Cavaliers sign Jarrett Jack to 4 year, $25 million deal

[Shade8780]

Jarrett Jack is signing a four-year, $25 million deal with Cleveland, source says
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[atljonesbro]

3 threads in 1 minute that has to be a record :applause:

[loganwadams]

Dang Cavs making all the right moves

[Shade8780]

Jack is forever gonna be a backup to star PGs :lol

[All Net]

Good signing.. Cavs making progress..

[1~Gibson~1]

Great move! Hopefully we bring Gibson back :lol

[RedBlackAttack]

A little over $6 million a year? I'll take that. Wonder if the last year is a team option? Interested to hear the details.

Very good move.

[Shade8780]

Great move! Hopefully we bring Gibson back :lol
Dat haircut in your avy

[Shade8780]

bagelshithead's and D-Rose's threads got locked :lol I always win. Know that ISH!

[(e)]

That's a solid signing. Really like what Jack offers

[D-Rose]

The last year is a team option, even better. Great deal for Cavs here. Bring depth behind Kyrie and Dion and a leader as well. Mike Brown will help with his defensive setbacks.

On a side note...Shade8780 and bagel..it seems that which ever one of us posts the breaking news thread LAST catches on because the first or second falls too fast!

[1~Gibson~1]

Now all we need is a legit rim-protecting big man with roughly $12 mil to spend... or Asik!

[Shade8780]

The last year is a team option, even better. Great deal for Cavs here. Bring depth behind Kyrie and Dion and a leader as well. Mike Brown will help with his defensive setbacks.

On a side note...Shade8780 and bagel..it seems that which ever one of us posts the breaking news thread LAST catches on because the first or second falls too fast!
Im just da bess

[RedBlackAttack]

Updated roster...

PG - Kyrie Irving / Jarrett Jack
SG - Dion Waiters / CJ Miles or Wayne Ellington
SF - Alonzo Gee / Earl Clark / Sergie Karasev
PF - Tristan Thompson / Anthony Bennett
C - Anderson Varejao / Tyler Zeller

[CelticBaller]

Updated roster...

PG - Kyrie Irving / Jarrett Jack
SG - Dion Waiters / CJ Miles or Wayne Ellington
SF - Alonzo Gee / Earl Clark / Sergie Karasev
PF - Tristan Thompson / Anthony Bennett
C - Anderson Varejao / Tyler Zeller
GG :applause:

[Shade8780]

Updated roster...

PG - Kyrie Irving / Jarrett Jack
SG - Dion Waiters / CJ Miles or Wayne Ellington
SF - Alonzo Gee / Earl Clark / Sergie Karasev
PF - Tristan Thompson / Anthony Bennett
C - Anderson Varejao / Tyler Zeller
Shouldn't have taken Bennett :facepalm

[ProfessorMurder]

Updated roster...

PG - Kyrie Irving / Jarrett Jack
SG - Dion Waiters / CJ Miles or Wayne Ellington
SF - Alonzo Gee / Earl Clark / Sergie Karasev
PF - Tristan Thompson / Anthony Bennett
C - Anderson Varejao / Tyler Zeller

That's solid.

[branslowski]

Updated roster...

PG - Kyrie Irving / Jarrett Jack
SG - Dion Waiters / CJ Miles or Wayne Ellington
SF - Alonzo Gee / Earl Clark / Sergie Karasev
PF - Tristan Thompson / Anthony Bennett
C - Anderson Varejao / Tyler Zeller

Would it be wrong to start Jack at SG?

[1~Gibson~1]

Updated roster...

PG - Kyrie Irving / Jarrett Jack
SG - Dion Waiters / CJ Miles or Wayne Ellington
SF - Alonzo Gee / Earl Clark / Sergie Karasev
PF - Tristan Thompson / Anthony Bennett
C - Anderson Varejao / Tyler ZellerI nag about Chris Grant a lot but he's put gogether one helluva roster over the years. As well as Millions of dollars remaining.

[Uncle Drew]

I like it. Great signing.

[RedBlackAttack]

Shouldn't have taken Bennett :facepalm
Grant took him because he felt he was the BPA and because he's great at running the pick-and-roll/pop. We'll see...


Would it be wrong to start Jack at SG?

He can play both. Great combo guard off the bench and pretty much exactly what this team needed. Also don't be surprised if you see Kyrie, Jack and Dion all on the same floor at the same time in some lineups the way GSW did with Curry/Jack/Thompson.

[1~Gibson~1]

Would it be wrong to start Jack at SG?It wouldn't but Mike Brown is a defense first kinda guy so he wouldn't do it... that might be a go-to lineup quite often throught the game though.

[RedBlackAttack]

How about this for when the Cavs want to go small?

Kyrie
Jack
Dion
AB
Tristan

Loving the versatility with this roster. :applause:

[Jailblazers7]

Important signing for the Cavs. Kyrie is a great player but its important for them to have a high quality back-up because of his injury history.

[alenleomessi]

Updated roster...

PG - Kyrie Irving / Jarrett Jack
SG - Dion Waiters / CJ Miles or Wayne Ellington
SF - Alonzo Gee / Earl Clark / Sergie Karasev
PF - Tristan Thompson / Anthony Bennett
C - Anderson Varejao / Tyler Zeller
lol the first pick isnt going to start?
has that ever happened in the history?

[leopoldstotch]

great lineup. I think the only thing missing is veteran leadership, and the cavs have a very good team.

[SilkkTheShocker]

What is Cleveland's cap space situation looking like?

[RedBlackAttack]

lol the first pick isnt going to start?
has that ever happened in the history?
Sure. Quite a few times. Andrea Bargnani was the last one. And, the list of guys who didn't start immediately in the NBA but became stars is enormous.

The only guy who the Cavs could have picked who would have conceivably started was Otto Porter Jr. When you have three young Top 4 picks already on your team, it limits where you can go for "need."

I'd personally rather just take the BPA with the most upside. Grant thought that was Bennett.


Windhorst just tweeted this...


Jack expected to play much the same role in Cleveland as he did in Golden State, as combo guard now with Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters.

