Scarface/Tony Montana and Black People

[Ca$H]

Why do black people like/revere scarface/tony montana so much?

[Bandito]

Why do white people like Mayonnaise and peanut butter so much?

[ace23]

I'm black and don't care for either.

[Bandito]

Peanut Butter? that's not a white thing....
That's not what the hispanic people say about white people..:roll:

[L.Kizzle]

It's only the hip-hop generation males from the late 80's-90s, that's it.

Older cats, this generation, most females don't give a damn about Scarface.

[Dresta]

Your question should be: why is Scarface such a overhyped and overrated film, and why does anyone get obsessed by it?

It is an enjoyable film with an entertaining performance by Pacino, but it really doesn't deserve the severe bumming it receives. People's ridiculous obsessions with certain films just make me dislike them more than i otherwise would, so **** off and stop ruining films for me!!!!

[bmulls]

While we're on the topic, why do black guys seem to love average to ugly looking white girls with super bleached blonde hair, orange tans and fake tits?

I see this all the time.

[StocktonFan]

Why do white people like Mayonnaise and peanut butter so much?

why do puerto ricans like poverty? Seems like they all have that in common :confusedshrug:

[-p.tiddy-]

I used to love Scarface...still do

Why? Because its a really good movie...Pacinos best role IMO


Never had a Scraface movie poster hanging on my wall or anything, but do like the movie

[HardwoodLegend]

While we're on the topic, why do black guys seem to love average to ugly looking white girls with super bleached blonde hair, orange tans and fake tits?

I see this all the time.

Never heard this stereotype before.

I'm familiar with the stereotype that black men go for fat white women who never wear make-up, and that's something seen a lot of time.

[HardwoodLegend]

Your question should be: why is Scarface such a overhyped and overrated film, and why does anyone get obsessed by it?

It is an enjoyable film with an entertaining performance by Pacino, but it really doesn't deserve the severe bumming it receives. People's ridiculous obsessions with certain films just make me dislike them more than i otherwise would, so **** off and stop ruining films for me!!!!

Uh oh, we got a badass elitist cineaste over here!!

[HardwoodLegend]

To answer OP's question, a lot of inner city blacks feel they don't belong in mainstream society and its workforce, so they look to economic sustenance of an illegal nature and have disdain for authority and the officers who enforce it. Blacks, in general, always have their "ear to the streets" so to speak and keep it real by acknowledging the hood as a second homeland to Africa.

Tony Montana in 'Scarface' is one of the quintessential embodiments of the outlaw who bucks the trend, goes against the system and its laws in order to build an empire through illegal commerce. He's an icon of someone who reached a high level of success in the way a lot of blacks are striving to right now. It's the same reason why rappers always boast about how much weight they're dealing and reference hallowed figures such as Pablo Escobar, Frank Lucas, Manuel Noriega, Rick Ross, etc.

It's the whole Get Rich or Die Tryin' mentality. Not that hard to understand.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Black people think its cool to sell drugs, kill people, kill their best friend, do lots of coke, and participate in all types of f*ckry.

Tony Montana>Martin Luther King Jr.

[Dresta]

To answer OP's question, a lot of inner city blacks feel they don't belong in mainstream society and its workforce, so they look to economic sustenance of an illegal nature and have disdain for authority and the officers who enforce it. Blacks, in general, always have their "ear to the streets" so to speak and keep it real by acknowledging the hood as a second homeland to Africa.

Tony Montana in 'Scarface' is one of the quintessential embodiments of the outlaw who bucks the trend, goes against the system and its laws in order to build an empire through illegal commerce. He's an icon of someone who reached a high level of success in the way a lot of blacks are striving to right now. It's the same reason why rappers always boast about how much weight they're dealing and reference hallowed figures such as Pablo Escobar, Frank Lucas, Manuel Noriega, Rick Ross, etc.

It's the whole Get Rich or Die Tryin' mentality. Not that hard to understand.lol @ people claiming a place they've never even been to as their homeland - really, that is incredibly stupid.

Montana was a self-destructive and egomaniacal maniac. Anyone that looks to him as some kind of role model is a ****ing idiot or a homicidal maniac. He got rich and then died being a coked up bellend, what you are saying makes no sense.

