Rank the Top 20 Players coming into next season...

[CanYouDigIt]

20. Tim Duncan
19. Kobe Bryant
18. Paul George
17. Chris Bosh
16. Deron Williams
15. Roy Hibbert
14. John Wall
13. Tony Parker
12. Blake Griffin
11. Brook Lopez
10. Stephen Curry
9. Dwight Howard
8. Dwayne Wade
7. Kyrie Irving
6. Russell Westbrook
5. Chris Paul
4. James Harden
3. Carmelo Anthony
2. Kevin Durant
1. Lebron James

[Rose'sACL]

bosh better than Kobe? Kobe will be a beast next season even though he will not return till Christmas.

Apr 2013
:facepalm

[BlazerRed]

No LMA.. always underrated :facepalm Can't believe you have Wall at 14. He had a good second half of the season, but that sample size alone doesn't make him a top 15 player..

[TheReal Kendall]

Here comes the Lebron and Kobe stans:facepalm

[LosScandalous]

stopped reading after i saw 19 :facepalm

[CanYouDigIt]

No LMA.. always underrated :facepalm Can't believe you have Wall at 14. He had a good second half of the season, but that sample size alone doesn't make him a top 15 player..
I love LMA.

It is true that he is underrated, I was thinking of placing him on my list, but I couldn't find an appropriate spot for him sadly.

[TylerOO]

Here comes the Lebron and Kobe stans:facepalm

LeBron stans have nothing to say/complain about. LeBron is ranked 1 on everyones list.

[Shade8780]

1. LeBron

Will do rest tomorrow.

[TheReal Kendall]

LeBron stans have nothing to say/complain about. LeBron is ranked 1 on everyones list.

You right Kobe stans won't allow this

[IncarceratedBob]

1a. LeBron James
1b. Kobe Bryant
3. Chris Paul
4. Kevin Durant
5. Derrick Rose
6. Carmelo Anthony
7. Dwight Howard
8. Russell Westbrook
9. Kyrie Irving
10. Tony Parker
11. Steph Curry
12. James Harden
13. Tim Duncan
14. Dirk Nowitzki
15. Dwyane Wade
16.John Wall
17.Deron Williams
18.Lamarcus Aldridge
19.Blake Griffin
20. Paul George

[rzp]

1a. LeBron James
1b. Kobe Bryant
3. Chris Paul
4. Kevin Durant
5. Derrick Rose
6. Carmelo Anthony
7. Dwight Howard
8. Russell Westbrook
9. Kyrie Irving
10. Tony Parker
11. Steph Curry
12. James Harden
13. Tim Duncan
14. Dirk Nowitzki
15. Dwyane Wade
16.John Wall
17.Deron Williams
18.Lamarcus Aldridge
19.Blake Griffin
20. Paul George

sarcasm? :biggums:

[tikay0]

OP is suffering from mild to medium levels of retardation.

No Rose? :facepalm

[IncarceratedBob]

sarcasm? :biggums:
LeBrons probably better since Kobe's injury, so I put him on top but we still need to see how he performs this coming season

[Fresh Kid]

1a. Refs
1b. Carmelo Anthony
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Kevin Durant
4. Dirk Nowitzki
5. Derrick Rose (if healthy minus muscle memory issues)
6. Chris Paul
7. Russell Westrbrook
8. Steph Curry
9. Kyrie Irving
10. Tony Parker
11. James Harden
12. Tim Duncan
13. Lebron James
14. Dwyane Wade
15. John Wall
16.Deron Williams
17.Lamarcus Aldridge
18. Dwight Howard
19.Blake Griffin
20a. J.r smith (minus club nights during playoffs screwing girls with enormous foreheads)
20b. Amare Stoudamire (if healthy and more minutes)

[Johnny Jones]

20. Tim Duncan
19. Kobe Bryant
18. Paul George
17. Chris Bosh
16. Deron Williams
15. Roy Hibbert
14. John Wall
13. Tony Parker
12. Blake Griffin
11. Brook Lopez
10. Stephen Curry
9. Dwight Howard
8. Dwayne Wade
7. Kyrie Irving
6. Russell Westbrook
5. Chris Paul
4. James Harden
3. Carmelo Anthony
2. Kevin Durant
1. Lebron James
15. Roy Hibbert? :facepalm :lol
and he's ahead of Paul George? :roll:

[JimmyMcAdocious]

15. Roy Hibbert? :facepalm :lol
and he's ahead of Paul George? :roll:

Not worse than Lopez at 11. Or Wall at 14.