[veilside23]

no need to tank this year i guess..

RBA the benett Pick may turn out to be very good actually :)

great pick up.

[PleezeBelieve]

Great signing!

[RedBlackAttack]

What is Cleveland's cap space situation looking like?
I believe they had around $25 million free next year prior to the Clark/Jack deals. That is me going completely off the cuff. I could be wrong. Clark got $4.5 million, Jack gets a little over $6 million.

So, they would still be around $14 million under the cap for next season without moving any other contracts. Of course, a guy like Anderson Varejao could be moved which would free up another $10 million. Or other moves could be made to free up more room, if need be.

Options are almost limitless, depending upon who would be willing to come here. A lot of that may depend on the improvements made next season.

[DaSeba5]

They look like a playoff team to me on paper

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Ok, if all are healthy, any way the Cavs don't make the playoffs now?

[RedBlackAttack]

David Aldridge:


Just got off phone with @Jarrettjack03 on new gig with Cavaliers. He says Mike Brown is the reason he's going to Cleveland. Story coming

[DMAVS41]

Updated roster...

PG - Kyrie Irving / Jarrett Jack
SG - Dion Waiters / CJ Miles or Wayne Ellington
SF - Alonzo Gee / Earl Clark / Sergie Karasev
PF - Tristan Thompson / Anthony Bennett
C - Anderson Varejao / Tyler Zeller

:cheers:

If they get a 2nd star in there next summer...that is going to be a sick team.

[longtime lurker]

This is a great signing. Cleveland saying, **** it let's win now! If they can maintain cap space for a max slot this team is going to be a major free agent destination.

[Greg Oden 50]

battle oden now :rant

[Crafty]

Ok, if all are healthy, any way the Cavs don't make the playoffs now?
Mike Brown's offense is close to pathetic ...

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Mike Brown's offense is close to pathetic ...
but isn't Kyrie dynamic enough to just do what he wants to drive and create? Just give him free reign like when LeBron was in Cleveland.

[RedBlackAttack]

Mike Brown's offense is close to pathetic ...
Offense should not be a problem for this team. Loaded with firepower. Defense was the major problem last year and would have continued to be the problem... We'll see if Brown can fix that. If he can, I have no doubt this team will score enough points.

[DMAVS41]

Mike Brown's offense is close to pathetic ...

Defense in the regular season can win you a lot of games. If Kyrie is healthy...that team could win 45 to 50 games in my opinion.

[1~Gibson~1]

I just hope we save enough to sign our players to extensions.

[Crafty]

but isn't Kyrie dynamic enough to just do what he wants to drive and create? Just give him free reign like when LeBron was in Cleveland.
Since they have no expectations when the playoffs come, he might do that.

[RedBlackAttack]

but isn't Kyrie dynamic enough to just do what he wants to drive and create? Just give him free reign like when LeBron was in Cleveland.
It's not just Kyrie anymore. Dion can be a dynamic scorer and he supposedly has been working like a demon in the offseason. He was the second leading rookie scorer last season and his efficiency took a huge leap in the second half of the season.

Anthony Bennett was drafted in part because of his ability in the pick-and-roll/pop. He was considered by many to be the best offensive player in the draft.

Jack can score. Even Tristan averaged around 14 points per game in the 50 games following Varejao's injury. He's improved quite a bit on the block.

This is not a James type situation where Kyrie is going to have to create everything. There are now three guys on the roster who can create shots for themselves or others (Kyrie, Dion, Jack) and offensively talented bigs surrounding them.

Should be fun. The biggest question I have is whether or not this team has enough seasoning. It's still going to be an incredibly young team, especially with the additions of AB (20) and Karasev (19). Most of the team's best players are 22 or under.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I believe they had around $25 million free next year prior to the Clark/Jack deals. That is me going completely off the cuff. I could be wrong. Clark got $4.5 million, Jack gets a little over $6 million.

So, they would still be around $14 million under the cap for next season without moving any other contracts. Of course, a guy like Anderson Varejao could be moved which would free up another $10 million. Or other moves could be made to free up more room, if need be.

Options are almost limitless, depending upon who would be willing to come here. A lot of that may depend on the improvements made next season.

:cheers:

I know its way too early to really guess, but do you think Thompson eventually gets move if Bennett emerges?

[DuMa]

if only Lebron got this kind of help when he was there....

[1~Gibson~1]

:cheers:

I know its way too early to really guess, but do you think Thompson eventually gets move if Bennett emerges?I wouldn't think so unless its a REALLY good offer. We're probably not gonna fix it if its not broken.

[branslowski]

How about this for when the Cavs want to go small?

Kyrie
Jack
Dion
AB
Tristan

Loving the versatility with this roster. :applause:

Loving that lineup. Something tells me the +/- production of that lineup will be their best. Cavs made me wanna watch their games this year, I tell you that.:applause:

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

It's not just Kyrie anymore. Dion can be a dynamic scorer and he supposedly has been working like a demon in the offseason. He was the second leading rookie scorer last season and his efficiency took a huge leap in the second half of the season.

Anthony Bennett was drafted in part because of his ability in the pick-and-roll/pop. He was considered by many to be the best offensive player in the draft.

Jack can score. Even Tristan averaged around 14 points per game in the 50 games following Varejao's injury. He's improved quite a bit on the block.

This is not a James type situation where Kyrie is going to have to create everything. There are now three guys on the roster who can create shots for themselves or others (Kyrie, Dion, Jack) and offensively talented bigs surrounding them. Should be fun.
yeah, no doubt they have the potential talent around Kyrie. if Waiters blows up this year and they get like 28/12 total from Tristan + Bennett, I think Cavs can actually get home court in the 1st round. I definitely have them as a shoe-in for 6th at the worst.

Seriously a sexy team. Perhaps the OKC of the East in a couple seasons (build a contender via godly draft picks and good FA role players).

[RedBlackAttack]

:cheers:

I know its way too early to really guess, but do you think Thompson eventually gets move if Bennett emerges?
Hard to say. I really like Tristan a lot, both as a player and lockerroom guy. I've heard any time the Cavs have a promotional event or need a guy to talk to kids... Whatever.... They always go to Tristan first and he never says no. I've also heard he's the leader of the younger guys on the team.

