2012-2013: Lebron James vs. Kobe Bryant: Jump Shooting and Finishing

[CanYouDigIt]

Lebron James

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ChuckBe Bryant

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[kennethgriffin]

the defense dares lebron to shoot beyond 15 feet. they don't even guard him

while kobe has 1-2 guys in his face every second he passes half court

its like the their 3 point percentages. same thing. kobe takes probably 90% of his threes with a defender on him. while james is much more like mj and rarely takes a defended three

kobe knows he can make around the same percentage as those other 2 guys with pressure on him

while james and mj would shoot 25% if they had the kind of looks kobe takes on the regular from distance

[Batz]

the defense dares lebron to shoot beyond 15 feet. they don't even guard him

while kobe has 1-2 guys in his face every second he passes half court

its like the their 3 point percentages. same thing. kobe takes probably 90% of his threes with a defender on him. while james is much more like mj and rarely takes a defended three

This is about the only time I'll ever agree with you.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

the defense dares lebron to shoot beyond 15 feet. they don't even guard him

while kobe has 1-2 guys in his face every second he passes half court

its like the their 3 point percentages. same thing. kobe takes probably 90% of his threes with a defender on him. while james is much more like mj and rarely takes a defended three

kobe knows he can make around the same percentage as those other 2 guys with pressure on him

while james and mj would shoot 25% if they had the kind of looks kobe takes on the regular from distance
Then it should be easier for Kobe to drive and finish at the rim.

[scm5]

Kobe could be such an efficient scorer if he improved his shot selection. He's right there with Lebron in almost every category except 3's and finishing at the rim. He's better in a lot of other categories too.

The problem is, Kobe isn't focused on efficiency.

[WayOfWade]

the defense dares lebron to shoot beyond 15 feet. they don't even guard him

while kobe has 1-2 guys in his face every second he passes half court

its like the their 3 point percentages. same thing. kobe takes probably 90% of his threes with a defender on him. while james is much more like mj and rarely takes a defended three

kobe knows he can make around the same percentage as those other 2 guys with pressure on him

while james and mj would shoot 25% if they had the kind of looks kobe takes on the regular from distance
That's actually a good knowledgeable post. :applause:

[DuMa]

why are we comparing a 4 time MVP to an old gimp?

[tpols]

Damn.. Kobe murders Bron in the midrange:bowdown:

[SilkkTheShocker]

06 LeBron alone was a better player than Kobe was at anytime in his prime.

[Batz]

Then it should be easier for Kobe to drive and finish at the rim.
What? How did you get from having two defenders on you to getting to the rim easily? Do you know how basketball works?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

What? How did you get from having two defenders on you to getting to the rim easily? Do you know how basketball works?
His point was that if defenders peess up on you it is harder to make jumpers but it makes it easier to drive past them.

[VIntageNOvel]

3 PT number a little bit unreliable

as there's a good stretch of games (10 game?) where in total kobe shoot like 1/20? from 3, because he took less 3 (lakers was in tight spot, so he play it safe, attakin the rim like crazy) and only take bail out, last second shot, end of quarter 3PT (which is rarely be taken by today star)

but yeah LBJ improve his shooting a lot after his summer camp with durant

[SamuraiSWISH]

. kobe takes probably 90% of his threes with a defender on him. while james is much more like mj and rarely takes a defendedthree
Which is precisely why MJ and James are better more consistent offensive weapons. They don't take dumb shots bailing the defense out by shooting idiotic "defended three pointers" .... As if that's some badge of honor to be proud of shooting selfish dumb low percentage shots equating to basically a turnover.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Which is precisely why MJ and James are better more consistent offensive weapons. They don't take dumb shots bailing the defense out by shooting idiotic "defended three pointers" .... As if that's some badge of honor to be proud of shooting selfish dumb low percentage shots equating to basically a turnover.

