody like dwight..

[wakencdukest]

Not sure that's the right thing to,say to somebody like dwight..



Dwight's not one to take constructive criticism very well. Didn't he take offense at Nash offering to work with him on free throws? The fact that Houston will cater to his every whim, makes me think Kobe's approach might not have been the smartest thing, because IMO, Dwight will take the easiest road possible.

[PickernRoller]

Who gives a shit.....lol at the spin my god - like 10 f'cking pages. Leave it to Gino to bring the stacked debate here which he has lost a million times over...but he's a moron anyway - people still taking him seriously.

Fact is, if he signs, it's Dwight's decision, if he doesn't it's also Dwight's decision.

If he stays in LA it's because he wants to be here and man up and be the franchise player he can potentially be. If his ego gets hurt by Kobe's comments then we clearly don't need a softie.......Kobe said what he said and no one is gonna do a shit about it.

[9erempiree]

Kobe's actually doing us a favor.

If Dwight goes elsewhere because of what Kobe said than we don't need a guy like him to be the leader of the Lakers. If he stays, at least he is willing to show the fans that he wants to lead this team.

Kobe is a smart dude. He will put it out there real blunt because nobody should tailor to an unproven player like Howard when there are guys on the team that have won multiple championships.

[OG LeeTSkeeT]

Can't wait for Dwight to visit Staples in his new team...gonna get his ass handled to him and media crucify him.

[JoHnNyBoXeR]

From WOJ


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--kobe-bryant-challenges-dwight-howard-in-meeting-211443923.html





We're fu.cked. Lol

Kobe intimidates this little kid


yo i dont know how any franchise would want this crybaby.. I mean look at his last few years.. He wasnt good enough to be the main piece in Orlando and win a title..so what did he do?? He got Stan Van Gundy fired and toyed with the organization.. He claims he wants to win and be put in a winning situation...

Then he gets signed by LA Lakers, who on paper before the season, looked like the biggest challenge to trump the Miami Heat in the Finals.. Now Dwight gets to play with 2 or 3 future Hall Of Famers and now guess what?? Hes a ****in crybaby again.. And im sure the lead or one of the lead cancers in that locker room, which his antics and not getting along with his teammates was a big reason why they blew the season despite all that talent... .. Pau just found Dwights mother in the stands...(Dwights mother:"Pllaaayyyy niiicccceee litttle dwight') (Dwight: BUT ITS NOT FAIR MOMMY I DONT WANT ANY! TO CRITICIZE ME AND I WANNA BE THE MOST PAID AND ONLY SUPERSTAR ON THE LAKERS!)

This guy got it made.. YO DWIGHT U PLAY BASKETBALL FOR MONEY.. stop crying like a little bitch.. U got a couple future Hall of Famers around u now... So whats the problem little big man?? Kobe is too mean to you?? u need to suck on mommys titty now for som milk..

It bothers me when I see a grown man getting paid millions of dollars playing a game cry about their work situation.. I wish the NBA would go to a longer draft and make free agemcy alot more difficult .. Where alot of Homegrown players wont be able to Leave their draft team unless they meet all the requirements tand rules that are yet to be determined by myself...

See my vision, basically what IM saying is it would be impossible to do what Wade, Bosh and Lebropn did if i ran the NBA

[JoHnNyBoXeR]

Kobe's actually doing us a favor.

If Dwight goes elsewhere because of what Kobe said than we don't need a guy like him to be the leader of the Lakers. If he stays, at least he is willing to show the fans that he wants to lead this team.

Kobe is a smart dude. He will put it out there real blunt because nobody should tailor to an unproven player like Howard when there are guys on the team that have won multiple championships.


yea its sickening how these basketball players think their work situations arer bad.. So 2 different teams but the same person in two different years .. im guessing the teams arent the problem its the character howard

[Vienceslav]

Well Kobe did win 3 rings
with the best c,and 2 with and elite frontcourt

so either hes saying ill chuck shots to no end
and you dominate and we win

or I chuck shots and always have the ball
and you clean up my misses and I get ALL
the Credit

From Kobes play this season
with trying to outdo Nash in playmaking and assists
and keeping the ball in his hands and not playing
inside out but kobe Is the BEST at ALL
ball

it looks Like num 2

Kobe said its still his team,and he eats 1st,2nd,3rd


Its official then,Dwights leaving

He doesnt want to be Gasol 2.0 or
Bynum,Lamar Odom assisting
Mr I got 5 rings
so what I do goes
Is your post supposed to be a rap lyric?

[DMAVS41]

Who gives a shit.....lol at the spin my god - like 10 f'cking pages. Leave it to Gino to bring the stacked debate here which he has lost a million times over...but he's a moron anyway - people still taking him seriously.

Fact is, if he signs, it's Dwight's decision, if he doesn't it's also Dwight's decision.

If he stays in LA it's because he wants to be here and man up and be the franchise player he can potentially be. If his ego gets hurt by Kobe's comments then we clearly don't need a softie.......Kobe said what he said and no one is gonna do a shit about it.

I didn't even bring it up you moron. Read the thread. It was a usual Kobe Stan trying to use what Bynum and Odom have done since they left the Lakers as evidence of what kind of players they were on the Lakers. Which is obviously a terrible argument...made even worse by the fact that Bynum hasn't even played a game.

So now a top 3 player with a great 2nd option and the GOAT coach with a really good team around him in a weak year competition wise isn't stacked? When the other truly elite players like Dirk, Wade, and Lebron didn't have the same type of help nor did the Lakers have to face them.

