Breaking Bad: The Epic Refresher

[1987_Lakers]

The final season is gonna start soon, this is for people who need a quick refresher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovlK-WXJ-pQ

[andgar923]

The final season is gonna start soon, this is far people who need a quick refresher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovlK-WXJ-pQ

Thx :cheers:

Can't wait

[ROCSteady]

awesome video. Good editing, pretty funny too.

[1987_Lakers]

I just realized that the first guy Walt killed has the same name as me. It is an uncommon name too.

[bluechox2]

one of the greatest shows coming to an end

[Graviton]

Gotta catch up on Season 5, I feel like the show is slightly overrated and unrealistic, especially when people say it's the GOAT. But the 2 performances from the leads basically keep the whole thing together, everyone else besides Saul is so annoying. I just hope he doesn't die in the end.

[1987_Lakers]

Gotta catch up on Season 5, I feel like the show is slightly overrated and unrealistic, especially when people say it's the GOAT. But the 2 performances from the leads basically keep the whole thing together, everyone else besides Saul is so annoying. I just hope he doesn't die in the end.

The writing is excellent, seasons 2, 3, & 4 were downright flawless in terms of writing. I love how the show slowly got darker and darker as time passed.

[WayOfWade]

"I am the one who knocks."

[longtime lurker]

Gotta catch up on Season 5, I feel like the show is slightly overrated and unrealistic, especially when people say it's the GOAT. But the 2 performances from the leads basically keep the whole thing together, everyone else besides Saul is so annoying. I just hope he doesn't die in the end.

Gustavo is not impressed
http://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/gus-fring.jpg

[SuperPippen]

Season 4 was the greatest TV event I've ever witnessed, especially that final stretch of six or so episodes. Week after week the show just kept heaving exhilarating moments at the viewer.

But I'm not gonna lie, Season 5 (Part 1) disappointed me. I haven't watched it since it aired, so maybe it will improve upon a repeat viewing, but my hype for season 5 Part 2 is just ever so slightly smaller than my hype for Part 1.

I'm still eagerly anticipating these last 8 episodes, however. I just hope they can replicate, or perhaps even exceed, the quality of season 4. A dynamically amazing ending would probably elevate this show above The Wire for greatest TV program ever.

[Brunch@Five]

I love the show, watching it all for a second time right now, and I realized I hate the following characters:

Walt
Jesse
Skyler
Walt Jr.

seriously. They're all annoying. I'm definitely rooting for Hank.

[1987_Lakers]

I love the show, watching it all for a second time right now, and I realized I hate the following characters:

Walt
Jesse
Skyler
Walt Jr.

seriously. They're all annoying. I'm definitely rooting for Hank.

Walt becomes more unlikeable as the show progresses, Jesse becomes more likeable. Never really cared for Skyler & Walt Jr.

[Brunch@Five]

Walt becomes more unlikeable as the show progresses, Jesse becomes more likeable. Never really cared for Skyler & Walt Jr.

I don't know, seeing all that for the second time I realize that Walt was a bad person with a weak character to begin with. Bitter and stubborn, has poor judgement (as Gus tells him their first meeting) and an unhealthy amount of pride.

Jesse is both stupid intellectually and has no street smarts. No balls (let's Walt and/or Jane decide for him). Is a g*ddamn drug addict. Sets our to kill people for their drug business.

Both Walt and Jesse have multiple options to leave their paths as drug lords and would have been better off than before the series. Neither of them actually do so because of their faulty character.

[Thorpesaurous]

I watched the first four seasons on Netflix not long ago, but missed the first half of season five, and really need to get caught up before it finishes out.

I do tend to agree with Graviton that the show is just a tad bit overrated. Better than say Dexter, but not quite on the level of The Sopranos, The Wire, or Mad Men or Game of Thrones for current stuff. So somewhere in like an A- range, which is weird. I think my main issues are that it's a weirdly limited world. The whole show is really only about 6 or 7 characters. And that it's played almost to an extreme with it's characters. Gus being almost comically bad. Hank being almost comically good. It is very much carried by Walt's increasing darkness. It's a great performance over such a span of time.

