Stein: Warriors attempting to free up cap space to sign Dwight Howard

[D-Rose]

‏@ESPNSteinLine 14m

Going online now co-scribed w/ @WindhorstESPN: Warriors have begun aggressively shopping three expiring contracts to boost Dwight chances

The contracts are "Andrew Bogut ($14 million), Richard Jefferson ($11 million) and Andris Biedrins ($9 million)".

They want to try to sign Dwight outright. Will need to add 1st rounders or youngsters like Klay/Barnes to the deals.

Dwight is expected to make his decision by tomorrow so this could get fun!

[Brujesino]

We should be trying to get rid of Jefferson and Biedrins regardless of Dwight.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

I don't get how they are going to dump that kind of salary. To trade it, don't you need to get it back? I guess you can find a team way under the cap, but why would they use it on a worthless expirer or Bogut?

I'm ignoring the Klay, Barnes, and 1st part because it doesn't make sense to me to give up those assets.

[longtime lurker]

The contracts are "Andrew Bogut ($14 million), Richard Jefferson ($11 million) and Andris Biedrins ($9 million)".

They want to try to sign Dwight outright. Will need to add 1st rounders or youngsters like Klay/Barnes to the deals.

Dwight is expected to make his decision by tomorrow so this could get fun!

So essentially they gut their future for Dwight....by the time he gets there he won't have anyone to play with.

[Haymaker]

We should be trying to get rid of Jefferson and Biedrins regardless of Dwight.

This

[D-Rose]

Well it seems to me there'd need to be separate deals here. Perhaps some of them being 3 team trades. Warriors obviously not take back any salary. I think it would be worth giving up 3 1st rounders (1 for each expirer) if they can keep Klay, Barnes, Steph and Dwight commits.

[MastaKilla]

Warriors were a better team than the Lakers last year and now they're willing to give away their future for the Lakers 2nd best player...

[D-Rose]

Warriors were a better team than the Lakers last year and now they're willing to give away their future for the Lakers 2nd best player...
Please tell me that's not actually your methodology of logic :facepalm

[PickernRoller]

Chances?

What chances, he's making his decision tomorrow or so I have heard. Initial reports had monday but changed to this friday.

[miles berg]

Warriors were a better team than the Lakers last year and now they're willing to give away their future for the Lakers 2nd best player...


Wow, really? You can't be serious.

[D-Rose]

I could certainly see a team like Cleveland using Bogut at Center for this year while gaining a 1st rounder. Jefferson and Biedrins will be harder sells but they're all expirers and Warriors have draft picks...

[SpecialQue]

Yeah, and I'm getting my tongue ready to drop on Scarlett Johansson. My chances are just as good as the Warriors landing Dwight.

[DMAVS41]

They should do everything they can to get Howard. That cap space and future picks they have won't ever yield them something as good as Howard.

[D-Rose]

Yeah, and I'm getting my tongue ready to drop on Scarlett Johansson. My chances are just as good as the Warriors landing Dwight.
:oldlol:

That's not the least bit true.

Warriors have draft picks to tag with these expirers. It's not impossible to create this cap space.

Reports also say Dwight was very impressed with their presentation...and they provide a championship opportunity as well.

So, considering you will probably never even glimpse Scar Jo...

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

mmm...Scar Jo...

Anyway, I hope GSW doesn't land him. Great fit basketball-wise. Awful fit in every other way.

[MastaKilla]

Please tell me that's not actually your methodology of logic :facepalm

Do you really think adding Howard who hasn't proved that he's over his back injury and subtracting Bogut/Thompson really makes them that much better?

If the warriors were healthy for the playoffs they are title contenders with Curry & Lee playing at their all star level

[D-Rose]

This certainly says a lot about Dwight's position atm. No way would Warriors move all these picks and go through this hassle unless Dwight gave them some indication that he'd sign. Or something. tomorrow is going to be fun.