[kamil]

My list:


20. Chris Bosh
19. Tim Duncan
18. Paul George
17. Deron Williams
16. Joakim Noah
15. John Wall
14. Tony Parker
13. Blake Griffin
12. Brook Lopez
11. Stephen Curry
10. Dwight Howard
9. James Harden
8. Dwayne Wade
7. Kobe Bryant
6. Russell Westbrook
5. Derrick Rose
4. Chris Paul
3. Lebron James
2. Carmelo Anthony
1. Kevin Durant

[IncarceratedBob]

My list:


20. Chris Bosh
19. Tim Duncan
18. Paul George
17. Deron Williams
16. Joakim Noah
15. John Wall
14. Tony Parker
13. Blake Griffin
12. Brook Lopez
11. Stephen Curry
10. Dwight Howard
9. James Harden
8. Dwayne Wade
7. Kobe Bryant
6. Russell Westbrook
5. Derrick Rose
4. Chris Paul
3. Lebron James
2. Carmelo Anthony
1. Kevin Durant
KOBE AT 7?

You lost your goddamned mind, I mean Kobe last year averaged 34/8/7 against playoff teams in the NBA.

Your top 3 against playoff teams?

Durant 27/6/3
Anthony 31/11/2
James 24/12/6

It isn't close, Kobe needs to be TOP 3 at worst.

[branslowski]

Op i legally retarded:hammerhead:

Anyway:

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Kobe
4. Westbrook
5. Melo
6. CP3
7. Rose
8. Harden
9. Curry
10. Wade
11. Dwight
12. D Will
13. Paul George
14. John Wall
15. Blake
16. Irving
17. Dirk
18. Gasol
19. Bosh
20. Duncan

factual list.

[KG215]

This is supposed to be based on what we think they'll be next year, right?

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Chris Paul
4. Carmelo
5. Westbrook

* going out on a limb with #6 and #7, assuming they're back and close to pre-injury form

6. Rose
7. Dwight
8. Curry
9. Harden
10. Wade

I'm in wait-and-see mode with Kobe, because he's coming off a very serious injury. I didn't exclude him from my top 10 because I'm "hating", I just want to see him play a few games first. And before branslowski or some other Kobe fanboy jumps down my throat for having Dwight and Rose in my top 10...they're both much younger than Kobe, Rose will have had 18 full months to recover, and Dwight was showing signs of being his old self after the All-Star break last year.

And I think next year may be the year we see Wade actually fall-off quite a bit in the regular season, but not so much that he won't be a top 10 player. He was a borderline top 5 player for a good chunk of the regular season last year before getting hurt towards the end of the 27-game win streak.

[CanYouDigIt]

Inb4 Rose gets injured in season opener

[fjjkk102]

This league didn't promote 2-way players. They spent 50% of time playing defense when they stay on the court. How can you ignore them?

here's my list:

1 LeBron James
2 Kevin Durant
3 Dwight Howard
4 Chris Paul
5 Kobe Bryant
6 Russell Westbrook
7 Paul George
8 Carmelo Anthony
9 James Harden
10 Tony Parker
11 Steph Curry
12 Derrick Rose
13 Tim Duncan
14 Joakim Noah
15 Rojan Rondo
16 Mike Conley
17 David West
18 Dwyane Wade
19 Marc Gasol
20 Chris Bosh

[Fresh Kid]

This league didn't promote 2-way players. They spent 50% of time playing defense when they stay on the court. How can you ignore them?

here's my list:


7 Paul George
8 Carmelo Anthony

this makes no sense at all.

[KG215]

this makes no sense at all.
Says the guy who put Carmelo #1 and LeBron #13 on his list.

[Fresh Kid]

Says the guy who put Carmelo #1 and LeBron #13 on his list.
I was kind of kidding about Lebron. Lebron is in the top 7.

[KG215]

I was kind of kidding about Lebron. Lebron is in the top 7.
No, LeBron is in the top 1.

[Fresh Kid]

No, LeBron is in the top 1.
says the guy with a durant avatar. How could you man.

[KG215]

says the guy with a durant avatar. How could you man.
:confusedshrug:

Durant's not better than LeBron.

[Fresh Kid]

:confusedshrug:

Durant's not better than LeBron.
You a durant fan, he should be better than lebron to you.

[grilo_bruno]

Op i legally retarded:hammerhead:

Anyway:

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Kobe
4. Westbrook
5. Melo
6. CP3
7. Rose
8. Harden
9. Curry
10. Wade
11. Dwight
12. D Will
13. Paul George
14. John Wall
15. Blake
16. Irving
17. Dirk
18. Gasol
19. Bosh
20. Duncan

factual list.

best list till now...

[kamil]

KOBE AT 7?

You lost your goddamned mind, I mean Kobe last year averaged 34/8/7 against playoff teams in the NBA.

Your top 3 against playoff teams?

Durant 27/6/3
Anthony 31/11/2
James 24/12/6

It isn't close, Kobe needs to be TOP 3 at worst.

