Who would win Kobe-Shaq or the Three Amigos?

[G-Funk]

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With Shaq in his 3 prime years, and Kobe nearing his prime, and still willing to play second fiddle, and the Zen Master as coach, I gotta go with the Lakers.

[noob cake]

Shaq vs Bosh

Is this a question?

[WayOfWade]

Lakers can't handle the Heat!!!
Just kidding, Heat would get shat on repeatedly.

[Unbiased_one]

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With Shaq in his 3 prime years, and Kobe nearing his prime, and still willing to play second fiddle, and the Zen Master as coach, I gotta go with the Lakers.

The heat can barely stop Roy hibbert...the heat are built for the current league. If there were a single really dominant big man in the league the heat would have a different composition.

[Psycho]

Lebron is a winner. Winners win. He would unleash his rage all over Frobe and his gigantic friend. Heat in 4.

[G-Funk]

Shaq vs Bosh

Is this a question?

Lakers didn't have a 3rd fiddle as good as Wade

[leMVP]

Lebron would need to dominate to a level suitable enough to counter shaq's raping bosh in the paint. and he's capable of this.

Wade and kobe?healthy Wade would win this battle for sure.

Miami by slight margin.

[G-Funk]

The heat can barely stop Roy hibbert...the heat are built for the current league. If there were a single really dominant big man in the league the heat would have a different composition.
it didn't make a difference, for Jordan & Pippen, they were in a league with Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson and Ewing.

[IncarceratedBob]

Shaq > LeBron
Kobe > Wade

Next.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Bosh couldn't even guard Hibbert. Shaq would average well over 30ppg. Heat would still win imo. They LeBron is just too good.

[Fresh Kid]

Kobe and shaq would win 4-1

[Jameerthefear]

LA. Shaq rapes MIA and Kobe >>>> Wade.

[Bobby13]

Both teams have great benches. I can't see either Young Kobe or Wade having an advantage against each other. Fox would at least attempt to slow down LeBron, who would still play very well. But there's nobody on the Heat team who can offer a decent counter to peak Shaq. Lakers in 6

[Psycho]

All you guys saying the Heat have no answer for Shaq have forgotten the most important facet of the team:

The Flop

[kennethgriffin]

2 top 10 players all time ( 1 at the end of his prime, 1 at the beginning of his )

2001 lakers would do the same thing to miami that they did against every nba team in the playoffs


sweep with a 1 loss margin of error for a 2 week layoff of rust

[Twiens]

Lakers in a sweep, maybe 5. Miami can't even guard Roy fkn Hibbert :roll:

[Lakers2877]

Lakers can't handle the Heat!!!
Just kidding, Heat would get shat on repeatedly.
Lol please.

[thabisyo]

If it is Prime Wade and Prime Lebron, Miami wins :confusedshrug:

Prime Wade wipes the floor with Kobe

Shaq wipes the floor with Bosh

Lebron Wipes The floor with any one else left in lakers

Miami wins

[9erempiree]

Sweep.

Kobe would destroy Wade. If he's destroying Wade in his 17th season, imagine prime young freaking Kobe. Most likely they will switch Lebron and Wade defensively on Kobe and it would definitely tire out a 28 year old Lebron.

We know Kobe can play defense and one of the greatest on ball defenders of all time. Young Kobe would probably lock down Lebron, since Lebron has no jumper.

All that and Shaq, Miami will lose. Like I said, this era is filled with loaded teams of trio's. Back in the day it was just Kobe and Shaq.

Sweep and two blowouts by the Lakers.

[9erempiree]

If it is Prime Wade and Prime Lebron, Miami wins :confusedshrug:


Sorry but those two were never in their prime together. We talking about Miami championship team vs. Shaq and Kobe.

If they were in their prime, there is no chance against inside/outside game like the Lakers.

[sc19]

Prime Wade blows by Bryant easily.

[thabisyo]

Sweep.

Kobe would destroy Wade. If he's destroying Wade in his 17th season, imagine prime young freaking Kobe. Most likely they will switch Lebron and Wade defensively on Kobe and it would definitely tire out a 28 year old Lebron.

We know Kobe can play defense and one of the greatest on ball defenders of all time. Young Kobe would probably lock down Lebron, since Lebron has no jumper.

All that and Shaq, Miami will lose. Like I said, this era is filled with loaded teams of trio's. Back in the day it was just Kobe and Shaq.

Sweep and two blowouts by the Lakers.

Prime Kobe couldnt stop AI and certainly not WADE! The only Problem is shaq

[Papaya Petee]

Sweep.

Kobe would destroy Wade. If he's destroying Wade in his 17th season, imagine prime young freaking Kobe. Most likely they will switch Lebron and Wade defensively on Kobe and it would definitely tire out a 28 year old Lebron.

We know Kobe can play defense and one of the greatest on ball defenders of all time. Young Kobe would probably lock down Lebron, since Lebron has no jumper.

All that and Shaq, Miami will lose. Like I said, this era is filled with loaded teams of trio's. Back in the day it was just Kobe and Shaq.

Sweep and two blowouts by the Lakers.

:lol Wade averaged 29 PPG against Kobe this year and shit on him.

[thabisyo]

Sorry but those two were never in their prime together. We talking about Miami championship team vs. Shaq and Kobe.

If they were in their prime, there is no chance against inside/outside game like the Lakers.

That wasnt Prime kobe. That was Second fiddle kobe and either way, he cant stop wade. Wade would never let kobe clown with him even if wade was on a wheel chair :facepalm

[9erempiree]

That wasnt Prime kobe. That was Second fiddle kobe and either way, he cant stop wade. Wade would never let kobe clown with him even if wade was on a wheel chair :facepalm

Kobe was crapping on the Spurs defense with defensive stoppers such as Bowen and Twin Towers. It just really shows you how good non-prime Kobe was.

You really think bum @ss Wade is going to fade Bryant?

From a defensive standpoint, people were saying those were Bryant's best years.

[thabisyo]

Kobe was crapping on the Spurs defense with defensive stoppers such as Bowen and Twin Towers. It just really shows you how good non-prime Kobe was.

You really think bum @ss Wade is going to fade Bryant?

From a defensive standpoint, people were saying those were Bryant's best years.

May have been his best years. Still doesn't make him better than Wade. :lol

The only reason Kobe is over celebrated is cause of his rings. Nikka aint better than Wade or AI or Lebron

[9erempiree]

Kobe Playoff Averages:

29/7/6
27/6/5
32/5/5

Good luck trying to stop Shaq and Kobe.

[kenuffff]

prime shaq coached by phil jackson? this shouldn't even be a question. they beat the blazers who had more top to bottom talent than miami.

[Soundwave]

Prime Shaq > Prime LeBron (yup I said it)

2001 Era Kobe > Current Wade

Bosh vs. Horry ain't making up the difference. I'd honestly rather have Horry honestly, he hits bigger shots and plays better D and Bosh's offense isn't utilized by the Heat anyway.

Lakers got this. Shaq would demolish the Heat interior.

I actually don't even think it'd be all that close. Lakers in 5 or 6. Heat needed 7 games to beat a Granger-less Pacers and another 7 games (and a miracle) to beat a older than dirt San Antonio.

[GrapeApe]

Assuming both teams are healthy, I'd say Kobe and Wade cancel each other out, LeBron dominates, and Shaq shits on everyone. Lakers in 7.

