Pau Gasol is a top 50 player of all-time

[Electric Slide]

Guy led the Lakers to a title in 2010 and was then robbed of Finals MVP. His skillset and talent is amazing. He is probably the most underrated player of all-time.

[SpecialQue]

You're a piece of shit scumbag troll loser, but Pau is a legend for what he's done both in the NBA and internationally and is higher than top 50, in my opinion.

Please choke on your own dick and stop posting here.

[PickernRoller]

Guy led the Lakers to a title in 2010 and was then robbed of Finals MVP. His skillset and talent is amazing. He is probably the most underrated player of all-time.


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[Electric Slide]

You're a piece of shit scumbag troll loser, but Pau is a legend for what he's done both in the NBA and internationally and is higher than top 50, in my opinion.

Please choke on your own dick and stop posting here.
Top 40 then?

[chazzy]

dat rg

[SpecialQue]

Top 40 then?

In the NBA? Possibly. His playoff loses with the Grizzlies and this past season's playoff sweep hurt his legacy though. However, the fact that he was the man for Team Spain in 08 and 12 and was only stopped by the ridiculously stacked Team USA says worlds about how great he is.

[Fresh Kid]

How is gasol top 50? Theres no way possible.

[Electric Slide]

How is gasol top 50? Theres no way possible.
He is one of the 50 greatest players to play the game, that's how it's possible.

[Jacks3]

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[OldSkoolball#52]

In his prime, Pau was a terrific all-around player.

Problem is though, his prime was very short. In Memphis, he became lethargic and uninterested at the end of his tenure because of the futility of the team around him.

He was rejuvinated by the trade to the Lakers, and as OP mentioned was the most vital piece on two championship teams.

But after a few seasons, playing with selfish, me-first, me-star, me-hero Kobe took its inevitably toll, as it had previously on Shaq,and as it did on Bynum, and ultimately would on Howard, so he just kind of half assed it again like he did when he was unhappy in Memphis.

Pau is a very talented guy but the fact is he's a sulker. When he's not happy, he throws in the towel. Mind you, he was justifiably unhappy, but still could have played harder through it.

Those periods of decreased intensity definitely diminish him a bit when you start comparing him with other elite players.

[Jacks3]

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[GrapeApe]

Top 50 is a bit generous, but if you factor in his international career I guess it's possible. He'll definitely be in the HOF.

[Jacks3]

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[Fresh Kid]

He is one of the 50 greatest players to play the game, that's how it's possible.
How?? theres no way that you can prove your idiotic statement.

[TonyMontana]

Anyone thats the best player on a title team in the modern era is top 50 all-time.

Notice how the Kobe stans get upset. This is because Gasols true value makes Kobes resume look less impressive. These are the definition of stans. They should praise Gasol for allowing Kobe to have more relevant seasons post Shaq. Without him, its more first round exits. :oldlol:

That one guy can't even formulate an argument, just posts internet .gifs because he himself brings nothing to the table. Its a good way to tell which posters know nothing about basketball despite posting on a bball site. Pathetic. :oldlol:

[Heavincent]

You know it's probably time to rethink your life when you find yourself creating multiple accounts on a message board to agree with yourself.

[Fresh Kid]

Anyone thats the best player on a title team in the modern era is top 50 all-time.

Notice how the Kobe stans get upset. This is because Gasols true value makes Kobes resume look less impressive. These are the definition of stans. They should praise Gasol for allowing Kobe to have more relevant seasons post Shaq. Without him, its more first round exits. :oldlol:

That one guy can't even formulate an argument, just posts internet .gifs because he himself brings nothing to the table. Its a good way to tell which posters know nothing about basketball despite posting on a bball site. Pathetic. :oldlol:
What an absurd paragraph.. pau gasol didn't carry Kobe, gasol needed Kobe way more than Kobe needed him.

[Deuce Bigalow]

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[SpecialQue]

As much as I love Pau, can someone post how many playoff games he won without Kobe, and how many playoff games Kobe won without Pau/Shaq?