Easy there buddy, it wasn't a serious list. I randomized the OPs list but specifically dropped LeBron a few places just to piss the LeBron* psuedo-fans (TonyMontana, Tazb, Trollsmasher and the rest of the idiots).

Kobe is in the top 5 for me, we'll see how he does after his injury.

[Frozen1]

This forum seriously overrate Kyrie Irving and CP3.

CP3 is nowhere near of being the 3rd best player in the league, and kyrie irving will be a third year guy with no playoff games leading a shitty lottery team. And in only 2 years playing he had more injuries than Lebron in his entire career.

Rose is also very overrated. The guy is coming from almost 2 years off, and i think it will take some time for him find his old self.

In my opinion the top players next year, not necessarily in this order, will be lebron, durant, kobe, carmelo anthony and dwyane wade.

[The JKidd Kid]

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Dwight
4. Kobe
5. CP3
6. Westbrook
7. Duncan
8. Melo
9. Deron
10. Curry
11. Parker
12. Wade
13. Rose
14. Love
15. George
16. Rondo
17. Harden
18. Gasol
19. Irving
20. Lopez

[Rose'sACL]

You a durant fan, he should be better than lebron to you.
This logic. I guess you think knicks are better than heat/bulls/pacers too?

[Fresh Kid]

This logic. I guess you think knicks are better than heat/bulls/pacers too?
You really want me to answer that?

[waseem780]

1.Lebron
2.Durant
3.Howard
4.Rose
5.CP3
6.Kobe
7.Curry
8.Westbrook
9.Dwade
10.Carmelo Anthony
11.James Harden
12.Kevin Love
13.Paul George
14.Duncan
15.Bosh
16.Rondo
17.Lopez
18.Tony Parker
19.Lamarcus Aldridge
20.Blake Griffin

[Fresh Kid]

3.Howard
7.Curry
9.Dwade
10.Carmelo Anthony

What are you talking about?

[Pushxx]

The lack of Rondo here is hilarious.

[disel]

sarcasm? :biggums:
he a lakers stan.

[LosScandalous]

Why is everyone is just guessing that Duncan is going to go through a big old man crash. That gangster put up 18/10 on 35mpg in the playoffs.

If anybody on the Spurs is going to crash it's going to be Manu after that long playoff run (which he sucked in) and he even himself said he was tired.

Also it's laughable how Kyrie is criminally underrated on here. He's going to have a good team next year.

[LongLiveTheKing]

The lack of Rondo here is hilarious.
Exactly what I thought but maybe it's because he's injured.

[secund2nun]

How the hell is Duncan at 20 behind Kobe? Duncan is top 10 easily. Parker at 13? Irving at 7? Howard only at 9? Melo at 4? Harden at 4? Westbrook at 6? Hibbert at 15 only?

Lol the list is terrible. You are severely overrating guards and underrating big men.

[The JKidd Kid]

Why is everyone is just guessing that Duncan is going to go through a big old man crash. That gangster put up 18/10 on 35mpg in the playoffs.

If anybody on the Spurs is going to crash it's going to be Manu after that long playoff run (which he sucked in) and he even himself said he was tired.

Also it's laughable how Kyrie is criminally underrated on here. He's going to have a good team next year.

Kyrie is the most overrated player in the league. Hes more one dimensional than Melo, Poor passer, AWFUL Defender, turn over prone. There's at least 7 PGs that are better than him. Once you get over all the hype about him being Lebrons replacement and a #1 overall pick, he's just a poor mans Gilbert Arenas.

[LosScandalous]

Kyrie is the most overrated player in the league. Hes more one dimensional than Melo, Poor passer, AWFUL Defender, turn over prone. There's at least 7 PGs that are better than him. Once you get over all the hype about him being Lebrons replacement and a #1 overall pick, he's just a poor mans Gilbert Arenas.

Being the most clutch player in the league, arguably having the best handles and being an elite level scorer at 21 years old is not a gimmick. You'd be kidding yourself if you did not see legendary potential in the guy once he first stepped on the court

Now with a good team around him and a decent coach, he's going to be a lock top 15 player.

[The JKidd Kid]

Being the most clutch player in the league, arguably having the best handles and being an elite level scorer at 21 years old is not a gimmick. You'd be kidding yourself if you did not see legendary potential in the guy once he first stepped on the court

Now with a good team around him and a decent coach, he's going to be a lock top 15 player.

Kyrie is nonwhere near the Peirce, Johnson, Durant, Duncan of the league who in the clutch shot a higher percentage than Kyrie and have been clutch in the playoffs where games actually matter.

His ball handling skills are overrated. Williams and Paul both used to do flashy moves with the ball, but as they grew they realized that it was ineffective and a waste of energy. Those two can do anything Kyrie can.

Monta Ellis is another small, unathletic elite scorer and I would honestly rather have him run an offense than Kyrie. (More assists with less turnovers.)

Poor mans Gilbert Arenas. At least Arenas played defense and passed.

[Pushxx]

Kyrie is nonwhere near the Peirce, Johnson, Durant, Duncan of the league who in the clutch shot a higher percentage than Kyrie and have been clutch in the playoffs where games actually matter.

His ball handling skills are overrated. Williams and Paul both used to do flashy moves with the ball, but as they grew they realized that it was ineffective and a waste of energy. Those two can do anything Kyrie can.

Monta Ellis is another small, unathletic elite scorer and I would honestly rather have him run an offense than Kyrie. (More assists with less turnovers.)

Poor mans Gilbert Arenas. At least Arenas played defense and passed.

How can you be wrong in so many places in one post? What the ****?

[Jameerthefear]

Kyrie is nonwhere near the Peirce, Johnson, Durant, Duncan of the league who in the clutch shot a higher percentage than Kyrie and have been clutch in the playoffs where games actually matter.

His ball handling skills are overrated. Williams and Paul both used to do flashy moves with the ball, but as they grew they realized that it was ineffective and a waste of energy. Those two can do anything Kyrie can.

Monta Ellis is another small, unathletic elite scorer and I would honestly rather have him run an offense than Kyrie. (More assists with less turnovers.)

Poor mans Gilbert Arenas. At least Arenas played defense and passed.
Did you just say... did you just say you'd take Monta Ellis over Kyrie Irving?

[WayOfWade]

20. Tim Duncan
19. Kobe Bryant
18. Paul George
17. Chris Bosh
16. Deron Williams
15. Roy Hibbert
14. John Wall
13. Tony Parker
12. Blake Griffin
11. Brook Lopez
10. Stephen Curry
9. Dwight Howard
8. Dwayne Wade
7. Kyrie Irving
6. Russell Westbrook
5. Chris Paul
4. James Harden
3. Carmelo Anthony
2. Kevin Durant
1. Lebron James
I wouldn't put Harden over Wade yet. The dude needs to learn what defense is first.

[Nashty]

stopped reading after i saw 19 :facepalm

Me too, he's nowhere near top 20 :facepalm

[Rojogaqu11]

From 20 to 1.


Tony Parker
Dwayne Wade
Kevin Love
Josh Smith
David Lee
Jrue Holiday
Paul George
Lamarcus Aldridge
Kyrie Irving
Rajon Rondo
Derrick Rose
Stephen Curry
James Harden
Dwight Howard
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Paul
Kobe Bryant
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Durant
Lebron James

[The JKidd Kid]

Did you just say... did you just say you'd take Monta Ellis over Kyrie Irving?

If I needed someone to run my offense and distribute, I would take him over Kyrie. Monta averages more assists with less turnovers than Kyrie, that's just a fact. And it shows how overrated Kyrie is, when a player like Monta, who is criticized for chucking and not being a real PG, is actually better at filling the PG role than Irving.

[The JKidd Kid]

How can you be wrong in so many places in one post? What the ****?

Everything I said was a fact. He's not statistically as clutch as the guys I mentioned. Williams and Paul both used to show off with their handles, but now they realize that it is not a part of running a good offense and keeping your coaches and team mates happy. Monta Ellis does average more Assists with less turnovers. Gilbert Arenas was head and shoulders above Kyrie.

[Haks]

Coming into the season i have
1.Lebron
2.KD
3.Melo
4.Kobe
5.Tony Parker
6.CP3
7.Rose
8.James Harden
9.Rajon Rondo
10.Dwight Howard
11.Stephen Curry
12.Tim Duncan
13.Paul George
14.Kyrie Irving
15.D Wade
16.Blake Griffin
17.Brook Lopez
18.LMA
19.Roy Hibbert
20.Bosh

Or something like this

[chips93]

Roy Hibbert
Rajon Rondo
Deron Williams
Marc Gasol
Blake Griffin
Dirk Nowitzki
Tony Parker
Paul George
Kevin Love
John Wall
Stephen Curry
Dwayne Wade
Kyrie Irving
Russell Westbrook
James Harden
Carmelo Anthony
Derrick Rose
Dwight Howard
Chris Paul
Kevin Durant
Lebron James


i have no idea what kobe will be like next year, but im gonna assume he misses at lesat half the season, so thats just not enough time to justify beong top 20

i think rose should have a good year

paul george, kyrie irving and john wall are the breakout stars of the season

i feel bad about having parker so low, after the year he just had, but hes just turned 31, hes gonna start to slow down a little, and there are a bunch of good young players poised to make a big leap next year.

and i know we have been expecting timmy to fall off every year now, for about 5 seasons, but he has to at some point, become a role player, and i think next year will be the year. he'll step back a little, and allow kawhi become more of a focal point.

