Carmelo's offensive arsenal is the greatest the NBA has ever seen.

[LosScandalous]

No Lebron stans allowed in this thread too. This is for basketball fans.

He has one of the Top 5 highest release points in league history. Silky smooth jumpshot that is hot from anywhere on the floor, especially in the clutch. Extremely lengthy to get his shot over anybody. Also unlike a lot of guys, he can spot up and shoot off the dribble at an efficient rate.
http://mikelucassports.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/ny-ax122_nyknic_dv_20110418172656.jpg

Elite level finisher at the rim and one of the lost arts that a lot of players don't have, he can drive left just as well as he can with his right. Making him an automatic mismatch that you have to respect.
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0210/nba_g_anthony_gb1_576.jpg

Elite level athlete than is a one man wrecking crew on a fast break. He has the hops to get good looks at dunks and high percentile efficient layups. Top 10 in game superstar dunkers of all time too.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hirrMt3Pkhc/TZ1Kw2mQhcI/AAAAAAAAAPk/WceWOGwPMQI/s1600/meloDunk_400_060803.jpg

When you think about the 3 best post up perimeter players of all time, these names pop up...

Jordan
Kobe
and Carmelo

This is where Carmelo does his best damage. He's relentles when it comes to backing down a defender. You can't stop him, he's just to big and strong.

His face-up one drible turnaround jumper is smooth but his face-up drive is hands down the greatest ever. Factor in his speed, size and elite slasher ability. It's literally unstopable. Also he has very good handles in the post.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.134430.1313979588!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_200/amd-carmelo-anthony-jumps-jpg.jpg


I think we need to set our differences with whatever problem we had (if we even had one) with Carmelo and appreciate him as the aesthetically game pleasing player he is.

He has every offensive attack in the book and has spent his entire life perfecting them. He hasn't even peaked yet.

[thabisyo]

As if wilds09 wasn't enough, now we got more morons :facepalm

[PickernRoller]

I can't agree with the thread title. I can agree he's a great offensive talent. Good luck with the wannabe trolls.

[LosScandalous]

As if wilds09 wasn't enough, now we got more morons :facepalm

Yeah and you're just one of the most insightful posters on this board :rolleyes:

eat a dick, you also try way too hard

[Unbiased_one]

....

Michael Jordan

/thread

[thabisyo]

Yeah and you're just one of the most insightful posters on this board :rolleyes:

eat a dick, you also try to hard

fa99ot :facepalm
Knicks suck and everything that associated with it

[AintNoSunshine]

Is that why he has exactly one scoring title for the almost ten years that he's in the league?

[KobesFinger]

The two other guys you listed have a better offensive repertoire than Melo

[LosScandalous]

Is that why he has exactly one scoring title for the almost ten years that he's in the league?

Like I said, he's spent years perfecting his talent and he's going to continue to improve. His talent didn't just fall in his hands like a lot of guys.

He's a student of the game, gotta respect his variety.

[Mighty Dogg]

As a huge Knicks fan, I must say Carmelo is one of the most one-dimensional scorers in the NBA. He runs iso all day and always forces the jump shot. He's great at it, but it's basically all he does. Last season during the playoffs he was shut down hard, shooting barely 30% from the field most games. He's not the greatest offensive NBA talent by a long shot.

[LosScandalous]

The two other guys you listed have a better offensive repertoire than Melo

I give Melo the advantage because of his unstopable length and he's going to even get better in the future.

Defenders have a tougher time affecting Melo's shots at all, unlike MJs and Kobe's.

[AintNoSunshine]

Like I said, he's spent years perfecting his talent and he's going to continue to improve. His talent didn't just fall in his hands like a lot of guys.

He's a student of the game, gotta respect his variety.


So it took him 9 full years to improve his percentage to 44%? It will take him 35 years to reach Lebron's 56%, btw Lebron's 3rd all time in PPG, suck it bish.

[AintNoSunshine]

I give Melo the advantage because of his unstopable length and he's going to even get better in the future.