:banghead:

[Dresta]

Uh oh, we got a badass elitist cineaste over here!!
Yehyeh, it is 'elitist' to prefer good cinema over average cinema. Blah blah.

Scarface is a cartoon film. It is entertaining but certainly no masterpiece, and not even close to being Pacino's best performance.

[HardwoodLegend]

lol @ people claiming a place they've never even been to as their homeland - really, that is incredibly stupid.

Montana was a self-destructive and egomaniacal maniac. Anyone that looks to him as some kind of role model is a ****ing idiot or a homicidal maniac. He got rich and then died being a coked up bellend, what you are saying makes no sense.

:banghead:

I'm sure a lot of people who look up to him recognize that he has flaws, and they wouldn't want to emulate everything about him. For one, most people would definitely like to live a longer life and die a different kind of death. But, it's his ambition, his balls, his word and his "**** the system" attitude that many find appealing.

[HardwoodLegend]

Yehyeh, it is 'elitist' to prefer good cinema over average cinema. Blah blah.

Scarface is a cartoon film. It is entertaining but certainly no masterpiece, and not even close to being Pacino's best performance.

I wouldn't defend 'Scarface' as being a masterpiece, but dismissing it as merely a "cartoon film" and acting like "cartoon films" can't be masterpieces in their own way is silly. You're limiting the criteria and tone for something to qualify as a masterpiece when masterpieces can come in many different forms.

And, Tony Montana is close to being Pacino's best. It's definitely in the handful of his best works along with Michael Corleone, Frank Serpico, and Sonny Wortzik.

BTW, random question... how many Criterion Collection DVD's and Blu-Ray's do you own?

[Dresta]

I'm sure a lot of people who look up to him recognize that he has flaws, and they wouldn't want to emulate everything about him. For one, most people would definitely like to live a longer life and die a different kind of death. But, it's his ambition, his balls, his word and his "**** the system" attitude that many find appealing.
I could say the same about Charles Manson. As if there aren't any other characters that are anti-establishment :lol:.

Do they like his incestuous obsession with his sister too?

[KNOW1EDGE]

DEF one of Pacino's best roles. Def a great film. Def over-rated.

People don't look up to Scarface for any other reason than his f-it attitude, his get money lifestyle and his drug slanging. But IMO, only immature people would admire Tony Montana.

I certainly don't look up to Tony Montana or have any desire to be like him in any way. I do enjoy the film every time I watch it, and think it is a great movie.

[1987_Lakers]

Think about Scarface without Pacino, it would have been HORRIBLE. Pacino by himself carried that film.

Amazing performance by Pacino
Good film with great quotes

[Ca$H]

To answer OP's question, a lot of inner city blacks feel they don't belong in mainstream society and its workforce, so they look to economic sustenance of an illegal nature and have disdain for authority and the officers who enforce it. Blacks, in general, always have their "ear to the streets" so to speak and keep it real by acknowledging the hood as a second homeland to Africa.

Tony Montana in 'Scarface' is one of the quintessential embodiments of the outlaw who bucks the trend, goes against the system and its laws in order to build an empire through illegal commerce. He's an icon of someone who reached a high level of success in the way a lot of blacks are striving to right now. It's the same reason why rappers always boast about how much weight they're dealing and reference hallowed figures such as Pablo Escobar, Frank Lucas, Manuel Noriega, Rick Ross, etc.

It's the whole Get Rich or Die Tryin' mentality. Not that hard to understand.

Yeah but Tony Montana is a white character. A lot of black guys are stans of a white character. You don't see white people becoming stans of Denzel Washington's character in training day.

[HardwoodLegend]

Yeah but Tony Montana is a white character. A lot of black guys are stans of a white character. You don't see white people becoming stans of Denzel Washington's character in training day.

Shows how non-racist the black community is.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Yeah but Tony Montana is a white character. A lot of black guys are stans of a white character. You don't see white people becoming stans of Denzel Washington's character in training day.

I think this is the main point of confusion.

If white people stanned all over Denzel in Training Day, black people would find it absurd, and probably be upset.

But then black people stan super hard on Tony Montana, I find it ironic.

