Clinching Game Stats for MJ, Kobe, LeBron... [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

WayOfWade

07-13-2013, 10:58 PM

Michael Jordan Clinching Game Averages:
34.1 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 5.7 APG, 2.0 SPG, .9 BPG, 3.1 TOPG, 48.5 FG%, 31.1 3P%, 82.0 FT%

LeBron James Clinching Game Averages:
28.5 PPG, 9.0 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, .9 BPG, 3.2 TOPG, 45.9 FG%, 31.1 3P%, 79.9 FT%

Kobe Bryant Clinching Game Averages:
25.9 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 4.9 APG, 1.4 SPG, .9 BPG, 2.7 TOPG, 45.3 FG%, 39.0 3P%, 79.6 FT%

Dwyane Wade Clinching Game Averages:
24.3 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 4.8 APG, 1.8 SPG, 1.3 BPG, 3.7 TOPG, 48.7 FG%, 26.7 3P%, 76.0 FT%

Carmelo Anthony Clinching Game Averages:
30.7 PPG, 7.2 RPG, 3.0 APG, 2.2 SPG, .2 BPG, 2.5 TOPG, 41.8 FG%, 24.2 3P%, 88.0 FT%

Players Winning %'s
Jordan: .714
James: .731
Bryant: .673
Wade: .708
Anthony: .500

Clinching Games are games where if you win, your team advances/wins the Finals.
If you'd like to compare these games to their Elimination Game Stats or their Game 7 stats (for all but Melo), here are the links:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305065
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305091

If you see any problems please notify me so that I can fix them.

All stats are per Basketball Reference.

*Edit:
(the site wouldn't allow me to post all the players games, so I'm putting them as replies)

WayOfWade

07-13-2013, 10:59 PM

Michael Jordan Clinching Game Stats: 30 Wins, 12 Losses
88’ G4 vs. CLE – 44 PTS, 5 RBS, 4 AST, 4 STL, 2 BLK, 4 TOV, 18/25 FG, 0/0 3P, 8/9 FT LOSS
88’ G5 vs. CLE – 39 PTS, 4 RBS, 6 AST, 2 STL, 2 BLK, 7 TOV, 12/22 FG, 0/0 3P, 15/18 FT WIN
89’ G4 vs. CLE – 50 PTS, 3 RBS, 4 AST, 3 STL, 0 BLK, 1 TOV, 14/28 FG, 0/1 3P, 22/27 FT LOSS
89’ G5 vs. CLE – 44 PTS, 9 RBS, 6 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 17/32 FG, 1/1 3P, 9/13 FT WIN
89’ G5 vs. NYK – 38 PTS, 8 RBS, 10 AST, 5 STL, 1 BLK, 3 TOV, 13/30 FG, 1/3 3P, 11/15 FT LOSS
89’ G6 vs. NYK – 40 PTS, 5 RBS, 10 AST, 0 STL, 4 BLK, 6 TOV, 14/22 FG, 1/3 3P, 11/12 FT WIN
90’ G3 vs. MIL – 48 PTS, 9 RBS, 5 AST, 1 STL, 2 BLK, 5 TOV, 20/35 FG, 1/5 3P, 7/9 FT LOSS
90’ G4 vs. MIL – 25 PTS, 6 RBS, 5 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 1 TOV, 8/19 FG, 0/0 3P, 9/13 FT WIN
90’ G5 vs. PHI – 37 PTS, 9 RBS, 8 AST, 6 STL, 1 BLK, 4 TOV, 17/26 FG, 1/3 3P, 2/4 FT WIN
90’ G7 vs. DET – 31 PTS, 8 RBS, 9 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 4 TOV, 13/27 FG, 0/2 3P, 5/5 FT LOSS
91’ G3 vs. NYK – 33 PTS, 3 RBS, 7 AST, 6 STL, 1 BLK, 1 TOV, 14/28 FG, 0/2 3P, 5/5 FT WIN
91’ G5 vs. PHI – 38 PTS, 19 RBS, 7 AST, 0 STL, 1 BLK, 4 TOV, 14/31 FG, 0/2 3P, 10/11 FT WIN
91’ G4 vs. DET – 29 PTS, 8 RBS, 8 AST, 1 STL, 2 BLK, 2 TOV, 11/17 FG, 1/2 3P, 9/12 FT WIN
91’ G5 vs. LAL – 30 PTS, 4 RBS, 10 AST, 5 STL, 2 BLK, 6 TOV, 12/23 FG, 0/0 3P, 6/8 FT WIN
92’ G3 vs. MIA – 56 PTS, 8 RBS, 5 AST, 0 STL, 2 BLK, 2 TOV, 20/30 FG, 0/0 3P, 16/18 FT WIN
92’ G6 vs. NYK – 21 PTS, 4 RBS, 8 AST, 0 STL, 1 BLK, 7 TOV, 9/25 FG, 1/5 3P, 2/4 FT LOSS
92’ G7 vs. NYK – 42 PTS, 6 RBS, 4 AST, 2 STL, 3 BLK, 5 TOV, 15/29 FG, 0/0 3P, 12/13 FT WIN
92’ G6 vs. CLE – 29 PTS, 8 RBS, 8 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 3 TOV, 10/27 FG, 0/0 3P, 9/9 FT WIN
92’ G6 vs. POR – 33 PTS, 4 RBS, 4 AST, 4 STL, 1 BLK, 4 TOV, 13/24 FG, 2/3 3P, 5/5 FT WIN
93’ G3 vs. ATL – 39 PTS, 7 RBS, 4 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 4 TOV, 16/28 FG, 2/5 3P, 5/5 FT WIN
93’ G4 vs. CLE – 31 PTS, 9 RBS, 6 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 4 TOV, 11/24 FG, 2/2 3P, 7/9 FT WIN
93’ G6 vs. NYK – 25 PTS, 2 RBS, 9 AST, 3 STL, 2 BLK, 1 TOV, 8/24 FG, 1/4 3P, 8/9 FT WIN
93’ G5 vs. PHX – 41 PTS, 7 RBS, 7 AST, 0 STL, 2 BLK, 2 TOV, 16/29 FG, 2/7 3P, 7/10 FT LOSS
93’ G6 vs. PHX – 33 PTS, 8 RBS, 7 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 3 TOV, 13/26 FG, 3/5 3P, 4/6 FT WIN
95’ G4 vs. CHA – 24 PTS, 4 RBS, 5 AST, 3 STL, 1 BLK, 3 TOV, 8/21 FG, 3/5 3P, 5/6 FT WIN
96’ G3 vs. MIA – 26 PTS, 3 RBS, 2 AST, 3 STL, 0 BLK, 0 TOV, 10/23 FG, 3/6 3P, 3/3 FT WIN
96’ G5 vs. NYK – 35 PTS, 2 RBS, 5 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 13/29 FG, 1/3 3P, 8/9 FT WIN
96’ G4 vs. ORL – 45 PTS, 3 RBS, 5 AST, 1 STL, 1 BLK, 4 TOV, 16/23 FG, 3/4 3P, 10/14 FT WIN
96’ G4 vs. SEA – 23 PTS, 3 RBS, 2 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 4 TOV, 6/19 FG, 0/2 3P, 11/13 FT LOSS
96’ G5 vs. SEA – 26 PTS, 4 RBS, 1 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 3 TOV, 11/22 FG, 0/4 3P, 4/5 FT LOSS
96’ G6 vs. SEA – 22 PTS, 9 RBS, 7 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 5 TOV, 5/19 FG, 1/3 3P, 11/12 FT WIN
97’ G3 vs. WAS – 28 PTS, 2 RBS, 6 AST, 0 STL, 1 BLK, 2 TOV, 14/24 FG, 0/5 3P, 0/0 FT WIN
97’ G5 vs. ATL – 24 PTS, 7 RBS, 7 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 9/23 FG, 1/5 3P, 5/5 FT WIN
97’ G4 vs. MIA – 29 PTS, 4 RBS, 8 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 9/35 FG, 0/8 3P, 11/13 FT LOSS
97’ G5 vs. MIA – 28 PTS, 6 RBS, 5 AST, 2 STL, 2 BLK, 4 TOV, 11/31 FG, 1/4 3P, 5/6 FT WIN
97’ G6 vs. UTA – 39 PTS, 11 RBS, 4 AST, 1 STL, 1 BLK, 1 TOV, 15/35 FG, 1/4 3P, 8/10 FT WIN
98’ G3 vs. NJN – 38 PTS, 4 RBS, 3 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 2 TOV, 16/22 FG, 2/2 3P, 4/5 FT WIN
98’ G5 vs. CHA – 33 PTS, 4 RBS, 3 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 0 TOV, 15/29 FG, 0/3 3P, 3/4 FT WIN
98’ G6 vs. IND – 35 PTS, 5 RBS, 2 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 3 TOV, 12/23 FG, 1/4 3P, 10/11 FT LOSS
98’ G7 vs. IND – 28 PTS, 9 RBS, 8 AST, 0 STL, 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 9/25 FG, 0/0 3P, 10/15 FT WIN
98’ G5 vs. UTA – 28 PTS, 4 RBS, 4 AST, 3 STL, 0 BLK, 4 TOV, 9/26 FG, 0/2 3P, 10/11 FT LOSS
98’ G6 vs. UTA – 45 PTS, 1 RBS, 1 AST, 4 STL, 0 BLK, 1 TOV, 15/35 FG, 3/7 3P, 12/15 FT WIN

WayOfWade

07-13-2013, 11:00 PM

LeBron James Clinching Game Stats: 19 Wins, 7 Losses
06’ G6 vs. WAS – 32 PTS, 7 RBS, 7 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 5 TOV, 15/25 FG, 1/6 3P, 1/3 FT WIN
06’ G7 vs. DET – 27 PTS, 8 RBS, 2 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 3 TOV, 11/24 FG, 0/4 3P, 5/8 FT LOSS
07’ G4 vs. WAS – 31 PTS, 11 RBS, 7 AST, 3 STL, 1 BLK, 2 TOV, 8/22 FG, 1/5 3P, 14/17 FT WIN
07’ G5 vs. NJN – 20 PTS, 9 RBS, 5 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 5 TOV, 5/14 FG, 0/2 3P, 10/11 FT LOSS
07’ G6 vs. NJN – 23 PTS, 8 RBS, 8 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 8/20 FG, 1/5 3P, 6/9 FT, WIN
07’ G6 vs. DET – 20 PTS, 14 RBS, 8 AST, 2 STL, 2 BLK, 3 TOV, 3/11 FG, 0/2 3P, 14/19 FT WIN
08’ G5 vs. WAS – 34 PTS, 10 RBS, 7 AST, 1 STL, 2 BLK, 5 TOV, 8/21 FG, 3/9 3P, 15/18 FT LOSS
08’ G6 vs. WAS – 27 PTS, 13 RBS, 13 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 1 TOV, 8/17 FG, 1/2 3P, 10/10 FT WIN
08’ G7 vs. BOS – 45 PTS, 5 RBS, 6 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 14/29 FG, 3/11 3P, 14/19 FT LOSS
09’ G4 vs. DET – 36 PTS, 13 RBS, 8 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 2 TOV, 10/24 FG, 0/3 3P, 16/17 FT WIN
09’ G4 vs. ATL – 27 PTS, 8 RBS, 8 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 3 TOV, 9/22 FG, 3/6 3P, 6/9 FT WIN
10’ G5 vs. CHI – 19 PTS, 10 RBS, 9 AST, 0 STL, 2 BLK, 3 TOV, 5/12 FG, 1/2 3P, 8/14 FT WIN
11’ G4 vs. PHI – 31 PTS, 7 RBS, 6 AST, 1 STL, 1 BLK, 1 TOV, 11/20 FG, 0/4 3P, 9/11 FT LOSS
11’ G5 vs. PHI – 16 PTS, 10 RBS, 8 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 3 TOV, 5/13 FG, 2/5 3P, 4/5 FT WIN
11’ G5 vs. BOS – 33 PTS, 7 RBS, 4 AST, 1 STL, 1 BLK, 5 TOV, 11/20 FG, 5/7 3P, 6/9 FT WIN
11’ G5 vs. CHI – 28 PTS, 11 RBS, 6 AST, 3 STL, 2 BLK, 4 TOV, 8/19 FG, 3/6 3P, 9/11 FT WIN
12’ G4 vs. NYK – 27 PTS, 4 RBS, 4 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 5 TOV, 9/21 FG, 2/5 3P, 7/8 FT LOSS
12’ G5 vs. NYK – 29 PTS, 8 RBS, 7 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 4 TOV, 7/16 FG, 2/6 3P, 13/15 FT WIN
12’ G6 vs. IND – 28 PTS, 6 RBS, 7 AST, 3 STL, 0 BLK, 1 TOV, 12/23 FG, 0/3 3P, 4/5 FT WIN
12’ G7 vs. BOS – 31 PTS, 12 RBS, 2 AST, 1 STL, 1 BLK, 3 TOV, 9/21 FG, 1/5 3P, 12/17 FT WIN
12’ G5 vs. OKC – 26 PTS, 11 RBS, 13 AST, 1 STL, 2 BLK, 6 TOV, 9/19 FG, 0/3 3P, 8/9 FT WIN
13’ G4 vs. MIL – 30 PTS, 8 RBS, 7 AST, 3 STL, 1 BLK, 5 TOV, 13/20 FG, 0/2 3P, 4/7 FT WIN
13’ G5 vs. CHI – 23 PTS, 7 RBS, 8 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 5/14 FG, 1/3 3P, 12/15 FT WIN
13’ G6 vs. IND – 29 PTS, 7 RBS, 6 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 4 TOV, 10/21 FG, 2/4 3P, 7/8 FT LOSS
13’ G7 vs. IND – 32 PTS, 8 RBS, 4 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 2 TOV, 8/17 FG, 1/2 3P, 15/16 FT WIN
13’ G7 vs. SAS – 37 PTS, 12 RBS, 4 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 12/23 FG, 5/10 3P, 8/8 FT WIN

WayOfWade

07-13-2013, 11:01 PM

Kobe Bryant Clinching Game Stats: 33 Wins, 16 Losses
97’ G3 vs. POR – 22 PTS, 4 RBS, 2 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 4 TOV, 7/13 FG, 2/3 3P, 6/8 FT LOSS
97’ G4 vs. POR – 0 PTS, 0 RBS, 0 AST, 0 STL, 0 BLK, 0 TOV, 0/0 FG, 0/0 3P, 0/0 FT WIN
98’ G3 vs. POR – 4 PTS, 5 RBS, 0 AST, 0 STL, 0 BLK, 1 TOV, 1/6 FG, 0/2 3P, 2/2 FT LOSS
98’ G4 vs. POR – 22 PTS, 3 RBS, 4 AST, 0 STL, 1 BLK, 1 TOV, 9/16 FG, 1/1 3P, 3/4 FT WIN
98’ G5 vs. SEA – 7 PTS, 1 RBS, 0 AST, 0 STL, 1 BLK, 1 TOV, 3/3 FG, 1/1 3P, 0/0 FT WIN
99’ G3 vs. HOU – 13 PTS, 9 RBS, 5 AST, 2 STL, 4 BLK, 3 TOV, 5/17 FG, 1/4 3P, 2/3 FT LOSS
99’ G4 vs. HOU – 24 PTS, 6 RBS, 8 AST, 3 STL, 2 BLK, 3 TOV, 9/25 FG, 1/3 3P, 5/6 FT WIN
00’ G3 vs. SAC – 35 PTS, 3 RBS, 2 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 13/25 FG, 2/6 3P, 7/9 FT LOSS
00’ G4 vs. SAC – 32 PTS, 6 RBS, 4 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 7 TOV, 13/30 FG, 0/3 3P, 6/8 FT LOSS
00’ G5 vs. SAC – 17 PTS, 2 RBS, 6 AST, 0 STL, 3 BLK, 1 TOV, 7/16 FG, 1/5 3P, 2/2 FT WIN
00’ G4 vs. PHX – 23 PTS, 3 RBS, 5 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 10/20 FG, 0/5 3P, 3/6 FT LOSS
00’ G5 vs. PHX – 17 PTS, 1 RBS, 3 AST, 1 STL 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 6/16 FG, 1/3 3P, 4/4 FT WIN
00’ G5 vs. POR – 17 PTS, 5 RBS, 4 AST, 0 STL, 2 BLK, 6 TOV, 4/13 FG, 1/3 3P, 8/9 FT LOSS
00’ G6 vs. POR – 33 PTS, 2 RBS, 6 AST, 4 STL, 3 BLK, 3 TOV, 12/24 FG, 6/9 3P, 3/6 FT LOSS
00’ G7 vs. POR – 25 PTS, 11 RBS, 7 AST, 0 STL, 4 BLK, 2 TOV, 9/19 FG, 1/4 3P, 6/12 FT WIN
00’ G5 vs. IND – 8 PTS, 5 RBS, 3 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 0 TOV, 4/20 FG, 0/1 3P, 0/0 FT LOSS
00’ G6 vs. IND – 26 PTS, 10 RBS, 4 AST, 1 STL, 2 BLK, 1 TOV, 8/27 FG, 2/6 3P, 8/9 FT WIN
01’ G3 vs. POR – 22 PTS, 4 RBS, 9 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 3 TOV, 9/23 FG, 0/2 3P, 4/6 FT WIN
01’ G4 vs. SAC – 48 PTS, 16 RBS, 3 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 2 TOV, 15/29 FG, 1/1 3P, 17/19 FT WIN
01’ G4 vs. SAS – 24 PTS, 2 RBS, 11 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 2 TOV, 10/19 FG, 1/4 3P, 3/3 FT WIN
01’ G5 vs. PHI – 26 PTS, 12 RBS, 6 AST, 1 STL, 1 BLK, 3 TOV, 7/18 FG, 2/3 3P, 10/11 FT WIN
02’ G3 vs. POR – 25 PTS, 4 RBS, 7 AST, 2 STL, 2 BLK, 4 TOV, 9/19 FG, 3/4 3P, 4/7 FT WIN
02’ G5 vs. SAS – 26 PTS, 8 RBS, 5 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 0 TOV, 10/20 FG, 0/1 3P, 6/7 FT WIN
02’ G7 vs. SAC – 30 PTS, 10 RBS, 7 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 0 TOV, 10/26 FG, 2/3 3P, 8/10 FT WIN
02’ G4 vs. NJN – 25 PTS, 6 RBS, 8 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 1 TOV, 7/16 FG, 2/3 3P, 9/11 FT WIN
03’ G6 vs. MIN – 31 PTS, 2 RBS, 8 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 14/26 FG, 2/7 3P, 1/2 FT WIN
04’ G5 vs. HOU – 31 PTS, 6 RBS, 10 AST, 3 STL, 0 BLK, 1 TOV, 12/21 FG, 1/4 3P, 6/6 FT WIN
04’ G6 vs. SAS – 26 PTS, 7 RBS, 7 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 4 TOV, 10/20 FG, 0/3 3P, 6/8 FT WIN
04’ G5 vs. MIN – 23 PTS, 6 RBS, 7 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 4 TOV, 8/19 FG, 3/8 3P, 4/6 FT LOSS
04’ G6 vs. MIN – 20 PTS, 0 RBS, 4 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 0 TOV, 6/17 FG, 1/3 3P, 7/11 FT WIN
06’ G5 vs. PHX – 29 PTS, 7 RBS, 5 AST, 0 STL 1 BLK, 5 TOV, 10/17 FG, 3/8 3P, 6/9 FT LOSS
06’ G6 vs. PHX – 50 PTS, 8 RBS, 5 AST, 3 STL, 0 BLK, 7 TOV, 20/35 FG, 5/8 3P, 5/6 FT LOSS
06’ G7 vs. PHX – 24 PTS, 4 RBS, 1 AST, 0 STL, 1 BLK, 3 TOV, 8/16 FG, 4/8 3P, 4/5 FT LOSS
08’ G4 vs. DEN – 31 PTS, 7 RBS, 6 AST, 3 STL, 2 BLK, 6 TOV, 12/24 FG, 3/8 3P, 4/10 FT WIN
08’ G6 vs. UTA – 34 PTS, 8 RBS, 6 AST, 0 STL, 0 BLK, 5 TOV, 9/19 FG, 1/2 3P, 15/17 FT WIN
08’ G5 vs. SAS – 39 PTS, 3 RBS, 3 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 16/30 FG, 2/6 3P, 5/5 FT WIN
09’ G5 vs. UTA – 31 PTS, 2 RBS, 4 AST, 4 STL, 1 BLK, 5 TOV, 10/21 FG, 3/4 3P, 8/9 FT WIN
09’ G6 vs. HOU – 32 PTS, 2 RBS, 3 AST, 1 STL, 3 BLK, 2 TOV, 11/27 FG, 1/5 3P, 9/10 FT LOSS
09’ G7 vs. HOU – 14 PTS, 7 RBS, 5 AST, 3 STL, 2 BLK, 1 TOV, 4/12 FG, 1/4 3P, 5/6 FT WIN
09’ G6 vs. DEN – 35 PTS, 6 RBS, 10 AST, 0 STL, 1 BLK, 1 TOV, 12/20 FG, 2/4 3P, 9/9 FT WIN
09’ G5 vs. ORL – 30 PTS, 6 RBS, 5 AST, 2 STL, 4 BLK, 1 TOV, 10/23 FG, 2/5 3P, 8/8 FT WIN
10’ G6 vs. OKC – 32 PTS, 7 RBS, 3 AST, 0 STL, 0 BLK, 5 TOV, 12/25 FG, 3/4 3P, 5/7 FT WIN
10’ G4 vs. UTA – 32 PTS, 3 RBS, 4 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 3 TOV, 11/23 FG, 0/2 3P, 10/12 FT WIN
10’ G6 vs. PHX – 37 PTS, 6 RBS, 2 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 12/25 FG, 3/8 3P, 10/11 FT WIN
10’ G7 vs. BOS – 23 PTS, 15 RBS, 2 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 4 TOV, 6/24 FG, 0/6 3P, 11/15 FT WIN
11’ G6 vs. NOH – 24 PTS, 1 RBS, 2 AST, 3 STL, 0 BLK, 4 TOV, 6/16 FG, 2/4 3P, 10/10 FT WIN
12’ G5 vs. DEN – 43 PTS, 6 RBS, 5 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 3 TOV, 14/32 FG, 5/11 3P, 10/11 FT LOSS
12’ G6 vs. DEN – 31 PTS, 2 RBS, 4 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 3 TOV, 13/23 FG, 1/4 3P, 4/4 FT LOSS
12’ G7 vs. DEN – 17 PTS, 1 RBS, 8 AST, 0 STL, 1 BLK, 3 TOV, 7/16 FG, 2/2 3P, 1/4 FT WIN

WayOfWade

07-13-2013, 11:01 PM

Dwyane Wade Clinching Game Stats: 17 Wins, 7 Losses
04’ G6 vs. NOH – 27 PTS, 7 RBS, 6 AST, 0 STL, 1 BLK, 4 TOV, 10/17 FG, 1/1 3P, 6/8 FT LOSS
04’ G7 vs. NOH – 12 PTS, 4 RBS, 7 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 4 TOV, 5/18 FG, 0/1 3P, 2/2 FT WIN
05’ G4 vs. NJN – 34 PTS, 4 RBS, 9 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 3 TOV, 13/20 FG, 1/1 3P, 7/9 FT WIN
05’ G4 vs. WAS – 42 PTS, 7 RBS, 4 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 6 TOV, 13/22 FG, 0/0 3P, 16/17 FT WIN
05’ G7 vs. DET – 20 PTS, 1 RBS, 4 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 5 TOV, 7/20 FG, 0/1 3P, 6/7 FT LOSS
06’ G6 vs. CHI – 23 PTS, 3 RBS, 6 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 7/12 FG, 2/3 3P, 7/8 FT WIN
06’ G5 vs. NJN – 21 PTS, 6 RBS, 7 AST, 1 STL, 1 BLK, 7 TOV, 7/19 FG, 1/1 3P, 6/9 FT WIN
06’ G5 vs. DET – 23 PTS, 3 RBS, 4 AST, 2 STL, 3 BLK, 5 TOV, 11/20 FG, 0/3 3P, 1/3 FT LOSS
06’ G6 vs. DET – 14 PTS, 4 RBS, 10 AST, 1 STL, 1 BLK, 3 TOV, 6/15 FG, 0/1 3P, 2/2 FT WIN
06’ G6 vs. DAL – 36 PTS, 10 RBS, 5 AST, 4 STL, 3 BLK, 5 TOV, 10/18 FG, 0/0 3P, 16/21 FT WIN
09’ G7 vs. ATL – 31 PTS, 3 RBS, 4 AST, 1 STL, 2 BLK, 4 TOV, 10/25 FG, 2/9 3P, 9/9 FT LOSS
11’ G4 vs. PHI – 22 PTS, 8 RBS, 4 AST, 3 STL 5 BLK, 2 TOV, 9/21 FG, 1/3 3P, 3/4 FT LOSS
11’ G5 vs. PHI – 26 PTS, 11 RBS, 7 AST, 1 STL, 1 BLK, 2 TOV, 10/25 FG, 1/5 3P, 5/6 FT WIN
11’ G5 vs. BOS – 34 PTS, 10 RBS, 5 AST, 4 STL, 0 BLK, 3 TOV, 13/19 FG, 0/1 3P, 8/15 FT WIN
11’ G5 vs. CHI – 21 PTS, 6 RBS, 2 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 9 TOV, 6/13 FG, 1/2 3P, 8/11 FT WIN
12’ G4 vs. NYK – 22 PTS, 3 RBS, 6 AST, 4 STL, 3 BLK, 2 TOV, 9/18 FG, 0/3 3P, 4/11 FT LOSS
12’ G5 vs. NYK – 19 PTS, 4 RBS, 3 AST, 2 STL, 2 BLK, 2 TOV, 7/19 FG, 0/0 3P, 5/7 FT WIN
12’ G6 vs. IND – 41 RBS, 10 RBS, 3 AST, 2 STL, 0 BLK, 5 TOV, 17/25 FG, 0/0 3P, 7/8 FT WIN
12’ G7 vs. BOS – 23 PTS, 6 RBS, 6 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 3 TOV, 8/17 FG, 0/2 3P, 7/8 FT WIN
12’ G5 vs. OKC – 20 PTS, 8 RBS, 3 AST, 2 STL, 3 BLK, 1 TOV, 7/12 FG, 0/0 3P, 6/9 FT WIN
13’ G5 vs. CHI – 18 PTS, 5 RBS, 6 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 1 TOV, 7/13 FG, 0/0 3P, 4/4 FT WIN
13’ G6 vs. IND – 10 PTS, 2 RBS, 1 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 2 TOV, 3/11 FG, 1/2 3P, 3/5 FT LOSS
13’ G7 vs. IND – 21 PTS, 9 RBS, 1 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 4 TOV, 7/17 FG, 0/0 3P, 7/7 FT WIN
13’ G7 vs. SAS – 23 PTS, 10 RBS, 1 AST, 1 STL, 2 BLK, 4 TOV, 11/21 FG, 0/0 3P, 1/2 FT WIN

WayOfWade

07-13-2013, 11:02 PM

Carmelo Anthony Clinching Game Stats: 3 Wins, 3 Losses
09’ G5 vs. NOH – 34 PTS, 6 RBS, 3 AST, 4 STL, 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 13/25 FG, 1/3 3P, 7/7 FT WIN
09’ G4 vs. DAL – 41 PTS, 11 RBS, 3 AST, 5 STL, 0 BLK, 2 TOV, 15/29 FG, 2/5 3P, 9/11 FT LOSS
09’ G5 vs. DAL – 30 PTS, 5 RBS, 3 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 1 TOV, 13/22 FG, 4/7 3P, 0/0 FT WIN
13’ G4 vs. BOS – 36 PTS, 7 RBS, 2 AST, 1 STL, 0 BLK, 7 TOV, 10/35 FG, 0/7 3P, 16/20 FT LOSS
13’ G5 vs. BOS – 22 PTS, 7 RBS, 2 AST, 0 STL, 0 BLK, 0 TOV, 8/24 FG, 0/5 3P, 6/6 FT LOSS
13’ G6 vs. BOS – 21 PTS, 7 RBS, 5 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 3 TOV, 7/23 FG, 1/6 3P, 6/6 FT LOSS

Inferno

07-13-2013, 11:04 PM

:applause: :bowdown:

LikeABosh

07-13-2013, 11:27 PM

Lol why is Melo on here? Hes won like 2 playoff series

nathanjizzle

07-13-2013, 11:36 PM

lebrons stats are registered up untill his prime. jordans and kobes pretty much a full career. thats how you can tell lebron isnt even close to jordan, with jordans washed up years he still averaged better than lebron.

#number6ix#

07-13-2013, 11:38 PM

Damn Kobe played in a lot of close out games

KG215

07-13-2013, 11:41 PM

Looks how you'd expect it look...

Jordan > LeBron > Kobe > Wade > Carmelo

Not trying to be an ass or anything. It's a good thread and I appreciate the work.

WayOfWade

07-13-2013, 11:55 PM

Lol why is Melo on here? Hes won like 2 playoff series
Because I knew he's easier to do than Norris Cole.

Yao Ming's Foot

07-14-2013, 12:00 AM

needs TS% and defensive rating of opponents faced

nathanjizzle

07-14-2013, 12:02 AM

lebrons stats started when he was 21. if you count kobes stats starting at 21 which was 99 he would have averaged 27.6 points, and thats including after kobes prime which lebrons stats dont reflect.

KG215

07-14-2013, 12:08 AM

needs TS% and defensive rating of opponents faced
Still...

Jordan > LeBron > Kobe > Wade > Carmelo

Yao Ming's Foot

07-14-2013, 12:17 AM

Still...

Jordan > LeBron > Kobe > Wade > Carmelo

I don't have any problem with the way people wish to rank players after all context is applied to the situation but to ignore how effective those teams were at limiting scoring efficiency in that given year is a glaring error that is sadly often made on these forums. Frankly these numbers are meaningless without that context.

Leviathon1121

07-14-2013, 12:24 AM

I don't have any problem with the way people wish to rank players after all context is applied to the situation but to ignore how effective those teams were at limiting scoring efficiency in that given year is a glaring error that is sadly often made on these forums. Frankly these numbers are meaningless without that context.

Nobody cares about this last ditch excuse making for Bryant but yourself, must be pretty infuriating for you.

juju151111

07-14-2013, 12:28 AM

Yao Ming's Foot

07-14-2013, 12:34 AM

Nobody cares about this last ditch excuse making for Bryant but yourself, must be pretty infuriating for you.

Who said anything about Kobe? I'm talking about considering the defenses faced when comparing the raw offensive numbers of players who played against them. Its context vital and valid for any box score comparisons among players who faced different teams. It's not remotely controversial.

kamil

07-14-2013, 12:37 AM

Kobe's 3PT% is pretty good and far better than all the other guys... but I wonder why his FT% isn't higher, you'd think someone who can drain 3s can easily make more than 80% of his free throws...

KG215

07-14-2013, 12:40 AM

Who said anything about Kobe? I'm talking about considering the defenses faced when comparing the raw offensive numbers of players who played against them. Its context vital and valid for any box score comparisons among players who faced different teams. It's not remotely controversial.
True, for a normal poster it's not controversial. But it's you...one of the biggest Kobe d***riders on here. Really, I'm going to guess the difference in defenses faced isn't going to be enough to convince me Kobe's 26 PPG on 46% shooting is as impressive as Jordan's 34 PPG on 49% shooting.

Yao Ming's Foot

07-14-2013, 12:42 AM

True, for a normal poster it's not controversial. But it's you...one of the biggest Kobe d***riders on here. Really, I'm going to guess the difference in defenses faced isn't going to be enough to convince me Kobe's 26 PPG on 46% shooting is as impressive as Jordan's 34 PPG on 49% shooting.

So you agree with me, but just don't like to admit it because you hold some silly personal vendetta against me. :confusedshrug:

SamuraiSWISH

07-14-2013, 12:43 AM

Nobody cares about this last ditch excuse making for Bryant but yourself, must be pretty infuriating for you.
:oldlol:

KG215

07-14-2013, 12:44 AM

So you agree with me, but just don't like to admit it because you hold some silly personal vendetta against me. :confusedshrug:
Right, but you're a single player obsessed troll, so I have no problem admitting I have a personal vendetta against you.

juju151111

07-14-2013, 12:48 AM

So you agree with me, but just don't like to admit it because you hold some silly personal vendetta against me. :confusedshrug:
Show me a defensive stat that shows you the specific pressure/gameplan that a certain player faced. Why did LJ play better against the packers not the bulls? Why did LJ struggle against the spurs but the #1 rated defense pavers had his best series. Show me that stat then we can start to talk about context and Shit.

juju151111

07-14-2013, 12:48 AM

Right, but you're a single player obsessed troll, so I have no problem admitting I have a personal vendetta against you.
:applause: ...............

Yao Ming's Foot

07-14-2013, 12:50 AM

Right, but you're a single player obsessed troll, so I have no problem admitting I have a personal vendetta against you.

I don't know how you consider my post trolling when you already admitted you agree with it. :confusedshrug:

funnystuff

07-14-2013, 12:51 AM

So much useless jizz on the first page.

Yao Ming's Foot

07-14-2013, 12:52 AM

Show me a defensive stat that shows you the specific pressure/gameplan that a certain player faced. Why did LJ play better against the packers not the bulls? Why did LJ struggle against the spurs but the #1 rated defense pavers had his best series. Show me that stat then we can start to talk about context and Shit.

So you want to ignore the vast amounts of data we do have because we don't have some impossible data that you really want. :facepalm

Sarcastic

07-14-2013, 12:54 AM

TS and def rating don't give full context because they say nothing about how all the other teammates contributed to the games. Only way to get full context is to sit down and watch each game.

funnystuff

07-14-2013, 12:55 AM

So you want to ignore the vast amounts of data we do have because we don't have some impossible data that you really want. :facepalm
It feels like you just described a Kobe stan.

:confusedshrug:

SamuraiSWISH

07-14-2013, 12:57 AM

TS and def rating don't give full context because they say nothing about how all the other teammates contributed to the games. Only way to get full context is to sit down and watch each game.
Agreed. Defensive Rating alone also doesn't tell the overall quality of a team, either. A team that has a high powered offense that makes you work hard on that end of the floor is very important as well. All we can do is judge based off the numbers. These players couldn't control or hand pick who they played anyway ... you judge them on their merits.

WayOfWade

07-14-2013, 01:01 AM

TS and def rating don't give full context because they say nothing about how all the other teammates contributed to the games. Only way to get full context is to sit down and watch each game.
Not to mention how long it would take for me to go back and find all of that data. Just finding, labeling, copying, and averaging all the games was enough.

SamuraiSWISH

07-14-2013, 01:03 AM

Not to mention how long it would take for me to go back and find all of that data. Just finding, labeling, copying, and averaging all the games was enough.
Which reminds me ... thanks for doing MAJOR work yet again with these statistical compilations. You did it before for the "do or die" elimination games, it's cool you did it for "money on the table / step on their throat" close out games too. Props.

Yao Ming's Foot

07-14-2013, 01:04 AM

Agreed. Defensive Rating alone also doesn't tell the overall quality of a team, either. A team that has a high powered offense that makes you work hard on that end of the floor is very important as well. All we can do is judge based off the numbers. These players couldn't control or hand pick who they played anyway ... you judge them on their merits.

Exactly. Defensive rating is the best number we have for measuring how effective a team was at limiting efficient scoring in that given year. We could also use SRS to measure the strength of the teams overall. TS% is also obviously a superior number to measure offensive efficiency. Seems like you all like to only embrace the numbers that support whatever mythology it is you cling to. :confusedshrug:

WayOfWade

07-14-2013, 01:16 AM

Which reminds me ... thanks for doing MAJOR work yet again with these statistical compilations. You did it before for the "do or die" elimination games, it's cool you did it for "money on the table / step on their throat" close out games too. Props.
Thank you very much, it means a lot. I'm probably going to revisit the Elimination Game stats for other legends and/or current players. I've already done Stockton and Malone for it, so I just need to find others to round it out.

juju151111

07-14-2013, 01:19 AM

So you want to ignore the vast amounts of data we do have because we don't have some impossible data that you really want. :facepalm
So what your telling me you don't have it? Then sit ur dumbass down. This is where actually watching the games come in handy. Mj superior to ur lover. No amount of twisting stats will change that. This is the same guy who couldn't lead his team out the first round in his prime without a all-star.

avonbarksdale

07-14-2013, 01:22 AM

legit why would u do that like dont u have anything better to spend your time on?

juju151111

07-14-2013, 01:22 AM

Sarcastic

07-14-2013, 01:23 AM

Exactly. Defensive rating is the best number we have for measuring how effective a team was at limiting efficient scoring in that given year. We could also use SRS to measure the strength of the teams overall. TS% is also obviously a superior number to measure offensive efficiency. Seems like you all like to only embrace the numbers that support whatever mythology it is you cling to. :confusedshrug:

Introducing team stats when comparing individual stats is misguided. Again it says nothing about the teammates nor how much defensive attention a player actually received. There's a big difference between dumping the ball off to Wade or Shaq, who can both create their own shot and dumping off to Pippen who was much more limited on offense.

Yao Ming's Foot

07-14-2013, 01:25 AM

It doesn't matter about ts% Mj still comes out better at 34 ppg.

If it doesn't matter and Jordan still comes out ahead and you all have valiantly proclaimed without anyone ever saying otherwise there should be no problem with including it in the first place. :confusedshrug:

Yao Ming's Foot

07-14-2013, 01:34 AM

Introducing team stats when comparing individual stats is misguided. Again it says nothing about the teammates nor how much defensive attention a player actually received. There's a big difference between dumping the ball off to Wade or Shaq, who can both create their own shot and dumping off to Pippen who was much more limited on offense.

I imagine any player scoring 20+ points in series clinching games is getting significant attention from the defense.

There is no evidence the Kobe or Jordan's individual efficiency markedly improved based on the strength of their offensive teammates. Kobe's efficieny was better in 07 (with Kwame) than 08 (with Gasol). It was better in 05 (with nobody) than 04 (with 3 HOFers). :confusedshrug:

TheWalkman

07-14-2013, 01:38 AM

So you agree with me, but just don't like to admit it because you hold some silly personal vendetta against me. :confusedshrug:

YMF always creepin' in these types of threads, he has some silly personal vendetta against MJ for some reason.

:confusedshrug:

Sarcastic

07-14-2013, 01:38 AM

I imagine any player scoring 20+ points in series clinching games is getting significant attention from the defense.

There is no evidence the Kobe or Jordan's individual efficiency markedly improved based on the strength of their offensive teammates. Kobe's efficieny was better in 07 (with Kwame) than 08 (with Gasol). It was better in 05 (with nobody) than 04 (with 3 HOFers). :confusedshrug:

The point is that if you want full context you need more that def rtg and TS. They are just pieces to a puzzle, but don't complete it.

Yao Ming's Foot

07-14-2013, 01:44 AM

The point is that if you want full context you need more that def rtg and TS. They are just pieces to a puzzle, but don't complete it.

It's the best we have. Clearly adding that data is a better alternative than ignoring defense altogether.

Sarcastic

07-14-2013, 02:01 AM

It's the best we have. Clearly adding that data is a better alternative than ignoring defense altogether.

No the best we have is watching the games.

eSOL

07-14-2013, 02:15 AM

legit why would u do that like dont u have anything better to spend your time on?

**** outta this thread then

WayOfWade

07-14-2013, 02:21 AM

legit why would u do that like dont u have anything better to spend your time on?
I do actually have better things to spend my time on. I did this all periodically over a 2 week period; doing it all in a couple days would be sad. This site is a fun pastime, but it's not my #1 priority. I spend a lot more time playing basketball, reading, and hanging out with friends then I do crunching these numbers. As to why I crunch these #'s, I'm an NBA junkie, and I'm interested to see how players stack up to eachother, and I figured other people would be interested as well.

Yao Ming's Foot

07-14-2013, 02:25 AM

No the best we have is watching the games.

Why post any data then? Should have just posted hundreds of youtube links right chief?

andgar923

07-14-2013, 02:33 AM

Why post any data then? Should have just posted hundreds of youtube links right chief?

We'd still come to the same conclusion tho.

Kobe takes bad shots because he tries hard to play hero ball and isn't as effective as Bron or MJ regardless of the defense.

I'm sure if we watch tape on every game, we'll see tons of plays in which they all get double teamed and triple teamed. They all get last second shots in which they have to bail out their offense.

The defensive rating will either average out to be the same or not be distinguishable enough to make any difference.

No matter how you spin it, Kobe is inferior to them.

Sarcastic

07-14-2013, 02:44 AM

Why post any data then? Should have just posted hundreds of youtube links right chief?

Because people like stats. In reality the only sport that gives us sample sizes that really matter is baseball. Statistics tell me Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana, but reality tells me he wasn't.

Yao Ming's Foot

07-14-2013, 02:48 AM

We'd still come to the same conclusion tho.

Kobe takes bad shots because he tries hard to play hero ball and isn't as effective as Bron or MJ regardless of the defense.

I'm sure if we watch tape on every game, we'll see tons of plays in which they all get double teamed and triple teamed. They all get last second shots in which they have to bail out their offense.

The defensive rating will either average out to be the same or not be distinguishable enough to make any difference.

No matter how you spin it, Kobe is inferior to them.

Once again if you are convinced of Jordan's supremacy regardless why is there such collective backlash towards including that obvious data in the first place. :confusedshrug:

andgar923

07-14-2013, 03:03 AM

Once again if you are convinced of Jordan's supremacy regardless why is there such collective backlash towards including that obvious data in the first place. :confusedshrug:

Not trying to be a dick, I don't understand what you're saying, can you rephrase that?

Thanks

SamuraiSWISH

07-14-2013, 03:05 AM

The stats, context, and eye test all tell us that MJ is the best of the bunch. Followed by LeBron.

Magic 32

07-14-2013, 03:18 AM

Kobe's and Lebron's numbers will start to tip in the other direction at some point (when Lebron slows down).

And some of these inclusions are quite unfair to Kobe.

____________

97’ G4 vs. POR – 0 PTS, 0 RBS, 0 AST, 0 STL, 0 BLK, 0 TOV, 0/0 FG, 0/0 3P, 0/0 FT WIN
98’ G3 vs. POR – 4 PTS, 5 RBS, 0 AST, 0 STL, 0 BLK, 1 TOV, 1/6 FG, 0/2 3P, 2/2 FT LOSS
98’ G5 vs. SEA – 7 PTS, 1 RBS, 0 AST, 0 STL, 1 BLK, 1 TOV, 3/3 FG, 1/1 3P, 0/0 FT WIN
____________

I'm sure he played a lot of minutes in those games. :rolleyes:

6:00
16.00
11.00

Why not limit these stats to starters only?

update: Kobe is at 27.6 points per game as a starter.

Yao Ming's Foot

07-14-2013, 03:27 AM

Not trying to be a dick, I don't understand what you're saying, can you rephrase that?

Thanks

Jordan mythologists love posting offensive stats but not TS% and they ignore the defensive context in which those stats were derived. They are also quick to remind you unprovoked that Jordan is the best regardless of not including those stats. If thats the case and they truly believe that how do we explain their reluctance to recognize those stats in the first place.

andgar923

07-14-2013, 03:35 AM

Jordan mythologists love posting offensive stats but not TS% and they ignore the defensive context in which those stats were derived. They are also quick to remind you unprovoked that Jordan is the best regardless of not including those stats. If thats the case and they truly believe that how do we explain their reluctance to recognize those stats in the first place.

Dude.

The defense regardless of rating focused on stopping MJ.

He was double and triple teamed when he didn't have an option. Even then, the other offensie threat was usually a shooter to create some space which every team has for the most part (both Kobe and Bron have had a 3pt shooter you couldn't leave open, and well… Kobe had Shaq and Pau creates open looks for him).

So go ahead…. go watch game tapes and you'd see that regardless of pace and DRTG, the defense MJ faced was tougher, more physical and determined to stop him.

As far as TS% MJ will more than likely still win out with his all around game. And that's not including his defense for which he was superior than Kobe.

Dude, any way you wanna slice and dice it MJ and Bron still win out. These stats may not show the full context but it gives us a picture. If one watches them play they'll still come out with the same conclusion, MJ>Bron>KObe

Do you think some of us say Bron is better than Kobe just because? go ask most Mj fans (Or stans) and they'll agree that Bron is a better player while Kobe is the more versatile/skilled scorer.

Or go ask random non MJ fans and they'll more than likely come to the same conclusion.

WayOfWade

07-14-2013, 03:38 AM

[QUOTE=Magic 32]Kobe's and Lebron's numbers will start to tip in the other direction at some point (when Lebron slows down).

And some of these inclusions are quite unfair to Kobe.

____________

97

sundizz

07-14-2013, 03:38 AM

[QUOTE=Magic 32]Kobe's and Lebron's numbers will start to tip in the other direction at some point (when Lebron slows down).

And some of these inclusions are quite unfair to Kobe.

____________

97

SamuraiSWISH

07-14-2013, 03:41 AM

The thing is, Kobe made the choice himself to come play out of High school, and so he must live with his decision, and so his stats must show for it.
This is intelligence. Thank You.

WayOfWade

07-14-2013, 03:44 AM

Yeah, it's pretty bs to include those stats as an example of the Kobe Bryant we know. Since we are comparing stars, not growing pains, we should only compare them as starters. He was the only one that came to an already hella good team...of course he wasn't going to be given the green light (Del hated him basically) the same way everyone else on the list was.
I see your point (along with Magic 32's), I just have the desire to see the whole story. When you read a book, you don't skip the first 50 pages, you read all of it. However since multiple people are asking for this, I'll try to revisit his stats and repost his starter averages probably tomorrow. Thanks for the feedback.

Magic 32

07-14-2013, 03:45 AM

This is intelligence. Thank You.

Not really.

Kobe did not know he was going to play for a powerhouse team when he decided to skip college.

Lebron knew he was going to have his own team.

WayOfWade

07-14-2013, 03:50 AM

Not really.

Kobe did not know he was going to play for a powerhouse team when he decided to skip college.

Lebron knew he was going to have his own team.
Still doesnt change the fact that he came out of High School. Everyone knows you'll be better going to college for a couple years before going pro. And it still doesn't change the fact that he played in those games, and so they're a part of the averages. Still though, I respect and see your point, and as I've said in my last post, I'll post Kobe's starter averages probably tomorrow for people who don't want Kobe's tainted games in them.

pauk

07-14-2013, 04:06 AM

MJ/Lebron :applause:

Magic 32

07-14-2013, 04:09 AM

MJ/Lebron :applause:

http://fearthehat.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/old-lebron.jpg

http://sportsinreview.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Kobe-old.jpg

The Custodian

07-14-2013, 04:16 AM

Not really.

Kobe did not know he was going to play for a powerhouse team when he decided to skip college.

Lebron knew he was going to have his own team.
THIS, they both came outta high school being placed onto random teams in random situations. I guess Kobe could have known that he wouldn't be going to a lottery team..... but it is what it is :banana:

joeysms55

07-14-2013, 04:22 AM

WayOfWade

07-14-2013, 04:24 AM

THIS, they both came outta high school being placed onto random teams in random situations. I guess Kobe could have known that he wouldn't be going to a lottery team..... but it is what it is :banana:
Custodian, it's better to let everyone think you're an idiot, instead of opening your mouth and proving it.

joeysms55

07-14-2013, 04:28 AM

Not really.

Kobe did not know he was going to play for a powerhouse team when he decided to skip college.

Lebron knew he was going to have his own team.

But still Kobe needed 5 YEARS before being the player Lebron was in his 2nd year

G-Funk

07-14-2013, 04:30 AM

cray

poido123

07-14-2013, 04:33 AM

It's the best we have. Clearly adding that data is a better alternative than ignoring defense altogether.

Damn lurkers.

You only post in Jordan threads. Get a life dude, the guy is retired and the GOAT, deal with it already.

Magic 32

07-14-2013, 04:34 AM

But still Kobe needed 5 YEARS before being the player Lebron was in his 2nd year

4 years.

1999-00 Kobe was a defensive beast and a totally capable scorer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k43TNVKTSYc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHlY74ry7-Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c8E5EzKmUg

I would take 00 Kobe over 05 Lebron (maybe even 06).

SamuraiSWISH

07-14-2013, 04:37 AM

Not really.

Kobe did not know he was going to play for a powerhouse team when he decided to skip college.

Lebron knew he was going to have his own team.
Kobe forced his way onto the Lakers. Why didn't he stick it out with "his own team" in Charlotte for the Hornets, who actually drafted him? He did the Magic thing, and was spoiled, entitled enough to manipulate his way onto the team he wanted to be on. That powerhouse team also benefitted his career resume by allowing him to be on championship caliber teams every season of his career until 2005.

andgar923

07-14-2013, 04:37 AM

[QUOTE=Magic 32]Kobe's and Lebron's numbers will start to tip in the other direction at some point (when Lebron slows down).

And some of these inclusions are quite unfair to Kobe.

____________

97

joeysms55

07-14-2013, 04:40 AM

4 years.

1999-00 Kobe was a defensive beast and a totally capable scorer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k43TNVKTSYc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHlY74ry7-Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c8E5EzKmUg

I would take 00 Kobe over 05 Lebron (maybe even 06).

OK now I know ur an I diot. ty

Magic 32

07-14-2013, 04:41 AM

So if we decide to do that, shall we start to go back and editing other stats as well?

Bron was too young, he had to carry a team from age 18, let us change those stats around.

:biggums:

Lebron did not make the playtoffs in 04 and 05.

Trash post.

Magic 32

07-14-2013, 04:41 AM

OK now I know ur an I diot. ty

You think 00 Kobe is not as good as 05 Lebron.

Unreal.

Magic 32

07-14-2013, 04:42 AM

Kobe forced his way onto the Lakers. Why didn't he stick it out with "his own team" in Charlotte for the Hornets, who actually drafted him? He did the Magic thing, and was spoiled, entitled enough to manipulate his way onto the team he wanted to be on. That powerhouse team also benefitted his career resume by allowing him to be on championship caliber teams every season of his career until 2005.

Yes, Kobe put a magic spell on Jerry West. :facepalm

joeysms55

07-14-2013, 04:43 AM

You think 00 Kobe is not as good as 05 Lebron.

Unreal.

When u bring out the 06 thats just a proof ur a homer

Magic 32

07-14-2013, 04:49 AM

When u bring out the 06 thats just a proof ur a homer

I think in a playoff series, Lebron's total lack of a post game, he's non-existing jumper, and his inexperience would be is a huge detriment.

Kobe's offensive game was almost complete in 2000 (not quite the perfect jumpshot), and defensively.....it's not even close.

2000 was Kobe's best year defensively.

And I said "maybe".

The Custodian

07-14-2013, 04:57 AM

Custodian, it's better to let everyone think you're an idiot, instead of opening your mouth and proving it.
:biggums:

WayOfWade

07-14-2013, 04:59 AM

[QUOTE=andgar923]Then you should also take away the wins and anything positive as well no?

So if we decide to do that, shall we start to go back and editing other stats as well?

Bron was too young, he had to carry a team from age 18, let us change those stats around.

MJ was old, had injuries let us adjust those as well. Oh while we're at it, let us adjust his second season stats since he didn't really play a whole lot

WayOfWade

07-14-2013, 05:00 AM

:biggums:
:coleman:

Magic 32

07-14-2013, 05:04 AM

While people like Magic 32 are agitated over some of Kobe's not as fine moments being included

I don't consider scoring 0 points in 6 min. a "not so fine moment".

I don't think that's fair.

andgar923

07-14-2013, 05:10 AM

While I like what you're trying to do, it seems kind of forced. While people like Magic 32 are agitated over some of Kobe's not as fine moments being included, you're trying to find reasons why they should be, and the (my) answer is simple. Kobe played those games, therefore they should and will be included.
As for you're explanation , perhaps a better example would be that if you want to take away those games, then you'll need to take away the entire first few years of his career. His all-rookie team, his dunk contest title, all the points he scored in them (not sure how many), and everything else. That just doesnt sit well with me.

I was being facetious.

I basically meant what you just stated.

The Custodian

07-14-2013, 05:13 AM

:coleman:

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m02jhbZPeZ1r465tso1_400.gif

Magic 32

07-14-2013, 05:39 AM

Kobe Bryant Clinching Game Averages (as a starter)

27.6 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 5.2 APG, 1.6 SPG, 1 BPG, 2.8 TOPG

Someone else has to do percentage numbers.

KOBE143

07-14-2013, 06:13 AM

Still...

Jordan = Kobe >>>>> LeBron > Wade > Carmelo

:applause:

SamuraiSWISH

07-14-2013, 09:40 PM

Kobe Bryant Clinching Game Averages (as a starter)

27.6 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 5.2 APG, 1.6 SPG, 1 BPG, 2.8 TOPG

Someone else has to do percentage numbers.
So in essence, even cherry picking certain games to be removed, even though it was Kobe's choice to come out of HS early. Both with it's benefits and pitfalls. Wanting to be on the Laker franchise, which already had an All-Star caliber player at his position.

Removing those games, it's still:

MJ > LeBron > Kobe > Wade > Melo

So, thanks. I think.

Legends66NBA7

07-14-2013, 09:45 PM

chazzy

07-14-2013, 10:15 PM

I have no problem admitting I have a personal vendetta against you.
:oldlol:

Legends66NBA7

07-14-2013, 10:30 PM

:oldlol:

Most biased agenda and troll posters will help drive someone to have a vendetta on here, I guess.

WayOfWade

07-14-2013, 11:57 PM

Great players putting up great numbers.

I don't get why Carmelo Anthony is in this. Could have picked a better candidate. Add some other great perimeter players in his place, like Bird, Magic, etc... I guess finding the stats for those guys would be hard, though.
I did Melo cause I knew he'd be easy. As for Magic and Bird, I will get to them in these stats threads eventually, but it will have to be post 1984 (basketball reference stops complete box scores then). And yeah, definitely some more wing players would be good, people like Clyde, Ray, etc...

DMAVS41

07-15-2013, 12:03 AM

Melo? ROFL

Do some other great players like Dirk and Duncan or something...

kshutts1

07-15-2013, 09:20 AM

I would like to see their "clinching game" stats relative to their "playoff average" stats from that year.

There was another thread on this exact same topic.. literally... and I went through and basically did it this way:

CGppg (Pppg), CGrpg (Prpg), etc.

When I did that, I saw that not many players' stats really increased all that much, if at all.

kshutts1

07-15-2013, 10:08 AM

Finally found it..

"Originally Posted by WayOfWade
MJ, LBJ, Kobe, Wade, Duncan, Shaq, & Dirk.

Michael Jordan G7 Stats:
36.8 (33.4) PPG, 7.2 (6.4) RPG, 6.6 (5.7) APG, 1.2 (2.1) SPG, 1.0 (.9) BPG, 4.0 (3.1) TOPG, 48.9( 48.7) FG%, 33.3 ( 33.2) 3FG%, 79.7 (82.8) FT%

Kobe Bryant G7 Stats:
21.4 (25.6) PPG, 7.1 (5.1) RPG, 5.1 (4.7) APG, .9 (1.4) SPG, 1.6 (.7) BPG, 2.0 (2.9) TOPG, 39.5 (44.8) FG%, 32.4 (33.1) 3P%, 70.2 (81.6) FT%

Dwyane Wade G7 Stats:
21.7 (23.7) PPG, 5.5 (5.5) RPG, 3.8 (5.2) APG, 1.3 (1.7) SPG, .8 (1.1) BPG, 4.0 (3.6) TOPG, 40.7 (47.6) FG%, 15.4 (32.1) 3P%, 91.4 (77.6) FT%

LeBron James G7 Stats:
34.4 (28.1) PPG, 9.0 (8.6) RPG, 3.6 (6.7) APG, 1.6 (1.7) SPG, .4 (.9) BPG, 2.4 (3.5) TOPG, 47.4 (47.2) FG%, 31.3 (32.2) 3P%, 79.4 (74.9) FT%

Tim Duncan G7 Stats:
25.8 (21.9) PPG, 12.2 (12) RPG, 3.4 (3.2) APG, 1.2 (.7) SPG, 2.6 (2.4) BPG, 3.4 (2.9) TOPG, 42.6 (49.9) FG%, 0.0 (15.6) 3P%, 87.5 (68.7) FT%

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