[bballer]

in for saul goodman spinoff show:

http://screenrant.com/breaking-bad-spinoff-saul-goodman/

[LakersDaBEst]

The last scene was the dude taking an EPIC shit :bowdown:

[nightprowler10]

I watched the first four seasons on Netflix not long ago, but missed the first half of season five, and really need to get caught up before it finishes out.

I do tend to agree with Graviton that the show is just a tad bit overrated. Better than say Dexter, but not quite on the level of The Sopranos, The Wire, or Mad Men or Game of Thrones for current stuff. So somewhere in like an A- range, which is weird. I think my main issues are that it's a weirdly limited world. The whole show is really only about 6 or 7 characters. And that it's played almost to an extreme with it's characters. Gus being almost comically bad. Hank being almost comically good. It is very much carried by Walt's increasing darkness. It's a great performance over such a span of time.
I think Mad Men has been inconsistent enough for me to rate BB over it. Haven't seen Sopranos yet (I know) but agree with the rest.

[Tarik One]

What's amazing is that Dexter will be ending just as BB will be beginning. BB premieres on August 11 and Dexter ends in September....plus these two shows air back to back on Sundays

[SuperPippen]

I watched the first four seasons on Netflix not long ago, but missed the first half of season five, and really need to get caught up before it finishes out.

I do tend to agree with Graviton that the show is just a tad bit overrated. Better than say Dexter, but not quite on the level of The Sopranos, The Wire, or Mad Men or Game of Thrones for current stuff. So somewhere in like an A- range, which is weird. I think my main issues are that it's a weirdly limited world. The whole show is really only about 6 or 7 characters. And that it's played almost to an extreme with it's characters. Gus being almost comically bad. Hank being almost comically good. It is very much carried by Walt's increasing darkness. It's a great performance over such a span of time.

I'm sorry, but Game of Thrones simply isn't on par with the rest of those shows.

I could see why some think BB is overrated (especially after Season 5 Part 1) but it's still a completely gripping show with absolutely terrific performances. If any show is getting overrated, it's DEFINITELY Game of Thrones.

And I'm not trying to belittle GoT. It's certainly a good show, and it's easy to get entranced by it's scope and breadth (as well as Dany's titties) but, ultimately, the best I can say about it is that is a solid and fully entertaining adaptation of difficult source material. Which is definitely an impressive accomplishment, as GoT probably requires a whole lot more collective effort to produce than any other show on TV....... but it just isn't as consistently written or acted as The Sopranos, The Wire, Breaking Bad, etc.

[Bandito]

I love the show, watching it all for a second time right now, and I realized I hate the following characters:

Walt
Jesse
Skyler
Walt Jr.

seriously. They're all annoying. I'm definitely rooting for Hank.
I hate Skylar too. Is like she can't make a decision and is a cheating skank to boot.

[TheReal Kendall]

This damn show been on like a 2 year break!

I'm not even looking forward to it anymore.

I actually forgot about it.

That break was lame as hell:facepalm

[RoseCity07]

I don't think television has ever seen the kind of quality writing that breaking bad offers. The dynamic between Walt and Jesse is just brilliant. The show is so full of rich and interesting characters. Aaron Paul has so much charisma that everything he says is interesting. The show also has the feel of a movie both visually and story wise.

I enjoyoed the Sopranos. I never saw the whole thing though. The only show that I can rank near BB is The Shield. I know I have to check out The Wire as well.

[nightprowler10]

I don't think television has ever seen the kind of quality writing that breaking bad offers. The dynamic between Walt and Jesse is just brilliant. The show is so full of rich and interesting characters. Aaron Paul has so much charisma that everything he says is interesting. The show also has the feel of a movie both visually and story wise.

I enjoyoed the Sopranos. I never saw the whole thing though. The only show that I can rank near BB is The Shield. I know I have to check out The Wire as well.
The Shield was my favorite show for a while. But now...

The Shield << BB <<<<<<<<<<< The Wire

You may draw parallels between BB and the Shield, but the Wire is in a stratosphere of its own.

Watch it. Now.

