For the next 10 yrs: Oden or Howard; Bosh or Durant

[2LeTTeRS KD]

Everybody keeps talking about the strength of this draft class so I'm just trying to gauge the value of these prospects with some current NBAers. This is not about playing styles or ability just as the title says who you would want on your team for the next 10 years.

Oden or Howard
Oden or Amare
Durant or Bosh
Durant or Anthony
B Wright or C Vilanueva
B Wright or Josh Smith
Budinger or G Green
Budinger or JR Smith
Young or Deng
Young or Granger

What do you think?

[loot]

Oden or Howard
Oden or Amare
Durant or Bosh
Durant or Anthony
B Wright or C Vilanueva
B Wright or Josh Smith
Budinger or G Green
Budinger or JR Smith
Young or Deng
Young or Granger

[Skywalker]

Oden or Howard
Oden or Amare
Durant or Bosh
Durant or Anthony
B Wright or C Vilanueva
B Wright or Josh Smith
Budinger or G Green
Budinger or JR Smith
Young or Deng
Young or Granger

[knickscity]

Oden or Howard
Oden or Amare
Durant or Bosh = TOSS UP
Durant or Anthony
B Wright or C Vilanueva
B Wright or Josh Smith
Budinger or G Green
Budinger or JR Smith
Young or Deng
Young or Granger


THE REST ARE UNPROVEN SO FAR.

[Skywalker]

THE REST ARE UNPROVEN SO FAR.

Brandan Wright is unproven but you picked him over Villanueva. Don't chicken out, make some picks!

[2LeTTeRS KD]

Damn I thought Oden was the best center prospect in 10 years? If thats so how can we say Howard is better than him? Sounds like a bit of overhyping to me.

[Skywalker]

I was thinking about that when I thought "What can Oden do better than Dwight has done so far? Is he gonna average 15 and 15 in his first or second year?" I don't think so. There's a lot bigger chance of Oden doing less than Dwight than there is of him doing more.

[knickscity]

Brandan Wright is unproven but you picked him over Villanueva. Don't chicken out, make some picks!
I made the ones I can think of. I think Charlie V is a dud so I didn't want to make that pick.

[wonderboy905]

Umm stupid thread until the other guys make it to the NBA.

Come on, Bosh, Howard, Amare etc... those guys have all shown us enough to know they'll all be elite level players in a few years if they're not there already (Bosh is looking awfully good playing injured this season).

For all we know there's some Kwame Brown's and Tyson Chandler's on that last who have yet to prove a single thing in the NBA...

[machi]

For all we know there's some Kwame Brown's and Tyson Chandler's on that last who have yet to prove a single thing in the NBA...

Chandler has emerged as quiet a rebounder lately. To be honest, I haven't watched any Hornets game this year, but judging from the box scores, he's been pulling down some pretty impressive numbers, seems like a good defensive presence down low.

[fatboy11]

Everybody keeps talking about the strength of this draft class so I'm just trying to gauge the value of these prospects with some current NBAers. This is not about playing styles or ability just as the title says who you would want on your team for the next 10 years.

Oden or Howard
Oden or Amare
Durant or Bosh
Durant or Anthony
B Wright or C Vilanueva
B Wright or Josh Smith
Budinger or G Green
Budinger or JR Smith
Young or Deng
Young or Granger

What do you think?
I'll go:

Howard
Oden
Durant
Durant
Wright
Wright
Green
Smith
Deng
Granger

Not too high on Budinger or Thaddeus Young.

[Se]

Nice thread, I like this idea.

Oden or Howard
Oden or Amare
Durant or Bosh
Durant or Anthony
B Wright or C Vilanueva
B Wright or Josh Smith
Budinger or G Green
Budinger or JR Smith
Young or Deng
Young or Granger

[i seen hippos]

Durant has really proven himself against average college bigs......:roll:

Let's put him above two guys who are at worst top 20 players in the NBA because again...he's shown he's better playing against some white kid who probably studies chemical engineering instead of practicing.

