Who Ya Got: Westbrook Or Healthy Rose

[SilkkTheShocker]

Which one would you rather build around?

[mugiwara]

Rose. their pasts in education are seemingly mixed up judging on court decision making.

[Remix]

rose easily, even though this is a troll thread

[christian1923]

Rose. Just as athletic and skilled but he's a smarter player.

[Kurosawa0]

Derrick Rose has been horribly underrated over the past year. If he hadn't been hurt, I think you could seriously argue for him over Durant as the second best player in basketball.

[scm5]

See, I actually like Rose and dislike Westbrook in terms of player personalities.

I would still choose Westbrook over Rose because they're pretty close offensively, with Rose taking the edge. Westbrook is actually a beast defensively and I think that edges him over Rose in terms of a player.

I do think Rose is a better leader though, so I would choose him overall. But as a player, I think Westbrook might have the edge.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Westbrook as a first option can score just as good as Rose.

If you look at the way OKC is designed it's not built around Westbrook at all.
Give Swagbrook 2 athletic bigs who can run the floor and floor spacing shooters and I just can't imagine the stats he would put up. Plus Westbrook plays much better D than D rose.

I would take Derrick Rose in the 4th quarter though
said no one ever

[SpurrDurr]

Rose.

[SilkkTheShocker]

rose easily, even though this is a troll thread

Not a troll thread. I left my opinion out of the OP in case you didn't notice. Im not a fan of either player's style. Was curious to see what others thought. I know there is a strong WB fanbase on here also.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Westbrook as a first option can score just as good as Rose.

If you look at the way OKC is designed it's not built around Westbrook at all.
Give Swagbrook 2 athletic bigs who can run the floor and floor spacing shooters and I just can't imagine the stats he would put up. Plus Westbrook plays much better D than D rose.

I would take Derrick Rose in the 4th quarter though
said no one ever

:applause:

I know for sure Westbrook wouldn't shoot 6% in the 4th.

[scm5]

Derrick Rose has been horribly underrated over the past year. If he hadn't been hurt, I think you could seriously argue for him over Durant as the second best player in basketball.

No, you actually couldn't.

Rose' best year: (MVP season)
25/4/8 on 55%TS 1spg .6bpg 3.4TO/gm

Durant last season:
28/8/5 on 65% TS 1.4spg 1.3bpg 3.5TO/gm
post season:
31/9/6 on 57% TS 1.3spg 1.0bpg 3.9TO/gm

It's not even the slightest bit close.

[imdaman99]

Id take westbrook because of his ability to be the yin to durants yang. he would do anything to win a game, even berate a scrub on his own team. he would play till his leg falls off, not sure you can say the same about rose. oh, a healthy rose? :oldlol: id still take westbrook cuz of that D.

[Kurosawa0]

No, you actually couldn't.

Rose' best year: (MVP season)
25/4/8 on 55%TS 1spg .6bpg 3.4TO/gm

Durant last season:
28/8/5 on 65% TS 1.4spg 1.3bpg 3.5TO/gm
post season:
31/9/6 on 57% TS 1.3spg 1.0bpg 3.9TO/gm

It's not even the slightest bit close.

You ever watch the games?

[mugiwara]

Westbrook as a first option can score just as good as Rose.

If you look at the way OKC is designed it's not built around Westbrook at all.
Give Swagbrook 2 athletic bigs who can run the floor and floor spacing shooters and I just can't imagine the stats he would put up. Plus Westbrook plays much better D than D rose.

I would take Derrick Rose in the 4th quarter though
said no one ever

you have no clue

[SilkkTheShocker]

Personally, im not a fan of low IQ players that rely a ton on athleticism. However, what separates the two is that Westbrook has a pair of balls. He is arguably more important than Durant on the Thunder imo. Rose imo is the most mentally weak superstar in NBA history.

[Dionysus]

Rose. Just as athletic and skilled but he's a smarter player.

:oldlol: @ using Smart and Derrick Rose in the same sentence. This sentence is along the lines of:

Using Whoopi Goldberg and sexy in the same sentence.
Using Jason Collins and straight in the same sentence.
Using healthy and Rose in the same sentence.
Using championship and Knicks in the same sentence.
Using Raymond Felton and skinny in the same sentence.
Using Ty Lawson and tall in the same sentence.

You get the point.:lol


Give me Westbrook if I have to select one from the short bus.

[K Xerxes]

Rose is basically Westbrook with higher bball IQ and more sound decision making, so I take Rose...

[SilkkTheShocker]

Id take westbrook because of his ability to be the yin to durants yang. he would do anything to win a game, even berate a scrub on his own team. he would play till his leg falls off, not sure you can say the same about rose. oh, a healthy rose? :oldlol: id still take westbrook cuz of that D.

His defense is good for a PG. But its really nothing special. The only PG that really plays nasty perimeter defense is Jrue Holiday.

[salwan]

Id still take Rose, but the gap is getting narrower.

Westbrook has made great strides in his development in the past 2 years.

[NumberSix]

If Rose is smart, who the fcuk isn't?

[Solefade]

Westbrook can do everything Rose can. You switch Rose and WB from their respective teams and WB would probably have the same production as Rose did. Plus he's a lot more durable it seems and plays better defense.

[Solefade]

His defense is good for a PG. But its really nothing special. The only PG that really plays nasty perimeter defense is Jrue Holiday.

Conley's pretty decent.

[tikay0]

LMAO @ people saying Westbrook is the better defender.

Westbrook:

Overall PPP: .90 (16)

Isolation PPP: .83 (17)

Opp FG Percentage: 42.3% (20)

Percent Scored: 41.7% (25)

Help Rating: -.07

Rose:

Overall PPP: .78 (1)

Isolation PPP: .64 (1)

Opp FG Percentage: 37.9% (2)

Percent Scored: 36.1% (2)

Help Rating: -.14

"Some will argue that it's because he's on such a great defensive team.

However there are several things inconsistent with that argument. First, he was the primary defender on 1,118 plays, that's more than all but three point guards in the NBA. That's not suggestive of the beneficiary of a lot of help defense.

Second, his defensive numbers are generally better than CJ Watson, Keith Bogans or Ronnie Brewer, the other guards on the Bulls. This is in spite of the fact that Rose often would cover the superior offensive threat defensively, particularly when the game was on the line."


"What happens when Derrick Rose plays through defense is that he's very good at fighting through picks, he is tremendous at coming out and challenging jump shots, and he is very hard to get around."

[tikay0]

seems and plays better defense.

keyword, SEEMS.

[nathanjizzle]

troll thread failed.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Conley's pretty decent.

True that. I forgot about Conley. Rondo can play tight also, but he kind of coasts a lot. I thought Brandon Knight would come in the league to be one of the better PG defenders but its not looking good so far

[SilkkTheShocker]

troll thread failed.

Not a troll thread, but the thread is almost on its 3rd page. :lol

[Bigsmoke]

Derrick Rose

-better in the fast break
-finisher
-scorer
-passer
-much better handles

[tikay0]

Derrick Rose

-better in the fast break
-finisher
-scorer
-passer
-much better handles

better man to man defender, more disciplined, and doesn't gamble on defense.

Who else remember the series against the Spurs, and Westbrook left Parker wide open in the last few seconds of the game.

It completely exposed how little he understands opposing defenses. It truly exposed him that night.

[Solefade]

Rose is basically Westbrook with higher bball IQ and more sound decision making, so I take Rose...

I feel like this is a myth or at least not confirmed for sure. They're asked to do things differently on their own respective teams i.e. Westbrook is asked to push the ball a lot harder and be super aggressive so naturally he'll have more TOs. While Rose carries his team, he still plays within the boundaries Thibs system. Also Thibs shits on Brooks all day in terms of coaching.