There are some within the organization that believe Bennett can eventually become a full-time SF. I'm not so sure, but that would obviously be the ideal situation.

If not, maybe Tristan eventually becomes the first guy off the bench on a very good team? From everything I've heard, he's really loved within the organization, so I sort of doubt he's moved, unless it is in a package for a real star player.

The great thing about Tristan is he's a good enough defender to split time at the 4 and the 5, and Bennett is presumably going to be playing both the 4 and the 3. I think they can figure out a way to make it work.

[RedBlackAttack]

Cleveland snags Jack for four years, $26 million

David Aldridge, TNT Analyst
Posted Jul 6, 2013 6:09 PM

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/dam/assets/130224235728-022413-jarrett-jack-vs-timberwolves.story-top.jpg

Jarrett Jack still sounded a little surprised Saturday that he was no longer a member of the Golden State Warriors. But the veteran guard knows the NBA life leads to sudden changes, and so, he's ready to move on to his next gig, in Cleveland, as a member of the Cavaliers.

The Cavs agreed to terms with the eight-year veteran, one of the top free agents on the market, on a four-year, $26 million deal that will be consummated after the NBA's moratorium on signing contracts ends July 10.

Jack became available after the Warriors reached agreement Friday with free agent Andre Iguodala on a four-year, $48 million deal, forcing them to have to renounce their rights to Jack and forward Carl Landry (who agreed to a deal in Sacramento Saturday) when the moratorium ends.

The Contra Costa Times first reported the agreement between Cleveland and Jack.

Jack was a key member of the Warriors' team last season that reached the second round of the playoffs. He teamed seamlessly with guards Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson, often finishing games for Golden State as the team's primary ballhander and playmaker down the stretch.

Jack averaged 17.2 points per game in the playoffs for Golden State, shooting 50 percent from the floor and scoring 20 or more six times.

After playing for four teams earlier in his career, the 29-year-old Jack, whom Golden State had acquired last summer in a three-team deal from New Orleans, thought he had found a long-term home. He spoke often of how the Warriors were a closer team than any he had played on. But the business side of the game came down on him Friday.

"I was really shocked, being that they expressed to me and my agent that I was the number one priority," Jack said by telephone Saturday. "They met with me before July 1st, put their whole spiel on the table and said everything. To the point of me not even getting a phone call, that's probably the craziest part. Not getting a heads up to it was probably more shocking than anything. But it is what it is."

Once Golden State's need to renounce Jack became clear Friday, the Cavs jumped on the chance to get him.

"We have liked him for years," Cleveland General Manager Chris Grant texted Saturday. "He has toughness. He can shoot, he's a vet, and plays with our other guys well. He should make our backcourt much stronger."

Jack said that Cleveland coach Mike Brown was central to his coming to the Midwest.

"Basically, the person that spearheaded the deal was Mike Brown," Jack said. "Chris Grant asked who he wanted, and the only person he brought up was me. To start off with a vote of confidence with the coach is big. I know what they have there with Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters. It seems like an organization that's first class, from everybody I've spoken with. It's time for a new challenge for me."

Jack's presence will give Irving more opportunities at shooting guard as well, as Cleveland -- which surprised almost everyone around the league by taking UNLV freshman Anthony Bennett first overall in last month's Draft -- continues to add talent and depth to its rebuilding team.

"I'm new to this situation like everything else," Jack said. "I haven't spoken with the coach on how they're going to incorporate me. With the type of money they're paying me they wouldn't do that with any old body. But I'm patiently waiting. I've always been a fan of (Brown's) from a distance, as a coach and as a person. It'll be cool to get an up close and personal view."

http://www.nba.com/2013/news/07/06/jack-signs-with-cavaliers-for-26-million/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts

[DukeDelonte13]

good move. can't wait for the season to start.

[RIP CITY]

Good move for Cleveland, don't understand it from Jack's perspective. He could have gotten the same deal to be a starter somewhere.

[RedBlackAttack]

And, once again, this is a perfect example of why it can sometimes be in a team's best interest to allow free agency to play out a bit before jumping in head first. Don't make a move just to make it, because that's how you end up overpaying and something may come along that no one anticipated.

Jack is never available without the Iggy signing. Grant was patient and it paid off by having Jack literally fall in his lap.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Good move for Cleveland, don't understand it from Jack's perspective. He could have gotten the same deal to be a starter somewhere.
uhh, if you read a couple posts, he said it was b/c of Mike Brown.

[RIP CITY]

uhh, if you read a couple posts, he said it was b/c of Mike Brown.

LOL, Mike Brown huh? Yeah, I read that part and I find it hilarious. Mike Brown is awful, have no idea how that guy keeps getting Head Coaching jobs. Getting Jack to sign with Cleveland is probably the best Coaching move the guy has ever made.

[cavsfanatic]

Mike Brown isn't going to be running his offense. They hired a guy specifically for that from Phoenix

[EnoughSaid]

Cavs are looking more and more like a team that will sneak into that 8th spot. Eastern Conference and Western Conference are both going to be super exciting to watch next year. But let's just hope Kyrie can stay healthy and play 70+ games.

[It's A VC3!!!]

Updated roster...

PG - Kyrie Irving / Jarrett Jack
SG - Dion Waiters / CJ Miles or Wayne Ellington
SF - Alonzo Gee / Earl Clark / Sergie Karasev
PF - Tristan Thompson / Anthony Bennett
C - Anderson Varejao / Tyler Zeller
IF healthy, and a huge IF, this team can be a 7th seed in the playoffs. Anderson is the biggest IF. Kyrie needs to be healthy and come new and improved next year too. IDK if the Cavs want another lottery pick but next season should be "playoffs" season and build playoff experience.