Defenders have a tougher time affecting Melo's shots at all, unlike MJs and Kobe's.


nope, too chubby, no heart

[thabisyo]

As a huge Knicks fan, I must say Carmelo is one of the most one-dimensional scorers in the NBA. He runs iso all day and always forces the jump shot. He's great at it, but it's basically all he does. Last season during the playoffs he was shut down hard, shooting barely 30% from the field most games. He's not the greatest offensive NBA talent by a long shot.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

The only time I would bow down to a knicks fan

[LosScandalous]

nope, too chubby, no heart
carmelo is still a qt3.14 unlike lebron

[Unbiased_one]

Like I said, he's spent years perfecting his talent and he's going to continue to improve. His talent didn't just fall in his hands like a lot of guys.

He's a student of the game, gotta respect his variety.

Having a variety of mediocre options does not equal greatness

[thabisyo]

Having a variety of mediocre options does not equal greatness

:applause:

[LosScandalous]

As a huge Knicks fan, I must say Carmelo is one of the most one-dimensional scorers in the NBA. He runs iso all day and always forces the jump shot. He's great at it, but it's basically all he does. Last season during the playoffs he was shut down hard, shooting barely 30% from the field most games. He's not the greatest offensive NBA talent by a long shot.

He does not just iso (but he still is one of the best ISO at the top of the key guys in the league) he is one of the best at making sure he uses his weapons.

his tendacies last year were 23.9% iso, 18% other, 8.6% transition, 16.2% spot up, 17.4% post up, 10.5 P&R and when he does force shots can people stop it? :confusedshrug:

He was tired in the playoffs from carrying the knicks. Bargnani is in town now he has a real 3rd option scorer unlike that chucker Felton.

[Kblaze8855]

He has way too many games needing 25 to 35 shots to score over 30 for me to care how talented he might be. Even if he had the best ever.....and he doesn't.....his skillset is irrelevant when the shots don't go in.

And nobody has been a more skilled scorer than Kobe in a long time anyway. And as a straight up offensive player? Melo has nothing on Steve Nash.

He's well rounded....but he could use it much better than he does.

[STATUTORY]

Melo is certainly not the most efficient offensive player and nor is he the most diverse or possessing the most varied repertoir, that honor goes to Kobe.

So I see no dimensions by which Melo is the best offensive player. Guy is horribly overrated because he plays in NY and has that thuggish image

[LosScandalous]

Having a variety of mediocre options does not equal greatness

according to who? and who else has that variety right now outside of Kobe? nobody

Also for a guy that shoots 83% from the line, 45%fg and 38% from downtown..... Melo's "inefficiency" is stretched big time, especially when you consider how much he has to carry the Knicks.

[AirFederer]

Lol wut? Sweet J but sucks at finishing at the rim

Have you heard bout a guy called Mike? He was aiiiiight :cheers:

[Overdrive]

Almost everytime I watch him play he does pull ups and turn arounds from the post, which unless he's hot misses at a high rate. I think his arsenal is highly overrated. I'd rather have James' ugly but effective bulldozing than Melo's "beautiful" turnaround misses.

[macpierce]

Almost everytime I watch him play he does pull ups and turn arounds from the post, which unless he's hot misses at a high rate. I think his arsenal is highly overrated. I'd rather have James' ugly but effective bulldozing than Melo's "beautiful" turnaround misses.

especially Melo's offense in the playoffs is lacking...

[KobesFinger]

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/165553/houston2_5b1_5d.jpg

[jzek]

1) Jordan
2) What's his playoff record again?
3) :facepalm

[GOBB]

When you think about the 3 best post up perimeter players of all time, these names pop up...

Jordan
Kobe
and Carmelo

Hard to include Carmelo when he has games 9-23. Sure Melo has a nice post up game and no one questions that. But he doesnt utilize it to his advantage often and bails out defenses by jacking jumpers. Sure its lovely when they go in but :facepalm when they miss over and over. I just dont think Carmelo puts together an offensive feast display properly.

[GOBB]

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/165553/houston2_5b1_5d.jpg

Irrelevant picture. :confusedshrug:

[K Xerxes]

Elite level finisher at the rim

Is this a joke?

Last season, Melo shot .537 AT THE RIM and .477 on LAYUPS. How do you convert on less than 50% of your layups? In the playoffs, I'm sure he converted on less than 50% of his shots at the rim and less than 30% of layups. :facepalm

Tony Allen, widely considered to be the worst finisher of the league, managed .569 at the rim and .524 on layups.

