Most overrated players since 1990.

[Connor B]

Jason Kidd
Chris Paul

[Johnny Jones]

Kobe

[HALLandOATES]

chris paul . hes going lead a team to a championship???lmao. good move doc.

[CelticBaller]

http://bball-nba.webs.com/photos/Celtics--Magic--Nets/carter.jpg

[fpliii]

Eh, I don't really like the terms overrated/underrated since different people value things differently. If we do choose to use them though, I think the following are true in general:

[lilblingy]

1. Kobe (He is not the GOAT, second GOAT, or top 5.)
2. Jordan (He is the GOAT but a lot of people will have you believe that he was perfect and no one else in history is close to him. I'm talking pure basketball skills here, not fame.)
3. Kevin love
4. Blake Griffin
5. Lin (A lot of people see him for what he is now but that linsanity shit was too extreme. I bet you there are still people in china that considers him a star.)
6. Rondo (Good player, great defense, hustles but some of his stats are padded and he is not the best PG in the game.

[Bandito]

lebron
rondo
vince
McGrady
Dwight
Kobe after 09
Durant

[SpecialQue]

All of them.

[FireMcFailPlease]

Rasho Nesterovic

Mikki Moore

JR Reid

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Paul Pierce
Elton Brand
Reggie Miller
Chauncey Billups
Ray Allen

[CelticBaller]

lebron
rondo
vince
McGrady
Dwight
Kobe after 09
Durant
:coleman:
The guy was one of the scorers of all time and even when he was on top off his game he was never consider a top 3 player
Iverson is more overrated

[ZHAKIDD532]

Tracy McGrady

[Mr Know It All]

Allen Iverson
Kobe Bryant (Post-Shaq)
Steve Nash (Two MVPs still the greatest travesty in NBA History)
Derrick Rose

[SilkkTheShocker]

Allen Iverson
Kobe Bryant (Post-Shaq)
Steve Nash (Two MVPs still the greatest travesty in NBA History)
Derrick Rose

This is a great list. :applause:

[WayOfWade]

Paul Pierce
Elton Brand
Reggie Miller
Chauncey Billups
Ray Allen
Perhaps Reggie Miller & Elton Brand, but the others guys seem solid to me. To each his own though, there aren't really any right or wrong answers with this thread's question.

[PJR]

Steve Nash. Particularly during his "MVP" seasons. A complete farce. Dude won an League MVP putting up 15/11. :facepalm :facepalm

[PickernRoller]

Lebron
Vince

[memetherapy]

Kobe by everyone who doesn't understand that basketball is a team sport
Vince by everyone who thinks dunks count for more than 2 points
Iverson by everyone who thinks being short should give you some kind of handicap
Nash by everyone who knows bball is a team sport, but still hasn't figured out that defense is more important than offense
Rondo by everyone who thinks playing good team ball is simply racking up assists

[fpliii]

Kobe by everyone who doesn't understand that basketball is a team sport
Vince by everyone who thinks dunks count for more than 2 points
Iverson by everyone who thinks being short should give you some kind of handicap
Nash by everyone who knows bball is a team sport, but still hasn't figured out that defense is more important than offense
Rondo by everyone who thinks playing good team ball is simply racking up assists

Supposedly they actually are doing/considering that in North Korea. :eek:

[Ne 1]

Michael Jordan. He has a strong case as the greatest, but he's a cult of personality.



A cult of personality arises when an individual uses mass media, propaganda, or other methods, to create an idealized and heroic public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.[1] Cults of personality are usually associated with dictatorships. The sociologist Max Weber developed a tripartite classification of authority; the cult of personality holds parallels with what Weber defined as 'charismatic authority'.

A cult of personality is similar to hero worship, except that it is established by mass media and propaganda. However, the term may be applied by analogy to refer to adulation of religious or non-political leaders.

While the cult of personality generally applies to the enhancement and promotion of a political or religious doctrine, it stands to reason that it is also asserted in everyday situations where popularity is used to advocate conformity to philosophies and lifestyles, even products and attitudes by way of peer pressure and herd mentality.