[secund2nun]

Kobe and Gasol was not batman and robin like Shaq and Kobe was. It was Batman and Batman. It is a myth promoted by the media and Kobe ******gers that Kobe carried that team. Gasol was just as good as Kobe and was the real 2010 finals MVP. Also he had other big moments like when Kobe chocked in game 7 vs Houston in 2009 and Gasol dominated and willed the team to victory. The only thing Kobe carried was the 3 straight teams that failed to win a playoff series before Gasol joined.

[secund2nun]

What an absurd paragraph.. pau gasol didn't carry Kobe, gasol needed Kobe way more than Kobe needed him.

Before Gasol (after Shaq) prime Kobe lost in the first round twice and missed the playoffs once. They both needed each other. Neither were dominant forces like Lebron, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem etc that could single handedly win playoff series by themselves.

[OldSkoolball#52]

As much as I love Pau, can someone post how many playoff games he won without Kobe, and how many playoff games Kobe won without Pau/Shaq?


I'd have to look that up, but off the top of my head I can tell you Kobe has led a team to the playoffs as its only all star player twice.

Pau has done it thrice with Memphis.

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Or to use ISH lingo, Pau has taken a team to the playoffs as "the man" more times than Kobe has.

[Jameerthefear]

I'd have to look that up, but off the top of my head I can tell you Kobe has led a team to the playoffs as its only all star player twice.

Pau has done it thrice with Memphis.

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Or to use ISH lingo, Pau has taken a team to the playoffs as "the man" more times than Kobe has.
Pau is 0-12 in the playoffs without Kobe.

[Jacks3]

0-16 actually. :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe and Gasol was not batman and robin like Shaq and Kobe was. It was Batman and Batman. It is a myth promoted by the media and Kobe ******gers that Kobe carried that team. Gasol was just as good as Kobe and was the real 2010 finals MVP. Also he had other big moments like when Kobe chocked in game 7 vs Houston in 2009 and Gasol dominated and willed the team to victory. The only thing Kobe carried was the 3 straight teams that failed to win a playoff series before Gasol joined.
The 2009 Lakers had the largest difference between the #1 leading playoff scorer and the #2 leading scorer in the last 15 years.