Don't get me wrong, he should be very good, but for anyone to somehow think he'll be better than Bosh or Anthony based on what he's done against crappy Big 12 bigs is hilarious.

[qrich]

Oden or Howard
Oden or Amare
Durant or Bosh
Durant or Anthony
B Wright or C Vilanueva
B Wright or Josh Smith
Budinger or G Green
Budinger or JR Smith
Young or Deng
Young or Granger

[Wuxia]

This draft class is really strong...


Oden or Howard
Oden or Amare
Durant or Bosh
Durant or Anthony
B Wright or C Vilanueva
B Wright or Josh Smith
Budinger or G Green
Budinger or JR Smith
Young or Deng
Young or Granger

[fatboy11]

Durant has really proven himself against average college bigs......:roll:

Let's put him above two guys who are at worst top 20 players in the NBA because again...he's shown he's better playing against some white kid who probably studies chemical engineering instead of practicing.

Don't get me wrong, he should be very good, but for anyone to somehow think he'll be better than Bosh or Anthony based on what he's done against crappy Big 12 bigs is hilarious.So what?

Who was LeBron playing against before he got to the NBA?..........

[i seen hippos]

Lebron was way more polished than Durant is.

That's something you know by watching the player alone, not by looking at his stats or who he's dominating.

Who's Durant going to dribble by in the NBA next year? It's something he'll obviously improve and, but the hype is blinding people. Is he going to rely on his strong outside shot? Most college players don't hit the longer three nearly as well at least for their first or second season.

Tell me by looking at Lebron in highschool and Durant in college who's better. Don't like at the defender or his teammates, just look at how they both move with and without the ball, shoot, pass, etc. Can you tell me Durant is close to Lebron? Shooting is the only thing that jumps out at me and like I said, the transition to the NBA is tough as far as outside shooting (especially if you're forced to rely on it a lot).

As far as rebounding (where a lot of his point may have to come from early on), he does that against weak competition in the Big 12. I'll never be sold on how well he can rebound until he hits the NBA. Not saying he can't rebound, but that I can't get a good grasp on how well he can against really good bigs.

I see him for a while being a Marion lite....real lite...won't be creating a lot for himself unless his jumper does translate well in the NBA and he's able to get by with not the best dribbling skills because defenders overplay him. Without the shot, he won't create much on his own.

[Spike Spiegel]

Oden or Howard
Oden or Amare
Durant or Bosh
Durant or Anthony
B Wright or C Vilanueva
B Wright or Josh Smith
Budinger or G Green
Budinger or JR Smith
Young or Deng
Young or Granger

That's absolutely perfect.

[2LeTTeRS KD]

Lebron was way more polished than Durant is.

That's something you know by watching the player alone, not by looking at his stats or who he's dominating.

Who's Durant going to dribble by in the NBA next year? It's something he'll obviously improve and, but the hype is blinding people. Is he going to rely on his strong outside shot? Most college players don't hit the longer three nearly as well at least for their first or second season.

Tell me by looking at Lebron in highschool and Durant in college who's better. Don't like at the defender or his teammates, just look at how they both move with and without the ball, shoot, pass, etc. Can you tell me Durant is close to Lebron? Shooting is the only thing that jumps out at me and like I said, the transition to the NBA is tough as far as outside shooting (especially if you're forced to rely on it a lot).

As far as rebounding (where a lot of his point may have to come from early on), he does that against weak competition in the Big 12. I'll never be sold on how well he can rebound until he hits the NBA. Not saying he can't rebound, but that I can't get a good grasp on how well he can against really good bigs.

I see him for a while being a Marion lite....real lite...won't be creating a lot for himself unless his jumper does translate well in the NBA and he's able to get by with not the best dribbling skills because defenders overplay him. Without the shot, he won't create much on his own.