Compare that to James' .756 at the rim and .676 on layups. That is an 'elite finisher at the rim'.

Durant - .738 at the rim and .608 on layups.

Even 34 year old Kobe managed .693 at the rim and .635 on layups.

These are the perimeter scorers Melo is compared to. I know this is a troll thread, but Melo is an atrocious finisher at the rim. He is a good range shooter, but he does not have the best offensive arsenal in the NBA with respect to shooting. Even now - that belongs to Durant. And, lord, it's beyond an insult to compare him to the greats of the past.

When defenses keyed in on him in the playoffs, he was awful. He routinely shot his team out of games and played no part in 'ball movement'. People need to go revisit the playoff run he had.

I would take Paul George over Melo. The difference in defense between the two offsets the difference in offense where Melo is completely overrated imo. Sorry, he's a top 10 player in the league, but I don't want Melo on my team.

[deja vu]

Top 10 in game superstar dunkers of all time too.


When you think about the 3 best post up perimeter players of all time, these names pop up...

Jordan
Kobe
and Carmelo


His face-up one drible turnaround jumper is smooth but his face-up drive is hands down the greatest ever.


He has every offensive attack in the book and has spent his entire life perfecting them. He hasn't even peaked yet.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/mj-laughing.gif

[GOBB]

Is this a joke?

Last season, Melo shot .537 AT THE RIM and .477 on LAYUPS. How do you convert on less than 50% of your layups? In the playoffs, I'm sure he converted on less than 50% of his shots at the rim and less than 30% of layups. :facepalm

Tony Allen, widely considered to be the worst finisher of the league, managed .569 at the rim and .524 on layups.

Compare that to James' .756 at the rim and .676 on layups. That is an 'elite finisher at the rim'.

Durant - .738 at the rim and .608 on layups.

Even 34 year old Kobe managed .693 at the rim and .635 on layups.

These are the perimeter scorers Melo is compared to. I know this is a troll thread, but Melo is an atrocious finisher at the rim. He is a good range shooter, but he does not have the best offensive arsenal in the NBA with respect to shooting. Even now - that belongs to Durant. And, lord, it's beyond an insult to compare him to the greats of the past.

When defenses keyed in on him in the playoffs, he was awful. He routinely shot his team out of games and played no part in 'ball movement'. People need to go revisit the playoff run he had.

I would take Paul George over Melo. The difference in defense between the two offsets the difference in offense where Melo is completely overrated imo. Sorry, he's a top 10 player in the league, but I don't want Melo on my team.

You could have left this part out given Tony Allen probably takes a fraction of attempts at the rim to even use his %'s. :confusedshrug:

Everything else was cool in the post even tho I disagree with taking George over Melo but thats preference which I understand. The defense is cool in George favor but the ability to take over games, be clutch favors Melo. George has to emerge in this area for me to take him over Melo. Not like George isnt young and still progressing but I need to see it vs go on what isnt there.

[LosScandalous]

Laugh all you want, you guys will be the first to be making excuses when Melo wins a chip next year.

I'll be watching it all unfold in the playoffs since the lakers are going to take a 1 year hiatus and Kobe will be doing the same thing then.

Offensive Juggernauts > Bulldozers

[Clifton]

I've known guys that could score from anywhere on the court... and pass. And dribble. And score reliably.

If Melo had those things in his "arsenal," then why yes, he would be... top 5. Even as just a scorer, you've not convinced me how he has a wider "arsenal" than Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Hakeem, or Steve Nash, just to name the first 5 guys who came to mind.

[K Xerxes]

You could have left this part out given Tony Allen probably takes a fraction of attempts at the rim to even use his %'s. :confusedshrug:

This is actually not true. Over the entire season and playoffs, Allen took 406 shots at the rim to Melo's 458, and 340 layups to Melo's 388. That is not that large of a difference considering the number of games played by both.

Contrast that to James who took 200 more shots at the rim than both, and >100 more layups, and converts at about 10-20% more than either. That shows how awful Melo is at finishing.


Everything else was cool in the post even tho I disagree with taking George over Melo but thats preference which I understand. The defense is cool in George favor but the ability to take over games, be clutch favors Melo. George has to emerge in this area for me to take him over Melo. Not like George isnt young and still progressing but I need to see it vs go on what isnt there.