[Living Being]

Bosh should not be over Dirk on any list, whether they are top 20 or not.

[Jameerthefear]

If I needed someone to run my offense and distribute, I would take him over Kyrie. Monta averages more assists with less turnovers than Kyrie, that's just a fact. And it shows how overrated Kyrie is, when a player like Monta, who is criticized for chucking and not being a real PG, is actually better at filling the PG role than Irving.
Well I'm glad you're not a GM

[branslowski]

Op i legally retarded:hammerhead:

Anyway:

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Kobe
4. Westbrook
5. Melo
6. CP3
7. Rose
8. Harden
9. Curry
10. Wade
11. Dwight
12. D Will
13. Paul George
14. John Wall
15. Blake
16. Irving
17. Dirk
18. Gasol
19. Bosh
20. Duncan

factual list.

My list was clearly the best untill I noticed I forgot about Rondo Completely...My mistakes, my hate for The Celtics as a franchise clouded my judgement....Where should I place him? Tough..he's definitely top 15 though...*scratches head*

[chips93]

My list was clearly the best untill I noticed I forgot about Rondo Completely...My mistakes, my hate for The Celtics as a franchise clouded my judgement....Where should I place him? Tough..he's definitely top 15 though...*scratches head*

everybody is gonna think that their list is the best

if they didnt, they would just alter it till they think its perfect.

[The JKidd Kid]

Well I'm glad you're not a GM

Tell me one thing I said that was wrong. Kyrie is an overrated, one dimensional, turnover prone scorer who adds nothing to his team other than scoring. At least Melo offers rebounding along with his scoring.

[WayOfWade]

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Wade
4. Westbrook
5. Harden
6. CP3
7. Melo
8. Curry
9. Dwight
10. D. Will
11. Irving
12. Love
13. P. George
14. Griffin
15. Hibbert
16. Dirk
17. J. Wall
18. T. Parker
19. Chris Bosh
20. M. Gasol

*I didn't put Kobe or Rose in there, because one's coming off a torn ACL, and the other's coming off a torn Achilles. If I had to guess where they'd be, Rose would be top 5, Kobe would be top 20 (not top 10).

[KG215]

Wade is not the 3rd best player in the league. Not anymore.

[Haks]

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Wade
4. Westbrook
5. Harden
6. CP3
7. Melo
8. Curry
9. Dwight
10. D. Will
11. Irving
12. Love
13. P. George
14. Griffin
15. Hibbert
16. Dirk
17. J. Wall
18. T. Parker
19. Chris Bosh
20. M. Gasol

*I didn't put Kobe or Rose in there, because one's coming off a torn ACL, and the other's coming off a torn Achilles. If I had to guess where they'd be, Rose would be top 5, Kobe would be top 20 (not top 10).
:biggums: Lol you cant be serious thinking wade is top 3 let alone top 5 when he averages 15 ppg last playoffs.....cmon bro it says coming into the season so we are basing it some what of last season

[Nash]

Am I the only one who had a problem with Melo in the top 5? He's a scorer, sure, but what about defence, playmaking and leadership to success?

[JTatStarranch]

20. Tim Duncan
19. Kobe Bryant
18. Paul George
17. Chris Bosh
16. Deron Williams
15. Roy Hibbert
14. John Wall
13. Tony Parker
12. Blake Griffin
11. Brook Lopez
10. Stephen Curry
9. Dwight Howard
8. Dwayne Wade
7. Kyrie Irving
6. Russell Westbrook
5. Chris Paul
4. James Harden
3. Carmelo Anthony
2. Kevin Durant
1. Lebron James


Terrible list

1. Tim Duncan
2. D. Wade
3. L. James
4. K. Durant
5. Chris Paul
6. R. Westbrook
7. D. Howard
8. J. Harden
9. D. Nowitzki
10. P. George
11. M. Gasol
12. R. Rondo
13. Z. Randolph
14. T. Parker
15. K. Garnett
16. K. Leonard
17. P. Gasol
18. B. Griffin
19. C. Parsons
20. K. Bryant

[JTatStarranch]

Am I the only one who had a problem with Melo in the top 5? He's a scorer, sure, but what about defence, playmaking and leadership to success?


He's somewhere around 20...

He does very little defensively,... not much on the boards or with passing.

He's basically just a streak shooter... Some nights he looks like a top 10 player on others he looks like about the 35th best player.

[RRR3]

Terrible list

1. Tim Duncan
2. D. Wade
3. L. James
4. K. Durant
5. Chris Paul
6. R. Westbrook
7. D. Howard
8. J. Harden
9. D. Nowitzki
10. P. George
11. M. Gasol
12. R. Rondo
13. Z. Randolph
14. T. Parker
15. K. Garnett
16. K. Leonard
17. P. Gasol
18. B. Griffin
19. C. Parsons
20. K. Bryant
Calls ops list terrible

Proceeds to make worst list of all time.

[RedBlackAttack]

Kyrie is nonwhere near the Peirce, Johnson, Durant, Duncan of the league who in the clutch shot a higher percentage than Kyrie and have been clutch in the playoffs where games actually matter.

Have you actually looked at the clutch stats or are you just talking out of your @ss (ie trolling)?

http://www.82games.com/1213/CSORT11.HTM

Last year, Kyrie was the best in the league in clutch scoring and shot 46.7 percent on those buckets per 48 minutes. That's a FG% far higher than Durant (39.2%), Pierce (34.3%) or Johnson (40.0%). Duncan shot 47.8% from the field, but scored less than half as many points.

Btw, only 10% of Kyrie's points in the clutch were assisted, which is a lower percentage than anyone not named Chris Paul in the top 25. That means he wasn't being fed open looks, but was creating shots.

Kyrie's 6.7 assists per 48 in the clutch was 5th highest of any player in the Top 20 in scoring in the clutch.

Did I mention he was 20 years old for most of the season? No one that young is even in the same stratosphere with him on this list.

Kyrie's highlights from his 59 games last season...

Kyrie Irving Full Sick Moves Highlights 2012-2013 -[HD] FULL!!!!MUST SEE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIJMJGeW-b4)

Yeah, he sucks. lol

[The JKidd Kid]

Have you actually looked at the clutch stats or are you just talking out of your @ss (ie trolling)?

http://www.82games.com/1213/CSORT11.HTM

Last year, Kyrie was the best in the league in clutch scoring and shot 46.7 percent on those buckets per 48 minutes. That's a FG% far higher than Durant (39.2%), Pierce (34.3%) or Johnson (40.0%). Duncan shot 47.8% from the field, but scored less than half as many points.

Btw, only 10% of Kyrie's points in the clutch were assisted, which is a lower percentage than anyone not named Chris Paul in the top 25. That means he wasn't being fed open looks, but was creating shots.

Kyrie's 6.7 assists per 48 in the clutch was 5th highest of any player in the Top 20 in scoring in the clutch.

Did I mention he was 20 years old for most of the season? No one that young is even in the same stratosphere with him on this list.


To put it simply, you lose.

Joe Johnson shot over 70% on game winners. Peirce shot over 50%. These guys also have actually proven to make big shots in the playoffs where games actually matter instead of a game between two teams that will receive top 10 picks. It's also funny how you fail to mention that he is -20 in the clutch and is the league leader in turnovers in the clutch by an INCREDIBLY large margin, actually a DISGUSTINGLY large margin. Not to mention the dozens of other players that shoot a higher percentage than him in the clutch. Honestly, how can anyone claim he's the clutchest player in the league with all these things going against him.

To put it simply, YOU lose.

[K Xerxes]

I think LeBron James is the only person that could have 2 MVPs, 2 rings and 2 FMVP in the last two years and not be a unanimous first on everyone's list. :facepalm

[RedBlackAttack]

Joe Johnson shot over 70% on game winners. Peirce shot over 50%. These guys also have actually proven to make big shots in the playoffs where games actually matter instead of a game between two teams that will receive top 10 picks. It's also funny how you fail to mention that he is -20 in the clutch and is the league leader in turnovers in the clutch by an INCREDIBLY large margin, actually a DISGUSTINGLY large margin. Not to mention the dozens of other players that shoot a higher percentage than him in the clutch. Honestly, how can anyone claim he's the clutchest player in the league with all these things going against him.

To put it simply, YOU lose.
:oldlol:

Changing your argument, eh? I guess you didn't bother to look at the numbers before formulating your weak argument, so it's time to abandon it for another incredibly weak argument.

What happened to the FG% in the clutch? No longer clinging to that one? :oldlol:

[JTatStarranch]

Calls ops list terrible

Proceeds to make worst list of all time.

That is the best and only true list there is.


Duncan outplayed all in the playoffs and can bring it at will. He averaged some 19points, 13 rebounds, on 51% shooting with very low turnovers and great block and passing stats. He would've won the finals against the 2nd and 3rd best players in the NBA had Popovich not been such an idiot and bench him in the final minute when it is imperative that a defensive rebound be grabbed. Duncan was the only one consistently grabbing defensive rebounds for either team.


Wade is the next best player because he makes more timely baskets than Lebron and he's a better passer and gets way fewer turnovers and less mistakes in general. Also he usually spurs Miami runs. Especially in the Playoffs when it matters most. He's also a better overall shot blocker and rebounder for his position.