[unknowns8]

this trade has got about as much legitimacy as the Lebron James to Bulls talk did a few years ago ... D12 just playin these teams to beef up his own market value and to boost up his ego even more (is that even humanly possible??? :lol )

[D-Rose]

Do you really think adding Howard who hasn't proved that he's over his back injury and subtracting Bogut/Thompson really makes them that much better?

If the warriors were healthy for the playoffs they are title contenders with Curry & Lee playing at their all star level
No indication that Klay will be given up for now. BUT Dwight's numbers last year were good despite the back injury. They usually take a year to heal. Can you imagine him and Steph with solid role players playing for Mark Jackson? Dwight needs a coach like Jackson who fights for his players and believes in them no matter what.

[PejaNowitzki]

I don't get how they are going to dump that kind of salary. To trade it, don't you need to get it back? I guess you can find a team way under the cap, but why would they use it on a worthless expirer or Bogut?

I'm ignoring the Klay, Barnes, and 1st part because it doesn't make sense to me to give up those assets.


They could get rid of some of those expirers if they are willing to take some smaller, turrible contracts back. A team like Phoenix might be interested in Jefferson if the Warriors were willing to take back Michael Beasley and his $6 mil a year for two more seasons.

[R.I.P.]

Teams are not stupid. They

[Bobcats2013]

Boost Dwight Chances? Heh that's funny.

[D-Rose]

@MarkHeisler: Laker source told me they'd consider Barnes or Klay or Curry+Bogut+No. 1 for #D!2. GS hasn't yet offered HB/KT or SC

Don't know about the credibility of this guy but he's a LA writer and is followed by many of the reporters I follow on twitter.

Dwight must be behind this to SOME degree.

[longtime lurker]

Don't know about the credibility of this guy but he's a LA writer and is followed by many of the reporters I follow on twitter.

Dwight must be behind this to SOME degree.

Bogut+Curry+#1. Deal! No take backs!

[D-Rose]

Let's not forget the unique position of Mr. Logo in all this...

[R.I.P.]

That dumb mofo. Of course he

[D-Rose]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]That dumb mofo. Of course he

[Kurosawa0]

If I'm Cleveland, and I'm serious about making the playoffs, I'd totally take back Bogut's contract. He's still good, when healthy,

Also, sounds like a great way to steal David Lee for nothing. He's overpaid, but if you can get him for zilch...

Gotta say, this is where I'd love to see Dwight go. Perfect scenario really.

[R.I.P.]

You don't think 3 1st rounders with the 3 expirers is enough? Even keeping one of Barnes/Klay would be big. And hell, I really hope this doesn't drag out much longer.

Why take picks, when you have proven talent in Thompson and Barnes right there available and Warriors are desperate? I think in the end the Lakers once again will win. They

[KG215]

I know Biedrins was a decent player for a few years, but how the hell did he ever get a contract that had a $9M year on it?

[33teeth]

I wouldn't mind seeing the Kings take on Bogut. But make them throw in Barnes. :lol

[Kurosawa0]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]If I

[longtime lurker]

You don't think 3 1st rounders with the 3 expirers is enough? Even keeping one of Barnes/Klay would be big. And hell, I really hope this doesn't drag out much longer.

Technically if the Lakers were willing to do a trade they wouldn't have to move out any expires. They could do Bogut, Thompson and Barnes. If I'm the Lakers I'd take that all day every day.

[KempSonics]

I wonder if Detroit gets involved? They can absorb Bogut AND Biedrins...

If Warriors part with Barnes and 2014 first round pick....there could be a match.

[SacJB Shady]

It's impossible for Howard to go to the Warriors so I don't know why J West wastes his time.

[daily]

It's impossible for Howard to go to the Warriors so I don't know why J West wastes his time.
Why is it impossible?

[Kurosawa0]

It's impossible for Howard to go to the Warriors so I don't know why J West wastes his time.

It's not impossible. At the end of the day if the Lakers have to choose between getting a Klay Thompson or Harrison Barnes vs. getting nothing... Do you really think they'll go with nothing?

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

I wouldn't want to give up Barnes in any package for D12. I just don't think you mess with a good thing by getting a player who needs to be babied like D12.