Andgar for example, he thinks that rookie Jordan is better than prime LeBron/prime Kobe. He also said that current, 50 year old Jordan could drop 50 points in an NBA game today. Some of these Jordan mythologists make it seem like Jordan never missed a shot or lost a game.

People often put Jordan up on a pedestal and are under this illusion that he is untouchable and by far and away the clear, undisputed greatest. He's ascribed God-like qualities at times by his biggest fans, and to them Jordan being the greatest is an irrefutable fact, and not just their opinion.

Now if someone thinks Jordan is the GOAT that's fine, he certainty has a strong case, but there isn't this unquestionable line between Jordan and the rest of the all-time great players that the media has made, and it's a shame that these careers aren't getting the respect they deserve. The GOAT title in basketball is actually closer and tighter than in any other major North American sports (other than NFL because of all the different positions), but you wouldn't know it.

[Nash]

Perkins during the Boston days. My god.

[Living Being]

Westbrook, Rose, LeBron, Paul, Wade

[Kurosawa0]

Karl Malone
David Robinson
Reggie Miller
Allen Iverson
Vince Carter
Yao Ming
Steve Nash
Rasheed Wallace
Dwight Howard
Tony Parker
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Bosh
Chris Paul

[K Xerxes]

Dwyane Wade, easily.

I would say Parker too, but the guy was exposed in the finals so much.

[Magic 32]

Any all-star guard in the eastern conference since 1998.

WC teams that made it above the 8th or 7th spot without a quality frontcourt (00-10) = 3 or 4

EC teams that made it above the 8th or 7th spot without a quality frontcourt (00-10) = a billion

[BoutPractice]

In the 00s: Allen Iverson and Vince Carter. Steve Francis was really overrated back in the day, as was Stephon Marbury, but people have come to their senses since.

[PJR]

Dwyane Wade, easily.


How in the world is Wade overrated? :facepalm

[Young X]

How in the world is Wade overrated? :facepalm
That's what I'm saying :oldlol:

He's been overlooked his whole career. He averaged 30/7/5 in a season, led a team to a title, averages 25/5/5 for his career and people still rank players like Joe Dumars and Reggie Miller over him.

Wade is the one player that ISN'T overrated.

[Boston C's]

Paul Pierce
Elton Brand
Reggie Miller
Chauncey Billups
Ray Allen

idk how pierce or allen were overrated...those dudes were never talked about...if anything they were the most underrated superstars...pierce had an old man game that nobody really liked even though he could sh!t on anyone offensively and allen played in small markets during his whole prime/peak plus he was such a good shooter that it overshadowed the fact he had a solid all around game

[noob cake]

Kobe Bryant

[Living Being]

Wade needed Shaq and Payton. He had no rival in the finals. He didn't win shit before then.....but seriously, people were calling him GOAT around then. He proved he was a one-hit wonder by sucking until LeBron came.

[97 bulls]

Michael Jordan. He has a strong case as the greatest, but he's a cult of personality.




Andgar for example, he thinks that rookie Jordan is better than prime LeBron/prime Kobe. He also said that current, 50 year old Jordan could drop 50 points in an NBA game today. Some of these Jordan mythologists make it seem like Jordan never missed a shot or lost a game.

People often put Jordan up on a pedestal and are under this illusion that he is untouchable and by far and away the clear, undisputed greatest. He's ascribed God-like qualities at times by his biggest fans, and to them Jordan being the greatest is an irrefutable fact, and not just their opinion.

Now if someone thinks Jordan is the GOAT that's fine, he certainty has a strong case, but there isn't this unquestionable line between Jordan and the rest of the all-time great players that the media has made, and it's a shame that these careers aren't getting the respect they deserve. The GOAT title in basketball is actually closer and tighter than in any other major North American sports (other than NFL because of all the different positions), but you wouldn't know it.Jordan has the strongest case. The best argument against Jordan is the moronic stance that he should've won in the 80s in spite of minimal support.