2009 Kobe: + 11.9 ppg [Kobe 30.2 ppg / Pau 18.3 ppg]
Rebound leader: Gasol, Assist leader: Kobe

2011 Dirk: + 10.2 ppg [Dirk 27.7 ppg / Terry 17.5 ppg]
Rebound leader: Chandler, Assist leader: Kidd

2003 Duncan: + 10.0 ppg [Duncan 24.7 ppg / Parker 14.7 ppg]
Rebound leader: Duncan, Assist leader: Duncan

2013 Lebron: + 10.0 ppg [Lebron 25.9 ppg/ Wade 15.9 ppg]
Rebound leader: Lebron, Assist leader: Lebron

2006 Wade: + 10.0 ppg [Wade 28.4 ppg / Shaq 18.4 ppg]
Rebound leader: Shaq, Assist leader: Wade

2010 Kobe: + 9.6 ppg [Kobe 29.2 ppg / Pau 19.6 ppg]
Rebound leader: Gasol, Assist leader: Kobe

2000 Shaq: + 9.6 ppg [Shaq 30.7 ppg / Kobe 21.1 ppg]
Rebound leader: Shaq, Assist leader: Kobe

1999 Duncan: + 7.6 ppg [Duncan 23.2 ppg / Robinson 15.6 ppg]
Rebound leader: Duncan, Assist leader: Johnson

2012 Lebron: + 7.5 ppg [Lebron 30.3 ppg / Wade 22.8 ppg]
Rebound leader: Lebron, Assist leader: Lebron

2004 Hamilton: + 5.1 ppg [Hamilton 21.5 ppg / Billups 16.4 ppg]
Rebound leader: B. Wallace, Assist leader: Billups

2005 Duncan: + 2.8 ppg [Duncan 23.6 / Manu 20.8 ppg]
Rebound leader: Duncan, Assist leader: Parker

2002 Shaq: + 1.9 ppg [Shaq 28.5 ppg / Kobe 26.6 ppg]
Rebound leader: Shaq, Assist leader: Kobe

2007 Duncan: + 1.4 ppg [Duncan 22.2 ppg / Parker 20.8 ppg]
Rebound leader: Duncan, Assist leader: Parker

2001 Shaq: + 1.0 ppg [Shaq 30.4 ppg / Kobe 29.4 ppg]
Rebound leader: Shaq, Assist leader: Kobe

2008 KG: + 0.7 ppg [KG 20.4 ppg / Pierce 19.7 ppg]
Rebound leader: KG, Assist leader: Rondo

[KNOW1EDGE]

No hes not.

OP is a f@ggot

[Round Mound]

Where Would u Rank Gasol as a PF All Time?

[secund2nun]

The 2009 Lakers had the largest difference between the #1 leading playoff scorer and the #2 leading scorer in the last 15 years.

There is a lot more to the game than scoring, as Kobe from 04-07 found out in his 3 season stretch in his prime that produced no playoff series wins. His 35 PPG season ended in a first round loss to the suns.

Also his scoring was not super efficient dominant like Durant has. Kobe averaged 45.7% fg and 30 ppg on 23 shots per game for the entire 09 playoffs.

[Fresh Kid]

Before Gasol (after Shaq) prime Kobe lost in the first round twice and missed the playoffs once. They both needed each other. Neither were dominant forces like Lebron, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem etc that could single handedly win playoff series by themselves.
Yea right, shaq had penny to win playoff series in Orlando, Hakeem got lucky because Starks choked in 1994, Lebron played against arenas and the overrated non competitive wizards a few timea his pre Miami years too.

[secund2nun]

Yea right, shaq had penny to win playoff series in Orlando, Hakeem got lucky because Starks choked in 1994, Lebron played against arenas and the overrated non competitive wizards a few timea his pre Miami years too.

Penny was overrated and later on because of injuries Penny became a terrible player yet pre-prime Shaq still single handedly led Orlando to the ECF after the injuries crippled Penny. Hakeem led a pretty weak cast to a NBA finals victory, which is insane.

PRIME Kobe could not even win a playoff series in the 3 tries he had. In one of the series, he lost to a suns team where Amare was out the entire series.

Young Lebron beat a respectable Detriot team in 2007 by himself. That 2007 Detriot squad was certainly better than a Suns team without Amare.

[Deuce Bigalow]

There is a lot more to the game than scoring, as Kobe from 04-07 found out in his 3 season stretch in his prime that produced no playoff series wins. His 35 PPG season ended in a first round loss to the suns.

Also his scoring was not super efficient dominant like Durant has. Kobe averaged 45.7% fg and 30 ppg on 23 shots per game for the entire 09 playoffs.
It's a very simple concept to understand. In 05-07 Kobe had a poor supporting cast, in 08-10 he had a a better supporting cast. In 08-10 when the Lakers were winning playoff series it was still Kobe's team, and there is no questions surrounding that.

MVP voting
08 - Kobe 1st, Pau no votes
09 - Kobe 2nd, Pau no votes
10 - Kobe 3rd, Pau no votes

In fact, Pau has never recieved a single MVP vote in his career.

[TonyMontana]

There is a lot more to the game than scoring, as Kobe from 04-07 found out in his 3 season stretch in his prime that produced no playoff series wins. His 35 PPG season ended in a first round loss to the suns.

Also his scoring was not super efficient dominant like Durant has. Kobe averaged 45.7% fg and 30 ppg on 23 shots per game for the entire 09 playoffs.

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2004: Shaq leaves
2005: No playoffs
2006: first round loss
2007: first round loss:
2008: NBA Finals
2009: NBA Championship
2010: NBA Championship

Something must have happened between 2007 and 2008 to transform them into a pereniel Finalist from first round fodder. Could it have been that Kobe transformed his game?