:wtf:

[rhythmic]

Well Kobe did win 3 rings
with the best c,and 2 with and elite frontcourt

so either hes saying ill chuck shots to no end
and you dominate and we win

or I chuck shots and always have the ball
and you clean up my misses and I get ALL
the Credit

From Kobes play this season
with trying to outdo Nash in playmaking and assists
and keeping the ball in his hands and not playing
inside out but kobe Is the BEST at ALL
ball

it looks Like num 2

Kobe said its still his team,and he eats 1st,2nd,3rd


Its official then,Dwights leaving

He doesnt want to be Gasol 2.0 or
Bynum,Lamar Odom assisting
Mr I got 5 rings
so what I do goes

Prior to winning 2 titles with the Lakers; Odom never won anything and was considered highly inconsistent and disappointing talent. Pau Gasol is 0-16 without Kobe in the playoffs.

Just keeping things in perspective here, since everyone loves to discredit Kobe on this forum.
After leaving LA (right after winning 6th MOTY and being a borderline all-star forward) Odom disappeared without Kobe on his team.

[Joey3000]

Kobe just needs another bigman to ride to a title while stealing all the glory.

How dare u tell Dwight to submit under your leadership while u have no real leadership attributes at all? Kobe is a known loan wolf, u know why? Because loves do things that make others not want to be around u. like chucking.

[rhythmic]

I didn't even bring it up you moron. Read the thread. It was a usual Kobe Stan trying to use what Bynum and Odom have done since they left the Lakers as evidence of what kind of players they were on the Lakers. Which is obviously a terrible argument...made even worse by the fact that Bynum hasn't even played a game.

So now a top 3 player with a great 2nd option and the GOAT coach with a really good team around him in a weak year competition wise isn't stacked? When the other truly elite players like Dirk, Wade, and Lebron didn't have the same type of help nor did the Lakers have to face them.

:wtf:

The ironic thing about these type of posts is I never see people discredit anyone but Kobe for being fortunate enough to have the right personel to win titles.

Jordan had Phil all his career plus Pippen, Grant, Armstrong, Rodman, Kukoc etc.
Magic had Riley, Kareem, Worthy etc.
Bird had McHale, Johnson etc.

I completely agree with your that Duncan & Dirk won with less then Kobe; which is fine. But why is that everytime we mention Kobe as a winner people like you always try to discredit him by mentioning how much he had WHEN THERE ARE OTHER LEGENDS THAT HAD MORE.

[Chrono90]

Well Kobe did win 3 rings
with the best c,and 2 with and elite frontcourt

Every team had great players in order to win a championship so what is your point? :confusedshrug:

so either hes saying ill chuck shots to no end
and you dominate and we win

If you watched any of the games, he wasn't chucking shots just to chuck it. It helped the team. Actually Lakers last season was in the playoffs cause Kobe showed heart all season.

or I chuck shots and always have the ball
and you clean up my misses and I get ALL
the Credit

Did you watch any of the games last season? Or please go check the stats of Kobe last season. :facepalm

From Kobes play this season
with trying to outdo Nash in playmaking and assists
and keeping the ball in his hands and not playing
inside out but kobe Is the BEST at ALL
ball

Please go download a dozen of the Lakers game last season and watch it before you mouth off here. Kobe did do a ton of posting. Actually it's Mike D'antoni's system not to play inside-out Mr. Einstein. Kobe wasn't trying to out do Nash. Nash was out injured for a long period of time and Kobe's PPG dropped as a result of handling the ball. He was doing whatever it takes to win.

it looks Like num 2

Kobe said its still his team,and he eats 1st,2nd,3rd

Yea can you do a little logical thinking now? If you think about it and be honest and not to be fake humble, it's true. Dwight isn't mature enough to run the Lakers yet. Nash is too old and Gasol's prime is gone. If that's what it is, Kobe will say it cause he's answering a question honestly and not giving a dam about being fake humble.


Its official then,Dwights leaving

He doesnt want to be Gasol 2.0 or
Bynum,Lamar Odom assisting

Hey man, Wade is assisting Lebron? Pippen was assisting Jordan? Kobe was assisting prime Shaq? The wheels in a car assists its movement? Cheese assists in a great cheeseburger? The ray of sunlight assists in the growth of a plant? Mr. Einstein, there's nothing wrong with assisting cause that's part of how things are. There's players assisting in all championship teams.

Mr I got 5 rings
so what I do goes



you're a pure Kobe-hater but at least do some legit hating and actually watch some games and research some stats.

[JtotheIzzo]

Kobe is such a selfish douche.

Why does he need everything to be about him. Now if Dwight has success it won't be his it'll be because he learned from Kobe.

Kobe actually thinks this is the best way to land him.

Dwight to Houston, book it.

Well done Kobe you've protect YOUR house, no one else will ever be the focal point.

[DMAVS41]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[STATUTORY]

That is a separate argument. If someone says the 09 Lakers weren't stacked. They have to defend that position. You can't just start talking about Magic or Bird. Those teams were stacked as well!

I don't know why people want to treat every title the same or every championship run in terms of difficulty the same. Clearly the level of competition in 09 and 13 was pretty weak. This year you had a stacked Heat team slumping roughly the entire playoffs and they still won the title. The Heat's two biggest threats in my opinion suffered key injuries in Westbrook/Rose....and the Pacers were without Granger. In 09...the Lakers clearly had the best team...a top 3 player...and the GOAT coach. And the competition was weak and unproven.

Bringing up another year or Jordan is just shifting the argument.

If you want to talk about NBA history and what players needed to win. That is a different argument.

But you can't say..."the Lakers weren't stacked"...then say...."who cares if they were...MJ had stacked teams too"

That isn't the point I was responding to.


and what you continuously fail to understand is the reason that 2009 lakers team looked "stacked" is entirely because of Kobe Bryant. Take Kobe off that team and it's a swept out of the first round team.

it's completely disingenuous to talk about stacked because tautologically of course a 3 time championship appearing team will have been a great team by definition. Stacked only makes sense when comparing to other historically great teams or evaluating the role players in absence of the star player.

In either dimensions, Kobe's team was not at all stacked.

Lebrons team this year for example was better than any team kobe has ever had.

[branslowski]

Stacked Bynum during 09' title run (meaning starting Center) 6ppg 3reb 45%fg. PER 11.8

Same year in playoffs Cavs center Big Z during playoff Run- 10ppg 8reb 45%fg(shooting more jumpers than Bynum) PER 14.5

Yet Bynum is concidered stacked player and Big Z is garbage...

Nice logic u idiots make.

[branslowski]

Same Year 08-09

Kobe's side kick Gasol 18ppg 9reb that season

Chris Pauls side kick David West 21ppg 8reb that season.


I'd still take Pau over West easily, but to act like this gap between top 5 players and their mates was huge wen it comes to Kobes squad is straight up nonsense and u haters need to stop reachin..:oldlol:

[I<3NBA]

Kobe to Dwight: Let me teach you how to be a champ

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[Heavincent]

Same Year 08-09

Kobe's side kick Gasol 18ppg 9reb that season

Chris Pauls side kick David West 21ppg 8reb that season.


I'd still take Pau over West easily, but to act like this gap between top 5 players and their mates was huge wen it comes to Kobes squad is straight up nonsense and u haters need to stop reachin..:oldlol:

Yeah Melo's team was pretty good too. Billups was still really good (put up 21/7/4 in the playoffs), and the Nene/Martin front court they had was solid. Also had Birdman and JR Smith coming off the bench. Certainly not that big of a gap between Kobe's supporting cast and Melo's supporting cast.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

@Chris_Broussard 1m
Sources close to Howard tell me Kobe's reported pitch in Tuesday's meeting about teaching D12 how to win will be a "complete turnoff" to D12

[strike first]

Kobe is like a cancer when it comes to big men

Cant believe the lakers org is stupid enough to let him try to convince d12 after kobes relationship with shaq and how he stole gasols thunder

kobe just wants another pole to ride

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Kobe is like a cancer when it comes to big men

Cant believe the lakers org is stupid enough to let him try to convince d12 after kobes relationship with shaq and how he stole gasols thunder

kobe just wants another pole to ride

If Gasol wasn't such a pussified beta, kobe would be stuck at 3.

[R.I.P.]

@Chris_Broussard 1m
Sources close to Howard tell me Kobe's reported pitch in Tuesday's meeting about teaching D12 how to win will be a "complete turnoff" to D12

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/022/2/f/sakura_is_captain_obvious__by_honest_criminal-d4n83ls.jpg

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[Legends66NBA7]

Same Year 08-09

Kobe's side kick Gasol 18ppg 9reb that season

Chris Pauls side kick David West 21ppg 8reb that season.


I'd still take Pau over West easily

Yeah, but it's not because of stats. Gasol has a better offensive game with his huge length and actually played good defense too than West that year. He also had to play within the triangle and also had a 3rd option in Lamar Odom that was better than any 3rd option Chris Paul had on the Hornerts (and it showed in the playoffs). As for the whole stats and not selective ones:

Gasol RS: 18.9ppg 9.6rpg (3.2orpg) 3.5apg 0.6spg 1bpg 1.9tpg 56.7%fg 78.1%ft
Gasol PO: 18.3ppg 10.8rpg (3orpg) 2.5apg 0.8spg 2bpg 1.9tpg 58%fg 71.4%ft

West RS: 21ppg 8.5rpg (2.1orpg) 2.3apg 0.6spg 0.9bpg 2.1tpg 47.2%fg 88.4%ft
West PO: 18ppg 7.4rpg (1orpg) 1.2apg 1.0spg 0.4bpg 2.8tpg 40%fg 89.7%ft


If anyone saw both players that year, they could easily tell the difference, even with stats.

[arifgokcen]

It was obvious way before Chris_Broussard tweet that this remark alone would be enough to run dwight off.

As great as kobe is,he is stupid just like other "HS to Pro players" like lebron,t-mac et.

Then norris ****ing cole knows how to be a champion better than anyone in this league.The stupidity and arrogance of kobe wow i am speechless

[The Iron Fist]

I still have yet to see a Kobe stan name a frontcourt that was better than LAs from 08-10.

Bostons was the only one comparable and they owned LA the only year they weren't hurt.

Can't use the "Kobe is so good thats why their the best" excuse either since hes a backcourt player.
Post Bynums playoff stats for each year, and then claim they had the best front court.

[chazzy]

Kobe is a bitch. Hopefully Dwight signs with Houston or Dallas.
:oldlol: When did you become such a hater all of a sudden?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:oldlol: When did you become such a hater all of a sudden?

Not hating. The guy is just a spoiled narcissistic tw4t. :oldlol:

[Legends66NBA7]

:oldlol: When did you become such a hater all of a sudden?

kuniva's always said he's not a fan of him, but he's also been consistent assessing Bryant, either for or against him.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

kuniva's always said he's not a fan of him, but he's also been consistent assessing Bryant, either for or against him.

My dude. :cheers:

[TonyMontana]

Post Bynums playoff stats for each year, and then claim they had the best front court.