[Young X]

Wade needed Shaq and Payton. He had no rival in the finals. He didn't win shit before then.....but seriously, people were calling him GOAT around then. He proved he was a one-hit wonder by sucking until LeBron came.
Nothing in this post is about how Wade played on the court.

....and how do you suck if you win Finals MVP and a scoring title?

[PJR]

Wade needed Shaq and Payton. He had no rival in the finals. He didn't win shit before then.....but seriously, people were calling him GOAT around then. He proved he was a one-hit wonder by sucking until LeBron came.

^ Moron.

[Frozen1]

Chris Paul easily.

A big man who put 17 points and 10 rebounds is an average player.

A point guard who put 17 points and 10 assists on 48%FG is the third best player in the league.

[Magic 32]

Michael Jordan. He has a strong case as the greatest, but he's a cult of personality.

So he's the greatest is what you are saying.

[Living Being]

Nothing in this post is about how Wade played on the court.

....and how do you suck if you win Finals MVP and a scoring title?
This is not about him being good or not. He's just overrated. Short prime. He lost to Atlanta in 09. lmao 8 for 21 with 8 turnovers in game 7.

[Magic 32]

Chris Paul easily.

A big man who put 17 points and 10 rebounds is an average player.

A point guard who put 17 points and 10 assists on 48%FG is the third best player in the league.

Good point. And he's a shameless flopper (like a lot of overrated players).

http://guycodeblog.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/clutch/2012/06/PaulFlop.gif

[Crafty]

Wade? Overrated? :oldlol:

[Living Being]

Good point. And he's a shameless flopper (like a lot of overrated players).

+1 to Wade argument.

[StocktonFan]

How has no one mentioned Kevin Garnett?

[Jacks3]

Wade. Only 4 elite seasons for his entire career. 0 MVP's. Never the best player in the league. Horrible longevity/durability. Just had one of the worst post-seasons in history for a star level player. No jumper. Destroys his teams spacing. Is seemingly always injured. Has made no adjustments in his game to counteract aging.

Yet people think he's top 20 all-time/top 3 SG all-time.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Jacks3]

Dwyane Wade, easily.


:applause:

[uber]

How has no one mentioned Kevin Garnett?

:facepalm

[longtime lurker]

I'd have to say Chris Paul is up there. I've heard people say he's already a top 5 point guard of all time. And this was like 2 years ago!

[gengiskhan]

Kobe

Kobe easily!

He is actually considered Top 10 GOATs. :roll: :roll: :lol

[Young X]

This is not about him being good or not. He's just overrated. Short prime. He lost to Atlanta in 09. lmao 8 for 21 with 8 turnovers in game 7.
That was in game 1, he had 31 in game 7, you still didn't explain why Wade's GAME is overrated.

Chris Paul easily.

A big man who put 17 points and 10 rebounds is an average player.

A point guard who put 17 points and 10 assists on 48%FG is the third best player in the league.
17 pts/10 asts with 2.4 steals in only 33 MPG while leading the league in assist to TO ratio and steals = 3rd most productive player in the league.

[Ne 1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53dn_D6FWBk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5oCGz32_Zg

[Living Being]

That was in game 1, he had 31 in game 7, you still didn't explain why Wade's GAME is overrated.

My mistake. Wade is overrated. What are you talking about with this "Wade's GAME" comment? You see the thread title?

[aj1987]

Wade needed Shaq and Payton. He had no rival in the finals. He didn't win shit before then.....but seriously, people were calling him GOAT around then. He proved he was a one-hit wonder by sucking until LeBron came.
Shaq who averaged 13 and 10? We aren't talking about a prime Shaq who averaged 38/16 in the Finals. Also, GP? You are dumb. GP averaged 3/2/2 on 37% and played only 22 minutes a game.
While you're at it, don't forget about how about how Shaq carried Wade past the Pistons in '05 after Wade got injured.

It's a surprise that the Heat even made the playoffs in '09 and '10, with the team that they had.

We have people who rate Iverson and T-Mac over Wade on this board. Players who haven't won shit and are as one dimensional as they come. Yet, you think Wade is overrated? LMAO!:roll: 25/6/5 on 50% over 10 seasons. 3 rings and 1 FMVP. Would've been 4 and 2 if Lebron didn't choke in '11.