I see your point here, and I have no problem with anyone choosing Melo. The thing is, I know that however poorly George is playing offensively, he will always provide elite perimeter defense night in night out. If Melo's shot isn't falling, he has the habit of continuing to shoot and shoot, and he can ultimately shoot his team out of the game and still be a blackhole on defense.

[Lakers2877]

Melo has serious off game

But kobes got him beat.

[To4]

i like slim melo more than the chubby cheerios melo.. i would say he has a lot of

offensive arsenal at his disposal, but the cringe worthy is that uhh, his

percentage is so low, needs to take 15-30 shots or more to score atleast 30.

if near the rim, he always goes with that soft ass layups when he needs to

dunk that shit....

[Jacks3]

Elite level finisher at the rim

lol wat. Melo is a horrible finisher at the rim. 54%.

Compare that to LeBron (77%), Wade (75%), Kobe (70%) and Harden (68%).

Terrible.

[Derka]

lol, Top 5 release point.

You people...

[Lakers2877]

Laugh all you want, you guys will be the first to be making excuses when Melo wins a chip next year.

I'll be watching it all unfold in the playoffs since the lakers are going to take a 1 year hiatus and Kobe will be doing the same thing then.

Offensive Juggernauts > Bulldozers
How in the world do you think the Knicks are going to win the nba title next season?

[Lakers2877]

If I had my choice of any player in the nba coming to the lakers, outside of Lebron, I might take Paul George. I would definitely take him over Melo.

[BBallZen83]

Laugh all you want, you guys will be the first to be making excuses when Melo wins a chip next year.

I'll be watching it all unfold in the playoffs since the lakers are going to take a 1 year hiatus and Kobe will be doing the same thing then.

Offensive Juggernauts > Bulldozers
Your buddy wilds09 predicted the juggernaut knicks to bulldoze the league last season. Well they had a rough time with a truly washed up and old celtic and were dismantled by the pacers. Enjoy your prediction come post season.

[LikeABosh]

Hes won a grand total of 3 playoff series and has shot under 40% in 5 separate playoff runs

[LikeABosh]

Carmelo is a mediocre athlete and an AWFUL finisher at the rim. Also you say his offensive arsenal is the greatest ever. Was his 2.5 assists per game so legendary?

[Nastradamus]

Carmelo is a very good perimeter scorer and I give him credit because his teams always win more than the sum of their parts(after Melo). I mean, if you put say, even someone like Rudy Gay on that team they don't make the playoffs at all probably.

However, he is certainly not the most versatile scorer of all time and his lack of playmaking is an issue. Like its been said, he can't finish at the rim

I give him a lot of credit for that postgame and the way he fixed his 3 point shot though.

[SilkkTheShocker]

carmelo is still a qt3.14 unlike lebron

Are we going to compare LeBron and Melo's respective achievements? Do you really want to go there, son?

[Clifton]

This is actually not true. Over the entire season and playoffs, Allen took 406 shots at the rim to Melo's 458, and 340 layups to Melo's 388. That is not that large of a difference considering the number of games played by both.

Contrast that to James who took 200 more shots at the rim than both, and >100 more layups, and converts at about 10-20% more than either. That shows how awful Melo is at finishing.
Wow, devastating stat.

[K Xerxes]

Wow, devastating stat.

I know, I couldn't believe it myself. I knew Melo was a bad finisher, but that bad?

Even worse, look at this (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&year_id=2013&is_playoffs=&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=LAY-UP&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q1=Y&q2=Y&q3=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=fga&c1comp=ge&c1val=300&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg)

Out of the 27 players who have attempted >300 layups in the regular season and playoffs, only ****ing Omer Asik has a worse eFG%. :facepalm

I actually think it kills any argument that Melo is the 'best' scorer in the league. Versatility is apparently the best argument for him... but he is so poor around the rim.

[Dionysus]

Carmelo is nothing more than a fat overrated bloke who only ISO on the perimeter. Gets out of breathe as soon as he starts to play defense. He and The Knicks will never win a title.

Head at rim level you say yes? I say no. He is a talent scorer, but thats it. He surely isn't better than LeBron and Kobe. He's a little bit on Jordan level.

