Concern: Pro Bush 'Traditionalists' Suck. Their views are based on withholding rights

[XxNeXuSxX]

(Posted in OT, but I want to hear some people's opinions)

Bill O'Reilly claims there is a "culture war" happening throughout America where 'Secular progressives' or commonly known as "Sp's" are trying to change our 'beloved USA'. Not only is Bill O'Reilly the most arrogant bigot bastard that has a TV show, they have a special network made specially for kissing the as$ of the Bush administration.

Let me go over the basic pro-Bush "Traditionalist" values


For a senseless war
For pointless death penalties
hypocritically then against abortion
Somehow against stem cell research to cure cancer
Don't "Believe" in global warming
Some still for segregation
Against minimum wage (actually has a reason, unlike the rest)
Anti Gay Marriage
Don't believe in separation of state and church (Hell, ask P-Rob, he still thinks it isn't)
For Domestic spying
For warrant less searches
For warrant less wire tapping on domestic lines
Anti first amendment
Anti Marijuana


That's just a small portion of the list that these people believe in.

Now, don't get these people confused with true right wingers + libertarians. Their are good conservatives who still believe in personal freedoms. For example, Libertarians, known for their "Far right economic views" hate to be considered right wing; This is because they don't believe in the one way spectrum, just because they are 100% for capitalism, they truly believe in small government. They aren't with held by these pro Bush idiots, they believe in decriminalization of Marijuana, Stem cell research, Anti patriot act... they are for the constitution as true right-wingers should be.

Now, for the pro-Bushers: What the hell is wrong with these people? Do they have a mental defect? I mean, everything that goes wrong in this country, they just blame on liberals without reason or rationale. True, only about 30% of the country still approve of Bush, but that's 30% too f*cking many. Anyone who thinks they should give up personal freedom for a false sense of security should be deported.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

---Benjamin Franklin

Why are people against Stem cell research? I mean, there is a reason (although irrational) for being against abortion, but to be against Stem Cell research has no logical reasoning behind it. All that it proves being against it is that people are anti-science and purely blind pro-catholicism. Now, I'm not anti Christian, hell I'm a baptist myself. But, I'm annoyed by people who withhold reason when they vote.

Now eliminating it down, it is shown that 95% of the Bush supporters are one or more of the following:

Neo-Nazi
White Supremacist
Classic Nazi
Blinded Catholic/Protestant followers
Fascists
Anti Gay (Hardaway voted for Bush)
Or simply not educated enough to understand politics

Now, that worries me that that big of a chunk of our population(30%) is still degraded down into these people classes.

I'll stop for now.

[kwajo]

While I agree with many opinions you have, and I do not like the direction the USA is taking, I must say that your post and the way in which you have expressed your view is just as bad as O'Reilly's, only in the opposite direction.

The real lesson here is that both sides (hell ALL sides, because we all know there are more than two), need a little more compassion and perhaps few more open ears before any real progress is made in society.

[demons2005]

rofl your arrogance is amazing esp. when you consider the fact that you might have died in another terror attack if not for Bush's policies. Terror attacks on US Soil since 9-11 = 0.

[XxNeXuSxX]

rofl your arrogance is amazing esp. when you consider the fact that you might have died in another terror attack if not for Bush's policies. Terror attacks on US Soil since 9-11 = 0.
How many did we have before 9/11 idiot? What proof do you have that Bush thwarted even one of these attempts?

We've only had a terror attack while Bush was in office.

[XxNeXuSxX]

While I agree with many opinions you have, and I do not like the direction the USA is taking, I must say that your post and the way in which you have expressed your view is just as bad as O'Reilly's, only in the opposite direction.

The real lesson here is that both sides (hell ALL sides, because we all know there are more than two), need a little more compassion and perhaps few more open ears before any real progress is made in society.
I'm not anti-conservative though, I'm anti Bush. There is a large difference that makes it. Hell, I voted libertarian my first election.

[demons2005]

How many did we have before 9/11 idiot? What proof do you have that Bush thwarted even one of these attempts?
There have been several foiled terrorist plots since then maybe you just don't read the news and that's why you have the opinions you have.

Not to mention there are probably many more that are classified and we'll learn about 25 years from now.

If you think the terrorists were satisfied with 9/11 and don't want to kill you anymore, think again.

[demons2005]

I'm not anti-conservative though, I'm anti Bush. There is a large difference that makes it. Hell, I voted libertarian my first election.
uh... libertarians are extreme liberals. Liberalization of social values and liberalization of the economy. They believe in getting high and letting america fall apart.

[XxNeXuSxX]

There have been several foiled terrorist plots since then maybe you just don't read the news and that's why you have the opinions you have.

Not to mention there are probably many more that are classified and we'll learn about 25 years from now.

If you think the terrorists were satisfied with 9/11 and don't want to kill you anymore, think again.
Please source, that's bullsh*t. This is exactly how Bush got re-elected. He tried to scare the general population that we could be hit with a terror attack any second and we should all be willing to give up all of our constitutional rights in the process for security. Sounds to me like the beginning of a police state.

The whole color coded terror chart is their for one purpose, to make the general populous afraid.

[XxNeXuSxX]

uh... libertarians are extreme liberals. Liberalization of social values and liberalization of the economy. They believe in getting high and letting america fall apart.
You are an idiot.

[demons2005]

Please source, that's bullsh*t. This is exactly how Bush got re-elected. He tried to scare the general population that we could be hit with a terror attack any second and we should all be willing to give up all of our constitutional rights in the process for security. Sounds to me like the beginning of a police state.

The whole color coded terror chart is their for one purpose, to make the general populous afraid.lol it's not a police state otherwise you couldn't type your dumb stuff.

Id rather live in a police state than a dead state lol

[XxNeXuSxX]

lol it's not a police state otherwise you couldn't type your dumb stuff.

Id rather live in a police state than a dead state lol
Yeah LOL, hilarious. Type your bullsh*t, we are moving towards police state with this administration, Cheney being a fascist himself. This is the first time we have taken steps towards that direction.

Hell, let's just make up reasons to go to war! OH WAIT! We already did that!

[ALlArOuNDPIaya]

Yeah LOL, hilarious. Type your bullsh*t, we are moving towards police state with this administration, Cheney being a fascist himself. This is the first time we have taken steps towards that direction.

Hell, let's just make up reasons to go to war! OH WAIT! We already did that!
:oldlol: Bush supporters= Kobe supporters!

[VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]

I'm not anti-conservative though, I'm anti Bush. There is a large difference that makes it. Hell, I voted libertarian my first election.



:applause: you are a good man.

[TMacsOneGoodEye]

It's more the Christians fault then it is Bush's.

Bush can go "I'm gonna allow Bin Laden to knock down the towers so we can start a war with iraq, it doesn't make much sense, but, come on! TRUST ME"

And the Christians are silent.

Bush can go "I'm gonna become president and take away a ton of your civil liberties, just trust me!"

And the Christians are silent.

Bush then goes "I believe in Jesus and god and all that bullcrap, and will stop abortion or whatever. vote for me!"

