Why was there no interest in Vassilis Spanoulis?

[Dr.J4ever]

From the latest media reports, it seems former Rocket V.Spanoulis has just re-signed a 3 year 6m Euro deal with his Euroleague Champion team Olympiacos. After all the unnecessary hype here on ISH generated by the beloved Euroleague, what happened with the so called NBA interest? Not
one bit of info on any NBA team showing interest came up anywhere online.

Honestly speaking though, could V.Span have at least helped a contending team by coming off the bench as the no.2 PG. If Prigioni could do it, why not V.Span who is Euroleague MVP? Those MVP's have to count for something. Don't they?

[SamuraiSWISH]

The answer is obvious. He's not that good. He couldn't cut it in the league, physically he's just not there with NBA peers. Sure he can survive as a slow as molasses guard in petty, weak, athletically inferior greek leagues. That is nothing to brag about.

He could probably ball in the NBA for a game or two if given the confidence and minutes from his coach, but he doesn't have the physical gifts to do it for 82 games + playoffs with increased scouting and defensive attention. Even though he's a Euro MVP, that doesn't say much.

Hell, look at Euroleague GOAT, Anthony Parker and what he was able to achieve in the Association. A run of the mill, average at best starting SG. In the NBA it takes elite skill, and significant physical gifts of athleticism to be a superstar.

[ballup]

Cause Euroleague > NBA. Fact.

[DStebb716]

The answer is obvious. He's not that good. He couldn't cut it in the league, physically he's just not there with NBA peers. Sure he can survive as a slow as molasses guard in petty, weak, athletically inferior greek leagues. That is nothing to brag about.

He could probably ball in the NBA for a game or two if given the confidence and minutes from his coach, but he doesn't have the physical gifts to do it for 82 games + playoffs with increased scouting and defensive attention. Even though he's a Euro MVP, that doesn't say much.

Hell, look at Euroleague GOAT, Anthony Parker and what he was able to achieve in the Association. A run of the mill, average at best starting SG. In the NBA it takes elite skill, and significant physical gifts of athleticism to be a superstar.

It's not about him being "not that good." He's just not good. Period. He's a terrible basketball player on the professional level.

[SamuraiSWISH]

It's not about him being "not that good." He's just not good. Period. He's a terrible basketball player on the professional level.
False. He's a proven player overseas. NBA ball is just on a whole other level of competition and quality. He can't cut it in THIS league. He can play well in the terrible greek leagues in comparison. Whatever, nothing special. But you can't call him a terrible ball player on the professional level in general. That isn't fair to what he's accomplished. He just can't compete in the NBA. The superior league. And it is obviously the superior basketball league.

Arguing otherwise would be pointless. Sure european born players on average (there has been very select star european players around for decades that competed at a high level in America) have improved in the past 20 - 30 years, but not significantly enough to be considered better than American ballers. We still put the beat down on them when we have vested interest and focus.

[Psycho]

False. He's a proven player overseas. NBA ball is just on a whole other level of competition and quality. He can't cut it in THIS league. He can play well in the terrible greek leagues in comparison. Whatever, nothing special. But you can't call him a terrible ball player on the professional level in general. That isn't fair to what he's accomplished. He just can't compete in the NBA. The superior league. And it is obviously the superior basketball league.

Arguing otherwise would be pointless. Sure european born players on average (there has been very select star european players around for decades that competed at a high level in America) have improved in the past 20 - 30 years, but not significantly enough to be considered better than American ballers. We still put the beat down on them when we have vested interest and focus.

Could you beat Vspan down in a game of 1 on 1?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

He's not worth as much money to an NBA team as he is to EL team. He might be decent but it's too much of a gamble to pay him the 5ish million and give him the starting job he wants.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Could you beat Vspan down in a game of 1 on 1?
I'd have more confidence playing his smelly ass than I would say ... any NBA star.

I've played plenty of greek, italian professionals in my days of playing ball. I've also had rare occurrences of playing against NBA journeymen ... and there is a visibly, palpable difference in quality playing them.

Now, if it was an ALL TIME caliber player like MJ, Bird, LeBron, Kobe, Wade, Iverson etc ... the difference would be staggering.

Vspan doesn't intimidate me in the slightest. I guarded Will Bynum, and he tore me up. Will Bynum is surely a more difficult physical cover than Vspan.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I still can't believe Euroleague actually thinks vspan is the best player in the world.

[iamgine]

V-Span once played 27 minutes in an NBA game.

He shot 1-7 with 4 TO and 6 fouls. Thank goodness he made 11 free throws.

[jzek]

cos last time he was here he averaged 5pts and 3asts :oldlol:

[HarryCallahan]

He's not worth as much money to an NBA team as he is to EL team. He might be decent but it's too much of a gamble to pay him the 5ish million and give him the starting job he wants.

Pretty much this. He makes more money in Greece than he could in the US. Some teams may be interested, he is better than Prigioni after all, but he wouldn't come over for 2mil to be a back-up.

[WayOfWade]

Because we're afraid of greatness.

[Kews1]

Because hes so shit at basketball that even Jason Collins wouldnt **** with him.

[InspiredLebowski]

ask Sarunas Jasikevicius. scoring PGs w/ below NBA average athleticism just don't work in the NBA. they lack the footspeed and handle more often to handle pressure defense more often that not. that doesn't make them bad basketball players, it just makes them good basketball players that don't fit the NBA game.

besides, why come over here in a limited role, if any role, for less money than you'd get staying where you are?

[I<3NBA]

why was there no interest?

because he has an attitude problem that sucks.

[tpols]

ask Sarunas Jasikevicius. scoring PGs w/ below NBA average athleticism just don't work in the NBA. they lack the footspeed and handle more often to handle pressure defense more often that not. that doesn't make them bad basketball players, it just makes them good basketball players that don't fit the NBA game.

besides, why come over here in a limited role, if any role, for less money than you'd get staying where you are?
Tony Parker? Hes quick but not really athletic compared to other NBA ballers.. more crafty and has better timing/skill despite not being a physical speciman at all.

[luckylucy]

I've played plenty of greek, italian professionals in my days of playing ball. I've also had rare occurrences of playing against NBA journeymen ... and there is a visibly, palpable difference in quality playing them.


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[SoCalLakersFan1]

Tony Parker? Hes quick but not really athletic compared to other NBA ballers.. more crafty and has better timing/skill despite not being a physical speciman at all.
He can't jump but he's really damn fast.

[InspiredLebowski]

Tony Parker? Hes quick but not really athletic compared to other NBA ballers.. more crafty and has better timing/skill despite not being a physical speciman at all.what about him? he's in no way comparable to either of those players. if you don't think Tony Parker's athletic you need to look up the definition of the word.

[Euroleague]

what about him? he's in no way comparable to either of those players. if you don't think Tony Parker's athletic you need to look up the definition of the word.

If you think Tony Parker is more athletic than Spanoulis, then you have an IQ below 65.

And Jasikevicius was more athletic than guys like current Andre Miller, 40 year old Kidd, 40 year old Nash, and Calderon, all of them playing major minutes in NBA at point guard position.

It is clear that you have NEVER EVER seen any of these players play EVER.

[dr.hee]

And Jasikevicius was more athletic than guys like current Andre Miller, 40 year old Kidd, 40 year old Nash, and Calderon, all of them playing major minutes in NBA at point guard position.

Didn't help him against real competition though. His best NBA season was 7.5/2/3 in 21 minutes per game shooting 40% from the field and 36% from 3.

His NBA averages are 7/1.5/3 on 41/37/92 shooting. So you really shouldn't compare this guy to Miller,Kidd,Nash,Calderon level talent. He had his chance against the best, and blew it.

[chains5000]

His first option was to continue playing for Olympiacos, he even had a huge offer from Barcelona, which he didn't even consider.
He's paid well (better than what any NBA team would give him), he's the team's star, playing in his home country, where he is loved. Why would he move?

[LJJ]

Didn't help him against real competition though. His best NBA season was 7.5/2/3 in 21 minutes per game shooting 40% from the field and 36% from 3.

His NBA averages are 7/1.5/3 on 41/37/92 shooting. So you really shouldn't compare this guy to Miller,Kidd,Nash,Calderon level talent. He had his chance against the best, and blew it.

In before 29 year old Jasikevicius just coming off a Euroleague finals MVP and Championship the previous season was past his prime.

[Euroleague]

Didn't help him against real competition though. His best NBA season was 7.5/2/3 in 21 minutes per game shooting 40% from the field and 36% from 3.

His NBA averages are 7/1.5/3 on 41/37/92 shooting. So you really shouldn't compare this guy to Miller,Kidd,Nash,Calderon level talent. He had his chance against the best, and blew it.

Sarunas Jasikevicius Career Euroleague averages

22.5 minutes per game

10.7 points per game
1.6 rebounds per game
3.4 assists per game
0.6 steals per game

45.6 FG%
39.3 3 PT FG%
92.0 FT%

Put down the meth pipe.

And Jasikevicius is a better player than Calderon even RIGHT NOW, at age 37. Anyone saying Calderon is better than Saras should be perma banned from this forum immediately.

And he did not "blow his chance against the best", as he was the absolute nightmare of Team USA 2 different times.

[Euroleague]

His first option was to continue playing for Olympiacos, he even had a huge offer from Barcelona, which he didn't even consider.
He's paid well (better than what any NBA team would give him), he's the team's star, playing in his home country, where he is loved. Why would he move?

Spanoulis turned down a $11.4 million higher offer from CSKA. I think he made a big, big mistake in doing that. And remember, he's not loved at all in Greece. He is the most hated player in the history of world basketball by 95+% of Panathinaikos fans, which makes up 1/3 of the worldwide Greek fan base. This is the guy that has 20,000 PAO fans singing about how they will rape and kill his mother, singing that in unison at OAKA when he is playing there.

This is the guy that was forced to give blood and urine samples AFTER EVERY GAME in Greek League, because a sports website owned by Panathinaikos' owner claimed he was doping. No apologies were made after he passed every test. But the league enforced that, just because the PAO owner had one of his sports websites make the claim. The league is run by guys that went through the Panathinaikos club system.

He is also savaged on a daily basis by the Greek media, which the owner of Panathinaikos owns about 40% of Greek sports media. And of course he is treated horribly by the refs in Greece, which the former President of Panathinaikos runs the Greek ref association and all the refs in the Greek League playoffs came through the Panathinaikos club system.

Never mind the insane nonsense that goes on in the games with the hooligans and all that craziness with players being attacked, the arena being torn up, and championship games not ending and instead being called and given to the opponents by the refs, due to "fan interference".

Spanoulis does not have the same situation that Diamantidis has in Panathinaikos, or that Navarro has in Barca. Not even close to be honest about it. He makes more money than they do, but really, he made a big mistake not signing that huge contract CSKA offered him.

[Euroleague]

In before 29 year old Jasikevicius just coming off a Euroleague finals MVP and Championship the previous season was past his prime.

That's funny, because whenever anyone points out that Jasikevicius was actually the best player on that Maccabi team and was the one actually leading it to championships..............

YOU and a hundred other TROLLS here claim that Jasikevicius was "a scrub being carried by the Euro GOAT Anthony Parker".

Now all of a sudden, Jasikevicius was an MVP and champion.

Hypocrites BURN IN HELL.

[SpurrDurr]

If you think Tony Parker is more athletic than Spanoulis, then you have an IQ below 65.


:roll:

[chains5000]

Spanoulis turned down a $10.5 million higher offer from CSKA. I think he made a big, big mistake in doing that.
Who knows? Nobody expected Olympiacos to win the Euroleague again, and they did.
Spanoulis has chosen to play where he likes to be, it's a good decision.