[guy]

These are the titles of the last 8 episodes:

Bloody Money
Buried
Confessions
Rabid Dog
To'hajiilee
Ozymandias
Granite State
Felina

So I'm guessing in the 2nd episode someone dies or they bury the money. The third episode someone confesses to everything i.e. either Walt or Jesse. I wikipediad To'hajiilee and Ozymandias, and To'hajiilee is actually an Indian reservation in New Mexico so I'm guessing that has something to do with that episode. Ozymandias is a poem thats about the inevitable decline of great leaders so I'm guessing something crazy happens to Walt and/or his family here. Granite State is New Hampshire's nickname, so I'm guessing this is when Walt flees over there and I'm assuming decides to come back to New Mexico like they foreshadowed in the beginning of season 5. Felina just means cat. Soo who knows what that means for the season finale.

[guy]

I watched the first four seasons on Netflix not long ago, but missed the first half of season five, and really need to get caught up before it finishes out.

I do tend to agree with Graviton that the show is just a tad bit overrated. Better than say Dexter, but not quite on the level of The Sopranos, The Wire, or Mad Men or Game of Thrones for current stuff. So somewhere in like an A- range, which is weird. I think my main issues are that it's a weirdly limited world. The whole show is really only about 6 or 7 characters. And that it's played almost to an extreme with it's characters. Gus being almost comically bad. Hank being almost comically good. It is very much carried by Walt's increasing darkness. It's a great performance over such a span of time.

Gus comically bad? Maybe I have poor taste, but I think he's one of the greatest characters of all-time. So far its been my favorite show ever, but out of your list I've only seen the Wire and GOT. I love the Wire, and definitely think its close, and it probably is a much deeper show with greater substance, but I just can't say I've been as entertained and excited watching it as as Breaking Bad. Like another poster said, GOT is great but I think its very overrated. In fact, IMO I'd easily take Boardwalk Empire, which doesn't get nearly the same attention, over it. And while you say Breaking Bad only has a few characters, GOT has wayyyy too many characters where unlike the Wire and Boardwalk Empire, its hard to keep track of because of the vastly different world and culture they live in.

[guy]

The Shield was my favorite show for a while. But now...

The Shield << BB <<<<<<<<<<< The Wire

You may draw parallels between BB and the Shield, but the Wire is in a stratosphere of its own.

Watch it. Now.

The Shield is awesome. Although I'd easily take BB and the Wire over it, Vick Mackey might be my favorite TV show character ever.

[rufuspaul]

:no: Dissing Game Of Thrones


Say my name. Go on, say it.

[Cherry Picker]

I was watching Do the Right Thing the other day and was surprised that Buggin' out was the same actor as Gus Fring.

Also my top 3 is Sopranos>>>The Wire>Breaking Bad imo

[guy]

Going to be an entertaining few months of Sunday TV starting in August, at least for me. Breaking Bad + Ray Donovan (new show on Showtime) for about a month, then for about 3 weeks, there will be Breaking Bad + Ray Donovan + Boardwalk Empire, then on the same day there will be an episode of Boardwalk Empire + series finale of Breaking Bad + season premier of Homeland, then Boardwalk Empire + Homeland for a few months. Can't wait :rockon:

[kNicKz]

Season 4 was the greatest TV event I've ever witnessed,

relax

[Myth]

Season 4 was the greatest TV event I've ever witnessed, especially that final stretch of six or so episodes. Week after week the show just kept heaving exhilarating moments at the viewer.

But I'm not gonna lie, Season 5 (Part 1) disappointed me. I haven't watched it since it aired, so maybe it will improve upon a repeat viewing, but my hype for season 5 Part 2 is just ever so slightly smaller than my hype for Part 1.

I'm still eagerly anticipating these last 8 episodes, however. I just hope they can replicate, or perhaps even exceed, the quality of season 4. A dynamically amazing ending would probably elevate this show above The Wire for greatest TV program ever.

Season 5 can only be viewed as disappointing due to how great season 4 was though. Season 4 upped the hype. That said, it is still a great season IMO. That train episode was so amazing. One of the best BB episodes of the series. And the cliff hanger, even if people didn't like how they revealed Hank figuring it out, left just about everybody in a state of anticipation for a year. I have been dying to see it for the past year. I don't think I've anticipated anything more in my life with the exception of when I was anticipating losing my virginity.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Great video. I had forgot some stuff..

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Gus comically bad? Maybe I have poor taste, but I think he's one of the greatest characters of all-time. So far its been my favorite show ever, but out of your list I've only seen the Wire and GOT. I love the Wire, and definitely think its close, and it probably is a much deeper show with greater substance, but I just can't say I've been as entertained and excited watching it as as Breaking Bad. Like another poster said, GOT is great but I think its very overrated. In fact, IMO I'd easily take Boardwalk Empire, which doesn't get nearly the same attention, over it. And while you say Breaking Bad only has a few characters, GOT has wayyyy too many characters where unlike the Wire and Boardwalk Empire, its hard to keep track of because of the vastly different world and culture they live in.

Agreed. I've watched Sopranos (my favorite show prior to BB), Dexter, Lost, Burn Notice, Rescue Me, Law and Order, Suits, and The Walking Dead, but the plot and story line of each episode in Breaking Bad is the finest I have watched. That plus the way it starts and finishes leaves you intrigued and anticipated for the following episode...like no other show I have seen (gotta say, though, Dexter leaves you w/ some serious cliff-hangers).

Words can't really describe BB's brilliance fully. No show compares to this.

[BrickingStar]

I only finished season 1 and half of season 2 last year. Had to stop because I'm guessing something came up and I was busy. Should be an enjoyable time to marathon the rest of what I haven't seen (which is a lot)

[sommervilleCdn]

http://kotaku.com/this-is-what-breaking-bad-would-be-like-in-an-alternate-1006099265

:roll: jesse pinkman

[sommervilleCdn]

^^^

let's follow-up "Alternate reality- Breaking Bad" with
*Breaking Bread. :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GnM8vwS-O0

[Bless Mathews]

one of the greatest shows coming to an end


gyea...

lots of Walt s in the 2-oh...

[Unstoppabull]

We are never cooking together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y_Kd9ZoA6Q

[Thorpesaurous]

I ripped through the first four seasons in like two weeks on Netflix when I first signed up, probably in April. I felt it was a bit overrated at the time, but I admittedly rushed them. Although I also rushed through the Mad Men Series, but that I felt I rushed more because I wanted to. Spots of BB had felt like work.

That said, I just reeled off all of that first half of season five over this past weekend, as it just got released on Netflix. Mostly I wanted to make sure I was up to speed for the ending here, and I'd obviously never seen those 8 or so episodes. I gotta say, I thought they were great. I absolutely loved the train heist. I found Mike a more interesting, gritty, and real feeling character than Gus, who I thoroughly enjoyed, but did feel a little over the top at times. And I have a good feeling about the Lydia character, who seems so emotionally manipulative, that she'll make for a fascinating foil to me. And Jesse also really evolved in that half a season to become a much more fleshed out and realistic feeling character.

Really pumped.

[nightprowler10]

Yeah I loved Mike in this season. He was the only one who seemed to get what Walt was really all about, yet tended to underestimate him at times.

[rufuspaul]

Walt's evolution from sympathetic cancer victim to manipulative egomaniac is brilliant. The guy is evil yet we (the viewers) pull for him.

[kNicKz]

Walt's evolution from sympathetic cancer victim to manipulative egomaniac is brilliant. The guy is evil yet we (the viewers) pull for him.

Around season 4 I stopped rooting for Walt

[Myth]

Less than a week away, BITCH!

[Heavincent]

Walt's evolution from sympathetic cancer victim to manipulative egomaniac is brilliant. The guy is evil yet we (the viewers) pull for him.

At this point, Jesse is the character I'm really rooting for. Walt killing Mike is what rubbed me the wrong way about him.

Walt had so many awesome one liners in season 5 though.

"I'm in the empire business."

"Out burying bodies?" ....."Robbing a train"

"Say my name"

"You're Heisenberg"

"...You're god damn right"

[rufuspaul]

At this point, Jesse is the character I'm really rooting for. Walt killing Mike is what rubbed me the wrong way about him.



Jesse killing Gale didn't bother you?

[Myth]

At this point, Jesse is the character I'm really rooting for. Walt killing Mike is what rubbed me the wrong way about him.

Walt had so many awesome one liners in season 5 though.

"I'm in the empire business."

"Out burying bodies?" ....."Robbing a train"

"Say my name"

"You're Heisenberg"

"...You're god damn right"

Or when Mike asks how Walt knows the magnet worked on Gus's computer: "Because I say so."

[Thorpesaurous]

I think the reason most people aren't bothered by Jesse's killing Gail is that Jesse has shown a ton of remorse over the course of the show. He dumps his girlfriend to keep her and Brock away from his horrible existence, which is in direct conflict to Walt who is fighting the same instinct Skyler is having with him. Jesse just seems to feel more.

I think that's part of why the Lydia character interests me. Walt has been manipulating Jesse for the better part of three seasons at least, but now this woman comes along who seems like an expert in the field. The way she flipped the switch during Mike's interrogation, crying about her kid and so forth, to basically questioning their manhood about robbing the train, was crazy to me. And the woman playing her has been really good at it.

The other interesting thing I picked up from this was the very short season opening bumper, with Walt eating breakfast all disheveled in a diner. Walt says it's his birthday, and he's eating the same breakfast Skyler served him on his previous birthday, which happens late in those 8 episodes. They keep talking about how he was diagnosed just a year ago, which just seems crazy. Those four seasons were all crammed into one year. But based on how the show has run those bumpers, it looks like these last 8 or so episodes or whatever that will conclude the series will take place over the same one year of time span that had previously taken 4 and half seasons to cover. Which means I'm guessing we'll see some really ramped up pacing, and some time jumping, in order to make that happen.

[Myth]

I'm curious when and on who we will see the ricin used. Maybe Walt kills himself with it? Or maybe Jesse uses it on him? Or does Walt use it on Hank?

[guy]

I'm curious when and on who we will see the ricin used. Maybe Walt kills himself with it? Or maybe Jesse uses it on him? Or does Walt use it on Hank?

Very good point. Ricin has been brought up numerous times in the show but has yet to kill one person. You'd have to think it'll get someone at some point. Might be fitting if it were for Walt. Only problem with that is it wouldn't be dramatic since it apparently takes a few days to kick in.

[highwhey]

breaking bads instagram account posted a pic about the show returning on august 11 and i noticed my friend commented "am doing so much meth to prepare for this"

just lost it when i saw he had commented that :oldlol:

[Myth]

Very good point. Ricin has been brought up numerous times in the show but has yet to kill one person. You'd have to think it'll get someone at some point. Might be fitting if it were for Walt. Only problem with that is it wouldn't be dramatic since it apparently takes a few days to kick in.

Also, if they weren't going to use it, they would have had Walt flush it rather than hide it in an electrical socket.

Edit: Ooh, maybe Walt took it before getting his big gun at Denny's. Walt already knows he is dead in a day or 2, so he is going all rambo on somebody who hurt his family.

[Myth]

Is there any word on the length of the final episode? Will it be the regular hour? Or will it be a 2 hour finale?

[guy]

Is there any word on the length of the final episode? Will it be the regular hour? Or will it be a 2 hour finale?

I believe they're doing a 1 hour behind the scenes program after every episode, so I doubt it.

[Thorpesaurous]

Also, if they weren't going to use it, they would have had Walt flush it rather than hide it in an electrical socket.

Edit: Ooh, maybe Walt took it before getting his big gun at Denny's. Walt already knows he is dead in a day or 2, so he is going all rambo on somebody who hurt his family.


I'm sort of expecting it to hurt someone Walt cares about, like the baby, or Walt Jr., even Skyler, because that seems like it'd be much worse than Walt dieing. Something horrible had to happen to get Walt to that Denny's. I don't think it was just him on the run from Hank, it feels like maybe he's on the run from something worse, something that happened. And I also noticed that his hair is all back in that bumper, so it seems like his cancer is gone at that point.

[guy]

I'm sort of expecting it to hurt someone Walt cares about, like the baby, or Walt Jr., even Skyler, because that seems like it'd be much worse than Walt dieing. Something horrible had to happen to get Walt to that Denny's. I don't think it was just him on the run from Hank, it feels like maybe he's on the run from something worse, something that happened. And I also noticed that his hair is all back in that bumper, so it seems like his cancer is gone at that point.

I think its pretty clear thats the case. I highly doubt he's preparing for an all out rampage against Hank. Has to be something bigger and more threatening. I was thinking Declan was going to be a foe this season, but we haven't really heard much about that character after that 1 episode. Still, doesn't sound like someone Walt can just tell he's not going to cook for, and then go on without an reaction. It could also be the Cartel. They still have beef have over their dealings with Gus, which Walt was involved in, and what happened with Tuco and the Cousins.

[Brunch@Five]

Walt's evolution from sympathetic cancer victim to manipulative egomaniac is brilliant. The guy is evil yet we (the viewers) pull for him.

there is not a single character trait, other than him being a cancer patient, that would make anyone feel sympathetic for him. He's a miserable, bitter and lying know-it-all from the very first episode.

[longtime lurker]

I think the reason most people aren't bothered by Jesse's killing Gail is that Jesse has shown a ton of remorse over the course of the show. He dumps his girlfriend to keep her and Brock away from his horrible existence, which is in direct conflict to Walt who is fighting the same instinct Skyler is having with him. Jesse just seems to feel more.


The things about killing Gail is that they had no choice. It was either kill Gail or both of them were dead men. Plus Walt had saved Jesse's life the previous episode. So he kind of owed him one. Jesse is a sympathetic character because you feel for him and he's pretty much had to deal with a lot of shit from the cook.


there is not a single character trait, other than him being a cancer patient, that would make anyone feel sympathetic for him. He's a miserable, bitter and lying know-it-all from the very first episode.

That's the genius of the show. Walt is pretty much a horrible person, but you root for him the whole time anyways.

[SuperPippen]

there is not a single character trait, other than him being a cancer patient, that would make anyone feel sympathetic for him. He's a miserable, bitter and lying know-it-all from the very first episode.

I agree.

On my initial viewing of the series so far, I naturally felt a lot of sympathy for Walt and his predicament, but after another watch, the realization that Walt's arrogance and pride is evident from the outset of the series. It had simply been lying dormant after years living in a rut of disappointment and monotony as a high school teacher.

[Tarik One]

I can't believe no one has mentioned the strong and plausible possibility of Todd betraying Walt. Think about it: Todd knows how to cook meth perhaps just as well as Walt, he's a sociopathic opportunist, and he's got some strong ties with the Aryans (I doubt we've seen the last of them).

[ROCSteady]

At this point, Jesse is the character I'm really rooting for. Walt killing Mike is what rubbed me the wrong way about him.

Walt had so many awesome one liners in season 5 though.

"I'm in the empire business."

"Out burying bodies?" ....."Robbing a train"

"Say my name"

"You're Heisenberg"

"...You're god damn right"


So not the time he blantantly poisoned an innocent boy to manipulate Jesse to help him follow through with his intentions to kill Gustavo Fringe?

That's what flipped me on Walt but he still an awesomely magnetic character

[guy]

there is not a single character trait, other than him being a cancer patient, that would make anyone feel sympathetic for him. He's a miserable, bitter and lying know-it-all from the very first episode.

Well, having cancer makes someone a pretty damn sympathetic character just by itself. I disagree though. There is something sympathetic about the "little guy". There's something sympathetic about the teacher that works at a car wash afterwards struggling to support his family, which includes a disabled son and pregnant wife, and who's really a genius and had billion dollar ideas but was apparently screwed over by his friends. Part of the reason people want to root for him is because they are sympathetic with who he was before he started.

[KingBeasley08]

Been rewatchin this and I gotta agree that Walt's signs of going bad were heavy from the start. Dude has unhealthy pride/ego

[rufuspaul]

Well, having cancer makes someone a pretty damn sympathetic character just by itself. I disagree though. There is something sympathetic about the "little guy". There's something sympathetic about the teacher that works at a car wash afterwards struggling to support his family, which includes a disabled son and pregnant wife, and who's really a genius and had billion dollar ideas but was apparently screwed over by his friends. Part of the reason people want to root for him is because they are sympathetic with who he was before he started.


This. At first you want Walt to cheat the system. Once the bodies start to pile up though...

[PleezeBelieve]

Gus is one of the top 15-20 TV characters of all time.... and that was established in three seasons.

Great show.

