BREAKING: Cavaliers offer Andrew Bynum 2 years, $24+ million contract

[bagelred]

The Cleveland Cavaliers are pushing for free-agent center Andrew Bynum to accept a two-year, $24 million-plus, incentive-based contract offer, league sources told Yahoo! Sports on Monday night.

The Cavaliers met with Bynum in Cleveland on Monday, but could fast lose patience with waiting on the two-time NBA champion center to make a decision on accepting the offer, which includes a team option in the second year of the deal, sources said.

Cleveland wants a team option on a second contract year to protect it against losing Bynum to 2014 free agency should his damaged knees heal enough to allow him to make a resurgence this season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--cavs-make-andrew-bynum--24-million-offer-015715453.html

Take da money and run Andrew By Man.

If he doesn't take it, they're going after Kirilenko or Brand.

I said exactly what Cavs are saying. One year doesn't make sense. Cavs need to have at least 2 years locked up for him, or its not worth it.

[Inferno]

:facepalm

[SpecialQue]

See Cavs fans? This is how you make a big move.

[DuMa]

hope theres a clause where it says he cant go bowling

[BallsOut]

Cavs going after Lakers sloppy seconds once again.

Luke Walton
Earl Clark
Brian Shaw
Mike Brown
Andrew Bynum

:oldlol:

[IGOTGAME]

I would like to see him in Cleveland but I don't think it is in his best interest to go there.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Ok, now there's no excuse for Cleveland not to make the playoffs. Unless...
http://www.thesportswonk.com/m/photos/get_image/file/9adf5b6d66b2cd3af1adfdfd3dab95f8.jpg

[305Baller]

Bynum, just sign it.

[TylerOO]

So what's their lineup looking like if Bynum signs. Looking to be pretty decent if Bynum stays healthy.

[KG215]

Cavs going after Lakers sloppy seconds once again.

Luke Walton
Earl Clark
Brian Shaw
Mike Brown
Andrew Bynum

:oldlol:
:oldlol:

At Earl Clark. He'd start and be getting 30+ minutes a game next year if he stayed with theLakers. The Cavs, even without Bynum, will win more games than the Lakers next year.

[It's A VC3!!!]

If that fool can stay healthy and average what he did two years ago then the Cavs will be battling the Knicks for the 5th seed. A young, super talented duo of Kyrie and Andrew are enough for the 7th seed in the East. The extra players such as Dion, Anderson and Anthony could propel them to the 5th seed.

[bagelred]

If that fool can stay healthy and average what he did two years ago then the Cavs will be battling the Knicks for the 5th seed. A young, super talented duo of Kyrie and Andrew are enough for the 7th seed in the East. The extra players such as Dion, Anderson and Anthony could propel them to the 5th seed.

If the Cavs get good, this could push the Nets right out of a playoff spot.

[BallsOut]

:oldlol:

At Earl Clark. He'd start and be getting 30+ minutes a game next year if he stayed with theLakers. The Cavs, even without Bynum, will win more games than the Lakers next year.

I love Earl and was sad the Lakers couldn't keep him, but at least my team doesn't still have Kendrick Perkins as starting C

:oldlol:

[DStebb716]

Cavs going after Lakers sloppy seconds once again.

Luke Walton
Earl Clark
Brian Shaw
Mike Brown
Andrew Bynum

:oldlol:

Brian Shaw is in Denver...

[305Baller]

:oldlol:

At Earl Clark. He'd start and be getting 30+ minutes a game next year if he stayed with theLakers. The Cavs, even without Bynum, will win more games than the Lakers next year.

Actually Mike Brown returning to CLE is like getting back together with a GF and the Lakers were the rebound that were used by Brown to try to get over Cleveland.

Lakers did enjoy the sloppy seconds, though.

[tgan3]

So what's their lineup looking like if Bynum signs. Looking to be pretty decent if Bynum stays healthy.

Pretty sick

C Andrew Bynum
PF Tristan Thompson
SF Anthony Bennett
SG Dion Waiters
PG Kyrie Irving

[Peteballa]

See Cavs fans? This is how you make a big move.

LOL. I doubt many people will, but I got it. :roll:

[no pun intended]

Irving/Jack
Waiters/Jack
Bennett/Gee/Walton
Bennett/Thompson
Bynum/Varejao

Pretty solid, if healthy obviously.

[CavaliersFTW]

So what's their lineup looking like if Bynum signs. Looking to be pretty decent if Bynum stays healthy.
If he signs we will be good on paper... but cancer in the lockerroom.. the guy does not even enjoy basketball - let alone care about winning. He is indifferent to the sport. His HS coach had to beg him to even play at that level. He just kinda has gone through the motions his entire career. So even if he's healthy, I have my concerns about him. But a healthy indifferent Bynum is still better than Zeller I guess so w/e - If he signs I just hope at the very least he stays healthy. Nothing can be done about his motivation especially with Brown running the show.

[TylerOO]

Pretty sick

C Andrew Bynum
PF Tristan Thompson
SF Anthony Bennett
SG Dion Waiters
PG Kyrie Irving

Very solid team.

[BallsOut]

Irving/Jack
Waiters/Jack
Bennett/Gee/Walton
Bennett/Thompson
Bynum/Varejao

Pretty solid, if healthy obviously.

You forgot Earl Clark, how could you forget Eazy Earl? :biggums:

[Funnyfuka]

i thoughts lakers were desperate to pay for kaman... but looks like CLE is even more desperate. OH well. Lucky asshole is going to take these 24 millions without a doubt.

[Beatlezz]

See Cavs fans? This is how you make a big move.

:roll: :roll:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273972

[IGOTGAME]

:oldlol:

At Earl Clark. He'd start and be getting 30+ minutes a game next year if he stayed with theLakers. The Cavs, even without Bynum, will win more games than the Lakers next year.
Will bump when lakers draft Andrew Wiggins next year.

[NASH = BEST]

:applause:

Cavs making some solid moves, I actually like this deal for them and Bynum.

Cavs def making the playoffs (if they get Bynum), I think they get home field in the first round also.

BIG UPS to the Cavs!!

[jimmy77x]

If that fool can stay healthy and average what he did two years ago then the Cavs will be battling the Knicks for the 5th seed. A young, super talented duo of Kyrie and Andrew are enough for the 7th seed in the East. The extra players such as Dion, Anderson and Anthony could propel them to the 5th seed.

Let me guess the nets are auto top 4 right? :lol i didnt know playoff seeding started in july but ok:lol

[QuebecBaller]

Irving/Jack
Waiters/Jack
Bennett/Gee/Walton
Bennett/Thompson
Bynum/Varejao

Pretty solid, if healthy obviously.

:biggums:

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

:biggums:
that's how good Bennett is, man.

[Le Shaqtus]

hope theres a clause where it says he cant go bowling

:roll:

[coin24]

See Cavs fans? This is how you make a big move.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[It's A VC3!!!]

Let me guess the nets are auto top 4 right? :lol i didnt know playoff seeding started in july but ok:lol
They were 4th last year and got much better. They will be either the second seed or the third seed next season. So top three guaranteed. While the Nets, Bulls and Pacers all improved heading into next season, the Knicks decided to pay a combined $30 million for both of their forwards, Amare and Bargnani.:facepalm Not to mention that Tyson showed signs of HUGE regression towards the end of last season as did JR Smith. If the Knicks get the 5th seed, kudos. They will likely get the 6th or 7th seed though.
Gooooo Nets!:rockon:

[went_worth]

Cuban on a suicide watch.

Tried to get Deron, failed! Tried to get Dwight, failed! Now Bynum will most likely sign with the Cavs. :lol

[bagelred]

They were 4th last year and got much better. They will be either the second seed or the third seed next season. So top three guaranteed. While the Nets, Bulls and Pacers all improved heading into next season, the Knicks decided to pay a combined $30 million for both of their forwards, Amare and Bargnani.:facepalm Not to mention that Tyson showed signs of HUGE regression towards the end of last season as did JR Smith. If the Knicks get the 5th seed, kudos. They will likely get the 6th or 7th seed though.
Gooooo Nets!:rockon:

:oldlol:

[poido123]

I'm hoping Bynum doesnt take this and Cavs dodge a bullet. He is too much of a distraction and I doubt he can stay on the court long enough to build chemistry with the other players.

IMO Bynum's knees are done.

[SilkkTheShocker]

They were 4th last year and got much better. They will be either the second seed or the third seed next season. So top three guaranteed. While the Nets, Bulls and Pacers all improved heading into next season, the Knicks decided to pay a combined $30 million for both of their forwards, Amare and Bargnani.:facepalm Not to mention that Tyson showed signs of HUGE regression towards the end of last season as did JR Smith. If the Knicks get the 5th seed, kudos. They will likely get the 6th or 7th seed though.
Gooooo Nets!:rockon:

Remember when the Nets lost to the Nate Robinson led Bulls?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Cuban on a suicide watch.

Tried to get Deron, failed! Tried to get Dwight, failed! Now Bynum will most likely sign with the Cavs. :lol

At least they go this guy:

http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/oly_a_calderson1_sw_sq_300.jpg

[hawkfan]

See Cavs fans? This is how you make a big move.

Where is GOBB?

[bluechox2]

They were 4th last year and got much better. They will be either the second seed or the third seed next season. So top three guaranteed. While the Nets, Bulls and Pacers all improved heading into next season, the Knicks decided to pay a combined $30 million for both of their forwards, Amare and Bargnani.:facepalm Not to mention that Tyson showed signs of HUGE regression towards the end of last season as did JR Smith. If the Knicks get the 5th seed, kudos. They will likely get the 6th or 7th seed though.
Gooooo Nets!:rockon:
paul pierce is currently in major regression which showed last year along with kg who broke down and couldnt play enough minutes in the playoffs
you lost your best player of the playoffs in wallace and deron is comming off a series being raped by nate robinson:roll: :roll:

[D-Rose]

Hmm interesting that the article says Cavs not waiting too long on Bynum to decide...want to move on to Brand and Kirilenko on 1 year offers. He meets with Hawks tomorrow...what kind of cap space do they have left?

[SilkkTheShocker]

paul pierce is currently in major regression which showed last year along with kg who broke down and couldnt play enough minutes in the playoffs
you lost your best player of the playoffs in wallace and deron is comming off a series being raped by nate robinson:roll: :roll:

Neither of your teams are contenders. You guys at least have that in common :cheers:

[bluechox2]

Neither of your teams are contenders. You guys at least have that in common :cheers:
:coleman:

[jimmy77x]

They were 4th last year and got much better. They will be either the second seed or the third seed next season. So top three guaranteed. While the Nets, Bulls and Pacers all improved heading into next season, the Knicks decided to pay a combined $30 million for both of their forwards, Amare and Bargnani.:facepalm Not to mention that Tyson showed signs of HUGE regression towards the end of last season as did JR Smith. If the Knicks get the 5th seed, kudos. They will likely get the 6th or 7th seed though.
Gooooo Nets!:rockon:

Nets 5 seed first round exit confirmed :lol

[chips93]

perfect contract from the cavs pov

we dont risk wasting cap space on him next year if hes not worth it, because we can cut him if hes not worth it

but if he returns to form we have him for 2 years


LOL. I doubt many people will, but I got it. :roll:

:roll:

i only got it, once you highlighted it

:roll:

[It's A VC3!!!]

paul pierce is currently in major regression which showed last year along with kg who broke down and couldnt play enough minutes in the playoffs
you lost your best player of the playoffs in wallace and deron is comming off a series being raped by nate robinson:roll: :roll:
it's fine. our two new additions will be asked to be role players. tyson and jr will be two of your top 3 players. our top 3 players are deron, brook and joe.
more importantly, paul and kg will not play any more than 30 minutes a game.