And the Christians cheer and chant "USA!, USA!, USA!" on the way to the polls.

Why can't terrorism just go after the brainwashed Christians and not the rest of us non-brainwashed Americans?

[Timmeh]

Bill O'Reilly is an idiot and people who support his views are just as stupid. He's arrogant, egotistical and he will believe he is right even if proven wrong.

Bush is not necessarily a bad President. Nixon was a bad President, Andrew Johnson was a bad President, John Quincy Adams was a bad President. Yes, Bush hasn't exactly been a saint in office, but he's not a complete ****-up like everyone makes him out to be. I believe he has good intentions for what he does, but he just doesn't carry his agenda out like he should. Like I've said all along, Kerry probably wouldn't be doing much better right now.


For a senseless war The war isn't senseless, Saddam Hussein needed to be removed. We should have just done that, rebuilt Iraq, and left, but now we're getting involved with Iran and that's a mistake.

For pointless death penalties Some are pointless, yes, but I believe if you kill someone out of spite, you should be killed too.

hypocritically then against abortion Abortion is murder. Now, I'm not going to go off on the idea of choice and life, but the little kid is alive in the mother's womb. If the mother doesn't want it, put it up for adoption.

Somehow against stem cell research to cure cancer That ties into abortion. But I don't know a lot of the specifics on it to comment.

Don't "Believe" in global warming I don't and I won't until the polar ice caps melt and cause a global flood. New York has 12 feet of snow on the ground. Down here in NC is 30 degrees outside and it's been like that for the past two weeks. I do believe that industry and manufacturing has harmed the atmosphere, but not to the point where it's going to melt the planet.

Some still for segregation Don't matter what color you are, you're still human. I do know some people who are racist and are in denial about it. But I also consider the whole "Black America" thing which a lot of blacks so strongly support screams out segregation to me. The past is behind us let's just move on with our lives.

Against minimum wage (actually has a reason, unlike the rest) I support raising minimum wage mainly because a lot of people can only get minimum wage jobs. Also, raising minimum wage will encourage the lazy bums living off of welfare to get up and work.

Anti Gay Marriage I'm against gay marriage for the sole reason that it's not progressive. Two gay people can't have a kid. A man and a woman can have a kid, the kid can grow up and contribute to the economy.

Don't believe in separation of state and church (Hell, ask P-Rob, he still thinks it isn't) I believe that the government shouldn't interfere with the church.

For Domestic spying
For warrant less searches
For warrant less wire tapping on domestic lines
Anti first amendment I don't really know much about the arguments to comment.

Anti Marijuana I only support marijuana for prescription use only, not recreational drug use. But that's just me.

I go to a highly conservative Free Will Baptist school and I disagree with a lot of the crap they believe in. They are prejudice, racist, and downright ignorant. They go on what they've been taught and raised on and they preach it with oppression. I will admit I don't know a lot about politics mainly because it doesn't interest me, but I will support my President no matter how big of a screw-up he may be.

[VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]

It's more the Christians fault then it is Bush's.

Bush can go "I'm gonna allow Bin Laden to knock down the towers so we can start a war with iraq, it doesn't make much sense, but, come on! TRUST ME"

And the Christians are silent.

Bush can go "I'm gonna become president and take away a ton of your civil liberties, just trust me!"

And the Christians are silent.

Bush then goes "I believe in Jesus and god and all that bullcrap, and will stop abortion or whatever. vote for me!"

And the Christians cheer and chant "USA!, USA!, USA!" on the way to the polls.

Why can't terrorism just go after the brainwashed Christians and not the rest of us non-brainwashed Americans?




I think the terrorists are. I mean the Islamic fundamentalists (who believe the koran to the letter in his purity, especially the "Kill, murder, rape, imprison, all infidels who do not believe in teh glory of Allah" line.

i mean, they view the US as a Christian/Jewish state and they want to eliminate them in a holy war that stretches back to the Crusades. anyone else who is caught in the crossfire (whether atheist or Middle Americans or w/e) are simply collateral damage to terrorists.

[TMacsOneGoodEye]

I think the terrorists are. I mean the Islamic fundamentalists (who believe the koran to the letter in his purity, especially the "Kill, murder, rape, imprison, all infidels who do not believe in teh glory of Allah" line.

i mean, they view the US as a Christian/Jewish state and they want to eliminate them in a holy war that stretches back to the Crusades. anyone else who is caught in the crossfire (whether atheist or Middle Americans or w/e) are simply collateral damage to terrorists.

That's a good point. But there has to be a way that we can be like "Hey, these are the people you hate. HAVE THEM and leave the rest of us alone"

I think without the Christians this country would really be a better place for liberals & conservatives alike.

[VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]

That's a good point. But there has to be a way that we can be like "Hey, these are the people you hate. HAVE THEM and leave the rest of us alone"

I think without the Christians this country would really be a better place for liberals & conservatives alike.



:oldlol: while that brings up a valid point, who has the guts to essentially declare people for murder like that? Bush may... but only if it were the minorities whom he hates.

[TMacsOneGoodEye]

Bill O'Reilly is an idiot and people who support his views are just as stupid. He's arrogant, egotistical and he will believe he is right even if proven wrong.

Bush is not necessarily a bad President. Nixon was a bad President, Andrew Johnson was a bad President, John Quincy Adams was a bad President. Yes, Bush hasn't exactly been a saint in office, but he's not a complete ****-up like everyone makes him out to be. I believe he has good intentions for what he does, but he just doesn't carry his agenda out like he should. Like I've said all along, Kerry probably wouldn't be doing much better right now.

The war isn't senseless, Saddam Hussein needed to be removed. We should have just done that, rebuilt Iraq, and left, but now we're getting involved with Iran and that's a mistake.
Some are pointless, yes, but I believe if you kill someone out of spite, you should be killed too.
Abortion is murder. Now, I'm not going to go off on the idea of choice and life, but the little kid is alive in the mother's womb. If the mother doesn't want it, put it up for adoption.
That ties into abortion. But I don't know a lot of the specifics on it to comment.
I don't and I won't until the polar ice caps melt and cause a global flood. New York has 12 feet of snow on the ground. Down here in NC is 30 degrees outside and it's been like that for the past two weeks. I do believe that industry and manufacturing has harmed the atmosphere, but not to the point where it's going to melt the planet.
Don't matter what color you are, you're still human. I do know some people who are racist and are in denial about it. But I also consider the whole "Black America" thing which a lot of blacks so strongly support screams out segregation to me. The past is behind us let's just move on with our lives.
I support raising minimum wage mainly because a lot of people can only get minimum wage jobs. Also, raising minimum wage will encourage the lazy bums living off of welfare to get up and work.
I'm against gay marriage for the sole reason that it's not progressive. Two gay people can't have a kid. A man and a woman can have a kid, the kid can grow up and contribute to the economy.
I believe that the government shouldn't interfere with the church.
I don't really know much about the arguments to comment.
I only support marijuana for prescription use only, not recreational drug use. But that's just me.