[thabisyo]

Prime Shaq > Prime LeBron (yup I said it)

2001 Era Kobe > Current Wade

Bosh vs. Horry ain't making up the difference. I'd honestly rather have Horry honestly, he hits bigger shots and plays better D and Bosh's offense isn't utilized by the Heat anyway.

Lakers got this. Shaq would demolish the Heat interior.

I actually don't even think it'd be all that close. Lakers in 5 or 6. Heat needed 7 games to beat a Granger-less Pacers and another 7 games (and a miracle) to beat a older than dirt San Antonio.

2011 or 2012 Wade shits on kobe. Can you people stop lying to your selfs. Wade was injured most of the year

Shaq can score his 40pts, Lebron can match it :confusedshrug:

[Soundwave]

2011 or 2012 Wade shits on kobe. Can you people stop lying to your selfs. Wade was injured most of the year

Shaq can score his 40pts, Lebron can match it :confusedshrug:

Shaq impacts the game more than just offensively, Wade and LeBron aren't driving to the rim at will with an actual real center at the rim. They were getting bothered by freaking Hibbert :oldlol:

Shaq would also pretty much destroy any kind of defensive scheme the Heat would play, they would have to collapse down on him.

I'm no fan of Kobe *at all*, but people actually need to go back and watch him play from that era.

He was pretty damn good, Wade IMO has lost a step for some time now and already into his 30s. I've noticed declining athleticism from Wade for a while now, not just this past season. He definitely is not 24/25 year old DWade anymore.

[9erempiree]

2011 or 2012 Wade shits on kobe. Can you people stop lying to your selfs. Wade was injured most of the year

Shaq can score his 40pts, Lebron can match it :confusedshrug:

Stats prove young Kobe shits on Wade. Which we know it's true. Wade wasn't even great in the Finals. I'm not saying Kobe was fantastic either but Kobe was better. It doesn't have to even do with Kobe being young. He is better than Wade. I just posted his post season stats too.

Lebron can match Shaq? We saw what bum @ss Kawhi and Diaw do to Lebron. Imagine young Kobe who actually played his best defense of his career on Lebron? Shutdown. Kobe also has that killer mentality and instinct, he would own Lebron, whom we know is a mental midget judging by what happened this year in the Finals.

No chance.

[bluechox2]

im sorry but 2001 kobe will murder lebron and chris bosh would need a stretcher 10 seconds into the first game

[SilkkTheShocker]

Wade/Kobe cancel each other out. But LeBron is just a superior player to Shaq, I have to give Miami the edge.

[TheReal Kendall]

Lakers would win. I think it would be pretty easy for them also. I would say 4-1.

Shaq would have a field day with the Heat bigs that they would would have to triple team and Shaq knows how to find the open shooter and Kobe would love it cause he will get to play 1v1 all game and series long.

Nobody was really stopping Kobe then and Lakers always had good role players like Fisher, Horry, Shaw, Vuajic, Fox and etc.

Heat doesn't have an answer with their current roster.

[9erempiree]

im sorry but 2001 kobe will murder lebron and chris bosh would need a stretcher 10 seconds into the first game

2001 Kobe was fast as hell and the dude was playing off the ball. He had so many alley oops and tip in dunks. He was all over the place.

To be honest, I don't even know if Lebron would be able to cover him with his size. He would have to be chasing Bryant all over. Wade would be limping off the court by halftime.

[TheReal Kendall]

Wade/Kobe cancel each other out. But LeBron is just a superior player to Shaq, I have to give Miami the edge.

:no:

[9erempiree]

If 17th season Kobe is owning Lebron on defense, young Kobe would cut him. Make that all star game look routine.

Spurs played team defense on Lebron. Lakers would just need Kobe.

[Soundwave]

I'd probably put Robert Horry/Rick Fox on LeBron most of the game and let Kobe guard him for certain stretches.

Kobe is too quick and has too much height (3 inches) on Wade, he'd be able to get his shot off at will over 2012 or 2013 DWade.

Shaq would have to be taken to court for what he'd do to Bosh/Birdman :lol

[thabisyo]

Bulls beat Magic with Shaq dropping his usual points. Makes zero difference. :confusedshrug:

As long as the other team has multiple scores, shaq has no effect. Lebron can score as much as he wants or as needed depending on the situation to match shaq's scoring

Kobe was too selfish even then, and please, Kobe could never be better than wade.

2011 wade shits on any version of kobe in the three peat

[Soundwave]

Bulls beat Magic with Shaq dropping his usual points. Makes zero difference. :confusedshrug:

As long as the other team has multiple scores, shaq has no effect. Lebron can score as much as he wants or as needed depending on the situation to match shaq's scoring

Kobe was too selfish even then, and please, Kobe could never be better than wade.

2011 wade shits on any version of kobe in the three peat

:lol I like Wade more than Kobe, but a 2001 era Kobe would light this version of DWade up like a Christmas tree.

I don't even think LeBron in terms of lateral quickness could stay in front of him on D.

[SuperPippen]

Wade/Kobe cancel each other out. But LeBron is just a superior player to Shaq, I have to give Miami the edge.

You must be attempting to usurp 9er's place as the biggest idiot on this board, what with all the bulshit you constantly spew.

Kobe outplays Wade, Lebron outplays everybody not named Shaq, and Shaq shits all over everyone.

Lakers in 6.

[Genaro]

I guess people already forgot how much trouble Heat had in 2013's finals.
If an old, washed up, without any superstars Spurs barely beat them (and I mean BARELY), how on earth would them beat the 3-peat lakers with the Most dominant ever and a superstar guard?
Not even debatable.

Lebron Ames would average at best 20 ppg since he got no J and the driving lanes would be closed.

[thabisyo]

:lol I like Wade more than Kobe, but a 2001 era Kobe would light this version of DWade up like a Christmas tree.

I don't even think LeBron in terms of lateral quickness could stay in front of him on D.

Norris Cole is super quick, whats is your point :roll: , wade is still better. Parker got shut by Cole not long ago :confusedshrug:

Wade is better than Cole or Kobe. The lakers were not unstoppable just had refs letting shaq be violent but other teams couldnt

[flipogb]

Bosh wouldn't make it to game 2

[Psycho]

I guess people already forgot how much trouble Heat had in 2013's finals.
If an old, washed up, without any superstars Spurs barely beat them (and I mean BARELY), how on earth would them beat the 3-peat lakers with the Most dominant ever and a superstar guard?
Not even debatable.

Lebron Ames would average at best 20 ppg since he got no J and the driving lanes would be closed.

Say that to my face and not online and see what happens fker. You wouldn't even dare breathe funny if you came down to my neck of the woods.

[Twiens]

Old, washed up Shaq dropped 45 on bosh....

[thabisyo]

Old, washed up Shaq dropped 45 on bosh....

Lebron dropped 39 on lakers with kobe, pau and howard. what is your point ?

[9erempiree]

Lebron dropped 39 on lakers with kobe, pau and howard. what is your point ?

Not the brightest eh?

[thabisyo]

Not the brightest eh?

You laker fan boys keep saying irrelevant statements so why cant we?
We already said shaq will drop his usual. No one is disputing that

The wheel is round, so what :confusedshrug:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Like I said, I gotta go with Miami. They have the best player of the two teams in LeBron.