[chips93]

Irving/Jack
Waiters/Jack
Bennett/Gee/Walton
Bennett/Thompson
Bynum/Varejao

Pretty solid, if healthy obviously.

thompson will def start over bennett

[bluechox2]

dan gilbert needs to go around Cleavland and shut down that one bowling alley just for safe measures

[SilkkTheShocker]

Would Cleveland still have capspace in 2014 if they ended up picking up Bynums' option?

[RedBlackAttack]

Move makes all the sense in the world for the Cavs. Basically nothing to lose. They're playing with house money for a year and, if he pans out, they have the best center in the Eastern Conference. If not, cut bait after one year.

Btw, some funny lineups being posted. I think I just saw one with Bennett starting at both SF and PF. :oldlol:

He's a PF for now... A backup PF. Here are the Cavs' real options for starting lineups if this deal goes through...

Standard:
PG - Kyrie Irving / Jarrett Jack
SG - Dion Waiters / CJ Miles
SF - Alonzo Gee / Earl Clark / Sergie Karasev
PF - Tristan Thompson / Anthony Bennett
C - Andrew Bynum / Anderson Varejao / Tyler Zeller

Go Big:
PG - Kyrie Irving / Jarrett Jack
SG - Dion Waiters / CJ Miles
SF - Anthony Bennett / Earl Clark / Alonzo Gee
PF - Anderson Varejao / Tristan Thompson
C - Andrew Bynum / Tyler Zeller

Go Small:
PG - Kyrie Irving
SG - Jarrett Jack / CJ Miles
SF - Dion Waiters / Alonzo Gee / Sergie Karasev
PF - Anthony Bennett / Earl Clark
C - Tristan Thompson / Andrew Bynum / Anderson Varejao
(I do think this package will be used to go up tempo)

Either way, if this moves comes off, the Cavs' bench is going to be pretty nasty.

[RedBlackAttack]

Would Cleveland still have capspace in 2014 if they ended up picking up Bynums' option?
Not unless another couple moves were made like trading Varejao and Alonzo Gee.

[Mgamer20o0]

is that 2 years 24 million and if he hits the goals it can be more? take it and run thats crazy. i wouldnt risk anymore then 5mil and thats pushing it.


ndrew Bynum to accept a two-year, $24 million-plus, incentive-based contract offer

[RedBlackAttack]

is that 2 years 24 million and if he hits the goals it can be more? take it and run thats crazy. i wouldnt risk anymore then 5mil and thats pushing it.
Why? The Cavs have nothing to lose by making this deal. They've reinforced the other positions which were lacking and still have around $15 million in cap space. They were going to have to make moves just to meet the salary floor.

Why not take that $15 million and gamble it on a high upside player like Bynum? Makes all the sense in the world. If he doesn't pan out, it just means Dan Gilbert is a few million less rich (he doesn't care).

[chips93]

bynum bumped into a cavs fan at the airport, and apparently told him that he would play for the cavs next year

http://theinscribermag.com/nba-rumors-andrew-bynum-says-hell-play-for-the-cleveland-cavaliers-next-season/

[All Net]

Love what Cavs are done by this summer.

[Trollsmasher]

So, when did Cavs FO become competent? Those are some great moves they are pulling:applause:

[BallsOut]

bynum bumped into a cavs fan at the airport, and apparently told him that he would play for the cavs next year

http://theinscribermag.com/nba-rumors-andrew-bynum-says-hell-play-for-the-cleveland-cavaliers-next-season/

Did he give him a head nod too? :lol

[bluechox2]

Did he give him a head nod too? :lol
he actually got injured

[Carbine]

Great, great signing.

Building something special here if Bynum works out.

[LBJMVP]

LOL. I doubt many people will, but I got it. :roll:
Gobb is a *** haha. Good move for cleveland. May seem like alto but we have to overpay. Was hoping for a 2 year with team option. With that lineup we could pull upsets in the playoffs. If Bynum plays.

[Dizzle-2k7]

They're playing with house money for a year and, if he pans out, they have the best center in the Eastern Conference.es through...

.

Roy Hibbert >>>>>> Bynum

Hibbert plays with passion, fire, intensity, CAJONES, NUTS, BALLS.. he lets his dikk hang LOW..

bynum is an unmotivated, indifferent, apathetic, lazyass, over-emotional wanna-be-a-star-but-dont-wanna-work-for-it

[RedBlackAttack]

So, when did Cavs FO become competent? Those are some great moves they are pulling:applause:
Since Grant was hired three years ago. His first big move was trading Mo Williams and Jamario Moon to the Clippers for the pick that turned out to be Kyrie.

It's been gravy since that move.

[RedBlackAttack]

Roy Hibbert >>>>>> Bynum

Hibbert plays with passion, fire, intensity, CAJONES, NUTS, BALLS.. he lets his dikk hang LOW..

bynum is an unmotivated, indifferent, apathetic, lazyass, over-emotional wanna-be-a-star-but-dont-wanna-work-for-it
Must have missed the part where I said "if he pans out."

If he plays like he did two years ago, he's the best center in the East.

[Dizzle-2k7]

Must have missed the part where I said "if he pans out."

If he plays like he did two years ago, he's the best center in the East.

bynum has never been better than hibbert was this past season.

[Zedja]

bynum has never been better than hibbert was this past season.
Bullshit.

[jimmy77x]

bynum has never been better than hibbert was this past season.

Someone needs to research both Hibberts and Bynums career stats and you will see how ridiculous that statement was.

[RedBlackAttack]

bynum has never been better than hibbert was this past season.
K.

[Dizzle-2k7]

Bullshit.


Hibbert dominated games on both sides of the floor. Bynum has never had the physical or emotional impact that Hibbert brought this year.

[hawkfan]

Come to Atlanta Bynum.
The Hawks can sign Monta Ellis to run the point, with Jeff Teague, DeShawn Stevenson and John Jenkins going to Philly for Bynum and Turner.

Bynum gets Horford and Millsap around him at the bigs.

Of course, it would have been better if we had signed Bynum and kept Smith.

Bynum, Smith, Horford.

Of course, the Hawks should have drafted Bynum instead of Marvin Williams.

[D-Rose]

bynum has never been better than hibbert was this past season.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=bynuman01&p2=hibbero01

[Dizzle-2k7]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=bynuman01&p2=hibbero01

LOL i said this past season and you bring up hibberts stats from 08-11

[coin24]

bynum has never been better than hibbert was this past season.

:roll: :roll:

Bynum was a monster when motivated on the lakers. Problem is he's an immature head case.. Even still, Bynum >>>> hibbert.

Bynums post moves, rebounding, shot blocking etc,, he's a beast when healthy and motivated...:rockon:

[D-Rose]

LOL i said this past season and you bring up hibberts stats from 08-11
Meh. Give me 11-12 Bynum over Hibbert any year so far.

[Dizzle-2k7]

Bynums post moves, rebounding, shot blocking etc,, he's a beast when healthy and motivated...:rockon:


so now bynum is a better defender than hibbert? :roll: :roll:

also "when motivated" ... i think you mean "when kobe is lighting a fire under his ass"

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Not unless another couple moves were made like trading Varejao and Alonzo Gee.
Enough to afford anlther max deal?

[DKLaker]

Cavs going after Lakers sloppy seconds once again.

Luke Walton
Earl Clark
Brian Shaw
Mike Brown
Andrew Bynum

:oldlol:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[RedBlackAttack]

Enough to afford anlther max deal?
That's what I was assuming he was asking about. Yeah, like I said, they'd have to shuffle some things around. They do have a lot of good contracts if they wanted to do so.

[Twiens]

Ok, now there's no excuse for Cleveland not to make the playoffs. Unless...
http://www.thesportswonk.com/m/photos/get_image/file/9adf5b6d66b2cd3af1adfdfd3dab95f8.jpg

Oh **** I forgot they got Mike Brown :roll:

[Twiens]

BTW that is one DEEP team

[flipogb]

let Bynum post up and go to work, he is motivated by points. let him get points and he will do great

[coin24]

so now bynum is a better defender than hibbert? :roll: :roll:

also "when motivated" ... i think you mean "when kobe is lighting a fire under his ass"

I said rebounding and shot blocking. Did I say Bynum was the better defender?

Overall Bynum >>>>>> hibbert..

[longtime lurker]

Nice. Bynum is getting paid 12 million model his new suit collection

[TheGreatDeraj]

bynum has never been better than hibbert was this past season.

Nothing against Hibbert because he is a great player, but before Bynum's injury in 2008 he was on a whole different level. He was on the fast track to being the best center in the league.

Lakers were looking like contenders and that was before Gasol...

He had incredible length, amazing footwork and a great touch around the basket. He could block shots and rebound with his great length and timing. Kareem taught him so much. Kareem had him doing hooks, drop steps, spins, up and unders, step throughs and I even remember a wilt like finger roll.

Bynum was the best move Jim Buss has ever made until he got injured. He was suppose to be our franchise player to take over after Kobe, but that knee injury :cry:

Lakers did get Gasol who helped them to three finals and two rings, so I'm not complaining, but I really wish Bynum(and Oden too) could have stayed healthy. They would be the two best centers in the NBA.

He took it to shaq his rookie year (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eri9mW56R6k)

Him beasting the clippers in 2007
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_gH72uDLkg)

Those were as a 18/19 year old kid

Highlight mix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9efsJwJxYEk)

Post move highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPhM1Y8EUdw)

I had no doubt Bynum would have had a statue outside staples if not for that injury.

[GOBB]

bynum bumped into a cavs fan at the airport, and apparently told him that he would play for the cavs next year. Bynum was last seen clutching his knee outside the airport.

Fixed for accuracy

[LBJMVP]

Fixed for accuracy


whatever, we have the best clinic in the country. if we offered him a contract they obviously cleared him 100%

we aren't portland over here. clearing players who should never be healed. we saved ilgaulskas career.

[R.I.P.]

Why do people act like this is a done deal. You know how ****ing deperate Cuban is? He

[GOBB]

whatever, we have the best clinic in the country. if we offered him a contract they obviously cleared him 100%

we aren't portland over here. clearing players who should never be healed. we saved ilgaulskas career.

He was obviously cleared to play in Philly as well. Yet never stepped foot on the court. Cavs were also going after Bynum last season until the price was too rich for their liking. Which means he would have been "cleared" to play. But hey best clinic in the country, whatever that means. :confusedshrug:

Phx Suns has the best medical staff.