But I see you all hating on Dexter and totally omitting Lost from best series ever, so nothing really shocking going on here.

[guy]

This. At first you want Walt to cheat the system. Once the bodies start to pile up though...

Plus, you soon realize just how much deep down inside his primary motive is for his own ego i.e. his desire for power and the feeling that he's making up for his old boring life. The fact that he's taking care of his family in the process seems to be more of a bonus, and not something that truly mattered as much as he made it seem. Of course, maybe his decision to get out in that last episode may indicate that thats not the case.

[longtime lurker]

I can't believe no one has mentioned the strong and plausible possibility of Todd betraying Walt. Think about it: Todd knows how to cook meth perhaps just as well as Walt, he's a sociopathic opportunist, and he's got some strong ties with the Aryans (I doubt we've seen the last of them).

I think it's a little too obvious that Todd will betray Walt. Hence why he comes back to fight the Aryan brotherhood going on. I want to see how the writers will deal with the Hank story. That's what really has my interest and I hope they don't totally cop out on it. Another thing about this show is the allusions to scarface.....and how everybody dies.......

[longtime lurker]

Gus is one of the top 15-20 TV characters of all time.... and that was established in three seasons.

Great show.

But I see you all hating on Dexter and totally omitting Lost from best series ever, so nothing really shocking going on here.

Dexter started off great and seasons 2 and 4 was some of the best tv that I've ever seen, but the 5th and 6th seasons were such a piece of shit let down. Also way too many cop outs and deux ex machinas in the story.

Never seen Lost.

[guy]

I think it's a little too obvious that Todd will betray Walt. Hence why he comes back to fight the Aryan brotherhood going on. I want to see how the writers will deal with the Hank story. That's what really has my interest and I hope they don't totally cop out on it. Another thing about this show is the allusions to scarface.....and how everybody dies.......

That might not happen. There's way too many potential storylines out there with different enemies for Walt i.e. Walt vs. Hank, Walt vs. Jesse, Walt vs. Declan, Walt vs. the Aryan brotherhood, Walt vs. the Cartel (they run the drug game, so it shouldn't be surprising if they show up again). Obviously Walt vs. Hank is going to happen, and I'm sure Walt vs. Jesse is going to happen, but how much more can they fit into 8 episodes? I still expect there to be some enemy out there that is actually threatening his life though.

[Heavincent]

So not the time he blantantly poisoned an innocent boy to manipulate Jesse to help him follow through with his intentions to kill Gustavo Fringe?

That's what flipped me on Walt but he still an awesomely magnetic character

It was a huge asshole move, but it worked out fine. The kid lived and he got Jesse on his side. He did what he had to do.

Killing Mike served no purpose. It was a knee jerk reaction by Walt and he realized it right after he shot him.

[guy]

It was a huge asshole move, but it worked out fine. The kid lived and he got Jesse on his side. He did what he had to do.

Killing Mike served no purpose. It was a knee jerk reaction by Walt and he realized it right after he shot him.

Its not like that was the only way he could've gotten Jesse on his side.

I find it funny how the writers have turned Mike into a sympathetic figure because of Walt. Don't get me wrong, he's an awesome character. But lets not act like Mike was more good then bad and had a better moral compass then Walt. He was less reckless and more organized then Walt, but he was just as shitty of a person.

[Brunch@Five]

Well, having cancer makes someone a pretty damn sympathetic character just by itself. I disagree though. There is something sympathetic about the "little guy". There's something sympathetic about the teacher that works at a car wash afterwards struggling to support his family, which includes a disabled son and pregnant wife, and who's really a genius and had billion dollar ideas but was apparently screwed over by his friends. Part of the reason people want to root for him is because they are sympathetic with who he was before he started.

I admit I only started feeling that way watching it the 2nd time, but you realize that Walt had all his "bad" character traits from the very first episode. He has plenty of options to get out of the meth business (heck, just accept Elliot and Gretchens offer), but he's getting into it deeper and deepter just due to his bad character and hence "evil" decisions.
He's a bitter prick that loves his family in episode 1, season 1, and he is a bitter prick that loves his family in episode 8 of season 5.