[cavsfanatic]

LOL, Mike Brown huh? Yeah, I read that part and I find it hilarious. Mike Brown is awful, have no idea how that guy keeps getting Head Coaching jobs. Getting Jack to sign with Cleveland is probably the best Coaching move the guy has ever made.
You have no clue what you're talking about. You just worry about Josh Smith jacking 3's

[DMAVS41]

And, once again, this is a perfect example of why it can sometimes be in a team's best interest to allow free agency to play out a bit before jumping in head first. Don't make a move just to make it, because that's how you end up overpaying and something may come along that no one anticipated.

Jack is never available without the Iggy signing. Grant was patient and it paid off by having Jack literally fall in his lap.

True. Hard to stomach the Mavs signing a worse and older player to more money. And I'm not sure the details on either contract, but I think Jack's 4th year is a team option. Nut sure about Calderon.

Not that Jack would have come to Dallas or anything, but just sucks for my team.

Really happy for the Cavs though.

[RedBlackAttack]

You have no clue what you're talking about. You just worry about Josh Smith jacking 3's
The Cavs took a massive leap from 2005 with Paul Silas to 2006 with Mike Brown. And, guess what? So did LeBron James.

A lot of people tend to forget, but James was considered a defensive liability his first two seasons in the league and for good reasons. He'd occasionally get a steal/dunk or transition block, but for the most part, he was a pretty horrible defender.

The improvements he made with Mike Brown as coach were astounding on that end. And, that goes for the whole team. The Cavs were right at the top of the league in defense and rebounds every year Brown was a coach.

He also coached back-to-back 60+ win teams with what most regard as minimal talent around James. Somehow, Brown gets no credit for anything. Not the massive improvements made by both the team and its star player... Not the huge number of regular season wins.

Nothing.

Then, he goes to LA in a mess of a situation and still has a pretty good season, all things considered.


The reason Mike Brown continues getting coaching gigs is because he's a highly regarded coach.

[PJR]

Solid signing. Especially considering Kyrie has shown to be made out of of glass post his High School career. Need that insurance.

[RedBlackAttack]

True. Hard to stomach the Mavs signing a worse and older player to more money. And I'm not sure the details on either contract, but I think Jack's 4th year is a team option. Nut sure about Calderon.

Not that Jack would have come to Dallas or anything, but just sucks for my team.

Really happy for the Cavs though.
I liked the Calderon move when it was made. Like I said, you couldn't anticipate Jack becoming available or signing a steal of a contract (imo).

The "wait and see" approach is a gamble, because maybe nothing happens which opens up avenues to these kinds of players and you're stuck with nothing.

I'm sure CG's fingers couldn't dial fast enough the moment the Iggy deal was announced.

[DMAVS41]

I liked the Calderon move when it was made. Like I said, you couldn't anticipate Jack becoming available or signing a steal of a contract (imo).

The "wait and see" approach is a gamble, because maybe nothing happens which opens up avenues to these kinds of players and you're stuck with nothing.

I'm sure CG's fingers couldn't dial fast enough the moment the Iggy deal was announced.

Oh..yea..totally agree. I don't mind Calderon. Just like jack more...and he's younger.

[Heavincent]

Cavs making all the right moves.

[RIP CITY]

The Cavs took a massive leap from 2005 with Paul Silas to 2006 with Mike Brown. And, guess what? So did LeBron James.

A lot of people tend to forget, but James was considered a defensive liability his first two seasons in the league and for good reasons. He'd occasionally get a steal/dunk or transition block, but for the most part, he was a pretty horrible defender.

The improvements he made with Mike Brown as coach were astounding on that end. And, that goes for the whole team. The Cavs were right at the top of the league in defense and rebounds every year Brown was a coach.

He also coached back-to-back 60+ win teams with what most regard as minimal talent around James. Somehow, Brown gets no credit for anything. Not the massive improvements made by both the team and its star player... Not the huge number of regular season wins.

Nothing.

Then, he goes to LA in a mess of a situation and still has a pretty good season, all things considered.


The reason Mike Brown continues getting coaching gigs is because he's a highly regarded coach.

Mike Brown is a defensive coordinator not a Head Coach. He's an assistant Coach who specializes on the defensive end. He is not a good Head Coach, he should not continue to get Head Coaching jobs. He has to have someone come in and be the offensive coordinator just for him to be able to maintain the position of Head Coach, I'm sorry but that's not what I want out of my Head Coach. He had the best player in the NBA and a team full of good defensive role players/shooters and competed in a weak Eastern Conference. LeBron carried that team and Mike Brown on his back.

Mike Brown is not highly regarded as a Head Coach, he's highly regarded as Coach, I agree, because of his defense, but he is not a good Head Coach by any means.

[Derka]

Jarrett Jack making just short of $6 million per year. Lord Jesus help me. :facepalm

[LBJMVP]

Jarrett Jack making just short of $6 million per year. Lord Jesus help me. :facepalm

jack is worth around 5 million a year.

we usually have to up how much we pay for free agents, so 6 million a season is pretty good value in my opinion.

very good signing.

[RedBlackAttack]

Mike Brown is a defensive coordinator not a Head Coach. He's an assistant Coach who specializes on the defensive end. He is not a good Head Coach, he should not continue to get Head Coaching jobs. He has to have someone come in and be the offensive coordinator just for him to be able to maintain the position of Head Coach, I'm sorry but that's not what I want out of my Head Coach. He had the best player in the NBA and a team full of good defensive role players/shooters and competed in a weak Eastern Conference. LeBron carried that team and Mike Brown on his back.

Mike Brown is not highly regarded as a Head Coach, he's highly regarded as Coach, I agree, because of his defense, but he is not a good Head Coach by any means.
Instead of going through point-by-point and turning this into a LeBron James thread, I'll just say I completely disagree.

We'll see what happens during his return to Cleveland. Regardless, your characterization that this is the best thing he has ever done as head coach is absurd. The defensive/rebounding leap and general intensity of the Cavs from Silas to Brown was tangible. James was already very good in 2005. He wasn't playing defense, though, and neither were his teammates. They weren't rebounding, either, or playing with fire.

That changed the moment Brown was hired. Sorry, not a coincidence.