[HardwoodLegend]

I could say the same about Charles Manson. As if there aren't any other characters that are anti-establishment :lol:.

Do they like his incestuous obsession with his sister too?

Charles Manson didn't have a financial empire.

And, the "incestuous obsession" is debatable. It's never made clear. That's just something Gina said out of anger, but all of Tony's actions can be described as overprotective of his baby sister and aren't necessarily sexual.

[Ca$H]

Shows how non-racist the black community is.

Denzel in traning day should replace Tony Montana for black people. Young Italians should become Tony Montana stans.

[MavsSuperFan]

Black people dont like mayo right? Why not, how the **** can you eat a BLT sandwich without mayo? mayo is ****ing delicious. Combine Mayo and ketchup you have fry sauce.

People looking down on white people for liking Mayo is just as ridiculous as looking down on black people for the stereotype of liking fried chicken and watermelon.

Fried Chicken is delicious 99% of the time. You give me left over cold fried chicken and i still love it. Watermelon is the most refreshing of all fruit. On a hot sunny day nothing beats watermelon.

I have never understood the negative connotations attached to mayo, fried chicken and watermelon. All 3 are delicious. If it weren't for how unhealthy mayo and fried chicken are I would eat them almost everyday. But i eat fried chicken at a minimum of once a month. I cannot eat a sandwich without mayo, it just feels wrong to me. Ketchup+mayo >>>>>> ketchup alone for a fry dipping sauce.

And now that I think of it I am going to go buy a watermelon tomorrow. Love them.

Edit: white people like scarface too, its a good movie.

[MavsSuperFan]

Yeah but Tony Montana is a white character. A lot of black guys are stans of a white character. You don't see white people becoming stans of Denzel Washington's character in training day.

As a white person I am a stan of John Quincy Archibald (Denzel's character in John Q). always tear up at how much the dude loves his son. makes me miss my dad.

[ShaqAttack3234]

:oldlol: I'm white, not into hip hop and Scarface is my all-time favorite movie. Can literally watch it over and over.

[Dresta]

Charles Manson didn't have a financial empire.

And, the "incestuous obsession" is debatable. It's never made clear. That's just something Gina said out of anger, but all of Tony's actions can be described as overprotective of his baby sister and aren't necessarily sexual.


:roll:

You've got to be kidding me - that was clear as day. Not everything has to be spelled out in big letters for it to be clear.

[HardwoodLegend]

:roll:

You've got to be kidding me - that was clear as day. Not everything has to be spelled out in big letters for it to be clear.

It's an assumption that is an attractive conclusion based on how adamantly Gina states it in her coked-up rage, but there is nothing that prevents the alternative (overprotective possessiveness) from being just as true.

One of the fun ambiguous features of the film that keeps fans talking about the movie.

[SilkkTheShocker]

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:roll:

You've got to be kidding me - that was clear as day. Not everything has to be spelled out in big letters for it to be clear.

It was never made clear.

[Cherry Picker]

Black people dont like mayo right? Why not, how the **** can you eat a BLT sandwich without mayo? mayo is ****ing delicious. Combine Mayo and ketchup you have fry sauce.

People looking down on white people for liking Mayo is just as ridiculous as looking down on black people for the stereotype of liking fried chicken and watermelon.

Fried Chicken is delicious 99% of the time. You give me left over cold fried chicken and i still love it. Watermelon is the most refreshing of all fruit. On a hot sunny day nothing beats watermelon.

I have never understood the negative connotations attached to mayo, fried chicken and watermelon. All 3 are delicious. If it weren't for how unhealthy mayo and fried chicken are I would eat them almost everyday. But i eat fried chicken at a minimum of once a month. I cannot eat a sandwich without mayo, it just feels wrong to me. Ketchup+mayo >>>>>> ketchup alone for a fry dipping sauce.

And now that I think of it I am going to go buy a watermelon tomorrow. Love them.

Edit: white people like scarface too, its a good movie.
I like Mayo
Mayo in a chicken steak burger with cheese and hash brown lawd ah mercy

[miller-time]

I have never understood the negative connotations attached to mayo,

My guess is because the food itself is white? It is sort of being covertly racist while being directly racist. You get two racists in one package!