[chazzy]

Paul George and Hibbert on roids basically

[Jameerthefear]

Wow. This thread is like a pissing contest between the trolls. It should be renamed "How much stupid sh1t can we say in 5 pages"

[imdaman99]

lakers in 5 maybe 6 if ray allen bails lebron out.

kobe was a great defender, and he was not gonna guard iverson for a full series. current wade is still good, but he was not a superstar outside of game 4 this year for the heat, which admittedly was likely their biggest game of the series. kobe and wade do not only cancel each other out. westbrook outplayed him a lot in last year's finals.

and i wont even get into shaq.

there were at least a few boris diaws on those 3peat lakers. lakers in 5-6.

[iamgine]

If Miami plays smart they'd be able to win. Constant double on Shaq. Limit his possessions. Hack-a-Shaq. Make other players make plays. They'd have to play better than this season's under performing playoff though. Wade and Bosh have to bring their normal game.

[eliteballer]

Paul George and Hibbert on roids basically

/thread:eek:

[deja vu]

Assuming all of them are in their primes.

Kobe/Shaq will beat LeBron/Wade/Bosh in 6 games, maybe 5.

Shaq will average close to 40 ppg, 15 rpg raping Bosh in the process. :lol

[leMVP]

let's basically put bosh out of this debate.

Peak bron + Healthy Wade > Peak shaq + young Kobe.

that's how i see it, it all depends on wade's health.

[tazb]

Well let's see, LeBron could 'maintain' Shaq, Wade could shut Kobe down, therefore Heat in 6.

[9erempiree]

No wonder Kobe gets underrated on here. Most people didn't even watch him play in his 3peat years. Judging by this thread.

At the time most people say they were going to run off 5 in a row, if both could get along.

:facepalm

[SilkkTheShocker]

All Miami has to really worry about is stopping Shaq. Shaq got his against Ben Wallace. It doesn't matter who you put on prime Shaq.The Lakers on the other hand have absolutely no one that can stop LeBron either. I got Heat in 6 with LeBron just having his way with that team.

[thabisyo]

All Miami has to really worry about is stopping Shaq. Shaq got his against Ben Wallace. It doesn't matter who you put on prime Shaq.The Lakers on the other hand have absolutely no one that can stop LeBron either. I got Heat in 6 with LeBron just having his way with that team.

That is what I keep saying :applause:

[9erempiree]

Paul George and Hibbert on roids basically

:oldlol:

basically.

[thabisyo]

Well let's see, LeBron could 'maintain' Shaq, Wade could shut Kobe down, therefore Heat in 6.

:applause:
He can match Shaq's points game for game


let's basically put bosh out of this debate.

Peak bron + Healthy Wade > Peak shaq + young Kobe.

that's how i see it, it all depends on wade's health.

:applause:
2011 Wade > 2001 Kobe :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[9erempiree]

there were at least a few boris diaws on those 3peat lakers. lakers in 5-6.

Few Boris Diaws and a young Kobe. It would be Wade or Lebron's worse Finals of their career.

[Reggie43]

I hated the Shaq/Kobe Lakers with a passion and actually rooted for Lebron/Wade since their rookie years but there is no way Miami will take this one. Lakers would probably win in 5-6 games simply because of their huge advantage inside with Shaq. Kobe in his athletic prime would only be the cherry on top.

For those saying that Lebron would cancel Shaq out probably didnt watch the latter in his absolute prime. Rick Fox has a good chance as anyone to limit Lebron James somewhat but Shaq being defended by the trio of Bosh/Birdman/Joel would be laughable

[K]

No wonder Kobe gets underrated on here. Most people didn't even watch him play in Shaq's 3peat years. Judging by this thread.

At the time most people say they were going to run off 5 in a row, if both could get along.

:facepalm

fixed

[thabisyo]

I hated the Shaq/Kobe Lakers with a passion and actually rooted for Lebron/Wade since their rookie years but there is no way Miami will take this one. Lakers would probably win in 5-6 games simply because of their huge advantage inside with Shaq. Kobe in his athletic prime would only be the cherry on top.

For those saying that Lebron would cancel Shaq out probably didnt watch the latter in his absolute prime. Rick Fox has a good chance as anyone to limit Lebron James somewhat but Shaq being defended by the trio of Bosh/Birdman/Joel would be laughable

By cancel we dont mean stop but match his scoring game by game

[9erempiree]

I hated the Shaq/Kobe Lakers with a passion and actually rooted for Lebron/Wade since their rookie years but there is no way Miami will take this one. Lakers would probably win in 5-6 games simply because of their huge advantage inside with Shaq. Kobe in his athletic prime would only be the cherry on top.

For those saying that Lebron would cancel Shaq out probably didnt watch the latter in his absolute prime. Rick Fox has a good chance as anyone to limit Lebron James somewhat but Shaq being defended by the trio of Bosh/Birdman/Joel would be laughable

Thank you for being objective and you even hated Kobe and Shaq.

:cheers:

[StocktonFan]

no one is stopping prime shaq or kobe...

[9erempiree]

no one is stopping prime shaq or kobe...

You're obviously right and you are a Stockton fan too. Utah fans hate the Lakers too.

3 Betas are not going to beat 2 Alphas, even with that one extra beta.

:cheers:

[Reggie43]

By cancel we dont mean stop but match his scoring game by game

Many players have matched the scoring of Shaq through the years in the playoffs but what you cannot replicate is the dominating fashion he scored those points, the double and triple teams he commanded thus creating scoring opportunities for teammates. He would foul out the other teams frontline singlehandedly getting in the bonus early which they took advantage of

[SilkkTheShocker]

I just have a hard time taking Kobe seriously since he always loses to Lebron. The series would be all on Shaq and the shooters

[thabisyo]

Many players have matched the scoring of Shaq through the years in the playoffs but what you cannot replicate is the dominating fashion he scored those points, the double and triple teams he commanded thus creating scoring opportunities for teammates. He would foul out the other teams frontline singlehandedly getting in the bonus early which they took advantage of

We aint doubling him :facepalm
That is a waste of time. Let shaq get his numbers and stop every one else

[SilkkTheShocker]

We aint doubling him :facepalm
That is a waste of time. Let shaq get his numbers and stop every one else
Exactly. Make Shaq beat you even it means Bosh possibly dying

[9erempiree]

I just hate to thought of Kobe and Shaq playing Miami.

It would be 1st degree rape. I'm afraid Kobe would be going to jail this time.

[deja vu]

We aint doubling him :facepalm
That is a waste of time. Let shaq get his numbers and stop every one else
LOL good luck. Instead of 40 Shaq will score 60. :roll:

[Reggie43]

We aint doubling him :facepalm
That is a waste of time. Let shaq get his numbers and stop every one else

and let him get 40+ points every game? Even with double teams he still got those numbers and more

[Jameerthefear]

Even if you don't worry about Shaq you still have to worry about Kobe. Dude can drop 30 easy, and if he's hot who knows.

[Bandito]

If it is the current Heat team they could win if they play similar defense to what the 04 Pistons did, stop the pass inside and prevent SHaq from getting the ball. They could do this because the Heat play terrific help defense and will probably beat the Lakers.

But if Frobe find a way to go around that and pass it to ShAQ is over for the Heat. If we take any of the championship Lakers team (the 04 team PG rotation was not good at all with Payton there) is not going to be as easy as it was for the Pistons in 04 though..

[SilkkTheShocker]

Even if you don't worry about Shaq you still have to worry about Kobe. Dude can drop 30 easy, and if he's hot who knows.
Meh, he always loses to Lebron anyway. Shaq is the one that makes it a tough series

[thabisyo]

and let him get 40+ points every game? Even with double teams he still got those numbers and more

Exactly. Shaq is kind of like lebron, they leave the shooters wide open. if the shooters are ineffective then the team will lose irrespective of how many points shaq or lebron score. it is a team sport.

I trust in Spoelstra :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Let see Phil Jackson win without The best Bigman in the game or MJ. Kobe is a loser without a Bigman :cheers:

[KOBE143]

They may stop Shaq but nobody is stopping Frobe.. :bowdown:

Lakers in 4

[Legends66NBA7]

Are we talking about a specific team during that time ? I'm assuming the Shaq-Kobe Lakers would be 00-01 Lakers vs... Big 3 11-12 Heat ? It depends which rules their playing under too.

Close series, but the Lakers would win IMO.

[Pushxx]

Lakers win.

[9erempiree]

Are we talking about a specific team during that time ? I'm assuming the Shaq-Kobe Lakers would be 00-01 Lakers vs... Big 3 11-12 Heat ? It depends which rules their playing under too.

Close series, but the Lakers would win IMO.

I say either 3peat team will beat Miami but if people are talking about the team that lost one game in the entire playoffs. Lakers blow them out every game like they did back then besides game 1 after a 2 week layoff.

[Wally450]

Came into this thread thinking the three amigos were the celtics big tres. Left disappointed.

[9erempiree]

Here is Kobe's game 2 performance after they lost game 1 to the Sixers. Nobody on Miami is going to cover him and still be effective on the offensive end.

That year Kobe held Iverson scoreless in the 2nd half in Philly. The man was 91 MJ defensive style.

This is not fair. Just look at this game. If they think Lebron can get out on the break check the vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-kpF8bOg7g

[Reggie43]

Exactly. Shaq is kind of like lebron, they leave the shooters wide open. if the shooters are ineffective then the team will lose irrespective of how many points shaq or lebron score. it is a team sport.

I trust in Spoelstra :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Let see Phil Jackson win without The best Bigman in the game or MJ. Kobe is a loser without a Bigman :cheers:

Shaq could literally score everytime down the floor being guarded by single coverage and you think the lakers would still lose? Thats something lebron wont be able to do as evidenced by his on/off games in the finals

Were not even factoring in the defense that Shaq brought to the table which might be the most underrated part of his game. They would be no easy baskets in the paint with Shaq roaming.

[9erempiree]

I miss this duo. Greatest of all time and two top 7 to ever play the game.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/443d6a9e52951871a8ee7ccce1382026/tumblr_mjar0fPzM61rugr0wo1_500.jpg

[G-Funk]

Here is Kobe's game 2 performance after they lost game 1 to the Sixers. Nobody on Miami is going to cover him and still be effective on the offensive end.

That year Kobe held Iverson scoreless in the 2nd half in Philly. The man was 91 MJ defensive style.

This is not fair. Just look at this game. If they think Lebron can get out on the break check the vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-kpF8bOg7g


2:45 :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[thabisyo]

I miss this duo. Greatest of all time and two top 7 to ever play the game.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/443d6a9e52951871a8ee7ccce1382026/tumblr_mjar0fPzM61rugr0wo1_500.jpg

Thats Cute
http://celebnmusic247.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Scottie-Pippen-Knocks-Out-Man-624-1.jpg

[9erempiree]

Thats Cute
http://celebnmusic247.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Scottie-Pippen-Knocks-Out-Man-624-1.jpg

Now you making some sense. Kobe and Shaq are compared to MJ/Pippen, forget this stuff about Lebron, Wade and Bosh beating those two.

Maybe you can ask the OP to change the title for me.

[thabisyo]

Now you making some sense. Kobe and Shaq are compared to MJ/Pippen, forget this stuff about Lebron, Wade and Bosh beating those two.

Maybe you can ask the OP to change the title for me.

:facepalm

Shaq and Kobe couldnt beat Lebron and wade when they have Bosh at center

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aolnews.com/media/2010/12/chris-bosh-wade-lebron-1210-600.jpg

[Marchesk]

This year's Heat would get wrecked. You'd need a healthy Wade. Shaq is going to do so much damage to that Heat team, that Lebron and Wade would have to be super dominant to counter, while holding Kobe in check and hoping the Laker's shooters aren't hot.

As for the 04 Pistons, it helps to have a Rasheed and Ben Wallace. Miami literally has nobody on the interior to slow Shaq down. Mutombo was a real center and an excellent defender, and he just got abused. Indianna had Smits and Dale Davis and they got abused. It wouldn't even be funny what Shaq would do to Miami. There's nothing Spolstra could do without leaving the rest of the Lakers open.

We're talking 40+ point 16+ rebound dominance, and that's being conservative. The Heat are not in anyway built to stop a HOF center. Wade and Lebron will think twice before coming into the paint. Shaq would just own the interior. Miami three point shoots better be really on.

[Scholar]

Wade wouldn't be able to keep pace with a young Kobe; Shaq would destroy Bosh worse than anyone ever has; and LeBron would need to take over every possession for the Heat to get passed the Lakers. Not happening, so LAL all day.

[longtime lurker]

Lakers take this all day. The only Heat team that would even make it close are the '12 Heat. If they play in the finals Lakers might still have the 2 best players on the court. The Heat are an era specific team.

[Straight_Ballin]

I miss this duo. Greatest of all time and two top 7 to ever play the game.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/443d6a9e52951871a8ee7ccce1382026/tumblr_mjar0fPzM61rugr0wo1_500.jpg

Your obsession with Kobe causes you to say some really dumb shit. Greatest duo of all time....please.

With that said, the 2013 heat could barely beat the Spurs and now all of a sudden there favored to beat the 2001 Lakers who would have shit on both the 2013 Spurs and Pacers?

Lakers in 5 and it's not even close. Shaq is the gifter of rings and would just shit on the Heat.

[SpurrDurr]

Wade wouldn't be able to keep pace with a young Kobe; Shaq would destroy Bosh worse than anyone ever has; and LeBron would need to take over every possession for the Heat to get passed the Lakers. Not happening, so LAL all day.

The Wade part is totally wrong cause he showed during the years that he can defend Kobe.

Anyway i'd go with Kobe-Shaq, who's gonna stop Shaq, Bosh or Lebron?

Inb4 Lebron can guard all 5 positions :lol

[G-Funk]

The Wade part is totally wrong cause he showed during the years that he can defend Kobe.

Anyway i'd go with Kobe-Shaq, who's gonna stop Shaq, Bosh or Lebron?

Inb4 Lebron can guard all 5 positions :lol
:roll: cold blooded

[Inferno]

Old, injured Wade wont be keeping up with a young, healthy Kobe. Shaq rapes Bosh.

[kamil]

it didn't make a difference, for Jordan & Pippen, they were in a league with Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson and Ewing.

Hakeem and Robinson were never a threat in the playoffs and Shaq was only when in Orlando.

[deja vu]

Hakeem and Robinson were never a threat in the playoffs and Shaq was only when in Orlando.
WTF Hakeem, Robinson and Shaq were not threats in the playoffs? :lol

Maybe I wasn't around when Hakeem and Robinson won MVPs in the 90s.

[No_Look604]

Shaq would tear those fools a new azzhole!

[Unbiased_one]

it didn't make a difference, for Jordan & Pippen, they were in a league with Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson and Ewing.

Jordan and pippen played alongside a variety of decent big men.

[ShaqAttack3234]

You mean the 2001 Lakers? I'd definitely take them. I'd say prime/peak Shaq is slightly better than current Lebron, and 2001 or 2002 Kobe is significantly better than current Wade, and noticeably better than 2012 Wade as well. Miami has better shooters and a much better 3rd player, but LA has the huge advantage due to Miami's lack of size and poor rebounding.


WTF Hakeem, Robinson and Shaq were not threats in the playoffs? :lol

Maybe I wasn't around when Hakeem and Robinson won MVPs in the 90s.

He meant Hakeem and Robinson never faced Jordan in the playoffs.

[Marchesk]

Jordan and pippen played alongside a variety of decent big men.

Yeah, Rodman and Horace were more than decent. The Bulls without either lost to Shaq & Orlando.

[deja vu]

He meant Hakeem and Robinson never faced Jordan in the playoffs.
Of course, he never did, because these guys were in the Western Conference. For some reason, Hakeem and DRob never reached the Finals when MJ won his 6 titles.

[The JKidd Kid]

Shaq would put up Wilt-like numbers against Bosh.

[MaxFly]

The 2001 Lakers would likely destroy any version of the Heat. The notion that LeBron cancels Shaq out is... peculiar. The Heat would be in far dire straits than many of the teams the early 00s Lakers faced because they have next to no legitimate size. The thought of Chris Bosh guarding Shaq is laughable, and to double him would leave any number of the Lakers' shooters open. It would be a travesty.

Then you have Kobe Bryant... Now, I've seen a few people say that 2012 version of Wade is better than any version of Bryant. Looking at their playoff production, Wade averaged 22.8/5.2/4.3 on 46.2% shooting, 29.4% from the 3, 73% from the free throw line in 2012. In 2001, Bryant averaged 29.4/7.3/6.1 on 46.9% shooting, 32.4% from the 3, 82% from the free throw line. I'll leave it at that.

I think Miami has the better bench, but with Rick Fox, Horace Grant and Derek Fisher playing and shooting as well as they did in '01, the distinction among all of the role players, starters as well as bench players, is minimal.

[Lakers2877]

That wasnt Prime kobe. That was Second fiddle kobe and either way, he cant stop wade. Wade would never let kobe clown with him even if wade was on a wheel chair :facepalm
Yeah that second fiddle Kobe only put up. 29-7-6 in the 01 playoff run including 33-7-7 against the spurs in the WCF. He was also an all nba def team selection. That second fiddle Kobe was a top 5 player in the league

[Inactive]

Hard to see Miami winning. Grant or Horry guarding Bosh at PF, or Shaq brutalizing Bosh at C. Miami just doesn't have the personnel to match up. They would probably go small, hit a lot of 3s, and foul Shaq every time he touched the ball, but ultimately unstoppable inside scoring > semi-contested 3s.

[fragokota]

I think only a handful of teams could outwin the Shaq-Kobe-Phil team and miami isn't one of them.If only they had an inside defender

[Overdrive]

By cancel we dont mean stop but match his scoring game by game

You mean the guy who's production was severely limited by Kidd, Diaw, Leonard and Marion and who's game heavily relies wouldn't be affected by Shaq in the point? Lebron would score 22ppg tops. Where as Shaq would get his 38 easily.

[Doctor Rivers]

This entire thread is just about thabisyo being a troll

[thabisyo]

This entire thread is just about thabisyo being a troll

What did thabisyo say :confusedshrug:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Shaq-Kobe, but I could see Lebron-Wade-Bosh winning because of their cohesion and stability. I could also see Lebron and Wade taking Kobe completely out of the game..

[thabisyo]

Shaq-Kobe, but I could see Lebron-Wade-Bosh winning because of their cohesion and stability. I could also see Lebron and Wade taking Kobe completely out of the game..

Thank you. That is what I have been continuously preaching

[Frozen1]

I'm not saying wade had a better season than kobe, but for those saying kobe is dominating wade in his 17th season, you are wrong, actually wade outplayed kobe in their matchups in the 2012-2013 season.

Miami at LA - http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400278303

Kobe - 22 points - 6 turnovers on a classic 8-25 shooting performance
Wade - 27-4-5 on 11 of 20 shooting

LA at miami - http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201302100MIA.html

Kobe - 28-9-6 on 58-FG% :applause:
Wade - 30-5-2 on 66-FG%

[Optimus Prime]

Is this a trick question? Shaq Kobe and Phil? It wouldn't even be close. Lakers in a sweep unless they got bored and rusty from demolishing the competition and the Heat steal one game like Iverson did.

:kobe:

[theoneneo]

Kobe in 2001 arguably had as good a post season as 2013 Lebron, and Kobe was the second option :lol How would the heat stop Shaq? And all this Lebron would cancel Shaq out nonsense... did you niccas watch Lebron in the finals? Nicca played very bad minus game 7. How is he taking the ball inside with Shaq and Horace Grant? How's a one legged Dwayne Wade suppose to stop Kobe entering his prime? Maybe the heat beat 2000 Lakers, but not likely...

[Doranku]

LeBron would quit midway through the third game.

Lakers sweep by an average of 18 points a game.

[LakersDaBEst]

If Old Timmy took the Spurs to game 7... imagine Prime Shaq? SWEPT!

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

wow look at this retard...

who is going to guard SHAQ?

Kobe will toast Wade on both ends.....

[longtime lurker]

Kobe in 2001 arguably had as good a post season as 2013 Lebron, and Kobe was the second option :lol How would the heat stop Shaq? And all this Lebron would cancel Shaq out nonsense... did you niccas watch Lebron in the finals? Nicca played very bad minus game 7. How is he taking the ball inside with Shaq and Horace Grant? How's a one legged Dwayne Wade suppose to stop Kobe entering his prime? Maybe the heat beat 2000 Lakers, but not likely...

So much this! The Heat are an era specific team. They just aren't built to match up against all time great teams.

[Nashty]

Heat would win this series because of Kobe. He would play his individual game against Wade or James instead of just passing the ball to Shaq to rape Bosh down low. Shaq would do a lot better with someone like Ray Allen instead of Kobe.

[SilkkTheShocker]

If Old Timmy took the Spurs to game 7... imagine Prime Shaq? SWEPT!

Thats funny people supporting Shaq are talking about sweeps. Esepcially when Shaq himself was swept 6 different times in the playoffs :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Overdrive]

Is this a trick question? Shaq Kobe and Phil? It wouldn't even be close. Lakers in a sweep unless they got bored and rusty from demolishing the competition and the Heat steal one game like Iverson did.

:kobe:

TBH, I think the '13 Heat would have a hard time overcoming the '01 Sixers. They'd take away their biggest weapons with Mutombo in the middle waiting for James and solid perimeter D(aside from AI) that would take away there 3 point shooting, because Brown was a master of densive rotations. They'd need Battier to hurt them from the 4 as he did to OKC last years, but that won't happen every series. He bricked some wide open threes this year's finals and the Sixer were way rougher and tougher on the denfensive end than this year's Spurs.


Thats funny people supporting Shaq are talking about sweeps. Esepcially when Shaq himself was swept 6 different times in the playoffs :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

James was swept aswell. It happens. The '01 Lakers are still won of the best playoff teams of all time. Any version of the Heat aren't.

They had a 27(or was it 28) game winning streak and nobody even compares them to any ATG regular season squad, because their season just wasn't that good.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

If Kobe is gunning for Finals MVP like he was in 2004, then Heat win.

[clipps]

Lakers didn't have a 3rd fiddle as good as Wade
Not saying he's anywhere close to Wade but Glen Rice was a really good third option for the Lakers.

[PJR]

Heat in 5.

As far as dealing with Shaq? All LeBron and D.Wade would have to do is taunt Kobe by calling him a sidekick, and he'll shut down Shaq for the Heat himself.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Not saying he's anywhere close to Wade but Glen Rice was a really good third option for the Lakers.

Not really.

[9erempiree]

Heat in 5.

As far as dealing with Shaq? All LeBron and D.Wade would have to do is taunt Kobe by calling him a sidekick, and he'll shut down Shaq for the Heat himself.

lol @ the notion of 2 betas trying to taunt an Alpha.

...and two mental midgets at that.

http://ru-crazy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Kobe-Chirps-LeBron-e1330313626512-600x331.jpg
:oldlol:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

lol @ the notion of 2 betas trying to taunt an Alpha.

...and two mental midgets at that.

http://ru-crazy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Kobe-Chirps-LeBron-e1330313626512-600x331.jpg
:oldlol:

Wade and Lebron won't have to do anything. For the first game, they just have to let Shaq beast on Bosh. For the next 4 games, Kobe will shut Shaq down on his own fearing he won't be the FMVP. Heat in 5.

[NumberSix]

The 2000-2002 Lakers would without question beat the 2012-2013 Heat more often than not.

[Doctor Rivers]

Heat in 5.

As far as dealing with Shaq? All LeBron and D.Wade would have to do is taunt Kobe by calling him a sidekick, and he'll shut down Shaq for the Heat himself.

Today, 04:20 PM

[Papaya Petee]

10-11 Wade is better then any 3-Peat Kobe, if we're talking 10-11 Wade with 11-12 LeBron, and the rest of the roster as this year, the Heat win in 7.

If its 01 Lakers vs 13 Heat it's Lakers in 6 ONLY because of Shaq. Kobe wouldn't be a huge factor with LeBron easily outplaying him.

[no pun intended]

2>3

It's math. Simple as that.

[Soundwave]

01 Kobe wasn't some raw project, he had already been in the league for like 4-5 years by then and was a multiple time All-Star by that point.

He averaged 28.5 ppg in 00-01, which Dwayne Wade has only bested once in his entire career.

If Paul George was able to give the Heat some headaches, Kobe would give them a full on migraine.

30 year old Dwayne Wade with poor knees cannot cover a 23 year old Kobe Bryant. Nor does Miami have anyone at the rim that would really bother Kobe at all once he got into the lane. Even LeBron would have a lot of problems IMO.

Young Kobe is simply faster than both of them today.

[ThickassGlasses]

01 Kobe wasn't some raw project, he had already been in the league for like 4-5 years by then and was a multiple time All-Star by that point.

He averaged 28.5 ppg in 00-01, which Dwayne Wade has only bested once in his entire career.

If Paul George was able to give the Heat some headaches, Kobe would give them a full on migraine.

30 year old Dwayne Wade with poor knees cannot cover a 23 year old Kobe Bryant. Nor does Miami have anyone at the rim that would really bother Kobe at all once he got into the lane. Even LeBron would have a lot of problems IMO.

Young Kobe is simply faster than both of them today.

I think its clear that your irrational and very biased in this situation.

The Lakers should win, but it's not anywhere as close to one sided as people make it out to be.

If we could have 13 LeBron and 11 DWade, it'd go 7 games. Sadly, we can't. That being said, the Heat could easily Detroit Piston the Lakers if Kobe is being Kobe. But, the Lakers would beat the current Heat team in 6.

[Fresh Kid]

Thats funny people supporting Shaq are talking about sweeps. Esepcially when Shaq himself was swept 6 different times in the playoffs :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0622/nba_g_lbj07_400.jpg http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/12/22/44/2697482/8/628x471.jpg http://vlsportysexycool.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/tim-duncan-lebron-james-2007.jpg http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/960/img/photos/2013/06/05/e1/23/NBA-Finals-Cavaliers-Spurs.jpg http://howmanyarethere.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/san-antonio-spurs-with-the-championship-trophy1.jpghttp://cdn.lightgalleries.net/4bd5ebf66a9d1/images/92095066-01-2.jpg

[red1]

Heat would get shitted on. Shaq would f*cking demolish them while putting up 40 a game. Heat have a much better shot playing the best jordan bulls team than they do playing a team with the most dominant centre

[Fresh Kid]

Heat would get shitted on. Shaq would f*cking demolish them while putting up 40 a game. Heat have a much better shot playing the best jordan bulls team than they do playing a team with the most dominant centre
jordan's bulls would win 4-1:facepalm

[red1]

jordan's bulls would win 4-1:facepalm
that wasn't the point

[thabisyo]

http://howmanyarethere.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/san-antonio-spurs-with-the-championship-trophy1.jpg

your best player is french, of course he will retreat at the end :roll:

[Marchesk]

2>3

It's math. Simple as that.

Shaq 00-02 > 2012-2013 Wade & Bosh

He's also more destructive than any version of Lebron, particularly if you have nobody inside who can slow him, which the Heat don't.

Miami would face the delimma of letting Shaq just run wild on them and focus on shutting everyone else down, or trying to limit Shaq and risk letting Kobe + Laker shooters have a field day.

Also, what are Wade and Lebron going to do when they get into the paint and see that monster there? Flop and hope to get O'Neal in foul trouble? You're going to cut down on Lebron and Wade's effectiveness in the paint. They're going to have to score more from the outside. That makes things easier on the rest of the Lakers.

[MaxFly]

10-11 Wade is better then any 3-Peat Kobe, if we're talking 10-11 Wade with 11-12 LeBron, and the rest of the roster as this year, the Heat win in 7.

If its 01 Lakers vs 13 Heat it's Lakers in 6 ONLY because of Shaq. Kobe wouldn't be a huge factor with LeBron easily outplaying him.

'11 Wade averaged 24.5/7.1/4.4 on 48.5% shooting, 26.9% from 3, 77.7% from the free throw line during the playoffs.

'01 Bryant averaged 29.4/7.3/6.1 on 46.9% shooting, 32.4% from 3, 82.1% from the free throw line during the playoffs.

If it's 01 Lakers vs 13 Heat and you're saying Lakers in 6, how it Bryant not a huge factor when he is one of the main reasons they almost swept the playoffs averaging 29.4/7.3/6.1? And if we're mixing and matching, how are the Heat going to beat that version of Bryant on the 2000 Lakers for instance? :confusedshrug: The Lakers would win much more often than not in either scenario.

[kamil]

your best player is french, of course he will retreat at the end :roll:

Oh snap! Somebody send this guy to the burn unit!

:rolleyes:

[tikay0]

How the hell did this get to 10 pages? :wtf:

Lakers and it's not even close. Stop being such die hard morons.

[9erempiree]

As a Lakers fan, I am enjoying this thread very much.

It seems like the consensus the Lakers sweeping Miami in blowout fashion.

[tikay0]

How the hell did this get to 11 pages? :wtf:

Lakers and it's not even close. Stop being such die hard morons.

[MaxFly]

the Heat could easily Detroit Piston the Lakers if Kobe is being Kobe.

The 2004 Detroit Pistons were historically one of the best defensive teams ever, much of that owing to their overall defensive philosophy and their personnel. It's rather dismissive of their dedication to defense and their place in history to simply say that another team that has never been able to do what they had done could practically flip a switch and do it.