1. Tim Duncan
2. D. Wade
3. L. James
4. K. Durant
5. Chris Paul
6. R. Westbrook
7. D. Howard
8. J. Harden
9. D. Nowitzki
10. P. George
11. M. Gasol
12. R. Rondo
13. Z. Randolph
14. T. Parker
15. K. Garnett
16. K. Leonard
17. P. Gasol
18. B. Griffin
19. C. Parsons
20. K. Bryant

[JTatStarranch]

I think LeBron James is the only person that could have 2 MVPs, 2 rings and 2 FMVP in the last two years and not be a unanimous first on everyone's list. :facepalm


He puts up a lot of stats, mainly because he has the ball a lot in the games.
But he also makes a ton of mistakes late and is very streaky. His stacked team bails him out most of the time.

[LongLiveTheKing]

1. Lebron
2. KD
3. CP3
4. Westbrook
5. Dwight
6. Kobe
7. Melo
8. James Harden
9. Dwyane Wade
10. Rose
11. Steph Curry
12. Tim Duncan
13. Rondo
14. Tony Parker
15. Blake
16. D-Will
17. Irving
18. Marc Gasol
19. Brooke Lopez
20. Chris Bosh

[The JKidd Kid]

:oldlol:

Changing your argument, eh? I guess you didn't bother to look at the numbers before formulating your weak argument, so it's time to abandon it for another incredibly weak argument.

What happened to the FG% in the clutch? No longer clinging to that one? :oldlol:

I mentioned FG% in the clutch and there are dozens of players that shot better than Irving. How is it a weak argument? Many players shoot better than him in the clutch, he leads the league in clutch turnovers by a DISGUSTINGLY LARGE margin, he is -20 in the clutch etc. There is absolutely no basis for him being the clutchest player in the league. Anyone that thinks that Irving, who has only played on bottom 5 teams is clutchest player in the league even though the stats say he isnt, is dillusional.

[Jameerthefear]

Tell me one thing I said that was wrong. Kyrie is an overrated, one dimensional, turnover prone scorer who adds nothing to his team other than scoring. At least Melo offers rebounding along with his scoring.
Kyrie is a better and more efficient scorer then Monta. His passing will get better, and he hasn't hit hid ceiling yet. If you'd take Monta over Kyrie you're just not a smart person.

[KG215]

That is the best and only true list there is.


Duncan outplayed all in the playoffs and can bring it at will. He averaged some 19points, 13 rebounds, on 51% shooting with very low turnovers and great block and passing stats. He would've won the finals against the 2nd and 3rd best players in the NBA had Popovich not been such an idiot and bench him in the final minute when it is imperative that a defensive rebound be grabbed. Duncan was the only one consistently grabbing defensive rebounds for either team.


Wade is the next best player because he makes more timely baskets than Lebron and he's a better passer and gets way fewer turnovers and less mistakes in general. Also he usually spurs Miami runs. Especially in the Playoffs when it matters most. He's also a better overall shot blocker and rebounder for his position.

1. Tim Duncan
2. D. Wade
3. L. James
4. K. Durant
5. Chris Paul
6. R. Westbrook
7. D. Howard
8. J. Harden
9. D. Nowitzki
10. P. George
11. M. Gasol
12. R. Rondo
13. Z. Randolph
14. T. Parker
15. K. Garnett
16. K. Leonard
17. P. Gasol
18. B. Griffin
19. C. Parsons
20. K. Bryant
Registered in September 2011, has 19 posts.

Obvious troll account is obvious.

[The JKidd Kid]

Kyrie is a better and more efficient scorer then Monta. His passing will get better, and he hasn't hit hid ceiling yet. If you'd take Monta over Kyrie you're just not a smart person.

No one in their right mind thinks that Monta is a better player than Kyrie. I said that Monta is a better PG than Kyrie because of his larger assist numbers with less turnovers. Kyrie is the better player.

Of course he's going to get better, I just don't understand how anyone can put him in the top 10 players NOW, IMO hes barely a top 20 player right now considering his AWFUL defense and passing.

[noob cake]

No one in their right mind thinks that Monta is a better player than Kyrie. I said that Monta is a better PG than Kyrie because of his larger assist numbers with less turnovers. Kyrie is the better player.

Of course he's going to get better, I just don't understand how anyone can put him in the top 10 players NOW, IMO hes barely a top 20 player right now considering his AWFUL defense and passing.

So damn dumb.

Irving plays better defense than Wall, Westbrook and JASON KIDD statistically. Just check Synergy for the stats. Irving playing poor defense is the worst falsehood on Insidehoops being spread in every damn Irving thread.

Getting flashy blocks is not everything in playing defense.

[The JKidd Kid]

So damn dumb.

Irving plays better defense than Wall, Westbrook and JASON KIDD statistically. Just check Synergy for the stats. Irving playing poor defense is the worst falsehood on Insidehoops being spread in every damn Irving thread.

Getting flashy blocks is not everything in playing defense.

The best stat to judge defense is opponent PER, but only in certain situations. Kyrie Irving held opposing players to a 19 PER which is awful compared to guys like Williams and Rondo who held the opposition to 13 and 14 respectively when healthy. Obviously, there are other factors such as team defense, but in this case the Nets and Celtics were by no means good defensive teams last season. Despite not playing on good defensive teams, Williams and Rondo held opposing PGs to a much lower PER than Kyrie. Therefore, this plus the eye test indicate that Kyrie is not a good defender when opposing players are putting up all-star caliber numbers against him every night.

[Fresh Kid]

I think LeBron James is the only person that could have 2 MVPs, 2 rings and 2 FMVP in the last two years and not be a unanimous first on everyone's list. :facepalm
Because everybody knows the refs always help him more than anybody else.

[ThickassGlasses]

I'm gonna include Kobe, Rose, and Goatbrook assuming all come back and play at 100%.


1) LeBron
2) Durant
3) Goatbrook
4) Kobe
5) Harden
6) CP3
7) Rose
8) George
9) Curry
10) Melo
11) Howard
12) Wade
13) Rondo
14) Wall
15) Duncan
16) Noah
17) Parker
18) Hibbert
19) Irving
20) Gasol/Lopez

[thabisyo]

Terrible list

1. Tim Duncan
2. D. Wade
3. L. James
4. K. Durant
5. Chris Paul
6. R. Westbrook
7. D. Howard
8. J. Harden
9. D. Nowitzki
10. P. George
11. M. Gasol
12. R. Rondo
13. Z. Randolph
14. T. Parker
15. K. Garnett
16. K. Leonard
17. P. Gasol
18. B. Griffin
19. C. Parsons
20. K. Bryant

Tim duncan? really, Tim duncan?

Not even durant or some one more reasonable but Tim duncan? :wtf:
:facepalm

Wade over Lebron and durant ?:facepalm

The rest of your list gets even worse after that

[WayOfWade]

:biggums: Lol you cant be serious thinking wade is top 3 let alone top 5 when he averages 15 ppg last playoffs.....cmon bro it says coming into the season so we are basing it some what of last season
"My name is 3." - Dwyane Wade
And as for coming into this season, Wade should actually be healthy, not have a shifting kneecap like he did in the playoffs. By the way, my list contained heavy bias and shouldn't be taken into serious consideration. I couldn't help myself.

[Frozen1]

Wade had a pretty good regular season for being a lebron teamate, 21-5-5 on 52FG%. And that with poor first 2 months because he was coming from knee surgery. Miami only had the 27 game win streak because wade and lebron were both almost equally beasting in that stretch.

The 2011 season was an exception because miami had no bench and was a lebron iso or wade iso team, but no one will put stats like 25-6-6 playing with lebron james.

You judge a player for playing injured in the whole playoffs, but some guys like rose or irving can get the benefit of the doubt for not even playing in the playoffs or for not playing in almost 2 years.

Howard is another guy very overrated, got excuses he was hurt last season and didn

[chips93]

So damn dumb.

Irving plays better defense than Wall, Westbrook and JASON KIDD statistically. Just check Synergy for the stats. Irving playing poor defense is the worst falsehood on Insidehoops being spread in every damn Irving thread.

Getting flashy blocks is not everything in playing defense.

those synergy defensive stats are deeply flawed

and kyrie is still a poor defender. not as bas as he was last year, but still below average imo.

and im pretty sure most cavs fans would agree

[chips93]

Registered in September 2011, has 19 posts.

Obvious troll account is obvious.


this

reading 3 of his posts brings me to that same conclusion also.

[Bird]

There is a disturbing lack of Kevin Love in these top 20 lists.

The top 2, in my opinion, are easy: LBJ and Durant. After that, things get incredibly murky with top players injured or coming off of injuries (Kobe, Dwight, Rose, Westbrook, Rondo, Wade, Love, etc.), young and improving players who could potentially make "the leap" (George, Wall, Irving, etc.) and then the "usuals" (Carmelo, Dirk, Marc Gasol, Paul, etc.).

My list:

1. LBJ
2. Durant

And, in no order, 3-20 (I will include Kobe, just because I would not be shocked at all if he was in the opening night starting 5):

Kobe
Rose
Curry
Dwight
Carmelo
George
Paul
Kyrie Irvin
Harden
Marc Gasol
Westbrook
Rondo
Love
Wade
Dirk
Wall
Tony Parker
Brook Lopez

(If I had to pick my top 5, assuming EVERYONE of them is healthy: Lebron, Durant, Kobe, Rose, Westbrook)