[longtime lurker]

Here's the problem for the Lakers. If they say no, Dwight can go to the Rockets or Mavs and they get nothing. To me, the fair asking price is Bogut, 2 first rounders and EITHER Klay or Barnes. Not both. They keep their cap space for the future, grab a young asset and some picks. Honestly, it's better than what OKC got for Harden. :lol

Lakers would gladly take salary savings if Dwight walks to Dallas or Houston. They really don't care. On the other hand if Dwight tells the GM "My first choice is Golden State work something out" then the team is definitely going to get bent over a barrel. And it's all relative considering that Klay and Barnes aren't guaranteed.

[bagelred]

If Warriors get Dwight Howard, that would be the upset of the year. I would be shocked.

[daily]

The Lakers won't take on any bad contracts, they'll let Howard walk. They are in the drivers seat if money is important to Howard or if GSW want him

Thompson, Barnes, some picks I can see the Lakers doing but any big contracts GSW don't have a prayer of pawning off on the Lakers.

[longtime lurker]

The Lakers won't take on any bad contracts, they'll let Howard walk.

Thompson, Barnes, some picks I can see the Lakers doing but any big contracts GSW don't have a prayer of pawning off on the Lakers.

3 team trade. Send Bogut and a pick to Atlanta.

[bagelred]

I just looked at the numbers. There is NO WAY Warriors are clearing enough cap space. They'd have to move about $30 million in salary. No chance. Best bet is sign and trade, but not gonna happen....

[MeLO MvP 15]

The funniest part is they wasted their amnesty on Charlie Bell instead of using it on Biedrins like everyone said they should've. They also took on the extra year of Jefferson's contract to pick up a late pick instead of just keeping Stephen Jackson or Monta Ellis (either of them would be off the books now).

Their new regime is has done some nice moves like drafting Thompson and Barnes, signing Mark Jackson and finding some cheap steals... but they're still crippled by the awful moves of the earlier management. Even Lee and his huge contract is hurting them even if he's a good producer for them.

[D-Rose]

I just looked at the numbers. There is NO WAY Warriors are clearing enough cap space. They'd have to move about $30 million in salary. No chance. Best bet is sign and trade, but not gonna happen....
No way? They have three big contracts that can be paired with picks or talent and sent to separate teams that can absorb contracts...such as Atlanta, Cleveland, etc.

Now there have been whispers and a report from Heisler that Lakers would consider the right deal as well for a S&T.

I don't know man...no way this story comes out if it doesn't have legs. Dwight has probably told them he wants in if they can pull it off. We'll see...this may drag past tomorrow.

[longtime lurker]

No way? They have three big contracts that can be paired with picks or talent and sent to separate teams that can absorb contracts...such as Atlanta, Cleveland, etc.

Now there have been whispers and a report from Heisler that Lakers would consider the right deal as well for a S&T.

I don't know man...no way this story comes out if it doesn't have legs. Dwight has probably told them he wants in if they can pull it off. We'll see...this may drag past tomorrow.

There's no way they move 3 contracts without giving up significant assets. They'd either have to find 2 teams willing to take on large contracts or do 3 separate trades. And if teams know you're desperate they'll demand more from you. Houston gave up Thomas Robinson for 2 2nd round picks. No way they move all 3 of those guys without giving up Barnes or Klay. Best bet is to work something out with the Lakers.

[daily]

I don't know man...no way this story comes out if it doesn't have legs. Dwight has probably told them he wants in if they can pull it off. We'll see...this may drag past tomorrow.
Of course it could come out for no reason. Jerry West is up there.

Here's a scenario.
GSW want to make a move with another team on a non related matter but are handcuffed by Howard's decision.

They float this, two things happen, one Howard's people call up and go whoa not so fast he's not coming to Oakland so they now have their asnwer from that end. In the meantime the team they've been trying to get something done with thinks they may be on the cusp of losing out so they call in everyone from the 4th of July BBQs and get to work.

Not saying this is true but having watched West and his protege Mitch work over all the years I wouldn't put it past them for a second. Nothing is ever as it seems with those guys

[Funnyfuka]

Reports also say Dwight was very impressed with their presentation

Sources?

[D-Rose]

Sources?
Check out the article from Stein on ESPN.

[QuebecBaller]

New Orleans need a C, maybe they can give a fresh start to Biedrins

[ProfessorMurder]

Oh my crap if Jack leaves, Landry leaves, they trade Bogut, and DO NOT get Dwight... :roll: :roll:

[MMKM]

Oh my crap if Jack leaves, Landry leaves, they trade Bogut, and DO NOT get Dwight... :roll: :roll:

Exactly. The Warriors are a franchise on the rise and this Dwight Howard sweepstakes, whether they get him or not, is going to ruin them. So pissed. Why are the Warriors being so stupid?

[DuMa]

mark jackson is the same fool who gave dwight 39 free throw attempts in 2012

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320112009

if they get dwight, i cant wait to see other coaches pull the same trip on dwight and the warriors. it will be irony

[JimmyMcAdocious]

mark jackson is the same fool who gave dwight 39 free throw attempts in 2012

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320112009

if they get dwight, i cant wait to see other coaches pull the same trip on dwight and the warriors. it will be irony

lol @ 39 Ft attempts and only finishing with 45 points.

[D-Rose]

@PeterVecsey1 24m

From what I'm told, should Howard decide on GST, & LA is unwilling 2 sign-trade, it has teams willing 2 assume salaries of AB, Biedrins & RJ

Hmmmm

[PickernRoller]

Just freed some cap space in this bottle of water I am drinking. Man I was thirsty.

[pegasus]

Just freed some cap space in this bottle of water I am drinking. Man I was thirsty.
:roll: :roll:

Now you can see the bottle "half-empty" as a Lakers fan 'cause Howard is as good as gone.:oldlol:

[bdreason]

Bogut + Thompson + Biedrins + 2014 1st round pick is the most I'd be willing to give for Howard. Otherwise Lakers can just watch him walk away for nothing.

[bdreason]

And why is everyone acting like it's hard to get rid of expirers? Plenty of teams looking to tank and rebuild, and these expirers will have plenty of value come the trade deadline. If we don't move them now, I expect us to pick up some talent for them around the deadline.

[El Kabong]

And why is everyone acting like it's hard to get rid of expirers? Plenty of teams looking to tank and rebuild, and these expirers will have plenty of value come the trade deadline. If we don't move them now, I expect us to pick up some talent for them around the deadline.
It's not even tanking teams anymore, i'm sure there will be teams looking to get rid of future luxury tax concerns by dealing a guy with a 2+ year contract for an expiring contract and maybe a draft pick.

I remember when Utah traded two injured and cheap players in Keon Clark and Ben Handlogten for Tom Gugliotta because of Phoenix had luxury tax worries and got two first rounders in the deal, one of which ended up being Gordon Hayward.

[Lateralus]

In Houston right now and Rockets are popping off in the sky forming into the picture of DH12 has arrived. It's a done deal folks. Ordering my DH12 Rocket jersey soon as well.


:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

In Houston right now and Rockets are popping off in the sky forming into the picture of DH12 has arrived. It's a done deal folks. Ordering my DH12 Rocket jersey soon as well.


:bowdown: :bowdown:
:oldlol: :oldlol: What a July 4!

[D-Rose]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 1h

Just added to ESPN's latest Dwight story: Sources say Warriors and Jazz have opened talks on trade that would send Andrew Bogut to Jazz


@ESPNSteinLine 1h

Jazz have expressed strongest interest to date in Bogut, sources say. No surprise after Al Jefferson's departure and Bogut's college ties

will mean a lot if this deal goes through...

[All Net]

Source: #Warriors are expected to get #D12

[kurple]

I just looked at the numbers. There is NO WAY Warriors are clearing enough cap space. They'd have to move about $30 million in salary. No chance. Best bet is sign and trade, but not gonna happen....
Bogut
David Lee
Brandon Rush

i'm sure they could get rid of those without giving up Klay or Barnes

[All Net]

surely GS only trade bogut if they know dwight is coming?

[D-Rose]

surely GS only trade bogut if they know dwight is coming?
Agreed.

[All Net]

Brett Poirier NBA @BrettNBA
Spoke with @MarkHeisler, said Dwight recently contacted Golden State saying he was interested, reason why they've been clearing cap space.

[Bandito]

I know Biedrins was a decent player for a few years, but how the hell did he ever get a contract that had a $9M year on it?
7 footer with promise to be a serviceable in years to come tends to get payed.

[boozehound]

if they can clear enough cap while maintaining lee, barnes, klay and steph, this is a great opportunity for him. Worst financial situation (high state tax, lower $ than the lakers), but damn. I think draymond is also an important bench player for this squad. But, outside of Bogut (not enough space), why would anyone take biedrins or jefferson without some high end compensation (not a late first rounder)? Sure, maybe you get someone to take bogut, jefferson, and 3 future firsts.

[Levity]

If they do do the trade with the jazz, is it a possibility to do a S/T for milsap and still sign dwight to the max? Or would they be way over the cap?

Because if that was an option, a team of

Curry
Klay
Barnes
Milsap
Dwight

is a very scary one. (this is assuming dlee is moved)

[1~Gibson~1]

At first I kinda wanted Cleveland to jump on this... but with those contracts? 14 million, 9 million 12 million :eek: :eek: :no:

[boozehound]

If they do do the trade with the jazz, is it a possibility to do a S/T for milsap and still sign dwight to the max? Or would they be way over the cap?

Because if that was an option, a team of

Curry
Klay
Barnes
Milsap
Dwight

is a very scary one. (this is assuming dlee is moved)
cant really see it. They would have to get the jazz to take all 3 of their expirers and give up on bringing milsap back. What would be the incentive without one of the warriors young pieces coming back?

[longtime lurker]

Lakers should just let Dwight Howard go. The projected cap next season is 62 million dollars and if they can move Steve Nash's contract they will have a lot of money to play with.

[Levity]

cant really see it. They would have to get the jazz to take all 3 of their expirers and give up on bringing milsap back. What would be the incentive without one of the warriors young pieces coming back?

The only reason i brought it up is because if the jazz take bogut and do intend to sign milsap, then they have a 4 big rotation again, which is what they didnt want this year in hopes of developing favors and kanter. So i assumed the potential trade to bogut was a sign they were going to move past milsap. just speculation, of course.

[BlazerRed]

Wow if GS keep Curry, Thompson, Barnes, Lee and get Dwight :eek:

Rush off the bench, not much else though.. no depth.

[longtime lurker]

Wow if GS keep Curry, Thompson, Barnes, Lee and get Dwight :eek:

Rush off the bench, not much else though.. no depth.

If Dwight can't do anything with that team then he's a huge failure. Don't forget they would have Draymond Green, Ezeli off the bench too and they'd still have the MLE and vet minimums to fill out the rest of the roster.

[1~Gibson~1]

Actually i'd take Biedrins + Warriors 1st rounder for one of our second rounders next year.

This gives us an expiring contract for Free Agency 2014 and 2 first round draft picks in the 2014 Draft. Hopefully next year's draft is deeper though.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Actually i'd take Biedrins + Warriors 1st rounder for one of our second rounders next year.

This gives us an expiring contract for Free Agency 2014 and 2 first round draft picks in the 2014 Draft. Hopefully next year's draft is deeper though.

cavs are like the 1st round collecting hore....at soe point you need to pay to FA's to b good....or the plan is to rot in mediocry all ur life

[Lakers2877]

Don't know about the credibility of this guy but he's a LA writer and is followed by many of the reporters I follow on twitter.

Dwight must be behind this to SOME degree.
Hensler is one of the most respected in the business

If that is true as a laker fan I would be ecstatic.

[Bobcats2013]

Wow if GS keep Curry, Thompson, Barnes, Lee and get Dwight :eek:

Rush off the bench, not much else though.. no depth.

Says who? Nedovic, Rush, Bazemore, Green, and Ezeli is a pretty good bench.