I go to a highly conservative Free Will Baptist school and I disagree with a lot of the crap they believe in. They are prejudice, racist, and downright ignorant. They go on what they've been taught and raised on and they preach it with oppression. I will admit I don't know a lot about politics mainly because it doesn't interest me, but I will support my President no matter how big of a screw-up he may be.

You typed all of that just to show that you're the type of person we all want the terrorists to attack and leave the rest of us alone?

[TMacsOneGoodEye]

:oldlol: while that brings up a valid point, who has the guts to essentially declare people for murder like that? Bush may... but only if it were the minorities whom he hates.

Ironically, I bet Gods the only one.

He needs to come down and be like "Kill these moronic followers of mine! Their a pain in the ass!"

[VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]

you do know Kerry may have won the Election in 2004 if Margaret Marshall decided to wait a little longer before declaring gay marriage legal... right? wait until at least after the election when Kerry may have won, or do it way before.

[VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]

Ironically, I bet Gods the only one.

He needs to come down and be like "Kill these moronic followers of mine! Their a pain in the ass!"




to me, going to Church and following the Bible is a morality thing. I do it so I can be in congregation with others, and be a moral person who will not, say cheat on his wife, do sinful things, murder people, or be a sleaze, etc...


the rest of the extremely pious actions such as no sex before marriage, or the new founded city slickers are destroying family values, etc... those things I can do without.


all the fundamental beliefs were rooted from a time when people lived in huts and shacks and science was mainlydesigned to turn lead into gold. I think in our new culture, we can do without those things.

[geeWiz15]

I think without the Christians this country would really be a better place for liberals & conservatives alike.
yes because Christians are the only religious group that has an extreme sect that can be manipulated. you realize America is 80% Christian right? why is it so damn popular to hate Christians? it's like a bitter liberal cynic's heaven. just blame the religion, not human nature, take an extreme 2%'s craziness and maybe 10-20%'s swayed voting and make it the scapegoat for all our country's problems.

[TMacsOneGoodEye]

to me, going to Church and following the Bible is a morality thing. I do it so I can be in congregation with others, and be a moral person who will not, say cheat on his wife, do sinful things, murder people, or be a sleaze, etc...


the rest of the extremely pious actions such as no sex before marriage, or the new founded city slickers are destroying family values, etc... those things I can do without.


all the fundamental beliefs were rooted from a time when people lived in huts and shacks and science was mainlydesigned to turn lead into gold. I think in our new culture, we can do without those things.

I have no problem with people who use religion as a way to feel better about themselves and to lead a good/safe life.

It's the people that use religion as a way to control people who don't believe in the same things.

Religion behind closed doors is fine. It's your own private thing, but once you bring it into MY LIFE I don't like it.

I don't like the way people vote for their religion instead of what will make their life better. It upsets me.

I'm one of the people that feels this country, no world, would be ALOT better off without the south. Just awful human beings there. And I find it hilarious that Jesus can't stop them from dying of heart disease.

[nashforprez]

Bill O'Reilly is an idiot and people who support his views are just as stupid. He's arrogant, egotistical and he will believe he is right even if proven wrong.

Bush is not necessarily a bad President. Nixon was a bad President, Andrew Johnson was a bad President, John Quincy Adams was a bad President. Yes, Bush hasn't exactly been a saint in office, but he's not a complete ****-up like everyone makes him out to be. I believe he has good intentions for what he does, but he just doesn't carry his agenda out like he should. Like I've said all along, Kerry probably wouldn't be doing much better right now.

The war isn't senseless, Saddam Hussein needed to be removed. We should have just done that, rebuilt Iraq, and left, but now we're getting involved with Iran and that's a mistake.
Some are pointless, yes, but I believe if you kill someone out of spite, you should be killed too.
Abortion is murder. Now, I'm not going to go off on the idea of choice and life, but the little kid is alive in the mother's womb. If the mother doesn't want it, put it up for adoption.
That ties into abortion. But I don't know a lot of the specifics on it to comment.
I don't and I won't until the polar ice caps melt and cause a global flood. New York has 12 feet of snow on the ground. Down here in NC is 30 degrees outside and it's been like that for the past two weeks. I do believe that industry and manufacturing has harmed the atmosphere, but not to the point where it's going to melt the planet.
Don't matter what color you are, you're still human. I do know some people who are racist and are in denial about it. But I also consider the whole "Black America" thing which a lot of blacks so strongly support screams out segregation to me. The past is behind us let's just move on with our lives.
I support raising minimum wage mainly because a lot of people can only get minimum wage jobs. Also, raising minimum wage will encourage the lazy bums living off of welfare to get up and work.
I'm against gay marriage for the sole reason that it's not progressive. Two gay people can't have a kid. A man and a woman can have a kid, the kid can grow up and contribute to the economy.
I believe that the government shouldn't interfere with the church.
I don't really know much about the arguments to comment.
I only support marijuana for prescription use only, not recreational drug use. But that's just me.

I go to a highly conservative Free Will Baptist school and I disagree with a lot of the crap they believe in. They are prejudice, racist, and downright ignorant. They go on what they've been taught and raised on and they preach it with oppression. I will admit I don't know a lot about politics mainly because it doesn't interest me, but I will support my President no matter how big of a screw-up he may be.

you are my twin.

[nashforprez]

btw this country was formed on moral, christian beliefs and ever since the country has moved away from being moral, it has decayed. true traditionalists call for a return to the beliefs that began this country

[XxNeXuSxX]

btw this country was formed on moral, christian beliefs and ever since the country has moved away from being moral, it has decayed. true traditionalists call for a return to the beliefs that began this country
Are you referring to Segregation and slavery? :D

[reppy]

yes because Christians are the only religious group that has an extreme sect that can be manipulated. you realize America is 80% Christian right? why is it so damn popular to hate Christians? it's like a bitter liberal cynic's heaven. just blame the religion, not human nature, take an extreme 2%'s craziness and maybe 10-20%'s swayed voting and make it the scapegoat for all our country's problems.

Because 60 million Americans are evangelicals. Therefore, they refuse to believe in evolution, global warming, in some cases dinosaurs, that the world is older than 6000 years, etc. We can never have any sort of peace in the Middle East because they believe that if Israel does not exist exactly as it did in the Old Testament that Jesus will never return. So that means funneling billions of dollars to Israel so they can continue the occupation and annexation of Palestinian land. All the while, gaining the ire of Islamic fundamentalists. And then we scratch our heads and say, "Why did they attack us on 9/11?" :hammerhead:

Can you imagine if there were 60 million PETA members? "No! I refuse to let you test medicine on animals because it's immoral! I don't care if humans die because of it, either!"

BTW VCDrivesAPorchse, you need to stop with that lame anti-Islam line. Or post some verses from the Qur'an that back you up. But before you do that, I recommend you:

1) verify the source and translation. Is it a legitimate translation? Someone that knows Arabic? Approved by the Saudi courts?
2) What's the context? Have you read the verses before and after? Does it apply to any time or is it strictly wartime? The Qur'an forbids making war on others unless they have made war on you; do not "transgress the limits."
3) Prove that it's "worse" than anything Moses or any of the prophets of the Old Testament did.