[LJJ]

That's funny, because whenever anyone points out that Jasikevicius was actually the best player on that Maccabi team and was the one actually leading it to championships..............

YOU and a hundred other TROLLS here claim that Jasikevicius was "a scrub being carried by the Euro GOAT Anthony Parker".

Now all of a sudden, Jasikevicius was an MVP and champion.

Hypocrites BURN IN HELL.

No one claims Jasi was a scrub on Maccabi. He was the finals MVP...Parker the overall MVP.. He was Tony Parker to Anthony Parker's Duncan. So to speak.

Even in the NBA Jasi wasn't a scrub, that's what V-Span in the NBA was.

[dr.hee]

And he did not "blow his chance against the best", as he was the absolute nightmare of Team USA 2 different times.

Wow, 2 different times? That's a huge sample size. Let's talk about Darren Collison dishing out 18 and 20 assists in 2 different games:roll:


Jasikevicius was not good enough for a starting role in the NBA, he tried and failed. Nothing wrong with that, being a professional player is very impressive even if it's only at the Euroleague level. Jasikevicius absolutely sucked in the NBA, but many did, and even more will in the future. So what? If he's more athletic than Tony Parker, he has to be all the less skilled and intelligent if you look at his lackluster NBA performances.

I'm from Europe btw, and there are some aspects I really like better in Euroleague. And some guys over here get underrated for sure. Jasikevicius still sucked in the NBA though.

[Euroleague]

Who knows? Nobody expected Olympiacos to win the Euroleague again, and they did.
Spanoulis has chosen to play where he likes to be, it's a good decision.

Not really. The craziness in the Greek League has gotten totally absurd. This last championship was even worse than the one 3 years ago.

Kyle Hines gave an interview where he said he left Olympiacos because of the craziness going on with the refs, the PAO owner, and the fans in both the SEF and OAKA arenas.

He said his family begged him to leave because they did not feel safe, after people are being attacked and death threats are being made by the Panathinaikos owner.

The refs being threatened with death at halftime by the PAO owner and essentially he got away without any legal charges brought against him and just got fined and suspended.........

then the finals being suspended and called off due to "fan interference" for the 2nd time in the last 3 years.......

The Greek League has gotten completely insane and crazy and the current Panathinaikos owner is insane. I would have taken that huge offer from CSKA and got out if I was Spanoulis. Just like Hines did.

There are not too many sane and normal people in the Panathinaikos fan base, but the ones that are - they are all scared of this current owner and what he is going to do. Things have gotten completely crazy and insane.

Did you know that the Euroleague already threatened that Panathinaikos would be banned from Euroleague if they keep doing this stuff?

[Euroleague]

Wow, 2 different times? That's a huge sample size. Let's talk about Darren Collison dishing out 18 and 20 assists in 2 different games:roll:


Jasikevicius was not good enough for a starting role in the NBA, he tried and failed. Nothing wrong with that, being a professional player is very impressive even if it's only at the Euroleague level. Jasikevicius absolutely sucked in the NBA, but many did, and even more will in the future. So what? If he's more athletic than Tony Parker, he has to be all the less skilled and intelligent if you look at his lackluster NBA performances.

I'm from Europe btw, and there are some aspects I really like better in Euroleague. And some guys over here get underrated for sure. Jasikevicius still sucked in the NBA though.

Sarunas Jasikevicius Euroleague career -

206 games played - 96 games started

Since you are obviously retarded and basic math is beyond your grasp, that means he only started in 46.6% of the games he played in Euroleague.

And Darren Collison would not even make the rotation of Barca, the team Saras was playing in at age 37 this last season.

And I never said one damn thing about Jasikevicius being more athletic than Tony Parker you mental midget.

If you ever have an original thought to share, or a salient point to make, do it. Otherwise, piss the hell off.

[Euroleague]

No one claims Jasi was a scrub on Maccabi. He was the finals MVP...Parker the overall MVP.. He was Tony Parker to Anthony Parker's Duncan. So to speak.

Even in the NBA Jasi wasn't a scrub, that's what V-Span in the NBA was.

TROLL STATUS CONFIRMED

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[dr.hee]

Sarunas Jasikevicius Euroleague career -

206 games played - 96 games started

Since you are obviously retarded and basic math is beyond your grasp, that means he only started in 46.6% of the games he played in Euroelague.

And Darren Collison would not even make the rotation of Barca, the team Saras was playing in at age 37 this last season.

And I never said one damn thing about him being more athletic than Tony Parker you mental midget.

If you ever have an original thought to share, or a salient point to make, do it. Otherwise, piss the hell off.

Doesn't change the fact that Jasikevicius couldn't get it done in the NBA. Not good enough apparently. Or did the coaches not hug him enough like they did with Spanoulis?

[Euroleague]

Doesn't change the fact that Jasikevicius couldn't get it done in the NBA. Not good enough apparently. Or did the coaches not hug him enough like they did with Spanoulis?

Ricky Rubio
Ty Lawson
Gary Neal
Goran Dragic
Brian Roberts
Jose Calderon
Brandon Jennings

etc.

NBA rotation point guards that could not get it done in Euroleague. Maybe their coaches in Euroleague did not hug them enough.

[dr.hee]

Ricky Rubio
Ty Lawson
Gary Neal
Goran Dragic
Brian Roberts
Jose Calderon
Brandon Jennings

etc.

NBA rotation point guards that could not get it done in Euroleague. Maybe their coaches in Euroleague did not hug them enough.

If I say Jasikevicius sucked in the NBA, that's a valid statement. If player xy sucked in Euroleague, that's valid, too. So what is your point?

[chains5000]

Not really. The craziness in the Greek League has gotten totally absurd. This last championship was even worse than the one 3 years ago.

Kyle Hines gave an interview where he said he left Olympiacos because of the craziness going on with the refs, the PAO owner, and the fans in both the SEF and OAKA arenas.