Nope, his best years were when they lost in the first round. :oldlol:

Gasol is the reason LA became relevant. He will never get the respect he deserves.

[Cali Syndicate]

Pau is 0-12 in the playoffs without Kobe.

Pau has never had that just solid playoff type team. Ever prior to the Lakers. Those Grizzlies rosters were always ran that mediocre brand, just enough to win some games and make a playoff push but never really good enough.

Then look at his opponents. The 04 Spurs (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2004.html), the 05 Suns (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2005.html) and and 06 Mavs. (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2006.html)

So basically, Peak Duncan and company, peak Nash and pre-injury beast Amare, and a very good all-around Mavs team led by a very good prime Dirk Nowitzki.

Yeah......no.

[BoutPractice]

In terms of skills/abilities on the court, he is definitely top 50, but he doesn't have the accomplishments to match. He's certainly top 100 though.

[qrich]

Brand > Pau

[Mr. Jabbar]

As much as I love Pau, can someone post how many playoff games he won without Kobe, and how many playoff games Kobe won without Pau/Shaq?

Pau has won zero of sixteen playoff games without kobe, 0-16 games. Yes, an impressive jaw-dropping record, soomehow, kobe haters say this is the guy that carried kobe to 3 finals two rings, seems legit...

[Deuce Bigalow]

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2004: Shaq leaves
2005: No playoffs
2006: first round loss
2007: first round loss:
2008: NBA Finals
2009: NBA Championship
2010: NBA Championship

Something must have happened between 2007 and 2008 to transform them into a pereniel Finalist from first round fodder. Could it have been that Kobe transformed his game?

Nope, his best years were when they lost in the first round. :oldlol:

Gasol is the reason LA became relevant. He will never get the respect he deserves.
Lakers were 30-16 before Gasol played a game for the Lakers in 2007-08.

[Magic 32]

0-16 in the playoffs without Kobe.

Is that a top 50 player?

:no:

[Unbiased_one]

0-16 in the playoffs without Kobe.

Is that a top 50 player?

:no:

I suppose it's better to miss the playoffs like Kobe did without pau?







I jest of course...but you are the master of cherry picking irrelevant stats and using them to prop Kobe.

[Magic 32]

I suppose it's better to miss the playoffs like Kobe did without pau?

I jest of course...but you are the master of cherry picking irrelevant stats and using them to prop Kobe.

0-16 is irrelevant?

[Mr Exlax]

Guy led the Lakers to a title in 2010 and was then robbed of Finals MVP. His skillset and talent is amazing. He is probably the most underrated player of all-time.

This seems so agenda based.

I will agree that Pau Gasol is a top 50 player of all-teim though.

[SpanishACB]

I like the stupidity and oversimplification implied when people go about comparing players in different teams and their playoff run history.

As if there weren't a thousand more variables.

Simply put, you all imply that Memphis and Lakers are the same team. They're not. The time Gasol was in Memphis getting into playoffs was already a triumph whilst a widely considered top10 player of all time like Kobe Bryant is expected to carry any kind of scrub to playoffs, and yet he didn't even manage to do so one year.

And yes, Pau was MVP in those finals, but the marketing machine gave it to Kobe to resurrect the Lakers franchise, one of the most powerful teams to merchandise the NBA internationally.

[STATUTORY]

Pau has never had that just solid playoff type team. Ever prior to the Lakers. Those Grizzlies rosters were always ran that mediocre brand, just enough to win some games and make a playoff push but never really good enough.

Then look at his opponents. The 04 Spurs (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2004.html), the 05 Suns (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2005.html) and and 06 Mavs. (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2006.html)

So basically, Peak Duncan and company, peak Nash and pre-injury beast Amare, and a very good all-around Mavs team led by a very good prime Dirk Nowitzki.

Yeah......no.

Gasol had Dwight and Nash this year and got swept by the spurs

:roll:

[Unbiased_one]

Gasol had Dwight and Nash this year and got swept by the spurs

:roll:

And Kobe had all 3 of them this year and they won the last two games of the season without him just to get into the playoffs...do you realise how stupid your post was?

[STATUTORY]

And Kobe had all 3 of them this year and they won the last two games of the season without him just to get into the playoffs...do you realise how stupid your post was?

they were 26-12 the last 38 games with kobe after dwight stopped sabotaging the team with his lackluster play, after nash returned and acclimated himself to the game, after gasol started playing.

Kobe did not have ALL 3 of them this year for majority of the game.

[Magic 32]

they won the last two games of the season without him just to get into the playoffs

oh wow. Amazing!

[Fresh Kid]

I like the stupidity and oversimplification implied when people go about comparing players in different teams and their playoff run history.

As if there weren't a thousand more variables.

Simply put, you all imply that Memphis and Lakers are the same team. They're not. The time Gasol was in Memphis getting into playoffs was already a triumph whilst a widely considered top10 player of all time like Kobe Bryant is expected to carry any kind of scrub to playoffs, and yet he didn't even manage to do so one year.

And yes, Pau was MVP in those finals, but the marketing machine gave it to Kobe to resurrect the Lakers franchise, one of the most powerful teams to merchandise the NBA internationally.
pau was never mvp.

[Magic 32]

And yes, Pau was MVP in those finals, but the marketing machine gave it to Kobe to resurrect the Lakers franchise, one of the most powerful teams to merchandise the NBA internationally.

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[Straight_Ballin]

Replace Timmy with Duncan on the Spurs during both their careers and the Spurs win those same titles. Kobe was a cancer that caused Shaq to leave. That's pretty bad.....

[Fresh Kid]

Replace Timmy with Duncan on the Spurs during both their careers and the Spurs win those same titles. Kobe was a cancer that caused Shaq to leave. That's pretty bad..... Shaq left because he was jealous of how great kobe became.

[riseagainst]

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[Unbiased_one]

oh wow. Amazing!

I'm not saying it's amazing. If you expect them to take a playof game against the spurs without Kobe, then there is no excuse for barely being able to break .500 with him.

[Jacks3]

45 wins and went 28-12 in their last 40 (3rd best record in the league) despite..

3 different head coaches
30 games missed from starting PG
30 games missed from starting PF
Staring center playing the first 45-50 looking like a complete shell of himself because of back surgery.
Best bench player/3rd best big missed the entire season.
Back-up PG missed 50 games.

Extraordinary job by Kobe.

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[Solid Snake]

If you're going to say he's top 50, then name the player you're bumping off the list then.

[TheBigVeto]

Guy led the Lakers to a title in 2010 and was then robbed of Finals MVP. His skillset and talent is amazing. He is probably the most underrated player of all-time.

Top 50? Maybe.
Led Lakers to a title and robbed of Finals MVP? Yes for sure.
Most Underrated all time? No.

[Lakers2877]

In his prime, Pau was a terrific all-around player.

Problem is though, his prime was very short. In Memphis, he became lethargic and uninterested at the end of his tenure because of the futility of the team around him.

He was rejuvinated by the trade to the Lakers, and as OP mentioned was the most vital piece on two championship teams.

But after a few seasons, playing with selfish, me-first, me-star, me-hero Kobe took its inevitably toll, as it had previously on Shaq,and as it did on Bynum, and ultimately would on Howard, so he just kind of half assed it again like he did when he was unhappy in Memphis.

Pau is a very talented guy but the fact is he's a sulker. When he's not happy, he throws in the towel. Mind you, he was justifiably unhappy, but still could have played harder through it.

Those periods of decreased intensity definitely diminish him a bit when you start comparing him with other elite players.
It's hilarious to me how people like you spout this nonsense about playing with. He has been making close to 20 mill a year. If he's not playing hard that's on

I mean how is justifiably unhappy?

[SpanishACB]

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Try again...




I know that looking at a game and coming up with an opinion is too much effort, much more effort that identifying which is the highest number in a paper, but you're not going to die for using your brain from time to time.
Guaranteed.