[guy]

I admit I only started feeling that way watching it the 2nd time, but you realize that Walt had all his "bad" character traits from the very first episode. He has plenty of options to get out of the meth business (heck, just accept Elliot and Gretchens offer), but he's getting into it deeper and deepter just due to his bad character and hence "evil" decisions.
He's a bitter prick that loves his family in episode 1, season 1, and he is a bitter prick that loves his family in episode 8 of season 5.

Well of course no one said he was perfect. He's a character though that people can relate to to some extent (before all the crazy stuff I mean).

[Brunch@Five]

Well of course no one said he was perfect. He's a character though that people can relate to to some extent (before all the crazy stuff I mean).

I understand what you mean. Maybe it's just watching it again with the knowledge of what he would do later that makes you dislike the same traits that seem like regular, forgivable flaws at a first glance.

[Thorpesaurous]

The ego stroking is not only a huge part of Walt's involvement in the business, but that flat out state it more than once. He has at least a couple conversations with Jesse where he outright expresses the interest in "being the best at something". At some point that became Walt's motivation for continuing to work.

[longtime lurker]

The ego stroking is not only a huge part of Walt's involvement in the business, but that flat out state it more than once. He has at least a couple conversations with Jesse where he outright expresses the interest in "being the best at something". At some point that became Walt's motivation for continuing to work.

I think it all goes back to that conversation that Walt had with Jesse about grey matter technologies. He realized what he could have built, but he let his pride get in the way, ironically pride is the reason he's still in the mess that he's in now.

[SuperPippen]

I think it all goes back to that conversation that Walt had with Jesse about grey matter technologies. He realized what he could have built, but he let his pride get in the way, ironically pride is the reason he's still in the mess that he's in now.

Exactly.

Walt continues to delude himself into thinking that he's in the business for the benefit of his family, and although that may have partially the reason he started cooking meth in the first place, the primary reason e stayed in the drug game was because of his pride in being the best.

[Tarik One]

Exactly.

Walt continues to delude himself into thinking that he's in the business for the benefit of his family, and although that may have partially the reason he started cooking meth in the first place, the primary reason e stayed in the drug game was because of his pride in being the best.
Walt is not deluding himself about anything. That ship has sailed. He's in full Heisenberg mode now.

If anyone is interested, here is a cool deleted scene from last season's train heist

..http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=LRqNiyeWvS4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLRqNiyeWvS4%26feature%3 Dyoutu.be

[longtime lurker]

Walt is not deluding himself about anything. That ship has sailed. He's in full Heisenberg mode now.

If anyone is interested, here is a cool deleted scene from last season's train heist

..http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=LRqNiyeWvS4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLRqNiyeWvS4%26feature%3 Dyoutu.be

He's still deluded. He wants to leave his family a drug empire :biggums:

Even Jesse was like WTF.

He could have gotten out numerous times. Hell I was pissed as hell when he didn't just let Hank run with the assumption that Gail was Heisenberg.

[alenleomessi]

i guess its time to rewatch the last few episodes

[Myth]

i guess its time to rewatch the last few episodes

I just watched the 8 episodes of Season 5 in the last few days.

[Tarik One]

He's still deluded. He wants to leave his family a drug empire :biggums:

Even Jesse was like WTF.

He could have gotten out numerous times. Hell I was pissed as hell when he didn't just let Hank run with the assumption that Gail was Heisenberg.
Name one instance during the last couple seasons in which Walt actually stated or even tried to convince someone that he's "doing it for his family". Heck, he even told Jesse "I'm in the empire business". Does that sound like a delusional person to you?

As I said, he is Heisenberg now, which is why he couldn't just let accept the idea of someone else (Gale).

[alenleomessi]

I just watched the 8 episodes of Season 5 in the last few days.
well yeah im gonna do the same.. i know i watched the first 2 and a half seasons in just a week so this is nothing... though this season has been a little slow

[D-Rose]

Just finished Season 5 part 1...incredible. Had to go back and watch the opening scene from first episode of season 5 and it made a lot more sense as it's his 52nd birthday, so a year ahead of when Season 5 ended.

Walt became a lot less likeable during this season, his ego and self interest showed way more than before.

I was pulling for Mike the most this season probably.

[DirkNowitzki41]

cant wait