[Rojogaqu11]

I'm a bit biased towards the Lakers, but let me use some reasoning in this comparison.

Lebron is dominant in a sense, but he can be coached against. Meanwhile with Shaq, other teams could only hope that they could make it a close one in the end to play the FT game.

Shaq is the MDE for a reason. The Heat with Bosh at center would have to be using Lebron, Haslem, Birdman, etc. to just try to make it a competitive game. They would all be in foul trouble if they even tried to defend him. The Heat would be in an uphill battle the whole series.

Just think how a 36 year old Duncan gave Bosh trouble... the havoc that prime Shaq would unleash on the Heat would leave them begging for garbage time. No matter how much credit we can give the Heat, they don't have an answer for prime Shaq. Their fastbreak and small-ball tactics would not work against those Lakers. Aside from San Antonio, Sacramento, Portland, etc. almost every other team tried to run against those Lakers. Of course it didn't work because we tend to forget this was a team led by Phil Jackson.

And speaking of forgetting important details... c'mon, young Kobe was at least as good as 2011-2013 Wade, maybe 2008-09 Wade was better than that Kobe. That's very acceptable. The point is that Kobe played elite defense, was fast and athletic, already had a great shooting touch, was the main playmaker on those championship teams, and was a top competitor. He was already a top player in the league, and skill-wise he very well may have been argued as the best. He wasn't better than prime Lebron is, not even arguable, but he wasn't that far off from that level. He was that good already. He was at a level comparable to last season's Kobe, maybe slightly better, if we give his defense more value.

The only "weak" point in that 1-2 punch from those 3peat Lakers is what the "superfriends" have in abundance: Chemistry. And I say "weak", meaning that it could have been better, but that's not to say that Shaq and Kobe didn't elevate each other to greater levels. This only means that they won 3 straight championships despite not getting along that well. They were that exceptional.

Old San Antonio with Parker and an aging Duncan as the two best players on the team let the Heat take the championship from them. They were a few seconds away from beating them. Current Duncan and Parker are by no means as good as prime Shaq and young Kobe were. That's why it's inconceivable that the 3-peat Lakers would lose against the Heat or any other team of the past few years. Whether we use today's rules or early 2000's, the outcome won't change. Home court advantage won't matter.

As much as the Heat is a hands-down strong championship-level team, prime Shaq and young Kobe would be too much for Lebron, Wade and Bosh.

[red1]

It all comes down to bosh vs shaq. PF vs most dominant centre. Lakers in 5 or 6

[thabisyo]

I'm a bit biased towards the Lakers, but let me use some reasoning in this comparison.

Lebron is dominant in a sense, but he can be coached against. Meanwhile with Shaq, other teams could only hope that they could make it a close one in the end to play the FT game.

Shaq is the MDE for a reason. The Heat with Bosh at center would have to be using Lebron, Haslem, Birdman, etc. to just try to make it a competitive game. They would all be in foul trouble if they even tried to defend him. The Heat would be in an uphill battle the whole series.

Just think how a 36 year old Duncan gave Bosh trouble... the havoc that prime Shaq would unleash on the Heat would leave them begging for garbage time. No matter how much credit we can give the Heat, they don't have an answer for prime Shaq. Their fastbreak and small-ball tactics would not work against those Lakers. Aside from San Antonio, Sacramento, Portland, etc. almost every other team tried to run against those Lakers. Of course it didn't work because we tend to forget this was a team led by Phil Jackson.

And speaking of forgetting important details... c'mon, young Kobe was at least as good as 2011-2013 Wade, maybe 2008-09 Wade was better than that Kobe. That's very acceptable. The point is that Kobe played elite defense, was fast and athletic, already had a great shooting touch, was the main playmaker on those championship teams, and was a top competitor. He was already a top player in the league, and skill-wise he very well may have been argued as the best. He wasn't better than prime Lebron is, not even arguable, but he wasn't that far off from that level. He was that good already. He was at a level comparable to last season's Kobe, maybe slightly better, if we give his defense more value.

The only "weak" point in that 1-2 punch from those 3peat Lakers is what the "superfriends" have in abundance: Chemistry. And I say "weak", meaning that it could have been better, but that's not to say that Shaq and Kobe didn't elevate each other to greater levels. This only means that they won 3 straight championships despite not getting along that well. They were that exceptional.

Old San Antonio with Parker and an aging Duncan as the two best players on the team let the Heat take the championship from them. They were a few seconds away from beating them. Current Duncan and Parker are by no means as good as prime Shaq and young Kobe were. That's why it's inconceivable that the 3-peat Lakers would lose against the Heat or any other team of the past few years. Whether we use today's rules or early 2000's, the outcome won't change. Home court advantage won't matter.

As much as the Heat is a hands-down strong championship-level team, prime Shaq and young Kobe would be too much for Lebron, Wade and Bosh.


Great analysis and insightful :applause:
but sir I disagree, Miami would get Shaq in foul trouble like hibbert in game 7. Send a role player to flop against shaq like howard, hack shaq and lastly, Kobe aint in the same level as 2011 wade. 2013 wade yeah they about the same thanks to injuries.....

We all know what happened to wade playing next to shaq, suddenly u have open looks all day. Kobe is still a glorified role player who was elevated to superstar status thanks to ESPN bullshit

[bigt]

Only way the Heat win this in a 7 game series is if they can get Kobe to play hero ball or if Shaq gets injured. Peak Shaq is one arguably the most dominating force in league history, and you're going to combat that with Bosh and Andersen :oldlol:

[inclinerator]

the miami team is many times better than that 01 philly team and its not like the lakers dominated them the games were actually somewat close

[chazzy]

the miami team is many times better than that 01 philly team and its not like the lakers dominated them the games were actually somewat close
If we're going by that standard to judge teams, then Miami is nothing special for getting pushed to 7 games by Indy and the Spurs

[Marchesk]

the miami team is many times better than that 01 philly team and its not like the lakers dominated them the games were actually somewat close

Then again, Philly had a legitimate center who was a DPOY. Matchups matter and the Heat cannot match up with Shaq.

[Rojogaqu11]

Great analysis and insightful :applause:
but sir I disagree, Miami would get Shaq in foul trouble like hibbert in game 7.

Thanks for the response.
I kind of disagree about Shaq being in foul trouble though. It wasn't as easy as you make it sound, specially when you consider that you just compared Hibbert to no other than Prime Shaq!. Shaq wasn't just really big, but he also was as skilled as a guy his size can be. He would adjust or Phil would adjust him, just as they did against all those defensive schemes of early 2000's.


Send a role player to flop against shaq like howard,

But one of the main reasons the Heat have won championships is that the role players were available to play. If they are in foul trouble, they lose the weapons that made the Heat into a real team instead of 3 good players and a bunch of scrubs. That also means FTs and ball possessions for the Lakers. Hack-a-Shaq was never really that effective, because unlike Howard, Shaq and the Lakers knew how to make the other team pay for even attempting that strategy.


Kobe aint in the same level as 2011 wade. 2013 wade yeah they about the same thanks to injuries.....


The stats, individual roles and skills, and team success says otherwise. Kobe was already a great player at that age. That's why he's considered the player of the decade by many, not only because he won much, but because he was from the beginning of it, and constantly through out it, an elite performer even as a second option to Shaq. That takes us to your next point...


We all know what happened to wade playing next to shaq, suddenly u have open looks all day.

So Kobe and Wade got open looks because of Shaq but when Shaq left them, they still performed as great players. This means that with or without Shaq they were great. Kobe more so than Wade, because Kobe won the rest of his championships as the main guy, while Wade has Lebron to thank for making him a winner again.
So, following your reasoning, we could say that Wade has only won because there was someone else on his team drawing all the attention, while Kobe carried Shaq in 4th quarters (you made it sound as Shaq can be made to foul out somewhat easy right?.. so someone had to carry the Lakers to wins at the end right?), and also won as the main guy for back-to-back championships.


Kobe is still a glorified role player who was elevated to superstar status thanks to ESPN bullshit

The same could be said of the stars of every generation. ESPN's job is to hype sports figures in order to create stories that emotionally affect viewers. Creating heroes is their best instrument to accomplish that medium of engagement. Objectively, basketball should only be examined in the context of team success, but the reality of human competition is that we tend to exalt the individual before the collective. Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Shaq, etc. have all benefited from this business of adding drama to sports.

What matters in the end is wins and losses. And the point is that this Kobe guy has won a lot. Shaq won a lot. Lebron is winning now, and Wade has benefited much not only from ESPN, but also great players and favorable rules. Through all that, Wade is still a winner, and that's what should matter.

[Marchesk]

The recent Celtics and Lakers title teams would fare better than the Heat. KG isn't stopping Shaq, but come on, he's a far superior interior defender than anyone the Heat have. And they had a prime Perkins as a big body to throw at Shaq.

Of course the Lakers had a couple seven footers. Shaq would abuse them, but it's nothing like the hurt he'd put on Bosh, Anthony, Haslem, Anderson and Howard (once the other four had fouled out or called uncle).

[Marchesk]

Hell, Indiana might even fare better than the Heat. Yeah, Shaq is going to make Hibbert look silly. And he would break Hansborough in two. But you could double down with West. And Hibbert is a real center to put on him, unlike every player on the Heat's roster.

This year's Spurs would absolutely do better, except that Kobe just goes off on them.

[thabisyo]

Thanks for the response.
I kind of disagree about Shaq being in foul trouble though. It wasn't as easy as you make it sound, specially when you consider that you just compared Hibbert to no other than Prime Shaq!. Shaq wasn't just really big, but he also was as skilled as a guy his size can be. He would adjust or Phil would adjust him, just as they did against all those defensive schemes of early 2000's.



But one of the main reasons the Heat have won championships is that the role players were available to play. If they are in foul trouble, they lose the weapons that made the Heat into a real team instead of 3 good players and a bunch of scrubs. That also means FTs and ball possessions for the Lakers. Hack-a-Shaq was never really that effective, because unlike Howard, Shaq and the Lakers knew how to make the other team pay for even attempting that strategy.


Hack-a-shaq is only for the fourth quarters. As far as minimising shaq, the best best way is to get him into foul trouble. shaq was absolutely violent in the post. He can not do that anymore in this league. People forget that most of the things that used to happen have been eliminated thaks to stern but forgetting that, Miami didnt use most of it bench. Howard, Cole, Anthorny, Lewis, Jones etc hardly saw playing times in the finals for a good reason too but against a guy like shaq, they would be needed to get him into foul trouble. he would get frustrated with all the small guys thugging him out

[inclinerator]

Hell, Indiana might even fare better than the Heat. Yeah, Shaq is going to make Hibbert look silly. And he would break Hansborough in two. But you could double down with West. And Hibbert is a real center to put on him, unlike every player on the Heat's roster.

This year's Spurs would absolutely do better, except that Kobe just goes off on them.
leonard and green would shut frobe down

[deja vu]

Old San Antonio with Parker and an aging Duncan as the two best players on the team let the Heat take the championship from them. They were a few seconds away from beating them. Current Duncan and Parker are by no means as good as prime Shaq and young Kobe were. That's why it's inconceivable that the 3-peat Lakers would lose against the Heat or any other team of the past few years. Whether we use today's rules or early 2000's, the outcome won't change. Home court advantage won't matter.
I agree with you that Shaq+Kobe >>> LeBron+Wade+Bosh, but let's not act like the Spurs are not a well-oiled machine, even more so than the 3-peat Lakers. That's why the Spurs ended the Lakers run, and just recently almost demolished the heavily favored Heat, despite having lesser star power than them. Such a smart, well-coached and well-oiled machine even in their old age. :lol

[thabisyo]

I agree with you that Shaq+Kobe >>> LeBron+Wade+Bosh, but let's not act like the Spurs are not a well-oiled machine, even more so than the 3-peat Lakers. That's why the Spurs ended the Lakers run, and just recently almost demolished the heavily favored Heat, despite having lesser star power than them. Such a smart, well-coached and well-oiled machine even in their old age. :lol

Spurs were lucky D wade was not healthy :facepalm

[deja vu]

Spurs were lucky D wade was not healthy :facepalm
Heat were lucky Parker was not healthy. :facepalm :lol

[thabisyo]

Heat were lucky Parker was not healthy. :facepalm :lol

spurs were lucky wade was off. If wade was on, it would have been a massacre

Spurs were lucky Lebron was off, if lebron was lebron :bowdown:

spurs are lucky we got Bosh at center and they still couldnt do shit

perimeter players beat spurs.
Thunder showed it last year, Warriors tried and Lebron, chalmers and a crippled wade showed it.


Spurs got off lightly :biggums:

[deja vu]

spurs were lucky wade was off. If wade was on, it would have been a massacre

Spurs were lucky Lebron was off, if lebron was lebron :bowdown:

spurs are lucky we got Bosh at center and they still couldnt do shit

perimeter players beat spurs.
Thunder showed it last year, Warriors tried and Lebron, chalmers and a crippled wade showed it.


Spurs got off lightly :biggums:
Heat were lucky that Parker had a hamstring injury or else everybody would have been talking how LeBron choked again. :roll:

[thabisyo]

Heat were lucky that Parker had a hamstring injury or else everybody would have been talking how LeBron choked again. :roll:

Spurs got off lightly. If we meet again, we will destroy them

[Graviton]

Both teams had double agents in Ginobili and Wade trying their best to throw the series, basically whoever choked less won. Spurs had it up 5 with 30 seconds left, they coulda even fouled ****ing Bosh when he got the rebound instead of letting him pass to Ray freaking Allen. :oldlol:

[9erempiree]

Made more popcorn.

Really enjoying this thread.

Nobody beating Kobe and Shaq 3peat team. Only team should be in the conversation is MJ's Bulls. I They won while hating each other. This how good they are. They are not super friends.

:kobe:

http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/files/import/i-5f04ac34cbb60e35fbeb68b57c9e0216-lakers_shaq_kobe_NJ.jpg

[thabisyo]

Made more popcorn.


http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/files/import/i-5f04ac34cbb60e35fbeb68b57c9e0216-lakers_shaq_kobe_NJ.jpg

Great pic :applause:

But still they would lose

[tikay0]

Made more popcorn.

Really enjoying this thread.

Nobody beating Kobe and Shaq 3peat team. Only team should be in the conversation is MJ's Bulls. I They won while hating each other. This how good they are. They are not super friends.

:kobe:

http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/files/import/i-5f04ac34cbb60e35fbeb68b57c9e0216-lakers_shaq_kobe_NJ.jpg

/thread.

Use all the semantics you want, and all the BS arguments. At the end of the day, if the dynasty Lakers are at their best, NO ONE besides the Bulls could beat that team.

Truth.