NY Excited For Bargnani

[n00bie]

[QUOTE]In Woodson

[loganwadams]

:facepalm :lol

[disel]

They were excited for a crippled tmac and a one hit wonder lin to.

[Bandito]

That is so sad. Is like a little kid expecting that toy in Christmas but end up getting socks...

[disel]

They'll get full of suckiness allright.Raptors payback for fields.

[Real Men Wear Green]

They were excited for a crippled tmac and a one hit wonder lin to.
If Bargnani does half what Lin did for them they should celebrate.

[disel]

If Bargnani does half what Lin did for them they should celebrate.
Two weeks of fluke

[Nastradamus]

By far the worst move of the offseason. If only they had Lin and NOvak instead of Felton and Bargs they'd be so much better.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Two weeks of fluke
And a lot of profit. Lin at least made NY money and got people excited about the Knicks. Bargs is three sub-4 rebound games away from merciless booing.

And even if we ignore money/fans and just focus on winning I'd take an average pg (Lin) over a big man that doesn't rebound or defend. His greatest strength is shooting and the last few seasons he wasn't even that good at it. He's become Mark Blount.

[shallehalle]

They'll get full of suckiness allright.Raptors payback for fields.
still can't believe Fields got paid that much :facepalm

[n00bie]

seriously, WTF is NY thinking? I almost feel bad for Carmelo.

I honestly think ISH can manage this team better. :facepalm

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE]In Woodson

[Lebowsky]

Just wait till he has a fluke 35+ pt game out of the blue and watch everyone go nuts.

[Peteballa]

And a lot of profit. Lin at least made NY money and got people excited about the Knicks. Bargs is three sub-4 rebound games away from merciless booing.

And even if we ignore money/fans and just focus on winning I'd take an average pg (Lin) over a big man that doesn't rebound or defend. His greatest strength is shooting and the last few seasons he wasn't even that good at it. He's become Mark Blount.

That's a great comparison. Never thought of it that way. Heat legend Mark Blount :bowdown:

[Optimus Prime]

NY is not exactly known for it's intelligence. Bargs is so awesome that he was about to be amnestied until the Knicks saved the day.:oldlol:

:kobe:

[knickballer]

By far the worst move of the offseason. If only they had Lin and NOvak instead of Felton and Bargs they'd be so much better.

lol, overreact much? I'd think Milwuakee handing out big contracts to mediocre players were the worst moves but that's just me :confusedshrug:

Knicks gave up two bad contracts in Novak and Camby who both were non factors for the Knicks(more so Camby) to get Bargs. I know you might add the, "But they gave up 3 draft picks!" argument but I'd bet the house that those two later second rounders weren't going to make the squad anyways..

Essentially we gave up a late first round pick for Bargs. Atleast we get a player who may end up being a key player for us compared to Novak and Camby who were non factors.

I also understand Bargs has his flaws as a player but he gets way too much attention here. Next to a defensive rebounding big in Chandler and a superstar in Melo I think he'll be fine.

[bagelred]

lol, overreact much? I'd think Milwuakee handing out big contracts to mediocre players were the worst moves but that's just me :confusedshrug:

Knicks gave up two bad contracts in Novak and Camby who both were non factors for the Knicks(more so Camby) to get Bargs. I know you might add the, "But they gave up 3 draft picks!" argument but I'd bet the house that those two later second rounders weren't going to make the squad anyways..

Essentially we gave up a late first round pick for Bargs. Atleast we get a player who may end up being a key player for us compared to Novak and Camby who were non factors.

I also understand Bargs has his flaws as a player but he gets way too much attention here. Next to a defensive rebounding big in Chandler and a superstar in Melo I think he'll be fine.

Well said...I would add these points:

- If Knicks don't trade for Bargnani and he's amnestied, Knicks CANNOT get him. Bargs almost certainly would get an offer from an under the cap team. So for Knicks it was either make a trade or don't get him at all.

- 2nd round picks for the Knicks are worthless. Each team gets $3 million a year to spend on trades. If in June, Knicks haven't spent their $3 million, Knicks should buy as many 2nd rounders, current and future, that they can....I bet they could get 2 2nd round picks back with the $3 million.