He said his family begged him to leave because they did not feel safe, after people are being attacked and death threats are being made by the Panathinaikos owner.

The refs being threatened with death at halftime by the PAO owner and essentially he got away without any legal charges brought against him and just got fined and suspended.........

then the finals being suspended and called off due to "fan interference" for the 2nd time in the last 3 years.......

The Greek League has gotten completely insane and crazy and the current Panathinaikos owner is insane. I would have taken that huge offer from CSKA and got out if I was Spanoulis. Just like Hines did.

There are not too many sane and normal people in the Panathinaikos fan base, but the ones that are - they are all scared of this current owner and what he is going to do. Things have gotten completely crazy and insane.

Did you know that the Euroleague already threatened that Panathinaikos would be banned from Euroleague if they keep doing this stuff?
I thought you were saying he made a bad decision based on on-court stuff, or salary wise.
As for all the things you mention, you're right. I think I read an interview to Spanoulis where he talked about how wrong things are going in Greece.

[Dr.J4ever]

Not really. The craziness in the Greek League has gotten totally absurd. This last championship was even worse than the one 3 years ago.

Kyle Hines gave an interview where he said he left Olympiacos because of the craziness going on with the refs, the PAO owner, and the fans in both the SEF and OAKA arenas.

He said his family begged him to leave because they did not feel safe, after people are being attacked and death threats are being made by the Panathinaikos owner.

The refs being threatened with death at halftime by the PAO owner and essentially he got away without any legal charges brought against him and just got fined and suspended.........




then the finals being suspended and called off due to "fan interference" for the 2nd time in the last 3 years.......

The Greek League has gotten completely insane and crazy and the current Panathinaikos owner is insane. I would have taken that huge offer from CSKA and got out if I was Spanoulis. Just like Hines did.

There are not too many sane and normal people in the Panathinaikos fan base, but the ones that are - they are all scared of this current owner and what he is going to do. Things have gotten completely crazy and insane.

Did you know that the Euroleague already threatened that Panathinaikos would be banned from Euroleague if they keep doing this stuff?


This is where Euroleague is correct. It's getting absurd over there with the violence and fanaticism. It's really a shame that V.Span didn't push a little more to join the NBA. If I were in his shoes, I would tell my agent to push
for an NBA contract.

[Dr.J4ever]

Wow, 2 different times? That's a huge sample size. Let's talk about Darren Collison dishing out 18 and 20 assists in 2 different games:roll:


Jasikevicius was not good enough for a starting role in the NBA, he tried and failed. Nothing wrong with that, being a professional player is very impressive even if it's only at the Euroleague level. Jasikevicius absolutely sucked in the NBA, but many did, and even more will in the future. So what? If he's more athletic than Tony Parker, he has to be all the less skilled and intelligent if you look at his lackluster NBA performances.

I'm from Europe btw, and there are some aspects I really like better in Euroleague. And some guys over here get underrated for sure. Jasikevicius still sucked in the NBA though.

It's not two different times, BTW. VSpan totally destroyed team USA once in 2006, but then played very poorly in a blowout loss in 2008. So there.

[Trollsmasher]

Spanoulis turned down a $10.5 million higher offer from CSKA. I think he made a big, big mistake in doing that. And remember, he's not loved at all in Greece. He is the most hated player in the history of world basketball by 95+% of Panathinaikos fans, which makes up 1/3 of the worldwide Greek fan base. This is the guy that has 20,000 PAO fans singing about how they will rape and kill his mother, singing that in unison at OAKA when he is playing there.

This is the guy that was forced to give blood and urine samples AFTER EVERY GAME in Greek League, because a sports website owned by Panathinaikos' owner claimed he was doping. No apologies were made after he passed every test. But the league enforced that, just because the PAO owner had one of his sports websites make the claim. The league is run by guys that went through the Panathinaikos club system.

He is also savaged on a daily basis by the Greek media, which the owner of Panathinaikos owns about 40% of Greek sports media. And of course he is treated horribly by the refs in Greece, which the former President of Panathinaikos runs the Greek ref association and all the refs in the Greek League playoffs came through the Panathinaikos club system.

Never mind the insane nonsense that goes on in the games with the hooligans and all that craziness with players being attacked, the arena being torn up, and championship games not ending and instead being called and given to the opponents by the refs, due to "fan interference".

Spanoulis does not have the same situation that Diamantidis has in Panathinaikos, or that Navarro has in Barca. Not even close to be honest about it. He makes more money than they do, but really, he made a big mistake not signing that huge contract CSKA offered him.
lol:lol

[Euroleague]

If I say Jasikevicius sucked in the NBA, that's a valid statement. If player xy sucked in Euroleague, that's valid, too. So what is your point?

You said Calderon was more talented than Jasikevicius. That's my point. You are totally full of shit.

[Euroleague]

This is where Euroleague is correct. It's getting absurd over there with the violence and fanaticism. It's really a shame that V.Span didn't push a little more to join the NBA. If I were in his shoes, I would tell my agent to push
for an NBA contract.

2 NBA teams did offer him contracts and a starting position at point guard. The reason he did not take those offers, or the great offer of Barca - the biggest and best sports club in the world (which was making him by far and away the highest paid player in the history of Spanish League, they were offering him almost double what Rudy Fernandez and Juan Carlos Navarro make in Spain).....

or a huge offer from CSKA as far as European contracts go (3 years $27 million) is because his wife did not want to leave Athens.

They have 3 young kids, a newborn baby, and she is very close to her family. So that is why he stayed with Olympiacos, even though he got much less money from them (in NBA terms 3 years $15.6 million).

I think he should have taken the offer of Barca, or an NBA team, or definitely the offer of CSKA, where he could play with zero pressure and only have to play hard in 2 games in an entire season.

In Barca or the NBA it would also be 10 times easier for him and with much less pressure. He has to do ridiculous work and effort in Olympiacos and he's under unbelievable pressure there.

[Euroleague]

It's not two different times, BTW. VSpan totally destroyed team USA once in 2006, but then played very poorly in a blowout loss in 2008. So there.

First of all, it IS 2 different times. Jasikevicius was a total nightmare for USA TWICE. In 2000 and 2004.

Secondly, Spanoulis did NOT play "very poorly in 2008".

He had an extremely good game in 2008. If he played very poorly in 2008, there would have been no reason for Team USA to have to double team him after the first 15 minutes of the game.

STOP LYING.

You just can't stop. JUST FOR ONCE STOP LYING.

[HarryCallahan]

2 NBA teams did offer him contracts and a starting position at point guard. The reason he did not take those offers, or the great offer of Barca - the biggest and best sports club in the world (which was making him by far and away the highest paid player in the history of Spanish League, they were offering him almost double what Rudy Fernandez and Juan Carlos Navarro make in Spain).....

or a huge offer from CSKA as far as European contracts go (3 years $27 million) is because his wife did not want to leave Athens.

They have 3 young kids, a newborn baby, and she is very close to her family. So that is why he stayed with Olympiacos, even though he got much less money from them (in NBA terms 3 years $15.6 million).

I think he should have taken the offer of Barca, or an NBA team, or definitely the offer of CSKA, where he could play with zero pressure and only have to play hard in 2 games in an entire season.

In Barca or the NBA it would also be 10 times easier for him and with much less pressure. He has to do ridiculous work and effort in Olympiacos and he's under unbelievable pressure there.

His wife is a stoopid b!tch then.

[Euroleague]

His wife is a stoopid b!tch then.

She's a typical Greek woman. That's how they tend to be with their husbands, but especially with their sons.

It's a different mentality in general.

But yeah, I think he would be in Barcelona or Moscow, or NBA if he was not married.

Then again, money is no issue for them. Spanoulis has made $54 million in his career from a report I saw. So they probably don't even care about the money anymore.

But, Barcelona is damn nice...crazy hard to pass up offers like that.

[chains5000]

His wife is a stoopid b!tch then.
Why? They already got more than enough money, why is it stupid to want to raise your kids at your home country?

[Unbiased_one]

First of all, it IS 2 different times. Jasikevicius was a total nightmare for USA TWICE. In 2000 and 2004.

Secondly, Spanoulis did NOT play "very poorly in 2008".

He had an extremely good game in 2008. If he played very poorly in 2008, there would have been no reason for Team USA to have to double team him after the first 15 minutes of the game.

STOP LYING.

You just can't stop. JUST FOR ONCE STOP LYING.

So I just looked at the play by play, and he was 1-3 with 4 points after 15 minutes...after that sort of domination of course they would double team him :facepalm
I think someone else needs to stop lying :lol

[Dr.J4ever]

So I just looked at the play by play, and he was 1-3 with 4 points after 15 minutes...after that sort of domination of course they would double team him :facepalm
I think someone else needs to stop lying :lol

He played VERY POORLY in 2008. That I am sure off. I saw the game, and saw the stats. He didn't shoot well, and turned the ball over, and some of his points came when the game was decided in garbage time. He couldn't handle the PRESSURE DEFENSE by the US. Yes, they trapped him a couple of times, but this is something the US does to all PG's who have suspect athleticism.

To be fair, no one from Greece played well. It was thoroughly dominated by the revenge minded Americans almost from the start. After that game, it seemed Greece has been on a decline as a world power . CLEARLY EXPOSED

[HarryCallahan]

Why? They already got more than enough money, why is it stupid to want to raise your kids at your home country?

Because their father gets death threats on a daily basis there? :confusedshrug:

3/$27mil (i'm assuming that's after taxes) is ridiculous money and CSKA has some nice players too.

[gabepizza]

Ricky Rubio
Ty Lawson
Gary Neal
Goran Dragic
Brian Roberts
Jose Calderon
Brandon Jennings

etc.

NBA rotation point guards that could not get it done in Euroleague. Maybe their coaches in Euroleague did not hug them enough.


Yawn. Lies, lies and lies again.

Ricky Rubio - selected Euroleague rising star (best Euroleague player 22 or under) Was the starting pg for a Euroleague champion which he led in points and assists
Ty Lawson - played a total of 7 Euroleague games during the lockout
Gary Neal - played a total of 7 Euroleague games then went over to Eurocup where he was all-Eurocup 2nd team
Goran Dragic - Euroleague stats 8.6/2.7 NBA stats 9.5/4.2 and Euroleague games are 8 minutes longer and assists are not counted as easily so basically the same/similar stats
Brian Roberts - Euroleague stats 8.6/2.2 NBA stats 7.1/2.8

[Dr.J4ever]

2 NBA teams did offer him contracts and a starting position at point guard. The reason he did not take those offers, or the great offer of Barca - the biggest and best sports club in the world (which was making him by far and away the highest paid player in the history of Spanish League, they were offering him almost double what Rudy Fernandez and Juan Carlos Navarro make in Spain).....

or a huge offer from CSKA as far as European contracts go (3 years $27 million) is because his wife did not want to leave Athens.

They have 3 young kids, a newborn baby, and she is very close to her family. So that is why he stayed with Olympiacos, even though he got much less money from them (in NBA terms 3 years $15.6 million).

I think he should have taken the offer of Barca, or an NBA team, or definitely the offer of CSKA, where he could play with zero pressure and only have to play hard in 2 games in an entire season.

In Barca or the NBA it would also be 10 times easier for him and with much less pressure. He has to do ridiculous work and effort in Olympiacos and he's under unbelievable pressure there.

You said there were 2 NBA offers. One from Indiana to be a rotation player, and one from the Sixers to be a starter. From the Sixers side, I can say this is totally false. There were no Sixer offers. I usually keep myself updated with insiders from Libertyballers.com and Philly.com, and there was no talk at all on the Sixers side and VSpan.

With the Pacers, I don't think there were any, but I hope someone more knowledgeable than me about Pacers basketball will come out and say so about VSpan.

[dr.hee]

You said there were 2 NBA offers. One from Indiana to be a rotation player, and one from the Sixers to be a starter. From the Sixers side, I can say this is totally false. There were no Sixer offers. I usually keep myself updated with insiders from Libertyballers.com and Philly.com, and there was no talk at all on the Sixers side and VSpan.

With the Pacers, I don't think there were any, but I hope someone more knowledgeable than me about Pacers basketball will come out and say so about VSpan.

There have been some vague rumours about 2 franchises interested in Spanoulis, but the details naming specific teams and projected roles for him are of course made up by our good friend Euroleague. He talked nonsense about hearing this from Europe.
Now I am from Europe, and it's bulllsh*t. There has been one post at Eurohoops.net mentioning the rumour of 2 NBA teams interested, but the whole talk about details is completely made up.
It's not big talk in Europe :roll:

[Euroleague]

So I just looked at the play by play, and he was 1-3 with 4 points after 15 minutes...after that sort of domination of course they would double team him :facepalm
I think someone else needs to stop lying :lol

Yes YOU. Using a play by play instead of watching the game.

Greece was tearing them up using Spanoulis in high pick and roll and iso and he was being single covered by Kobe.

Then Coach K switched to a trap and pressure defense and they doubled Spanoulis and trapped him the whole rest of the game.

It's idiots like you always going off here that ruin this otherwise great forum.

[Euroleague]

He played VERY POORLY in 2008. That I am sure off. I saw the game, and saw the stats. He didn't shoot well, and turned the ball over, and some of his points came when the game was decided in garbage time. He couldn't handle the PRESSURE DEFENSE by the US. Yes, they trapped him a couple of times, but this is something the US does to all PG's who have suspect athleticism.

To be fair, no one from Greece played well. It was thoroughly dominated by the revenge minded Americans almost from the start. After that game, it seemed Greece has been on a decline as a world power . CLEARLY EXPOSED

You are a pathological liar and a CREEP.

And USA did not cause any problems for Spanoulis with their pressure D LIAR. He was the only Greek guard that broke it with ease. It was Papaloukas and Diamantidis (the two Greek guards you and gabepizza worship) that could not even get the ball past half court against the pressure, especially Diamantidis could not.

Spanoulis broke that with complete ease.

And for having "suspect athleticism", then that means Team USA guards are HORRIFICALLY BAD ATHLETES, considering Spanoulis was blowing by every single one of them off the dribble in single coverage.

Hell, he was making Kobe look like a 70 year old man.

YOU DID NOT WATCH THAT GAME EVER IN YOUR LIFE.

[Euroleague]

Yawn. Lies, lies and lies again.

Ricky Rubio - selected Euroleague rising star (best Euroleague player 22 or under) Was the starting pg for a Euroleague champion which he led in points and assists
Ty Lawson - played a total of 7 Euroleague games during the lockout
Gary Neal - played a total of 7 Euroleague games then went over to Eurocup where he was all-Eurocup 2nd team
Goran Dragic - Euroleague stats 8.6/2.7 NBA stats 9.5/4.2 and Euroleague games are 8 minutes longer and assists are not counted as easily so basically the same/similar stats
Brian Roberts - Euroleague stats 8.6/2.2 NBA stats 7.1/2.8

Yawn lies, yawn lies.

You are a racist leech.

[dr.hee]

You are a pathological liar

Like saying the 76ers offered Spanoulis the starting PG role?

[Euroleague]

You said there were 2 NBA offers. One from Indiana to be a rotation player, and one from the Sixers to be a starter. From the Sixers side, I can say this is totally false. There were no Sixer offers. I usually keep myself updated with insiders from Libertyballers.com and Philly.com, and there was no talk at all on the Sixers side and VSpan.

With the Pacers, I don't think there were any, but I hope someone more knowledgeable than me about Pacers basketball will come out and say so about VSpan.

I said there were 2 NBA teams offered him starting spots and contracts. This is after the fact.

It was the Lakers and the Mavs if you must know.

[chains5000]

Yawn. Lies, lies and lies again.

Ricky Rubio - selected Euroleague rising star (best Euroleague player 22 or under) Was the starting pg for a Euroleague champion which he led in points and assists
Seriously, when did this happen?

[Euroleague]

There have been some vague rumours about 2 franchises interested in Spanoulis, but the details naming specific teams and projected roles for him are of course made up by our good friend Euroleague. He talked nonsense about hearing this from Europe.
Now I am from Europe, and it's bulllsh*t. There has been one post at Eurohoops.net mentioning the rumour of 2 NBA teams interested, but the whole talk about details is completely made up.
It's not big talk in Europe :roll:

Yeah, and Calderon is "more talented than Jasikevicius".

Seriously, you have NO ONE fooled.

[Euroleague]

Seriously, when did this happen?

It happened in the mind of gabepizza. Not only did it happen in his mind, but ANYONE that thinks it did not happen is "crazy and a liar".

Of course guys like Dr. J4ever just praise him for bringing his "facts" to the forum.

Just ignore that guy gabepizza. He's seriously crazy. I mean the guy is an absolute certifiable lunatic.

[dr.hee]

I said there were 2 NBA teams offered him starting spots and contracts. This is after the fact.

It was the Lakers and the Mavs if you must know.

:roll:

So this makes it 4 teams then?


I am hearing very big rumors in Greece that two NBA teams, Indiana Pacers and Philadelphia 76ers want Vassilis Spanoulis.

From what I hear the Pacers want him to be a rotation player, with a chance to take over as the starter at point guard, while the 76ers are offering him the starting position, with a guarantee that he starts the whole season.

The Pacers are offering more money though, but with a big salary cut from what he is being offered by big European clubs. However, it is still a good salary.

The 76ers are offering less money, but hoping he takes the offer, because he would be guaranteed to be the team's starting point guard.

:lol

Are you mentally ill? Seriously. Do you believe the things you post? Is there any serious source for:

a) 76ers offering him a starting spot?
b) Pacers wanting him as a rotation player?
c) Mavs and Lakers making an offer?

...except the voices in your head of course.

[Dr.J4ever]

I said there were 2 NBA teams offered him starting spots and contracts. This is after the fact.

It was the Lakers and the Mavs if you must know.
No, I remember you said it was the Sixers and Pacers. That's very clear.Stop lying, it will make you feel better!

[Dr.J4ever]

:roll:

So this makes it 4 teams then?



:lol

Are you mentally ill? Seriously. Do you believe the things you post? Is there any serious source for:

a) 76ers offering him a starting spot?
b) Pacers wanting him as a rotation player?
c) Mavs and Lakers making an offer?

...except the voices in your head of course.

EXPOSED:lol

[Euroleague]

:roll:

So this makes it 4 teams then?



:lol

Are you mentally ill? Seriously. Do you believe the things you post? Is there any serious source for:

a) 76ers offering him a starting spot?
b) Pacers wanting him as a rotation player?
c) Mavs and Lakers making an offer?

...except the voices in your head of course.

Go jack it to a poster of Cuban.

[Euroleague]

No, I remember you said it was the Sixers and Pacers. That's very clear.Stop lying, it will make you feel better!

No you idiot. I said the two teams that actually sent his agent offers were Lakers and Mavs.

STOP BEING A DICK.

[dr.hee]

Go jack it to a poster of Cuban.

Would much rather prefer jacking it to sources of Spanoulis getting a starting job from Philly, a bench spot from Indiana and offers from Dallas and LA in 2013. That would really get me off.

[Euroleague]

Would much rather prefer jacking it to sources of Spanoulis getting a starting job from Philly, a bench spot from Indiana and offers from Dallas and LA in 2013. That would really get me off.

He was offered STARTER by Mavs and TURNED IT DOWN. DEAL WITH IT bitch.

[Dr.J4ever]

Would much rather prefer jacking it to sources of Spanoulis getting a starting job from Philly, a bench spot from Indiana and offers from Dallas and LA in 2013. That would really get me off.

Maybe this is the untold story in the Laker-Dwight Howard meetings! When Nash, Kobe, and Lakers Mangmnt met with Howard, VSpan also joined them via video to say he would join the Lakers. Maybe this is why Dwight decided on Houston.

What a "scoop" by euroleague from his "sources"!

[Euroleague]

Maybe this is the untold story in the Laker-Dwight Howard meetings! When Nash, Kobe, and Lakers Mangmnt met with Howard, VSpan also joined them via video to say he would join the Lakers. Maybe this is why Dwight decided on Houston.

What a "scoop" by euroleague from his "sources"!

Kobe and Spanoulis are actually friends you moron. Spanoulis isn't playing anywhere in NBA for league minimum, not even the Lakers.

[Dr.J4ever]

He was offered STARTER by Mavs and TURNED IT DOWN. DEAL WITH IT bitch.

If every lie you have given in this thread were like a team foul in a quarter, you would now be in the penalty:roll:

[dr.hee]

He was offered STARTER by Mavs and TURNED IT DOWN. DEAL WITH IT bitch.

:roll:

Source? In 2013?

[jzek]

Can you imagine VSpan trying to cover other PGs like Rose or Irving or Wall or even an old guy like Parker? That's why he'll never be back in the NBA. Maybe if he accepts a Prigioni role, sure, but as a starter? Never. Just not athletic enough for the NBA.

[Euroleague]

If every lie you have given in this thread were like a team foul in a quarter, you would now be in the penalty:roll:

You have lied every time you have ever posted in this forum. Read up bitch. 3:9

[dr.hee]

You have lied every time you have ever posted in this forum. Read up bitch. 3:9

:roll:

[Euroleague]

Can you imagine VSpan trying to cover other PGs like Rose or Irving or Wall or even an old guy like Parker? That's why he'll never be back in the NBA. Maybe if he accepts a Prigioni role, sure, but as a starter? Never. Just not athletic enough for the NBA.

If he is not athletic enough for NBA, then neither are 95% of the point guards currently in the NBA.

Also half the point guards in the NBA are below average athletically for Euroleague point guard standards.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Uh, the Mavs never offered V-Span a contract. Whether other teams did I don't know but the Mavs never did.

[Aussie Dunker]

ask Sarunas Jasikevicius. scoring PGs w/ below NBA average athleticism just don't work in the NBA. they lack the footspeed and handle more often to handle pressure defense more often that not. that doesn't make them bad basketball players, it just makes them good basketball players that don't fit the NBA game.

besides, why come over here in a limited role, if any role, for less money than you'd get staying where you are?

I would take prime Jasikevicius over Spanoulis...

[Dr.J4ever]

I would take prime Jasikevicius over Spanoulis...
me too

[alexd]

1)Jasikevicius is by far better player than calderon etc. He s amazing at PnR and outstanding shooter.What he lacks is athleticism(by that i mean jumping ability etc)and effort on defense.i mean the guy never players d. But he has high iq and tremendous passer.He didn t go well at nba not because he wasn t skilled enough or crafted enough.his lack of d and his character set him behind
Spanoulis is not a bad player by any means.All of u who say that propably never saw him play.U just hate him cause of the euroleague guy.He can play in teh nba eh s athletic not jumping ability but strong and quick feet.He can getter better.I mean come on 26 year old prigioni played.He s a scoring pg that can run the fast break.He can t control the flow of the game or being a j.kidd pg

[Andrei89]

So where are the links from Euroleague?

Where are the sources?

What are we discussing here?

[gabepizza]

Seriously, when did this happen?


Sorry my mistake. I meant he led in assists and steals.

[gabepizza]

If he is not athletic enough for NBA, then neither are 95% of the point guards currently in the NBA.

Also half the point guards in the NBA are below average athletically for Euroleague point guard standards.

:facepalm

Half the point guards in Euroleague are below average athletically for WNBA point guard standards.

[dr.hee]

So where are the links from Euroleague?

Where are the sources?

What are we discussing here?

For guys posting more often here...is Euroleague for real? I mean sounds like trolling, but there is enough footage of mentally ill people on youtube to at least leave the possibility open that he's actually insane...So any insight whether he's paid to do this, simply another troll or an actual nutcase?

[FKAri]

The answer is obvious. He's not that good. He couldn't cut it in the league, physically he's just not there with NBA peers. Sure he can survive as a slow as molasses guard in petty, weak, athletically inferior greek leagues. That is nothing to brag about.

He could probably ball in the NBA for a game or two if given the confidence and minutes from his coach, but he doesn't have the physical gifts to do it for 82 games + playoffs with increased scouting and defensive attention. Even though he's a Euro MVP, that doesn't say much.

Hell, look at Euroleague GOAT, Anthony Parker and what he was able to achieve in the Association. A run of the mill, average at best starting SG. In the NBA it takes elite skill, and significant physical gifts of athleticism to be a superstar.

did not read lol. The NBA is a scrub league. I watch it for laughs.



If you think Tony Parker is more athletic than Spanoulis, then you have an IQ below 65.

And Jasikevicius was more athletic than guys like current Andre Miller, 40 year old Kidd, 40 year old Nash, and Calderon, all of them playing major minutes in NBA at point guard position.

It is clear that you have NEVER EVER seen any of these players play EVER.

The Euroleague sucks. Spoon Lolis and Jessica Vicious have less hops than wheelchair ballers.

[dannywpt]

Just ignore that guy gabepizza. He's seriously crazy. I mean the guy is an absolute certifiable lunatic.

Are you absolutely sure you are in a position to be handing out diagnosises on the internet? :D

[Jameerthefear]

Seriously there is no way Euroleague could be sane.

[RRR3]

Because he makes Chris Duhon look like Russell Westbrook

[CavaliersFTW]

:roll:

So this makes it 4 teams then?



:lol

Are you mentally ill? Seriously. Do you believe the things you post? Is there any serious source for:

a) 76ers offering him a starting spot?
b) Pacers wanting him as a rotation player?
c) Mavs and Lakers making an offer?

...except the voices in your head of course.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hLfnzV9Oe1Q/UcqHb9DhuMI/AAAAAAAAEbg/1sbA-CDLqsI/s400/Stooges%2520gif.gif

[Inferno]

The Euroleague sucks. Spoon Lolis and Jessica Vicious have less hops than wheelchair ballers.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Dr.J4ever]

For guys posting more often here...is Euroleague for real? I mean sounds like trolling, but there is enough footage of mentally ill people on youtube to at least leave the possibility open that he's actually insane...So any insight whether he's paid to do this, simply another troll or an actual nutcase?

There's absolutely something loose up there. It's hard to imagine someone actually believes his garbage. Me and Gabepizza have been "debating" him in Ballineurope for a couple of years now until someone on that site told us he spews this type of belief system on different websites like the Rockets website,ISH, interbasket, and others.

[Euroleague]

Kirilenko was asked recently about who he thinks is the best European player, not Euroleague player, but the best European player in the world. That includes all the European players in the NBA.

He said Spanoulis is the best.

[CavaliersFTW]

Kirilenko was asked recently about who he thinks is the best European player, not Euroleague player, but the best European player in the world. That includes all the European players in the NBA.

He said Spanoulis is the best.
Link? Or did this happen in your head movies again?

[ballup]

Reporter:

If you were asked to name the best basketball player in Europe in 2012, who would you choose?
Kirilenko:


I would choose three. Spanoulis, Parker and (Pau) Gasol. Spanoulis lead Olympiacos the entire season, taking them into the final which they won. Although to be honest, he couldn't take Greece into the Olympics. Parker, in my opinion, is the most underrated player, whom I consider the best point guard in the world. Just see San Antonio Spurs: their stars Duncan and Ginobili are injured, but he continues leading his team to easy wins. And the silver medal France won in the previous Eurobasket was entirely thanks to him. So, comparing to other super-stars, Tony Parker gets much less coverage. Even when he won the NBA Finals MVP award, FIBA Europe decided to ignore him for some reason.
This is how you source quotes (http://www.talkbasket.net/7568-kirilenko-i-d-give-the-award-to-spanoulis-parker-and-gasol.html)

[CavaliersFTW]

Reporter:

Kirilenko:

This is how you source quotes (http://www.talkbasket.net/7568-kirilenko-i-d-give-the-award-to-spanoulis-parker-and-gasol.html)
:applause: Euroleague's lies exposed again.

[Inferno]

Reporter:

Kirilenko:

This is how you source quotes (http://www.talkbasket.net/7568-kirilenko-i-d-give-the-award-to-spanoulis-parker-and-gasol.html)

Euroleague exposed :bowdown:

[KG215]

Reporter:

Kirilenko:

This is how you source quotes (http://www.talkbasket.net/7568-kirilenko-i-d-give-the-award-to-spanoulis-parker-and-gasol.html)
Nothing better than seeing Euroleague get embarrassingly exposed.

But be prepared, even though you've provided the exact quote and link, he'll still call you a liar, and/or racist, and/or a troll, and/or psychotic.

[CavaliersFTW]

Nothing better than seeing Euroleague get embarrassingly exposed.

But be prepared, even though you've provided the exact quote and link, he'll still call you a liar, and/or racist, and/or a troll, and/or *clinically/certifiably* psychotic.
*fixed

[Inferno]

Nothing better than seeing Euroleague get embarrassingly exposed.

But be prepared, even though you've provided the exact quote and link, he'll still call you a liar, and/or racist, and/or a troll, and/or psychotic.

:roll: :roll:

He'll also call you a racist and tell you to "GTFO," all in bold :oldlol: