List top 5 players right now at each position

[SacJB Shady]

Point Guard
1. Westbrook
2. Rose
3. Curry
4. Parker
5. Paul


Shooting Guard
1. Harden
2. Wade
3. Kobe
4. Thompson
5. Ellis

Small Forward
1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Melo
4. Iguodala
5. Leonard


Power Forward
1. Love
2. Lee
3. Griffin
4. Aldridge
5. Randolph

Center
1. Howard
2. Duncan
3. Gasol
4. Lopez
5. Bogut when healthy

[fozi]

How could Rose possibly be 2nd when he havent played since forever ..
How Durant is not top five ?
How Kobe is behind harden and wade?


You on molly my friend ?

[SpurrDurr]

That clown put the entire GSW in the top 5 positions :roll:

[KNOW1EDGE]

ur gay

[KobesFinger]

PG
1 CP3
2 Parker
3 Curry
4 Irving
5 Conley

HM - Rose (#1/2 when healthy), Rondo (#4/5 when healthy)

SG

1 Wade
2 Harden
3 JR
4 Joe Johnson
5 Thompson

HM - Kobe (#1 when healthy)

SF

1 LeBron
2 KD
3 Melo
4 Rudy
5 Leonard

HM - Pierce

PF

1 Bosh
2 Aldridge
3 Griffin
4 Z Bo
5 Dirk

HM - P. Gasol, Love (#3 when healthy)

C

1 Duncan/Dwight
2 Dwight/Duncan
3 M. Gasol
4 DMC
5 Lopez

HM - Bynum (#2 when healthy), Noah

Edit - completely forgot about Duncan

[Redoks]

PF

1 Bosh
2 Aldridge
3 Griffin
4 Z Bo
5 Dirk



:roll:

[SpurrDurr]

Maybe I'm biased, but they do have an amazing 6 player rotation

Yeh but Iggy, Klay, Barnes and Bogut aren't top 5 in their positions.

Can't say anything about Lee and especially Curry tho.

[Unbiased_one]

Point Guard
1. Westbrook
2. Rose
3. Curry
4. Parker
5. Paul


Shooting Guard
1. Harden
2. Wade
3. Kobe
4. Thompson
5. Ellis

Small Forward
1. Lebron
2. Melo
3. Iguodala
4. Leonard
5. Barnes

Power Forward
1. Love
2. Lee
3. Griffin
4. Aldridge
5. Randolph

Center
1. Howard
2. Duncan
3. Gasol
4. Lopez
5. Bogut when healthy

If this were true, we might as well give GSW the chip this year. Good thing it's not.

[KrizMiz]

Griffin a top 5 PF ??

i dont know what you've been drinking, but i want the same stuff...

[Hittin_Shots]

Id still rank KG up there, his impact is still huge.

[joeyjoejoe]

Griffin a top 5 PF ??

i dont know what you've been drinking, but i want the same stuff...

Is kinda suprising ppl have him listed at 3 coz dunking isn't a stat

[SpurrDurr]

When healthy Bogut's a top 5 defensive player and Iggy has always been a top 5 in my book, especially with Pierce older now. Klay and Barnes have the potential.

Klay and Barnes have the potential but they aren't there yet.

Bogut has no case against Duncan, Howard, M. Gasol, Noah and i prefer Pekovic, Hibbert and Lopez over him since Bogut is been plagued by injuries in his career.

While for Iggy doesn't matter if you consider him a sf or a guard, he isn't a top 5 player.

Oh you even forgot the 2 best power fowards, Dirk and Horford.

[kurple]

where is durant?

and :roll: @ Lee being the 2nd best PF in the game

[kshutts1]

I may as well participate in this troll-style thread:

Note -- Seriously injured players won't appear. Who knows how/if/when they'll come back.

PG:
Paul
Parker
Curry
Kyrie
Wall

SG (hardest list):
Harden
Wade
JJ (not discounting him for one bad year in a completely new situation)
Evans
Ellis

SF:
Lebron
Durant
Melo
George
Iggy

PF:
Dirk
Bosh
Gasol
Horford
Aldridge

C:
Howard
Gasol
Noah
Duncan
Hibbert

A few more notes.. tons of players were obviously left off due to injury (Westbrook, Rondo, Rose, Kobe, Love...), and other promising your guys (Leonard, Butler, Cousins..) I want to see sustain their excellence, rather than have spurts.

[miles berg]

PG
1. Chris Paul
2. Russell Westbrook
3. Derrick Rose
4. Tony Parker
5. Steph Curry

SG
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwayne Wade
3. James Harden
4. Monta Ellis
5. Joe Johnson

SF
1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Andre Igoudala
5. Paul George

PF
1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Chris Bosh
3. Josh Smith
4. LaMarcus Aldridge
5. Blake Griffin

CT
1. Dwight Howard
2. Roy Hibbert
3. Joakim Noah
4. Tim Duncan
5. Marc Gasol

[kshutts1]

Maybe I'm taking thread title too literally, but it does clearly state "right now". So why do some people, even the OP, insist on putting injured players on their list?

[wally_world]

PG
Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook
Tony Parker
Stephen Curry
Rajon Rondo

SG
Kobe Bryant
James Harden
Dwyane Wade
holyshit the SG position sucks

SF
LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Carmelo Anthony
Andre Iguodala

PF
LaMarcus Aldridge
Kevin Love
David Lee
Dirk Nowitzki
Blake Griffin

C
Tim Duncan
Marc Gasol
Dwight Howard
Joakim Noah
Brook Lopez

ACCURATE

[Nezty]

PG
Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook
Tony Parker
Stephen Curry
Rajon Rondo

SG
Kobe Bryant
James Harden
Dwyane Wade
holyshit the SG position sucks

SF
LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Paul George
Carmelo Anthony
Andre Iguodala

PF
LaMarcus Aldridge
Kevin Love
David Lee
Dirk Nowitzki
Blake Griffin

C
Tim Duncan
Marc Gasol
Dwight Howard
Joakim Noah
Brook Lopez

ACCURATE


I agree with most of the list but this, DWill is underrated too much. :facepalm

[It's A VC3!!!]

you know your a serious homer when your top 5 in every position features a player from your team.:facepalm :lol

[kobeef24]

PG
1. Chris Paul
2. Derrick Rose
3. Stephen Curry
4. Russel Westbrook
5. Tony Parker

SG
1. James Harden
2. Dwayne Wade
3. Joe Johnson
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Monta Ellis

SF
1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Paul George
5. Andre Iguodala

PF
1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. LeMarcus Aldridge
3. Blake Griffin
4. Pau Gasol
5. Kevin Love

C
1. Dwight Howard
2. Marc Gasol
3. Roy Hibbert
4. Joakim Noah
5. Tim Duncan

[turnaroundJ]

PG
Westbrook
CP3
Rose
D-Will
Curry

SG
Kobe
Harden
Wade
Gordon
meh...Beal?

SF
Lebron
Durant
Melo
George
Green

PF
Love
Z-Bo
Dirk
Aldridge
Davis

C
Bynum
Dwight
Marc Gasol
Hibbert
Lopez

(all assuming full health)

[Kurosawa0]

When healthy:

Point Guard

1. Derrick Rose
2. Chris Paul
3. Russell Westbrook
4. Tony Parker
5. Stephen Curry

Shooting Guard

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwyane Wade
3. James Harden
4. Paul George
5. DeMar DeRozan

Small Forward

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Paul Pierce
5. Luol Deng

Power Forward

1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Kevin Love
3. Pau Gasol
4. LaMarcus Aldridge
5. Chris Bosh

Center

1. Dwight Howard
2. Tim Duncan
3. Marc Gasol
4. Joakim Noah
5. Brook Lopez

[Spaulding]

Wow...

[Horde of Temujin]

Center: yep, no Dwight

Duncan
M Gasol
Hibbert
Noah
Horford (Until he goes back to natural position)

PF:

Dirk
Z-Bo
West
Pau
KG

SF:

LBJ
KD
George
Melo
Iggy

SG:

Kobe
Harden
Dwade
JJ
?

PG

CP3
Westbrook
Parker
Rose
Curry

[Jlamb47]

PG
Westbrook
Paul
Parker
Dwill
Rose

SG
Kobe
Wade
Harden
George
JJ

SF
Lebron
Durant
Carmelo
Deng/Igudola
Pierce

PF
Love
Alridge
Dirk
Griffin
Lee/Zbo

C
Dwight/Duncan
Bynum
M Gasol
Noah
Lopez

[MTing]

PG
Chris Paul
Derrick Rose
Deron Williams
Rajon Rondo
Russell Westbrook

SG
Kobe Bryant
James Harden
Dwyane Wade
Paul George
Joe Johnson/Eric Gordon

SF
LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Carmelo Anthony
Andre Igoudala
Paul Pierce

PF
Tim Duncan
Lamarcus Aldridge
Dirk Nowitzki
Zach Randolph
Blake Griffin/Kevin Garnett

C
Dwight Howard
Andrew Bynum
Marc Gasol
Brook Lopez
Roy Hibbert

Would have left Joe off but SG position is pretty weak and Joe's there for his clutch factor.

Also I'm not sure if Paul George officially plays SF or SG but I guess you can switch him and Igoudala.

D-Will is so underrated right now.

[imdaman99]

you know your a serious homer when your top 5 in every position features a player from your team.:facepalm :lol
OK HOMER, why dont you list your top 5? You're one of the most delusional ppl ever on message board history. Leave your sister alone, and try to NOT include a Nets player at all 5 positions, like another Nets fan couldn't :roll: MTing

[MTing]

OK HOMER, why dont you list your top 5? You're one of the most delusional ppl ever on message board history. Leave your sister alone, and try to NOT include a Nets player at all 5 positions, like another Nets fan couldn't :roll: MTing
KG and JJ can be left off if it makes you feel better lol.

[1~Gibson~1]

That clown put the entire GSW in the top 5 positions :roll::oldlol:

[1~Gibson~1]

Based off of what I've seen,

Joakim Noah > Tim Duncan? :confusedshrug:
Kobe not a top 5 SG anymore? :confusedshrug:
and neither is Deron Williams? :confusedshrug:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Point Guard
1. Paul
2. Rose
3. Westbrook
4. Parker
5. Curry


Shooting Guard
1A. Kobe
1B. Harden
1C. Wade

4. Thompson
5. Manu (Heat defense is tough for guys with his playing style like Harden 2012)

Small Forward
1. Lebron

2. Durant

3. Melo
4. George
5. Iguodala

Power Forward
1. Dirk
2. Garnett
3. Griffin
4. Aldridge
5. Randolph

Center
1. Howard

2. Duncan
3. Gasol
4. Noah
5. Hibbert

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Based off of what I've seen,

Joakim Noah > Tim Duncan? :confusedshrug:
Kobe not a top 5 SG anymore? :confusedshrug:
and neither is Deron Williams? :confusedshrug:
PG is stacked.

Paul, Westbrook, Rose, Curry, Parker, Irving, Rondo etc.. all have cases over DWILL.

[Nash]

PG:
Lebron
Paul

SG:
Lebron
Kobe

SF:
Lebron
Durant

PF:
Lebron
Duncan

C:
Howard
Hibbert

[Horde of Temujin]

No David West in top 5?

Surely David West > Griffen

[KyrieTheFuture]

No David West in top 5?

Surely David West > Griffen

Are you retarded?

[noob cake]

No injured players since injuries sometimes can end careers. We have no idea if Kobe, Rose, Westbrook can come back to play at high levels.

PG:
1. Paul

2. Curry
3. Irving

4. Parker
5. Wall

SG:
1. Harden
2. Wade

3. Gordon
4. Johnson

5. ....either washed up vets or unproven rookies, DeRozan probably based on stats


SF:
1. LeBron

2. Durant

3. George
4. Melo

5. Deng

PF:
1. Dirk
2. Love
3. Bosh
4. LMA
5. ZBo

C:
1. Howard

2. Gasol
3. Duncan
4. Noah
5. Hibbert

[SpurrDurr]

So many people not considering Horford a top 5 PF, that's ****ed up :wtf:

[WayOfWade]

How are people putting Rose at #1?! Just because it's his jersey number does not mean he's actually that good. All we've seen him do is dunk on a friggin' 8 foot rim; for all we know, he's horrible (or good) so you can't judge him AT ALL. Same goes with Kobe, he ain't even cleared for playing.

[Horde of Temujin]

Are you retarded?

It isn't such an outrageous statement to warrant calling me a retard. Do you watch basketball? Or just hyped up ESPN highlights?

[Twiens]

PG
1. Chris Paul
2. Russell Westbrook
3. Derrick Rose
4. Tony Parker
5. Steph Curry

SG
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwayne Wade
3. James Harden
4. Monta Ellis
5. Joe Johnson

SF
1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Andre Igoudala
5. Paul George

PF
1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Chris Bosh
3. Josh Smith
4. LaMarcus Aldridge
5. Blake Griffin

CT
1. Dwight Howard
2. Roy Hibbert
3. Joakim Noah
4. Tim Duncan
5. Marc Gasol

I agree with 95% of this one other than Hibbert/Iggy/Jsmoove being a bit too high

[Horde of Temujin]

So many people not considering Horford a top 5 PF, that's ****ed up :wtf:

I hear you, I put him as a top 5 center since it looks as if he and Millsap will be sharing the frontcourt.

[KyrieTheFuture]

It isn't such an outrageous statement to warrant calling me a retard. Do you watch basketball? Or just hyped up ESPN highlights?

West

17/7.7/2.9 .49 FG/.77 FT 33.5 min

Griffin

18/8.3/3.7 .54/.66 32.5

In less minutes, griffin is more productive. You seem to think all Blake can do is dunk...are you sure you're not the one who only watches ESPN? Also, you don't have Dwight as a top 5 center which is a joke but I won't debate that with you I already know you think he's terrible and can't be convinced otherwise.

[crisoner]

Klay a top 4 SG WTF???

lmao

I like Klay but come on dude.

[Nastradamus]

PG
Paul
Westbrook
Rose
Parker
DWill

- Curry just misses the cut

SG

Kobe
Harden
Wade
Iguodala
Thompson

- Tough call on the last one. It gets very thin at that point

SF

Lebron
Durant
George
Melo
Pierce

- Deng,Leonard and Gay close behind

PF

Duncan
Love
Blake
KG
Dirk


- competition is brutal here. LA,Lee,Randolph,Bosh and others get consideration

C

Howard
Gasol
Hibbert
B.Lopez
Noah

Easy top 5 here IMO, though some youngsters could challenge for a spot soon.

[Bobby13]

Probably not gonna get a lot of love for this list

PG:
1. Russell Westbrook
2. Chris Paul
3. Stephen Curry
4. Derrick Rose
5. Tony Parker

SG:
1. Kobe Bryant
2. James Harden
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Andre Iguodala
5. Joe Johnson

SF:
1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Paul George
5. Kawhi Leonard

PF:
1. Kevin Love
2. LaMarcus Aldridge
3. Zach Randolph
4. Blake Griffin
5. Chris Bosh

C:
1. Tim Duncan
2. Dwight Howard
3. Marc Gasol
4. Joakim Noah
5. Roy Hibbert

[Bigsmoke]

Point Guard
3. Curry


Shooting Guard
4. Thompson

Small Forward
3. Iguodala

Power Forward
2. Lee

Center
5. Bogut when healthy

:rolleyes:

u only got Curry's rankings right.

[KG215]

Point Guard
1. Westbrook
2. Rose
3. Curry
4. Parker
5. Paul


Shooting Guard
1. Harden
2. Wade
3. Kobe
4. Thompson
5. Ellis

Small Forward
1. Lebron
2. Melo
3. Iguodala
4. Leonard
5. Barnes

Power Forward
1. Love
2. Lee
3. Griffin
4. Aldridge
5. Randolph

Center
1. Howard
2. Duncan
3. Gasol
4. Lopez
5. Bogut when healthy
:bowdown:

The Warriors have a top 5 player, in the entire league, at each position!

And I know you're trolling, or either really, really f***ing stupid, but how can you not at least have Durant in your top 5 SF's, even if it's at #4 or #5?

[KG215]

you know your a serious homer when your top 5 in every position features a player from your team.
And I think (can't be 100% sure) he's serious when he makes these types of threads. I'm just basing it on some of the batshit crazy stuff he used to post in the OTC, but Shady is one of the few posters that most people think or want to believe is trolling, but he's not.

[The JKidd Kid]

PG
Paul
Westbrook
Williams
Curry
Rose

SG
Kobe
Harden
Wade
Iggy
Johnson

SF
lebron
Durant
George
Melo
Peirce

PF
Aldridge
Love
Smith
Garnett
Randolph

C
Howard
Duncan
Gasol
Lopez
Hibbert

[GoSpursGo1984]

Not sure why Paul is still considered the best pg in the league when both Westbrook and Parker have better success. Guess people like empty stats.

[BallsOut]

First off, :oldlol: at all the homer posters saying injured players don't count to bump up their guys.

Second off, :oldlol: Duncan ain't a PF, he's a C.

If we read the title technically, its those players right now meaning those players that are actually playing right now. Who knows maybe Derek Fisher is playing a pickup game with his cousin in the backyard? :oldlol:

On a serious note, here's my list:

Point Guard
1: Chris Paul
2: Derrick Rose
3: Tony Parker
4: Russell Westbrook
5: Kyrie Irving
HM: Deron Williams

Shooting Guard
1: Kobe Bryant
2: James Harden
3: Dwyane Wade
4: Andre Iguodala
5: Joe Johnson
HM: Jamal Crawford

Small Forward
1: Lebron James
2: Carmelo Anthony
3: Kevin Durant
4: Paul George
5: Paul Pierce
HM: Luol Deng

Power Forward
1: LeMarcus Aldridge
2: Al Horford
3: Kevin Garnett
4: Kevin Love
5: Chris Bosh
HM: David Lee

Center
1: Tim Duncan
2: Marc Gasol
3: Dwight Howard
4: Joakim Noah
5: Andrew Bynum
HM: Pau Gasol

[TylerOO]

Wade is not the second best SG, GTFOH

[alec613]

OP feels hurt he put Kobe at 3

[kshutts1]

I realize this is all about opinion, but I struggle to find any sensible, realistic basketball fan that does not have:
Paul as the best PG
Lebron, Durant, Melo as the clear-cut top 3 SFs.

If those are not your answers, then I struggle to take you seriously. Again, I realize it's opinion, but... seriously? What realistic argument can be made for anyone above Paul as a PG? Or for George above Melo? Or Melo above Durant (as one person said)?

[riseagainst]

I love how OP says "Bogut (when healthy)" and lists Rose in the top 5, even though he hasn't played in over a year.
Meanwhile Kobe's not getting a pass for his health. :oldlol:

facking OP is a fakkit.

[code green]

Steph Curry is NOT a top 5 point guard, Jesus Christ.

[scm5]

Steph Curry is NOT a top 5 point guard, Jesus Christ.

1. CP3
2. Parker
3. Westbrook
4. Rose (benefit of the doubt even though he's still a question mark)
5. ??????????

To me, it's between Rondo and Curry. There really is no argument for Kyrie or Deron over Curry right now. Rondo is also kind of a question mark because he's coming back from a torn ACL and he's lost Pierce, KG, and Terry.

Even without those question marks, I think I would still take Curry over Rondo and I love Rondo.

[scm5]

Point Guard
1. Paul
2. Parker
3. Westbrook
4. Rose
5. Curry


Shooting Guard
1. Kobe
2. Wade
3. Harden
4. Iguodala
5. Ellis

Small Forward
1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Melo
4. George
5. Pierce


Power Forward
1. LMA
2. Bosh (If you consider Bosh a C, he would not be a Top 5 C and I would insert Lee on the PF list as #5)
3. Love
4. Griffin
5. Zbo

Center
1. Howard
2. Duncan
3. Gasol
4. Bynum
5. Horford

[Graviton]

People listing Deron as a Top 5 PG are delusional. He has done nothing but regress after leaving Sloan, always underperforms and disappears when it counts most. Lost to Bulls 3rd string bench warmers on his own home floor in Game 7. Has been garbage for 2 seasons now.

Wake the **** up people, this ain't 2010.

Top 5 PGs based on level of play, relevancy and recent results...

1) CP3
2) Westbrook
3) Parker
4) Curry
5) Conley

Rose and Rondo are question marks, Deron is in that Ty Lawson territory, Irving is still unproven and looked like shit post all star break, Wall is not there yet, Lilard neither.

[The JKidd Kid]

People listing Deron as a Top 5 PG are delusional. He has done nothing but regress after leaving Sloan, always underperforms and disappears when it counts most. Lost to Bulls 3rd string bench warmers on his own home floor in Game 7. Has been garbage for 2 seasons now.

Wake the **** up people, this ain't 2010.

Top 5 PGs based on level of play, relevancy and recent results...

1) CP3
2) Westbrook
3) Parker
4) Curry
5) Conley

Rose and Rondo are question marks, Deron is in that Ty Lawson territory, Irving is still unproven and looked like shit post all star break, Wall is not there yet, Lilard neither.

You just proved that you know nothing about Deron Williams. He has by no means regressed since leaving Sloan. Last year he averaged 21 and 9 and after he got his ankle treatment this season, he averaged 23 and 8, so stop with this regressing bullsh*t. Also, during that Bulls series, Deron was the only player that showed up every game and gave it his all, even the game where he shot bad, he still had 11 assists. And the fact that you mentioned game 7 further proves your ignorance. When they were down by 20, Deron was the one that willed them back. In the last minute of that game, he scored 5 points and refused to give up even when the rest of his team mates were sulking and jogging up the court.

No other PG in the LEAGUE has Derons combination of shooting, passing, defense, intelligence, size and athletecism.

Actually know about a player before criticizing them.

[code green]

I'd give the nod to Rondo at #5. If you want to use the knee as a question mark for Rose, that's fine...he relies on his athleticism to do a lot of things he does on the court. Personally, I think he'll come back fine and would still put him in my top 5. Rondo, on the other hand is more of a cerebral type of player. Sure, his athleticism plays a big part in his defense, but his court vision won't go away, neither will his ability to make plays for his teammates.

Curry is the best shooting point guard, no doubt. But there's a lot more to being a point guard then hitting long range shots.

[scm5]

I'd give the nod to Rondo at #5. If you want to use the knee as a question mark for Rose, that's fine...he relies on his athleticism to do a lot of things he does on the court. Personally, I think he'll come back fine and would still put him in my top 5. Rondo, on the other hand is more of a cerebral type of player. Sure, his athleticism plays a big part in his defense, but his court vision won't go away, neither will his ability to make plays for his teammates.

Curry is the best shooting point guard, no doubt. But there's a lot more to being a point guard then hitting long range shots.

I wonder how many games you've seen of Curry.

Curry is an excellent playmaker and passer. The only reason he doesn't average more assists is because he split a lot of time actually running the point with Jarret Jack.

In terms of rebounding, Rondo is definitely better, but Curry is no slouch either, averaging 4rpg.

Defensively, Rondo is a better defender, but Curry puts forth a lot of effort on defense. He's not a good man defender, but he never misses his defensive rotations and never slacks off.

I think it's just a "different strokes for different folks" kind of thing. In the modern NBA, teams don't just rely on the PG to run the point. San Antonio uses a lot of team ball movement. You've got swingmen capable of being playmakers. Curry is so versatile because he can not only get you 9-10 assists while being the primary ballhandler, he can play off the ball and give you just about the best spacing you could ask for from one player.

I am seriously not trying to be a Curry-stan, but as you can probably tell I'm a huge fan of his game and have watched him whenever possible. I am trying to be realistic, and I do think he has a definite argument over Rondo for the #5 spot (if you count Rose #4).

[Graviton]

You just proved that you know nothing about Deron Williams. He has by no means regressed since leaving Sloan. Last year he averaged 21 and 9 and after he got his ankle treatment this season, he averaged 23 and 8, so stop with this regressing bullsh*t. Also, during that Bulls series, Deron was the only player that showed up every game and gave it his all, even the game where he shot bad, he still had 11 assists. And the fact that you mentioned game 7 further proves your ignorance. When they were down by 20, Deron was the one that willed them back. In the last minute of that game, he scored 5 points and refused to give up even when the rest of his team mates were sulking and jogging up the court.

No other PG in the LEAGUE has Derons combination of shooting, passing, defense, intelligence, size and athletecism.

Actually know about a player before criticizing them.Nice and empty stats, and you threw in the word DEFENSE in there as well along with ignoring shooting percentages. Are you kidding me? One thing I do know about Deron is the fact he is one of the worst defenders at his position. Like a PG version of Harden, a total statue. Watching him in Olympics and last season made my eyes bleed. His positioning and lateral quickness is terrible.

You can keep defending him all you want, the results and the actual games show me he is garbage. But of course at times like this the injury excuses are always there.

[SpurrDurr]

Point Guard
1. Cp3
2. Parker
3. Westbrook
4. Curry
5. Irving

Rose will replace either Curry or Irving if he ll be healthy again.

Shooting Guard
1. Kobe
2. Wade
3. Harden
4. Iggy
5. J. Crawford

By far the weakest position, after Harden there is a huge gap.

Small Forward
1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. George
4. Melo
5. Leonard


Power Forward
1. Dirk
2. Horford
3. LMA
4. Love
5. Bosh

This one is really close, they are all almost at the same level except for Dirk. You could replace Bosh with Griffin.


Center
1. Duncan
2. Howard
3. M. Gasol
4. Noah
5. Hibbert

Bynum is cleary a top 5 Center but who knows if he ll ever be back good as before. Lopez and Pekovic could replace Hibbert.

[scm5]

You just proved that you know nothing about Deron Williams. He has by no means regressed since leaving Sloan. Last year he averaged 21 and 9 and after he got his ankle treatment this season, he averaged 23 and 8, so stop with this regressing bullsh*t. Also, during that Bulls series, Deron was the only player that showed up every game and gave it his all, even the game where he shot bad, he still had 11 assists. And the fact that you mentioned game 7 further proves your ignorance. When they were down by 20, Deron was the one that willed them back. In the last minute of that game, he scored 5 points and refused to give up even when the rest of his team mates were sulking and jogging up the court.

No other PG in the LEAGUE has Derons combination of shooting, passing, defense, intelligence, size and athletecism.

Actually know about a player before criticizing them.

For the most part, I agree with your assessment of Deron, no PG in the NBA right now can do all the things he can. I still don't see him taking the #5 spot over Curry or Rondo. They have simply been more effective than Deron.

To say he hasn't regressed at all is a little stretch though.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=willide01&p2=paulch01

You can kinda tell from his match ups with CP3. He used to make CP3 his bitch, now it's the other way around.

[tikay0]

PG
1 CP3
2 Parker
3 Curry
4 Irving
5 Conley

HM - Rose (#1/2 when healthy), Rondo (#4/5 when healthy)

SG

1 Wade
2 Harden
3 JR
4 Joe Johnson
5 Thompson

HM - Kobe (#1 when healthy)

SF

1 LeBron
2 KD
3 Melo
4 Rudy
5 Leonard

HM - Pierce

PF

1 Bosh
2 Aldridge
3 Griffin
4 Z Bo
5 Dirk

HM - P. Gasol, Love (#3 when healthy)

C

1 Duncan/Dwight
2 Dwight/Duncan
3 M. Gasol
4 DMC
5 Lopez

HM - Bynum (#2 when healthy), Noah

Edit - completely forgot about Duncan

Perfect list. :applause:

Edit: Where is Westbrook?

[The JKidd Kid]

Nice and empty stats, and you threw in the word DEFENSE in there as well along with ignoring shooting percentages. Are you kidding me? One thing I do know about Deron is the fact he is one of the worst defenders at his position. Like a PG version of Harden, a total statue. Watching him in Olympics and last season made my eyes bleed. His positioning and lateral quickness is terrible.

You can keep defending him all you want, the results and the actual games show me he is garbage. But of course at times like this the injury excuses are always there.

Deron holds opposing PGs to a PER of 13, on an AWFUL defensive team, not to mention that he can guard both guard positions. He shot poorly last year because he was the only offensive threat. After ankle treatment this season, he shot 48% from the field and 42% from 3, both which are above average at the PG position. How many games have you actually seen? The second he steps on the floor the Nets offense is 10 times better. Suddenly when he touches the floor, Lopez starts getting open dunks, Johnson starts getting open threes. He has a huge effect on the team.

Please actually watch games and look at stats instead of pulling stuff out of your ass.

[LosScandalous]

Point Guard
1. Cp3
2. Parker
3. Westbrook
4. Irving
5. Wall

Shooting Guard
1. Kobe
2. Harden
3. Wade
4. Crawford
5. Monta

Small Forward
1. Lebron
2. Carmelo
3. Durant
4. PG-13
5. Young if he plays alot of SF


Power Forward
1. J-Smoove
2. Dirk
3. Love
4. Pau Gasol
5. ZBO

Center
1. Marc Gasol
2. Ducnan
3. Bynum
4. Hibbert
5. Monroe

HM: Bogut, Kaman

Kyrie will propel in the top 5 without a doubt alongside a top 5 center (#1 when healthy and prime)

Kobe is no1 regardless

Melo will show off his offensive arsenel and have a better year than Durant.

Smoove finally gets to show his skills

[WolfGang]

PG
Westbrook
Parker
Cp3
Kyrie
That boi Jrue

SG
Kobe
James Harden
Dwyane Wade

SF
Lebron
Durant
Melo
George
Deng

PF
Tim Duncan
Randolf
Aldridge
Love
Dirk

C
Dwight
Marc
Noah
Brook
Chris Bosh...I mean Hibbert

[Graviton]

Deron holds opposing PGs to a PER of 13, on an AWFUL defensive team, not to mention that he can guard both guard positions. He shot poorly last year because he was the only offensive threat. After ankle treatment this season, he shot 48% from the field and 42% from 3, both which are above average at the PG position. How many games have you actually seen? The second he steps on the floor the Nets offense is 10 times better. Suddenly when he touches the floor, Lopez starts getting open dunks, Johnson starts getting open threes. He has a huge effect on the team.

Please actually watch games and look at stats instead of pulling stuff out of your ass.I admit his positive impact offensively but there is no way you can say he is a good defender. That aspect I have SEEN. He gets blown by way too easily. Bringing up opponent PER seriously that's your argument? I can pull up Deron's performance against elite teams with good PGs, I know for a fact he gets outplayed by other elite PGs quite often. Especially the athletic ones.

The issue with Deron is the fact he is not dominant, he can't just take over a game and destroy a quality team like Westbrook, Rose, Paul, Curry, Rondo or even Irving. His scoring just isn't as dynamic or consistent.

[The JKidd Kid]

I admit his positive impact offensively but there is no way you can say he is a good defender. That aspect I have SEEN. He gets blown by way too easily. Bringing up opponent PER seriously that's your argument? I can pull up Deron's performance against elite teams with good PGs, I know for a fact he gets outplayed by other elite PGs quite often. Especially the athletic ones.

The issue with Deron is the fact he is not dominant, he can't just take over a game and destroy a quality team like Westbrook, Rose, Paul, Curry, Rondo or even Irving. His scoring just isn't as dynamic or consistent.

Everything you said is wrong. You continue to prove to me that you did not watch him play once after he got healthy. You could maybe say this before that, but after the all star break, he was dominant, arguably the best PG in the NBA.

[scm5]

Deron holds opposing PGs to a PER of 13, on an AWFUL defensive team, not to mention that he can guard both guard positions. He shot poorly last year because he was the only offensive threat. After ankle treatment this season, he shot 48% from the field and 42% from 3, both which are above average at the PG position. How many games have you actually seen? The second he steps on the floor the Nets offense is 10 times better. Suddenly when he touches the floor, Lopez starts getting open dunks, Johnson starts getting open threes. He has a huge effect on the team.

Please actually watch games and look at stats instead of pulling stuff out of your ass.

I would just like to point out that the two best PG's in the East have been out this season with injuries. Rose and Rondo.

Deron's best competition was Kyrie and Wall. Second tier PG's he had to worry about were Holiday and Lawson.

Meanwhile, the best PG's in the West were healthy for pretty much the entire regular season.

Parker, Westbrook, Curry, Conley, and Lillard.

You still need to worry about Nash, Dragic, Vasquez, and Rubio somewhat too. The West has a much stronger pool of PG's.

[The JKidd Kid]

I would just like to point out that the two best PG's in the East have been out this season with injuries. Rose and Rondo.

Deron's best competition was Kyrie and Wall. Second tier PG's he had to worry about were Holiday and Lawson.

Meanwhile, the best PG's in the West were healthy for pretty much the entire regular season.

Parker, Westbrook, Curry, Conley, and Lillard.

You still need to worry about Nash, Dragic, Vasquez, and Rubio somewhat too. The West has a much stronger pool of PG's.

Deron is better than both of them. He's a better shooter, passer and defender than Rose and he's a better shooter, scorer, less turnover prone and statistically a better defender than Rondo.

[Graviton]

Deron against teams with good PGs last year...

17/8/3 on 38% vs Boston
19/3/2 on 38% vs Denver
16/8/4 on 35% vs GSW
14/8/2 on 34% vs Clippers
11/2/2 on 36% vs SA

Best PG in NBA. :bowdown:

[The JKidd Kid]

Deron against teams with good PGs last year...

17/8/3 on 38% vs Boston
19/3/2 on 38% vs Denver
16/8/4 on 35% vs GSW
14/8/2 on 34% vs Clippers
11/2/2 on 36% vs SA

Best PG in NBA. :bowdown:

Nice job cherry picking games as a last resort effort to make an argument.

[Graviton]

Nice job cherry picking games as a last resort effort to make an argument.
Nice counter argument. I like the statistical proof. :oldlol:

Although he did play well vs OKC, Memphis, Washington, Philly and Cleveland. But his numbers against top defensive teams and above .500 teams are terrible. Brooklyn and Deron last year were basically feeding on scrub teams then getting owned by the real squads. You basically claiming he is the best PG is just absurd.

[The JKidd Kid]

Nice counter argument. I like the statistical proof. :oldlol:

Although he did play well vs OKC, Memphis, Washington, Philly and Cleveland. But his numbers against top defensive teams and above .500 teams are terrible. Brooklyn and Deron last year were basically feeding on scrub teams then getting owned by the real squads. You basically claiming he is the best PG is just absurd.

I was saying that after treatment, he was arguably the best PG in the league. If

Plays bad against top defensive teams?
Most Recent Games against top 5 defenses:

Against Pacers: 33 and 14 on 44% and 50% from 3
Against Bulls: 30 and 10 on 56% and 50 % from 3

Against Bulls in the playoffs: 20.6 and 8.4 on 43% and 40% from 3.

But yea he under-performs against good defensive teams. :facepalm

[KobesFinger]

Perfect list. :applause:

Edit: Where is Westbrook?

I had him #2 then remembered he's injured so I took him out and forgot to put him in HM

[Graviton]

I was saying that after treatment, he was arguably the best PG in the league. If

Plays bad against top defensive teams?
Most Recent Games against top 5 defenses:

Against Pacers: 33 and 14 on 44% and 50% from 3
Against Bulls: 30 and 10 on 56% and 50 % from 3

Against Bulls in the playoffs: 20.6 and 8.4 on 43% and 40% from 3.

But yea he under-performs against good defensive teams. :facepalm
Why do you bump UP all his numbers even when they are closer to rounding down? :roll:

So 20/8 on 42% against bench warmers like Nate and Bellineli is best PG in NBA stuff? Losing to a crippled team with 2 of their best players missing is how the best PG takes care of business? Wonder what excuses you gonna have when Deron disappears in playoffs again this season. :bowdown:

[The JKidd Kid]

Why do you bump UP all his numbers even when they are closer to rounding down? :roll:

So 20/8 on 42% against bench warmers like Nate and Bellineli is best PG in NBA stuff? Losing to a crippled team with 2 of their best players missing is how the best PG takes care of business? Wonder what excuses you gonna have when Deron disappears in playoffs again this season. :bowdown:

You call that disappearing while your rank Conley above him, who was worse in EVERY stat. Or Parker and Paul who both played either equal to or worse than him in the playoffs?

Youre acting like he wasnt being guarded by JIMMY BUTLER for the entire series, while the Bulls double teamed him every other play because Reggie Evans and Gerald Wallace offered no offensive spacing or scoring threats?

Also, hes never disappeared in the playoffs, he has a playoff average of 21 and 9, and he put up 20 and 8 against one of the best defensive teams in the league and with an injured Joe Johnson, Reggie Evans and Gerald Wallace clogging the paint. If 20 and 8 is disappearing, than Conley and Parker must have never existed.

Youre just a hater thats running out of arguments.

[Graviton]

You call that disappearing while your rank Conley above him, who was worse in EVERY stat. Or Parker and Paul who both played either equal to or worse than him in the playoffs?

Youre acting like he wasnt being guarded by JIMMY BUTLER for the entire series, while the Bulls double teamed him every other play because Reggie Evans and Gerald Wallace offered no offensive spacing or scoring threats?

Also, hes never disappeared in the playoffs, he has a playoff average of 21 and 9, and he put up 20 and 8 against one of the best defensive teams in the league and with an injured Joe Johnson, Reggie Evans and Gerald Wallace clogging the paint. If 20 and 8 is disappearing, than Conley and Parker must have never existed.

Youre just a hater thats running out of arguments.
And according to you he is an amazing defender that can guard both positions but somehow Nate Robinson and Marco Bellineli went off against him. Best PG in NBA getting outplayed by bench warmers. :oldlol:

Paul played much better than him against a better HEALTHY team. Parker was better in 1st 3 rounds too. Putting up 20 points on 42% against NATE ROBINSON is a disgrace. Keep making excuses, blaming teammates and injuries as if Bulls were not missing half their roster. :oldlol:

You are just a stan running out of excuses and scapegoats.

[The JKidd Kid]

And according to you he is an amazing defender that can guard both positions but somehow Nate Robinson and Marco Bellineli went off against him. Best PG in NBA getting outplayed by bench warmers. :oldlol:

Paul played much better than him against a better HEALTHY team. Parker was better in 1st 3 rounds too. Putting up 20 points on 42% against NATE ROBINSON is a disgrace. Keep making excuses, blaming teammates and injuries as if Bulls were not missing half their roster. :oldlol:

You are just a stan running out of excuses and scapegoats.

Its funny how you completely ignore the fact that the Bulls had Robinson guarding the non-offensive threat Gerald Wallace, while Deron had one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA who is 4 inches taller than him in Jimmy Butler guarding him, on top of the Bulls already suffocating defense and the lack of spacing from Reggie Evans and Gerald Wallace.

Youre grasping at straws here.

[Graviton]

Its funny how you completely ignore the fact that the Bulls had Robinson guarding the non-offensive threat Gerald Wallace, while Deron had one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA who is 4 inches taller than him in Jimmy Butler guarding him, on top of the Bulls already suffocating defense and the lack of spacing from Reggie Evans and Gerald Wallace.

Youre grasping at straws here.
And who was Deron the defensive master guarding? Nate or Bellinel? Butler covered JJ more than Deron.

Yea I am grasping at the 1st round exit by the best PG against bench warmers. When he had an all star Top 5 Center and a Top 5 SG. :roll:

But...but...but a near rookie Jimmy Butler was too much. :lol

[The JKidd Kid]

And who was Deron the defensive master guarding? Nate or Bellinel? Butler covered JJ more than Deron.

Yea I am grasping at the 1st round exit by the best PG against bench warmers. When he had an all star Top 5 Center and a Top 5 SG. :roll:

But...but...but a near rookie Jimmy Butler was too much. :lol

Jimmy Butler is one of the best defenders in the league and Deron dropped 20 and 8 on him. And Butler covered Deron whenever Hinrich wasnt, which was more than he guarded JJ, stop pretending like you actually watched games. JJ was a complete non-factor in the series, Deron was either being guarded by the 6'8 Butler or Hinrich who is a top 5 defender at the PG position. Brook was getting dominated by Noah down low and JJ was an injured non-factor, yet Deron still lead the playoffs in assists with a soft, inconsistent first option and an injured second option.

Also, Nate Robinson averaged 17 and 3.6, even when you factor in his unbeleivable game 4 eruption. Nate Robinson is a great scorer, theres no denying that.

How about Parker averaging 14 points against Mario Chalmers, or Conley shooting below 40% while being guarded by TONY PARKER, but no, you criticize Derons 20 and 8 against one of the best defensive teams in the league and being guarded by a great defender who has 4 inches on him.

The hate is ridiculous. :facepalm

[Graviton]

Jimmy Butler is one of the best defenders in the league and Deron dropped 20 and 8 on him. And Butler covered Deron whenever Hinrich wasnt, which was more than he guarded JJ, stop pretending like you actually watched games. JJ was a complete non-factor in the series, Deron was either being guarded by the 6'8 Butler or Hinrich who is a top 5 defender at the PG position. Brook was getting dominated by Noah down low and JJ was an injured non-factor, yet Deron still lead the playoffs in assists with a soft, inconsistent first option and an injured second option.

Also, Nate Robinson averaged 17 and 3.6, even when you factor in his unbeleivable game 4 eruption. Nate Robinson is a great scorer, theres no denying that.

How about Parker averaging 14 points against Mario Chalmers, or Conley shooting below 40% while being guarded by TONY PARKER, but no, you criticize Derons 20 and 8 against one of the best defensive teams in the league and being guarded by a great defender who has 4 inches on him.

The hate is ridiculous. :facepalm
Lol I was just ****ing with you. But cmon not like Deron wouldn't struggle vs Lebron with a hamstring injury. Guess Deron can be in that 5th spot instead of Conley. But no way is he better than Paul, Westbrook or Curry. Those 3 were beasting post all-star break too.

My hate for him stems from his attitude and play in 1st half. In retrospect he seems better. But I have no idea how you argue for his defense. I payed attention to that for sure and he is a statue. You honestly haven't seen it? Very Harden esque matador stance and reflexes.

[The JKidd Kid]

Lol I was just ****ing with you. But cmon not like Deron wouldn't struggle vs Lebron with a hamstring injury. Guess Deron can be in that 5th spot instead of Conley. But no way is he better than Paul, Westbrook or Curry. Those 3 were beasting post all-star break too.

My hate for him stems from his attitude and play in 1st half. In retrospect he seems better. But I have no idea how you argue for his defense. I payed attention to that for sure and he is a statue. You honestly haven't seen it? Very Harden esque matador stance and reflexes.

When I saw him play D, I saw one of the few PGs that was strong enough to fight over good screens, a player that didnt give up an ground when opposing SGs tried to post him up, a player that used his height and lift to make great contests when the opponent was shooting. Hes by no means a bad defender like Curry, Irving, Parker, etc. He did get blown by a decent amount, but thats not all that defense is about, and even when he did get blown by, he was still tall enough and athletic enough to contest a shot. There are a lot of aspects of defense.

Also, his attitude problems were incredibly overblown. Seriously, you should listen to his interview about Avery Johnson's offense. He was just saying that he was adjusting, but the Knicks dominated media took the story and ran with it. Even his argument with Sloan was overblown, because Sloan was the agressor, not Deron. Other than those two overblown instances, you'll never find any actual evidence about him having a bad attitude.

I'll give you Paul and Westbrook, but Deron is better than Curry at every aspect of the game except shooting, and even with shooting hes pretty damn close.

[Graviton]

When I saw him play D, I saw one of the few PGs that was strong enough to fight over good screens, a player that didnt give up an ground when opposing SGs tried to post him up, a player that used his height and lift to make great contests when the opponent was shooting. Hes by no means a bad defender like Curry, Irving, Parker, etc. He did get blown by a decent amount, but thats not all that defense is about, and even when he did get blown by, he was still tall enough and athletic enough to contest a shot. There are a lot of aspects of defense.

Also, his attitude problems were incredibly overblown. Seriously, you should listen to his interview about Avery Johnson's offense. He was just saying that he was adjusting, but the Knicks dominated media took the story and ran with it. Even his argument with Sloan was overblown, because Sloan was the agressor, not Deron. Other than those two overblown instances, you'll never find any actual evidence about him having a bad attitude.

I'll give you Paul and Westbrook, but Deron is better than Curry at every aspect of the game except shooting, and even with shooting hes pretty damn close.I think Curry overtook him based on playoff performence, not like his passing is that far behind either. Curry has beautiful bounce and needle passes.

Healthy Rose is also above him, idk why Rose gets a bad rep as a defender when in fact he is an elite man to man defender. He is too strong for any PG to handle and great at stopping penetration. Deron usually posts up and bullies other PGs but cant do it vs him. There is a reasoon why Rose outplayed every PG in 2011 and it wasn't just his offense. In 2011 he lead PGs in blocks and most major defensive stats. Without him opposing PGs really started hurting the Bulls. People forget how good he was, he used to get double/triple teamed at halfcourt teams were so scared.

[TheGreatDeraj]

lol'd at OP including each of his team of the weeks starting 5 as top 5 for each position.

Here is the REAL

top 5 for the 2013-14 season.

Point Guard:
1) CP3
2) Westbrook
3) Rose
4) Parker
5) Williams

Westbrook over rose due to injury and while Rose is better at running the offense he got shutdown against Miami whereas Westbrook has shown he can score over anyone even if he makes a few mistakes.

Hon mention: Rondo, Curry, Irving, Wall, Lillard - so many good pgs nowadays

SG:
1) Kobe
2) Wade
3) Harden
4) George
5) Johnson

Kobe coming back with a vengence, Wade can still get it done on the biggest stage just not as often due to health and having Lebron on his team. Harden a beast but playoff defense gives him trouble.

Hon mention: Ellis, Thompson, waiters, beal - which one of these young guys gonna make the jump

SF:
1) Lebron
2) Durant
3) Kobe
4) Melo
5) George

Top 2 self explanatory. I think Kobe is going to play 3 more this season. Melo is one of the best scorers in the league and George can defend like crazy and has improved his offense by leaps and bounds.

HM: Iggy, Deng, Kirilenko - which one can step up and bring there team to title contender.

PF:
1) Dirk
2) Lebron
3) Pau
4) Bosh
5) Aldridge

Dirk is still the best, but Lebron plays damn well at PF. Pau can still get it done. Bosh role is smaller but he can still score and his defense is better than it was in Toronto

HM: KG, Love, Griffin, Horford

Center:
1) Howard
2) Pau
3) Marc
4) Hibbert
5) Duncan

Howard is the best. Pau is still better than his brother although not by too much. Hibbert proved he can play and Duncan is still getting it done.

HM: Bynum, Horford, Noah, Lopez

[Haks]

Im asuming all players are fully fit so....
Point Guards:
1.Chris Paul
2.Westbrook
3.Rondo
4.Rose
5.Curry

Shooting guards:
1.Kobe
2.Harden
3.Wade
4.Jr Smith
5.Ellis

Small Forwards:
1.Lebron
2.Durant
3.Melo
4.George
5.Deng

Power Forwards:
1.Bosh
2.Aldridge
3.Blake Griffin
4.Dirk
5.Z-Bo

Centre:
1.Tim Duncan
2.Dwight Howard
3.Noah
4.Lopez
5.Noah

[JTatStarranch]

First of all Deng isn't even better than Jimmy Butler at this point in his career.



Duncan
Howard
P. Gasol yes, I think he's still better than his bro.
M. Gasol
K. Garnett He's a center now.


Nowitzki
Randolph
West
Lee
Aldridge


James
Durant
George
Leonard
J. Butler


Wade
Harden
Bryant
T. Allen
Ginobili



Paul
Westbrook
Parker
Curry
Irving

[Mr Know It All]

lol'd at OP including each of his team of the weeks starting 5 as top 5 for each position.

Here is the REAL

top 5 for the 2013-14 season.

Point Guard:
1) CP3
2) Westbrook
3) Rose
4) Parker
5) Williams

Westbrook over rose due to injury and while Rose is better at running the offense he got shutdown against Miami whereas Westbrook has shown he can score over anyone even if he makes a few mistakes.

Hon mention: Rondo, Curry, Irving, Wall, Lillard - so many good pgs nowadays

SG:
1) Kobe
2) Wade
3) Harden
4) George
5) Johnson

Kobe coming back with a vengence, Wade can still get it done on the biggest stage just not as often due to health and having Lebron on his team. Harden a beast but playoff defense gives him trouble.

Hon mention: Ellis, Thompson, waiters, beal - which one of these young guys gonna make the jump

SF:
1) Lebron
2) Durant
3) Kobe
4) Melo
5) George

Top 2 self explanatory. I think Kobe is going to play 3 more this season. Melo is one of the best scorers in the league and George can defend like crazy and has improved his offense by leaps and bounds.

HM: Iggy, Deng, Kirilenko - which one can step up and bring there team to title contender.

PF:
1) Dirk
2) Lebron
3) Pau
4) Bosh
5) Aldridge

Dirk is still the best, but Lebron plays damn well at PF. Pau can still get it done. Bosh role is smaller but he can still score and his defense is better than it was in Toronto

HM: KG, Love, Griffin, Horford

Center:
1) Howard
2) Pau
3) Marc
4) Hibbert
5) Duncan

Howard is the best. Pau is still better than his brother although not by too much. Hibbert proved he can play and Duncan is still getting it done.

HM: Bynum, Horford, Noah, Lopez

Second this list. Might put Wade ahead of Kobe at SG and Marc ahead of Pau at the center spot but other than that it's perfect.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

assuming at full health:

C - Dwight Howard, Marc Gasol, Joakim Noah, Roy Hibbert, Andrew Bynum
PF - LaMarcus Aldridge, Al Horford, Kevin Love, Greg Monroe, David Lee
SF - LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Paul George, Kawhi Leonard
SG - Kobe Bryant, James Harden, Dwayne Wade, Andre Iguodala, JR Smith
PG - Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook

[The JKidd Kid]

I think Curry overtook him based on playoff performence, not like his passing is that far behind either. Curry has beautiful bounce and needle passes.

Healthy Rose is also above him, idk why Rose gets a bad rep as a defender when in fact he is an elite man to man defender. He is too strong for any PG to handle and great at stopping penetration. Deron usually posts up and bullies other PGs but cant do it vs him. There is a reasoon why Rose outplayed every PG in 2011 and it wasn't just his offense. In 2011 he lead PGs in blocks and most major defensive stats. Without him opposing PGs really started hurting the Bulls. People forget how good he was, he used to get double/triple teamed at halfcourt teams were so scared.

Deron is head and shoulders above Curry on defense, he's much more athletic, he's a better finisher at the rim and he is an overall smarter player. Deron is still a better passer than Curry, especially pocket passes and drop offs in the pick and roll, in which Deron is in a class of his own. Also, Deron is much better making decisions and passes on the break. Curry Just got hot at the end of the Denver series and people started overrating him.

Rose actually has an argument, but I would still take Deron over him. Rose was actually a very BAD defender, when Rose was on the floor, the Bulls allowed 5 points more than when Watson was on the floor. However, when Watson was inserted for Deron, the Nets allowed more points. Also, players that played against the Nets generally played well, except for PGs, who averaged a 13 PER when Deron was healthy. Along with this, Deron is also a better passer, MUCH better shooter, a better decision maker and has tighter handles.

Like I said before, most PGs are great at something and then have another glaring flaw in their game (Rondo, Kyrie, Curry, Rose) while Deron is great at almost every aspect of the game and even the things he's not great at, he is average at, something that the previously mentioned players can't claim.

[Haks]

Deron is head and shoulders above Curry on defense, he's much more athletic, he's a better finisher at the rim and he is an overall smarter player. Deron is still a better passer than Curry, especially pocket passes and drop offs in the pick and roll, in which Deron is in a class of his own. Also, Deron is much better making decisions and passes on the break. Curry Just got hot at the end of the Denver series and people started overrating him.

Rose actually has an argument, but I would still take Deron over him. Rose was actually a very BAD defender, when Rose was on the floor, the Bulls allowed 5 points more than when Watson was on the floor. However, when Watson was inserted for Deron, the Nets allowed more points. Also, players that played against the Nets generally played well, except for PGs, who averaged a 13 PER when Deron was healthy. Along with this, Deron is also a better passer, MUCH better shooter, a better decision maker and has tighter handles.

Like I said before, most PGs are great at something and then have another glaring flaw in their game (Rondo, Kyrie, Curry, Rose) while Deron is great at almost every aspect of the game and even the things he's not great at, he is average at, something that the previously mentioned players can't claim.
LMAO heads and shoulders lol. I agree Deron is a better passer than curry and defence at the point guard position is a silly debate. Curry didnt get 'hot' against the nuggets he had a great overall season.He averaged 22 and 7 on 45% shooting from both 3 and 2. Deron isnt a top 5 PG anymore and hasnt been for 2 yrs now. Also Curry lead the post season in assists with 8/9 APG so he isnt just a shooter

[SmackOrH.A.K]

PG
1. CP3
2. Westbrook
3. Parker
4. Curry
5. Irving

SG
1. Harden
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4. JR Smith
5. Mayo

SF
1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Melo
4. George
5. Pierce

PF
1. Love
2. Randolph
3. Aldridge
4. Bosh
5. Griffin

C
1. Tim Duncan
2. Dwight Howard
3. Noah
4. Pau
5. Marc

I didn't know to put George at SG or SF

I think Dwight Howard is better than Duncan but I had to rank him above because how he played in the playoffs and Dwight wasnt healthy last year.

I put Pau at center because he will likely play lots center with the Lakers this year, even with Kaman

I'm pretty sure I'm missing someone at SG cuz I felt weird putting Mayo and Smith

[SmackOrH.A.K]

Isn't it crazy how arguably the best PF in the game right now has been in the NBA for 5 years and not been in the playoffs.

[The JKidd Kid]

LMAO heads and shoulders lol. I agree Deron is a better passer than curry and defence at the point guard position is a silly debate. Curry didnt get 'hot' against the nuggets he had a great overall season.He averaged 22 and 7 on 45% shooting from both 3 and 2. Deron isnt a top 5 PG anymore and hasnt been for 2 yrs now. Also Curry lead the post season in assists with 8/9 APG so he isnt just a shooter

He did have a great season and I'm not discrediting him, I'm saying that people began to overrate him after he got hot in the playoffs. Also, Deron is easily the most versatile player at the PG position and is easily a top 5 PG. The only reason his place is even being questioned is because of his injured play at the beginning of the season. And yes, Deron is head and shoulders above Curry on defense.