But hey Bynum is healthy and healed according to you based on him being linked to the Cavs right? Why hasnt he worked out for one team. Dont bother answering.

[CavaliersFTW]

He was obviously cleared to play in Philly as well. Yet never stepped foot on the court. Cavs were also going after Bynum last season until the price was too rich for their liking. Which means he would have been "cleared" to play. But hey best clinic in the country, whatever that means. :confusedshrug:

Phx Suns has the best medical staff.

But hey Bynum is healthy and healed according to you based on him being linked to the Cavs right? Why hasnt he worked out for one team. Dont bother answering.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: omg man u are FUMING :mad: settle down champ! :lol :oldlol: :roll:

[GOBB]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: omg man u are FUMING :mad: settle down champ! :lol :oldlol: :roll:

FUMING over what idiot? You kids need to think before replying to me.

[LBJMVP]

He was obviously cleared to play in Philly as well. Yet never stepped foot on the court. Cavs were also going after Bynum last season until the price was too rich for their liking. Which means he would have been "cleared" to play. But hey best clinic in the country, whatever that means. :confusedshrug:

Phx Suns has the best medical staff.

But hey Bynum is healthy and healed according to you based on him being linked to the Cavs right? Why hasnt he worked out for one team. Dont bother answering.

why trade our players for him when we can possibly get him from your team one year later via free agency? :lol

[LBJMVP]

He was obviously cleared to play in Philly as well. Yet never stepped foot on the court. Cavs were also going after Bynum last season until the price was too rich for their liking. Which means he would have been "cleared" to play. But hey best clinic in the country, whatever that means. :confusedshrug:

Phx Suns has the best medical staff.

But hey Bynum is healthy and healed according to you based on him being linked to the Cavs right? Why hasnt he worked out for one team. Dont bother answering.

why dont high draft picks sometimes not work out for teams?

[GOBB]

why trade our players for him when we can possibly get him from your team one year later via free agency? :lol

Why act like he has a clean bill of healthy given history/facts? :lol


why dont high draft picks sometimes not work out for teams?

Are you stupid? You answer that then I'll post YOUR words and laugh at the contradiction...


whatever, we have the best clinic in the country. if we offered him a contract they obviously cleared him 100%

we aren't portland over here. clearing players who should never be healed. we saved ilgaulskas career.

:roll:


Go ahead moron, your turn

[poido123]

He was obviously cleared to play in Philly as well. Yet never stepped foot on the court. Cavs were also going after Bynum last season until the price was too rich for their liking. Which means he would have been "cleared" to play. But hey best clinic in the country, whatever that means. :confusedshrug:

Phx Suns has the best medical staff.

But hey Bynum is healthy and healed according to you based on him being linked to the Cavs right? Why hasnt he worked out for one team. Dont bother answering.


Here's the guy who claims that Cavs never do anything to make themselves great and renegs on a legit bet with full intention of paying out but never did to a guy on ISH :oldlol:

Man, you must be a serious dipshit in real life. No joke.

[ispin69]

Bynum and Mike Brown reunited at least. Seriously, I knew some retarded team was going to offer 10-12m for this guy and believe me he won't play much as injury prone as he is, he's going to collect those checks though. He won't work out for teams and he's been recovering for over a year. He has no plans to play.

Mavs should not bother with chasing Bynum.

[DMAVS41]

I'd love this for just about any other team. It scares me for the Cavs...not this year, but going forward if he's really good and they pick up the option.

The risk is not in the next 2 years. The risk is that when this Cavs team is ready to contend...Bynum is on the shelf with an injury or causing locker room problems and acting like the child he has shown to be.

I guess they could always trade an asset like that, but that would mean potentially missing out on some key acquisitions next summer and beyond.

I could probably be talked into this, but I just love what the Cavs have done and think playing all those young guys as much as possible this year is what is best for them in the long run.

[CavaliersFTW]

FUMING over what idiot? You kids need to think before replying to me.
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[NattyPButter]

Starting line up

Kyrie
Waiters
Clark or Gee
AV
Bynum

TT isn't starting if Bynum is on the floor...no way in hell. Kyrie and Waiters would have no choice but to shoot jumpers if those two were on together so you have to start AV or AB.

[Johnny Jones]

***** ***** bitch ***** *****. ***** fried chicken ***** watermelon *****. Bitch *****, *****, white women, titties ass.

[LBJMVP]

Why act like he has a clean bill of healthy given history/facts? :lol



Are you stupid? You answer that then I'll post YOUR words and laugh at the contradiction...



:roll:


Go ahead moron, your turn
Not understanding what saying. Your quoting me and not really posting anything that makes sense. Cleveland clinic is one of if not the best clinic in the country. He isn't gonna gain anything from working out with a team because he didn't even play last year. His agent probly made the decision for him for financial reasons.

[RedBlackAttack]

Starting line up

Kyrie
Waiters
Clark or Gee
AV
Bynum

TT isn't starting if Bynum is on the floor...no way in hell. Kyrie and Waiters would have no choice but to shoot jumpers if those two were on together so you have to start AV or AB.
I think Varejao could very well be moved to PF if Bynum is brought in, but going by your rationale, Bennett would be the most logical starting option of the three possibilities. Varejao added a bit of a midrange game last season, but it's certainly nothing to write home about and he's still a guy who makes most of his plays -- be it scoring or rebounding or setting up others -- around the rim, not on the perimeter. If spacing is your issue, Bennett would be the clear best choice, as he is already far superior to Tristan or AV outside of the paint.

On the other hand, a healthy Bynum along with Varejao could be a lethal defensive and rebounding tandem... And, with Thompson off the bench, who has already become a good defender in his own right, that is a lot of big, good defenders to throw at teams.