Also, the "color coded" security warning is the biggest hoax ever. Not only is it used for political gain, it actually tells the terrorists when NOT to attack. "Hey guys, we're gonna be on the look out for you.. so don't do anything today!" Gee, I wonder what happens when they get that memo.

[geeWiz15]

btw this country was formed on moral, christian beliefs and ever since the country has moved away from being moral, it has decayed.
oh yeah, decayed. it's so much worse now that we're not beating our wives, enslaving our blacks, and murdering our indigenous population. why? THE GAYS ARE MARRYING!

[IlliniFan]

Because 60 million Americans are evangelicals. Therefore, they refuse to believe in evolution, global warming, in some cases dinosaurs, that the world is older than 6000 years, etc. We can never have any sort of peace in the Middle East because they believe that if Israel does not exist exactly as it did in the Old Testament that Jesus will never return. So that means funneling billions of dollars to Israel so they can continue the occupation and annexation of Palestinian land. All the while, gaining the ire of Islamic fundamentalists. And then we scratch our heads and say, "Why did they attack us on 9/11?" :hammerhead:

Can you imagine if there were 60 million PETA members? "No! I refuse to let you test medicine on animals because it's immoral! I don't care if humans die because of it, either!"

BTW VCDrivesAPorchse, you need to stop with that lame anti-Islam line. Or post some verses from the Qur'an that back you up. But before you do that, I recommend you:

1) verify the source and translation. Is it a legitimate translation? Someone that knows Arabic? Approved by the Saudi courts?
2) What's the context? Have you read the verses before and after? Does it apply to any time or is it strictly wartime? The Qur'an forbids making war on others unless they have made war on you; do not "transgress the limits."
3) Prove that it's "worse" than anything Moses or any of the prophets of the Old Testament did.


Also, the "color coded" security warning is the biggest hoax ever. Not only is it used for political gain, it actually tells the terrorists when NOT to attack. "Hey guys, we're gonna be on the look out for you.. so don't do anything today!" Gee, I wonder what happens when they get that memo.
Good Post. :applause:

[reppy]

btw this country was formed on moral, christian beliefs and ever since the country has moved away from being moral, it has decayed. true traditionalists call for a return to the beliefs that began this country

That's fine and all except for when they want to use government funds to promote religion. Or have everything to do with God.


"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

[IlliniFan]

The war isn't senseless, Saddam Hussein needed to be removed. We should have just done that, rebuilt Iraq, and left, but now we're getting involved with Iran and that's a mistake.
Ok, why don't we go around the world and just remove all the evil dictators... The war is senseless. We get attacked by Bin Laden who has no connections to Hussien, but instead of focusing all of our attention on going after him, we make up some bull**** about Weapons of Mass Destruction and get ourselves stuck in Iraq for a good 5 years getting our own soldiers killed every day with no end to this "war" in sight. Great plan Mr. President...

[KnicksForever]

evavgelicals need to go back in time and live with the cavemen. they're too stubborn and full of themselves. science is everywhere and yet they can't see it. not to mention that the bible has been disproved time and time again.

as for Mr. bush and what he's trying to accomplish, have you ever heard of weapons industrial complex? besides natural resources weapons is number 2 money-maker of a powerful country. china, india, the us, iran, the us, etc. look where all these weapons/gadgets of war are coming from. bush isn't the only one to blame. they are a bunch of wealthy and powerful people and nations that are behind all these wars that are happening in the world. these people will do anything at any cost to make sure that there will be some wars going on in the world every now and then so they can make profits out of it by selling their old weapons to the puppeted countries. this is sad but true, and the us is one of the countries and the main country that are making/will make a lot of money out of selling weapons that they don't need anymore to the world. this is one of Mr. president's goals which will take some time for him to succeed. he, though, had completed his first mission, oil.

[geeWiz15]

Because 60 million Americans are evangelicals. Therefore, they refuse to believe in evolution, global warming, in some cases dinosaurs, that the world is older than 6000 years, etc.
no they're not. that's 15% of the population. I'd be surprised if 15% of the population cares enough about their religion to begin with, much less take it that far out of hand. you probably got that number from some paranoid liberal website that knows you can't track those numbers so they just make up a really high sounding number.


We can never have any sort of peace in the Middle East because they believe that if Israel does not exist exactly as it did in the Old Testament that Jesus will never return. So that means funneling billions of dollars to Israel so they can continue the occupation and annexation of Palestinian land. All the while, gaining the ire of Islamic fundamentalists. And then we scratch our heads and say, "Why did they attack us on 9/11?"
or, maybe we're throwing a group of oppressed people a bone by giving them their own state in the same area as their holy land. oh no. that makes too much sense.

the Insane Christian Right is a problem but you guys are just acting like them here. making up statistics. blowing things out of proportion. suggesting the country would be better off if half of it were blown up in smoke or whatever. it's a bunch of crazy little white people who because of their nature HAPPEN to have more of a mainstream audience than their crazy liberal counterparts. it's not a whole country of scary brainwashed nutsos who want to make America a police state. 80+% of America is not ideological. their votes/opinions aren't even based on faulty information that the media feeds them; it's based on no information at ALL.

the ones to be mad at are the fear mongerers and the ones who know how to play with the emotions of large blocs of people. they know what America's composed of and how to win votes. and it isn't by brainwashing America. it's by ticking them emotionally around election time. and it's easier for conservatives to do that than liberals because by nature liberalism requires more thought. that's why they do better in elections. the only way liberals get anything is if conservatives screw up so badly that even the busy voter who doesn't have any awareness of what's going on knows, "um, I'm not voting for these guys anymore."

so the problem isn't one big sect of America that wants to brainwash us and destroy the country. it's not conservatives or liberals, it's not radicals of any kind and it's not ideology. it's laziness. we go for what's convenient and only like 10-15% of VOTERS vote based on ideology (and that's not even mentioning how many vote on *faulty* ideology which is that "Christian Right" you guys like to talk about) so that means 80% of the country bases their votes on either one issue, emotion, or whim. blame THAT. fix THAT. not a bunch of nutty Christians.


BTW VCDrivesAPorchse, you need to stop with that lame anti-Islam line. Or post some verses from the Qur'an that back you up. But before you do that, I recommend you:

1) verify the source and translation. Is it a legitimate translation? Someone that knows Arabic? Approved by the Saudi courts?
2) What's the context? Have you read the verses before and after? Does it apply to any time or is it strictly wartime? The Qur'an forbids making war on others unless they have made war on you; do not "transgress the limits."
3) Prove that it's "worse" than anything Moses or any of the prophets of the Old Testament did.
don't even bother. this dude is sub-stupid. goes to NYU so he thinks the entire country is one big liberal fruitcake. just to add fuel to his fire.


Also, the "color coded" security warning is the biggest hoax ever.
ya. I don't know how anybody could take themselves seriously and come up with that ****. I mean take a step back and analyze... am I really that ****ing stupid? to think this will help? why yes, yes I am.

[VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]

don't even bother. this dude is sub-stupid. goes to NYU so he thinks the entire country is one big liberal fruitcake. just to add fuel to his fire.




im a minority in a sea of left (New York City)


then again, Democrats are a "minority" in a sea of Republicans (how else did Bush win the election?) I thought you would understand.



Geewiz, your "keeping it real" is misleading. you think your versatility and candidness benefit you because it makes you unique. but once you reach the real arena, you'll know that it was no more than a childhood hoax.

[reppy]

im a minority in a sea of left (New York City)


then again, Democrats are a "minority" in a sea of Republicans (how else did Bush win the election?) I thought you would understand.

And the prior election, Bush lost the popular vote.

[reppy]

no they're not. that's 15% of the population. I'd be surprised if 15% of the population cares enough about their religion to begin with, much less take it that far out of hand. you probably got that number from some paranoid liberal website that knows you can't track those numbers so they just make up a really high sounding number.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

Really dude, where do you live? Goto the Bible belt or something. I live out in hick town.. ever heard someone say it's OK to bomb another country because they're not Christians? Unless you live near me, probably not.


or, maybe we're throwing a group of oppressed people a bone by giving them their own state in the same area as their holy land. oh no. that makes too much sense.

I never said Israel should be removed. However, they are currently outside of the boundaries they were given. Thus, problems arise. If they were to return to the 1967 boundaries, every Arab country would fully recognize them, as per a ruling by the Saudi courts..


the Insane Christian Right is a problem but you guys are just acting like them here. making up statistics. blowing things out of proportion. suggesting the country would be better off if half of it were blown up in smoke or whatever. it's a bunch of crazy little white people who because of their nature HAPPEN to have more of a mainstream audience than their crazy liberal counterparts. it's not a whole country of scary brainwashed nutsos who want to make America a police state. 80+% of America is not ideological. their votes/opinions aren't even based on faulty information that the media feeds them; it's based on no information at ALL.

I'd feel better if people used rationale instead of gut feelings or faith. Especially when it concerns the future of the world.



Unfortunately, I do not have much time at the moment. And those numbers that I just stated come from evangelicals themselves, not the "liberals".

In the movie movie "Jesus Camp", I believe Ted Haggard says it. He also says that if evangelicals vote, Republicans win. This isn't quoting some made up statistic from The Nation magazine or something. This is what the evangelical leaders (Robertson, Falwell, etc) say. They have huge television audiences. Vast networks. Etc.

Don't doubt their power. They're huge. They might not all be religious fanatics, or believe the world is only 6000 years old.. but I'd be willing to bet the majority of them do NOT believe in evolution or global warming. And that many of them believe that Jesus will not return until Israel is restored.

[nashforprez]

http://www.theocracywatch.org/



wow i just read what they wrote on u.s. schools and they throw a lot of mud at everybody

[different107]

btw this country was formed on moral, christian beliefs and ever since the country has moved away from being moral, it has decayed. true traditionalists call for a return to the beliefs that began this country

:applause:

[nashforprez]

"America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great."
-Alexis de Tocqueville

People just look at the Romans for example. They built a mighty empire with hard work and lost it because they became obsessed with vanities. America is heading down the same path because of the lack of morals and a floundering school system. You can put the blame on the president, you can put the blame on anyone you wish, but you have to look at yourself and ask am I doing all I can to better this country?
I know some of you are going to pull up the webpage where it states that the quote I used is fake but you should ask yourself is it really that important? Here I have pulled it up for you.http://www.tocqueville.org/pitney.htm

[The_Masterplan]

btw this country was formed on moral, christian beliefs and ever since the country has moved away from being moral, it has decayed. true traditionalists call for a return to the beliefs that began this country

YOU ARE SO ****ING WRONG.

The first people that came to this country from england were people who wanted gold and adventure and people who were the second son in the family and wouldnt get the fortune from his father.

I hate stupid people who believe that.

Nashforprez have you ever read the book "The Crucible?" Ok well eat this-they would put red letter "As" on women's chests for adulterer. Real kind. They would dip women in a sea for punishment for being a witch and they would throw women into water to test if they are a witch or not. If they could swim then they were a witch and would kill them and if they drowned they werent a witch but died anyways.

Awesome moral beliefs, seriously just awesome.

[XxNeXuSxX]

:applause:
Do you have anything to add? Because that really wasn't a good reason to defend Bush's actions... at all.

[The_Masterplan]

Tehre is no way to settle iraq unless you split them into three countries like it was at one point. Kurds, shi-ttes, and sunni.

[nashforprez]

Do you have anything to add? Because that really wasn't a good reason to defend Bush's actions... at all.

i didnt defend bushs actions

[SoCalMike]

This is one of those threads where it can go into so many different directions and create such controversy. I am torn on whether to jump into the fray. I think I won't.

I'd rather just keep on basketball.... we certainly have plenty to argue about there.... HAHAHA :D



:pimp:

[geeWiz15]

In the movie movie "Jesus Camp", I believe Ted Haggard says it. He also says that if evangelicals vote, Republicans win. This isn't quoting some made up statistic from The Nation magazine or something. This is what the evangelical leaders (Robertson, Falwell, etc) say.
of course the evangelical leaders say that. they want to make their followers think that they have a ton of control so they'll go out and vote. that doesn't mean it isn't greatly exaggerated just like everything else he says. their followings are pretty damn big but they aren't what's wrong with America. they're just flatout not. if every American could become a crazed ideologue of some sort things would be 100X better than they are now. the problem is that 85% of the country doesn't have a substantial opinion on a broad spectrum of issues, right OR wrong and are therefore swayed by emotion which is what the dirty conservatives currently in power take advantage of.

[apriorist]

You are a rambling psycho. I love it how idiots like you (i.e., liberals) call anyone who doesn't agree with them 'bigots' (I don't care if you say you're libertarian). How is Bill O'Reilly a bigot? By the way, I am *not* a big fan of him, he is a hard-ass, but how is he a bigot?

[XxNeXuSxX]

You are a rambling psycho. I love it how idiots like you (i.e., liberals) call anyone who doesn't agree with them 'bigots' (I don't care if you say you're libertarian). How is Bill O'Reilly a bigot? By the way, I am *not* a big fan of him, he is a hard-ass, but how is he a bigot?
Are you talking to me? If you don't think Bill O'Reilly is a bigot, you need to learn the definition child.

BTW: You already proved you don't have the comprehension to understand there is more than two political parties, therefore your liberal rants are retarded and void.

[XxNeXuSxX]

i didnt defend bushs actions
Good! :D

[reppy]

of course the evangelical leaders say that. they want to make their followers think that they have a ton of control so they'll go out and vote. that doesn't mean it isn't greatly exaggerated just like everything else he says. their followings are pretty damn big but they aren't what's wrong with America. they're just flatout not. if every American could become a crazed ideologue of some sort things would be 100X better than they are now. the problem is that 85% of the country doesn't have a substantial opinion on a broad spectrum of issues, right OR wrong and are therefore swayed by emotion which is what the dirty conservatives currently in power take advantage of.