So what teamhad a better frontcourt than LA? Kobe stans love to ignore this question. I'm still ****ing waiting.

Bynum had the same stats as Birdman did for Miami this year and he was HUGE. 7'1 centers that arn't stiffs are INCREDIBLY valuable.

You can tell who the Kobe stans are and who the real laker fans are by the way they talk shit about guys that won their franchise multiple titles.

[arifgokcen]

I still have yet to see a Kobe stan name a frontcourt that was better than LAs from 08-10.

Bostons was the only one comparable and they owned LA the only year they weren't hurt.

Can't use the "Kobe is so good thats why their the best" excuse either since hes a backcourt player.

First of all this is an obvious troll.


Post Bynums playoff stats for each year, and then claim they had the best front court.

Secondly yes lakers frontcourt was best among contenders but this is LAKERS. BEST FRANCHISE IN NBA

I really cant understand this.Why having the best frontcourt is a bad thing.Its like when i say this,this is an insult to kobe.

Wow.

[bdreason]

Step 1: Play along side a top 5 PF/C

[DMAVS41]

and what you continuously fail to understand is the reason that 2009 lakers team looked "stacked" is entirely because of Kobe Bryant. Take Kobe off that team and it's a swept out of the first round team.

it's completely disingenuous to talk about stacked because tautologically of course a 3 time championship appearing team will have been a great team by definition. Stacked only makes sense when comparing to other historically great teams or evaluating the role players in absence of the star player.

In either dimensions, Kobe's team was not at all stacked.

Lebrons team this year for example was better than any team kobe has ever had.

I actually don't do that. I even posted earlier that the biggest reason was the "greatness of Kobe"

So please read my posts before you reply with nonsense...thanks.

[TonyMontana]

First of all this is an obvious troll.



Secondly yes lakers frontcourt was best among contenders but this is LAKERS. BEST FRANCHISE IN NBA

I really cant understand this.Why having the best frontcourt is a bad thing.Its like when i say this,this is an insult to kobe.

Wow.

Don't act like Kobe carried a team to titles when the reason they won is because no team could match up with their dominant frontcourt.

Props to Lakers management, they did a good job putting a winner together. props to Kobe for winning, but don't act like hes special and put together historic campaigns when the only reason he won is because he had the most stacked team in the league. More credit to Lakers management than anyone.

Kobe has NEVER won a playoff series where his team was an underdog, he is the biggest frontrunning player in NBA History. This is supported even further by how bad he plays in Game 7's/elimination games when the actual outcome of the series is in jeopardy. He is only good when there is no pressure and his team is overwhelmingly stacked.

Kobe Bryant EG Averages:
22.3 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 3.7 APG, 1.2 SPG, .6 BPG, 3.0 TOPG, 41.4 FG%, 27.5 3P%, 77.9 FT%

Kobe Bryant G7 Stats:
21.4 PPG, 7.1 RPG, 5.1 APG, .9 SPG, 1.6 BPG, 2.0 TOPG, 39.5 FG%, 32.4 3P%, 70.2 FT%

[DMAVS41]

Don't act like Kobe carried a team to titles when the reason they won is because no team could match up with their dominant frontcourt.

Props to Lakers management, they did a good job putting a winner together. props to Kobe for winning, but don't act like hes special and put together historic campaigns when the only reason he won is because he had the most stacked team in the league. More credit to Lakers management than anyone.

Kobe has NEVER won a playoff series where his team was an underdog, he is the biggest frontrunning player in NBA History. This is supported even further by how bad he plays in Game 7's/elimination games when the actual outcome of the series is in jeopardy. He is only good when there is no pressure and his team is overwhelmingly stacked.

Kobe Bryant EG Averages:
22.3 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 3.7 APG, 1.2 SPG, .6 BPG, 3.0 TOPG, 41.4 FG%, 27.5 3P%, 77.9 FT%

Kobe Bryant G7 Stats:
21.4 PPG, 7.1 RPG, 5.1 APG, .9 SPG, 1.6 BPG, 2.0 TOPG, 39.5 FG%, 32.4 3P%, 70.2 FT%

Do you know how many free throws he's shot in the above breakdowns? Those percentages to me are shocking for a career 82% ft shooter in the playoffs.

Also, don't mean to be a pain, but could you post Dirk's ft percentages in elimination games and game 7's? I want to see his in comparison...maybe it's normal to see a dip in ft percentage in high pressure games/situations.

[TonyMontana]

Do you know how many free throws he's shot in the above breakdowns? Those percentages to me are shocking for a career 82% ft shooter in the playoffs.

Also, don't mean to be a pain, but could you post Dirk's ft percentages in elimination games and game 7's? I want to see his in comparison...maybe it's normal to see a dip in ft percentage in high pressure games/situations.

Kobe shot 54 FTs in the Game 7s. 7 game sample size
114 in the elimination games. 19 game sample size

Dirk Nowitzki G7 Stats:
26.0 PPG, 12.6 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.2 SPG, 1.6 BPG, .8 TOPG, 50.0 FG%, 42.9 3P%, 90.2 FT%

Props to WayofWade for finding all the stars Game 7s.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305091

Dirk Elimination Games
28.6 PPG, 11.7 RPG, 2.7 APG, 1.0 SPG 1.2 BPG 61.2% TS%(godly)

[LaserEater]

I liked Kobe's approach.

Either stay to become an unstopable winner, and one of the best of this generation, or go. Someone as talented as Dwight is pretty useless if he isn't going to man up and earn his #1 spot.