[Solefade]

Derrick Rose

-better in the fast break
-finisher
-scorer
-passer
-much better handles


Better in fast break, finisher, passer, handles? That's all debatable...Yeah, Rose is probably a better scorer because he's the man on his team but WB is bigger, stronger, and has a post game.

[Bigsmoke]

Better in fast break, finisher, passer, handles? That's all debatable...Yeah, Rose is probably a better scorer because he's the man on his team but WB is bigger, stronger, and has a post game.
their handles ARE NOT on the same level... at all

Westbrook's handles are hella averaged for an all star PG.

[tikay0]

Better in fast break, finisher, passer, handles? That's all debatable...Yeah, Rose is probably a better scorer because he's the man on his team but WB is bigger, stronger, and has a post game.

He's not stronger at all, and what post game? He speeds up the court and shoots jumpers with 20 second left on the clock for goodness sake.

A few thunderous dunks = stronger to you? Rose is the much better player, playing through contact. Not even debatable.

P4P, other than Nate Robinson, I think Rose is the strongest player in the league.

[tikay0]

their handles ARE NOT on the same level... at all

Westbrook's handles are hella averaged for an all star PG.

Exactly this. Westbrook has handles? :confusedshrug:

Can you please show a video with these exceptional handles?

Westbrook is like Lebron in the handles category. Rose is like Kobe.

You can't compare a stiff athlete to an athlete that uses poetry in motion cheat codes.

[tikay0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHpyWznr-ZM

Compared to this.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlXvJptYA_Y


Not even debatable.

[tikay0]

You guys are also forgetting the amount of spacing Westbrook gets compared to Rose.

[tpols]

Derrick rose should be healthier than westbrook.. He has had twice the time to heal from the same injury.

But I think westbrook will still come back stronger

[Fudge]

1. Russell Westbrook









2. Derrick Rose

[tikay0]

Derrick rose should be healthier than westbrook.. He has had twice the time to heal from the same injury.

But I think westbrook will still come back stronger

Obivously. Complete ACL tear with partial MCL tear compared to mild MCL.

[Young X]

Westbrook and Rose are basically equals, they're production, and impact are the exact same. Westbrook is a better all-around player, but Rose is smarter and a slightly better offensive player. I might take Rose because I trust his decision making more, but other than media hype they've been the exact same since 2011.

[Solefade]

He's not stronger at all, and what post game? He speeds up the court and shoots jumpers with 20 second left on the clock for goodness sake.

A few thunderous dunks = stronger to you? Rose is the much better player, playing through contact. Not even debatable.

P4P, other than Nate Robinson, I think Rose is the strongest player in the league.


Lol you probably don't watch enough Westbrook, dude has been posting up since like 2008 or 2009 (He wasn't very good at it then but he's decent now) and don't tell me you've been following if you just watch YouTube clips of him. He pounds on anyone that's smaller than him.

Everyone overrates Rose like a mofo on this forum.

[tpols]

Obivously. Complete ACL tear with partial MCL tear compared to mild MCL.
Alright than westbrook will be better than him again like he has been the past two years

[SillyRabbit]

Westbrook can do everything Rose can. You switch Rose and WB from their respective teams and WB would probably have the same production as Rose did. Plus he's a lot more durable it seems and plays better defense.

This.

I'd take Westbrook.

[Jameerthefear]

Rose.

[tikay0]

Alright than westbrook will be better than him again like he has been the past two years

:oldlol: We'll see.

[tikay0]

Lol you probably don't watch enough Westbrook, dude has been posting up since like 2008 or 2009 (He wasn't very good at it then but he's decent now) and don't tell me you've been following if you just watch YouTube clips of him. He pounds on anyone that's smaller than him.

Everyone overrates Rose like a mofo on this forum.

I've watched a bunch of Thunder games. Westbrook is not good in the post at all. He does an initial post up, then he quits that, and faces up again, and out quicks his defender. That's not a post game.

Derrick pounds on anyone smaller than him as well. What's your point?

Rose exhibits a craft, artistry and nuance to his game that Westbrook wishes he had.

[SilkkTheShocker]

If you replaced healthy Rose with WB, I honestly think they get better. There is no way LeBron hold WB to only 6% shooting.

[tikay0]

Either way, I'm done with this thread. I've already helped Silkk out enough with the amount of pages he's getting.

Just had to clarify why Rose is indeed better than Westbrook.

Eeeew, I'm actually participating in a Silkk thread. I need to take a shower.

[NumberSix]

Either way, I'm done with this thread. I've already helped Silkk out enough with the amount of pages he's getting.

Just had to clarify why Rose is indeed better than Westbrook.

Eeeew, I'm actually participating in a Silkk thread. I need to take a shower.
Nobody outside of idiot bulls homers thinks so.

[All Net]

Westbrook for now.. Let's see what rose can do.

[Solefade]

If you replaced healthy Rose with WB, I honestly think they get better. There is no way LeBron hold WB to only 6% shooting.


This is what I always say, but not much better. However, they would be much more intimidating with WB at PG at least size and defensively.

[Budadiiii]

Westbrook and it's not even close.

You'd have to be a ****ing idiot to choose Derrick Rose over Russell Westbrook. Rose was/is in the best position as a PG. Look how the Bulls competed without him in the playoffs, and look how the Thunder competed.

It's obvious Russell is more important to his team.

We know for a FACT that Russell is mentally stronger. We know for a FACT Russell would do anything to win. We know for a FACT that Russell wouldn't sit out in the playoffs because he's not "100%" ...

Anyone who witnessed last season, yet still justifies choosing Rose, is mentally unstable and automatically cannot be taken seriously in any aspect of life.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Rose. Just as athletic and skilled but he's a smarter player.
More coachable too ... No personality disorders either.

[NumberSix]

More coachable too ... No personality disorders either.
Except his phobia of basketball games. That might be a problem.

[MisterAmazing]

Westbrook and it's not even close.

You'd have to be a ****ing idiot to choose Derrick Rose over Russell Westbrook. Rose was/is in the best position as a PG. Look how the Bulls competed without him in the playoffs, and look how the Thunder competed.

It's obvious Russell is more important to his team.

We know for a FACT that Russell is mentally stronger. We know for a FACT Russell would do anything to win. We know for a FACT that Russell wouldn't sit out in the playoffs because he's not "100%" ...

Anyone who witnessed last season, yet still justifies choosing Rose, is mentally unstable and automatically cannot be taken seriously in any aspect of life.

can't believe i actually agree with this

[Solefade]

More coachable too ... No personality disorders either.

Just like Mike Brown, everyone shits on Scotty Brooks. I doubt WB would get away with the same attitude with Thibs.

[Dionysus]

Nobody outside of idiot bulls homers thinks so.

:oldlol: Truth.

[Solefade]

Except his phobia of basketball games. That might be a problem.


:yaohappy:

[DaSeba5]

I'd say Westbrook.

[Legends66NBA7]

Healthy Derrick Rose has the hardware and the one seems much more coach able at times. I'm going with him, although it is very close.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Except his phobia of basketball games. That might be a problem.
You mean phobia of performing up to MVP level expectations after a career altering injury? Makes sense in my book. Take your time and don't jeopardize your career or future.

For someone who likes Lebron James you should be an expert on anxiety and phobias. Lebron has showed a diverse array of phobias: pressure situations, public perception in media, final shots, nail biting, NBA finals, pressure to win rings now (talents to south beach)

Essentially Lebron has a GIANT fear of failure. Even with success it rears it's ugly head. See his refusal to take WIDE open jumpers in the first six games of the Finals. He was obviously tentative and scared.

[Young X]

I NEEEEED to see another Rose vs. Westbrook matchup. Can't wait.

[NumberSix]

You mean phobia of performing up to MVP level expectations after a career altering injury? Makes sense in my book. Take your time and don't jeopardize your career or future.