[DMAVS41]

Instead of going through point-by-point and turning this into a LeBron James thread, I'll just say I completely disagree.

We'll see what happens during his return to Cleveland.

I think the question about Brown is whether or not he can out coach or at least equal a quality coach in a playoff series. I think his track record is spotty at best in those situations.

He clearly knows how to get a team to play hard and play defense and rebound though...which is exactly what this Cavs team needs.

[RedBlackAttack]

I think the question about Brown is whether or not he can out coach or at least equal a quality coach in a playoff series. I think his track record is spotty at best in those situations.

He clearly knows how to get a team to play hard and play defense and rebound though...which is exactly what this Cavs team needs.
He didn't say "we'll see what happens when he faces an elite team in the playoffs that presents matchup problems."

He basically said Brown is worthless as a head coach. I think we can both agree that is way off the mark.

[DMAVS41]

He didn't say "we'll see what happens when he faces an elite team in the playoffs that presents matchup problems."

He basically said Brown is worthless as a head coach. I think we can both agree that is way off the mark.

Oh..yes.

I wasn't agreeing with him. I was just chiming in to give my thoughts.

Brown, at the very least, is a great regular season coach in my opinion. And I expect this Cavs team, if healthy, to challenge for 50 wins. I really think that Jack and Brown will be huge for them.

[RedBlackAttack]

Oh..yes.

I wasn't agreeing with him. I was just chiming in to give my thoughts.

Brown, at the very least, is a great regular season coach in my opinion. And I expect this Cavs team, if healthy, to challenge for 50 wins. I really think that Jack and Brown will be huge for them.
I have my own questions about whether or not Brown is the guy who can take this team to a championship. I'm not so sure, for some of the reasons you stated.

However, for this stage of the development and considering what this team needs right now and what it lacks, Brown is pretty much perfect. The Cavs did not win 23 games last year because of a lack of scoring. When everyone was healthy, scoring was not the issue.

Intensity defensively and being able to get big stops and rebounds... Those were the biggest issues. Our young guys, Kyrie, Dion, Bennett, Zeller learning how to play on the defensive end... That's the biggest issue.

Basically, learning how to win. Brown is the right guy for this next step the franchise needs to take. Now, can he take them all the way going against the likes of Greg Popovich and Doc Rivers? I'm not willing to say that yet, but this team was nowhere near even being a playoff team last year.

You have to walk before you run. I have confidence Brown will teach them how to walk. The running remains to be seen.

[bluechox2]

I have my own questions about whether or not Brown is the guy who can take this team to a championship. I'm not so sure, for some of the reasons you stated.

However, for this stage of the development and considering what this team needs right now and what it lacks, Brown is pretty much perfect. The Cavs did not win 23 games last year because of a lack of scoring. When everyone was healthy, scoring was not the issue.

Intensity defensively and being able to get big stops and rebounds... Those were the biggest issues. Our young guys, Kyrie, Dion, Bennett, Zeller learning how to play on the defensive end... That's the biggest issue.

Basically, learning how to win. Brown is the right guy for this next step the franchise needs to take. Now, can he take them all the way going against the likes of Greg Popovich and Doc Rivers? I'm not willing to say that yet, but this team was nowhere near even being a playoff team last year.

You have to walk before you run. I have confidence Brown will teach them how to walk. The running remains to be seen.
golden state has went down to a 8th seeded team, jack was a big resaon for their sucess

[1~Gibson~1]

Mike Brown is a defensive coordinator not a Head Coach. He's an assistant Coach who specializes on the defensive end. He is not a good Head Coach, he should not continue to get Head Coaching jobs. He has to have someone come in and be the offensive coordinator just for him to be able to maintain the position of Head Coach, I'm sorry but that's not what I want out of my Head Coach. He had the best player in the NBA and a team full of good defensive role players/shooters and competed in a weak Eastern Conference. LeBron carried that team and Mike Brown on his back.

Mike Brown is not highly regarded as a Head Coach, he's highly regarded as Coach, I agree, because of his defense, but he is not a good Head Coach by any means.You hit the hammer right on the head. Mike Brown is a great defensive specialist but when it comes to offense he isn't the brightest bulb.

On the Cleveland team in the LeBron days it was horrible, but mainly because we had at most one other guy that could create for himself (Mo Williams, sometimes Delonte West) and Mo Williams choked during the playoffs.

This time around he has a significant increase in talent as compared to what he had last time. Dion Waiters, Kyrie Irving, Anthony Bennett, Jarrett Jack. Im sure he'll he can come up with at least one play to get the ball in the bucket with those players. And more than likely he wont even be coaching the offense. Last time around one of our assistants was the "offensive coordinator" of the team and eventually left for a Head coaching spot in Detroit.

OVERALL, he is a good head coach, just not a great offensive one. There's more to coaching than just offense and defense (specifically winning). And if he can coach that thrown together squad we had back in 07 to the Finals then im sure he can work magic with this one.

[RedBlackAttack]

Couple tidbits from Jason Lloyd, who seems to have a good contact within the organization.

@jasonlloydabj

I'd say Jack signing ends pursuit of Ellington. #Cavs liked him but didn't qualify him b/c they wanted to upgrade if possible. They just did


And ‎#Cavs aren't done yet. Still looking for another big either through trade or free agency
^^^Asik perhaps? Maybe Greg Oden?

[1~Gibson~1]

Couple tidbits from Jason Lloyd, who seems to have a good contact within the organization.

@jasonlloydabj



^^^Asik perhaps? Maybe Greg Oden?hopefully Asik! Greg Oden not so much.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Still feel like the made the wrong decision at #1, but every other move seems good.

Is Ellington signed?

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

hopefully Asik! Greg Oden not so much.
wonder what they'd trade for Asik? I don't think Houston would demand much given their roster, maybe just picks? Then Houston could sign like Dalembert back.

[1~Gibson~1]

Still feel like the made the wrong decision at #1, but every other move seems good.

Is Ellington signed?We didn't extend him QO and it doesn't look like he'll return after this signing.

[Kujo]

Cavs will definitely push for playoff seeding next season. Looks like their days of being in the lottery are over for now.