If they do add Bynum, there is so much depth in that frontcourt I'm honestly not sure how they get everyone the minutes which they should be playing.

You could do some pretty interesting things with Bynum, Varejao, Thompson, Bennett, Clark and Zeller. Six very different players with very different skillsets. That would have to be the deepest frontcourt in the NBA.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'd love this for just about any other team. It scares me for the Cavs...not this year, but going forward if he's really good and they pick up the option.

The risk is not in the next 2 years. The risk is that when this Cavs team is ready to contend...Bynum is on the shelf with an injury or causing locker room problems and acting like the child he has shown to be.

I guess they could always trade an asset like that, but that would mean potentially missing out on some key acquisitions next summer and beyond.

I could probably be talked into this, but I just love what the Cavs have done and think playing all those young guys as much as possible this year is what is best for them in the long run.
I'm looking really hard... Trust me. But, I'm having a hard time finding the downside to this deal for the Cavs. People are bringing up Mike Brown as a potential target of Bynum's childishness and I did consider that. Then, I realized that Bynum's most productive season in the NBA by a mile was under Mike Brown as head coach. Maybe he realizes this now? Maybe the stories of these guys clashing were overblown because a couple of incidents took place in public for everyone to see?

I don't think there's anyway that Grant would even be taking part in these talks if Brown had a real problem with Bynum or if their relationship was badly impaired in LA. This one doesn't worry me at all.

The whole thing about him maybe blowing up for a year or two and then imploding, that could happen with any player. It's always a risk. Sure, there is a history with Bynum, but the great thing about him coming to this particular Cleveland team is that it feels like a cherry on a very young sunday.

No one was expecting him to play in Cleveland a week ago and we were all still very excited about the team. If he starts acting a fool or gets hurt or whatever.... Even if it's after the team option was implemented or maybe an extension given... He's not the man, here.

The future looks bright with or without him. If he proves to be 2011-12 Bynum next season, apply the team option. If he does well two seasons in a row, he deserves to be paid. I feel like, after two seasons, the organization should have a good feel for what Bynum's future holds and that is the time they can figure out if he's a longterm answer or not.

Either way, signing him is not going to make or break this team.

[poido123]

I think Varejao could very well be moved to PF if Bynum is brought in, but going by your rationale, Bennett would be the most logical starting option of the three possibilities. Varejao added a bit of a midrange game last season, but it's certainly nothing to write home about and he's still a guy who makes most of his plays -- be it scoring or rebounding or setting up others -- around the rim, not on the perimeter. If spacing is your issue, Bennett would be the clear best choice, as he is already far superior to Tristan or AV outside of the paint.

On the other hand, a healthy Bynum along with Varejao could be a lethal defensive and rebounding tandem... And, with Thompson off the bench, who has already become a good defender in his own right, that is a lot of big, good defenders to throw at teams.

If they do add Bynum, there is so much depth in that frontcourt I'm honestly not sure how they get everyone the minutes which they should be playing.

You could do some pretty interesting things with Bynum, Varejao, Thompson, Bennett, Clark and Zeller. Six very different players with very different skillsets. That would have to be the deepest frontcourt in the NBA.


Deepest frontcourt no question.

Two top draft picks, one top centre(when healthy) and another very good one, no doubt about it.

Varejao won't be hanging around though, he will be used as trade bait I'm sure. You need minutes to develop TT and Bennett, while guys like Clark and Zeller can fill in serviceable minutes off the bench.

Cleveland suddenly has alot of talent and assets to be competitive for many years to come, barring any stupid trading or injuries.

I'd be trading Verejao for a good SF or good SG backup. Everywhere else they are pretty deep.

[RedBlackAttack]

Deepest frontcourt no question.

Two top draft picks, one top centre(when healthy) and another very good one, no doubt about it.

Varejao won't be hanging around though, he will be used as trade bait I'm sure. You need minutes to develop TT and Bennett, while guys like Clark and Zeller can fill in serviceable minutes off the bench.

Cleveland suddenly has alot of talent and assets to be competitive for many years to come, barring any stupid trading or injuries.

I'd be trading Verejao for a good SF or good SG backup. Everywhere else they are pretty deep.
I'm not sure how quickly they would deal Varejao with Bynum such a huge question mark, if this deal did get done. I agree that, eventually, he will be dealt because there is just too many guys and too few minutes to go around.

But, I don't think it will be a rash decision. The soonest I could see it happening is the trade deadline. If Bynum comes back and tears it up for the first half of the season, maybe they make a move with Varejao, but even that seems like a stretch given Bynum's injury history.

Not to mention, I think they'd play really well together especially defensively. Bynum is very good around the rim at altering shots. Varejao is a different kind of defensively sound big man... One of the best in the league at showing and getting back on the pick and roll and very versatile. He does all the little things... Draws charges, tips rebounds to teammates, alters shots with his length.

It would have to be the right kind of deal for them to move him. The only place where he wasn't really great defensively is one-on-one around the basket, because he's smallish for a center and he can be bullied a bit against the few good offensive centers in today's league. If you could get Bynum to match up with those bigger guys and leave Varejao to roam, that could be a nasty duo.

[poido123]

I'm not sure how quickly they would deal Varejao with Bynum such a huge question mark, if this deal did get done. I agree that, eventually, he will be dealt because there is just too many guys and too few minutes to go around.

But, I don't think it will be a rash decision. The soonest I could see it happening is the trade deadline. If Bynum comes back and tears it up for the first half of the season, maybe they make a move with Varejao, but even that seems like a stretch given Bynum's injury history.

Not to mention, I think they'd play really well together especially defensively. Bynum is very good around the rim at altering shots. Varejao is a different kind of defensively sound big man... One of the best in the league at showing and getting back on the pick and roll and very versatile. He does all the little things... Draws charges, tips rebounds to teammates, alters shots with his length.

It would have to be the right kind of deal for them to move him. The only place where he wasn't really great defensively is one-on-one around the basket, because he's smallish for a center and he can be bullied a bit against the few good offensive centers in today's league. If you could get Bynum to match up with those bigger guys and leave Varejao to roam, that could be a nasty duo.


Yes, I agree that Varejeo could certainly work well with Bynum. However, the point I was trying to make was more to do with the development of the two top draft picks. If Bynum does in fact stay fit, then you have a timeshare situation at both the PF and C position, which is something you don't ideally want when players do get fustrated if they believe they deserve more minutes than they are getting. Plus you have Zeller and Clark to fit in somewhere in that rotation.

Maybe they will just run with it for 2 years? See how Bynum pans out, then look to trade him next season as a valuable expirer if he plays well.

[talkingconch]

See Cavs fans? This is how you make a big move.
Aware. but gobbs a good guy

[RedBlackAttack]

Yes, I agree that Varejeo could certainly work well with Bynum. However, the point I was trying to make was more to do with the development of the two top draft picks. If Bynum does in fact stay fit, then you have a timeshare situation at both the PF and C position, which is something you don't ideally want when players do get fustrated if they believe they deserve more minutes than they are getting. Plus you have Zeller and Clark to fit in somewhere in that rotation.

Maybe they will just run with it for 2 years? See how Bynum pans out, then look to trade him next season as a valuable expirer if he plays well.
I'd guess that's sort of how they're looking at it. They're playing with house money at this point, because they've addressed their two biggest roster weaknesses in adding a legitimate third guard and a guy who can play either forward position.

Now, they're about $15 million under the cap and Bynum is sitting there. I think they feel like it's worth a gamble, even if the future is a little cloudy with all these big guys.

[PickernRoller]

Gamble....million dollar gamble. You gotta take some once in a while. Some riskier than others.

[EllEffEll]

Considering his injury history, Bynum would be crazy to turn down a million a month for 24 months. Take the money Andrew, this ain't gonna last much longer.

[Blue&Orange]

See Cavs fans? This is how you make a big move.
:roll:

cold-hearted

[R.I.P.]

Considering his injury history, Bynum would be crazy to turn down a million a month for 24 months. Take the money Andrew, this ain't gonna last much longer.

Second year is a team option. There are also other clauses. The fully guaranteed offer will come from Desperate Dallas.

[GOBB]

Not understanding what saying. Your quoting me and not really posting anything that makes sense. Cleveland clinic is one of if not the best clinic in the country. He isn't gonna gain anything from working out with a team because he didn't even play last year. His agent probly made the decision for him for financial reasons.

He refuses to work out for teams for fear of teams questioning how healthy he really is. Why work out and have teams question you thus hurting your chances to maximize the most money you can get with an offer.

You acknowledge this yet claim "Cleveland wouldn't offer him this deal if it wasn't obvious he was cleared health wise". Based on what? He didn't work out for Cavs. They are gambling that he is healthy which is why they turned this deal into a 2yr with a team option in year 2.

What doesn't make sense is ur initial reply acting as if Bynum has a clean bill of health. You don't know. Cleveland and their super awesome clinic doesn't know. This is why Bynum REFUSED to work out for any team. He wants you to blindly give him $$$$$ and gamble it pays off.

So Cavs clinic being super duper awesome is irrelevant. But hey obviously Cavs know he has a clean bill of health or they never would have offered this deal right? RIGHT?!!?! Yeah you make a lot of sense :rolleyes:

[spiegel]

12 million a year?. interesting.

[DukeDelonte13]

if ATL offers him one year at 12 he'll take that for sure.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Wheres GOBB's thread from last year telling Cleveland fans how to make a "real move" :oldlol:

[1~Gibson~1]

if ATL offers him one year at 12 he'll take that for sure.why Atlanta for one when he can cme to Cleveland for two.

Not to mention the cavs would be in the playoff hunt.

[Reverend Hoops]

:roll: why Atlanta for one when he can cme to Cleveland for two.

Not to mention the cavs would be in the playoff hunt.

One year deal allows him to get a better deal next year.

[LBJMVP]

He refuses to work out for teams for fear of teams questioning how healthy he really is. Why work out and have teams question you thus hurting your chances to maximize the most money you can get with an offer.

You acknowledge this yet claim "Cleveland wouldn't offer him this deal if it wasn't obvious he was cleared health wise". Based on what? He didn't work out for Cavs. They are gambling that he is healthy which is why they turned this deal into a 2yr with a team option in year 2.

What doesn't make sense is ur initial reply acting as if Bynum has a clean bill of health. You don't know. Cleveland and their super awesome clinic doesn't know. This is why Bynum REFUSED to work out for any team. He wants you to blindly give him $$$$$ and gamble it pays off.

So Cavs clinic being super duper awesome is irrelevant. But hey obviously Cavs know he has a clean bill of health or they never would have offered this deal right? RIGHT?!!?! Yeah you make a lot of sense :rolleyes:
Why does he have to work out to be medically cleared? Just go to the clinic and have him checked out. Some times you need to think a little more before you post.

[GOBB]

Why does he have to work out to be medically cleared? Just go to the clinic and have him checked out. Some times you need to think a little more before you post.