Do you really think the majority of rational thinking people looked at George W. Bush and thought, "Now there's a guy that looks like he knows what's going on." And while you disagree with me at the beginning of your post, it seems like you agree with me at the end.

If you don't think evangelicals have a lot of power, look at the ratings for right-wing radio (Fox News, too; they pander to Christians A LOT) as well as Christian broadcasting. Why is there even a debate about evolution in this country? Why were schools in the Bible Belt teaching creationism alongside evolution? Are you kidding me?

I happen to think Bill O'Reilly is a bigot, and will illustrate if anyone cares.

Definition of bigot according to Dictionary.com: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

And I only have one thing to say to people who disagree with me: "SHUT UP!"

[XxNeXuSxX]

Buh bump.

[Juvenile]

The Christian right is in their core political theory as totalitarian as were the NS and Sowjet regimes.They believe that they have the absolute truth (bible) and that all political power should be subdued to one power that will uphold that truth. That is the very definition of a totalitarian regime. Absolute truth and absolute power.

There are other signs or criteria to a totalitarian regime.

Historicism, the defined outcome of the history of mankind. Commies had the class war leading to the rule of the proletariat. Nazis had the "Tausendj

[Howard5Dirk41]

I cant be for killing violent criminals and be against the killing of innocent babies?

TC is an idiot.

[Juvenile]

Actually, the argument is:

Killing fetuses in their mothers womb is murder, the fetuses are worth as much as any human being. Murder is not allowed, therefore abortion is not allowed.

If we agree that Christians cannot and shall not murder, we have to find a reason to allow killing a criminal. That reason would have to be, that said criminal lost his rights as a human being due to his crime. Christians cannot use that reason though, since their Lord Jesus Christ has died for the sins of mankind and all and everyone shall be forgiven. So how could someone lose his right to live?

Question now: How can you object abortion and be pro capital punishment? Say hello to bigotry!

[Rasheed1]

How can you object abortion and be pro capital punishment? Say hello to bigotry!

Hello Hypocracy?

But yeah, you are absolutely correct.. Cant preach the about the gift of life on one hand and support murder on the other.

Your God doesnt differentiate between government sanctioned murder and regular murder....Murder is murder..

You got guys who are soo 'pro-life' they bomb an abortion clinic and kill 10 people... WTF sense does that make?

People think God has enlisted them to kill others and force this view on people in God's name... God doesnt need you to murder people over abortion or Gay rights or a picture of Muhammad or interacial marriage or any of the things that men murder people for and do it in the name of their God....

[Howard5Dirk41]

Hello Hypocracy?

But yeah, you are absolutely correct.. Cant preach the about the gift of life on one hand and support murder on the other.

Your God doesnt differentiate between government sanctioned murder and regular murder....Murder is murder..

You got guys who are soo 'pro-life' they bomb an abortion clinic and kill 10 people... WTF sense does that make?

People think God has enlisted them to kill others and force this view on people in God's name... God doesnt need you to murder people over abortion or Gay rights or a picture of Muhammad or interacial marriage or any of the things that men murder people for and do it in the name of their God....

Just because I am christian doesn't mean I must agree with everything in the bible.

[Rasheed1]

Just because I am christian doesn't mean I must agree with everything in the bible.

Well, I dont know what type of christian you consider yourself to be in that case because the Bible is like a christian's heart....

Cant live without it..

You dont get to pick and choose what you will and what you wont adhere to....

Thats not christianity.....That's a facade....

[XxNeXuSxX]

I cant be for killing violent criminals and be against the killing of innocent babies?

TC is an idiot.
You are a toolbag

Ignorance at it's finest(While leaving out most of the details) Abortion is the destruction of a embryo, do you remember when you were an embryo? Of course you don't know why? It's not "life" it's defined as "potential life".

The same far right believes people should not use condoms or masturb8te because we are killing innocent babies as well. I'm not even joking, these people are insane. The same f*cking excuse is used as well, "All life is precious, and preventing sperm from going into the egg is murder". When do we f*cking draw the line from these idiots?

[XxNeXuSxX]

What p*sses me off more than anything is the "pro-lifers", much like PETA, would rather be against stem cell research (for some unknown, idiotic motive) and let a person who needs an internal organ die, rather than allowing people to continue stem cell research and construct bodily organs for those who currently need them. Hypocrisy....

Just like PETA, the lady in charge of PETA has her picture next to the definition of "hypocrite" in the dictionary. You probably have seen the tireless tirades about how we all should abandon products that have been tested on animals. Well guess what, when that very lady in charge of that area got diabetes, she had no problem taking that very thing she despised, taking diabetes medication tested on animals. When questioned, she simply stated her work is much more important in the long run. :oldlol:

[Heilige]

Well, I dont know what type of christian you consider yourself to be in that case because the Bible is like a christian's heart....

Cant live without it..

You dont get to pick and choose what you will and what you wont adhere to....

Thats not christianity.....That's a facade....


Nope. That's not true pal. I know alot of Christians who don't believe in everything the Bible says. They don't have to belieev th eBible is 100% infallible. YOU do not speak for all Christians. I don't think you know what Christianity is for you to say that.

[Heilige]

Hello Hypocracy?

But yeah, you are absolutely correct.. Cant preach the about the gift of life on one hand and support murder on the other.

Your God doesnt differentiate between government sanctioned murder and regular murder....Murder is murder..

You got guys who are soo 'pro-life' they bomb an abortion clinic and kill 10 people... WTF sense does that make?

People think God has enlisted them to kill others and force this view on people in God's name... God doesnt need you to murder people over abortion or Gay rights or a picture of Muhammad or interacial marriage or any of the things that men murder people for and do it in the name of their God....

Not al pro-life people want to bomb an abortion clinic. Stop generalizing people. You are just like the original poster of this thread. You generalize people. You seem to have an irrational hatred of Republicans along with XXenux.

Guess what? God called the army of Israel to kill their enemies. That included children and women. What are you going to say about that? Huh? Acting like you know the Bible. :roll:

And, YOU don't know God's thoughts on the death penalty. You're probably somebody who believes everything in the Bible is correct. Looks like somebody is in the religious right camp. :roll: :roll:

Rasheed and Xxeenux: OMGZ~!!!! Republicans and Bush IZ DEH EVILZ~!!!

[XxNeXuSxX]

Not al pro-life people want to bomb an abortion clinic. Stop generalizing people. You are just like the original poster of this thread. You generalize people. You seem to have an irrational hatred of Republicans along with XXenux.


Again, if you could read, I didn't generalize anyone. I even laid out categories of the people that support Bush, that's 95%, that's not a statistic I made up.



Guess what? God called the army of Israel to kill their enemies. That included children and women. What are you going to say about that? Huh? Acting like you know the Bible. :roll:

What the hell are you talking about?


And, YOU don't know God's thoughts on the death penalty. You're probably somebody who believes everything in the Bible is correct. Looks like somebody is in the religious right camp. :roll: :roll:
He never said he did, but pro-lifers don't know sh*t either. I believe his point was to side with logic rather than obscured irrational beliefs that make people hypocrites.