Jack is a great backup combo guard.

[Kurosawa0]

Honestly, better than Mo Williams. :lol

[RedBlackAttack]

Still feel like the made the wrong decision at #1, but every other move seems good.

Is Ellington signed?
This Jack deal likely cuts Ellington out of the picture, though I'd personally like to bring him back (depending on his pricetag of course). He was the team's dead-eye shooter, taking over for the oft injured and useless Daniel Gibson.

I think they feel this shooting situation has been addressed in the draft with Karasev, who not a lot of people are talking about, but the Cavs are very high on. He was said to be arguably the best natural shooter in this class. Bennett is also a very good shooter all the way out beyond the 3-point line.

I'm guessing Karasev will be seeing time at both the 2 and the 3. He and Jack will essentially be replacing Livingston/Ellington, from the looks of it. We'll see what happens with CJ Miles.

[SpecialQue]

For all the hate we gave him here in LA, Mike Brown did coach a Lakers team that got the 3 spot in the notoriously tough Western Conference and at one point I believe had the best home record in the league. Looking back on it, I'll admit that we may have been harsh on Brown, and that he probably is a lot better than most people give him credit for. To be honest, I'd be willing to bet anything that if the Lakers didn't fire him that Kobe injury never happens. After all, he's the only coach aside from Phil who'd have the balls to bench him in the 4th. I'm sure he's going to have this team looking damn good next season.

[LosBulls]

Updated roster...

PG - Kyrie Irving / Jarrett Jack
SG - Dion Waiters / CJ Miles or Wayne Ellington
SF - LeBron James / Earl Clark / Sergie Karasev
PF - Tristan Thompson / Anthony Bennett
C - Anderson Varejao / Tyler Zeller
What could be..

[RedBlackAttack]

wonder what they'd trade for Asik? I don't think Houston would demand much given their roster, maybe just picks? Then Houston could sign like Dalembert back.
The Cavs have what looks to be a pretty valuable potential pick in next year's draft with that Sacramento pick. It is top-12 protected next year, but the Kings look like they're trying to assemble a team which will push them possibly out of the Bottom 10 in the league. With the additions of Greivis Vasquez and Carl Landry, we'll see if that can help change the losing culture there.

The Kings wouldn't necessarily have to make the playoffs for that pick to be available for this loaded 2014 draft... Just not be one of the 12 worst. I think it's possible.

Cavs also own the Heat and Grizz first round picks in 2015 and a trove of second round picks in the coming years.

All that to go along with their own picks, obviously.

I'm not sure what it would take to make a deal happen, but I'd say the Cavs have more than enough assets if they really wanted to make it happen.

[RedBlackAttack]

What could be..
Nah. I like how things are going without him. I'd prefer to add a really good rim protecting big man. Or a young, potentially star SF.

[Meticode]

Great signing and not overpaid. We just need a big. If Oden shows healthy I'd take a one year stab at him at the right price. He could come off the bench and play 15 per game.

Asia at 10 million per season is too much for me to swallow.

[Funnyfuka]

Updated roster...

PG - Kyrie Irving / Jarrett Jack
SG - Dion Waiters / CJ Miles or Wayne Ellington
SF - Alonzo Gee / Earl Clark / Sergie Karasev
PF - Tristan Thompson / Anthony Bennett
C - Anderson Varejao / Tyler Zeller

Who?/Who?
Who?/Who?/Who?
Who?/Who?/Who?
Who?/Who?
Who?/Who?

:facepalm

[Meticode]

Who?/Who?
Who?/Who?/Who?
Who?/Who?/Who?
Who?/Who?
Who?/Who?

:facepalmBad joke.

[DMV2]

Updated roster...

PG - Kyrie Irving / Jarrett Jack
SG - Dion Waiters / CJ Miles or Wayne Ellington
SF - Alonzo Gee / Earl Clark / Sergie Karasev
PF - Tristan Thompson / Anthony Bennett
C - Anderson Varejao / Tyler Zeller
Playoff or bust

2 spots open with the Celtics or Bucks most likely not making it.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

I'm not sure what it would take to make a deal happen, but I'd say the Cavs have more than enough assets if they really wanted to make it happen.
yeah. and just to clarify, "given their roster" was a reference to Houston's. They don't really need anything, as far as I can tell. So they may just demand picks, unless they do a big-for-big trade (Varejao?).

...though it does make me think, perhaps, there could be some crazy big trade. I wonder if GM Grant would be willing to trade away one of his signature draft picks already? Say like Tristan + Quinn + 1st rnd pick for Asik + Greg Smith/TJones? Houston gets a definitive starting PF (or is Montiejunas pretty set at their starting PF now?) and some PG depth just in case. Cleveland can make Varejao energy bench guy and start Bennett at the PF, while getting a solid backup for him.

[cavsfanatic]

yeah. and just to clarify, "given their roster" was a reference to Houston's. They don't really need anything, as far as I can tell. So they may just demand picks, unless they do a big-for-big trade (Varejao?).

...though it does make me think, perhaps, there could be some crazy big trade. I wonder if GM Grant would be willing to trade away one of his signature draft picks already? Say like Tristan + Quinn + 1st rnd pick for Asik + Greg Smith/TJones? Houston gets a definitive starting PF (or is Montiejunas pretty set at their starting PF now?) and some PG depth just in case. Cleveland can make Varejao energy bench guy and start Bennett at the PF, while getting a solid backup for him.
No way Cavs are trading Tristan and a 1st rd pick for those players

[bdreason]

Warriors should have offered him the MLE, bah.

[MeLO MvP 15]

Warriors should have offered him the MLE, bah.
They lost the MLE when they signed Iguodala. Unless they did it in the way in which they got a huge TPE from Utah and then used that TPE to sign and trade for Iggy.

[Andi]

Tristan Thompson for Omer Asik ?
Varejao backs Asik?
Start Bennett, go all in?
They need defense from Asik..
Good trade if u ask me :)

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Cleveland not going hard afrer a sf tells me that they're hoping for James in 2014.

[RedBlackAttack]

Cleveland not going hard afrer a sf tells me that they're hoping for James in 2014.
Tells me there weren't any worthwhile SFs on the market this offseason.

[coin24]

Tells me there weren't any worthwhile SFs on the market this offseason.
This.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Tells me there weren't any worthwhile SFs on the market this offseason.
Iguodala

[RedBlackAttack]

Iguodala
Nothing against him, but I don't personally believe he is worth what he's getting paid. I don't think the Cavs ever had any plans of investing that kind of money into any FA this offseason, regardless of position. It was a seller's market and Iggy was one of the biggest names on the block.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Nothing against him, but I don't personally believe he is worth what he's getting paid. I don't think the Cavs ever had any plans of investing that kind of money into any FA this offseason, regardless of position. It was a seller's market and Iggy was one of the biggest names on the block.
Well he was available. No marquee free agent is going to cleveland (nothing against Cleveland Toronto is the same way) except maybe james.

[RedBlackAttack]

Well he was available. No marquee free agent is going to cleveland (nothing against Cleveland Toronto is the same way) except maybe james.
That is the whole reason this rebuild was done through the draft. There are now two No. 1 overall picks and two other Top 4 picks on the roster. That is the team's core now and going forward, imo. Now, it's about filling in the spaces.

I really just don't want James. He was here for seven years. The franchise has moved on. I have no desire to go back to him and the whole sideshow that comes with him.

Not to mention, I fail to see how both Kyrie and Dion will be effective on a team where James is dominating the ball. The last thing this team needs is another ball-dominant player. Yeah, he's the best player in the league, but I'm ready for this new era Cavs, more like our late-80s, early-90s team than the James-centric years.

I hope he stays in Miami. I really do.

[mugiwara]

Jarrett Jack is a short SG, a great leader, deadly mid range shooter and very crafty on drives but he will not make your bigs better.. unless they are good offensive rebounders haha

[KobeRules24]

Playing Irving and Jack together will work in some occasions but this team will have a losing record again. They don't have a lot of experience and their bench is garbage. Not to mention they can't afford an injury at any position because of the limited talent. This team is a mess just like my lakers but they have a chance of making the playoffs if all goes well.

[1~Gibson~1]

Playing Irving and Jack together will work in some occasions but this team will have a losing record again. They don't have a lot of experience and their bench is garbage. Not to mention they can't afford an injury at any position because of the limited talent. This team is a mess just like my lakers but they have a chance of making the playoffs if all goes well.This team isnt a mess unlike the Lakers. Our roster is filled with young talent, depth and we have cap space. While everyone in LA is old and overpaid. Have fun "reaching out" to Lamar Odom :rolleyes:

[DukeDelonte13]

Playing Irving and Jack together will work in some occasions but this team will have a losing record again. They don't have a lot of experience and their bench is garbage. Not to mention they can't afford an injury at any position because of the limited talent. This team is a mess just like my lakers but they have a chance of making the playoffs if all goes well.


Jarret Jack and Anthony Bennett coming off the bench isn't too shabby.

[GOBB]

Great signing and not overpaid. We just need a big. If Oden shows healthy I'd take a one year stab at him at the right price. He could come off the bench and play 15 per game.

Asia at 10 million per season is too much for me to swallow.

Oden has shown he cant be healthy. Why do people keep talkin him up? :confusedshrug:

Guy has an extensive history of being injured.

[DukeDelonte13]

Oden has shown he cant be healthy. Why do people keep talkin him up? :confusedshrug:

Guy has an extensive history of being injured.


Its the ohio state thing.

Every year you hear local media and fans go, why not sign Lighty? Buford? should we draft Sullinger? Can Diebler provide the cavs with 3pt shooting? Why didn't the cavs nab Deshaun Thomas?

[GOBB]

Its the ohio state thing.

Every year you hear local media and fans go, why not sign Lighty? Buford? should we draft Sullinger? Can Diebler provide the cavs with 3pt shooting? Why didn't the cavs nab Deshaun Thomas?

Makes sense.



Jarrett Jack is a short SG, a great leader, deadly mid range shooter and very crafty on drives but he will not make your bigs better.. unless they are good offensive rebounders haha

Irving/Waiters starting with Jack being the first guard off the bench is solid.

[DMAVS41]

Iguodala

He's good, but doesn't fit in the what the Cavs are doing. They aren't a contender right now so it's pointless to get a guy like him.

Iggy is perfect for a team like the Warriors. A team that really might contend if healthy now.

[KobeRules24]

This team isnt a mess unlike the Lakers. Our roster is filled with young talent, depth and we have cap space. While everyone in LA is old and overpaid. Have fun "reaching out" to Lamar Odom :rolleyes:

Im the first one to admit that the Lakers are a mess right now. Your team has been trying to build a winner but no one wants to play in Cleveland. We will see if Kevin Love decides to join Uncle Drew next year.

[DukeDelonte13]

Im the first one to admit that the Lakers are a mess right now. Your team has been trying to buid a winner but no one wants to play in Cleveland. We will see if Kevin Love decides to join Uncle Drew next year.


funny cause you guys just lost Dwight Howard to houston and Earl Clark to cleveland of all places :oldlol: :oldlol:

[KobeRules24]

funny cause you guys just lost Dwight Howard to houston and Earl Clark to cleveland of all places :oldlol: :oldlol:

Other than Howard we don't swing and miss on superstars that often. Earl Clark? Ha! You can have him. You guys know that it will be difficult to get a star to pair with Irving. The Lakers will get superstars again, they are the lakers. Even you know that.

[chips93]

Tells me there weren't any worthwhile SFs on the market this offseason.

dorrell wright would have been a good fit, and he cost the blazers 1.5 million less than we are paying clark.

although the more i look into it, clark did play more SF last year for the lakers, than i had initially thought.



if there was nobody worth spending on this off-season, and you dont want us to get lebron next summer, who are the great FA next summer?

it seems to me that the cavs FO is looking to make a run at lebron, and that does worry me a little.

although id love to have him back.

