lebron james - offensively overrated?

[diamenz]

what exactly can lebron do besides bully his way to the basket, shoot threes and use his size and speed to his advantage? what skill sets does he actually possess? what second, third and fourth options does he have when driving to the basket besides passing the ball? where are the up & unders, spins, half spins and ball fakes? where are the fundamentals? what exactly is so impressive about his offensive game?

[K]

What matters is the result. If somebody scores 25+ ppg at 45% and the other scores 25+ ppg at 50% I don't care how much artistry and skill is involved versus raw physical talent. I'd take the more effective one. Thank you very much.

[red1]

what exactly can lebron do besides bully his way to the basket, shoot threes and use his size and speed to his advantage? what skill sets does he actually possess? what second, third and fourth options does he have when driving to the basket besides passing the ball? where are the up & unders, spins, half spins and ball fakes? where are the fundamentals? what exactly is so impressive about his offensive game?
what more does he need? on pace to be top 3 GOAT and you think his offense is overrated? :oldlol:

[Wang Zhi Zhi]

what exactly can lebron do besides bully his way to the basket, shoot threes and use his size and speed to his advantage? what skill sets does he actually possess? what second, third and fourth options does he have when driving to the basket besides passing the ball? where are the up & unders, spins, half spins and ball fakes? where are the fundamentals? what exactly is so impressive about his offensive game?
:lol :lol :lol

are you serious

[nathanjizzle]

this thread will go as well as my lamar odom handles thread

[Lakers2877]

His overall offensive game has really improved the last couple of years. He's hitting his jumper more consistently. Has a little post game now, which he never had his first 7 years. As far as bull rushing to the rim, what is wrong with that? He's bigger, stronger, faster, quicker, etc than everybody else. Why not use those gifts to your advantag?

The guy is a beast and he's getting better. That's a scary thought

[HorryIsMyMVP]

His overall offensive game has really improved the last couple of years. He's hitting his jumper more consistently. Has a little post game now, which he never had his first 7 years. As far as bull rushing to the rim, what is wrong with that? He's bigger, stronger, faster, quicker, etc than everybody else. Why not use those gifts to your advantag?

The guy is a beast and he's getting better. That's a scary thought
It isn't that scary considering his athleticism has already drastically declined. 3-4 years from now I can see him being sort of like a Ron Artest.

[SilkkTheShocker]

He puts the ball in the basket at an above average clip. That's all that matters. Maybe the And 1 mixtape tour is more up to your speed, OP

[SilkkTheShocker]

this thread will go as well as my lamar odom handles thread
Or as well as Rose against Lebron in 4th quarters

[Kingwillball]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWZD2O7oYIQ

[Young X]

How you do it doesn't matter, all that matters is effectiveness/results, Lebron is one of the GOAT offensive players.

If you're saying his limited skill set hurts him in certain situations against certain teams (disappearing in the finals), then that's a different story.

Is Monta Ellis better offensively than Shaq was because he scored in more ways?

:kobe:

[tazb]

So he's 3rd in PPG in NBA HISTORY and he's overrated offensively lmao. I wonder how good Kobe is offensively who is like 10th or someshit. ****ing Kobe-tards.

[WayOfWade]

Let me get this straight, you think that LeBron James, a career 27 PPG scorer, someone who just shot 56.5% from the field and 40% from three this past season, someone who now has a consistent postgame, someone who is one of the best passers in the league, is offensively overrated, and you expect us to believe you? Good luck.

[Trollsmasher]

LeBron had higher %EFG on shots from over 10 feet from the basket this season than your "superior scorers and shooters" like Kobe, Durant or Melo.

I think he is all right.

[pauk]

where are the up & unders

Post? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HuVnSUDemA
Drive? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLbKv4M326c


spins

example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV2i_Pq0vTU


half spins

example?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roVw7Qqu1hs


and ball fakes?

example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itBxEt3nxPs


where are the fundamentals?

Literally everywhere, resulting in MVPs & Championships/FMVPs etc.... anything more specific you would want to see?


what exactly is so impressive about his offensive game?

Everything i guess.... maybe not FTs...



Had fun? Glad i could oblige you seeing Lebron do something for the first time in your life...

[I<3NBA]

what exactly is so impressive about his offensive game?
the fact that he can put up points at such an efficient clip despite being the total focus of opponent defenses.

[Unbiased_one]

what exactly can lebron do besides bully his way to the basket, shoot threes and use his size and speed to his advantage? what skill sets does he actually possess? what second, third and fourth options does he have when driving to the basket besides passing the ball? where are the up & unders, spins, half spins and ball fakes? where are the fundamentals? what exactly is so impressive about his offensive game?

What skills did shaq have?

[DaSeba5]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[BoutPractice]

LeBron has more offensive skills than Shaq, who's arguably the greatest scorer of all time, a player who literally couldn't be stopped at his peak. This game isn't about looking pretty. Aesthetics are subjective anyway.

[PickernRoller]

LeBron has more offensive skills than Shaq, who's arguably the greatest scorer of all time, a player who literally couldn't be stopped at his peak. This game isn't about looking pretty. Aesthetics are subjective anyway.

How is dropping 81 with style subjective?

or Jordan dropping 69?

[BoutPractice]

Was I talking about Kobe? Or Jordan? So why are you bringing them up?

[PickernRoller]

Was I talking about Kobe? Or Jordan? So why are you bringing them up?

"Aesthetics are subjective anyway"

Two examples where it's not.

[mugiwara]

ambidextrous.

[Magic 32]

His footwork is awful and when he slows down (can't happen soon enough) he won't be able to create space for his overrated and awkward jumper.

He's going to look like he did against the Spurs (the first 6 games).

[Inactive]

"Aesthetics are subjective anyway"

Two examples where it's not.Scoring 69, or 81 points is not subjective, but the degree to which they did it "with style" (the only relevant part of your example) is entirely subjective.

[Hoopz2332]

what exactly can lebron do besides bully his way to the basket, shoot threes and use his size and speed to his advantage? what skill sets does he actually possess? what second, third and fourth options does he have when driving to the basket besides passing the ball? where are the up & unders, spins, half spins and ball fakes? where are the fundamentals? what exactly is so impressive about his offensive game?


Seriously, do people actually watch lebron or what? To hear some of yall you would think lebron plays like Shaq but on the perimeter:coleman:


Some lebron offense doing many of the things you're asking about

Lebron James 35 points (4 dunks) vs Bucks full highlights (2012.02.13)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpkCofW4gUA


Lebron James 45 points vs Celtics full highlights (2012 NBA Playoffs ECF GM6)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-VzBeOrdAg

LeBron James Full Highlights 2013.03.15 at Bucks - 28 Pts, 10 Rebs, 7 Assists

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ5ftDjuaJc

Lebron Spin Move vs. Timberwolves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP8J4Z0ArNU

LeBron James Spin Move Layup Heat vs Clippers 2_8_13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDYt68G3XkI

[Unbiased_one]

His footwork is awful and when he slows down (can't happen soon enough) he won't be able to create space for his overrated and awkward jumper.

He's going to look like he did against the Spurs (the first 6 games).

I don't really like LeBron, but hating on someone the whole time just cause they're a threat to your idol is really sad

[Soundwave]

His footwork is awful and when he slows down (can't happen soon enough) he won't be able to create space for his overrated and awkward jumper.

He's going to look like he did against the Spurs (the first 6 games).

Yeah he still seems clumsy with the basketball at times. At this stage of his career I don't see it being fixable.

It will be interesting to how age affects his game now that he is headed to age 30.

[nathanjizzle]

Or as well as Rose against Lebron in 4th quarters

or lebron in the finals. it will become less than mediocre and disappear,

you knew that one was coming.

[SilkkTheShocker]

or lebron in the finals. it will become less than mediocre and disappear,

you knew that one was coming.

2 Finals MVPs in two years while Rose is shitting himself on the bench.

[Mr Exlax]

What exactly is overrated about Lebron's offense OP?

[diamenz]

wow op, you're terrible - lebron's offense is underrated imo.

[Mr Exlax]

wow op, you're terrible - lebron's offense is underrated imo.

You are the OP :biggums:

[Frozen1]

Lebron FG% dropped from 56% in the regular season to 45% in the nba finals. Even if 45% is not that bad, 11% is a huge drop off.

So his high efficiency is padded because his game is built for regular season domination.

This video is one of the examples of his lack of moves:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgAbo6IJB_A

Last minute of an elimination game in the nba finals, you have a clear fast break, and instead of trying to do a fake (aka Wade) or behind the back or anything, you just run into your defender hoping for a foul being called and lose the ball. You can give the credit to danny green for the good defensive play, but lebron had no business in not scoring in this play.

I don

[diamenz]

You are the OP :biggums:

dude you're crazy!

[TheReal Kendall]

All that matters is that he put the ball in the hoop.

He's not that offensively gifted but he gets the job done with a little help from the zebras :lol

[Mr Exlax]

dude you're crazy!

Ummm I'm lost now.

[Mr Exlax]

wow op, you're terrible - lebron's offense is underrated imo.

Wrong account maybe? :biggums:

[Bandito]

wow op, you're terrible - lebron's offense is underrated imo.
Wrong account?:roll:

[Real Men Wear Green]

Has a guy that has averaged 30 ppg in a full season ever had so much doubt cast on his offensive game?

[diamenz]

i obviously failed with this thread, i'm just laughing at myself. i was honestly just trolling lebron stans. :D

[Mr Exlax]

i obviously failed with this thread, i'm just laughing at myself. i was honestly just trolling lebron stans. :D

:coleman: Wrong account and you got called out for it I think.

[diamenz]

:coleman: Wrong account and you got called out for it I think.

give me a break - i'm not that into this forum to have an alternate account.

[LikeABosh]

27 Ppg on near 57% shooting, 40% from three, well above average midrange shooter, GOAT level athleticism and court vision, elite ball handler.

[tmacattack33]

what exactly can lebron do besides bully his way to the basket, shoot threes and use his size and speed to his advantage? what skill sets does he actually possess? what second, third and fourth options does he have when driving to the basket besides passing the ball? where are the up & unders, spins, half spins and ball fakes? where are the fundamentals? what exactly is so impressive about his offensive game?

He's 6'8 and doesn't need to do crazy Allen Iverson style up-and-under layups to get the ball over a 6'11 center.

That should be a good thing, not a bad thing.

[inclinerator]

well he can pretty much get a shot off anytime

[Greg Oden 50]

he will be mitch richmond if he plays in 90s :roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Let me get this straight, you think that LeBron James, a career 27 PPG scorer, someone who just shot 56.5% from the field and 40% from three this past season, someone who now has a consistent postgame, someone who is one of the best passers in the league, is offensively overrated, and you expect us to believe you? Good luck.
Someone has been watching TDK ...

:oldlol:

[Hoopz2332]

he will be mitch richmond if he plays in 90s :roll:


Mitch is more like Paul Pierce than lebron:wtf: A lesser version but not really all that similar to lebron of the 90's would be Grant Hill.

[TheFan]

He is a great offensive player... maybe his only fault is that he cares a lot about he FG% so he will pass on shots to keep it high, otherwise he is one of the best offensive players in the league.