Rasheed and Xxeenux: OMGZ~!!!! Republicans and Bush IZ DEH EVILZ~!!!

There is a reason everyone hates America after the past 7 years, and it's not Barack O'Bama.

Plus, butchering my name gets you nowhere, is it really that tough to read it? :rolleyes:

[Heilige]

Again, if you could read, I didn't generalize anyone. I even laid out categories of the people that support Bush, that's 95%, that's not a statistic I made up.




What the hell are you talking about?

He never said he did, but pro-lifers don't know sh*t either. I believe his point was to side with logic rather than obscured irrational beliefs that make people hypocrites.



There is a reason everyone hates America after the past 7 years, and it's not Barack O'Bama.

Plus, butchering my name gets you nowhere, is it really that tough to read it? :rolleyes:


95% of the people who support Bush don't fall into those categories. You know it too. You don't have a link or anything. Do you think I'm going to believe that nonsense. It is not even worth debating with you when you imply everyone that supports Bush is a racist. You assume nazis,etc,etc vote Bush. Yeah. You think Republicans are racist. That's generalizing. You practically insulted everyone that votes Republican. You don't see anybody making anti-Democrat threads. You rbeliefs about who votes for Bush are illogical and irrational. Don't make any damn sense. I really hope you take back what you said.

[XxNeXuSxX]

95% of the people who support Bush don't fall into those categories. You know it too. You don't have a link or anything. Do you think I'm going to believe that nonsense. It is not even worth debating with you when you imply everyone that supports Bush is a racist. You assume nazis,etc,etc vote Bush. Yeah. You think Republicans are racist. That's generalizing. You practically insulted everyone that votes Republican. You don't see anybody making anti-Democrat threads. You rbeliefs about who votes for Bush are illogical and irrational. Don't make any damn sense. I really hope you take back what you said.

Take it back? :roll: I didn't come up with it. If you think it's wrong, please rebuke it.

We know around 30% of the country supports him, and people like Pat Robertson and the Global warming/Holocaust deniers are what makes up his support.

Watch, I bet if you asked pro-creationists even on this board like Euclaire, who do you think he supported in 2004?

Face it, he's lost support of the real GOP (Hell, ask Joe Scarborough), and he has to hide behind Fox News to make people believe he has support.

[Suns4Life]

I read the first post and a couple more after that and it was enough to make me never want to come back into this forum again. You kids get all this knowledge from your remedial history class and watching the daily show?

[Heilige]

Take it back? :roll: I didn't come up with it. If you think it's wrong, please rebuke it.

We know around 30% of the country supports him, and people like Pat Robertson and the Global warming/Holocaust deniers are what makes up his support.

Watch, I bet if you asked pro-creationists even on this board like Euclaire, who do you think he supported in 2004?

Face it, he's lost support of the real GOP (Hell, ask Joe Scarborough), and he has to hide behind Fox News to make people believe he has support.

I support him man. I don't even like Pat Robertson and all those other dickweeds. I know some people that support him but don't fall in those categories. I guess I can understand your point a little. Though, just because the majority doesn't support him doesn't mean they are right. The majority is not always right. Can you accept that. I am goign to give you a hypothetical situation. Say the majority of people didn't support or like MLK and what he stood for. Does that make them right? I know for a fact that during the American Revolution, in that time period a majority of people did not supprt the American colonies. Does that make them right? Bottom line is just because someone doesn't have majority support doesn't mean the person is bad.

[XxNeXuSxX]

I read the first post and a couple more after that and it was enough to make me never want to come back into this forum again. You kids get all this knowledge from your remedial history class and watching the daily show?
How humorous. :rollingeyes:


I support him man. I don't even like Pat Robertson and all those other dickweeds. I know some people that support him but don't fall in those categories. I guess I can understand your point a little. Though, just because the majority doesn't support him doesn't mean they are right. The majority is not always right. Can you accept that. I am goign to give you a hypothetical situation. Say the majority of people didn't support or like MLK and what he stood for. Does that make them right? I know for a fact that during the American Revolution, in that time period a majority of people did not supprt the American colonies. Does that make them right? Bottom line is just because someone doesn't have majority support doesn't mean the person is bad.

I'm glad you don't support Pat Robertson. But you told me earlier this year republicans sat out of the 04 election or voted Libertarian and now you are saying you have full support of him. And of course I can admit at times the majority isn't right, and your examples are well taken. Hell, I think Hitler had a high approval rate in Germany. :oldlol:

[Heilige]

(Posted in OT, but I want to hear some people's opinions)

Bill O'Reilly claims there is a "culture war" happening throughout America where 'Secular progressives' or commonly known as "Sp's" are trying to change our 'beloved USA'. Not only is Bill O'Reilly the most arrogant bigot bastard that has a TV show, they have a special network made specially for kissing the as$ of the Bush administration.

Let me go over the basic pro-Bush "Traditionalist" values


For a senseless war
For pointless death penalties
hypocritically then against abortion
Somehow against stem cell research to cure cancer
Don't "Believe" in global warming
Some still for segregation
Against minimum wage (actually has a reason, unlike the rest)
Anti Gay Marriage
Don't believe in separation of state and church (Hell, ask P-Rob, he still thinks it isn't)
For Domestic spying
For warrant less searches
For warrant less wire tapping on domestic lines
Anti first amendment
Anti Marijuana


That's just a small portion of the list that these people believe in.

Now, don't get these people confused with true right wingers + libertarians. Their are good conservatives who still believe in personal freedoms. For example, Libertarians, known for their "Far right economic views" hate to be considered right wing; This is because they don't believe in the one way spectrum, just because they are 100% for capitalism, they truly believe in small government. They aren't with held by these pro Bush idiots, they believe in decriminalization of Marijuana, Stem cell research, Anti patriot act... they are for the constitution as true right-wingers should be.

Now, for the pro-Bushers: What the hell is wrong with these people? Do they have a mental defect? I mean, everything that goes wrong in this country, they just blame on liberals without reason or rationale. True, only about 30% of the country still approve of Bush, but that's 30% too f*cking many. Anyone who thinks they should give up personal freedom for a false sense of security should be deported.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

---Benjamin Franklin

Why are people against Stem cell research? I mean, there is a reason (although irrational) for being against abortion, but to be against Stem Cell research has no logical reasoning behind it. All that it proves being against it is that people are anti-science and purely blind pro-catholicism. Now, I'm not anti Christian, hell I'm a baptist myself. But, I'm annoyed by people who withhold reason when they vote.

Now eliminating it down, it is shown that 95% of the Bush supporters are one or more of the following:

Neo-Nazi
White Supremacist
Classic Nazi
Blinded Catholic/Protestant followers
Fascists
Anti Gay (Hardaway voted for Bush)
Or simply not educated enough to understand politics

Now, that worries me that that big of a chunk of our population(30%) is still degraded down into these people classes.

I'll stop for now.


In true unbiased style. :oldlol: I'm glad you feel the need for both sides of the argument.