[1~Gibson~1]

Im the first one to admit that the Lakers are a mess right now. Your team has been trying to build a winner but no one wants to play in Cleveland. We will see if Kevin Love decides to join Uncle Drew next year.
Well im glad youve finally realized this after we've been saying this for almost ever.. Cleveland wont attract many all stars via free agency but we've still put together a team far better than what it was. Not to mention signing a great 6th man in Jarrett Jack and one of your teams very own uprising talents Earl Clark.

I guess all LA could possibly hope for is next year :oldlol:
Better hurry before the Mamba decides to retire.
Better hurry before Nash retires as well.
.....or before another coach is fired.

[ReturnofJPR]

This team isnt a mess unlike the Lakers. Our roster is filled with young talent, depth and we have cap space. While everyone in LA is old and overpaid. Have fun "reaching out" to Lamar Odom :rolleyes:

Cap space means nothing. Cleveland will have to decide which players to keep because soon the rest of the league will come and raid the Cavs' cupboard and just like Josh Smith got paid, some desperate team will overpay to rob Cleveland of their young talent.

Same thing happened to the Bulls a while back. Do you want Dion Waters making $12 mil per? Well one awesome run during a contract year and Waiters will get Ben Gordon money..

It's fun now for the Cavs but in 2-3 years, they better guess right on what players to keep and for how much.

[1~Gibson~1]

Cap space means nothing. Cleveland will have to decide which players to keep because soon the rest of the league will come and raid the Cavs' cupboard and just like Josh Smith got paid, some desperate team will overpay to rob Cleveland of their young talent.

Same thing happened to the Bulls a while back. Do you want Dion Waters making $12 mil per? Well one awesome run during a contract year and Waiters will get Ben Gordon money..

It's fun now for the Cavs but in 2-3 years, they better guess right on what players to keep and for how much.
We drafted him. We'll own his bird rights and be able to sign him to how ever much is needed. Cap or no cap.

[Meticode]

Oden has shown he cant be healthy. Why do people keep talkin him up? :confusedshrug:

Guy has an extensive history of being injured.
GOBB,

Why are the f*ck are you coming at me with this mayne? Really? REALLY!? Weren't you the same motherf*cker nearly over a year ago that was all for Andrew Bynum coming to Philly? You basically you said you take a chance on that type of talent even with his injury situation. Oden isn't Bynum no doubt, but again Oden isn't going to need money $ Bynum was inquiring at the time either motherf*cker to stay long term. I can't believe you're going to come at me talking about injury situation. The only way I take a chance on Oden if it's a 1-2 year deal and it's a fair offer and he's showing healthy.

Bynum Coming to Philly Thread: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274755&page=2

GOBB talking about loving the ballsy move on aquiring Bynum: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7694032&postcount=46

GOBB talking about can't waiting for Bynum to take on the Nets and to bend Brook Lopez over: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7694170&postcount=51

GOBB talking about people criticizing the Bynum move when Brook Lopez was signed to max contract while injured: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7694456&postcount=76

So again, why are you coming at me with this. You were all for acquiring injured Bynum and taking the risk and giving up assets of your team for that criticizing other moves. Now Bynum is a FA, Philly doesn't want his ass, and they're rebuilding or close to rebuilding. And what is the result of Bynum falling through? Everything! They're f*cking starting over now Jrue Holiday is gone. And now what? They trade arguably their best player on the roster at the time (Holiday) for a big that has another knee injury in Noel? I'm not saying Noel will not turn out, he very well could, but I can't believe your asking me this god damn f*cking question.

If Oden is healthy and he shows any ability like he did when he first came in, offer him a 1-2 year deal for the right price...take it. It's not like we're giving up players for Oden and wanting him to start playing 35 minutes per game or banking on it to work out like the whole Bynum situation. You were predicting Bynum bending Lopez over his lap and all this sh!t/ Now what? Bynum is gone, you got nothing for him, you had to trade Holiday because of the rebuilding phase and you're left with Evan f*cking ball hog Turner and Thaddeus Young as your best player with 14/8/5 (who had arguably his best efficient season last year).

What happened to Brook Lopez? He had his second best season, 19/7 with 52% from the field and got 2.1 blocks per game.

Get the f*ck away from me mayne.

[cavsfanatic]

We drafted him. We'll own his bird rights and be able to sign him to how ever much is needed. Cap or no cap.
he's saying that we won't overpay to keep Waiters unless he's a beast and some team will overpay him regardless. He's saying that we will have to make some tough decisions on who to let go because their contracts will be expiring around same time

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm sure Grant has thought about the fact that three of the team's core players will be coming up for new contracts all around the same time... Irving, Thompson and Waiters.

I think Waiters is going to be really good, so I have a feeling he and Kyrie will be the top priorities when that time comes.

There are worse things that could happen than having to dish out money to keep all of your guys. That means they've played up to the high level that was expected. Better that than the alternative... Drafting a bust that no one else wants.

We're talking a couple years down the road, here. I'm not too concerned with all that right now. So far, Grant has done a very good job as GM. I will trust that he's taking all of that into account.


if there was nobody worth spending on this off-season, and you dont want us to get lebron next summer, who are the great FA next summer?

it seems to me that the cavs FO is looking to make a run at lebron, and that does worry me a little.

although id love to have him back.

A guy like Deng would be a good addition, depending upon how much salary he would command. I don't think with Butler's growth Chicago is all that worried about losing him and, depending on how the Cavs grow next year, he might want to play for an up and coming team with an opening at SF.

I really don't think Grant is concerned about James. If he really was, he could have just stood pat this offseason and had the cap room to sign a max contract without having to make other moves. He didn't do that. With the over $10 million going to Jack and Clark, the Cavs would have likely do something like trade Varejao to be able to afford a max contract.

I think he's done a really good job so far this offseason. This was the way to handle it. Not an incredibly strong FA class at the top, but wait and see what comes available when the top guys get moved. That's how Jack ended up on the roster.

I wish James would just sign a damn extension in Miami and get it over with so I can stop hearing about him.

Btw, don't be shocked if the Cavs make a play for Asik now that he's apparently asking for a trade.