I always love how Kobe fans love to prop him up with the "Best At taking contested shots" title. Its like giving an award to quarterbacks for being the best at throwing double coverage. Its not the right play to make, end of story. Thank God he was able to find a frontcourt to bail him out his whole career :oldlol:

[Marchesk]

Thank God he was able to find a frontcourt to bail him out his whole career :oldlol:

Thank God Lebron found a place to take his talents too.

[tazb]

the defense dares lebron to shoot beyond 15 feet. they don't even guard him

while kobe has 1-2 guys in his face every second he passes half court

its like the their 3 point percentages. same thing. kobe takes probably 90% of his threes with a defender on him. while james is much more like mj and rarely takes a defended three

kobe knows he can make around the same percentage as those other 2 guys with pressure on him

while james and mj would shoot 25% if they had the kind of looks kobe takes on the regular from distance

And that's an advantage to Kobe how....? Just shows he has low basketball IQ.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Thank God Lebron found a place to take his talents too.

he won a ring with a hurt Wade and Bosh averaging 12ppg all postseason. Kobe doesn't even have any notable playoff moments. Hell, LeBron's game 7 alone takes a huge steaming shit on anything Kobe did in the postseason.

[kennethgriffin]

I always love how Kobe fans love to prop him up with the "Best At taking contested shots" title. Its like giving an award to quarterbacks for being the best at throwing double coverage. Its not the right play to make, end of story. Thank God he was able to find a frontcourt to bail him out his whole career :oldlol:


it actually is a verry good skill to have when arguing over era transitional players


say... for example. people dare lebron to shoot in this era. can't breath on him without getting called for a foul. can't go within a few feet of him without getting run over with no charging call or being able to body him up

so lebron is only good in this era. while kobe could transition into any era with even the toughest defense from the absolute best team in nba history guarding him with less rules hurting the defense. or star treatment...due to his ability to hit the toughest shots and make them look normal

kobe can play in any era. past, present or future. lebron is era specific hot garbage


only reason MJ got away with the same treatment was because he had the refs in his back pocket and a watered down expansion era


both mj and lebron can't touch kobe

[K Xerxes]

What I find pretty amazing is how good of a finisher at the rim LeBron is. I mean, if the argument about his solid midrange and 3PT is defenders leaving him open - combined with the fact that teams are more worried about his assault at the rim anyway - then to convert at such a devastating rate with so many shots at the rim is pretty astounding. He's one of the best finishers at the rim of all time, even including big men.

Kobe is without question a more skilled mid-long range shooter, but he takes too many poor shots. I don't know what kind of twisted logic warrants burping up terrible shots, but Kobe has done it for his entire career and it's rubbed off on up and coming athletes.

[SamuraiSWISH]

both mj and lebron can't touch kobe
Inferiority complex at it's best. Whatever mental gymnastics you have to tell yourself, do it meanwhile the rest of humanity understands the obvious.

[Marchesk]

Kobe doesn't even have any notable playoff moments. Hell, LeBron's game 7 alone takes a huge steaming shit on anything Kobe did in the postseason.

Spurs might disagree about that.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Spurs might disagree about that.

And? I wonder who Prince and the Pistons think was the harder player to guard? Same with Boston. It's a stupid argument to try and make.

[kennethgriffin]

Inferiority complex at it's best. Whatever mental gymnastics you have to tell yourself, do it meanwhile the rest of humanity understands the obvious.


heres the thing

ask yourself this question.

if each guy had to go up against himself. and the other 2 guys. who would have more success?


prime jordan defended by prime jordan... he would shoot poorly

prime jordan defended by prime lebron... he would shoot poorly

prime jordan defended by prime kobe... he would shoot poorly


prime lebron defended by prime jordan... he would shoot poorly

prime lebron defended by prime lebron... he would shoot poorly

prime lebron defended by prime kobe... he would shoot poorly


however

prime kobe defended by prime jordan... he would shoot well

prime kobe defended by prime lebron... he would shoot well

prime kobe defended by prime kobe... he would shoot well




the problem is.. when MJ played. no one else was like MJ physically. no one could keep up with him. no one could stay infront of him or push him outside for contested shots

same thing for lebron


but as for kobe.. he has never had a physical advantage over the entire league like lebron or mj had

so kobe can go up against himself. or anyone in history and play his game

lebron can't

jordan can't

kobe is an era transitional player. mj and lebron are not

[Marchesk]

kobe is an era transitional player. mj and lebron are not

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

Do you really believe the stuff you post?

[alleykat]

it actually is a verry good skill to have when arguing over era transitional players


say... for example. people dare lebron to shoot in this era. can't breath on him without getting called for a foul. can't go within a few feet of him without getting run over with no charging call or being able to body him up

so lebron is only good in this era. while kobe could transition into any era with even the toughest defense from the absolute best team in nba history guarding him with less rules hurting the defense. or star treatment...due to his ability to hit the toughest shots and make them look normal

kobe can play in any era. past, present or future. lebron is era specific hot garbage


only reason MJ got away with the same treatment was because he had the refs in his back pocket and a watered down expansion era


both mj and lebron can't touch kobe

Not a good look to have in any era at all......why not make a better play?

Argument kind of fails because he is not winning in this era. Good skill to have? Yes...good skill to use? No....

MJ had it, but he knew the difference. MJ made those shots look elementary.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Not a good look to have in any era at all......why not make a better play?
Argument kind of fails because he is not winning in this era. Good skill to have? Yes...good skill to use? No....

MJ had it, but he knew the difference. MJ made those shots look elementary.
Bingo

[senelcoolidge]

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[KyrieTheFuture]

Kobe Bryant doesnt shoot "well" he shoots a decent percentage when he's guarded or not. He's not efficient at all.

[Marchesk]

Despite the criticism of Kobe's lack of efficiency, or chucking as some call it, I'd take his mentality in important games over Lebron's.

This doesn't mean I think Kobe is a better overall player. Lebron is, but that's more a testament to how freakish he is. But give me Kobe's mindset. With Lebron, you never know for sure. Sometimes he's like Mike, and other times he's letting Boris Diaw dictate his game.

For all the criticisms of Kobe, you never hear that he's mentally weak (or shook), that he quit, or is a beta. Nope, Kobe is out to win 100% of the time. I prefer his ultra-competitiveness.

[COnDEMnED]

Then it should be easier for Kobe to drive and finish at the rim.
It was...in his prime.. Guys almost a bag of bones.. give him some respect. You're comparing mid 30s Kobe to prime Lebron. Someone who in my opinion is 6 or so years after his best season.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Despite the criticism of Kobe's lack of efficiency, or chucking as some call it, I'd take his mentality in important games over Lebron's.

This doesn't mean I think Kobe is a better overall player. Lebron is, but that's more a testament to how freakish he is. But give me Kobe's mindset. With Lebron, you never know for sure. Sometimes he's like Mike, and other times he's letting Boris Diaw dictate his game.

For all the criticisms of Kobe, you never hear that he's mentally weak (or shook), that he quit, or is a beta. Nope, Kobe is out to win 100% of the time. I prefer his ultra-competitiveness.
MJ > both

[Marchesk]

MJ > both

Yes, MJ is the GOAT. Or closest thing any player comes to it, since it's subjective.

[Magic 32]

Lebron played the "efficiency game" during the regular season, on a stacked team, with no pressure.

We all saw what happened in the finals to his precious efficiency.

Boris Diaw looked like prime Bruce Bowen out there.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Lebron played the "efficiency game" during the regular season, on a stacked team, with no pressure.

We all saw in the finals what happens to a player when cares too much about efficiency.

Boris Diaw looked like prime Bruce Bowen out there.

So what's your explanation for his ECF performance then?

[K Xerxes]

Lebron played the "efficiency game" during the regular season, on a stacked team, with no pressure.

We all saw what happened in the finals to his precious efficiency.

Boris Diaw looked like prime Bruce Bowen out there.

Shame Boris Diaw couldn't stop LeBron from producing one of the greatest game 7 finals performance of all time to win the series for his team.

[DaSeba5]

Put Magic 32 on your ignore list and save yourself the trouble. He talks about LeBron more than his own stans.

[Magic 32]

Shame Boris Diaw couldn't stop LeBron from producing one of the greatest game 7 finals performance of all time to win the series for his team.

The guy in your avatar would eat Boris Diaw alive.

It would be the first finals series to go 3 games.

[Magic 32]

So what's your explanation for his ECF performance then?

The same way I would explain Kobe's.

[kennethgriffin]

And that's an advantage to Kobe how....? Just shows he has low basketball IQ.


it is definitely low basketball IQ for a guy who doesn't respect his limitations

however. kobe has none offensively

lebron and MJ do have limitations. so they had to play smart

kobe took whatever shot he ever wanted and it resulted in a top 5-6 all time career

so if it aint broke why fix it

maybe kobes just that much better than everyone else ?

[Magic 32]

Put Magic 32 on your ignore list and save yourself the trouble. He talks about LeBron more than his own stans.

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[K Xerxes]

The guy in your avatar would eat Boris Diaw alive.

It would be the first finals series to go 3 games.

Of course, but that is not relevant to my point, is it? I never once claimed LeBron is as good as Jordan.

[Magic 32]

Of course, but that is not relevant to my point, is it? I never once claimed LeBron is as good as Jordan.

Kobe would do the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6DMtJVW9zw

And your praise of Lebron game 7 (succeeding after 6 tries against the most disrespectful defensive strategy of a superstar in NBA finals history), is clearly inflated by your joy of sticking it to Kobe Bryant fans.

[K Xerxes]

Kobe would do the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6DMtJVW9zw

And your praise of Lebron game 7 (succeeding after 6 tries against the most disrespectful defensive strategy of a superstar in NBA finals history), is clearly inflated by your joy of sticking it to Kobe Bryant fans.

Kobe is obviously guarded differently given his superior jumpshot and inferior driving/finishing at the rim. Not to mention that he wouldn't be guarded by Boris Diaw given the positional, height and weight difference. So it's a completely different matchup and, once again, incomparable.

Well, he may have taken 7 games to finally pull of a dominant performance, but it only took him that many tries to pull off a better playoff performance (given the production and magnitude of the moment) than any of Kobe's previous 220 playoff games.

[Magic 32]

Well, he may have taken 7 games to finally pull of a dominant performance, but it only took him that many tries to pull off a better playoff performance (given the production and magnitude of the moment) than any of Kobe's previous 220 playoff games.

What a clever combination of criteria...

Skillfully avioding more impressive statictical dominance in "less important" games...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f42xjUtR39c

and also avioding more impressive examples of will and courage...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4FEFygK1ts

I wonder what Kobe would have done in a game 7, at 28, at home, against an old and broken down Spurs team.

[Unbiased_one]

it



both mj and lebron can't touch kobe

You do realise that Kobe is basically mj but worse at everything?

[Batz]

His point was that if defenders peess up on you it is harder to make jumpers but it makes it easier to drive past them.
No it doesn't. Makes it much more difficult with two guys in front of you practically at all times, and more defensive pressure in the background.

[tazb]

it is definitely low basketball IQ for a guy who doesn't respect his limitations

however. kobe has none offensively

lebron and MJ do have limitations. so they had to play smart

kobe took whatever shot he ever wanted and it resulted in a top 5-6 all time career

so if it aint broke why fix it

maybe kobes just that much better than everyone else ?

Lmao at limitations, show me one thing Kobe can do that LeBron can't. There's a reason why LeBron has a higher career PPG. Why can't Kobe shoot 48%+ for a season?

[9erempiree]

What? How did you get from having two defenders on you to getting to the rim easily? Do you know how basketball works?

no he doesn't.

[9erempiree]

This thread is a testament of how great Kobe is. Just to start a thread about 17th season Kobe to prime Lebron.

This thread is in favor of Kobe to be honest with you. LOL @ people praising Lebron finishing at the rim. Kobe does the same thing. If he did it as often than he would have the same numbers. They are off marginally.

I still take 17th season Kobe over prime Lebron.

This reminds me of people choosing Shaq over old asss MJ but old MJ was better than prime Shaq.

[LikeABosh]

Lebron is better than Kobe, the sky is also blue

[chips93]

And that's an advantage to Kobe how....? Just shows he has low basketball IQ.

thats true

but it shows how these shot location stats dont prove lebron to be a better shooter, as some people might claim.

[Magic 32]

show me one thing Kobe can do that LeBron can't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX2maDOCfdc

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[LongLiveTheKing]

it actually is a verry good skill to have when arguing over era transitional players


say... for example. people dare lebron to shoot in this era. can't breath on him without getting called for a foul. can't go within a few feet of him without getting run over with no charging call or being able to body him up

so lebron is only good in this era. while kobe could transition into any era with even the toughest defense from the absolute best team in nba history guarding him with less rules hurting the defense. or star treatment...due to his ability to hit the toughest shots and make them look normal

kobe can play in any era. past, present or future. lebron is era specific hot garbage


only reason MJ got away with the same treatment was because he had the refs in his back pocket and a watered down expansion era


both mj and lebron can't touch kobe
Is that why he averaged 7 points his rookie year. :confusedshrug:

[tazb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX2maDOCfdc

:roll: :roll: :roll:

http://youtu.be/26YnWnwNmQo

Bonus:

http://youtu.be/RL3ZA0gxEcc

[Magic 32]

http://youtu.be/26YnWnwNmQo

Bonus:

http://youtu.be/RL3ZA0gxEcc

I'm unsurprised that a Lebron fanatic can't recognize plays that involve footwork...:facepalm

Those 2 plays were embarrassing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVR4BU5JL6g

[9erempiree]

Lmao at limitations, show me one thing Kobe can do that LeBron can't.

All time greats like MJ have to have one of these in your collection. This is an underrated alpha male award.

http://www.sneakerfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/kobe-2.jpg

[PickernRoller]

06 LeBron alone was a better player than Kobe was at anytime in his prime.

In his best statistical season and peak-prime play Lebron admitted to being an inferior player to a past-prime Bryant.

Might wanna argue with your boy on which version is correct. :lol

His words render all the comments of his d1cksuckers in this thread irrelevant. Always have been anyway. What I would love to see is his stans going against the words of their idol. That would be priceless, pathetic, comical, ______insert word_________.

[TheReal Kendall]

You got anything like this for Melo, Durant, and Curry?

[Jacks3]

17th year Kobe putting up 27/6/6 on excellent efficiency (57% TS/112 ORTG).

Shot 70% at the rim.

Had the best mid-range numbers in basketball:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0712/grant_bestshooters_1152.jpg

3 triple-doubles.

20 double-doubles

10 40+ pt games.

And you ****ing idiots still hating instead of appreciating how extraordinary this is. 17th year guards shouldn't be doing this. LeBrick sure as hell won't be this good.

****ing morons.

Pathetic.

[backbutblack]

the defense dares lebron to shoot beyond 15 feet. they don't even guard him

while kobe has 1-2 guys in his face every second he passes half court

its like the their 3 point percentages. same thing. kobe takes probably 90% of his threes with a defender on him. while james is much more like mj and rarely takes a defended three

kobe knows he can make around the same percentage as those other 2 guys with pressure on him

while james and mj would shoot 25% if they had the kind of looks kobe takes on the regular from distance


then kobe should have more assists, but he doesnt

[alleykat]

All time greats like MJ have to have one of these in your collection. This is an underrated alpha male award.

http://www.sneakerfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/kobe-2.jpg

All you need is a car to jump over or a cape to win one...
Looks like Kobe was just playing with an all time great and they didnt win..

Another black mark on the resume

[Jacks3]

17th year Kobe putting up 27/6/6 on excellent efficiency (57% TS/112 ORTG).

Shot 70% at the rim.

Had the best mid-range numbers in basketball:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0712/grant_bestshooters_1152.jpg

3 triple-doubles.

20 double-doubles

10 40+ pt games.

And you ****ing idiots still hating instead of appreciating how extraordinary this is. 17th year guards shouldn't be doing this. LeBrick sure as hell won't be this good.

****ing morons.

Pathetic.
Best mid-range player of all time. :bowdown:

[PickernRoller]

lol if u actually think lebron thinks kobe is better than him u must have brain damage

It's not a matter of what I think. It's a matter of what he has said. Considering Lebron said so in the best statistical season Lebron ever had, playing at his best - there is no more to it. That pretty much seals it for the fanboy wars.

I don't need to even think or argue. Lebron said it for me to seal the deal.

[9erempiree]

All you need is a car to jump over or a cape to win one...
Looks like Kobe was just playing with an all time great and they didnt win..

Another black mark on the resume

Sorry dude but Kobe, MJ, Dominique and VC never needed props. 4 of the best dunkers in history.

[AintNoSunshine]

heres the thing

ask yourself this question.

if each guy had to go up against himself. and the other 2 guys. who would have more success?


prime jordan defended by prime jordan... he would shoot poorly

prime jordan defended by prime lebron... he would shoot poorly

prime jordan defended by prime kobe... he would shoot poorly


prime lebron defended by prime jordan... he would shoot poorly

prime lebron defended by prime lebron... he would shoot poorly

prime lebron defended by prime kobe... he would shoot poorly


however

prime kobe defended by prime jordan... he would shoot well

prime kobe defended by prime lebron... he would shoot well

prime kobe defended by prime kobe... he would shoot well




the problem is.. when MJ played. no one else was like MJ physically. no one could keep up with him. no one could stay infront of him or push him outside for contested shots

same thing for lebron


but as for kobe.. he has never had a physical advantage over the entire league like lebron or mj had

so kobe can go up against himself. or anyone in history and play his game

lebron can't

jordan can't

kobe is an era transitional player. mj and lebron are not



:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

That's like the pinnacle of stupidity in human history

[CanYouDigIt]

I made this thread to talk about Kobe and Lebron, not Jordan and Diaw. :facepalm

[alleykat]

Sorry dude but Kobe, MJ, Dominique and VC never needed props. 4 of the best dunkers in history.

Sorry dude, but kobe has never the been one of the best dunkers in history...and u saying top4?

Nice try tho

[9erempiree]

Sorry dude, but kobe has never the been one of the best dunkers in history...and u saying top4?

Nice try tho

You must have just started watching basketball like most kids on here.

[alleykat]

You must have just started watching basketball like most kids on here.

Nice try tho....I got years over u son...
Jrich already knocks him out of the top 4

[LongLiveTheKing]

You must have just started watching basketball like most kids on here.
Lol that dunk contest sucked. Chris Carr (who?) got second place. :lol

[Bandito]

His point was that if defenders peess up on you it is harder to make jumpers but it makes it easier to drive past them.
Is this a real post? Have you ever played basketball in your life? It is very hard to make it past two defenders, even harder making the pass out of a double team. You have two guys on you and they are cutting you field of vision, not even counting the stress of having to dribble the ball and trying to shoot it in the hoop or finiding an open teammate. THe way people like Melo, Kobe or Lebron does it is why they get payed the big bucks.