[WayOfWade]

It's too bad that to win, you need a defensive arsenal as well.

[secund2nun]

Having a variety of mediocre options does not equal greatness

Melo= overrated

Shaq is a far superior scorer than Melo ever has been and he scores in only one main way.

SCORING IS SCORING. Who the heck cares how you do it. Lebron is a 10000 times better scorer than Melo along with many other players.

[GOBB]

This is actually not true. Over the entire season and playoffs, Allen took 406 shots at the rim to Melo's 458, and 340 layups to Melo's 388. That is not that large of a difference considering the number of games played by both.

Contrast that to James who took 200 more shots at the rim than both, and >100 more layups, and converts at about 10-20% more than either. That shows how awful Melo is at finishing.

Now that i wasnt aware of. Appreciate you correcting me. :cheers:



I see your point here, and I have no problem with anyone choosing Melo. The thing is, I know that however poorly George is playing offensively, he will always provide elite perimeter defense night in night out. If Melo's shot isn't falling, he has the habit of continuing to shoot and shoot, and he can ultimately shoot his team out of the game and still be a blackhole on defense.

Valid points.

[imdaman99]

all you ppl mentioning his assists. you guys sure you wanna see JR smith shoot more? :oldlol:

oh wait there is felton with 0 pts in game 6. theres also tyson chandler :bowdown:

[fjjkk102]

Yes, Carmelo is a bad finisher around the rim. But he's a underrated offensive rebounder who can follow his own miss. He tend to shoot the basketball soft, and anticipate where the basketball gonna be. U can see him shoot 2 to 3 times in one possession. That's why his FG% around the rim is so poor.

He might have the most offensive arsenal of all-time. But it doesn't matter. It not the point you can win the chip or not.

Carmelo have to be a two-way player, or at lest put the best defensive effort on his team.

I still believe he can win it all w/him been the MAN. But everything around him ,his teammates his coach, have to be perfect. And he have to play out of his mind like Dirk did in 2011.

[SamuraiSWISH]

LOL what?

MJ, is the greatest offensive weapon:

Bball Intelligence
Quick Strike Mentality
Jumper
Free-Throw %
Range (when given, not forced)
Footwork
Post Game
Quick First Step
Finish @ Rim (elusive, over the top, or through you)
Pass the Rock
Transition Nightmare
Handle
ISO moves
Strength
Speed
Clutch Ability
Off the Ball Game
Slash Ability
Catch and Shoot Ability
Durability
Dexterity
Size (not too small, not too large and slow)
Fundamentals
Entertaining Swagger / Aesthetics

Greatest offensive talent EVER, he's the entire package. The perfect player, IMO. Players can have cases made for them, but none came together quite as nicely as Jordan.

He was basically like a melting pot of current stars we hype up so much: Kobe, Wade, LeBron, Durant, and VC. A combo of all these players. Frightening.

[iDunk]

True Story

[Young X]

So great that he shoots 41% in the playoffs for his CAREER. WTF is the point of a "great scoring arsenal" if you're hurting your teams offense by chucking 26 shots to get 29 points while shooting below 40%?

[KyleKong]

To bad he sucks so much balls on defense and team play he will never accomplish anything.

[CavaliersFTW]

Melo is a poor mans Elgin Baylor in terms of scoring versatility, and that's a HUGE compliment because his passing and rebounding and his overall abilities as an all around baller are not near as good as Elgin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXm31A9Zfc8

[leMVP]

the title made my day, he can't even finish at the rim. and you say the greatest offensive arsenal ever?

[Chrono90]

Just on top of my head easily better offensively than Melo...

Iverson back in his prime
Tmac back in his good days
Kobe
Lebron
Durant
Jordan

[Unbiased_one]

Just on top of my head easily better offensively than Melo...

Iverson back in his prime
Tmac back in his good days
Kobe
Lebron
Durant
Jordan

Shaq is a better offensively player than melo. Who cares how it goes in?

[Psycho]

Shaq is a better offensively player than melo. Who cares how it goes in?

I do. How can I fap to a huge sweaty dude just banging into other slightly less huge sweaty dudes? Oh wait, nevermind.

[BoutPractice]

Carmelo is really fun to watch, but come on... greatest offensive arsenal of all time? Ever heard of Michael Jordan?