Why try so hard to convince a guy that wants things handed out to him nice and easy...instead of someone who wants to go out and get em, no matter what????

A franchise player and a leader is not someone you need to convince with bells and whistles...a tailored made team and some suckin up. He needs to accept challenges and be mentally tough. If Dwight can't take that...he's not the franchise player the Lakers are looking for.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe shot 54 FTs in the Game 7s. 7 game sample size
114 in the elimination games. 19 game sample size

Dirk Nowitzki G7 Stats:
26.0 PPG, 12.6 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.2 SPG, 1.6 BPG, .8 TOPG, 50.0 FG%, 42.9 3P%, 90.2 FT%

Props to WayofWade for finding all the stars Game 7s.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305091

Dirk Elimination Games
28.6 PPG, 11.7 RPG, 2.7 APG, 1.0 SPG 1.2 BPG 61.2% TS%(godly)

Hmmm.

I'd be interested to know how many free throws Kobe shot in his games. His dip in ft percentage is probably the best evidence of what you are suggesting about him struggling in elimination/game 7's...a 12 percent dip in free throws seems crazy.

Just saw the edit. Wow...

[Goldrush25]

I liked Kobe's approach.

Either stay to become an unstopable winner, and one of the best of this generation, or go. Someone as talented as Dwight is pretty useless if he isn't going to man up and earn his #1 spot.

Why try so hard to convince a guy that wants things handed out to him nice and easy...instead of someone who wants to go out and get em, no matter what????

A franchise player and a leader is not someone you need to convince with bells and whistles...a tailored made team and some suckin up. He needs to accept challenges and be mentally tough. If Dwight can't take that...he's not the franchise player the Lakers are looking for.

Well why don't college football coaches go to recruit's homes and start cursing them out and telling them how they'll never be any good unless they do it the team's way?

I thought the billboard was pandering too much to Howard. Now Kobe is going into the other extreme direction, saying basically that Howard won't do anything without him. That organization has managed to frick this whole thing up in every manner.

[TonyMontana]

Hmmm.

I'd be interested to know how many free throws Kobe shot in his games. His dip in ft percentage is probably the best evidence of what you are suggesting about him struggling in elimination/game 7's...a 12 percent dip in free throws seems crazy.

Just saw the edit. Wow...

Dirk > Kobe all-time. The only thing Kobe has on him as rings and thats a team accomplishment. Dirk is the more efficient and better scorer.

The only thing seperating Dirk from guys like Shaq/Duncan is that he isn't a great rim protector so you need to pair him up with one. Rebounding wise he always steps his rebounding up to an elite level in the playoffs. With Kobe you need that rim protector too(a few of them).

And the one year Dirk had a quality rim protector(Chandler) he won a title.

Dirk is probably the most underrated player of all-time. 50+ wins every year despite never having a major star. Tyson Chandler was his best teammate he ever had.

[DMAVS41]

Dirk > Kobe all-time. The only thing Kobe has on him as rings and thats a team accomplishment. Dirk is the more efficient and better scorer.

The only thing seperating Dirk from guys like Shaq/Duncan is that he isn't a great rim protector so you need to pair him up with one. Rebounding wise he always steps his rebounding up to an elite level in the playoffs. With Kobe you need that rim protector too(a few of them).

And the one year Dirk had a quality rim protector(Chandler) he won a title.

Dirk is probably the most underrated player of all-time. 50+ wins every year despite never having a major star. Tyson Chandler was his best teammate he ever had.

I don't know how I feel about all that. I do feel like Kobe would be better at carrying bad teams, but Dirk might fit in better on stacked teams just because of his style of play and lack of ball dominance and more team oriented approach and the nightmare matchups he creates.

Chandler wasn't the best player Dirk ever had. Nash, Finley, and Terry at their best were all better and more valuable than Chandler in 11.

[LaserEater]

Well why don't college football coaches go to recruit's homes and start cursing them out and telling them how they'll never be any good unless they do it the team's way?

I thought the billboard was pandering too much to Howard. Now Kobe is going into the other extreme direction, saying basically that Howard won't do anything without him. That organization has managed to frick this whole thing up in every manner.

Not at all. It doesn't have to be with the Lakers...but if he was to stay...he needs to grow the fvck up. That's why I wouldn't mind if he goes away because of what Kobe told hm.

D12 ain't no rookie. He's been to the finals and a couple of playoffs series. The dude's been around long enough to know you have to grow a huge pair to win. He's supposed to be entering his peak right now...and obviously wants to be the leader and the #1 option.

You want that? Earn it. Especially someone as talented as Howard. If he doesn't think the Lakers are the best option...That's fine. But trying to convince him treating him like a child or a rookie? Bvllshitting?? No way. If you want to make him a franchise player and the next big thing, treat him like one...and challenge him.

And I agree...the billboard thing was an embarrassment.

[jlip]

I haven't read through the thread, so I don't know if I'm repeating anything, but Kobe's approach never work with Howard at this stage of D-12's career. If Howard were a rookie or 2nd year player, maybe so, but Howard is a veteran superstar entering his 10th season, 3x DPOY, led the league in rebounds 5x, and has led a team to the Finals. I'm certain that Kobe's, "come under my wing, young man, and let me show you how to win message" (if the reports are true) was insulting to Dwight.

[TonyMontana]

I don't know how I feel about all that. I do feel like Kobe would be better at carrying bad teams, but Dirk might fit in better on stacked teams just because of his style of play and lack of ball dominance and more team oriented approach and the nightmare matchups he creates.

Chandler wasn't the best player Dirk ever had. Nash, Finley, and Terry at their best were all better and more valuable than Chandler in 11.