For someone who likes Lebron James you should be an expert on anxiety and phobias. Lebron has showed a diverse array of phobias: pressure situations, public perception in media, final shots, nail biting, NBA finals, pressure to win rings now (talents to south beach)
Blah bla blah. He's never been afraid to suit up and step on the court while being 100% healthy.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Blah bla blah. He's never been afraid to suit up and step on the court while being 100% healthy.
When did LeBron tear his ACL ?

Bron has not suited up for games due to made up injuries like the elbow incident.

No where has he ever faced the adversity of coming back from a career altering injury. Your feeble attempts at trolling or comparing make no sense.

Btw why so salty and insecure about Rose that you keep this on going Derrick Rose troll war effort raging?

[NumberSix]

When did LeBron tear his ACL ?
When did rose eat at Wendy's? Is it really relevant?

[jimmy77x]

Is it a coincidence that most rose haters are lebron dick riders in here?

[tikay0]

SamuraiSwish ether'd Numbersixx.

Anything else you say makes you look desperate and forced.

[NumberSix]

Is it a coincidence that most rose haters are lebron dick riders in here?
No. You'll probably find that fans who prefer efficient team play generally aren't fans of the typical inefficient chucker type of player. Melo, Rose, Kobe.... See a trend here?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Is it a coincidence that most rose haters are lebron dick riders in here?

Is it a coincidence that you come into all my threads crying like a whiny bitch? Why don't you sign on your imdaman99 account and post something now. :oldlol:

[Solefade]

Is it a coincidence that most rose haters are lebron dick riders in here?


Lol why is it always about "dick riding" LeBron when its the truth.

[tikay0]

When did rose eat at Wendy's? Is it really relevant?

Translation: "Dammit, you're right.". I'll just make a snarly remark so I get the last word, but I still can't ESCAP that feeling where I get beat down with tact and non trolling. Something I can't do." :oldlol:

[DaSeba5]

Is it a coincidence that most rose haters are lebron dick riders in here?

Is it me or do you come in every thread that's not even about LeBron, and whine about his "dick riders?"

[NumberSix]

Translation: "Dammit, you're right.". I'll just make a snarly remark so I get the last word, but I still can't ESCAP that feeling where I get beat down with tact and non trolling. Something I can't do." :oldlol:
We're talking about Rose not wanting to play when he's been injury free for months. What do past injuries have to do with anything in that scenario?


Btw, too many quotations dog.

[jimmy77x]

Haha Say one post about lebron dick riders and they all come flocking :roll: :roll: :roll: my job is done.

[tikay0]

We're talking about Rose not wanting to play when he's been injury free for months. What do past injuries have to do with anything in that scenario?

Wait, you got put in your place so hard, you're not trolling me, and playing the normal, non troll poster?

Yeah, Swish ether'd u bro.:oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Wait, you got put in your place so hard, you're not trolling me, and playing the normal, non troll poster?

Yeah, Swish ether'd u bro.:oldlol:
I was never trolling in the first place. I'm not saying anything about Rose that I don't honestly believe is true.

[DaSeba5]

Haha Say one post about lebron dick riders and they all come flocking :roll: :roll: :roll: my job is done.

"Who Ya Got: Westbrook Or Healthy Rose"

Thanks for the contribution. All you've done is troll, while everyone is giving their opinion that you don't like.

[Dionysus]

SamuraiSwish ether'd Numbersixx.

Anything else you say makes you look desperate and forced.

:oldlol: get off his wank stick. He ethered nothing. Rose was cleared to play, he was a scared puppy so he didn't. Mental midget, 6%, you upset?

LeBron>>Rose
Westbrook> Rose

Look at what All 3 did last season! Oh wait you can't because Rose was afraid and eating skittles on the bench.

[Solefade]

tikay0 getting ethered OOOOOOOOOH

[code green]

GOATbrook, all day. He's my favorite non-Celtic not named "Paul Pierce."

[SilkkTheShocker]

tikay0 getting ethered OOOOOOOOOH


:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[nathanjizzle]

I was never trolling in the first place. I'm not saying anything about Rose that I don't honestly believe is true.

then you are just plain stupid.

[DaSeba5]

It's funny how everyone who says Westbrook is a "LeBron dickrider" and "hater." It's very close between the two IMO, so saying one is better than the other isn't saying all that much.

[NumberSix]

then you are just plain stupid.
Aren't you the guy who lied about being Asian because somebody found your twitter account?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Cautious with return from severe athletic injury somehow equates in a Lebron stans mind as cowardly ...

No where is turning back on hometown team one made promises of glory to and ring chasing with MVP competitors is of course in a LeClown fans mind being brave.

LeBron struggles so much with defeat that in post game interviews he deflects blame and projects then targets fans meager in comparison bank accounts.

You really want to get into this whole coward argument ladies? In no way is Rose wanting to be safe and secure with his body before returning to elite competition a bad thing. You have to feel confident in your body before you can do what you want on the floor. Doctors can't assess and give the green light for that ... It's internal to the athlete.

Given these statements I trust none of you have been athletes at any level. It was clear as day Rose wanted to be on the floor. But not as some role player type impact. He wanted to be Derrick Rose. Thus the wait. Use your brain kiddos. Let the hate out of your hearts. That 2011 was never going to be LeBrons.

Move on.

[WolfGang]

I'd take Westbrook everytime. He is bigger, possibly faster, is a better scorer hands down and is the most explosive player in the league. He also has a much better jumpshot/mid-range game.

Rose is never going to win another MVP. His MVP was pretty much just punishment to Lebron for teaming up with Wade. Remember the 08-09 season? Dwyane Wade averaged 30ppg, 5rpg and 7apg. He brought his BAD team to the playoffs by himself and was the best player that year. He was my favorite player then and I felt like he should have been MVP. Its basically a popularity contest.

[NumberSix]

Cautious with return from severe athletic injury somehow equates in a Lebron stans mind as cowardly ...

No where is turning back on hometown team one made promises of glory to and ring chasing with MVP competitors is of course in a LeClown fans mind being brave.

LeBron struggles so much with defeat that in post game interviews he deflects blame and projects then targets fans meager in comparison bank accounts.

You really want to get into this whole coward argument ladies? In no way is Rose wanting to be safe and secure with his body before returning to elite competition a bad thing. You have to feel confident in your body before you can do what you want on the floor. Doctors can't assess and give the green light for that ... It's internal to the athlete.

Given these statements I trust none of you have been athletes at any level. It was clear as day Rose wanted to be on the floor. But not as some role player type impact. He wanted to be Derrick Rose. Thus the wait. Use your brain kiddos. Let the hate out of your hearts. That 2011 was never going to be LeBrons.

Move on.
Ok, let's just assume you're right. LeBron is definitely a coward and Rose definitely isnt. Westbrook is still better than Rose.

[Solefade]

I'd take Westbrook everytime. He is bigger, possibly faster, is a better scorer hands down and is the most explosive player in the league. He also has a much better jumpshot/mid-range game.

Rose is never going to win another MVP. His MVP was pretty much just punishment to Lebron for teaming up with Wade. Remember the 08-09 season? Dwyane Wade averaged 30ppg, 5rpg and 7apg. He brought his BAD team to the playoffs by himself and was the best player that year. He was my favorite player then and I felt like he should have been MVP. Its basically a popularity contest.

I agreed with everything you said until popularity contest. Lol.

[nathanjizzle]

Aren't you the guy who lied about being Asian because somebody found your twitter account?

no, im the guy who losbulls thought was a black guy on facebook that was from north Carolina. wow youre really misinformed.

[DaSeba5]

Cautious with return from severe athletic injury somehow equates in a Lebron stans mind as cowardly ...

No where is turning back on hometown team one made promises of glory to and ring chasing with MVP competitors is of course in a LeClown fans mind being brave.

LeBron struggles so much with defeat that in post game interviews he deflects blame and projects then targets fans meager in comparison bank accounts.

You really want to get into this whole coward argument ladies? In no way is Rose wanting to be safe and secure with his body before returning to elite competition a bad thing. You have to feel confident in your body before you can do what you want on the floor. Doctors can't assess and give the green light for that ... It's internal to the athlete.

Given these statements I trust none of you have been athletes at any level. It was clear as day Rose wanted to be on the floor. But not as some role player type impact. He wanted to be Derrick Rose. Thus the wait. Use your brain kiddos. Let the hate out of your hearts. That 2011 was never going to be LeBrons.

Move on.

This is irrelevant to the thread. So Rose could not play, and LeBron is a coward. What does this have to do with Westbrook vs Rose?

[tikay0]

Ok, let's just assume you're right. LeBron is definitely a coward and Rose definitely isnt. Westbrook is still better than Rose.

Lmao. No rebuttal. You don't even give a **** who's better. You've been trolling Rose threads for how long now?

Don't try and act like you're not some slimy little troll, now that you've been patted on the head and dealt with like a child.

:oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

nathan is just upset that his favorite player is a walking v,agina :oldlol:

[tikay0]

I'm officially out this thread.

[nathanjizzle]

nathan is just upset that his favorite player is a walking v,agina :oldlol:

mad? nah, i dont sell snap on ties for a living.

[DaSeba5]

This thread turned into about LeBron Vs Rose and LeBron stans vs Rose/Bulls fans, when the title says Westbrook vs Rose. Yes LeBron stans are annoying, but the haters talk about LeBron just as much.

[NumberSix]

Lmao. No rebuttal. You don't even give a **** who's better. You've been trolling Rose threads for how long now?

Don't try and act like you're not some slimy little troll, now that you've been patted on the head and dealt with like a child.

:oldlol:
Thinking Westbrook > Rose in itself is trolling?

That suggest that the opinion of Westbrook being better than Rose is so preposterous that it can't be said with any sincerity. As if Rose is so clearly and definitively better than Westbrook that the mere suggestion that Westbrook is better would have to be trolling.

Clear case of bulls fans typical limitless overrating of Derrick Rose.

[SilkkTheShocker]

mad? nah, i dont sell snap on ties for a living.

That is hilarious coming from the guy typing with one hand on a keyboard and the other on a spatula. White Castle must really value your versatility :applause:

[ihoopallday]

That is hilarious coming from the guy typing with one hand on a keyboard and the other on a spatula. White Castle must really value your versatility :applause:

:lol :lol DAMN

[NumberSix]

That is hilarious coming from the guy typing with one hand on a keyboard and the other on a spatula. White Castle must really value your versatility :applause:
:roll:

This is the funniest thing I've read all day.

[AirTupac]

That is hilarious coming from the guy typing with one hand on a keyboard and the other on a spatula. White Castle must really value your versatility :applause:

Youre insult are getting better. +1 :oldlol:

[DaSeba5]

That is hilarious coming from the guy typing with one hand on a keyboard and the other on a spatula. White Castle must really value your versatility :applause:

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/1/5/15fc7_ORIG-the_rock_clap_clap_gif.gif

[nathanjizzle]

That is hilarious coming from the guy typing with one hand on a keyboard and the other on a spatula. White Castle must really value your versatility :applause:

thats a descent insult, too bad i dont work at white castle, and in reality you sell snap on ties.

[Bobby13]

I would go with Westbrook. I don't see there being a big difference in finishing ability between the two, but Westbrook has the potential to be a great defender at the 1. He has already shown signs of his defensive potential guarding Mike Conley for stretches in the playoffs, and I think he's only going to get better in that area.

[SilkkTheShocker]

thats a descent insult, too bad i dont work at white castle, and in reality you sell snap on ties.

On a scale of 1-10, how mad are you right now? I bet you could cook those meat patties on your forehead right now :oldlol:

[nathanjizzle]

On a scale of 1-10, how mad are you right now? I bet you could cook those meat patties on your forehead right now :oldlol:

mad about what? that you sell snap on ties and i own a business? :roll: the sad thing is you actually said that you sell snap on ties on this forum with pride :roll:

[SilkkTheShocker]

mad about what? that you sell snap on ties and i own a business? :roll: the sad thing is you actually said that you sell snap on ties on this forum with pride :roll:

Dude, just because they gave you a key to open the place up, doesn't make you an "owner".

[nathanjizzle]

Dude, just because they gave you a key to open the place up, doesn't make you an "owner".

you can make all the fast food jokes you want. reality is you sell snap on ties and i own a business that makes 10x more money than you :roll:

[tazb]

The one that has (and shows) heart and is capable of carrying his team to the Finals: Westbrook.

[SilkkTheShocker]

you can make all the fast food jokes you want. reality is you sell snap on ties and i own a business that makes 10x more money than you :roll:

So you're that desperate to impress people on a message board that you're going to brag about a bunch of money you don't have? I almost feel bad for you. I really do. Than I remember, if I almost feel bad, how must your ****ing parents feel? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[nathanjizzle]

So you're that desperate to impress people on a message board that you're going to brag about a bunch of money you don't have? I almost feel bad for you. I really do. Than I remember, if I almost feel bad, how must your ****ing parents feel? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

youre 30 and you sell snap on ties for a living. cant be anymore disappointing then that. calling people ni@@ers too because they cut you off driving, you reek of immaturity.

[tikay0]

calling people ni@@ers too because they cut you off driving, you reek of immaturity.

:biggums:

Tell me you're joking. What a ****in bitch. Racist troll.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Bulls fans are legit getting mad right now :lol

[nathanjizzle]

:biggums:

Tell me you're joking. What a ****in bitch. Racist troll.

hes racist against black people. probably from getting punked all the time. thats why he has to come to the forums to troll to make up for reality.

[NumberSix]

Bulls fans are legit getting mad right now :lol
Of course. They can't accept that Chicago is the only place in the world where people think Derrick Rose is a top player.

[SilkkTheShocker]

hes racist against black people. probably from getting punked all the time. thats why he has to come to the forums to troll to make up for reality.

I didn't grow up in Chicago, so I didn't have to deal with murderers and rapists on a daily basis.

[nathanjizzle]

I didn't grow up in Chicago, so I didn't have to deal with murderers and rapists on a daily basis.

cuz you are the rapist. you sell snap on ties with pride right? who buys snap on ties besides young boys :roll:

[NumberSix]

cuz you are the rapist. you sell snap on ties with pride right? who buys snap on ties besides young boys :roll:
This^ just reeks of desperation.

[SilkkTheShocker]

This^ just reeks of desperation.

Yea, now the dude is talking about little boys? That is pretty creepy right there. :wtf: Get a grip dude.

[tikay0]

hes racist against black people. probably from getting punked all the time. thats why he has to come to the forums to troll to make up for reality.

So true.

[KG215]

Derrick Rose has been horribly underrated over the past year. If he hadn't been hurt, I think you could seriously argue for him over Durant as the second best player in basketball.
Unless he drastically improved from his modest MVP season (one of the weaker ones in recent memory) Rose would have absolutely zero case over Durant as second best player in the league. Durant's 2012 and 2013 seasons are easily better than Rose's 2011 MVP season.

[NumberSix]

Durants runner-up season >>>>>>>>>> Rose's "MVP season".

[KG215]

I've watched a bunch of Thunder games. Westbrook is not good in the post at all. He does an initial post up, then he quits that, and faces up again, and out quicks his defender. That's not a post game.

Derrick pounds on anyone smaller than him as well. What's your point?

Rose exhibits a craft, artistry and nuance to his game that Westbrook wishes he had.
Ummm...wrong. He was very good against smaller PG's in the post this year. There were stretches of some games, where we'd just post Russ up 3 or 4 possessions in a row, because he had a PG 2-3 inches shorter and quite a bit lighter and weaker guarding him, and he'd just back them down, and hit 'em with a quick turnaround bankshot.

[K Xerxes]

Unless he drastically improved from his modest MVP season (one of the weaker ones in recent memory) Rose would have absolutely zero case over Durant as second best player in the league. Durant's 2012 and 2013 seasons are easily better than Rose's 2011 MVP season.

The thing is, Rose did improve from his MVP season. In 11-12, he was noticably a better decision maker and got his team mates involved a lot more, as well as being far more efficient with improved shot selection.

But the season stats include those rust games where he comes back after weeks out of injury and shoots horribly, so they don't fully capture that. But anyone who watched the Bulls games in 11-12 when he played knows that he improved a lot and was a huge factor in the reason they went 32-7 with him.

Of course, not as good as Durant, but just wanted to make a general point that Rose was still on his way up at that point, and he could have been a contender for 2nd best player in the league had he stayed uninjured. Who knows.

[funnystuff]

I'd take Westbrook.


A healthy Rose choked hard in the 2011 playoffs.

[NumberSix]

I'd take Westbrook.


A healthy Rose choked hard in the 2011 playoffs.
I wouldn't say he choked. He played to the level he's capable of.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I'd take Westbrook.


A healthy Rose choked hard in the 2011 playoffs.
:facepalm

[funnystuff]

I wouldn't say he choked. He played to the level he's capable of.
Most overrated MVP EVER, imo.

[tikay0]

Ummm...wrong. He was very good against smaller PG's in the post this year. There were stretches of some games, where we'd just post Russ up 3 or 4 possessions in a row, because he had a PG 2-3 inches shorter and quite a bit lighter and weaker guarding him, and he'd just back them down, and hit 'em with a quick turnaround bankshot.

And Rose does the same thing, except he's in full motion, quick turn around, hesitation, spin, layup or floater.

And when he backs his smaller defender down, the defense collapses, so he passes out. Westbrook has Durant to attract a ton of attention, so he gets that 1 on 1 coverage. :confusedshrug:

[SilkkTheShocker]

I would have no problem putting Rose in the Mike Conley tier of points guards.

[KG215]

The thing is, Rose did improve from his MVP season. In 11-12, he was noticably a better decision maker and got his team mates involved a lot more, as well as being far more efficient with improved shot selection.

But the season stats include those rust games where he comes back after weeks out of injury and shoots horribly, so they don't fully capture that. But anyone who watched the Bulls games in 11-12 when he played knows that he improved a lot and was a huge factor in the reason they went 32-7 with him.

Of course, not as good as Durant, but just wanted to make a general point that Rose was still on his way up at that point, and he could have been a contender for 2nd best player in the league had he stayed uninjured. Who knows.
Yeah, to be honest, I barely remember 2011-2012 Rose because it's been forever since I've seen him play. I'm not implying he wouldn't have or hasn't improved, but I feel like he'd had to improve quite a bit because there was a pretty noticeable gap between Durant's 2013 season and, to a lesser extent, his 2012 season and Rose's 2011 season.

[NumberSix]

I would have no problem putting Rose in the Mike Conley tier of points guards.
Mike Conly is worlds more valuable on defense and isn't an inefficient chucker on offense.

Derrick Rose isnt anything special. You could put any league average starting PG on those Buls teams and have the exact same level of success. Even Nate Robinson was decent enough in that role.

[KG215]

And Rose does the same thing, except he's in full motion, quick turn around, hesitation, spin, layup or floater.

And when he backs his smaller defender down, the defense collapses, so he passes out. Westbrook has Durant to attract a ton of attention, so he gets that 1 on 1 coverage. :confusedshrug:
I'm trying to stay out of this argument because I missed the first 8 pages and it's turned into you and other Rose/Bulls stans arguing with LeBron/Heat fans...but wrong on the 1-on-1 coverage. Teams usually just send whoever is guarding Perkins to help if Westbrook is has scored on his man a few times in the post. The Bulls don't have anyone that's anywhere close to being as big of fan offensive liability on their team as Perkins. People need to realize that just because Durant and Westbrook have each other, doesn't mean they still get more open lanes and more 1-on-1 one coverage. Kendrick Perkins is still on the team and teams just usually completely ignore him defensively. That's part of the reason Durant started to struggle so much against the Grizzlies in the playoffs. When Perkins was in the game, they'd just let Gasol roam and hard trap/double Durant when he caught the ball.

And I'm not saying Rose doesn't have a post-game, but you implied Westbrook's sucks, and I know you don't watch nearly as many Thunder games as I do, and definitely know you're at least as biased as I am because you're one of the most biased posters on ISH. My problem is with you saying Westbrook's postgame sucks, because it doesn't. I saw plenty of games this year where he took his man down on the block and score on him multiple times in a game. And it wasn't all turnaround jumpers/faders, either.

[Twiens]

I'm convinced all these Lebron fans/Rose haters are the same person..

[NumberSix]

I'm well known as a huge Knicks and thunder hater, but I'll still tell you the truth that both Melo and Westbrook are easily better than Derrick Rose.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I'm convinced all these Lebron fans/Rose haters are the same person..
They oddly share the exact same stance. Very coincidental. Group insecurity at that level? Doubtful.

[Solefade]

And Rose does the same thing, except he's in full motion, quick turn around, hesitation, spin, layup or floater.

And when he backs his smaller defender down, the defense collapses, so he passes out. Westbrook has Durant to attract a ton of attention, so he gets that 1 on 1 coverage. :confusedshrug:

This guy said he was officially out of this thread like 3 times.


This thread provided a lot of laughs today. :applause:

[SilkkTheShocker]

This guy said he was officially out of this thread like 3 times.


This thread provided a lot of laughs today. :applause:

Don't worry, he is serious this time..... :cry:

[chairman]

I'll take Current Rose over Westbrook. He's a better PG and makes his teammates better but Westbrook would do fine on the Bulls as well. LeBron stans just love hating on Rose, but it's cool cause I'm the same way. I'd take Kobe over LeBron any day

[SilkkTheShocker]

I'll take Current Rose over Westbrook. He's a better PG and makes his teammates better but Westbrook would do fine on the Bulls as well. LeBron stans just love hating on Rose, but it's cool cause I'm the same way. I'd take Kobe over LeBron any day


And that is why you're a Rose fan. You're as smart as your favorite player :applause:

[chairman]

And that is why you're a Rose fan. You're as smart as your favorite player :applause:
So what if I'm a Rose fan? I live in Chicago.

[SilkkTheShocker]

So what if I'm a Rose fan? I live in Chicago.


My condolences.

[chairman]

My condolences.
Ok

[SilkkTheShocker]

Ok


Here I will help you out.

con

[Graviton]

Is Chicago as bad as Oakland? Seems like the crime is concentrated in certain parts while most of the city is much better.

[Solefade]

Is Chicago as bad as Oakland? Seems like the crime is concentrated in certain parts while most of the city is much better.


South side Chicago is probably worse than Oakland, but you get the good and the bad in Chicago while there's not much in Oakland.

[NumberSix]

Is Chicago as bad as Oakland? Seems like the crime is concentrated in certain parts while most of the city is much better.
Chicago is only slightly better than Mexico.

[chairman]

South side Chicago is probably worse than Oakland, but you get the good and the bad in Chicago while there's not much in Oakland.
South side is the only negative thing about Chicago. You just don't go south of Chicago and everything is perfect. South side Chicago isn't even that bad.

[chairman]

[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Here I will help you out.

con

[FreezingTsmoove]

South side is the only negative thing about Chicago. You just don't go south of Chicago and everything is perfect. South side Chicago isn't even that bad.

Englewood?

[Uncle Drew]

That is hilarious coming from the guy typing with one hand on a keyboard and the other on a spatula. White Castle must really value your versatility :applause:

:lol

[chairman]

Englewood?
Derrick Rose?

[FreezingTsmoove]

Derrick Rose?

Chief Keef??

[HoopsFanNumero1]

My condolences.

:lol

[Solefade]

South side is the only negative thing about Chicago. You just don't go south of Chicago and everything is perfect. South side Chicago isn't even that bad.


Lol i'm not from there but calling a place that's considered the murder capital "not that bad" is pretty funny.

[Kaspah]

It was unanimous around the league that D Rose was the best PG in the league before his injury, with Westbrook, CP3, Rondo, and D Will behind him. Tony Parker just reemerged this past season.

Cannot wait for d rose to go ham and see what your guys excuse is then.

D rose has carried his team so many times, he had stomach ulcers for like a month during his MVP season. Fck outta here.

[Graviton]

Lol i'm not from there but calling a place that's considered the murder capital "not that bad" is pretty funny.
Cmon now at least it's not as bad as Baghdad. :lol

[chairman]

Lol i'm not from there but calling a place that's considered the murder capital "not that bad" is pretty funny.
Yes meaning you can go to the south side of Chicago and not die. Unless you're black then good luck

[FreezingTsmoove]

Cmon now at least it's not as bad as Baghdad. :lol

It's known as CHIRAQ for a reason :confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

It was unanimous around the league that D Rose was the best PG in the league before his injury, with Westbrook, CP3, Rondo, and D Will behind him. Tony Parker just reemerged this past season.

Cannot wait for d rose to go ham and see what your guys excuse is then.

D rose has carried his team so many times, he had stomach ulcers for like a month during his MVP season. Fck outta here.
Yet it makes no difference when they play without him.

[chairman]

Cmon now at least it's not as bad as Baghdad. :lol
http://www.officialpsds.com/images/thumbs/CHIEF-KEEF-psd83003.png

[Kaspah]

Yet it makes no difference when they play without him.

Their offense is disgusting without Rose leading the charge. He lets everyone else score. Without him, the offense is forced and inconsistent.

The team doesn't fall apart because our defense and coaching.

So because our team buys into a defensive oriented system headed by one of the best coaches in the league means nothing? That's why the team stays up.

[TheReal Kendall]

I'll take Rose.

Why people keep saying Westbrook is bigger than Rose????

They're both 6'3 and Rose is a few lbs heavier.

Most people that are picking Westbrook are Lebron stans. They have some kinda hate towards Rose.

[NumberSix]

I'll take Rose.

Why people keep saying Westbrook is bigger than Rose????

They're both 6'3 and Rose is a few lbs heavier.

Most people that are picking Westbrook are Lebron stans. They have some kinda hate towards Rose.
I "hate on" Melo too. I can still admit he's better than Rose.

[Kaspah]

I "hate on" Melo too. I can still admit he's better than Rose.

They don't play the same position.

Tell me how Westbrook is better than d rose as a point guard.

Don't care about Melo, Durant, lebron.

[TheReal Kendall]

I "hate on" Melo too. I can still admit he's better than Rose.

You hate on anybody not named Lebron

[NumberSix]

They don't play the same position.

Tell me how Westbrook is better than d rose as a point guard.

Don't care about Melo, Durant, lebron.
There's a drastic difference between OKC with RWB and OKC without him. Rose, not so much. The Bulls this year did about the same against the Heat as they did with Rose. OKC completely fell apart without Westbrook. Is there any doubt that OKC would have beat Memphis with Westbrook playing? Chicago wouldn't have done any better if Rose was playing. His value to his team is pretty clear. With or without him, the bulls are pretty much the same, give or take. OKC goes from a 60 win WC favorite to a team not even close to being a contender without RWB.

Derrick Rose is 90% media hype created. Dude is a upper league average starter.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Russell Westbrook against the Heat in Game 4 2012 Finals
20/32 FG 43 Points 7 Rebounds 5 assists

Derrick Rose against a much weaker Heat team the previous year.
Shot 6% against the Heat in the 4th guarded by Lebron. :roll:


Put Westbrook alone on the Bulls he'll do the same except he won't choke or miss free throws.

[Kaspah]

There's a drastic difference between OKC with RWB and OKC without him. Rose, not so much. The Bulls this year did about the same against the Heat as they did with Rose. OKC completely fell apart without Westbrook. Is there any doubt that OKC would have beat Memphis with Westbrook playing? Chicago wouldn't have done any better if Rose was playing. His value to his team is pretty clear. With or without him, the bulls are pretty much the same, give or take. OKC goes from a 60 win WC favorite to a team not even close to being a contender without RWB.

Derrick Rose is 90% media hype created. Dude is a upper league average starter.

So... Chicagos role players > OKC's role players

Means

Westbrook is better? No.

Better coach, better role players, better system.


Chicago is a better team, plain and simple. Westbrook is not the #1 option whereas d rose is. Thunder looking terrible without Westbrook is nothing but a testament that they cannot hold it together without a superstar chucking shots. I fail to see how that makes Westbrook better than rose.

[tikay0]

I'm convinced all these Lebron fans/Rose haters are the same person..

It's all 1 loser with like 20 ALTs. Pretty damn obvious.

[poido123]

Russell Westbrook against the Heat in Game 4 2012 Finals
20/32 FG 43 Points 7 Rebounds 5 assists

Derrick Rose against a much weaker Heat team the previous year.
Shot 6% against the Heat in the 4th guarded by Lebron. :roll:


Put Westbrook alone on the Bulls he'll do the same except he won't choke or miss free throws.

That's nice to know.

Why do you hate the guy? Little bit insecure are we?

Lebron has two weak rings, two can play this game :pimp:

[poido123]

There's a drastic difference between OKC with RWB and OKC without him. Rose, not so much. The Bulls this year did about the same against the Heat as they did with Rose. OKC completely fell apart without Westbrook. Is there any doubt that OKC would have beat Memphis with Westbrook playing? Chicago wouldn't have done any better if Rose was playing. His value to his team is pretty clear. With or without him, the bulls are pretty much the same, give or take. OKC goes from a 60 win WC favorite to a team not even close to being a contender without RWB.

Derrick Rose is 90% media hype created. Dude is a upper league average starter.


:rolleyes:

If Ray Allen didn't defect to the Heat team, Lebron would be stuck on 1 weak ring. Just sayin :pimp:

Posts like this is exactly why people get banned around here, I'm guessing you were banned for a while Numbersix, you haven't been around.

[LongLiveTheKing]

That's nice to know.

Why do you hate the guy? Little bit insecure are we?

Lebron has two weak rings, two can play this game :pimp:
Lol @ them being weak. Derrick Rose is the worst MVP in NBA history.

[poido123]

Lol @ them being weak. Derrick Rose is the worst MVP in NBA history.

:D

[FreezingTsmoove]

Why are Rose fans so insecure about Westbrook being better? Since when was Rose a godlike PG, he is elite I will give you that. Westbrook is an all star, olympic guard who dropped 43 in the finals against Miami. Westbrook is just as good as Rose, and Rose is just as good as WB. Rose is not Jordan stop acting like he is on an all time great tier Bulls fans. He had one elite regular season and 2 good playoff series. He has barely proved anything. Westbrook torched the Heat in game 4, has destroyed great teams in a tough western conference, won a gold medal, and always comes to play each and every game. WB also has proved barely anything. I really don't see the big deal over Bulls fans getting angry over this.

[Graviton]

Why are Rose fans so insecure about Westbrook being better? Since when was Rose a godlike PG, he is elite I will give you that. Westbrook is an all star, olympic guard who dropped 43 in the finals against Miami. Westbrook is just as good as Rose, and Rose is just as good as WB.
Goatbrook is better than Rose, Rose is slightly better than Westbrook but Russell is equal to Rose.

[NumberSix]

:rolleyes:

If Ray Allen didn't defect to the Heat team, Lebron would be stuck on 1 weak ring. Just sayin :pimp:

Posts like this is exactly why people get banned around here, I'm guessing you were banned for a while Numbersix, you haven't been around.
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows?

[FreezingTsmoove]

Goatbrook is better than Rose, Rose is slightly better than Westbrook but Russell is equal to Rose.

I dont even think Bulls fans stay awake to see Westbrook play. I have watched both extensively and there is absolutely no wrong answer. Both of these players leave it all on the floor and leave your jaw dropped at the end of their games.

[Graviton]

If I had to base this off Rose's recent play (as in 2k13), then easily Westbrook. Rose gets blocked like a bitch way too often when I drive and goes for ***** layups. His jumper also takes forever to release and is pretty mediocre.

Westbrook on the other hand dunks on anything as soon as you step in the paint. And 1s over big men all day. Also has a quick pullup and gets steals quite often.

[poido123]

Why are Rose fans so insecure about Westbrook being better? Since when was Rose a godlike PG, he is elite I will give you that. Westbrook is an all star, olympic guard who dropped 43 in the finals against Miami. Westbrook is just as good as Rose, and Rose is just as good as WB. Rose is not Jordan stop acting like he is on an all time great tier Bulls fans. He had one elite regular season and 2 good playoff series. He has barely proved anything. Westbrook torched the Heat in game 4, has destroyed great teams in a tough western conference, won a gold medal, and always comes to play each and every game. WB also has proved barely anything. I really don't see the big deal over Bulls fans getting angry over this.

:rolleyes:

Who is insecure?

I have no problem saying they are about the same. On any given day they are slightly better than the other, but I wouldn't say one is definatively better.

However, I will say the edge should go to Rose since he has won an MVP and is less boneheaded than Westy.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Cmon now at least it's not as bad as Baghdad. :lol
We don't call it CHIraq for nothing.

[Young X]

'10-'12 Per 36

Rose: 24/8/4 - 55 TS% - 23.4 PER

Westbrook: 24/7/5 - 54 TS% - 23.3 PER

Both born in '88
Both drafted in '08
Both shoot 1st PG's
Both super athletic
Both recovering from knee injuries

So close :eek:

[NumberSix]

Rose is one of the 10 worst players in the NBA. InB4 madness.

[dannywpt]

'10-'12 Per 36

Rose: 24/8/4 - 55 TS% - 23.4 PER

Westbrook: 24/7/5 - 54 TS% - 23.3 PER

Both born in '88
Both drafted in '08
Both shoot 1st PG's
Both super athletic
Both recovering from knee injuries

So close :eek:

:applause:

[tikay0]

'10-'12 Per 36

Rose: 24/8/4 - 55 TS% - 23.4 PER

Westbrook: 24/7/5 - 54 TS% - 23.3 PER

Both born in '88
Both drafted in '08
Both shoot 1st PG's
Both super athletic
Both recovering from knee injuries

So close :eek:

And just remember. Rose has to do everything for that offense to run. Westbrook has Durant to take some of the burden off.

[imdaman99]

And just remember. Rose has to do everything for that offense to run. Westbrook has Durant to take some of the burden off.
dont you think westbrooks numbers would increase if he didnt have to defer to durant all the time (or sometimes :oldlol: )? or are you under the thought process that teams always put the best defender on durant? let me tell you something, teams are not double teaming durant on the perimeter. they are not likely leaving him open, but they are not double teaming him.

[KG215]

dont you think westbrooks numbers would increase if he didnt have to defer to durant all the time (or sometimes :oldlol: )? or are you under the thought process that teams always put the best defender on durant? let me tell you something, teams are not double teaming durant on the perimeter. they are not likely leaving him open, but they are not double teaming him.
Ummm...actually Durant faces more double-teams trying to get open and on the catch on the perimeter and mid and high post. But when Perkins is in the game, teams just completely ignore him and use his man to collapse on Westbrook when he drives.

[tikay0]

dont you think westbrooks numbers would increase if he didnt have to defer to durant all the time (or sometimes :oldlol: )? or are you under the thought process that teams always put the best defender on durant? let me tell you something, teams are not double teaming durant on the perimeter. they are not likely leaving him open, but they are not double teaming him.

No, I think his efficiency would be worse without a KD, and he'd get exposed for shot jacking, since he'd put up gaudy stats with bad efficiency, and his teams wouldn't be OKC Thunder good.

So, according to you, KD serves no help to Westbrook, and he's just a net neutral. Riiiiiight.

I pray Rose gets a KD caliber player, so we can run the East. It wouldn't even be fair.

[poido123]

Rose is one of the 10 worst players in the NBA. InB4 madness.

..

[97 bulls]

I think theyre eerily similar. Id go with Rose because I feel he has better shot selection

[NumberSix]

Don't forget. Westbrook never gets a chance to get into rhythm with all the time he has to spend standing around watch KD shoot FTs.

[imdaman99]

Ummm...actually Durant faces more double-teams trying to get open and on the catch on the perimeter and mid and high post. But when Perkins is in the game, teams just completely ignore him and use his man to collapse on Westbrook when he drives.
noooooooo, i meant when russ attacks. its not like teams are double teaming durant at that moment. its different if westbrook is trying to feed it to durant with him coming off a screen.

[97 bulls]

Don't forget. Westbrook never gets a chance to get into rhythm with all the time he has to spend standing around watch KD shoot FTs.
The flip side is he also KD draws alot if attention away from Westbrook.

[imdaman99]

No, I think his efficiency would be worse without a KD, and he'd get exposed for shot jacking, since he'd put up gaudy stats with bad efficiency, and his teams wouldn't be OKC Thunder good.

So, according to you, KD serves no help to Westbrook, and he's just a net neutral. Riiiiiight.

I pray Rose gets a KD caliber player, so we can run the East. It wouldn't even be fair.
i think westbrook is more important to the rest of the team than durant is. most of the time the PG is more important, even though durant is a beast. without westbrook, ibaka and martin looked like trash. not saying they would have still beasted had westbrook not gotten hurt, but those guys need westbrook. sure durants numbers rose up after the westbrook injury, but he didnt have the energy to put the games away like he usually does.

ive come to the conclusion that westbrook does more for durant than durant does for westbrook. but its just my opinion. if you prefer rose over westbrook thats fine, not like there is a clear cut answer, unless you're from chicago.

[tikay0]

i think westbrook is more important to the rest of the team than durant is. most of the time the PG is more important, even though durant is a beast. without westbrook, ibaka and martin looked like trash. not saying they would have still beasted had westbrook not gotten hurt, but those guys need westbrook. sure durants numbers rose up, but he didnt have the energy to put the games away like he usually does.

ive come to the conclusion that westbrook does more for durant than durant does for westbrook. but its just my opinion. if you prefer rose over westbrook thats fine, not like there is a clear cut answer, unless you're from chicago.

No one's denying that Westbrook is extremely important to that team, and even though I disagree that Westbrook's more important, I don't see how that matters.

He still has KD on the team. He's still benefiting from KD. Rose has to do everything, and get everyone shots.

The difference between KD running around a screen, and having each and every defender locking in on him, at their particular spot, freezes a team's defense.

Deng running around those same screens don't have the same effect.

[tikay0]

We're not even factoring in the fact that Westbrook has a guy he can dump it to, and watch do his magic. Thus getting more breathers.

If Rose passes it off to someone. Chances are he's running routes to get the ball back because his teammate can't create a shot worth a damn.

The load on offense for Rose is much tougher IMO.

[joeyjoejoe]

Not the one that goes 4/20 in finals elim game costing the game

[tikay0]

We're not even factoring in the fact that Westbrook has a guy he can dump it to, and watch do his magic. Thus getting more breathers.

If Rose passes it off to someone. Chances are he's running routes to get the ball back because his teammate can't create a shot worth a damn.

The load on offense for Rose is much tougher, IMO.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Not the one that goes 4/20 in finals elim game costing the game

So the one that shoots 35% in a series and 6% in the 4th Q's?

[imdaman99]

No one's denying that Westbrook is extremely important to that team, and even though I disagree that Westbrook's more important, I don't see how that matters.

He still has KD on the team. He's still benefiting from KD. Rose has to do everything, and get everyone shots.

The difference between KD running around a screen, and having each and every defender locking in on him, at their particular spot, freezes a team's defense.

Deng running around those same screens don't have the same effect.
Westbrook has Durant, Rose has an entire team system that has bought into it. Great defense can keep games close against almost any team, look what Nate Robinson did with the Bulls. He lit up a team with better players and knocked the Nets out of the playoffs. Why? Because of team defense. Now if the Bulls had Durant + Rose in THAT system, it would be game over.

[imdaman99]

Not the one that goes 4/20 in finals elim game costing the game
even if he went 20/20 in that game, the thunder were not winning. the heat role players smelled blood and they usually light it up in those situations.

[tikay0]

Westbrook has Durant, Rose has an entire team system that has bought into it. Great defense can keep games close against almost any team, look what Nate Robinson did with the Bulls. He lit up a team with better players and knocked the Nets out of the playoffs. Why? Because of team defense. Now if the Bulls had Durant + Rose in THAT system, it would be game over.

Yes, we do have a great team concept, BUT, that wears our players out for the Playoffs, and puts a tremendous amount of stress on our player's body from game to game to game.

It's usually better to have 2 superstars that can share that burden. We have a great team, but when it comes down to it, the burden on Rose on the offensive side is crazy.

He has to do EVERYTHING.

And how do you even twist the argument to make it seem like Rose has it easier? You're obviously partial to Westbrook. I'm obviously partial to Rose, but I admit it.

[Young X]

Westbrook does benefit from playing with KD, but he also doesn't have the Defense/Rebounding that Rose does. They're identical players impact wise (so far). IDK maaaan.

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[tikay0]

And why are we just bringing up Durant. He also had Harden last year, and the year before that.

When Harden's and Westbrook are in the game together, Harden usually takes over the facilitating role, because he was better at doing it, while Westbrook was better at being a SG type.

[tikay0]

Westbrook does benefit from playing with KD, but he also doesn't have the Defense/Rebounding that Rose does. They're identical players impact wise (so far). IDK maaaan.

Westbrook benefited from KD and Harden.

Rose STILL guards the opposing team's PG. He's ranked 3rd among PGs as a primary defender.

He does more than his fair share on the defensive side.

I don't think that comes into the equation here.

[tikay0]

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And you know what's amazing about this dunk?

He did it with a pulled groin. :bowdown:

Just came back from back spasms and suffered a pulled groin.

[97 bulls]

And why are we just bringing up Durant. He also had Harden last year, and the year before that.

When Harden's and Westbrook are in the game together, Harden usually takes over the facilitating role, because he was better at doing it, while Westbrook was better at being a SG type.
Exactly. If the Bulls had another guy capable if putting the ball on the floor and creating for himself, thyed have a ring right now. Westbrook had two guys

[tikay0]

Exactly. If the Bulls had another guy capable if putting the ball on the floor and creating for himself, thyed have a ring right now. Westbrook had two guys

Easily. The offensive load against the Heat on a twice sprained ankle is too much for 1 player.

You can't beat an all star team with 1 player that can create their own damn shot.

[TheReal Kendall]

If I had to base this off Rose's recent play (as in 2k13), then easily Westbrook. Rose gets blocked like a bitch way too often when I drive and goes for ***** layups. His jumper also takes forever to release and is pretty mediocre.

Westbrook on the other hand dunks on anything as soon as you step in the paint. And 1s over big men all day. Also has a quick pullup and gets steals quite often.

:roll:

2k13:facepalm

[NumberSix]

Easily. The offensive load against the Heat on a twice sprained ankle is too much for 1 player.

You can't beat an all star team with 1 player that can create their own damn shot.
Don't the bulls have 3 all stars?

[97 bulls]

Don't the bulls have 3 all stars?
Were talking about offensive pressure.

[tikay0]

Don't the bulls have 3 all stars?

I didn't know we had any all stars on our team besides Rose during the 2010-2011 season. :confusedshrug:

[Young X]

Elite PG's from '10-'13 Per 36

Rose: 24/8/4 - 55 TS% - 23.4 PER

Westbrook: 24/7/5 - 54 TS% - 23.5 PER

Parker: 21/8/3 - 57 TS% - 21.7 PER

Williams: 19/9/3 - 56 TS% - 20.6 PER

Paul: 18/10/4/2.5 - 58 TS% - 25.5 PER

Rondo: 12/11/5/2 - 50 TS% - 17.5 PER

Nash: 13/10/3 - 61 TS% - 19.3 PER

[tikay0]

Elite PG's from '10-'13 Per 36

Rose: 24/8/4 - 55 TS% - 23.4 PER

Westbrook: 24/7/5 - 54 TS% - 23.5 PER

Parker: 21/8/3 - 57 TS% - 21.7 PER

Williams: 19/9/3 - 56 TS% - 20.6 PER

Paul: 18/10/4/2.5 - 58 TS% - 25.5 PER

Rondo: 12/11/5/2 - 50 TS% - 17.5 PER

Nash: 13/10/3 - 61 TS% - 19.3 PER

Rose didn't play in the 2012-13' season. His last handful of stats were all injury and getting his groove back numbers from 11'-12'.

[tikay0]

And why are we just bringing up Durant? He also had Harden last year, and the year before that.

When Harden and Westbrook are in the game together, Harden usually takes over the facilitating role, because he was better at doing it, while Westbrook was better at being a SG type.

[NumberSix]

Rose is probably the most overrated player in sports history

[TheReal Kendall]

Rose is probably the most overrated player in sports history

You are a bona fide troll

[Young X]

Elite PG's from '10-'13 Per 36

Paul: 18/10/4/2.5 - 58 TS% - 25.5 PER

Westbrook: 24/7/5 - 54 TS% - 23.5 PER

Rose: 24/8/4 - 55 TS% - 23.4 PER

Parker: 21/8/3 - 57 TS% - 21.7 PER

Irving: 21/6/4 - 56 TS% - 21.4 PER

Williams: 19/9/3 - 56 TS% - 20.6 PER

Curry: 21/6/4 - 59 TS% - 20.5 PER

Nash: 13/10/3 - 61 TS% - 19.3 PER

Wall: 17/8/4 - 50 TS% - 17.7 PER

Rondo: 12/11/5/2 - 50 TS% - 17.5 PER

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5 hours later..tikay0 still on this thread slurping Rose's dick after he said "I'm officially out"

[TheReal Kendall]

5 hours later..tikay0 still on this thread slurping Rose's dick after he said "I'm officially out"

:roll: :roll:


He said he was done hrs ago but he's making good points though

[SilkkTheShocker]

I don't think I have ever seen the imdaman99 poster make a good point. :confusedshrug: Maybe he should sign on to his jimmyX username to back up his opinions for often.

[NumberSix]

Derrick rose is a bitch doe.

[Dionysus]

That is hilarious coming from the guy typing with one hand on a keyboard and the other on a spatula. White Castle must really value your versatility :applause:

How'd I miss this!:roll: :roll: :roll:

[red1]

we shall see this year