George Bush has convictions and sticks to them. I don't personally agree with half of his views, but I respect him as a person simply because he isn't a spineless jerk who would turn on you in an instant.

The issue with gay marriage arises from America's unwillingness to seperate the legal construct of marriage from the religious construct of marriage. I feel if we were to simply call these two constructs by seperate names, people would be (slightly) more willing to allow a legal union between two members of the same sex. But mostly it boils down to religious beliefs.

Laws are essentially based on morals, and some people believe that homosexuality is not moral. This extends to anti-abortion beliefs, which then extends to opposition against federally funded stem cell research. The issue isn't about the research, it's the source of the cells.

Your list of 95% of Bush supporters is misleading and essentially uses the same tactics that you oppose Bush-supporters using. It skews the facts so that people misconstrue what the underlying message is.

As a Bush supporter, let me see where I fit in!

Neo-Nazi - YEAH ZOMBIE HITLER FTW
White Supremacist - No, that can't be true! I had a black friend once!!
Classic Nazi - Only because I'm a snazzy dresser!
Blinded Catholic/Protestant followers - Well, I just read CS Lewis...
Fascists - You seem to have a hard-on for the Nazi theme here.
Anti Gay (Hardaway voted for Bush) - I support hot lesbians
Or simply not educated enough to understand politics - 4.0 GPA, 2350/2400 SAT, in a uni .gov class, accepted to fairly exclusive private liberal arts college.

Damn, you got me.

As easy as it is to say Bush is evil, Bush is selfish, Bush is in this conspiracy and that conspiracy, reality most likely lies elsewhere. Am I saying he's a perfect President? Nay. Am I saying I believe he HAS generally done his best to do what he felt was right, at the cost of his reputation, party, and legacy? Yes.

[The_Masterplan]

As easy as it is to say Bush is evil, Bush is selfish, Bush is in this conspiracy and that conspiracy, reality most likely lies elsewhere. Am I saying he's a perfect President? Nay. Am I saying I believe he HAS generally done his best to do what he felt was right, at the cost of his reputation, party, and legacy? Yes.

Heilige, nexus knows the majority isnt always right (as presented in the 2004 election) but bush is a FREAKING JOKE.

People say "o bush is so awesome because he doesnt go back on what he says."
Yet, what he does isnt working but he still keeps doing it and can only solve it by prolonging the problem. The british who were at 7,100 troops can control southern Iraq and pull out troops and the US sends in 120,000 troops (i know im off) and add another 21,000 to fix a never ending problem and still cant secure it. Does Bush have any logic whatsoever? Does he even think about what decisions he is making?

I seriously dont think he does. A texas politcian should never be a president. Why? Because the texas government blows and someone with that background isnt experience enough/credible enough to run for president.

If you want to know why the texas government is so screwed up. Just ask me.

[jamesalan9]

Sounds like lots of mindless little lemming communist pinkos on here. Pro-terrorist commie pinkos (aka liberals, democrats, progressives) want to turn America into a communist dump and destroy the constitution. Communist liberalism are the ones whose views are based on witholding rights, well they do not believe people have rights because they do not believe in a Creator. They believe government gives rights. Communist liberals believe oppressing people because that is the core to communism. The only good communist is a dead one!

[Rasheed1]

Nope. That's not true pal. I know alot of Christians who don't believe in everything the Bible says. They don't have to belieev th eBible is 100% infallible.

I know plenty of 'christians' who dont believe everything the bible says too..
they arent real christians ...... you dont get to splice Gods word, take some and leave the rest...accept what you like and reject the rest :oldlol:

dont make me laugh...

That what Im talking about when I talk about supposed 'christians' ignoring and twisting God's words to fit the will of men

the people who commit violence and oppresion in this manner are simply cowards who hide behind the shield of God's name to do the devil's work




YOU do not speak for all Christians. I don't think you know what Christianity is for you to say that.

I went to christian and catholic school my whole life...I was an alter boy.. I know about christianity and the nature of christians very well...

[Cannonball]

You know if we cut and run millions of Iraqi's will die, and it will be a HUGE victory for the terrorists.

[IlliniFan]

You know if we cut and run millions of Iraqi's will die, and it will be a HUGE victory for the terrorists.
Wow you sound exactly like Bush..Our troops are fighting a faceless enemy. They don't have another army to attack. They just sit there getting attacked and reacting. So lets send some more over there to die!!! Great Idea!!

[The_Masterplan]

Neo-Nazi - YEAH ZOMBIE HITLER FTW
White Supremacist - No, that can't be true! I had a black friend once!!
Classic Nazi - Only because I'm a snazzy dresser!
Blinded Catholic/Protestant followers - Well, I just read CS Lewis...
Fascists - You seem to have a hard-on for the Nazi theme here.
Anti Gay (Hardaway voted for Bush) - I support hot lesbians
Or simply not educated enough to understand politics - 4.0 GPA, 2350/2400 SAT, in a uni .gov class, accepted to fairly exclusive private liberal arts college.

Damn, you got me.

As easy as it is to say Bush is evil, Bush is selfish, Bush is in this conspiracy and that conspiracy, reality most likely lies elsewhere. Am I saying he's a perfect President? Nay. Am I saying I believe he HAS generally done his best to do what he felt was right, at the cost of his reputation, party, and legacy? Yes.

You said you were at a community college and that you were horrible at math. I am calling BS.

[XxNeXuSxX]

You said you were at a community college and that you were horrible at math. I am calling BS.
Lol of course it's BS. He said to AdamCZ he is in 9th grade.

[XxNeXuSxX]

You know if we cut and run millions of Iraqi's will die, and it will be a HUGE victory for the terrorists.
I'm sure they are so grateful of the 660,000 (Not made up) Iraqi civilians we have killed, right?

[Derek]

I'm no lover of George Bush, but let's be honest: Would it be any better if John Kerry was president?

[XxNeXuSxX]

I'm no lover of George Bush, but let's be honest: Would it be any better if John Kerry was president?
Probably. He at least said he would try to get troops out by 2006.

[MetsPackers]

:oldlol: I love how idiot Tmacsonegoodeye thinks that his athiests can somehow eliminate christians. I am going to estimate that the Christian in the US/world outnumber athiests 100fold.

[jamesalan9]

Probably. He at least said he would try to get troops out by 2006.

Of course he would, communist liberals support islamic terrorism!

[XxNeXuSxX]

Of course he would, communist liberals support islamic terrorism!
You fit into my first posts' criteria, congratulations.

[The_Masterplan]

damn. how can anyone support this fool? He is a complete joke.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Ok, why don't we go around the world and just remove all the evil dictators... The war is senseless. We get attacked by Bin Laden who has no connections to Hussien, but instead of focusing all of our attention on going after him, we make up some bull**** about Weapons of Mass Destruction and get ourselves stuck in Iraq for a good 5 years getting our own soldiers killed every day with no end to this "war" in sight. Great plan Mr. President...



How do you feel about Obamas presidency, if you dont mind my asking?

[OldSkoolball#52]

Probably. He at least said he would try to get troops out by 2006.


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