- I hated giving up a first rounder. But it won't be a high pick. It will the WORSE of the Nuggets or Knicks pick in 2016. Since both teams will probably still be good, it'll probably be a pick in the early 20's. Not a huge deal.

- Toronto did NYK a FAVOR taking Camby and Novak. Although I like Novak, many NYK fans kinda turned on him and Woodson doesn't really trust him. He barely played in playoffs. And Camby is just old and a mess. So Raptors took both guys off our roster and took their salaries. That's a win.

- Trading for Bargnani opened up MORE cap space in 2015 by getting rid of Novak's contract. The only guy 100% definitely on roster as of right now in 2015 is JR Smith. That's it.

- I honestly don't know if Bargnani is going to be a flop here. He might be. But to get a guy who has been the primary scorer on a team? Even a bad one? He averaged 20 and 19 ppg last 2 seasons before last season...how many guys in league have done that?

- So basically the bar is set so low for Bargnani. He doesn't have to carry the team. He isn't relied upon to be a primary piece. It's a good risk......

And if he sucks, he sucks....no big deal.

[wang4three]

Don't they shoot enough 3s?

[longtime lurker]

I'm just going to leave this here. Enjoy Knicks fans :lol

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/tim-sid-they-traded-bargnani/

[knickswin]

I'm no New York apologist, but I don't see how this was a bad move. They didn't give up anything of significant value ... Camby is a nothing, I love Steve but he just hasn't been able to deliver in the playoffs, and the pick is going to be in the 20's ... if he suck, whatever, but I think this move has upside cuz Bargnani has talent and he fits very well.

[3peated]

isnt bargnani trash on defense? stupid, lol.

[Zan Tabak]

this is going to be fun.:oldlol:

[DStebb716]

Mark my words: Andrea Bargnani will thrive in his role with the Knicks. He won't be the first option finally and he'll be able to play his game. He's a guy who can hit the open shot, drive to the hoop and block some shots. Not saying rebounds and defense won't be a problem, but he won't really need that in his role.

I say he averages 15 points, 2 blocks, 4/5 boards

[kaiteng]

I say he averages 15 points, 2 blocks, 4/5 boards
If you means 0.8 RPG then yes. :D

[Crown&Coke]

I wonder what the rotation is going to look like.

Is Bargs going to start at the 3 and Melo at the 4 (positioning on the floor wise?)

Are both Bargs and STAT coming off the bench as the backup 4/5?

I don't hate the deal, because Camby is going to play like 20 games a year at most. And Novak couldn't get off the pine late in the seaon for whatever reason. I am kind of hoping Bargs will ball. Dude needed a change of scenery

[Kiddlovesnets]

:roll:

[Funnyfuka]

hahaha, puting "excited" and "bargnani" in the same sentence. Who in their right mind would do that.

[Burgz V2]

i want the season to start already just to see this experiment fail so hard. SO hard.

[Burgz V2]

I'm just going to leave this here. Enjoy Knicks fans :lol

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/tim-sid-they-traded-bargnani/

was watching this live at home, hilarious, love Tim and Sid :roll:

[el gringos]

I wonder what the rotation is going to look like.

Is Bargs going to start at the 3 and Melo at the 4 (positioning on the floor wise?)

Are both Bargs and STAT coming off the bench as the backup 4/5?

I don't hate the deal, because Camby is going to play like 20 games a year at most. And Novak couldn't get off the pine late in the seaon for whatever reason. I am kind of hoping Bargs will ball. Dude needed a change of scenery
So your basketball knowledge is as low as not understanding positions are defensive.

But at the same time you do see that offensively they flip-flop their positions "traditional roles"

So do you see why pairing these 2 unique for their positions talent players will be magic?


Knicks made best move of the offseason

[RoundMoundOfReb]

i want the season to start already just to see this experiment fail so hard. SO hard.
This. Knicks fans need to understand that he is a less valuable offensive player to novak and even worse defensively. He is useless. I was prepared for the raps to amnesty him.

[ClutchOver9000]

This. Knicks fans need to understand that he is a less valuable offensive player to novak and even worse defensively. He is useless. I was prepared for the raps to amnesty him.

I'm not high on Bargs by any means but I'm sorry, as bad as he may be, he's an upgrade over Novak. Stop w/ the nonsense...

[DStebb716]

was watching this live at home, hilarious, love Tim and Sid :roll:

Lmao these two are TERRIBLE at their job. That stupid shit was terribly staged.
And I like how the other guy talks about Novak and Camby like they're anything.

Also, I'm glad they have immense basketball knowledge. Since when does "expiring contract" mean "deals that don't end after this season?"

[DStebb716]

This. Knicks fans need to understand that he is a less valuable offensive player to novak and even worse defensively. He is useless. I was prepared for the raps to amnesty him.

You clearly know nothing about Steve Novak. It's one on four when he's on the floor. At least Bargs can block a few shots here and there.

Also, Bargs can hit open shots like Novak can. Novak can't hit anything with a hand in his face which he'll have a lot of in Toronto.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I'm not high on Bargs by any means but I'm sorry, as bad as he may be, he's an upgrade over Novak. Stop w/ the nonsense...
no he isn't. I ve watched him his whole career and have seen novak play 50-60 games. novak provides better spacing and is similar on D.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

You clearly know nothing about Steve Novak. It's one on four when he's on the floor. At least Bargs can block a few shots here and there.

Also, Bargs can hit open shots like Novak can. Novak can't hit anything with a hand in his face which he'll have a lot of in Toronto.
he cant at the same efficiency

[el gringos]

he cant at the same efficiency
You are bolding the wrong half the paragraph. Shows you do t know shit and aren't worth him going back and forth with

You've only seen Bargnani asked to be primary. Never seen him asked to be secondary

[Blue&Orange]

Novak can't shoot of the dribble, can't shoot of screens, can't pump fake, he is a spot up shooter that can only score in garbage time, his defense is ridiculously bad, he rebounds worse than Bargs.

How big of a retarded redneck are you to try to sell the notion of Novak being better or that "fits" better or that gives better "spacing"? Bargs is 10x the player Novak is.

The retarded rednecks on this board made fun of Knicks signing Felton too, pretty similar, since his last two years were pretty bad also.


Ratptors fans don't like Bargs? What an incredible basketball assessment. They didn't like Bosh either, Lakers fans don't like Howard, i guess both players also suck.

Bargs had two years of nagging injuries that killed his rhythm, while playing for shitty coaches, shitty GM, and to stupid fans that thought he should play like Michael Jordan, oh yeah i'm pretty sure he wanted to be there and he gave his best :roll:


Raptors fans thanks for making the Knicks better with a bargain deal, thanks for clearing Knicks cap space, have fun with two of the worst contracts in the NBA Fields+Novak , and don't worry about Bargs, here he will be fighting with Jr for shots.


Good luck with the lottery, you really, really need it.

[uber]

Novak can't shoot of the dribble, can't shoot of screens, can't pump fake, he is a spot up shooter that can only score in garbage time, his defense is ridiculously bad, he rebounds worse than Bargs.

How big of a retarded redneck are you to try to sell the notion of Novak being better or that "fits" better or that gives better "spacing"? Bargs is 10x the player Novak is.

The retarded rednecks on this board made fun of Knicks signing Felton too, pretty similar, since his last two years were pretty bad also.


Ratptors fans don't like Bargs? What an incredible basketball assessment. They didn't like Bosh either, Lakers fans don't like Howard, i guess both players also suck.

Bargs had two years of nagging injuries that killed his rhythm, while playing for shitty coaches, shitty GM, and to stupid fans that thought he should play like Michael Jordan, oh yeah i'm pretty sure he wanted to be there and he gave his best :roll:


Raptors fans thanks for making the Knicks better with a bargain deal, thanks for clearing Knicks cap space, have fun with two of the worst contracts in the NBA Fields+Novak , and don't worry about Bargs, here he will be fighting with Jr for shots.


Good luck with the lottery, you really, really need it.

/thread

[It's A VC3!!!]

Are they really "excited" to have him? The Knicks just become more laughable by the day. Can't wait until nets and Knicks face off though.:cheers:
Both teams will be better next year. NY should have plenty to be excited about.

[SpurrDurr]

I'd take Bargs contract over Novak and Camby's ones any given day, even if it cost a late round 1 pick.

Btw Novak contract even last longer than Bargnani's one. Oh, and Toronto will be paying a 41 years old 4.2 m in 2014/2015.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I know the Knicks didn't have a lot of flexibility. But did they really need to give up picks?

[Bandito]

Are they really "excited" to have him? The Knicks just become more laughable by the day. Can't wait until nets and Knicks face off though.:cheers:
Both teams will be better next year. NY should have plenty to be excited about.
i am waiting the day the Nets experiment fails and you come back to be the same butthurt fan again whining and spamming the board as you were last season.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Novak can't shoot of the dribble, can't shoot of screens, can't pump fake, he is a spot up shooter that can only score in garbage time, his defense is ridiculously bad, he rebounds worse than Bargs.

How big of a retarded redneck are you to try to sell the notion of Novak being better or that "fits" better or that gives better "spacing"? Bargs is 10x the player Novak is.

The retarded rednecks on this board made fun of Knicks signing Felton too, pretty similar, since his last two years were pretty bad also.


Ratptors fans don't like Bargs? What an incredible basketball assessment. They didn't like Bosh either, Lakers fans don't like Howard, i guess both players also suck.

Bargs had two years of nagging injuries that killed his rhythm, while playing for shitty coaches, shitty GM, and to stupid fans that thought he should play like Michael Jordan, oh yeah i'm pretty sure he wanted to be there and he gave his best :roll:


Raptors fans thanks for making the Knicks better with a bargain deal, thanks for clearing Knicks cap space, have fun with two of the worst contracts in the NBA Fields+Novak , and don't worry about Bargs, here he will be fighting with Jr for shots.


Good luck with the lottery, you really, really need it.

1. Im not saying novak is a good basketball player but he's better than bargnani

2. i liked the felton signing

3. I liked bosh. he's actually a good player.

4. Have fun with your first round exit.

[uber]

1. Im not saying novak is a good basketball player but he's better than bargnani


:biggums:


4. Have fun with your first round exit.

Really? This coming from a Raptors Fan? Really?

[uber]

i am waiting the day the Nets experiment fails and you come back to be the same butthurt fan again whining and spamming the board as you were last season.

the poor sister ..

[Done_And_Done]

Novak can't shoot of the dribble, can't shoot of screens, can't pump fake, he is a spot up shooter that can only score in garbage time, his defense is ridiculously bad, he rebounds worse than Bargs.

How big of a retarded redneck are you to try to sell the notion of Novak being better or that "fits" better or that gives better "spacing"? Bargs is 10x the player Novak is.

The retarded rednecks on this board made fun of Knicks signing Felton too, pretty similar, since his last two years were pretty bad also.


Ratptors fans don't like Bargs? What an incredible basketball assessment. They didn't like Bosh either, Lakers fans don't like Howard, i guess both players also suck.

Bargs had two years of nagging injuries that killed his rhythm, while playing for shitty coaches, shitty GM, and to stupid fans that thought he should play like Michael Jordan, oh yeah i'm pretty sure he wanted to be there and he gave his best :roll:


Raptors fans thanks for making the Knicks better with a bargain deal, thanks for clearing Knicks cap space, have fun with two of the worst contracts in the NBA Fields+Novak , and don't worry about Bargs, here he will be fighting with Jr for shots.


Good luck with the lottery, you really, really need it.

You're clearly voicing an opinion from the vantage point of one who hasn't endured the ever so painful lows and incessant aggravations that Bargnani casted upon Raptors fans abroad for years. It's no mere coincidence or follow the pack trend that has the majority of our fan base rejoicing his newfound absence like they just quadrupled their life savings on a Vegas jackpot. The dude has enough holes in his game along with a not give a f*uck demeanor to drive even the most causal of fans to the brink of Bruce Lee'ing their tele screen. Hence the collective elation of having wheeled in multiple Draft picks in this trade...

On that note, the guy is still a high end talent (though likely to never live up to it) and is far and above a much better basketball player than Novak. Let's not get carried away here...

Done
&
Done

[jzek]

Nets just got PP/KG/Terry/AK47/etc. and the Knicks' top offseason move is a dude named Andrea. :oldlol:

[red1]

I'm just going to leave this here. Enjoy Knicks fans :lol

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/tim-sid-they-traded-bargnani/
messiah ujiri :roll:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:biggums:



Really? This coming from a Raptors Fan? Really?




Good luck with the lottery, you really, really need it.

Really? This coming from a Knicks Fan? Really?

[longtime lurker]

messiah ujiri :roll:

Congratulations Melo you've found your Scottie Pippen :roll:

"The Knicks don't know, they just don't know....."

[bluechox2]

melo doesnt know hes gotta take a step back so we can showcase the great andrea :lol

[bagelred]

melo doesnt know hes gotta take a step back so we can showcase the great andrea :lol

It's great that Bargnani FINALLY has a true 2nd option in Melo. Bargs didn't have that in Toronto. I think Melo can fill that role.

[Burgz V2]

You clearly know nothing about Steve Novak. It's one on four when he's on the floor. At least Bargs can block a few shots here and there.

Also, Bargs can hit open shots like Novak can. Novak can't hit anything with a hand in his face which he'll have a lot of in Toronto.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[kaiteng]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Well, he actually did.

[knickswin]

Steve Novak I think might in some ways be the best shooter I have ever seen, but it became evident this season that his weaknesses weren't letting him contribute to this team. He's very, very slow and has absolutely no ability to put the ball on the floor, so as long as players make sure to close out on him fast he's not very effective. He's also not that tall: he's listed as 6'10 but I think he's really closer to 6'8 which means he can easily be covered by a small forward.

Saying that he's better than Bargnani is just ridiculous to me. Bargnani is at least 7 feet tall and is a much more well rounded offensive player. He can actually get by his defender and has an isolation game.

I'm usually disdainful toward the Knicks' management, but I don't understand why this move is universally being panned. Knicks gave up a modest package to get a guy who in the best case scenario could be very good for them. If it doesn't work out, oh well, they didn't give up much and Bargnani's off the books in 2 years anyway.

[Optimus Prime]

The Amazing Andrea Bargnani is so fantastic that Toronto was ready to amnesty him until the Knicks swooped in to save the day. Nevermind the fact that Bargs totally doesn't fit this team who already wants to play Melo Amare and Chandler big minutes. :kobe:

[knickswin]

amar'e is a nonfactor at this point. inevitably, he will spend most of the season injured and "getting back into shape." if healthy, bargnani will most likely be the main power forward.

[bagelred]

The Amazing Andrea Bargnani is so fantastic that Toronto was ready to amnesty him until the Knicks swooped in to save the day. Nevermind the fact that Bargs totally doesn't fit this team who already wants to play Melo Amare and Chandler big minutes. :kobe:

Well Toronto SHOULD have amnestied him. Instead they took on some not so great contracts. Wouldn't cap space be better?

So THE ONLY WAY Knicks get Bargnani is by trade. If he's amnestied, Knicks can't make an offer and another team gets him on the cheap. So Knicks had to give up SOMETHING to convince Raptors not to amnesty him. Make sense now????

[Optimus Prime]

Well Toronto SHOULD have amnestied him. Instead they took on some not so great contracts. Wouldn't cap space be better?

So THE ONLY WAY Knicks get Bargnani is by trade. If he's amnestied, Knicks can't make an offer and another team gets him on the cheap. So Knicks had to give up SOMETHING to convince Raptors not to amnesty him. Make sense now????

Sorry I forgot. Bargs = MVP...Knicks 73-9 this year...Fo fo fo fo on their way to the chip.

Am I doing it right Knicks fans?

:kobe:

PS - Bargs is terrible ask any Toronto fan and as a bonus he totally doesn't fit with the Knicks personnel. And the Knicks actually gave up assets for this :bowdown:

[Trentknicks]

Sorry I forgot. Bargs = MVP...Knicks 73-9 this year...Fo fo fo fo on their way to the chip.

Am I doing it right Knicks fans?

:kobe:

PS - Bargs is terrible ask any Toronto fan and as a bonus he totally doesn't fit with the Knicks personnel. And the Knicks actually gave up assets for this :bowdown:
The Knicks had a lack of inside scoring and needed someone to play next to Melo who could hit the open shot, which part of that can't Bargs do?

[bluechox2]

Sorry I forgot. Bargs = MVP...Knicks 73-9 this year...Fo fo fo fo on their way to the chip.

Am I doing it right Knicks fans?

:kobe:

PS - Bargs is terrible ask any Toronto fan and as a bonus he totally doesn't fit with the Knicks personnel. And the Knicks actually gave up assets for this :bowdown:
we know bargs was terrible, cus that raptors team was terrible also, they were on his nuts looking for a #1 option, we only need a number 3 or 4 option in him, fill in novaks role of spacing from the power foward or center position and grab 3 times as much rebounds novak did which is on par with his average, if he can get more, great. could the knicks pick him up off an amnesty...no, can the knicks get other players for novak and camby...probably, but would have been at the end of the bench
we get a guy who has proven he can score 20 points any night but do not require him to and is skilled enough to get minutes from woodson

and no one said knicks are winning anything, its all the trolls saying it

[RRR3]

Bargnani averaged 3.7 rebounds in 28.7 MPG last year, he's not much better than Novak at rebounding

[DStebb716]

Bargnani averaged 3.7 rebounds in 28.7 MPG last year, he's not much better than Novak at rebounding

And if he plays a role similar to Novak, it'll be the exact same situation: he doesn't NEED to rebound. Of course, it's best if everybody on the floor is rebounding. But he'll spend most of his time on the perimeter which isn't where you get rebounds from.

[RRR3]

And if he plays a role similar to Novak, it'll be the exact same situation: he doesn't NEED to rebound. Of course, it's best if everybody on the floor is rebounding. But he'll spend most of his time on the perimeter which isn't where you get rebounds from.
He's 7 feet though, I just can't stand seeing a 7 footer that bad at rebounding, it's just wrong somehow.

[Done_And_Done]

He's 7 feet though, I just can't stand seeing a 7 footer that bad at rebounding, it's just wrong somehow.

Raptors fans have been scratching their heads at this anomaly for years my dude...

[Legends66NBA7]

I hope Bargnani does play well and he can finally stay healthy in New York. I think I'm the only Raps fan rooting for him to just have 1 damn good year. Onwards to this crap:



Novak can't shoot of the dribble, can't shoot of screens, can't pump fake, he is a spot up shooter that can only score in garbage time, his defense is ridiculously bad, he rebounds worse than Bargs.

How big of a retarded redneck are you to try to sell the notion of Novak being better or that "fits" better or that gives better "spacing"? Bargs is 10x the player Novak is.

The poster who said that was probably trolling. Couldn't even care less if Novak didn't even play in Toronto.


Ratptors fans don't like Bargs? What an incredible basketball assessment. They didn't like Bosh either, Lakers fans don't like Howard, i guess both players also suck.

Bosh is better than Bargnani. He'll actually try on defense and is better on offense to when he's the first option. Raptor fans didn't like him because he also played soft and got bullied by bigger/more intense players. I personally didn't like him because I questioned how much he wanted to stay in Toronto and how good he could be as the leader, plus is off-court bullshit/fake personality kinda rubbed me the wrong way too.

:oldlol: @ the comparison to Howard. Dude had one injury season compared to Bargs multiple injury seasons and was still better than Bargs ever was.


to stupid fans that thought he should play like Michael Jordan


Name one fan who thought he should play like Michael Jordan.


don't worry about Bargs, here he will be fighting with Jr for shots.

Yes, I'm sure he'll be fighting for shots when Smith and Anthony take the majority of them. :confusedshrug:


He's 7 feet though, I just can't stand seeing a 7 footer that bad at rebounding, it's just wrong somehow.

Rebounding is about "how badly do you want it ?"... aka effort, proper position, etc... Bargs doesn't have to do that for this team. Just score, spot up, and so on. It's too late to change the mold of a player going into his 8th season. Being 7 foot doesn't guarantee 10 rebounds a game.

[LilEddyCurry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtgKERIBIQw
:bowdown:

[bdreason]

Knicks should have known when Phoenix let Amare walk that something was wrong. This cat is making 21m per to be an average reserve off the bench? :confusedshrug:

And Bargnani is garbage, I'm sorry. I actually backed him the past few years (even drafted him on my fantasy teams!), and his game has steadily regressed. He is the definition of soft, and can literally cost you games because of his poor rebounding. Now, either because of injury or confidence, he's lost his only redeemable trait; his ability to shoot.

I literally watched him single handedly lose multiple games for the Raptors last year. I'm talking no defense, no rebounding, no heart, shooting 4/14 and chucking his team out of the game with no regard. When he went down with the elbow injury, the Raps plugged a rookie PF into the game and instantly became much better. I think they won like 10 games in a row. :oldlol:

[Real Men Wear Green]

And if he plays a role similar to Novak, it'll be the exact same situation: he doesn't NEED to rebound. Of course, it's best if everybody on the floor is rebounding. But he'll spend most of his time on the perimeter which isn't where you get rebounds from.
Even on defense? If he is your 4 or 5 and isn't competing for loose balls under the basket it's a disadvantage.

[bagelred]

Knicks should have known when Phoenix let Amare walk that something was wrong. This cat is making 21m per to be an average reserve off the bench? :confusedshrug:



Knicks knew it was a risk to sign Amar'e for 5 years, but a risk they had to take. If they don't get Amar'e, Melo doesn't come here. No Ama're and Melo, and Chandler doesn't come here...etc.

So it was a necessary evil, but Ama're will still produce this year in limited minutes....so it's not about money for Dolan but tougher to make moves.

[niko]

It gets rid of all the salary in the year Amare comes off the books. They are basically betting on him out of Toronto coming through on some of that potential, especially with Woodsons green light on offense. Not buying thatunless i see it. The cap space, that helps though.

[niko]

You'd be delusional if you believe a nets fan would expect anything positive from a knicks fan anyway. You can say whatever, wont change the fact that the Knicks are a shitty franchise and their fanbase is mostly a troll group.
:rolleyes:
Again, you spent the entire playoffs including the time the NEts were still around ROOTING FOR THE SPURS and arguing with anyone who was anti spur. Not anti Net, that was ok. You posted NO Net threads, never talked about the Net games, but tons of Spurs threads. The only Net posting you did was when i called you out and you posted some bullshit ten seconds after how your heart was breaking the Nets lost. The next day, Spurs threads again. Kidd hired, Spurs threads.

Yes, some Knick fans are delusional but at least they are Knick fans. Youre a Spurs fan who hedges with the Nets. Be real.

[WhySoInsecure?]

Knicks should have known when Phoenix let Amare walk that something was wrong. This cat is making 21m per to be an average reserve off the bench? :confusedshrug:
Amare was an unrestricted free agent so they really had no option.
At the time the suns were also giving everything away. They had a great team and ended up letting everyone walk just to save some money.



And Bargnani is garbage, I'm sorry. I actually backed him the past few years (even drafted him on my fantasy teams!), and his game has steadily regressed. He is the definition of soft, and can literally cost you games because of his poor rebounding. Now, either because of injury or confidence, he's lost his only redeemable trait; his ability to shoot.

I literally watched him single handedly lose multiple games for the Raptors last year. I'm talking no defense, no rebounding, no heart, shooting 4/14 and chucking his team out of the game with no regard. When he went down with the elbow injury, the Raps plugged a rookie PF into the game and instantly became much better. I think they won like 10 games in a row. :oldlol:
He might have been awful as the savior of a shitty raps team, but the Knicks gave up two bad contracts for him and don't expect him to be anything more than a role player (most likely coming off the bench). There really won't be any pressure on him and nobody expects him to carry the team. He'll get to come in and put up a few shots, if he gets hot once in a while then it's great and if he doesn't then it really won't be a problem.

We pretty much get to replace Novak with a guy that can actually play the 4, which will allow Melo to play the 3 and still work in the post.

[pnyozzzoo]

Knicks knew it was a risk to sign Amar'e for 5 years, but a risk they had to take. If they don't get Amar'e, Melo doesn't come here. No Ama're and Melo, and Chandler doesn't come here...etc.

So it was a necessary evil, but Ama're will still produce this year in limited minutes....so it's not about money for Dolan but tougher to make moves.

That's some Bull or your delusional, Suns give up on Amare coz they know he is over the top. NY gave him an uninsured 100 mill contract coz he was the only "big name" they could get by money only. (hope to get Lebron sweepstake later which they failed)

Melo ditched Denver coz he and his wife wanted to be in a big city with bright light. If melo was serious about winning and only winning. NY is a terrible choice at that time.(or all time recent history)

Same as Tyson. Cuban only wanted to give him a 1 year contract. NY willing to give him multi year big contract. So he went for the money. He just came off a championship team. With the whole league knows Miami s gonna own the future then. He chose NY coz of Amare and Melo? that ill constructed team with no real winners. It's all about money. Dun kid your self thinking Amare , melo, Tyson go to NY because at any point they think thats the place gives them the best chance or a good chance or even a fair chance to win.

Its all about money, fame , bright light. Unless your a top 10 player can get money from else where. most nba player should go for the money, if you can there is nothing wrong with it.

[madmax]

it's good that Knicks are excited about this unique exceptional player:applause: His 7 foot strong frame and amazing shooting touch should bring even more lethal scoring options for NY team. Best of luck to Punani and may he finally fulfill his potential:pimp:

[bagelred]

That's some Bull or your delusional, Suns give up on Amare coz they know he is over the top. NY gave him an uninsured 100 mill contract coz he was the only "big name" they could get by money only. (hope to get Lebron sweepstake later which they failed)

Melo ditched Denver coz he and his wife wanted to be in a big city with bright light. If melo was serious about winning and only winning. NY is a terrible choice at that time.(or all time recent history)

Same as Tyson. Cuban only wanted to give him a 1 year contract. NY willing to give him multi year big contract. So he went for the money. He just came off a championship team. With the whole league knows Miami s gonna own the future then. He chose NY coz of Amare and Melo? that ill constructed team with no real winners. It's all about money. Dun kid your self thinking Amare , melo, Tyson go to NY because at any point they think thats the place gives them the best chance or a good chance or even a fair chance to win.

Its all about money, fame , bright light. Unless your a top 10 player can get money from else where. most nba player should go for the money, if you can there is nothing wrong with it.

Everything I said was accurate. I don't believe Melo forces way to Knicks unless they have Amar'e. And Tyson was absolutely ready to "get paid" by GSW until NYK showed interest, and then he switched gears and came to NYC. It wasn't about "fame", it was about who they can play with.....and still getting paid of course.

I win.... as usual.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Knicks knew it was a risk to sign Amar'e for 5 years, but a risk they had to take. If they don't get Amar'e, Melo doesn't come here. No Ama're and Melo, and Chandler doesn't come here...etc.

So it was a necessary evil, but Ama're will still produce this year in limited minutes....so it's not about money for Dolan but tougher to make moves.

Don't spin this around. Amare got max money from NY, because they had been going absolutely no where for the last several years. They were absolutely 100% desperate for something close to a franchise player. As for Melo, wanted to get paid, but didn't want to spend long-term in Denver. He wanted a big market, and part of that was his wife pushing him to NYC. Chandler would have played with Charlotte if they offered him the same money. Players sign with the Knicks for the money or lifestyle. No one is signing there because they think they will win titles. The truth is, the Knicks front office is still terrible ran. The Barganani trade was terrible no matter how ward you keep trying to polish it. I don't care how bad that 1st round pick is supposed to be. Trading assets for an amnesty candidate is absolutely retarded. Knicks fans should be studied for being the biggest collection of Stockholm Syndrome patients know to man. You eat up whatever shitty moves your front office makes.

[T-Low]

Don't rely on Bargnani to much. In the past 2 years, he has been injury prone, he would never hit the paint, he would wait near the 3 (reasoning for the lack of rebounds), his slashing was a rarity, a very selfish player, was not a great clutch player by any means, etc. I still think he has some in the tank though. But as to how much? No idea. I see him scoring around 8 PPG this season. With STAT, Carmelo and JR, there isn't a whole lot to go around.

[Fresh Kid]

Great trade for knicks, camby is ancient and done, and Novak is not the same barely dribbles having a hard disastrous time getting out trap plays.

[imdaman99]

bargnani has hit rock bottom. he can only go up. i wasnt too excited about the trade knowing they gave up a 1st round pick. but i hope they make the best of it. if bargnani can average anywhere close to 15, he'd be an upgrade over JR. i am too tired of JR's shenanigans.