Nash isn't anything special without D'Antoni running an offense specifically around his strengths. He's a great shooter and offensive player, but makes absolutely zero difference defensively(probably a negative actually). There's a reason Dallas's record got BETTER after he left.

Bigmen are what wins in the NBA. Chandler was more important than Nash/Finley or any of those guys ever were.

2004(with Nash): 52-30(first round)
2005(w/o Nash): 58-24(semi finals)

2005(with Finley): 58-24(semi finals)
2006(w/o Finley): 60-22(NBA Finals)

2011(with Chandler): 57-25(NBA title)
2012(w/o Chandler): 36-30(first round swept)

Not even gonna waste my time with Terry, he isn't close to Chandlers impact.

Lost all these guys as free agents too(got nothing in return). Mavs suffered absolutely no loss without Finley or Nash. Guards are easy to replace, bigman...not so much.

[DMAVS41]

Nash isn't anything special without D'Antoni running an offense specifically around his strengths. He's a great shooter and offensive player, but makes absolutely zero difference defensively(probably a negative actually). There's a reason Dallas's record got BETTER after he left.

Bigmen are what wins in the NBA. Chandler was more important than Nash/Finley or any of those guys ever were.

2004(with Nash): 52-30(first round)
2005(w/o Nash): 58-24(semi finals)

2005(with Finley): 58-24(semi finals)
2006(w/o Finley): 60-22(NBA Finals)

2011(with Chandler): 57-25(NBA title)
2012(w/o Chandler): 36-30(first round swept)

Not even gonna waste my time with Terry, he isn't close to Chandlers impact.

Lost all these guys as free agents too(got nothing in return). Mavs suffered absolutely no loss without Finley or Nash. Guards are easy to replace, bigman...not so much.

You are leaving out a lot of the context. Nash was hurt in 04 and the year before the Mavs had a 50/50 shot to win the title in 03 before Dirk got hurt.

In 12...Dirk and the rest of the team played at a much worse level.

You are comparing some of the worst versions of Finley and Nash to be the best version of Chandler. Don't think that is fair.

[The-Legend-24]

It's about time somebody stopped all this fvcking ass kissing. Kobe keeping it G as fvck.

[Duncan21formvp]

This is good, now he can go to Houston.

[Jacks3]

Kobe just cost himself any chance for a 6th ring.

Haha what an idiot.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Dwight would be much much more likely to stay with the Lakers had Kobe said 'I'd retire after next season' instead.
:rolleyes:

[Jacks3]

[QUOTE]

[sc19]

Poor Nash. He really hopped on the wrong train. He had to deal with a big cry baby and an ego maniac this year.

[branslowski]

:facepalm

This only means its put up or shut up for Kobe. Props to him for not throating Dwights shlong like everyone else and Houstons whole population.

[rhythmic]

From WOJ


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--kobe-bryant-challenges-dwight-howard-in-meeting-211443923.html





We're fu.cked. Lol

Kobe intimidates this little kid

:oldlol: My thoughts exactly before entering this thread, especially the former...

[kennethgriffin]

Dirk > Kobe all-time. The only thing Kobe has on him as rings and thats a team accomplishment. Dirk is the more efficient and better scorer.

The only thing seperating Dirk from guys like Shaq/Duncan is that he isn't a great rim protector so you need to pair him up with one. Rebounding wise he always steps his rebounding up to an elite level in the playoffs. With Kobe you need that rim protector too(a few of them).

And the one year Dirk had a quality rim protector(Chandler) he won a title.

Dirk is probably the most underrated player of all-time. 50+ wins every year despite never having a major star. Tyson Chandler was his best teammate he ever had.



:lol



















kobe bryant is your worst nightmare ahahahha

he obviously hurt you badly and you've never forgiven him for it. talk about butt hurt


:bowdown: epic

[Legends66NBA7]

Poor Nash. He really hopped on the wrong train.

What was his other option ? Toronto ? He wasn't going to do anything there.

[brain drain]

The only why for the Lakers to save the day would've been to replace the #StayD12 billboards with #TankForWiggins immediately after Kobe's "sales pitch".

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe just cost himself any chance for a 6th ring.

Haha what an idiot.
Well yea, but I don't think he's trying to win a ring. He says that, but I don't believe it's the truth. If it was really trying to win within a team dynamic with all the talent they have ... he'd be playing like the mature, endearing leader we saw Kobe could've been as he was in 2008. He had the perfect balance that year as a player.

Kobe is running dudes off his team possibly so he can jack up shots to try and reach the individual accolade of all-time scoring leader. It's the only accomplishment of significance that he could possibly have over better players like Jordan, LeBron, Bird, etc.

That's also the significance of why he claimed it was "his team" before Dwight even got there. Which marginalized Dwight instead of building him up to help the team win. It's also why Kobe really didn't put much effort on defense, or trying to play make for others early in the season.

Of course he did try playing selfless once things got too bad for the Lakers and the national criticism started rolling in. Which once again made him seem fake and contrived.

But his obvious efforts for scoring, and lack of effort in involving teammates or playing defense made everyone on the Lakers not want to play hard for him. Thus they weren't winning.

Kobe has an agenda, and it has nothing to do with winning I believe. He's all about putting points on the board at the expense of EVERYTHING else. Including winning.

As a 17 year veteran, you don't act the way Kobe did this year as a man really trying to win a championship. Too many talented teammates at his disposal that were waisted with his selfish approach.

[Indian guy]

Yeah, I think Dwight learned all he needed to know last season. That's why he won't be signing with LA.

[Doranku]

My God the Lakers are going to be HORRIBLE next season. Who the f*ck is our backup 3 now that Clark his gone?

What is our big man rotation going to look like without Dwight?

How many 150 point outtings will teams have against us?

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[longtime lurker]

:facepalm Insidehoops possibly the highest collection of low IQ morons on the internet. If Kobe had said the Lakers would be Dwights team you idiots would be like OMGZZ Kobe is a beta and admits he ain't shit without Dwight. If Kobe said nothing you idiots would be like OMGZ Kobe is trying to push Dwight off the Lakers. He said nothing wrong, he offered to work with Dwight and teach him what it takes to be a champion. Dwight Howard was bitching that Shaq didn't offer to take him under his wing and now Kobe does and he feels disrespected? Howard asked the Rockets if they could get another superstar with Chandler Parsons in the room :facepalm Dwight could learn a lot from Kobe and Nash, he could stay with an organization that's committed to championships and has the capspace to build a team around him next year. It's pathetic that this new generation of superstars don't want to work for anything and get offended when someone challenges to be legendary.

[boozehound]

here is where it doesnt work. Kobe and nash are telling him that they are the only team with a championship pedigree. Fair enough, except you are basically talking about kobe (and gasol). Nash has nothing to do with it. Basketball doesnt happen in a temporal vacuum. Kobe is old and coming back from a major injury. Their second best player plays the same position as dwight and will not work great playing alongside him. They are capped out and have no room for improvement. It was 7 years in between titles. (02-09). Sure, they eventually restructured after shaq left, but it took them 5 years. In 5 years, dwight will be 32? If he falls for the, we have a championship pedigree line, he is dumber than he looks (and he looks pretty damn dumb). New ownership/leadership, a coach who doesnt fit well with his strengths, an old and expensive roster, very few picks or young prospects to develop.

It would be one thing if the squad last year had made some noise and then kb got injured. They were barely a playoff team and were a rudderless ship all season long. What will improve that this coming year? No kb for most of the season? Nash being older and slower? Earl Clark, the one positive (and best suited pf on the team to play alongside dwight) leaving?

[longtime lurker]

here is where it doesnt work. Kobe and nash are telling him that they are the only team with a championship pedigree. Fair enough, except you are basically talking about kobe (and gasol). Nash has nothing to do with it. Basketball doesnt happen in a temporal vacuum. Kobe is old and coming back from a major injury. Their second best player plays the same position as dwight and will not work great playing alongside him. They are capped out and have no room for improvement. It was 7 years in between titles. (02-09). Sure, they eventually restructured after shaq left, but it took them 5 years. In 5 years, dwight will be 32? If he falls for the, we have a championship pedigree line, he is dumber than he looks (and he looks pretty damn dumb). New ownership/leadership, a coach who doesnt fit well with his strengths, an old and expensive roster, very few picks or young prospects to develop.

It would be one thing if the squad last year had made some noise and then kb got injured. They were barely a playoff team and were a rudderless ship all season long. What will improve that this coming year? No kb for most of the season? Nash being older and slower? Earl Clark, the one positive (and best suited pf on the team to play alongside dwight) leaving?

Here's the thing. Kobe and Nash have both been league MVP's. 2 of the hardest workers in the league, two skilled players that can still play at a high level despite age. Championships take a lot of mental preparation and strength. Something Dwight knows nothing about. They know what it takes to be a leader.

The only reason the team struggled was because of injuries to every major contributor. Check their post all star record as proof. Sure D'Antoni is clueless, but he's got 1 more season max. After that Dwight can have input on the coach he wants and the Lakers will have tons of capspace to build around him. If he wants to play with friends he can recruit some friends to play on his team.

Finally with the Lakers more than any other team you know they're all about championships. He knows he gets a team that won't worry about paying luxury taxes or trade players just to make a profit. A GM like Morey trades players like pokemon cards, Mitch for all the grief he gets managed to trade for Chris Paul, Dwight Howard and Steve Nash in the span of 2 off seasons.

Dwight said he's focused on winning championships and Kobe starts talking about winning championships, not having fun or being best friends and that's a turnoff?

[LaserEater]

: It's pathetic that this new generation of superstars don't want to work for anything and get offended when someone challenges to be legendary.

Exactly. Thank you very much, Sir.

That's why I said that if Howard won't sign with LAL because of what Kobe told him, he's not the franchise player the Lakers are looking for.

[PickernRoller]

Well yea, but I don't think he's trying to win a ring. He says that, but I don't believe it's the truth. If it was really trying to win within a team dynamic with all the talent they have ... he'd be playing like the mature, endearing leader we saw Kobe could've been as he was in 2008. He had the perfect balance that year as a player.

Kobe is running dudes off his team possibly so he can jack up shots to try and reach the individual accolade of all-time scoring leader. It's the only accomplishment of significance that he could possibly have over better players like Jordan, LeBron, Bird, etc.

That's also the significance of why he claimed it was "his team" before Dwight even got there. Which marginalized Dwight instead of building him up to help the team win. It's also why Kobe really didn't put much effort on defense, or trying to play make for others early in the season.

Of course he did try playing selfless once things got too bad for the Lakers and the national criticism started rolling in. Which once again made him seem fake and contrived.

But his obvious efforts for scoring, and lack of effort in involving teammates or playing defense made everyone on the Lakers not want to play hard for him. Thus they weren't winning.

Kobe has an agenda, and it has nothing to do with winning I believe. He's all about putting points on the board at the expense of EVERYTHING else. Including winning.

As a 17 year veteran, you don't act the way Kobe did this year as a man really trying to win a championship. Too many talented teammates at his disposal that were waisted with his selfish approach.


You're dumber by the minute. There is a time when you gotta realize you should stop posting........

Haters running wild in this thread....all kinds of stupidity thrown around wow. The "cred" you tried to built in previous threads in earlier months has been demolished lately.......aka an alt account. Save yourself from ISH bro...

[Jacks3]

SamuraiSwish must be really close to Kobe.

He knows exactly what Kobe wants.

Or maybe he's just a mind reader.

Amazing.

:bowdown:

[Goldrush25]

:facepalm Insidehoops possibly the highest collection of low IQ morons on the internet. If Kobe had said the Lakers would be Dwights team you idiots would be like OMGZZ Kobe is a beta and admits he ain't shit without Dwight. If Kobe said nothing you idiots would be like OMGZ Kobe is trying to push Dwight off the Lakers. He said nothing wrong, he offered to work with Dwight and teach him what it takes to be a champion. Dwight Howard was bitching that Shaq didn't offer to take him under his wing and now Kobe does and he feels disrespected? Howard asked the Rockets if they could get another superstar with Chandler Parsons in the room :facepalm Dwight could learn a lot from Kobe and Nash, he could stay with an organization that's committed to championships and has the capspace to build a team around him next year. It's pathetic that this new generation of superstars don't want to work for anything and get offended when someone challenges to be legendary.

If Kobe had said something like what he said, but added that "I'm grooming you to take the reigns from me" then I would've said that's how a leader is supposed to lead. But what he did say comes off as condescending. He needed to spin it so that the message sent was that both he and Dwight could benefit from him signing with the Lakers, not as if Kobe would be doing him a favor.

All I've ever heard from Kobe since Howard got there is about how this is his team.

[MastaKilla]

Well yea, but I don't think he's trying to win a ring. He says that, but I don't believe it's the truth. If it was really trying to win within a team dynamic with all the talent they have ... he'd be playing like the mature, endearing leader we saw Kobe could've been as he was in 2008. He had the perfect balance that year as a player.

Kobe is running dudes off his team possibly so he can jack up shots to try and reach the individual accolade of all-time scoring leader. It's the only accomplishment of significance that he could possibly have over better players like Jordan, LeBron, Bird, etc.

That's also the significance of why he claimed it was "his team" before Dwight even got there. Which marginalized Dwight instead of building him up to help the team win. It's also why Kobe really didn't put much effort on defense, or trying to play make for others early in the season.

Of course he did try playing selfless once things got too bad for the Lakers and the national criticism started rolling in. Which once again made him seem fake and contrived.

But his obvious efforts for scoring, and lack of effort in involving teammates or playing defense made everyone on the Lakers not want to play hard for him. Thus they weren't winning.

Kobe has an agenda, and it has nothing to do with winning I believe. He's all about putting points on the board at the expense of EVERYTHING else. Including winning.

As a 17 year veteran, you don't act the way Kobe did this year as a man really trying to win a championship. Too many talented teammates at his disposal that were waisted with his selfish approach.

Your baseless assumptions on what Kobe is thinking/ what he wants is hilirous.

Kobe, the same guy who wanted out of LA b/c they werent built to win titles in the midst of averaging 35ppg and destroying scoring records is only interested in scoring now and is running players off the Lakers so he can score more :lol

[SCdac]

Kobe to Howard (and Shaq and Bynum): Let me show you the door...

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/487/457/106509363_crop_650x440.jpg

[Jacks3]

Kobe: 5 rings
Sperms: 4

:oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

I guess he gave Love and LMA the same weak shtick and they flat out LOL'd

CringeBe

[red1]

I guess he gave Love and LMA the same weak shtick and they flat out LOL'd

CringeBe
kobe is a legend and dwight is a clown

































this thread is still hilarious

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/85/1f/9b/851f9b4f69d3b9b8f5d7bdafe9a27ebf.gif

[Droid101]

CringeBe
You would know.



Lebron goes to the dentist: "Lebron we'll go ahead and put four crowns in - one for each of the King's MVP's!" Everyone chuckles.

Kobe goes to the dentist: "Uhh, Kobe you dont even have any fillings, why do you keep begging us to put a crown in?? There's no reason for giving you a crown. Ok, ok, fine, we'll put in one just to make you happy..."

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=372700&page=2

[HOoopCityJones]

You would know.




http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=372700&page=2

Yikes...:oldlol:

[PickernRoller]

You would know.


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=372700&page=2

lol...

[Akrazotile]

You would know.




http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=372700&page=2


Bro. Not cool.

Not even any need to bring some shit like that up. The focus here is on CRINGEBE.

[warriorfan]

Bro. Not cool.

Not even any need to bring some shit like that up. The focus here is on CRINGEBE.

Isn't CRINGEBE your nickname doe?

[FultzNationRISE]

Wow.

In the end, Lebron taught Dwight to be a champion #FORKOBE :lebronamazed:


Incredible.

[LAmbruh]

Wow.

In the end, Lebron taught Dwight to be a champion #FORKOBE :lebronamazed:


Incredible.
Savage bump:roll:


#archived

[FultzNationRISE]

Savage bump:roll:


#archived

Just another testament by Sir Packsalot as to what can be achieved when you #StriveForGreatness.

We are so blessed :cry: :bowdown:

[Axe]

Wow.

In the end, Lebron taught Dwight to be a champion #FORKOBE :lebronamazed:


Incredible.
What makes it even more crazier is the fact that the last time the lakers made the playoffs before last year, dwight was also in it. In 2013.