Lance Armstrong is spot on(Re: James PEDs debate)

[RagaZ]

www.twitter.com/lancearmstrong/status/356395448392622080?p=v

So true. The American media is too afraid to get into these speculations. They fear that people will lose interest, which means less $$$$.

[Maniak]

who cares i dont

[dzav323]

I think it's pretty interesting. It could have happened, but I doubt Lebron has done anything though. Lebron is a once in a decade athlete.

[chosen_one6]

www.twitter.com/lancearmstrong/status/356395448392622080?p=v

So true. The American media is too afraid to get into these speculations. They fear that people will lose interest, which means less $$$$.

LeBron has been an athletic freak since high school. If he had been juicing for that long, we would have known by now.

[juju151111]

LJ recovering from what? He never been injured. and LJ plays in the Olympics who don't play around when it comes to testing

[KyleKong]

LJ recovering from what? He never been injured. and LJ plays in the Olympics who don't play around when it comes to testing

This.

[Marchesk]

I think it's pretty interesting. It could have happened, but I doubt Lebron has done anything though. Lebron is a once in a decade athlete.

So is Usain Bolt, but he's likely been using. It's safe to assume that the majority of top professional athletes are using and getting away with it. We've seen how it helps those who got caught like Lance, Marion Jones or McGwire.

[Marchesk]

and LJ plays in the Olympics who don't play around when it comes to testing

LOL if you think the cheaters aren't ahead of Olympic testing. Anyway, Lance proved that you can get away with it for many years in a sport that did a lot of testing.

[fpliii]

I don't personally believe he's on something, but any person in league history from Jordan to LeBron wouldn't shock me.

That being said, if it's HGH for recovery in the offseason, I couldn't care less and actually support its use when players are hurt/in the offseason. Pretty silly for it to be banned as of yet since the side effects seem to be unknown (someone correct me if in wrong), but unless there's proof that it negatively impacts players' lives down the line it's completely asinine for it to not be permitted. Just another medical procedure that helps guys heal (and one if the best at doing so).

Hard steroids and other stuff that either directly impacts performance or is detrimental later in their lives? I agree that they should be banned.

[Magic 32]

http://i.imgur.com/GeJOq.png

[Magic 32]

but unless there's proof that it negatively impacts players' lives down the line it's completely asinine for it to not be permitted. Just another medical procedure that helps guys heal (and one if the best at doing so).


But you force clean athletes to dope if they wants to compete.

Hey kids, If you want to be star player, stick these up your a*s...

http://sportiseverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/PEDs.jpg

[strike first]

These top end athletes have too much on the line to not be using PEDS

too much money, fame, opportunity


Take any athlete and add PEDS and they become a better athlete.

[fpliii]

But you force clean athletes to dope if they wants to compete.

Hey kids, If you want to be star player, stick these up your a*s...

http://sportiseverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/PEDs.jpg

I guess the procedure would have to be performed in a medical setting (maybe only by approval on a case-by-case basis by a league arbitrator). Guys aren't forced to dope, but if it's permitted everyone will have the chance to recover.

It has nothing to do with pressuring kids. If the technology is out there, and there aren't any negative repercussions down the line health-wise, why not allow the best medical science to help guys heal? Other than the possibility of some side effects being discovered eventually, there is no argument against in my mind. Not in the slightest.

[Magic 32]

I guess the procedure would have to be performed in a medical setting (maybe only by approval on a case-by-case basis by a league arbitrator). Guys aren't forced to dope, but if it's permitted everyone will have the chance to recover.

It has nothing to do with pressuring kids. If the technology is out there, and there aren't any negative repercussions down the line health-wise, why not allow the best medical science to help guys heal? Other than the possibility of some side effects being discovered eventually, there is no argument against in my mind. Not in the slightest.

So if you don't want your head size to grow, become a lawyer instead.:hammerhead:

[fpliii]

So if you don't want your head size to grow, become a lawyer instead.:hammerhead:

lol

If we're being completely serious here, are there actually proven negative consequences health-wise after use? If not, what separates HGH from other new procedures?

[chazzy]

That being said, if it's HGH for recovery in the offseason, I couldn't care less and actually support its use when players are hurt/in the offseason. Pretty silly for it to be banned as of yet since the side effects seem to be unknown (someone correct me if in wrong), but unless there's proof that it negatively impacts players' lives down the line it's completely asinine for it to not be permitted. Just another medical procedure that helps guys heal (and one if the best at doing so).
It matters because it gives them an unfair advantage over the players who aren't using it because it's banned.

[fpliii]

It matters because it gives them an unfair advantage over the players who aren't using it because it's banned.

But I'm saying, why not remove the ban?

Apologies if I was unclear. I don't think it should be used while banned, but the ban should be lifted.

[EnoughSaid]

So you're telling me that LeBron James, the best basketball player in the world, the most famous basketball player right now, a 4 time MVP, a 2 time Gold Olympian, a 2 time Champ and 2 time Finals MVP is doping? :facepalm If there was any indication of him taking illegal drugs it would have been brought up already. No way the most popular player playing for the back to back champions is taking PEDs.

[Trollsmasher]

Lance should pay more attention to Chris Froome, the current king of his "clean" sport.

The guy is so juiced that the EPO is coming out of his eyes and he looks drugged whenever he speaks:lol

Guy even needed to "get a oxygen" when he finished the stage today. I would say blood infusion to prevent drug poisoning.

[fpliii]

So you're telling me that LeBron James, the best basketball player in the world, the most famous basketball player right now, a 4 time MVP, a 2 time Gold Olympian, a 2 time Champ and 2 time Finals MVP is doping? :facepalm If there was any indication of him taking illegal drugs it would have been brought up already. No way the most popular player playing for the back to back champions is taking PEDs.

Not that I think he's necessarily on something (I don't), but how would any of that preclude him from use? The NBA is notoriously behind the curve with regards to testing, and if he was using (again, I'm not accusing him) it would be easy enough to skip a cycle before/during the Olympics.

[Marchesk]

No way the most popular player playing for the back to back champions is taking PEDs.

People are still that naive after Lance? What, is basketball supposed to be a clean sport, unlike MLB? If PEDs help baseball players, track athletes, and cyclists, don't you think they would help basketball players?

It's weird. We seem to care deeply if someone on the track, the road or the diamond is juicing. We don't seem to care much at all if it's football or basketball.

[wang4three]

www.twitter.com/lancearmstrong/status/356395448392622080?p=v

So true. The American media is too afraid to get into these speculations. They fear that people will lose interest, which means less $$$$.

Yet, baseball, which is considered to be a bigger sport than basketball went through a big media scrutiny over PEDs.

[unbreakable]

Yet, baseball, which is considered to be a bigger sport than basketball went through a big media scrutiny over PEDs.

LMAO yea right... baseball hasnt been bigger than basketball since the 60s, chump.

if anything, the steroid scandals give baseball MUCH NEEDED attention. damn you are foolish.

[chosen_one6]

Yet, baseball, which is considered to be a bigger sport than basketball went through a big media scrutiny over PEDs.

Says who?

[KyrieTheFuture]

Side effects are impossible to know because they make brand new drugs everyday and they're usually designed specifically for an athletes body. A drug can be designed for one player only. Personally, I have no problem with use for recovery and honestly don't care if you use it for performance. I don't want kids doing it the same way I don't want kids drinking or smoking but when you're old enough and not developing...why not?

[EnoughSaid]

People are still that naive after Lance? What, is basketball supposed to be a clean sport, unlike MLB? If PEDs help baseball players, track athletes, and cyclists, don't you think they would help basketball players?

It's weird. We seem to care deeply if someone on the track, the road or the diamond is juicing. We don't seem to care much at all if it's football or basketball.

Well I just don't think it's very likely that he's doping. We won't know for sure until he undergoes tests.

[jzek]

Side effects are impossible to know

No it's not... look at Wade's jaw. That's a side effect.

[wang4three]

LMAO yea right... baseball hasnt been bigger than basketball since the 60s, chump.

if anything, the steroid scandals give baseball MUCH NEEDED attention. damn you are foolish.


Says who?

The MLB makes like twice as much as the NBA does in profit, if not more. It's a much more lucrative sport with much more money pumped into it.

[jzek]

Yet, baseball, which is considered to be a bigger sport than basketball

Dude, seriously? Baseball is irrelevant until the playoffs (LOL at 180 regular season games). It's on par with hockey in terms of "popularity". I'd say it's just a few notches above Major League Soccer.

NFL (by a wide margin) > NBA > MLB == NHL > MLS

[KyrieTheFuture]

The MLB makes like twice as much as the NBA does in profit, if not more. It's a much more lucrative sport with much more money pumped into it.
I guarantee the only reason they make more is because they literally have twice as many games. I'm sure the ratings for the NBA are much higher

[unbreakable]

lol "baseball more popular than basketball" LOLOLOL

[Real Men Wear Green]

If someone digs up real evidence the media will be all over the NBA. But until then irresponsible speculation can do no more than make some star mad at a reporter. It would be fair to ask the league about tougher testing. But it would be stupid to badger a guy like James with accusations he will deny in the absence of proof. The over-analysis of his jaw line means nothing.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Dude, seriously? Baseball is irrelevant until the playoffs (LOL at 180 regular season games). It's on par with hockey in terms of "popularity". I'd say it's just a few notches above Major League Soccer.

NFL (by a wide margin) > NBA > MLB == NHL > MLS
It makes more money. (http://www.askmen.com/sports/business_200/218_sports_business.html) And profit is easily the best measure of popularity.

[wang4three]

Dude, seriously? Baseball is irrelevant until the playoffs (LOL at 180 regular season games). It's on par with hockey in terms of "popularity". I'd say it's just a few notches above Major League Soccer.

NFL (by a wide margin) > NBA > MLB == NHL > MLS

I know I'm on an NBA forum, but the numbers do not support your theory at all. MLB is reporting like 7billion in revenue with 500 million in profit. Meanwhile, the NBA generates 4 billion with million 200 in profit. The numbers are not even comparable. Even with players making more money in the MLB, there is just so much more money in the MLB than the NBA.