I think mayo is an acquired taste, I don't particularly like it, but I never really ate much of it when I was growing up. Pretty much like any other weird culture specific foods. It is easy to turn your nose up to "weird" foods. But most other foods don't have that double connotation. Mayo is weird AND white.

[Graviton]

Mayo is the shit, I cant eat any meat without mayo. Beef, pork, chicken breast is all better with smooth mayo. Lamb is the only thing that needs no sauce.

One time I mixed mayo, ketchup, mustard and ranch together and got an amazing sauce that goes with everything. You guys should try it, it turns into a dark yellow spicy smooth sour sweet deliciousness.

Scarface sucked, Pacino's goofiest role. And Denzel in Training Day and Man on Fire is in fact my favorite character as far as black actors go. On white side I like Eastwood in Heartbreak Ridge and from Latinos the guy from No Country For Old Men. I never understood the admiration for those gangster types in Godfather, Scarface, Goodfellas and such.

[DukeDelonte13]

I used to love Scarface...still do

Why? Because its a really good movie...Pacinos best role IMO


Never had a Scraface movie poster hanging on my wall or anything, but do like the movie


Mike Corleone is Pacino's best role.

[TheMan]

Denzel in traning day should replace Tony Montana for black people. Young Italians should become Tony Montana stans.
I know Al Pacino is Italian but isn't the character Tony Montana a Cuban:confusedshrug:

[MavsSuperFan]

It's an assumption that is an attractive conclusion based on how adamantly Gina states it in her coked-up rage, but there is nothing that prevents the alternative (overprotective possessiveness) from being just as true.

One of the fun ambiguous features of the film that keeps fans talking about the movie.
:biggums:

Its pretty clear what the director/screenwriter want the audience to infer. It is a movie after all.

[HarryCallahan]

Mike Corleone is Pacino's best role.

pffft. It was playing himself in Jack and Jill.

Scarface is awesome, just because you don't like it as much as others doesn't make it a cartoon film.

[HardwoodLegend]

:biggums:

Its pretty clear what the director/screenwriter want the audience to infer. It is a movie after all.

:facepalm

"Pretty clear" is a matter of opinionated assumption. We could go back and forth about this all day and neither one of us would be right, because the script left it open-ended and mysterious for a reason. The same reason why the contents of the briefcase in 'Pulp Fiction' are never revealed and have people discussing it.

I personally don't think Tony Montana was incestuous with his sister, because he's a guy who took what he wanted. Elvira was one of his motivations to get Frank out of the way, and when he did he went after her hard. Whenever he beat up the guy in the club restroom or killed Manny, his attitude towards Gina was basically, "Go clean yourself up, stop being a whore".

He seemed like a dude who just wanted his little sister to remain an angel. I don't think there was anything sexual there, or he would have made a stronger attempt.

[rezznor]

he was just an overly protective brother. Manny was a known man whore and he didn't want his sister to end up as one of Manny's conquests. if his sister and manny had come to Tony ahead of time and explained that they were actually in love i doubt Tony would have reacted the way he did.

[Dresta]

:biggums:

Its pretty clear what the director/screenwriter want the audience to infer. It is a movie after all.
Exactly.

Self-delusional people just don't want to believe it so they can keep idolising Montana.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

So funny.:roll:

[HardwoodLegend]

Exactly.

Self-delusional people just don't want to believe it so they can keep idolising Montana.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

So funny.:roll:

"Pretty clear" and "it is a movie after all".

Wow, I'm convinced. Strong arguments there.

I don't idolize Montana, btw. I'm just analyzing the script.

[HardwoodLegend]

he was just an overly protective brother. Manny was a known man whore and he didn't want his sister to end up as one of Manny's conquests. if his sister and manny had come to Tony ahead of time and explained that they were actually in love i doubt Tony would have reacted the way he did.

Spot-on.

[Rasheed1]

he was just an overly protective brother. Manny was a known man whore and he didn't want his sister to end up as one of Manny's conquests. if his sister and manny had come to Tony ahead of time and explained that they were actually in love i doubt Tony would have reacted the way he did.


I would also agree with this answer... Seems tony montana was like alot of older brothers/dad type figures. He had that attitude where he was gonna do dirt, but he was gonna try and keep Gina away from it.. He even tried to make some good use of his money by trying to give it to his mother...

you know old cliche where the rich criminal tries to make amends by trying to put his money to good use..

He was just fanatical about keeping Gina pure.. He would have trouble with any dude, but no way in hell would let Manny have her..

[Zan Tabak]

he was just an overly protective brother. Manny was a known man whore and he didn't want his sister to end up as one of Manny's conquests. if his sister and manny had come to Tony ahead of time and explained that they were actually in love i doubt Tony would have reacted the way he did.
Thank you. You saved me from having to write it myself. But I would also like to add that Tony didn't have anyone that loved him except his sister. So naturally he's going to be over protective of her. Especially when you throw in his 'gangsta' mentality.

Lol@incest. You guys couldn't be more wrong.

[Rasheed1]

Thank you. You saved me from having to write it myself. But I would also like to add that Tony didn't have anyone that loved him except his sister. So naturally he's going to be over protective of her. Especially when you throw in his 'gangsta' mentality.

Lol@incest. You guys couldn't be more wrong.


yup.. he tries to protect her and he destroys her and his only other friend Manny in the process..

The classic character.... Everything he touches turns to sh*t, no matter what his intent..

his momma was right about him

[Ass Dan]

Why do black people like/revere scarface/tony montana so much?

underdog who made it to the top and didn't give a single solitary f*ck.

moved more bricks than almost anyone.

the hook however, is we see the ennui and the sadness that making it to the top gets us. you get what you always wanted but things end up worse.

also, great f*cking lines in that movie, the Geto Boys owe their rap career to Tony Montana.

[AlphaWolf24]

Denzel in traning day should replace Tony Montana for black people. Young Italians should become Tony Montana stans.


Tony Montana was cuban....

not that it matters.....only the ignorant/uneducated use an imaginary " Race" element to find a common bond.

[Dresta]

Just look at the expression on Montana's face when he first sees his sister. It is blatant. In the original the incestuousness was more overt, but they obviously dialled it back in this one because otherwise the film wouldn't have as many fanboys.

[HardwoodLegend]

Just look at the expression on Montana's face when he first sees his sister. It is blatant. In the original the incestuousness was more overt, but they obviously dialled it back in this one because otherwise the film wouldn't have as many fanboys.

They didn't dial it back. They changed it completely to overprotectiveness with a hint of possible incest just to give it a little texture to make the audience wonder about their past.

Tony is oddly close to his sister. I'll give you that, but Rasheed1's short description is perfect. He's simply fanatical about keeping her pure.

[Goldrush25]

Horray for sweeping generalizations!

I'm black, I've tried watching Scarface at least 3 times. I thought it was boring, never could get past 30 minutes in. I guess I've seen Al Pacino in more believable roles before I watched that movie so I never bought that dumb accent.

[MavsSuperFan]

Honeydew melon >>> Watermelon

:no:
this is inaccurate

1.watermelon
2. orange
3. pear
4. grapes
5. apples


XX. honeydew

[MavsSuperFan]

I would also agree with this answer... Seems tony montana was like alot of older brothers/dad type figures. He had that attitude where he was gonna do dirt, but he was gonna try and keep Gina away from it.. He even tried to make some good use of his money by trying to give it to his mother...

you know old cliche where the rich criminal tries to make amends by trying to put his money to good use..

He was just fanatical about keeping Gina pure.. He would have trouble with any dude, but no way in hell would let Manny have her..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4GsCEopbd4
dude didnt do a good job then.

[dude77]

If Tony didn't kill Manny this shit didn't Happened.

:oldlol: funny and true

as for Gina .. damn she looked great here .. that face

[Dresta]

They didn't dial it back. They changed it completely to overprotectiveness with a hint of possible incest just to give it a little texture to make the audience wonder about their past.

Tony is oddly close to his sister. I'll give you that, but Rasheed1's short description is perfect. He's simply fanatical about keeping her pure.
Yeah, but for himself.

[DropStep]

Its not just black people, its everyone.

There is a reason why movies and shows like Breaking Bad, Godfather, Scarface,The Wire and Goodfellas have success. Everyone wants to be and watch the guy sitting at the top.