So you think he's peaked already? The kid is 18 in his freshman year and your basically claming that he'll improve only lsightly in the next 10 years. He's showing an instinct for putting the ball in the basket as good as pretty much anybody I've seen in college basketball and the kid is still a freshman. If his body developes look out as he'll be even more dangerous.

[Xsatyr]

Lebron was way more polished than Durant is.

That's something you know by watching the player alone, not by looking at his stats or who he's dominating.

Who's Durant going to dribble by in the NBA next year? It's something he'll obviously improve and, but the hype is blinding people. Is he going to rely on his strong outside shot? Most college players don't hit the longer three nearly as well at least for their first or second season.

Tell me by looking at Lebron in highschool and Durant in college who's better. Don't like at the defender or his teammates, just look at how they both move with and without the ball, shoot, pass, etc. Can you tell me Durant is close to Lebron? Shooting is the only thing that jumps out at me and like I said, the transition to the NBA is tough as far as outside shooting (especially if you're forced to rely on it a lot).

As far as rebounding (where a lot of his point may have to come from early on), he does that against weak competition in the Big 12. I'll never be sold on how well he can rebound until he hits the NBA. Not saying he can't rebound, but that I can't get a good grasp on how well he can against really good bigs.

I see him for a while being a Marion lite....real lite...won't be creating a lot for himself unless his jumper does translate well in the NBA and he's able to get by with not the best dribbling skills because defenders overplay him. Without the shot, he won't create much on his own.

By those statements I can already tell you have not seen him play much. This guy takes NBA threes alot when he is playing, its on the scouting report trust me the kid has range. I am pretty sure he will find a way to rebound being 6'9 with a 7'5 wingspan. He just needs to add some muscle and work on his dribbling some more.

[Sword.Dragons]

Oden or Howard
Oden or Amare
Durant or Bosh
Durant or Anthony
B Wright or C Vilanueva
B Wright or Josh Smith
Budinger or G Green
Budinger or JR Smith
Young or Deng
Young or Granger

[i seen hippos]

I do see him play a lot...JJ Redick took a lot of NBA threes too...

[GOBB]

Durant > Bosh

[i seen hippos]

By saying that you're guaranteeing he'll put up at least 26/8/4 as a 22 year old.

Bosh is basically putting up 23/11 as a 22 year old. For Durant to be as impressive (as a sf) he'll need to put up the above stats.

Am I the only one who isn't so sure he can do that?

Carmelo is averaging over 30 ppg as a 22 year old...can Durant come close to that? Melo's not a good defender, but neither is Durant. I'll give him more rebounds, but that's it.

[fatboy11]

By saying that you're guaranteeing he'll put up at least 26/8/4 as a 22 year old.

Bosh is basically putting up 23/11 as a 22 year old. For Durant to be as impressive (as a sf) he'll need to put up the above stats.

Am I the only one who isn't so sure he can do that?

Carmelo is averaging over 30 ppg as a 22 year old...can Durant come close to that? Melo's not a good defender, but neither is Durant. I'll give him more rebounds, but that's it.Thread is entitled: For the next 10 years.

No stipulations on when a players has to average certain numbers to be considered better than X player. Nowhere does it say that. It simply asks who you would rather have for the next 10 years.

And for the record, LeBron at 18 years wasn't that much better than Kevin Durant. Was LeBron clearly better? Without a doubt. Am I saying that Kevin Durant will be as good or close as good as LeBron James? Not necessarily. However, I think Kevin Durant can put up similar numbers as a rookie compared to what LeBron put as a rookie (of course, less assists).

[i seen hippos]

But I thought this wasn't about rookie seasons.:D

My other point was that Bosh is putting up 23/11 as a 22 year old. He's about 5 years away from his prime. How can you say Durant has a good chance of being better in his prime.

I'm not saying he has no chance because he is good enough do that, but with what I've seen of him, it's about a 25% chance at best.

[fatboy11]

But I thought this wasn't about rookie seasons.:D

My other point was that Bosh is putting up 23/11 as a 22 year old. He's about 5 years away from his prime. How can you say Durant has a good chance of being better in his prime.

I'm not saying he has no chance because he is good enough do that, but with what I've seen of him, it's about a 25% chance at best.I can say that because that is what I think.

I think Kevin Durant is more commanding at the same age as Chris Bosh (when at Georgia Tech). He's just better at a similar age. That is usually a good indicator.

But hey, you're a Raptor fan so I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone who has a clear bias. I'm sure plenty of people have declined to debate on issues regarding the Houston Rockets or Yao Ming. Or Ronnie Brewer.

[bonez26]

Oden or Howard
Oden or Amare
Durant or Bosh
Durant or Anthony
B Wright or C Vilanueva
B Wright or Josh Smith
Budinger or G Green
Budinger or JR Smith
Young or Deng
Young or Granger


Am I the only one who isn't so sure he can do that?
I don't hink so either. he's be good but not that good. Until I see him play against bigger longer stronger opponents at the NBA level I am not gonna be convinced.

[i seen hippos]

Remember when I said Brewer wouldn't make all-rookie third team if there even was one?:roll: I was right.

And I'm not biased because this is more about Durant than it is about Bosh. I don't see enough right now from Durant to say he'll ever be better than a prime Bosh.

And for someone who reminded my this topic is about the next 10 years, you like looking at the past and present a lot.

[fatboy11]

Remember when I said Brewer wouldn't make all-rookie third team if there even was one?:roll: I was right.

And I'm not biased because this is more about Durant than it is about Bosh. I don't see enough right now from Durant to say he'll ever be better than a prime Bosh.

And for someone who reminded my this topic is about the next 10 years, you like looking at the past and present a lot.
That's all you have to look at when projecting a player, right? Yeah....

You were the one saying that by the time Durant was such and such age has to put such and such numbers. Whatever. Too many factors involved when you try to compare numbers. They're just a basic standard of comparison.

And you were right about Ronnie Brewer. Though, I don't feel that he's not playing because he isn't good enough.....

[atljonesbro]

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[KG215]

Kinda wish that i seen hippos guy still posted.

[Shepseskaf]

Its funny to look at some of these old threads. Some people nailed it, though.

[MtMutombo]

Hippos has gone into hiding

[KG215]

I'm kind of surprised to see some people pick Brandan Wright over Josh Smith. I know Wright had a really good freshman year at UNC before leaving, but I wasn't sold on him as a pro and thought he would've been better served coming back for another year in order to get stronger and work on his game a little.

[Shade8780]

2/10 Good job :applause:
:lol :lol :lol

[Shade8780]

Oden or Howard
Oden or Amare
Durant or Bosh
Durant or Anthony
B Wright or C Vilanueva
B Wright or Josh Smith
Budinger or G Green
Budinger or JR Smith
Young or Deng
Young or Granger
This guy got everything right except the Budinger - Smith one.

9/10 :applause: :applause: :applause:

[atljonesbro]

By saying that you're guaranteeing he'll put up at least 26/8/4 as a 22 year old.

Bosh is basically putting up 23/11 as a 22 year old. For Durant to be as impressive (as a sf) he'll need to put up the above stats.

Am I the only one who isn't so sure he can do that?

Carmelo is averaging over 30 ppg as a 22 year old...can Durant come close to that? Melo's not a good defender, but neither is Durant. I'll give him more rebounds, but that's it.
28/7/3 at age 22 god he must have been the worst poster on this site.

[Clifton]

28/7/3 at age 22 god he must have been the worst poster on this site.
Hippos was a good poster. He was a Raptors fan, so you can hardly blame him for sticking up for Bosh. Bosh was a proven NBA star (rather than an afterthought on a stacked team) at that point and Durant looked like was playing against JV players in college almost from day one so it could have been hard to judge how his game would translate. I definitely didn't think he'd be able to make the rest of the NBA look like little boys like he did in college.