[97 bulls]

Wade is overrated. Ive never seen a player get sooo much credit for four great games and a scoring title.

[KyleKong]

Kobe, people saying he is 2nd on GOAT list and a carbon copy of MJ.

:roll: :roll:

[red1]

Wade is overrated. Ive never seen a player get sooo much credit for four great games and a scoring title.
are you dumb? wade is actually underrated

[Living Being]

Shaq who averaged 13 and 10? We aren't talking about a prime Shaq who averaged 38/16 in the Finals. Also, GP? You are dumb. GP averaged 3/2/2 on 37% and played only 22 minutes a game.
While you're at it, don't forget about how about how Shaq carried Wade past the Pistons in '05 after Wade got injured.

It's a surprise that the Heat even made the playoffs in '09 and '10, with the team that they had.
.
:applause:

[aj1987]

Wade is overrated. Ive never seen a player get sooo much credit for four great games and a scoring title.
How about a career average of 25/6/5 on 50% (10 years), a 23/5/5 in the '12 Finals, 20/4/5 in this years Finals, 27/7/5 in '11 Finals, carrying a team of scrubs to the playoffs in '09 and '10? Only 4 great games and a scoring title?

[97 bulls]

How about a career average of 25/6/5 on 50% (10 years), a 23/5/5 in the '12 Finals, 20/4/5 in this years Finals, 27/7/5 in '11 Finals, carrying a team of scrubs to the playoffs in '09 and '10? Only 4 great games and a scoring title?
Wade is a great player. No one can dispute that. But ive seen people drop top 15 ranking on him. Hes not that great.

[aj1987]

Wade is a great player. No one can dispute that. But ive seen people drop top 15 ranking on him. Hes not that great.
I have in the top 22-23. Top 15 is too high for sure.

[GrapeApe]

I have in the top 22-23. Top 15 is too high for sure.

People who rank him in the top 15 are just trying to discredit LeBron. Top 20-25 is about right. Anyone who actually claims that Wade is overrated is clueless, hopeless, and an all around terrible human being.

[MiseryCityTexas]

In the 00s: Allen Iverson and Vince Carter. Steve Francis was really overrated back in the day, as was Stephon Marbury, but people have come to their senses since.


Francis and Marbury were overrated, but Baron Davis is rated just fine. **** outta here with that bullshit nonsense.:oldlol:

[LongLiveTheKing]

Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin

[DetroitPiston]

Reggie Miller (Got out of hand after he made some shots in the clutch. Had guys like Rik Smits helping him out, while Ray Allen was playing alongside guys like Chris Wilcox)

Kobe (Decent player, but not a superstar. Needed Shaq and Pau to help him out. No shame in having help, but people make it as if he was doing everything.)

Steve Nash (I'm a huge fan of Nash, I like his game, but he's not going to win you anything. That he got those MVPs were a surprise to me. Decent, but his college coach had told him Nash was the worst defender he had ever seen.)

Chris Bosh (He's not bad, but man, he is not an elite player.)

[Horde of Temujin]

Dwight Howard.

[TheBigVeto]

Kobe

[MiseryCityTexas]

Eddie Jones was pretty overrated considering he started over Kobe. he had his own team jordan brand shoe in the mid 90s and everything.

[prodigyjazz]

Chris Paul and Kevin Love

[riseagainst]

Reggie Miller (Got out of hand after he made some shots in the clutch. Had guys like Rik Smits helping him out, while Ray Allen was playing alongside guys like Chris Wilcox)

Kobe (Decent player, but not a superstar. Needed Shaq and Pau to help him out. No shame in having help, but people make it as if he was doing everything.)

Steve Nash (I'm a huge fan of Nash, I like his game, but he's not going to win you anything. That he got those MVPs were a surprise to me. Decent, but his college coach had told him Nash was the worst defender he had ever seen.)

Chris Bosh (He's not bad, but man, he is not an elite player.)

:roll: