Biogenesis saying there are some NBA players using PEDs

[DuMa]

Fischer said he and associates have identified athletes from the NBA, NCAA, professional boxing, tennis and MMA, in addition to other professional baseball players who have not yet been identified.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9508288/biogenesis-whistleblower-broke-open-scandal-says-ncaa-mma-nba-other-athletes-used-clinic-mlb-investigation

here comes the witchhunt.

Will the NBA even care to try to find who?

[TylerOO]

I also read it has no big time players in it, so I doubt we hear much about this. Scrubs like Rashard already got caught cheating and no one cared.

[DetroitPistonFan]

Stern will not mention LeBron and Dwyane Wade. He's gonna protect them and his product.

[Magic 32]

Stern will not mention LeBron and Dwyane Wade. He's gonna protect them and his product.

Sad but true.

Lebron is as non-ridiculous a PED candidate as you can find.

[MavsSuperFan]

At this point I have accepted all pro and high level amateur athletes dope.

[aj1987]

Sad but true.

Lebron is as non-ridiculous a PED candidate as you can find.
You must have a sad sad life. All you can think about 24/7 is Lebron.

[Marchesk]

At this point I have accepted all pro and high level amateur athletes dope.

Pretty much. At this point, I'm curious as to who can compete at a high level without cheating. Surely there is someone left, right?

[ballup]

My money is on T Prince Jr.

[chocolatethunder]

My money is on T Prince Jr.
If this is meant to be a joke you obviously have no idea what PEDs are used for.

[Magic 32]

You must have a sad sad life. All you can think about 24/7 is Lebron.

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles/2774/20130605/lebron-james-steroids-miami-heat-star-implicated-ped-scandal-former-anthony-bosch.htm

[NumberSix]

Lebron and Wade.

[b1imtf]

Dwight's the worst

[KyleKong]

Dirk

[kNicKz]

What city was this clinic located in again?

[2LeTTeRS]

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles/2774/20130605/lebron-james-steroids-miami-heat-star-implicated-ped-scandal-former-anthony-bosch.htm

If there's something to it expect to hear more about it. I personally don't put it past anybody at this point.

[KyleKong]

What city was this clinic located in again?

:lol

Well, at least we know Carmelo's puggy ass isn't abusing.

But in all seriousness if Olympics would have caught star players by now from juicing. They don't **** around with that shit and David Stern can't protect them.

[kNicKz]

Well, at least we know Carmelo's puggy ass isn't abusing.



It's a bad thing that he is an all natural athlete?

Wade's jaw is the size of Delaware

[SilkkTheShocker]

:lol

Well, at least we know Carmelo's puggy ass isn't abusing.

But in all seriousness if Olympics would have caught star players by now from juicing. They don't **** around with that shit and David Stern can't protect them.


:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

owned

[2LeTTeRS]

It's a bad thing that he is an all natural athlete?

Wade's jaw is the size of Delaware

He's had a weirdly shaped face his entire life though, unless we think he started juicing in elementary school >>>>

http://www.palmbeach.k12.fl.us/CongressMS/0910stuwk/muhanadGAA/images/wade-kid%5B1%5D.jpg

[kNicKz]

http://www.lightlybraisedturnip.com/storage/sports/121009-wade-jaw-graph10K.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1355724077 285

http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/09/30/110930112115899325.jpg

[HurricaneKid]

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles/2774/20130605/lebron-james-steroids-miami-heat-star-implicated-ped-scandal-former-anthony-bosch.htm

This might be the worst journalim ever. Someone that once worked thinks that someone she didn't know and couldn't even say his name was buying for someone that never came in and HAD DIFFERENT INITIALS, but she was sure it was LeBron. This has got to be a joke.

In other words there is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.

Its bad enough baseball players are getting strung up based on someone having written their name on a piece of notebook paper. But this?? C'mon.

[Magic 32]

This might be the worst journalim ever. Someone that once worked thinks that someone she didn't know and couldn't even say his name was buying for someone that never came in and HAD DIFFERENT INITIALS, but she was sure it was LeBron. This has got to be a joke.

In other words there is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.

Its bad enough baseball players are getting strung up based on someone having written their name on a piece of notebook paper. But this?? C'mon.

http://letschickchat.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Denial.jpg

[ZenMaster]

Tons of players use PEDs, they play so many games in such a long season and so much money is on the line.

So far they haven't even been testing for it in the NBA, as an athlete why WOULDN'T you do it?

[IncarceratedBob]

Kobe probably went to Germany to undertake the biogenesis procedure known as Cadlotrokisis, basically you take muscle cells from other people and biogenetate your muscles, making them stronger. Which is why he had a resurgence this year. It's not illegal or banned by the nba.

[Solefade]

Sad but true.

Lebron is as non-ridiculous a PED candidate as you can find.


if LeBron's been using PEDs then he's been using it since he was in middle school and no one ever caught him.













dumbass.

[Magic 32]

if LeBron's been using PEDs then he's been using it since he was in middle school and no one ever caught him.













dumbass.

http://letschickchat.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Denial.jpg

http://thenetworth.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/lebron-high-school.jpg
http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/headlines/2013/05/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-shirtless-miami-men.jpg

[Sarcastic]

:lol

Well, at least we know Carmelo's puggy ass isn't abusing.

But in all seriousness if Olympics would have caught star players by now from juicing. They don't **** around with that shit and David Stern can't protect them.


The Olympics did a great job with Lance Armstrong. :rolleyes:

[tazb]

MWP returned from a knee injury that was supposed to take 6-8 weeks in 10 days. Kobe is apparently returning first game back from an injury that's supposed to take 10-12 months. If he returns first game that would be only 6 months, minimum 4 months early. If that aint suspicious, I don't know what is.

[Magic 32]

MWP returned from a knee injury that was supposed to take 6-8 weeks in 10 days. Kobe is apparently returning first game back from an injury that's supposed to take 10-12 months. If he returns first game that would be only 6 months, minimum 4 months early. If that aint suspicious, I don't know what is.

Not getting injured at all is more suspicious.

[tazb]

Not getting injured at all is more suspicious.

But I thought PEDs and steroids make you more injury prone? :lol

[GOBB]

What needs to be explained is what drugs are illegal. Why they are illegal. The idea is people throw around "cheater" on players even without any evidence. Guilty until proven innocent and if innocent I still feel you are guilty is how some fans operate sadly.

Anyway my point is these drugs that are banned need to be explained. Because some guys get busted for using drugs that dont make their performance better rather allows them to recover from injury faster. A player who takes a banned substance that does that is the same as a player who takes drugs that actually helps them perform?

All we hear is a guy tested positive but nothing of the drug is revealed so we can understand what it is, why it was taken and how it helps a player enough to be considered "cheating". Honestly I dont fault athletes for taking stuff that allows them to recover from injuries faster, to help subside pain from an injury they have etc etc.

But still I dont have much knowledge of whats illegal, why and the true effects. Educating fans on drugs needs to be addressed. The way stuff is put out there you think these were labs where guys take a green and blue pill on some Bourne shyt. :confusedshrug:

[kennethgriffin]

Biogenesis saying there are some NBA players using PEDs


http://i41.tinypic.com/xljaf7.gif

[GOBB]

MWP returned from a knee injury that was supposed to take 6-8 weeks in 10 days. Kobe is apparently returning first game back from an injury that's supposed to take 10-12 months. If he returns first game that would be only 6 months, minimum 4 months early. If that aint suspicious, I don't know what is.

How is that "cheating"? Whats suspicious about it? These guys get paid multi million dollar deals. Fans like you bash them for being overpaid, making too much, should take a paycut as you play mega millions in hope you one day can strike it rich. Yet guys are rushing back from injury faster than expected and people are alarmed? Maybe he should sit out the entire season like Bynum. Wait then you'd be bashing him like you did Derrick Rose who took this path.

You fans cant have it every way.

[GOBB]

http://thenetworth.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/lebron-high-school.jpg
http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/headlines/2013/05/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-shirtless-miami-men.jpg

Post a photo of you as a teenager. Then as a grown ass man.

He's a pro athlete. They have state of the art facilities, doctors, physicians, trainers some even personal. Own chefs. Yeah its hard to fathom anyone as a broke teenager getting bigger as they grow and are exposed to such things. :rolleyes:

[Burgz V2]

Orlando had two players already busted (Turkoglu and R.Lewis.) I wouldn't be surprised if more players who either live or play in Florida are involved.

I'm looking at you South Beach.

[DaSeba5]

People are dying for it to be LeBron and Wade. I swear the Heat really get people's jimmies rustled on here 24/7. God forbid they can't just be good players who work hard.

[NumberSix]

I personally don't care if anyone takes something that makes them heal from injury faster.

[Green8]

Who gives a s? The whole country takes every pill there is, but when athletes take juice to stay healthy(82games/season with 40min mpg or whatever) + entertaining(everyone expects them to get bigger faster stronger with each season) all of a sudden he's a bad person? get real

[alexd]

every athlete uses PEDs.you have to be naive to believe otherwise.you can say from a morally point of you that is cheating and stupid cause is bad for you health.But most of NBA players were really poor growing up and if u told them take them and u secure your life and your family for life they would do it without hesitation.I would do it too.But to be the best you can t count on PEDs alone.you have to practice and have put hours and hours on the gym.Its not like some use better drugs than others.They all use the same more or less buts it s their DNA,their genes and their effort that set them apart
And many people say that if they use PEDs they would be caught at the olympics .First of all USA is playing in the Olympics with the condition that they ll use their own labs doctors for tests etc so its the same thing
And you ll never hear about a superstar that uses PDEs cause its bad advertisement for the league.And those who are caught messed up.Everyone knows more or less when they ll be tested so they stop them and then re use them

[Euroleague]

It's absolutely amazing that anyone could be so naive and dumb to think NBA players don't use PEDs.

[Blue&Orange]

every athlete uses PEDs.you have to be naive to believe otherwise.
people that say this crap, are in denial.

[Marchesk]

The Olympics did a great job with Lance Armstrong. :rolleyes:

And Carl Lewis. And the current crop of Jamaican sprinters. No way they're clean.

[Solefade]

http://letschickchat.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Denial.jpg

http://thenetworth.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/lebron-high-school.jpg
http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/headlines/2013/05/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-shirtless-miami-men.jpg



This is why you're such a huge dumbass.

[Euroleague]

:lol

Well, at least we know Carmelo's puggy ass isn't abusing.

But in all seriousness if Olympics would have caught star players by now from juicing. They don't **** around with that shit and David Stern can't protect them.

Where do people come up with this myth?

The Olympics itself says it CANNOT test for any designer PEDs. It does NOT test for designer PEDs.

[9erempiree]

I have already broke news on this. You guys are one week late. The mods thought to delete my thread.

:facepalm

[alexd]

people that say this crap, are in denial.

talk to me when you start playing professional basketball or know anyone who plays professionally.Cause i know many people that do or are on the way to do so and they start them from college nowdays.My brother is a chemist and he was at the 2004 Olympics anti-doping control,They caught a 16 year old girl that had used so many PDEs that they called her parents to warn them she might not live many years if she keeps going at this rate

[Euroleague]

I have already broke news on this. You guys are one week late. The mods thought to delete my thread.

:facepalm

Let's just say it straight out, kblaze and realmenweargreen deleted it. Those two just never stop.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Kobe is a far more likely candidate for PED use than LeBron James is. Same with Metta. You just don't recover from injury like that without help. Not that I have a problem with, I believe it should be legal, but there's more curious things about Kobe than LeBron when it comes to speculation.

[Frozen1]

I'm 100% sure players like lebron, kobe and wade take hgh. How is kobe supposed to recover so fast?

[GOBB]

I'm 100% sure players like lebron, kobe and wade take hgh. How is kobe supposed to recover so fast?

Injury time table was set 6-9 months for his injury. He got injured in April. If he returns opening night that would be 7 months it took him to recover. Its not like he blew his Achilles then returned the following month. :confusedshrug:

[The Choken One]

At this point I have accepted all pro and high level amateur athletes dope.
This.

You'd have to be retarded to honestly believe the NBA and all other pro sports are clean.

[Magic 32]

This is why you're such a huge dumbass.

http://www.terrariaonline.com/attachments/u-mad-jpg.19077/

[Flash31]

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9508288/biogenesis-whistleblower-broke-open-scandal-says-ncaa-mma-nba-other-athletes-used-clinic-mlb-investigation

here comes the witchhunt.

Will the NBA even care to try to find who?


well lets see mlb had their scandal

Obvious big stars with question marks

Rafeal Nadal,LeBron James,Dwight Howard,JJ Redick,Griffin,alot of UFC stars,A huge lot of NFL players
I mean 300 pound linemen running 4.5 40s,jumping 40 inches,Adrian Peterson,Athletes gaining 15-20 pounds of muscle in a span of couple of months(regardless what you call it,bulking putting on weight,thats beyond incredible and suspicous)
Those extremely quick healing times from major injuries,
MWP came back in 3 weeks what would have taken several months
Manny Pacquiao you dont go up in weight,somehow get faster,stronger,and increase your power and then on top of that deny stricter and random drug tests(thats beyond suspicion)



There are probably a crapload of athletes using that haven't gotten caught

Lance Armstrong went 15 years without getting caught,Marion Jones was leaving people in the dust for years,

The top 4 Jaimacans besides Usain were all busted and hes way faster

Over 85% of cyclists have gotten busted for using

There are billions of dollars at stake here,money talks

It took Oprah,hundreds of lawyers,over a decade,hundreds off testimonies and people to catch Armstrong

There are way bigger stars than Armstrong who might be using and the ones that are,its going to take a whole hell of a lot to find them

the ones they do catch will end up having serious implications on the league and other sports

[Blue&Orange]

talk to me when you start playing professional basketball or know anyone who plays professionally.Cause i know many people that do or are on the way to do so and they start them from college nowdays.My brother is a chemist and he was at the 2004 Olympics anti-doping control,They caught a 16 year old girl that had used so many PDEs that they called her parents to warn them she might not live many years if she keeps going at this rate
I'm best friends with all NBA players, they tell me everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF8Q5bwCLyE

Melo's ped's must have gone to his ass.

[GrapeApe]

people that say this crap, are in denial.

Denial of what? We've reached the point where nobody is free of suspicion. Saying "every athlete is on PED's" may be an exaggeration, but it's not far fetched to assume the PED users outnumber the clean. Personally, I say let them use whatever the hell they want. Athletes have been putting things in their bodies to gain an edge since the beginning of modern athletics. The PED controversy is largely a media creation. It snowballed after Mark McGuire was discovered using andro while breaking the HR record. Players had been using PED's for years but that's when the media decided to run with the story.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The NBA should be actively trying to find out who Bosch is talking about and how strong the evidence he can provide is. The names are going to come out anyway, they might as well get ahead of it.

[Flash31]

And Carl Lewis. And the current crop of Jamaican sprinters. No way they're clean.


lewis was clearly dirty

During the Jonson-Lewis races,BOTH OF THEM TESTED Positive
The Americans swept Lewis's results away while they were trying to catch every star not from the US

Back in the 60s,70s,80s a lot of countries were using and their stars,Americans for sure but they were sweeping a lot of their test results away

The Russians got caught,but the Americans at that time were developing even stronger peds than the Russians to one up them,and theyve been succeeding by any means necessary

The sport of cycling alone had over so many ped users,they couldnt even give the medal to the next place finishers and they didnt know who to give it to after they stripped Armstrong so they left the winners vacant.

[Kuma]

http://thenetworth.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/lebron-high-school.jpg
http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/headlines/2013/05/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-shirtless-miami-men.jpg

For a guy that is 6ft 8 with good genetics, that sort of build is not unattainable at all, especially for someone who has been training for 10+ years with great coaches etc.

All this proves is that you've never worked out a day in your life.

[Magic 32]

Denial of what? We've reached the point where nobody is free of suspicion. Saying "every athlete is on PED's" may be an exaggeration, but it's not far fetched to assume the PED users outnumber the clean. Personally, I say let them use whatever the hell they want. Athletes have been putting things in their bodies to gain an edge since the beginning of modern athletics. The PED controversy is largely a media creation. It snowballed after Mark McGuire was discovered using andro while breaking the HR record. Players had been using PED's for years but that's when the media decided to run with the story.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/HEALTH/07/19/unicef.hiv.eastern.europe/t1larg.odessa.gi.jpg

[Magic 32]

For a guy that is 6ft 8 with good genetics, that sort of build is not unattainable at all, especially for someone who has been training for 10+ years with great coaches etc.

All this proves is that you've never worked out a day in your life.

Just countering a stupid defense.

Anyway, James is on PED. Period.

You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

[chocolatethunder]

But I thought PEDs and steroids make you more injury prone? :lol
I know you're joking but they can in some ways. For instance my friend ( a pro baseball player) ripped his hamstring off of his hip. This was from lifting too much weight and is an injury often associated with steroids. In other words, it doesn't happen to many people who aren't juicing because they aren't strong enough to lift a weight that could cause this to happen. Of course they are used for recovery too but they can lead to quirky injuries like that.

[Blue&Orange]

Denial of what? We've reached the point where nobody is free of suspicion. Saying "every athlete is on PED's" may be an exaggeration, but it's not far fetched to assume the PED users outnumber the clean. Personally, I say let them use whatever the hell they want. Athletes have been putting things in their bodies to gain an edge since the beginning of modern athletics. The PED controversy is largely a media creation. It snowballed after Mark McGuire was discovered using andro while breaking the HR record. Players had been using PED's for years but that's when the media decided to run with the story.
Denial.

[chocolatethunder]

How is that "cheating"? Whats suspicious about it? These guys get paid multi million dollar deals. Fans like you bash them for being overpaid, making too much, should take a paycut as you play mega millions in hope you one day can strike it rich. Yet guys are rushing back from injury faster than expected and people are alarmed? Maybe he should sit out the entire season like Bynum. Wait then you'd be bashing him like you did Derrick Rose who took this path.

You fans cant have it every way.
I am a runner and follow professional tack and field which is another sport rife with PED abuse. I also know people who play or played in the NFL, NBA and MLB. Coming back from an injury like Kobe's is extremely suspicious if he's able to do that in that timeframe at his age. It just is. HGH, which they don't test for in the NBA could help you do that in that time for sure. I'm not saying that he's doing that but based on what I know from the athletes whom I know personally, it's definitely a strong possibility. I'm not saying this as an indictment of Kobe personally, I'm saying that it should raise eyebrows like a dude with cancer winning the tour de france or Clemens pitching 95 mph at 40. It's unlikely that it would be possible.

[HurricaneKid]

http://letschickchat.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Denial.jpg

I'm not even saying anyone is clean. I am saying if you want to launch accusations you better have something better than someone says some guy picks something up for a guy that has different initials than the guy I am accusing.

[tikay0]

:lol

Well, at least we know Carmelo's puggy ass isn't abusing.

But in all seriousness if Olympics would have caught star players by now from juicing. They don't **** around with that shit and David Stern can't protect them.

You do know that you can fail to show up for a random blood test up to 3x right? The amount of time that the NBA players are in the Olympics, they'd be gone by then.

Victor Conte said you'd have to want to get caught, if the Olympic committee caught you.

[jzek]

Wade's jaw is definitely a side-effect.

[tikay0]

Post a photo of you as a teenager. Then as a grown ass man.

He's a pro athlete. They have state of the art facilities, doctors, physicians, trainers some even personal. Own chefs. Yeah its hard to fathom anyone as a broke teenager getting bigger as they grow and are exposed to such things. :rolleyes:

You seem to not realize why he posted those pics huh? Too many dense people on this site.

[PickernRoller]

http://letschickchat.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Denial.jpg

:lol

[PickernRoller]

Wade's jaw is definitely a side-effect.

So is Lebron's.

http://www.cavsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/picture-2.png

[Solefade]

You seem to not realize why he posted those pics huh? Too many dense people on this site.

You're just as dumb as Magic_32 to defend him.

He posted a picture of 17 year old LeBron to a 27/28 year old LeBron. What kind of ****ing conclusive evidence can you get from that that determines he's taking steroids?

[Kuma]

Just countering a stupid defense.

Anyway, James is on PED. Period.

You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

By making a stupid counter? Good idea.

My point was that using an eye test is a terrible way to determine PED use, especially when you compare a teenager to a grown man with years of training.

I'm doubting your use of evidence, not your claim.

[Magic 32]

You're just as dumb as Magic_32 to defend him.

He posted a picture of 17 year old LeBron to a 27/28 year old LeBron. What kind of ****ing conclusive evidence can you get from that that determines he's taking steroids?


Originally Posted by Solefade
if LeBron's been using PEDs then he's been using it since he was in middle school and no one ever caught him.


:rolleyes:

[LA_Showtime]

I wouldn't be surprised if guys like LeBron were using steroids but honestly I don't really care. If someone told me I could take a pill or a shot and guarantee myself millions of dollars I would be a fool to say no. These guys are professional athletes and this business is extremely competitive. That leads me to believe most if not all players would be willing to take the risks associated with performance enhancing substances to gain an edge on the competition. Don't underestimate what people will do for money, prestige, and fame.

[Odinn]

For the ones which sick of that Magic 32 idiot.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=21745
Enjoy the rest of the day.

[Magic 32]

For the ones which sick of that Magic 32 idiot.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=21745
Enjoy the rest of the day.

http://assets.inarkansas.com/21610/family-chatter-january-2012-practice-what-you-preach-candy-eating-healthy-nutrition.jpg

[GrapeApe]

Denial.

Again, denial of what? I acknowledged that many if not a majority of athletes are using something, but I also said that people claiming they ALL use is an exaggeration. You may not share my opinion that the controversy is largely media driven or that athletes should be allowed to use PED's, as I may be in the minority there. However, it's safe to assume that a lot of athletes who would never garner suspicion are in fact using (ie Rashard Lewis). My main point is that no one is above suspicion.

[DKLaker]

Stern will not mention LeBron and Dwyane Wade. He's gonna protect them and his product.

Obvious, isn't it.

[GOBB]

You seem to not realize why he posted those pics huh? Too many dense people on this site.

Explain then idiot

[GOBB]

I am a runner and follow professional tack and field which is another sport rife with PED abuse. I also know people who play or played in the NFL, NBA and MLB. Coming back from an injury like Kobe's is extremely suspicious if he's able to do that in that timeframe at his age. It just is. HGH, which they don't test for in the NBA could help you do that in that time for sure. I'm not saying that he's doing that but based on what I know from the athletes whom I know personally, it's definitely a strong possibility. I'm not saying this as an indictment of Kobe personally, I'm saying that it should raise eyebrows like a dude with cancer winning the tour de france or Clemens pitching 95 mph at 40. It's unlikely that it would be possible.

I hear what you're saying. I cant argue otherwise or really disagree that it could raise suspicion. I guess my point is I wouldnt care if someone like Kobe cheated to get back on the court faster after suffering an injury. I dont know enough about PEDs, HGH and so forth to go any deeper. Which is why I would like outside the lines or someone to attempt to educate the ignorant fan like myself. I dont look at an athlete different or lesser if they found ways to recover faster.

[Straight_Ballin]

At least we know the WWE is clean.

[Lebron23]

Magic32 is an idiot. The guy is probably the most useless poster in this forum.

[deja vu]

LOL at all these idiots condoning steroid and PED use. :lol

[coin24]

:facepalm how can you compare a pic of a guy at 16 to when he's like 28:lol :facepalm I swear some people on here have never stepped foot inside a gym, maybe even never leave there nerd stations..
I'd say the majority of athletes are on PEDs now, and they start a lot younger now..

[TheCorporation]

What city was this clinic located in again?

New York

Can't you see Melo taking full advantage:

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2013/03/08/anthony_knicks.jpg

[chocolatethunder]

I hear what you're saying. I cant argue otherwise or really disagree that it could raise suspicion. I guess my point is I wouldnt care if someone like Kobe cheated to get back on the court faster after suffering an injury. I dont know enough about PEDs, HGH and so forth to go any deeper. Which is why I would like outside the lines or someone to attempt to educate the ignorant fan like myself. I dont look at an athlete different or lesser if they found ways to recover faster.
Well, I'll try to explain some stuff quickly just to give you an idea. The main thing about PEDs (like for basketball or baseball or football not running or cycling) is quick recovery. Meaning that you can get stronger quicker because you can recover faster. So instead of working a muscle group once a week you can now work that same muscle group three times a week or whatever. So that the PEDs don't make you ripped or bulky but if you wanna do that you can do it easier and much faster. Some athletes use it for recovery just from a normal routine. Say if you did plyos twice a week to improve your lateral quickness and vertical leap. Well now you can do them four times a week and see much greater improvements. You don't have to lift or look bulky. It's nothing like that at all. Of course you can do that if you want to. So you can use them to aid in your recovery from a workout or from an injury. The thought is this. When you are on the level of being in the NBA or NFL or professional cycling or running etc, that at the top, the talent level is essentially the same. So you have to look for that extra to separate you from the next guy. The only thing is that most of them are doing it so the playing field is actually almost leveled. Like what Armstrong said about cycling. If all of the top riders are doing it then you have to do it in order to compete. That's how you know when people are cheating. If a great sprinter gets busted like Tyson Gay just did and Asafa Powell as well then you know that it's a pretty safe bet that anyone who has run as fast as them or faster is on something. Why do you know that? Because if you are cheating and you're running a 9.7 and someone is running a 9.5 there is no way that they can be clean and beat a cheater. It's just not possible. That's how everyone with a brain always knew armstrong was doping. So many other top riders had gotten busted for doping that it would be impossible to believe that someone clean could somehow be superhuman and be able to beat all the dopers. It's not possible. So anyway back to basketball. A guy Kobe's age coming back from an injury that is so devastating and coming back so early is a huge red flag. It just doesn't add up. In addition, the league doesn't test for HGH so there's no incentive not to use it. Baseball doesn't test for it yet so everyone in baseball is still juiced to the gills. Guys like Wade and Howard and LBJ are suspicious to me outwardly because of their appearance. And if you see someone in their late 20's or 30's getting braces that is another red flag. But there are plenty of guys you would never suspect (because of his physique) like Rashard Lewis. The bottom line is this. There are literally millions of dollars at stake and if PEDs were standing in the way of you and millions of dollars what would you do? You'd take them because if you didn't, the next guy will. Also, the league (like all other leagues) wants to turn a blind eye to it because the more explosive and exciting the product is the more revenue there will be. Look at the era w McGuire and Sosa and Bonds. Guys were crushing HRs and they looked like body builders. You literally had to be a blind moron not to know that they were juicing and the league acted shocked when all of this came to light. It was bs. Those years were great for baseball and got a lot of people back into the sport who were pissed off about the strike.

[AirFederer]

Excellent post!:applause:


Well, I'll try to explain some stuff quickly just to give you an idea. The main thing about PEDs (like for basketball or baseball or football not running or cycling) is quick recovery. Meaning that you can get stronger quicker because you can recover faster. So instead of working a muscle group once a week you can now work that same muscle group three times a week or whatever. So that the PEDs don't make you ripped or bulky but if you wanna do that you can do it easier and much faster. Some athletes use it for recovery just from a normal routine. Say if you did plyos twice a week to improve your lateral quickness and vertical leap. Well now you can do them four times a week and see much greater improvements. You don't have to lift or look bulky. It's nothing like that at all. Of course you can do that if you want to. So you can use them to aid in your recovery from a workout or from an injury. The thought is this. When you are on the level of being in the NBA or NFL or professional cycling or running etc, that at the top, the talent level is essentially the same. So you have to look for that extra to separate you from the next guy. The only thing is that most of them are doing it so the playing field is actually almost leveled. Like what Armstrong said about cycling. If all of the top riders are doing it then you have to do it in order to compete. That's how you know when people are cheating. If a great sprinter gets busted like Tyson Gay just did and Asafa Powell as well then you know that it's a pretty safe bet that anyone who has run as fast as them or faster is on something. Why do you know that? Because if you are cheating and you're running a 9.7 and someone is running a 9.5 there is no way that they can be clean and beat a cheater. It's just not possible. That's how everyone with a brain always knew armstrong was doping. So many other top riders had gotten busted for doping that it would be impossible to believe that someone clean could somehow be superhuman and be able to beat all the dopers. It's not possible. So anyway back to basketball. A guy Kobe's age coming back from an injury that is so devastating and coming back so early is a huge red flag. It just doesn't add up. In addition, the league doesn't test for HGH so there's no incentive not to use it. Baseball doesn't test for it yet so everyone in baseball is still juiced to the gills. Guys like Wade and Howard and LBJ are suspicious to me outwardly because of their appearance. And if you see someone in their late 20's or 30's getting braces that is another red flag. But there are plenty of guys you would never suspect (because of his physique) like Rashard Lewis. The bottom line is this. There are literally millions of dollars at stake and if PEDs were standing in the way of you and millions of dollars what would you do? You'd take them because if you didn't, the next guy will. Also, the league (like all other leagues) wants to turn a blind eye to it because the more explosive and exciting the product is the more revenue there will be. Look at the era w McGuire and Sosa and Bonds. Guys were crushing HRs and they looked like body builders. You literally had to be a blind moron not to know that they were juicing and the league acted shocked when all of this came to light. It was bs. Those years were great for baseball and got a lot of people back into the sport who were pissed off about the strike.

[outbreak]

ididots need to stop arguing about who is and isn't using these products. It isn't all about muscle and recovering from injuries you know?

[Magic 32]

Magic32 is an idiot. The guy is probably the most useless poster in this forum.

I'm flattered.

Looks like I'm finally getting through to Lebrontards.

[Tking714]

PEDs are everywhere accept it. Michael Jordan took 2 years off to "Play Baseball"

[Soundwave]

Ruh-roh

http://cms.interaksyon.com/interaktv/assets/2012/06/lebron-wade-game-5.jpg

[fiddy]

New York


:facepalm
Retard


Porter Fischer, the former Biogenesis of Miami clinic employee who turned boxes of documents over to the Miami New Times last year, declined to name the athletes.

You cant read 2 full sentences? :facepalm

[tomtucker]

Hope D-Rose still can buy some boxes of the stuff

[DuMa]

So many people already calling out names like they know something about it. Quite sad how no one wants to believe these guys attain their physiques, stamina, explosion through hard work and through thorough work ethic. Until someone is identified and punished from the league (like Rashard and Hedo), I see no reason to call their names like you actually know they have done PEDs. You're just assuming so because you hate their game.

[tikay0]

Explain then idiot

The poster that he was responding to said, and I'm paraphrasing, "if Lebron's using, then he'd have to have been using since 16, and no one knew about it."

To me, that sounds like Lebron was just as beastly at 16 as he is now, relative to age.

Magic 32 posts a pic of a 16 year old Lebron, and it looks like a normal, athletic 16 year old kid that plays basketball. Not some beastly kid that looks like he's on roids.

How you guys didn't get the reference, I don't know.

Again. Why I called you guys dense. :rolleyes:

[tikay0]

LOL at all these idiots condoning steroid and PED use. :lol

Funny isn't it? Has even a hint of something to do with Lebron, and its all good, JUST IN CASE Lebron gets popped.

Let this even hint towards Rose, and these flea bags are blowing this thread through the roof.

[sundizz]

The poster that he was responding to said, and I'm paraphrasing, "if Lebron's using, then he'd have to have been using since 16, and no one knew about it."

To me, that sounds like Lebron was just as beastly at 16 as he is now, relative to age.

Magic 32 posts a pic of a 16 year old Lebron, and it looks like a normal, athletic 16 year old kid that plays basketball. Not some beastly kid that looks like he's on roids.

How you guys didn't get the reference, I don't know.

Again. Why I called you guys dense. :rolleyes:

Lebron at 16 had a NBA ready beady. 6'8 and 240. He even still looked skinny. It's weird that normal people get so huge after high school without using steroids, but we question it happens to NBA players.

Do any of you remember how you looked at 16, compared to now. I was 5'1 95 pounds on my license picture and now I'm 5'8 158. It is just normal for people to become huge. Same with college...I am so much bigger now than what I was after my freshmen and sophomore year of college. Junior year is when I really got my 'adult' body.

[Sham]

Biogenesis was in Miami, right? Hmmmm......

[GOBB]

Appreciate the post Chocoate Thunder (typing that name makes
Me feel awkward now lol)


Tikiya, Tahitian treat. I didn't follow the line of posts. I saw him reply with two photos and implying he was using.

[tikay0]

Lebron at 16 had a NBA ready beady. 6'8 and 240. He even still looked skinny. It's weird that normal people get so huge after high school without using steroids, but we question it happens to NBA players.

Do any of you remember how you looked at 16, compared to now. I was 5'1 95 pounds on my license picture and now I'm 5'8 158. It is just normal for people to become huge. Same with college...I am so much bigger now than what I was after my freshmen and sophomore year of college. Junior year is when I really got my 'adult' body.

I completely understand this, but if you're going to mention a 16 year old lebron, and saying that he looked like a roid head back then, then I'd expect a 16 year old that looks unnaturally fit.

Hence, why magic posted those pics. You guys still aren't getting this?

[ZenMaster]

So many people already calling out names like they know something about it. Quite sad how no one wants to believe these guys attain their physiques, stamina, explosion through hard work and through thorough work ethic. Until someone is identified and punished from the league (like Rashard and Hedo), I see no reason to call their names like you actually know they have done PEDs. You're just assuming so because you hate their game.

Even if you juice you have to work very hard, "all" these guys juice, you just have to use common sense while being some what informed.

These guys plays 82 games in the regular season while traveling all over the country, recovery is king.

Probably around 90% of NBA players use or have used in order to grov more in high school and college. And I know you want to say that it has to be proved ie them getting caught and so on, but the NBA does not test for it.

You are in denial if you can't see it, in a sport where size is a great attribute and somebody tells a high school player about the effects of this drug while mentioning side effects like bigger hands(!!!), he can't help but want it.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Funny isn't it? Has even a hint of something to do with Lebron, and its all good, JUST IN CASE Lebron gets popped.

Let this even hint towards Rose, and these flea bags are blowing this thread through the roof.

Rose has more estrogen in his system than most 15 year old girls. We don't ever have to worry about him on roids.

[Haymaker]

At this point I have accepted all pro and high level amateur athletes dope.

This. PED's won't make the ball go in. Skills, on the other hand...

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Rose has more estrogen in his system than most 15 year old girls. We don't ever have to worry about him on roids.

:applause:

[kshutts1]

Other people have said this, but these NBA players are playing for multi million dollar contracts and endorsements. I would be surprised if players were NOT pushing the boundaries of what's "allowed" and what is not. And "pushing the boundaries" typically means straying into a "gray" area. Do I think NBA athletes are taking things that are illegal? Not necessarily. But they are (should be) 100% taking all allowed substances to help their performance, as well as the substances that are in that "gray area".

With stakes that high, I would do it. And you would too.

However, I'm not condoning athletes using anything on the "banned" list. Just saying that if it's not on the "banned" list, no matter how closely it resembles a substance that is on it, then why not do it? You better believe your opponent is doing everything in his power to improve himself and his game.

[Marchesk]

So many people already calling out names like they know something about it. Quite sad how no one wants to believe these guys attain their physiques, stamina, explosion through hard work and through thorough work ethic. Until someone is identified and punished from the league (like Rashard and Hedo), I see no reason to call their names like you actually know they have done PEDs. You're just assuming so because you hate their game.


It's because of all the high profile names who've been busted in other sports, while strongly maintaining their innocence if anyone dared to accuse them. After a while, you just become cynical about anyone being clean. Hell, it turns out Carl Lewis cheated too!

Who's next? Phelps? Bolt? What is it just track/swimming, cycling and baseball players who benefit from this stuff?

[tikay0]

This. PED's won't make the ball go in. Skills, on the other hand...

PEDs will give you the energy levels to ensure that you have the legs for an 82 game season though.

It's harder to put the ball in the hole with tired legs, and lower energy levels.

[Marchesk]

PEDs will give you the energy levels to ensure that you have the legs for an 82 game season though.

It's harder to put the ball in the hole with tired legs, and lower energy levels.

They also allow you to train harder by recovering quicker.

[tikay0]

They also allow you to train harder by recovering quicker.

Yep. That too.

[theaussieguy]

Funny isn't it? Has even a hint of something to do with Lebron, and its all good, JUST IN CASE Lebron gets popped.

Let this even hint towards Rose, and these flea bags are blowing this thread through the roof.

nah its not that you guys are just ignorant. PED's are just part of the game, as they are a part of pretty much every physical professional sport there is out there. Rugby, NBA, tennis, soccer, NFL, baseball, cycling, weightlifting, sprinting (yes usain is on drugs), swimming and most olympic sports.

The point is you can complain all day about it being unfair and unjust but sometimes you just have to accept the reality, PEDS are a part of professional sports, lets not waste time crucifying those who get caught and just drop this phisarde of political correctness and accept that as a professional athlete, there is a very good reason to be taking them.

[tikay0]

nah its not that you guys are just ignorant. PED's are just part of the game, as they are a part of pretty much every physical professional sport there is out there. Rugby, NBA, tennis, soccer, NFL, baseball, cycling, weightlifting, sprinting (yes usain is on drugs), swimming and most olympic sports.

The point is you can complain all day about it being unfair and unjust but sometimes you just have to accept the reality, PEDS are a part of professional sports, lets not waste time crucifying those who get caught and just drop this phisarde of political correctness and accept that as a professional athlete, there is a very good reason to be taking them.

Who's saying otherwise? :confusedshrug:

I follow MMA, boxing, and the UFC. I'm well aware that 90% of those guys are using PEDs.

MLB, duh. NFL, are you kidding me? NBA, Lebron. :oldlol:

[Frozen1]

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/BKu6fMxCMAE9xZl.jpg

[tikay0]

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/BKu6fMxCMAE9xZl.jpg

Roid and roider.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m949nyih1i1rerpn5o1_400.jpg

[nathanjizzle]

lebron. thats why d rose hates that ******

[Goldrush25]

No one here knows who's using PEDs. Furthermore, no one has an idea of what kind of PED players are using. A PED can be anything from a stimulant to an anabolic steroid to HGH and everything in between. PEDs are a broad group of drugs/substances used for different reasons. It's idiotic to compare pictures of someone as evidence of PED use. Someone could look like a human ball of Play-doh and be using PEDs. Look at Bartolo Colon. He's twice been caught using PEDs and he looks like he inhales extra large pizzas between innings.

Until we get names, all we're doing here is assuming. Everyone is within their rights to assume but that's all it is. No one but the people who are dealing and using know for sure.

[ZenMaster]

No one here knows who's using PEDs. Furthermore, no one has an idea of what kind of PED players are using. A PED can be anything from a stimulant to an anabolic steroid to HGH and everything in between. PEDs are a broad group of drugs/substances used for different reasons. It's idiotic to compare pictures of someone as evidence of PED use. Someone could look like a human ball of Play-doh and be using PEDs. Look at Bartolo Colon. He's twice been caught using PEDs and he looks like he inhales extra large pizzas between innings.

Until we get names, all we're doing here is assuming. Everyone is within their rights to assume but that's all it is. No one but the people who are dealing and using know for sure.

I'm sorry but this is the ultimate political correct cop out answer.
You are right comparing pictures won't do much.

But these are athletes who compete for a lot of money as basketball is one of the best paid sports in the world, ahtletes who play a marathon like schedule in which performing consistently will make you more money than not. And get this, they don't test for it... You can safely assume the vast majority is using, because if they don't then somebody else will.

The drug of choice is growth hormone, it helps you burn fat, get lean, shorten your recovery time(most important as workout time restraints is a big factor during an NBA season), heals and strengthens joints and muscles.

You can write it off as "people are just assuming and nobody knows for sure", but it won't make it any less real, these athletes use in a big way.

I can't blame them for it with the money that's on the line, the schedule they have to play at a level expected of them would be almost impossible without it.

[WolfGang]

Wait! So did players like Jordan and Stockton use PEDs? Jordan must have been on something.

[Euroleague]

All the American NBA only fans here keep denying it.................

http://www.estrelladigital.es/deportes/control-antidoping-seleccion-baloncesto-EEUU_0_1230477209.html

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But it has been said here for a long time, that under the agreement of USA Basketball to play in FIBA and the Olympics, Team USA does NOT get tested for doping by the anti doping agencies of those bodies.

Rather that USA Basketball's OWN TESTING LAB does the tests, not FIBA or the Olympics, unlike other teams which get tested by the anti doping labs of FIBA and the Olympics.

Also, that Team USA's testing results never get released, they just say they passed without releasing the results. Unlike for the teams from other countries, where the test results are released by the anti doping labs of the Olympics and FIBA.

ISH forums myth BUSTED:

"The Olympics always tests NBA players and they have passed every test."

[niko]

All the American NBA only fans here keep denying it.................

http://www.estrelladigital.es/deportes/control-antidoping-seleccion-baloncesto-EEUU_0_1230477209.html

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But it has been said here for a long time, that under the agreement of USA Basketball to play in FIBA and the Olympics, Team USA does NOT get tested for doping by the anti doping agencies of those bodies.

Rather that USA Basketball's OWN TESTING LAB does the tests, not FIBA or the Olympics, unlike other teams which get tested by the anti doping labs of FIBA and the Olympics.

Also, that Team USA's testing results never get released, they just say they passed without releasing the results. Unlike for the teams from other countries, where the test results are released by the anti doping labs of the Olympics and FIBA.

ISH forums myth BUSTED:

"The Olympics always tests NBA players and they have passed every test."

That's literally never discussed on the board. Never. Ill send you a dollar if you can find a topic that says NBA Players are drug free because they pass olympic tests.

[Scholar]

Well, guys like Hedo Turkoglu have already been busted. If there are any superstars, expect nothing to surface.

[Flash31]

At least we know the WWE is clean.


Funny u mention that
an Entertainment company has stricter testing
than the NFL,NBA,MLB,MLS,Boxing,Tennis,Golf,and MMA

That is really saying something

and then you look at the Olympics,the strictest standardized testing
you have stars,athlets not getting caught for years and decades,
Thats saying something.

When your drug testing is at a set date (NBAs)and
Not Randomized Its very easy to pass
especially if youre not testing for much anyways and players know when theyll be tested and by whom

Even the Olympics,US tests US players,come on

did Armstrong,Lewis,Jones,Gay
not say something while all the contemporaries
and their competition who was not American or wasnt the best
got busted


Come on,

The NBA should follow either Mayweathers
Random,Any time,Any place,Blood,urine,hair sample
Olympic style type drug testing or
WWEs random,multiple times every year,wherever,whenever,
and maybe even follow their punishment rate
1st time-30 days suspension without pay,
2nd-60 days suspension without pay
3rd time-terminated,lose rest of pay,cant come back for at least a year


These two would really clean up the league,especially if the punishments are so severe and the tests are random and done multiple times a year

Rashard Lewis got busted and so did Turkoglu and
they had light punishments

10 games is nothing


Go 30 days,60 days
thats basically anywhere from 13-20 games to
30-45 games

two months is massive

They get caught in Oct
theyre 1st game is in late dec or next year

get caught after all star break
and two months and you miss almost all the games left

[Lebron23]

Funny u mention that
an Entertainment company has stricter testing
than the NFL,NBA,MLB,MLS,Boxing,Tennis,Golf,and MMA

That is really saying something

and then you look at the Olympics,the strictest standardized testing
you have stars,athlets not getting caught for years and decades,
Thats saying something.

When your drug testing is at a set date (NBAs)and
Not Randomized Its very easy to pass
especially if youre not testing for much anyways and players know when theyll be tested and by whom

Even the Olympics,US tests US players,come on

did Armstrong,Lewis,Jones,Gay
not say something while all the contemporaries
and their competition who was not American or wasnt the best
got busted


Come on,

The NBA should follow either Mayweathers
Random,Any time,Any place,Blood,urine,hair sample
Olympic style type drug testing or
WWEs random,multiple times every year,wherever,whenever,
and maybe even follow their punishment rate
1st time-30 days suspension without pay,
2nd-60 days suspension without pay
3rd time-terminated,lose rest of pay,cant come back for at least a year


These two would really clean up the league,especially if the punishments are so severe and the tests are random and done multiple times a year

Rashard Lewis got busted and so did Turkoglu and
they had light punishments

10 games is nothing


Go 30 days,60 days
thats basically anywhere from 13-20 games to
30-45 games

two months is massive

They get caught in Oct
theyre 1st game is in late dec or next year

get caught after all star break
and two months and you miss almost all the games left


WWE protect their huge stars like Cena and Ryback. These guys never fail their drug test.