What activities has he been medically cleared on? You dont know but assume Cleveland does by given him the deal. Sixers said he was medically cleared and we didnt see him at all. He isnt working out because he knows there are activities he would fail, struggle to perform and doesnt want to jeopardize his pursuit of a nice 1yr deal to audition during the season for a fat contract. Sometimes you need to smarten up before you post.


whatever, we have the best clinic in the country. if we offered him a contract they obviously cleared him 100%

we aren't portland over here. clearing players who should never be healed. we saved ilgaulskas career.

Bynum is obviously 100% tho. :roll:

[1~Gibson~1]

The Cavs are gonna cause hell next year if we get Bynum! :rockon:


Kyrie Irving / Jarrett Jack / Chris Quinn*
Dion Waiters / Sergie Karasev / Carrick Felix*
Alonzo Gee / Early Clark / CJ Miles
Anderson Varejao / Anthony Bennett / Kevin Jones*
Andrew Bynum / Tristan Thompson / Tyler Zeller

[Droid101]

The GOBB meltdown continues. Who knew it would last this long?

Hilarious.

[PleezeBelieve]

We are almost there, Cavs fans.

Chris Grant is the best!

[1~Gibson~1]

We are almost there, Cavs fans.

Chris Grant is the best!:coleman: I thought you quit?

[DukeDelonte13]

What activities has he been medically cleared on? You dont know but assume Cleveland does by given him the deal. Sixers said he was medically cleared and we didnt see him at all. He isnt working out because he knows there are activities he would fail, struggle to perform and doesnt want to jeopardize his pursuit of a nice 1yr deal to audition during the season for a fat contract. Sometimes you need to smarten up before you post.



Bynum is obviously 100% tho. :roll:



Bynum's agent did allow for the Cavaliers medical staff to examine the knees for what its worth. His knees are f*cked. Nobody is denying that. The question really becomes how much does he have left in the tank. (which is pretty sad for a 25 year old) Cavs are giving up nothing more that Gilbert's money to see whats up if this craziness comes to fruition.

The contract they are offering is highly incentive based too... He gets more money if he completes training camp, plays in x amount of games, etc.


Like i said though, if either dallas or atl offers him a comparable 1 year he will take it.

[GOBB]

Bynum's agent did allow for the Cavaliers medical staff to examine the knees for what its worth. His knees are f*cked. Nobody is denying that. The question really becomes how much does he have left in the tank. (which is pretty sad for a 25 year old) Cavs are giving up nothing more that Gilbert's money to see whats up if this craziness comes to fruition.

The contract they are offering is highly incentive based too... He gets more money if he completes training camp, plays in x amount of games, etc.


Like i said though, if either dallas or atl offers him a comparable 1 year he will take it.

Yeah I have no problem with the contract offer. Its a smart one by the Cavs. And I agree he'll take the 1yr deal over the 2yr with team option. I just didnt get the poster acting like everything is ok with Bynum health wise when its not. Like he has no concern whatsoever.

[RedBlackAttack]

Bynum's agent did allow for the Cavaliers medical staff to examine the knees for what its worth. His knees are f*cked. Nobody is denying that. The question really becomes how much does he have left in the tank. (which is pretty sad for a 25 year old) Cavs are giving up nothing more that Gilbert's money to see whats up if this craziness comes to fruition.

The contract they are offering is highly incentive based too... He gets more money if he completes training camp, plays in x amount of games, etc.


Like i said though, if either dallas or atl offers him a comparable 1 year he will take it.
It has been reported that he was given a physical by the team doctors. It is also of note that Cleveland has one of the best medical facilities in the country with the Cleveland Clinic. I'm not sure if that would play into Bynum's decision, but it probably should. I've heard one of the reasons the Cavs are so high on Oden's list of potential suitors is because he wants to be able to utilize the clinic.

The incentive-laden contract and the second year being a team option give Bynum all the reason in the world to perform. He won't be getting money like this again if he sits out significant time. I don't think the Cavs would have offered anything if they examined his knees and found them to be "shot."

Either way, the Cavs lose nothing by offering him this contract. This is money they are otherwise going to throw at Elton Brand or some other low impact veteran. Might as well swing for the fences.


GOBB,
I don't even hate what Philadelphia did last year. They took a shot and essentially blew up what was a team toiling in mediocrity. They've made some good moves since Bynum's contract expired. I thought the Jrue Holiday for Noel and a pick was a great trade for a team that should have gone into rebuild mode, especially considering this draft is going to be so good and I'm not expecting much out of the Pelicans.

For all we know, that pick could end up being Wiggins or Randle or Parker or Gordon. I wouldn't be a bit surprised. It's not like the Bynum thing crippled them. Sure, in retrospect, maybe they get a young guy and a pick or two for Iggy, but things don't always work out that way. The Cavs lost James for a trade exception and, looking back on it, cutting bait and starting over can work out well with some patience and good management.

Sixers are not in a terrible spot right now.

[D-Rose]

Wow Stein reporting that of the $24 mill only $6 mill is guaranteed. Will get full $12 mill in year one if he meets certain benchmarks and stuff. Second year team option.

Stein adds it's his highest offer lol

[CavaliersFTW]

Wow Stein reporting that of the $24 mill only $6 mill is guaranteed. Will get full $12 mill in year one if he meets certain benchmarks and stuff. Second year team option.
I'll bet he won't be signing with us then, he knows he aint healthy or motivated enough to try and meet any benchmarks :roll:

Smart move by the Cavs F/O though so we won't get robbed like Philly :applause:

[Jameerthefear]

Bump.

[Rose]

Free SPK

[FultzNationRISE]

lol

[And1AllDay]

how tf did bran with this shittty fuggin org? :oldlol: defies all sorts of logic