If you look at Forbes top 50 richest sports teams in the World, the NBA doesn't even grace it till #35 with the Lakers. Meanwhile both the Dodgers and the Yankees are in the top 10.

Also if you look at viewership, the World Series beats the NBA Finals in similar situations. This year, Game 7 of the finals drew a near-record of 18 million viewers. In 2011, Game 7 of the World Series drew over 25 million viewers.

Baseball is bigger than basketball from a view perspective as well as a money perspective. It's the #2 sports in America, no matter how you look at it.

[unbreakable]

this guy is on roids
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/files/2010/09/os-orlando-magic-rashard-lewis-34.jpg

but this guy isnt
http://www.cavstheblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/lebron-james-3.jpg

nice logic, ISH

[wang4three]

I guarantee the only reason they make more is because they literally have twice as many games. I'm sure the ratings for the NBA are much higher

Numbers do not support your theory. If we look at viewership of each of their playoffs, the MLB wins.

[R.I.P.]

Lance is dangerous. He

[fpliii]

Numbers do not support your theory. If we look at viewership of each of their playoffs, the MLB wins.

Not so sure about that, perhaps you're right though.

Can someone post the WS/Finals ratings from the last 5 years or so? I can't ATM, but if a little later nobody has, I'll do the research.

[The Choken One]

I know I'm on an NBA forum, but the numbers do not support your theory at all. MLB is reporting like 7billion in revenue with 500 million in profit. Meanwhile, the NBA generates 4 billion with million 200 in profit. The numbers are not even comparable. Even with players making more money in the MLB, there is just so much more money in the MLB than the NBA.

If you look at Forbes top 50 richest sports teams in the World, the NBA doesn't even grace it till #35 with the Lakers. Meanwhile both the Dodgers and the Yankees are in the top 10.

Also if you look at viewership, the World Series beats the NBA Finals in similar situations. This year, Game 7 of the finals drew a near-record of 18 million viewers. In 2011, Game 7 of the World Series drew over 25 million viewers.

Baseball is bigger than basketball from a view perspective as well as a money perspective. It's the #2 sports in America, no matter how you look at it.
Numbers don't mean much to people on this site.

If you talk to the casual person, most will say baseball is the better sport. It's to be expected though, we're on a basketball website.

NFL > MLB > NBA

[Real Men Wear Green]

this guy is on roids
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/files/2010/09/os-orlando-magic-rashard-lewis-34.jpg

but this guy isnt
http://www.cavstheblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/lebron-james-3.jpg

nice logic, ISH
Failing a test is proof. Big muscles aren't. Do you know anything about PEDs? Look at all the cyclists that have been busted over the years. There isn't a single NFL player skinnier than Lance Armstrong. Does that mean the entirity of football is doping? Your "logic" is stupid.

[R.I.P.]

Btw has this kicked into gear, becaaue Tyson Gay has been busted? Usain Bolt is reaching Armstrong level

[mugiwara]

People are still that naive after Lance? What, is basketball supposed to be a clean sport, unlike MLB? If PEDs help baseball players, track athletes, and cyclists, don't you think they would help basketball players?

It's weird. We seem to care deeply if someone on the track, the road or the diamond is juicing. We don't seem to care much at all if it's football or basketball.

specifics

[unbreakable]

Failing a test is proof. Big muscles aren't. Do you know anything about PEDs? Look at all the cyclists that have been busted over the years. There isn't a single NFL player skinnier than Lance Armstrong. Does that mean the entirity of football is doping? Your "logic" is stupid.

you think guys can train year round playing hoops and still maintain that kinda size/strength/athleticism while playing professional games every 2-3 nights? you sure iz dumb. :facepalm

im not ratting out lebron specifically.. theyre all on it.. and its naive young brats like yourself who refuse to see it

[Nash]

Difference between Lebron and Armstrong, Bolt, Tyson Gay and the rest of those who cheated were guys who came outta nowhere and started performing at a level nobody ever expected them to be. Lebron on the other hand has been a prodigy and an athletic freak since he was 16.

[unbreakable]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Btw has this kicked into gear, becaaue Tyson Gay has been busted? Usain Bolt is reaching Armstrong level

[unbreakable]

Lebron on the other hand has been juicing since he was 16.

fixed that for you bruh:cheers:

[Doctor Rivers]

Difference between Lebron and Armstrong, Bolt, Tyson Gay and the rest of those who cheated were guys who came outta nowhere and started performing at a level nobody ever expected them to be. Lebron on the other hand has been a prodigy and an athletic freak since he was 16.

Same thing with Usain Bolt

[Marchesk]

If you talk to the casual person, most will say baseball is the better sport.

Sure, but I never understood why. It's a boring ass sport, and is only interesting in the playoffs or when someone is chasing home run records.

[The Choken One]

LeBron has more than likely taken PEDs. You'd be insane to disagree.

I'm nearly positive Wade has to increase his healing, though I wouldn't truly classify that as a PED imo. Kobe is the same as Wade, the whole knee and Germany thing was sketchy, but who truly knows.

With that being said, most superstars today in major sports take PEDs. It's pretty obvious in the NFL, the MLB catches more players every day, and some of you truly believe PEDs isn't a big problem in the NBA? It's just not getting caught and/or people are acting oblivious to it.

[Marchesk]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Btw has this kicked into gear, becaaue Tyson Gay has been busted? Usain Bolt is reaching Armstrong level

[OldSkoolball#52]

But I'm saying, why not remove the ban?

Apologies if I was unclear. I don't think it should be used while banned, but the ban should be lifted.



Some PED's don't seem to have noticeable side effects if used appropriately/responsibly.

However by openly permitting them, you are basically opening the door for players to try and continually one-up each other by going heavier on the PED's, which certainly will have a health effect.

When you are actively prosecuting drug users, you indirectly limit how much they can realistically use because they're trying to be careful to avoid getting caught. If you lift the curtain completely, you are opening pandora's box for people to ruin their lives trying to out-do their professional competitors by taking more and more drugs.

[The Choken One]

Sure, but I never understood why. It's a boring ass sport, and is only interesting in the playoffs or when someone is chasing home run records.
Can't answer that for you, because I personally like the NBA much more(obviously).

But I've talked to a good amount of people and the typical reason to me is that the NBA is boring to a lot of people. It lacks skill in comparison to the NFL/MLB. When the casual person watches basketball, it's just blacks (no racist) running up and down the court dunking. When you think about it...they have a point.

EDIT: Usain Bolt isn't clean. Look at his country men, I forgot his name right now, but he's now basically the second fastest in the world and RIGHT behind Bolt. No way in hell I believe either of those kids are clean. Yohan Blake is his name.

[Marchesk]

specifics

None, I'm just making the obvious inference that since PEDs have been rampant in other sports, and they obviously do work, then it makes sense for basketball, the most athletic sport of all, to have the same issue.

Nobody really thinks football is clean (people just don't care much), and it's next in line for most athletic.

[R.I.P.]

Difference between Lebron and Armstrong, Bolt, Tyson Gay and the rest of those who cheated were guys who came outta nowhere and started performing at a level nobody ever expected them to be. Lebron on the other hand has been a prodigy and an athletic freak since he was 16.

Messi was given human growth hormones since he was a little boy. Now he

[AirFederer]

Ped's are rampant in the NBA; very weak testing and very much to gain. Even Rose said so.

[Doctor Rivers]

Almost no way Bolt is clean. He is a freak of nature, but clean guys don't come close to those times. No freaking way. He makes Ben Johnson look slow. LOL.

While I wouldn't be shocked if Bolt ever failed a drug test, I (cautiously) continue to believe he is clean. Like you said, he is a freak of nature: height + speed.

Also it's not like he just randomly started running fast times. Leading up to the 08 Olympics when he broke out his PRs were:

2001 - 21.73 (age 14)
2002 - 20.58 (age 15)
2003 - 20.13/45.35 (age 16)
2004 - 19.93 (age 17)
2005 - 19.99 (age 18)
2006 - 19.88/47.53 (age 19)
2007 - 19.75/45.28 (age 20)

[AirFederer]

:applause: [QUOTE=R.I.P.]Messi was given human growth hormones since he was a little boy. Now he

[Rysio]

lol at anyone believing that athletes who for most of the year travel every other day from city to city, play intense level of games 30+ minutes each game, practice everyday are fuking natural. a natural athlete would die from exhaustion from 1-2 weeks of that type of schedule.

[fpliii]

Some PED's don't seem to have noticeable side effects if used appropriately/responsibly.

However by openly permitting them, you are basically opening the door for players to try and continually one-up each other by going heavier on the PED's, which certainly will have a health effect.

When you are actively prosecuting drug users, you indirectly limit how much they can realistically use because they're trying to be careful to avoid getting caught. If you lift the curtain completely, you are opening pandora's box for people to ruin their lives trying to out-do their professional competitors by taking more and more drugs.

I don't necessarily agree that it would lead to an elevation of use of actual detrimental PED's that do not help with recovery. Whether or not that's the case though, that's not an issue. It's absolutely ridiculous to limit medical science. There's no justification whatsoever. If you mandate that the league approves use, and that it's performed by reputable doctors named by the league, there's zero reason not to allow HGH use. Lift the ****ing ban, and move forward already.

[Funnyfuka]

I think it's pretty interesting. It could have happened, but I doubt Lebron has done anything though. Lebron is a once in a decade athlete.
Who is on steroids and HGH.

[tpols]

Some PED's don't seem to have noticeable side effects if used appropriately/responsibly.

However by openly permitting them, you are basically opening the door for players to try and continually one-up each other by going heavier on the PED's, which certainly will have a health effect.

When you are actively prosecuting drug users, you indirectly limit how much they can realistically use because they're trying to be careful to avoid getting caught. If you lift the curtain completely, you are opening pandora's box for people to ruin their lives trying to out-do their professional competitors by taking more and more drugs.
That can be true for sports like track, cycling, hitting/pitching in baseball because the strength and endurance gains have a more noticeable effect.. Like being that much stronger will allow you to run faster and cycle harder but for basketball? That can only take you so far because it is a finesse game based on skills. There are a million guys who can run and jump out of the gym that don't have the right shot rythym or handles or rebounding instincts etc..

[unbreakable]

There are a million guys who can run and jump out of the gym that don't have the right shot rythym or handles or rebounding instincts etc..


and there are a million guys with lots of game who lack the strength/athleticism to play in the L... get it?

[Funnyfuka]

lol at anyone believing that athletes who for most of the year travel every other day from city to city, play intense level of games 30+ minutes each game, practice everyday are fuking natural. a natural athlete would die from exhaustion from 1-2 weeks of that type of schedule.

thanks. Still most people have no clue.

[tpols]

and there are a million guys with lots of game who lack the strength/athleticism to play in the L... get it?
Most of them lack the height.. Nothing you can do about that unless you were taking HGH supplements since before puberty.

Saying they're going to keep taking more and more crazy new supplements to get an edge would be true in running because it's purely how strong and flexible your whole body is. Basketball isn't.

Kevin Durant is number two in the league right now off height and a skilled jumper. What's roids gonna do for him? Recovery endurance types would help but he's good because of two things PED's aren't going to drastically improve.

I'm not saying it won't help.. It's just not totally necessary to be the best. When cycling hundreds of miles through mountains against lance? You 100 percent needed the drugs.. No amount of practice or skill honing could change that

[tomtucker]

Ped's are rampant in the NBA; very weak testing and very much to gain. Even Rose said so.

then he should take some

[Unbiased_one]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Btw has this kicked into gear, becaaue Tyson Gay has been busted? Usain Bolt is reaching Armstrong level

[R.I.P.]

The things that usain bolt has over his competitors (his stride length (mainly from height) and his abnormally fast stride rate for someone so tall) are things that simply don't come from doping.Not that I'm saying he's not juice up. Also bolt has been a freak since his early teens. He ran in junior worlds when he was fricking 15.

Of course there still has to be one that is naturally the most gifted, has the best PEDs, responds best to PEDs or has the most health daring PED programme. You cannot take every bum from the street and dope him to be a world class athlete. It

[dr.hee]

you think guys can train year round playing hoops and still maintain that kinda size/strength/athleticism while playing professional games every 2-3 nights? you sure iz dumb. :facepalm

im not ratting out lebron specifically.. theyre all on it.. and its naive young brats like yourself who refuse to see it

This. I mean it's not like PEDs really diminish the performances of world class athletes ( which is probably a big reason for people protecting their respective favourite superstar...projecting a stranger's successes onto your own because you sport his jersey and an avatar of his team becomes harder if he's deemed a "cheater" by certain standards), at least not to me.

[unbreakable]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Of course there still has to be one that is naturally the most gifted, has the best PEDs, responds best to PEDs or has the most health daring PED programme. You cannot take every bum from the street and dope him to be a world class athlete. It

[Unbiased_one]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Of course there still has to be one that is naturally the most gifted, has the best PEDs, responds best to PEDs or has the most health daring PED programme. You cannot take every bum from the street and dope him to be a world class athlete. It

[R.I.P.]

SO WHAT . cheating is cheating.

do professional athletes train their ass off? YES
do they cheat while doing so? YESSSSSSS!!!!!

why is that hard to understand, chumps?:coleman:

Did I say something else? :facepalm I only said that there still has to be one that finishes first, when everybody is doping, whether it is because he has the best natural physical parameters, responds best to PEDs or is the most daring with his programme. Where does it say that I approve of doping?

If you had followed the discussion, you

[Magic 32]

Like being that much stronger will allow you to run faster and cycle harder but for basketball? That can only take you so far because it is a finesse game based on skills.

Endurance is a HUGE bonus in basketball.

[R.I.P.]

Well obviously. It's certainly possible that bolt is doping, but I actually think it's much more likely that he isn't considering his pedigree and natural advantages over his competitors.

No it

[buddha]

I don't know about James, wouldn't surprise me if he was on some HGH, but Kobe is definitely taking something to recover from his achilles injury, guaranteed.

[Marchesk]

Well obviously. It's certainly possible that bolt is doping, but I actually think it's much more likely that he isn't considering his pedigree and natural advantages over his competitors.

If he was just winning, that would be one thing. But his times are off the charts. A 9.58? Granted, that was probably a fast track, but still. Looking a the top times, there are 20 all-time that are 9.79 or better. I can't believe any of those guys are clean. When Ben Johnson ran that time, it was mind-blowing. I'm not buying that sprinters can improve that much without doping.

I'm sure nutrition, better training, better shoes, and faster tracks make some difference. But 9.79 was pushing it back then, when Johnson was all doped up.

[tomtucker]

I don't know about James, wouldn't surprise me if he was on some HGH, but Kobe is definitely taking something to recover from his achilles injury, guaranteed.

lets all hope so :rockon:

[Magic 32]

I don't know about James, wouldn't surprise me if he was on some HGH, but Kobe is definitely taking something to recover from his achilles injury, guaranteed.

http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/MjAxMi00ZjkwNWRiMmQwYjU3OWI4.png

[dr.hee]

Endurance is a HUGE bonus in basketball.

Exactly. I know people that have competed internationally in winter sports ( in past decades when methods weren't as sophisticated as today), and they quit because they didn't want to take part in the whole PED thing anymore. I mean most fans take world class performances for granted and don't appreciate the price you pay physically. 82 games in a regular season pretty much means high intensity cardio with full contact team sports 2-3 days a week, constant traveling across the country in between, how are you supposed to gain and then maintain any significant muscle mass as a young player trying to establish yourself against all these athletic freaks?

[Unbiased_one]

If he was just winning, that would be one thing. But his times are off the charts. A 9.58? Granted, that was probably a fast track, but still. Looking a the top times, there are 20 all-time that are 9.79 or better. I can't believe any of those guys are clean. When Ben Johnson ran that time, it was mind-blowing. I'm not buying that sprinters can improve that much without doping.

I'm sure nutrition, better training, better shoes, and faster tracks make some difference. But 9.79 was pushing it back then, when Johnson was all doped up.

Just today powell and gay have been caught...

I'm just biased cause bolt is my favourite athlete. But he seriously is a freak of nature.

[GrapeApe]

The ignorance surrounding "PED's" is astonishing. It's an ambiguous statement but I'll leave it at that.

[Real Men Wear Green]

you think guys can train year round playing hoops and still maintain that kinda size/strength/athleticism while playing professional games every 2-3 nights? you sure iz dumb. :facepalm I sure would like to see some kind of proof, which there is none of. Pointing the finger with no evidence isn't exactly smart.


im not ratting out lebron specifically.. theyre all on it.. and its naive young brats like yourself who refuse to see it
I'm not sure which of us is older but only one of us has learned it stupid to make accusations sans evidence. "He's a great athlete, he must be doping" is the only thing you have to point at. Not good enough.

[inclinerator]

he shouldnt be singling out james, majority of pro athletes are on ped

[duskovujosevic]

next in line will be michael phelps. the very essence of doping

[Euroleague]

LJ recovering from what? He never been injured. and LJ plays in the Olympics who don't play around when it comes to testing

Every single person that says Olympics tests for the drugs is a certified moron.

The Olympics itself says it cannot detect any of the designer PEDs that USA athletes use.

[NumberSix]

LJ recovering from what? He never been injured. and LJ plays in the Olympics who don't play around when it comes to testing
Lol what? Is that why Carl Lewis was allowed to compete in 1988 AFTER failing the Olympic drug tests?:roll:

[Marchesk]

Just today powell and gay have been caught...

I'm just biased cause bolt is my favourite athlete. But he seriously is a freak of nature.

No doubt he is, but I'm calling BS on anyone running clean under 9.8. And look, two Jamaicans were busted- Powell and Sherone Simpson.

[Marchesk]

I'm not sure which of us is older but only one of us has learned it stupid to make accusations sans evidence. "He's a great athlete, he must be doping" is the only thing you have to point at. Not good enough.

I'm assuming all top athletes in the high profile sports are doping because too many high profile athletes claiming to be clean have been busted.

[duskovujosevic]

professional sport is a business. ban professional sport, and bring back amateur level of playing. find another way of entratainment for human race

[wlee43]

hey guys this guys claimed he's not using ped's too then got caught

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02190/alistairovereem_2190017b.jpg











everyone's using them

[abuC]

hey guys this guys claimed he's not using ped's too then got caught

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02190/alistairovereem_2190017b.jpg











everyone's using them


Anyone with sense knew he was on something, he gained like 50lbs of lean muscle in like 3 years, which isn't even remotely possible.

[StocktonFan]

Lebronze has more juice in him than juice it up

[duskovujosevic]

LBJ have whole periodic table of elements inside him and probably Dmitri Mendeleev whould envy him

[Euroleague]

The funniest thing about these kinds of discussions is all the people that get all pissy about it and start claiming there is no way a guy like LeBron could be doping, or that there is no evidence NBA would ever allow this or whatever....

It's truly amazing at how freaking stupid some people are.

[poido123]

The funniest thing about these kinds of discussions is all the people that get all pissy about it and start claiming there is no way a guy like LeBron could be doping, or that there is no evidence NBA would ever allow this or whatever....

It's truly amazing at how freaking stupid some people are.


Stupid starts with you Euroleague, it's truly amazing how stupid you are.

[dr.hee]

It's truly amazing at how freaking stupid some people are.

You mean like making up stories about Indiana and Philly offering Spanoulis a contract mentioning his specific role on the team, then forgetting the 2 teams you were using for your little story resulting in a new story of the Lakers and Mavs having made the offer? Which means now there are claims of 4 different teams giving Spanoulis offers, without a single source provided? Yeah, some guys are just idiots :lol

*insert generic Euroleague insult here, something like moron, pathological liar, piece of sh*t*

[DeuceWallaces]

I sure would like to see some kind of proof, which there is none of. Pointing the finger with no evidence isn't exactly smart.


I'm not sure which of us is older but only one of us has learned it stupid to make accusations sans evidence. "He's a great athlete, he must be doping" is the only thing you have to point at. Not good enough.

Most people in the thread aren't accusing anyone specifically. The NBA has some of the most lax and ridiculous testing policies. It's likely, given the large body of evidence in every other major sport in the world (including past cases in the NBA), that PED's of several varieties are pervasive throughout the NBA.

Your position appears to be one of the more bland and ignorant in the thread.

[The Iron Fist]

lol "baseball more popular than basketball" LOLOLOL
Basketball can be your favorite sport, but to say its more popular than baseball is just outright stupid.

[LongLiveTheKing]

What exactly is Lebron recovering from?

[red1]

I suspect that all of the stars have hgh as part of their regimen, however, anabolic steroid use I do not see

[red1]

kobe, lebron, wade - these guys have all used hgh at one point or another, I would put any money on that

[ShaqAttack3234]

I don't know why some fans continue to act like they know what these athletes have or haven't done. It wouldn't surprise me if Lebron has used PEDs, but there's no evidence that he has. PEDs are a big part of modern sports, and have been for decades, there's unquestionably many stars who have done them, but have never been caught or even accused of taking them. But for every one of the top athletes like that, there's many more average to below average pro athletes taking them that nobody cares about.

Honestly, I don't really care if Lebron has taken anything.

People often think their favorite player is above taking them, just like people tend to want anything negative to be true about their least favorite players. For example, look at baseball. David Ortiz was on that same 2003 positive test list A-Rod was, yet people have seemingly forgotten about it with Ortiz despite him never taking responsibility for it, while A-Rod will never hear the end of it. Part of that is because Rodriguez is simply a much more polarizing figure, while Ortiz is well liked.

[Kuma]

this guy is on roids
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/files/2010/09/os-orlando-magic-rashard-lewis-34.jpg

but this guy isnt
http://www.cavstheblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/lebron-james-3.jpg

nice logic, ISH

If you had any idea, even a slightly remote idea, about PEDs, then you'd know not to be dumb enough to use an eye-test to determine steroid use (unless it's completely obvious e.g. Olympia bodybuilders). There are plenty of dudes juiced up that weigh in at 180lbs dripping wet.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Most people in the thread aren't accusing anyone specifically. The NBA has some of the most lax and ridiculous testing policies. It's likely, given the large body of evidence in every other major sport in the world (including past cases in the NBA), that PED's of several varieties are pervasive throughout the NBA. And yet the best players in the NBA pass Olympic testing every single time. I did acknowledge that questioning NBA testing is fair but you all should acknowledge that baseless accusation is not.


Your position appears to be one of the more bland and ignorant in the thread.
Sorry you don't find my posts exciting. Perhaps you can drink some hot sauce with your bowl of shut the **** up?

[b0bab0i]

I know I'm on an NBA forum, but the numbers do not support your theory at all. MLB is reporting like 7billion in revenue with 500 million in profit. Meanwhile, the NBA generates 4 billion with million 200 in profit. The numbers are not even comparable. Even with players making more money in the MLB, there is just so much more money in the MLB than the NBA.

If you look at Forbes top 50 richest sports teams in the World, the NBA doesn't even grace it till #35 with the Lakers. Meanwhile both the Dodgers and the Yankees are in the top 10.

Also if you look at viewership, the World Series beats the NBA Finals in similar situations. This year, Game 7 of the finals drew a near-record of 18 million viewers. In 2011, Game 7 of the World Series drew over 25 million viewers.

Baseball is bigger than basketball from a view perspective as well as a money perspective. It's the #2 sports in America, no matter how you look at it.
Why are you comparing 2011 World Series to this years finals? Compare 2012 World Series.

[outbreak]

Anyone who watches pro sports based on athleticism, strength, power is kidding themselves if they think that some big players aren't using banned substances and if they believe they can identify who is using them purely based on how they look.

The common misconception people have is that you can tell who is taking what and that they take them to bulk up which is largely not done in a lot of pro sports. Most are taking them for recovery, fitness and blood and oxygen stuff that helps them perform better.

It's pretty common place in sports these days and the "well they passed the olympics tests" argument is stupid too, many people pass these tests only to be found out later, many people who have done this claim it's easy if their cycle is being handled and managed by people who know what their doing. Players being caught either mess up their cycle or have an occurrence where their bodies have done something odd.

Australian rules football has a problem on going now too, it's becoming widespread that most players are taking things, passing the drug tests, being supplied and handled by the clubs. I even herd the the guy running the league ,who went to school with my dad, was friends with my mums friends growing up, one of his brothers taught me at school, one of his brothers is involved in supplying banned substances to clubs.

Pro sports is full of this at the moment but noone has any incentive to bring it to light as it will just cause untold amounts of money loss for the leagues.

I'm not saying any player in particular does it, just that lots of them do.

[#number6ix#]

Innocent until proven guilty...Lance Armstrong just mad he got caught and ****ed his money up now he wants to bring everybody down.

[Horde of Temujin]

Basketball can be your favorite sport, but to say its more popular than baseball is just outright stupid.

It will be in another generation as white people constitute a lower percentage of the population.

I think it is slightly more popular among younger people. My nephew plays baseball and he along with some of his teammates even admit that it is boring.

[fpliii]

Why are you comparing 2011 World Series to this years finals? Compare 2012 World Series.

Last 10 years (Nielsen Ratings, included 2003 since the WS isn't until later this year):

MLB WS
2013 N/A
2012 7.6
2011 10.0
2010 8.4
2009 11.7
2008 8.4
2007 10.6
2006 10.1
2005 11.1
2004 15.8
2003 12.8

NBA Finals
2013 10.4
2012 10.1
2011 10.2
2010 10.6
2009 8.4
2008 9.3
2007 6.2
2006 8.5
2005 8.2
2004 11.5
2003 6.5

Baseball is trending downward, basketball is trending upwards.

[Frozen1]

I don't think they use steroids. But i think nba players use "lighter" PED's, mainly for muscle recover and anti pain stuff.

How do you think lebron plays 82 games + playoffs without injuries or even without drops on stamina or athleticism?

[Funnyfuka]

I don't think they use steroids. But i think nba players use "lighter" PED's, mainly for muscle recover and anti pain stuff.

How do you think lebron plays 82 games + playoffs without injuries or even without drops on stamina or athleticism?

Because he s a "genetic freak" :lol :roll: :facepalm

[duskovujosevic]

LBJ marketing machinery puppet, and PED user

[ProfessorMurder]

It will be in another generation as white people constitute a lower percentage of the population.

I think it is slightly more popular among younger people. My nephew plays baseball and he along with some of his teammates even admit that it is boring.

Baseball is very generational, most people under 35 couldn't give a f*ck no matter what race they are.

[yobore]

But I'm saying, why not remove the ban?

Apologies if I was unclear. I don't think it should be used while banned, but the ban should be lifted.
As a cycling fan I'll tell you why:

Because it's easier to outright ban and test for NO presence whatsoever than to make some legal threshhold that is deemed safe. And if you let it go completely unrestricted the sport will become not "who is the best among these athletes" but "who is the best among the suicidal athletes" because this is what has happened in cycling in a few of their most doped periods. The situation escalates to the point where cyclists who try to stay clean could never make it on a top-level team. Some amateur might be the greatest cyclist but if he's unwilling to risk his health he won't make it.

BTW for anyone not following Tour De France this year it's funny all this PED stuff is coming out in other sports when another Pharmstrong-like cyclist has emerged at the top, doped to the gills with all of his countrymen (British this time) in full blinders talking about improvements in training.

[33teeth]

LJ recovering from what? He never been injured. and LJ plays in the Olympics who don't play around when it comes to testing

Ugh. Many dopers have been in the Olympics. Armstrong was in the Olympics.

[fpliii]

As a cycling fan I'll tell you why:

Because it's easier to outright ban and test for NO presence whatsoever than to make some legal threshhold that is deemed safe. And if you let it go completely unrestricted the sport will become not "who is the best among these athletes" but "who is the best among the suicidal athletes" because this is what has happened in cycling in a few of their most doped periods. The situation escalates to the point where cyclists who try to stay clean could never make it on a top-level team. Some amateur might be the greatest cyclist but if he's unwilling to risk his health he won't make it.

BTW for anyone not following Tour De France this year it's funny all this PED stuff is coming out in other sports when another Pharmstrong-like cyclist has emerged at the top, doped to the gills with all of his countrymen (British this time) in full blinders talking about improvements in training.

I'm talking strictly HGH, read my previous posts. Do you feel the same?

[wang4three]

Why are you comparing 2011 World Series to this years finals? Compare 2012 World Series.

We have to compare similar situations. The 2012 World Series was a sweep, so obviously there would be less viewers. Whereas the 2011 World Series was 7 games, like this years Finals. Have to compare apples to apples. Comparing a 7 game series to a 4 game series on the sole basis of year makes little sense. You can compare the 2012 World Series to the 2007 NBA finals. Both 4 game sweeps and you'll see that the WS trumps that as well.

[DStebb716]

I don't put any stock into anything that one of the biggest liars in sports history says.

[wang4three]

Last 10 years (Nielsen Ratings, included 2003 since the WS isn't until later this year):

MLB WS
2013 N/A
2012 7.6
2011 10.0
2010 8.4
2009 11.7
2008 8.4
2007 10.6
2006 10.1
2005 11.1
2004 15.8
2003 12.8

NBA Finals
2013 10.4
2012 10.1
2011 10.2
2010 10.6
2009 8.4
2008 9.3
2007 6.2
2006 8.5
2005 8.2
2004 11.5
2003 6.5

Baseball is trending downward, basketball is trending upwards.

While the Nielsen rating is a measure of interest and viewership, there is still a lot of criticism of how it's calculated. I don't particularly like it and it appears to be outdated considering today's environment. Especially considering that it's calculated in part by people recording their own TV habits which leads to selection and response bias.

In the end, I'll go by total viewership reported instead of the Neilsen ratings. While I have no doubt that baseball may be losing viewers, we cannot discount that they still get way more views than the NBA. A low point in baseball views would be considered a high in the NBA.

[Euroleague]

And yet the best players in the NBA pass Olympic testing every single time. I did acknowledge that questioning NBA testing is fair but you all should acknowledge that baseless accusation is not.


Sorry you don't find my posts exciting. Perhaps you can drink some hot sauce with your bowl of shut the **** up?

Olympics itself says it CANNOT detect the current drugs. You are spreading around disinformation.

[outbreak]

Baseball is very generational, most people under 35 couldn't give a f*ck no matter what race they are.

generalisation on your friendship group? I'm not a baseball fan but i know plenty of people over in australia who follow the MLB religiously. Also whenever I watch it it seems well attended by all age groups. I'm sure some areas of america and some types of people like it more than others but it isn't just a sport for people over 35.

It's like cricket is in that to the observer who doesn't know all the ins and outs and the subtle things going on it may appear boring, but once you learn more about the game in depth there's lots happening you don't notice. My girlfriend hated cricket until I explained all the field settings, batting and bowling tactics going on, what they were working towards or planning. Same goes for me and baseball, I hated it as a kid and thought it was boring as hell until I watched a game with a mate who knew the subtle things happening and explained more to me. They aren't as instantly accessible as highlight sports like basketball. Hell I know plenty of people who watch basketball and tell me it's just back and forth and like one team has a go then the other has a go.

[Bernie Nips]

Basketball requires a lot more than just being good at exercising. Usain Bolt wouldn't be an NBA player, even though he'd be a better athlete than 99.99999% of the players.

[monkeypox]

Olympics itself says it CANNOT detect the current drugs. You are spreading around disinformation.


Hate to agree with you but it's true. Olympic testing is very easy to pass if you know what you're doing. PED's are so far ahead of the testing that it's almost comical. An athlete can inject a slow release pellet that will give them a boost for only as many hours as the athlete wants. After that it's completely gone and undetectable. Even if a random test came up and it happened to be right after they injected, they can deny a test for any reason up to three times a year with no repercussions. The only reason why people ever get caught is because they think they're going to come up clean or because they're noobs. There's a reason why testing is considered an IQ test more than anything.

[ihoopallday]

Hate to agree with you but it's true. Olympic testing is very easy to pass if you know what you're doing. PED's are so far ahead of the testing that it's almost comical. An athlete can inject a slow release pellet that will give them a boost for only as many hours as the athlete wants. After that it's completely gone and undetectable. Even if a random test came up and it happened to be right after they injected, they can deny a test for any reason up to three times a year with no repercussions. The only reason why people ever get caught is because they think they're going to come up clean or because they're noobs. There's a reason why testing is considered an IQ test more than anything.

Wow, that's interesting. Good post.

[PickernRoller]

It's obvious James is on PEDs. Dude does all kind of sh1t that comes his way. From street drugs to PEDs - you name it, he has them.

A shortcut inside a shortcut. Dude's the most overrated star ever in the history of the NBA.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Olympics itself says it CANNOT detect the current drugs. You are spreading around disinformation.
What did I write that wasn't true? You are certainly an expert on "disinformation" though, I'll say that. But let's recap:
James, Wade, Bryant, etc. pass the NBA tests, pass the Olympic tests, aren't tied to BALCo or this new guy in Florida ratting out all the MLB stars. So, where's the prrof? They certainly may be on something but it's much like me saying you smoke crack: You're only proof is their abilities and my only proof is your insane posts.

[Euroleague]

What did I write that wasn't true? You are certainly an expert on "disinformation" though, I'll say that. But let's recap:
James, Wade, Bryant, etc. pass the NBA tests, pass the Olympic tests, aren't tied to BALCo or this new guy in Florida ratting out all the MLB stars. So, where's the prrof? They certainly may be on something but it's much like me saying you smoke crack: You're only proof is their abilities and my only proof is your insane posts.

What you wrote that is NOT true is that "passing a test" means the players do not take PEDs.

You are either an NBA employee, or a true imbecile, or most probably BOTH.

[Real Men Wear Green]

What you wrote that is NOT true is that "passing a test" means the players do not take PEDs.And here you're just lying. What I have repeatedly said is that there is no evidence of the guilt of these NBA stars. And that's the truth.

[outbreak]

And here you're just lying. What I have repeatedly said is that there is no evidence of the guilt of these NBA stars. And that's the truth.
I agree with both of you in this argument, euro is right (for once) that the tests don't mean anything, but you are right in that until these players fail a test or get caught with a car full of banned substances then their considered innocent. Need to look at it from a perspective view of yes lots of players do this, but no we can't name any specific players until their is evidence.

[PickernRoller]

http://i43.tinypic.com/qsledu.jpg

[Jax]

Seems legit. Recovery from what injury? If he means soreness or something of sort, never heard of PED's for daily recovery since NBA players play and/or practice nearly every day during the season, plus olympics and the strict BLOOD testings they do.
Looks like someone is trying to get attention, not talking about Lance.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Ahhhhhhh the ignorance of ISH. Why do so many of you feel qualified to speak about these drugs you know absolutely nothing about? And for the record, if the NBA, or any league, cared about PEDs they would use biological passports and eliminate the issue.

[The Choken One]

And here you're just lying. What I have repeatedly said is that there is no evidence of the guilt of these NBA stars. And that's the truth.
You're a legit lunatic if you truly believe the NBA is clean while EVERY other major sport has PED problems.

:banghead:

[Euroleague]

And here you're just lying. What I have repeatedly said is that there is no evidence of the guilt of these NBA stars. And that's the truth.

BULLSHIT there is no evidence. Yes, you definitely are an NBA employee.

[Euroleague]

Seems legit. Recovery from what injury? If he means soreness or something of sort, never heard of PED's for daily recovery since NBA players play and/or practice nearly every day during the season, plus olympics and the strict BLOOD testings they do.
Looks like someone is trying to get attention, not talking about Lance.

Where in the hell do you people come up with this shit?

[The Iron Fist]

It will be in another generation as white people constitute a lower percentage of the population.

I think it is slightly more popular among younger people. My nephew plays baseball and he along with some of his teammates even admit that it is boring.
:biggums:

:facepalm

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Yea, just white people watch and participate in baseball. :roll:

[juju151111]

You're a legit lunatic if you truly believe the NBA is clean while EVERY other major sport has PED problems.

:banghead:
Nba is not clean. Lower level players like reshard Lewis got caught. The fact is no mega star has been linked or tested positive for peds

[Akhenaten]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Btw has this kicked into gear, becaaue Tyson Gay has been busted? Usain Bolt is reaching Armstrong level

[Flash31]

That can be true for sports like track, cycling, hitting/pitching in baseball because the strength and endurance gains have a more noticeable effect.. Like being that much stronger will allow you to run faster and cycle harder but for basketball? That can only take you so far because it is a finesse game based on skills. There are a million guys who can run and jump out of the gym that don't have the right shot rythym or handles or rebounding instincts etc..


Blake,Deandre,Dwight,Rose,Westbrook,Ibaka,Terrence Ross,
MWP,JJ Redick,Chandler,Andre I

nearly all of these guys,their stats and domination is due in part to their athleticism
and some of them the weight gain or body fat,how ripped they are is insane

Dwight in 2 years gained 70 pounds of MUSCLE
JJ Redick was bigger than most of the league
going from 180 pounds to 230 pounds
Ibaka gained 20 pounds of MUSCLE in 2-3 MONTHS,Even with the hardest of diets and exercise if you are already a decent size that is not possible
Rose looks like he has almost 0 bodyfat on him and was freakishly athletic
MWP looks like a ripped tank

Maybe theyre not taking anything but a lot of it is highly suspicous

Kobe going to Germany and gaining 20 pounds of muscle in offseason
MWP comng back from a 6-9 month injury in 3 weeks
JJ Redick bigger than nearly all nba players

Like 4-5 players from that 2009 Magic team got busted and they were starters and were putting up stats and had athleticism
Arenas,Turkoglu,Rashard, and then you look at how big Dwight and JJ got in a very short period of time


Now either the NBA is full of gentic freaks who can look like a bodybuilder and have 0% fat in an extremely short time
or somehow they all have the genes of Ronnie Coleman and Christian Bale weight differences easily
or theyre using

And its not just now,
look at Nate Thurmond in the 70s,Karl Malone,Robinson,Spudd Webb who was 5'4 185 pounds and had a 50 inch vertical

Nowadays an athlete gains 15-25 pounds of muscle in 2-3 months people dont look at it,or athletes healing abnormally fast
Adrian Peterson,MWP,Blake,Kobe,MWP its understandable somewhat but some of these gains and how quick some of them come back and their athleticism come on

Lance was "supposedly clean" for over 13 years,Marion Jones never got caught for almost a decade,
Ben Johnson was destroying people but the again so was the US winner just that got covered up,

Nearly over 85% of cyclists got busted

Tyson Gay just got busted

over 35-40% of MLB players wre caught

those arent just coincidences

Alot of NBA players are losing hair quicker than normal,a lot of them have shoulder,quad,leg injuries

alot of them are freakish athletes for a very long time

Coincidence maybe,but come on

With Refs getting busted for rigging games which still go on today,with David Stern deflecting questions about legitimacy f draft and referring
with alot of athletes saying there is rampant drug use in NBA
come on

4 BILLION in NBA,Global Brand,and the way games andeverything is set up they only care about money and STARS,not one star has gotten busted,not one

and yet we have 30-40 supporting players getting busted while the stars are all good and their athleticism is way better

[yobore]

biological passports and eliminate the issue
unfortunately that doesn't seem to do the trick as seen in this years TDF

[PickernRoller]

Blake,Deandre,Dwight,Rose,Westbrook,Ibaka,Terrence Ross,
MWP,JJ Redick,Chandler,Andre I

nearly all of these guys,their stats and domination is due in part to their athleticism
and some of them the weight gain or body fat,how ripped they are is insane

Dwight in 2 years gained 70 pounds of MUSCLE
JJ Redick was bigger than most of the league
going from 180 pounds to 230 pounds
Ibaka gained 20 pounds of MUSCLE in 2-3 MONTHS,Even with the hardest of diets and exercise if you are already a decent size that is not possible
Rose looks like he has almost 0 bodyfat on him and was freakishly athletic
MWP looks like a ripped tank

Maybe theyre not taking anything but a lot of it is highly suspicous

Kobe going to Germany and gaining 20 pounds of muscle in offseason
MWP comng back from a 6-9 month injury in 3 weeks
JJ Redick bigger than nearly all nba players

Like 4-5 players from that 2009 Magic team got busted and they were starters and were putting up stats and had athleticism
Arenas,Turkoglu,Rashard, and then you look at how big Dwight and JJ got in a very short period of time


Now either the NBA is full of gentic freaks who can look like a bodybuilder and have 0% fat in an extremely short time
or somehow they all have the genes of Ronnie Coleman and Christian Bale weight differences easily
or theyre using

And its not just now,
look at Nate Thurmond in the 70s,Karl Malone,Robinson,Spudd Webb who was 5'4 185 pounds and had a 50 inch vertical

Nowadays an athlete gains 15-25 pounds of muscle in 2-3 months people dont look at it,or athletes healing abnormally fast
Adrian Peterson,MWP,Blake,Kobe,MWP its understandable somewhat but some of these gains and how quick some of them come back and their athleticism come on

Lance was "supposedly clean" for over 13 years,Marion Jones never got caught for almost a decade,
Ben Johnson was destroying people but the again so was the US winner just that got covered up,

Nearly over 85% of cyclists got busted

Tyson Gay just got busted

over 35-40% of MLB players wre caught

those arent just coincidences

Alot of NBA players are losing hair quicker than normal,a lot of them have shoulder,quad,leg injuries

alot of them are freakish athletes for a very long time

Coincidence maybe,but come on

With Refs getting busted for rigging games which still go on today,with David Stern deflecting questions about legitimacy f draft and referring
with alot of athletes saying there is rampant drug use in NBA
come on

4 BILLION in NBA,Global Brand,and the way games andeverything is set up they only care about money and STARS,not one star has gotten busted,not one

and yet we have 30-40 supporting players getting busted while the stars are all good and their athleticism is way better

I failed to find Lebron in this book of yours. Coincidence? Certainly not. :lol

Strong doses of Kobe....

[Horde of Temujin]

:biggums:

:facepalm

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Yea, just white people watch and participate in baseball. :roll:



Still, younger fans seem more drawn to other sports, said a recent report by the ConvergEx Group, a trading and investment company that uses baseball attendance as an economic indicator.

[outbreak]

[QUOTE=Horde of Temujin]Still, younger fans seem more drawn to other sports, said a recent report by the ConvergEx Group, a trading and investment company that uses baseball attendance as an economic indicator.

[Flash31]

I failed to find Lebron in this book of yours. Coincidence? Certainly not. :lol

Strong doses of Kobe....


well it is suspicous of kobe

but again i didnt go through or name everybody
LeBron very well could be as well

losing his hairline at early 20s
built like a tank
Rarely injured or tired


but I fail to find one post of yours where you dont
have kobes nuts in your mouth or hating
on lebron

coincidence or could it be unadultered love towards kobe

[Euroleague]

Blake,Deandre,Dwight,Rose,Westbrook,Ibaka,Terrence Ross,
MWP,JJ Redick,Chandler,Andre I

nearly all of these guys,their stats and domination is due in part to their athleticism
and some of them the weight gain or body fat,how ripped they are is insane

Dwight in 2 years gained 70 pounds of MUSCLE
JJ Redick was bigger than most of the league
going from 180 pounds to 230 pounds
Ibaka gained 20 pounds of MUSCLE in 2-3 MONTHS,Even with the hardest of diets and exercise if you are already a decent size that is not possible
Rose looks like he has almost 0 bodyfat on him and was freakishly athletic
MWP looks like a ripped tank

Maybe theyre not taking anything but a lot of it is highly suspicous

Kobe going to Germany and gaining 20 pounds of muscle in offseason
MWP comng back from a 6-9 month injury in 3 weeks
JJ Redick bigger than nearly all nba players

Like 4-5 players from that 2009 Magic team got busted and they were starters and were putting up stats and had athleticism
Arenas,Turkoglu,Rashard, and then you look at how big Dwight and JJ got in a very short period of time


Now either the NBA is full of gentic freaks who can look like a bodybuilder and have 0% fat in an extremely short time
or somehow they all have the genes of Ronnie Coleman and Christian Bale weight differences easily
or theyre using

And its not just now,
look at Nate Thurmond in the 70s,Karl Malone,Robinson,Spudd Webb who was 5'4 185 pounds and had a 50 inch vertical

Nowadays an athlete gains 15-25 pounds of muscle in 2-3 months people dont look at it,or athletes healing abnormally fast
Adrian Peterson,MWP,Blake,Kobe,MWP its understandable somewhat but some of these gains and how quick some of them come back and their athleticism come on

Lance was "supposedly clean" for over 13 years,Marion Jones never got caught for almost a decade,
Ben Johnson was destroying people but the again so was the US winner just that got covered up,

Nearly over 85% of cyclists got busted

Tyson Gay just got busted

over 35-40% of MLB players wre caught

those arent just coincidences

Alot of NBA players are losing hair quicker than normal,a lot of them have shoulder,quad,leg injuries

alot of them are freakish athletes for a very long time

Coincidence maybe,but come on

With Refs getting busted for rigging games which still go on today,with David Stern deflecting questions about legitimacy f draft and referring
with alot of athletes saying there is rampant drug use in NBA
come on

4 BILLION in NBA,Global Brand,and the way games andeverything is set up they only care about money and STARS,not one star has gotten busted,not one

and yet we have 30-40 supporting players getting busted while the stars are all good and their athleticism is way better

Logic. Of course, in this forum, now that you have proven you have logic, you will be hated.

Just wait to see how the trolls tear you up, after you used logic and actual reasoning, something that is hated by the typical ISH poster, with their low 70s IQs.

[Horde of Temujin]

you do realise that just because tv shows black people in ghettos and asians delivering fast food there is a large portion of them who are middle class? And that this is only talking about the fan base within america and not world wide? and that there is a lot of asian, mexian, lantin's and the like in the league

I'll bother to look up statistics another but im fairly certain that the vast majority of "middle to upper class baby boomers" as referenced to in the article are white.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You're a legit lunatic if you truly believe the NBA is clean while EVERY other major sport has PED problems.

:banghead:
You're as dumb as Euroleague if that's what you read into my statement. "There is no proof." That is all I have been saying. I don't think it's responsible to be making all of these accusations because you think some guy has too much muscle. This thread's OP criticizes the media for not going after NBA stars for doping. So I have been pointing out there is nothing for the media to go on aside from the tests that these players keep on passing. There is no story for all you conspiracy buffs until we see some real proof. That's why this is only being discussed on message boards like this one where people like you can write whatever pops into your head without getting sued for libel.

[Euroleague]

You're as dumb as Euroleague if that's what you read into my statement. "There is no proof." That is all I have been saying. I don't think it's responsible to be making all of these accusations because you think some guy has too much muscle. This thread's OP criticizes the media for not going after NBA stars for doping. So I have been pointing out there is nothing for the media to go on aside from the tests that these players keep on passing. There is no story for all you conspiracy buffs until we see some real proof. That's why this is only being discussed on message boards like this one where people like you can write whatever pops into your head without getting sued for libel.

They are not passing tests. You just make that up. The tests either don't test at all for PEDs (NBA), or happen with MONTHS of warning (NBA) or happen once a year (NBA), OR do NOT have the ability to detect ANY designer PEDs according to the people doing the testing (Olympics).

Not to mention that numerous Olympics athletes passed all the tests at the Olympics, then AFTER that admitted they doped, NOT being "caught". They admitted it themselves, and never once ever failed a single test.

You turn this around into made up fantasy bullshit, and claim "no one is failing any tests".................FOR PEDS

They are NOT being tested for PEDs genius.

As for libel, the NBA would never sue for something they know is true and would get exposed in court. Their ass would lose, then they would have a media scandal, then they would get the hell counter sued out of them.

Or were you unaware now that Lance Armstrong actually is in trouble for trying to sue people that said he was doping? How did that workout for Lance?

[Real Men Wear Green]

They are not passing tests. You just make that up. The tests either don't test at all for PEDs (NBA), or happen with MONTHS of warning (NBA) or happen once a year (NBA), OR do NOT have the ability to detect ANY designer PEDs according to the people doing the testing (Olympics).

Not to mention that numerous Olympics athletes passed all the tests at the Olympics, then AFTER that admitted they doped, NOT being "caught". They admitted it themselves, and never once ever failed a single test.

You turn this around into made up fantasy bullshit, and claim "no one is failing any tests".................FOR PEDS

They are NOT being tested for PEDs genius.
Nowhere in this see of assumption do you point out where they are failing tests. You are just complaining about the system. There are probably NBA ploayers cheating (is that what you idiots needed to hear me say?). But there isn't any proof. And no, your ranting is not proof. At most, all we can say is the NBA isn't doing all it can to bust cheaters.

[Rose'sACL]

anyone who still cares about PED use in any big sport is just an idiot. Pretty much all the players in big sports make so much money that i am sure all of them are using the best PEDs available which makes the playing field equal for everyone.
any NBA player who isn't complete shit makes millions so i have no idea why anyone would have any problem with PED use in NBA. May be fans of sports where only the top 20-30 players are paid in millions should worry about things like these.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

I guess the procedure would have to be performed in a medical setting (maybe only by approval on a case-by-case basis by a league arbitrator). Guys aren't forced to dope, but if it's permitted everyone will have the chance to recover.

It has nothing to do with pressuring kids. If the technology is out there, and there aren't any negative repercussions down the line health-wise, why not allow the best medical science to help guys heal? Other than the possibility of some side effects being discovered eventually, there is no argument against in my mind. Not in the slightest.

It will never be permitted because they destroy your body in the long run and give you health complications.

Lance Armstrong's testicular cancer was a direct result of his PED abuse.


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Anabolic Androgen Steroid (AAS), classified by the World Health Organization (WHO) as probably carcinogenic to humans.

[DCL]

lance armstrong is a bitter and butthurt man.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

anyone who still cares about PED use in any big sport is just an idiot. Pretty much all the players in big sports make so much money that i am sure all of them are using the best PEDs available which makes the playing field equal for everyone.
any NBA player who isn't complete shit makes millions so i have no idea why anyone would have any problem with PED use in NBA. May be fans of sports where only the top 20-30 players are paid in millions should worry about things like these.

Because it's a harmful drug that should never be taken for recreational activity enhancement.

Anabolic steroids are strictly for use in certain situations to treat specific illnesses and they are prescribed by a doctor, in much smaller tiny doses than athletes need, they are used only in the short term, and monitored closely.

We don't want people/children/athletes to think this is normal. It's not. They destroy your body.

[tpols]

Blake,Deandre,Dwight,Rose,Westbrook,Ibaka,Terrence Ross,
MWP,JJ Redick,Chandler,Andre I

nearly all of these guys,their stats and domination is due in part to their athleticism
and some of them the weight gain or body fat,how ripped they are is insane

Dwight in 2 years gained 70 pounds of MUSCLE
JJ Redick was bigger than most of the league
going from 180 pounds to 230 pounds
Ibaka gained 20 pounds of MUSCLE in 2-3 MONTHS,Even with the hardest of diets and exercise if you are already a decent size that is not possible
Rose looks like he has almost 0 bodyfat on him and was freakishly athletic
MWP looks like a ripped tank

Maybe theyre not taking anything but a lot of it is highly suspicous

Kobe going to Germany and gaining 20 pounds of muscle in offseason
MWP comng back from a 6-9 month injury in 3 weeks
JJ Redick bigger than nearly all nba players

Like 4-5 players from that 2009 Magic team got busted and they were starters and were putting up stats and had athleticism
Arenas,Turkoglu,Rashard, and then you look at how big Dwight and JJ got in a very short period of time


Now either the NBA is full of gentic freaks who can look like a bodybuilder and have 0% fat in an extremely short time
or somehow they all have the genes of Ronnie Coleman and Christian Bale weight differences easily
or theyre using

And its not just now,
look at Nate Thurmond in the 70s,Karl Malone,Robinson,Spudd Webb who was 5'4 185 pounds and had a 50 inch vertical

Nowadays an athlete gains 15-25 pounds of muscle in 2-3 months people dont look at it,or athletes healing abnormally fast
Adrian Peterson,MWP,Blake,Kobe,MWP its understandable somewhat but some of these gains and how quick some of them come back and their athleticism come on

Lance was "supposedly clean" for over 13 years,Marion Jones never got caught for almost a decade,
Ben Johnson was destroying people but the again so was the US winner just that got covered up,

Nearly over 85% of cyclists got busted

Tyson Gay just got busted

over 35-40% of MLB players wre caught

those arent just coincidences

Alot of NBA players are losing hair quicker than normal,a lot of them have shoulder,quad,leg injuries

alot of them are freakish athletes for a very long time

Coincidence maybe,but come on

With Refs getting busted for rigging games which still go on today,with David Stern deflecting questions about legitimacy f draft and referring
with alot of athletes saying there is rampant drug use in NBA
come on

4 BILLION in NBA,Global Brand,and the way games andeverything is set up they only care about money and STARS,not one star has gotten busted,not one

and yet we have 30-40 supporting players getting busted while the stars are all good and their athleticism is way better
I'm not saying they aren't using PED's.. The league is loaded with them guaranteed.

I'm saying I don't care all that much because to be good at basketball.. Or great at basketball.. You need much more than to just be a super athlete. All those guys you mention aren't even the best.

Blake is the most athletic of them all.. And his game falls off in the playoffs because he doesn't have the skill to back it up. You still always need the skill and decision making.

In track what decisions are to be made? Are there any skills to master? Nope it's just how fast you can run.. And PED's are much more impactful to the fairness.

[deja vu]

anyone who still cares about PED use in any big sport is just an idiot. Pretty much all the players in big sports make so much money that i am sure all of them are using the best PEDs available which makes the playing field equal for everyone.
any NBA player who isn't complete shit makes millions so i have no idea why anyone would have any problem with PED use in NBA. May be fans of sports where only the top 20-30 players are paid in millions should worry about things like these.
PEDs and steroids are harmful to the human body, that's why they should be banned or at least regulated for some cases. So you won't have a problem with athletes destroying their bodies just to perform better? Why not ban these substances altogether so that there will be a level playing field?

I think the reason why more and more athletes are taking PEDs is because they see or know someone (most likely a competitor) taking these substances and seeing that they give them an unfair advantage. So they take PEDs too so that they won't be left behind. They'll be like "F*ck this shit, Mr. X is stronger and faster now, so I'll take PEDs too." Add to that the fact that it's very tough to catch these cheats with all those hard to detect designer drugs, so they think that nobody can catch them too.

[outbreak]

PEDs and steroids are harmful to the human body, that's why they should be banned or at least regulated for some cases. So you won't have a problem with athletes destroying their bodies just to perform better? Why not ban these substances altogether so that there will be a level playing field?

I think the reason why more and more athletes are taking PEDs is because they see or know someone (most likely a competitor) taking these substances and seeing that they give them an unfair advantage. So they take PEDs too so that they won't be left behind. They'll be like "F*ck this shit, Mr. X is stronger and faster now, so I'll take PEDs too." Add to that the fact that it's very tough to catch these cheats with all those hard to detect designer drugs, so they think that nobody can catch them too.


Speaking from what people I know who worked with one of our football clubs here that has been in a scandal lately with PED's, there's a culture and pressure to do them in pro sports these days aswell. Similar to how you can't turn up at your practice facility in a good but not flashy car there's a culture where if your not doing what your team mates are doing you won't last long.
Saying their making millions let them do the drugs isn't right either as it will flow down to kids who will think it's acceptable and take dangerous substances at a young age to try and compete. If an impressionable teen baller here's xxx player takes things to get to where they are at they will try to do it to and likely without the trainers and medical staff to support them which is even worse.

[DMAVS41]

I'm not saying they aren't using PED's.. The league is loaded with them guaranteed.

I'm saying I don't care all that much because to be good at basketball.. Or great at basketball.. You need much more than to just be a super athlete. All those guys you mention aren't even the best.

Blake is the most athletic of them all.. And his game falls off in the playoffs because he doesn't have the skill to back it up. You still always need the skill and decision making.

In track what decisions are to be made? Are there any skills to master? Nope it's just how fast you can run.. And PED's are much more impactful to the fairness.

It's about way more than that though.

You could have two relatively equal basketball players and one of them is a user and the other isn't. One recovers much better in the playoffs after hard fought games and is able to play at a higher level when he's worn down after the first two rounds of the playoffs or something. Or one is 15% fresher in a game 7...etc.

It matters a lot and it's cheating.

You are right that they won't make you good at basketball...and clearly the matter more in track and stuff, but it's missing the point to talk about that. It's about recovery and such...

[tpols]

It's about way more than that though.

You could have two relatively equal basketball players and one of them is a user and the other isn't. One recovers much better in the playoffs after hard fought games and is able to play at a higher level when he's worn down after the first two rounds of the playoffs or something. Or one is 15% fresher in a game 7...etc.

It matters a lot and it's cheating.

You are right that they won't make you good at basketball...and clearly the matter more in track and stuff, but it's missing the point to talk about that. It's about recovery and such...
It's to the point now that they're being coached through it by medical experts.. I don't care if a player takes some type of recovery drug if they want to.. Players used to play coked and methed out 20 years ago.. Ancient sports like with Aztec used to load up on whatever their herbal ingredients were to get high as he'll and fight/play. People have always used drugs for strength in battle/competition. Now it's even safer than before.

If someone decides they want to take PED's solely as a shortcut let them do it. No matter what you still could've gotten even better by shooting 1000 jumpers a day and critiquing film. If you do both.. Like Kobe with the german procedures, always honing skill, watching game tape to the better? More power to you.. You're doing everything in your power to become a better player.

Not like Kobe is going to morph into a retired boxer or lineman in 10 years and suffer all sorts of physical problems. If anything moderate doses of PED's and cell transplants only got him stronger.

[DMAVS41]

It's to the point now that they're being coached through it by medical experts.. I don't care if a player takes some type of recovery drug if they want to.. Players used to play coked and methed out 20 years ago.. Ancient sports like with Aztec used to load up on whatever their herbal ingredients were to get high as he'll and fight/play. People have always used drugs for strength in battle/competition. Now it's even safer than before.

If someone decides they want to take PED's solely as a shortcut let them do it. No matter what you still could've gotten even better by shooting 1000 jumpers a day and critiquing film. If you do both.. Like Kobe with the german procedures, always honing skill, watching game tape to the better? More power to you.. You're doing everything in your power to become a better player.

Not like Kobe is going to morph into a retired boxer or lineman in 10 years and suffer all sorts of physical problems. If anything moderate doses of PED's and cell transplants only got him stronger.

I agree with this mostly, but breaking the rules is different.

Any player that is taking something that is illegal or banned...is cheating. And getting an unfair advantage over another player who isn't.

Think about Rashard Lewis in the 09 playoffs. Dude was juicing and happened to be playing the best ball of his career. Just for fun, lets assume nobody on the Cavs was juicing. Lewis cheating would then be huge...it literally could have changed NBA history if he wasn't. Who knows...but we do know that he was taking a banned substance and also playing the best ball of his career. If he plays just slightly worse the Cavs probably win that series.

The point is that it's cheating. And unless everyone can do it...it's not right. Comparing it to working hard and practicing is just idiotic.

[tpols]

I agree with this mostly, but breaking the rules is different.

Any player that is taking something that is illegal or banned...is cheating. And getting an unfair advantage over another player who isn't.

Think about Rashard Lewis in the 09 playoffs. Dude was juicing and happened to be playing the best ball of his career. Just for fun, lets assume nobody on the Cavs was juicing. Lewis cheating would then be huge...it literally could have changed NBA history if he wasn't. Who knows...but we do know that he was taking a banned substance and also playing the best ball of his career. If he plays just slightly worse the Cavs probably win that series.

The point is that it's cheating. And unless everyone can do it...it's not right. Comparing it to working hard and practicing is just idiotic.
Well everyone is probably doing it.. so that argument is out the window. Rashard may have been juicing, but I GUARANTEE that at least one player on the cavs had taken an illegal supplement before and if thats the case thats all it takes. TBH Bron has 99% chance taken some type of drug that reinforces his body that would be considered a banned substance. You could walk into a GNC right now and legally buy something that would get you disqualified at a lot of testing. The large majority of players have taken something whether they know it or not. Wade definitely has. I dont even blame them because almost everyone has.

And comparing it to practing isnt idiotic because they are both ways of getting better. Practicing gets you even better than most of the drugs being used for would. If it helps a player recover from an injury faster? Great, that means I get to see them play more. It happens on both sides so whatever.

[dbk123]

lol lance is salty as ****. if he feels the media is against doping in cycling, he shouldnt have ****ing cheated in the first place. is this nikka really trying to blame the media for what happened?

[DMAVS41]

Well everyone is probably doing it.. so that argument is out the window. Rashard may have been juicing, but I GUARANTEE that at least one player on the cavs had taken an illegal supplement before and if thats the case thats all it takes. TBH Bron has 99% chance taken some type of drug that reinforces his body that would be considered a banned substance. You could walk into a GNC right now and legally buy something that would get you disqualified at a lot of testing. The large majority of players have taken something whether they know it or not. Wade definitely has. I dont even blame them because almost everyone has.

And comparing it to practing isnt idiotic because they are both ways of getting better. Practicing gets you even better than most of the drugs being used for would. If it helps a player recover from an injury faster? Great, that means I get to see them play more. It happens on both sides so whatever.


But not everyone is doing it though man. So it's wrong...plain and simple. It's cheating.

Was there likely a player on the Cavs juicing? Sure, but nobody that I know of tested positive. I said assume there wasn't...so it's not out the window. We don't know if someone was or not...

And no, comparing it to practice is just beyond idiotic.

I'll never understand the ignorance of fans supporting unfair advantages gained by players cheating.

And unless every single player is doing it...it's just wrong.

[tomtucker]

[QUOTE=3LiftHeatCurse]It will never be permitted because they destroy your body in the long run and give you health complications.

Lance Armstrong's testicular cancer was a direct result of his PED abuse.



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Anabolic Androgen Steroid (AAS), classified by the World Health Organization (WHO) as probably carcinogenic to humans.

[andremiller07]

I have accepted that it's widely used a long time, whatever makes sport more exciting and enjoyable to watch I don't really care, I prefer players who have that sixth sense and skills over athletes so to me It makes no difference to me.

Imo if people want to use them they should be allowed, at the end of the day you still have to have more than just steroids to by successful and taking all PED away and testing hardcore would only result in good players being taken out of the game which is not good for anyone.

[RagaZ]

American media has never asked LeDoped about anything PED-related.

Meanwhile, today at the Tour De France "media day", Chris Froome had to go through 1000000 questions about PEDs etc.

[Trollsmasher]

American media has never asked LeDoped about anything PED-related.

Meanwhile, today at the Tour De France "media day", Chris Froome had to go through 1000000 questions about PEDs etc.
Well, LeBron at least does not look like he is sweating out AICAR.

Froome's doping is so obvious he puts everyone else to shame.

Guy that was disqualified 3 years ago on Giro for holding on a motorbike, because he could not ride up a mountain in a time limit, is now riding up mountains like a motorbike:lol

[duskovujosevic]

Starting from next season, they will take blood samples to test on HGH. That will be interesting.

[ILLsmak]

They are all on PEDs. lol. Have you seen Wade's arms? Wade is more jacked than Bron. Not stronger, but he is way more "cut."

I'm not sure if it's impossible to look and perform like these guys do using only nutrition and exercise, but I'm very skeptical. I'd bet all of these super jacked guys: Blake Griffin, LeBron, Dwight... are all on PEDs.

-Smak

[Goldrush25]

Not that I think he's necessarily on something (I don't), but how would any of that preclude him from use? The NBA is notoriously behind the curve with regards to testing, and if he was using (again, I'm not accusing him) it would be easy enough to skip a cycle before/during the Olympics.

Too much to lose.

[TheFan]

Legalize the whole thing... just start a new era... all records established on this new era are placed on a new records book.

[KNOW1EDGE]

who cares i dont

Exactly. Nobody cares if NBA players are using PED's.

We want to see guys throw down crazy dunks, chase guys down and block shots from behind etc etc.

I don't want to see lay ups and tipped passes

[Soundwave]

I wouldn't be surprised if there is rampant abuse of PEDs in all major pro sports.

PEDs have evolved a lot in the last 10-15 years and are very hard to test for.

The wear and tear of an 82 game season can be mitigated a lot by PEDs.

[Soundwave]

Legalize the whole thing... just start a new era... all records established on this new era are placed on a new records book.

I think baseball might as well do this. Hockey and basketball are trying to keep it on the down low though.

[Unbiased_one]

Exactly. Nobody cares if NBA players are using PED's.

We want to see guys throw down crazy dunks, chase guys down and block shots from behind etc etc.

I don't want to see lay ups and tipped passes

It's pretty much the same thing in cycling...the Armstrong era was really exciting due to the constant crazy attacks...PEDs make sport better.

[Marchesk]

Exactly. Nobody cares if NBA players are using PED's.

We want to see guys throw down crazy dunks, chase guys down and block shots from behind etc etc.

I don't want to see lay ups and tipped passes

You mean like from this weak-ass era?

http://youtu.be/4seN0mugh1k?t=2m36s

[KyrieTheFuture]

If I wanted skills and fundamentals instead of incredible athleticism I'd watch the WNBA

[yobore]

While I don't doubt that some or the vast majority of the NBA is doping, it's not as upsetting as with cycling where strength/endurance is everything. In the NBA you have as the generally accepted 3rd best player right now a 5'11.5 player with average or worse athleticism for his position and poor endurance (who btw I am pretty sure is on something himself based on how he looked coming in the league vs. now). The more skill-based the sport is the less doping affects it (though I"m not saying doping doesn't help). It seems like a nondoper could make it in the NBA whereas in cycling making it to the top has really been all about your body's response to PED's.

[yobore]

Well, LeBron at least does not look like he is sweating out AICAR.

Froome's doping is so obvious he puts everyone else to shame.

Guy that was disqualified 3 years ago on Giro for holding on a motorbike, because he could not ride up a mountain in a time limit, is now riding up mountains like a motorbike:lol
+1 can't believe people are buying his being clean but I guess most British cycling fans are relatively new to the sport going to have the same blinders as Armstrong fans had.

[Pinkhearts]

There is no proof that Lance cheated too, so I don't know what the "there is no proof" line is suppose to mean.

Lance was never caught, he passed all his tests. He was only "caught" because all his teammates and competitors were caught and ratted on him. That's why he's salty...he's the best cheat of all time, but only got caught because his competition were morons.

[Real Men Wear Green]

There is no proof that Lance cheated too, so I don't know what the "there is no proof" line is suppose to mean.

Lance was never caught, he passed all his tests. He was only "caught" because all his teammates and competitors were caught and ratted on him. That's why he's salty...he's the best cheat of all time, but only got caught because his competition were morons.
That's wrong. All those people ratting on Armstrong creates valid suspicion. That's the proof. If we ever have a fraction of the witnesses against NBA stars as there were against Armstrong there would be reason to start looking into them. You want to assume everyone's doping but there are no failed tests, no witnesses, no suspicious ties to known dealers.

[unbreakable]

That's wrong. All those people ratting on Armstrong creates valid suspicion. That's the proof. If we ever have a fraction of the witnesses against NBA stars as there were against Armstrong there would be reason to start looking into them. You want to assume everyone's doping but there are no failed tests, no witnesses, no suspicious ties to known dealers.

the way you blindly defend NBA players is starting to make me think youre getting paid for this....

everyone dopes even your precious heroes. stern just chooses to protect them as much as possible. grow up bro.

[alexd]

You have to be naive to think that athletes don t use drugs etc.all of them start juicing from a young age.sure many of them are freak of nature and more gifted than others but they all juice
someone said that he s not juiced or it would have been proved at the olympics.first of all all us teams players etc are tested by american labs etc and not by the labs that test other athletes from other countries
but all professional athletes juice up.from track and field to swimming and ofc basketball.weights,training and genes can get you that far but you have to use pbe to catch up with the competition.that s a truth everyone knows but won t admit ofc

[Real Men Wear Green]

the way you blindly defend NBA players is starting to make me think youre getting paid for this....

everyone dopes even your precious heroes. stern just chooses to protect them as much as possible. grow up bro.
The way you fail to argue with the point I made demonstrates the fact that you have nothing relevant to say. I have never said no one is doping. I have repeatedly said there is no proof. You or someone else come with some proof, I'll acknowledge it. Until then? Aim your idiocy in another direction, please.

[Fresh Kid]

Lebron, wade,and d12 are all on steriods. Derrick Rose on the other hand had his steriods laced, thats why he have muscle memory problems.