So the Spurs lose Gary Neal? Yeah, this offseason has been terrible for them.

[ConanRulesNBC]

Re-signing Splitter and Ginobili... losing Neal. The only decent thing they did was add Belinelli. The FO can't honestly believe they're going to win with this team do they? It sucks too because other than the Bulls winning I'd love to see Duncan win another championship before he retires. But the Spurs had to make a big move this offseason for that to happen. That would have been signing Al Jefferson or Paul Milsap. Splitter re-signing isn't too bad but he should have been moved to the bench and Spurs should have signed Jefferson/Milsap and have one of them start.

C: Duncan/Splitter
PF: Milsap/Diaw
SF: Leonard/Belinelli
SG: Green/Ginobili
PG: Parker/Neal

That team wins the West again and has a great chance at winning the title. Bringing back pretty much the same exact team will probably end with the same result as last season or... now that the Clippers are stacked and if Doc Rivers can get them to play to their potential and if Westbrook comes back the Spurs might not even be good enough to make it back to the finals. I feel bad for Duncan and Parker.

[Trentknicks]

Seasons will come and go but people will continue to :sleeping on the Spurs.

[ConanRulesNBC]

Seasons will come and go but people will continue to :sleeping on the Spurs.

Unless Leonard turns into a superstar by next season this Spurs team is pretty much exactly the same. And this team was lucky enough to avoid the Thunder in the playoffs. The same Thunder that beat them the season before. Next season when Westbrook returns they're a threat to the Spurs. And the Clippers with their new players and Doc Rivers as a coach has a great shot at winning the West next season. Can't forget about Houston now that they have Dwight Howard. Also the Warriors will be better and maybe the Grizzlies too. Spurs will have more competition next season in the Western Conference.

[WayOfWade]

Expect the same thing. Regular season success followed by postseason disappointment.

[AT9]

Unless Leonard turns into a superstar by next season this Spurs team is pretty much exactly the same. And this team was lucky enough to avoid the Thunder in the playoffs. The same Thunder that beat them the season before. Next season when Westbrook returns they're a threat to the Spurs. And the Clippers with their new players and Doc Rivers as a coach has a great shot at winning the West next season. Can't forget about Houston now that they have Dwight Howard. Also the Warriors will be better and maybe the Grizzlies too. Spurs will have more competition next season in the Western Conference.

The same Thunder team? Aren't you forgetting about that guy with the beard?

Also, while I agree that the west will be tougher overall, the Spurs essentially fumbled the trophy into Lebron's lap in game 6. They don't need to change much, and Neal isn't so good that we need him.

[andremiller07]

Getting Thomas in the draft + Bellenlli >>>>>>losing Neal

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Belli is so much better than Neal. If Pop weren't Pop, Belli would be the starting SG and a potential all-NBA player.

[Jameerthefear]

Marco is a good pickup. Only problem is their one year older. Manu is on his last leg, and Tim can't keep up this level of play for too much longer. We'll see though. I won't count them out.

[HarryCallahan]

-Spurs have too many guards
-Belinelli is cheaper than Neal, better and is actually capable of defending SG's
-Spurs need that roster spot for a back-up to Kawhi.


How many threads is op gonna make b!tching about the Spurs. It's pretty gay. Especially because he has retarded opinions like Gary Neal being able to play pg, or Al Jefferson not being a horrible fit. :facepalm



Tim can't keep up this level of play for too much longer

Timmy posted a career high in blocks per game, while also playing a career low in minutes. I'd say he can keep it up for a few more seasons.

[flipogb]

hes gonna suck now, just watch. Spurs rotate shooters in and out based on who has a hot hand, makes em all look better than they really are.

[Greg Oden 50]

they will sign oden :applause:

[Greg Oden 50]

-Spurs have too many guards
-Belinelli is cheaper than Neal, better and is actually capable of defending SG's
-Spurs need that roster spot for a back-up to Kawhi.


How many threads is op gonna make b!tching about the Spurs. It's pretty gay. Especially because he has retarded opinions like Gary Neal being able to play pg, or Al Jefferson not being a horrible fit. :facepalm




Timmy posted a career high in blocks per game, while also playing a career low in minutes. I'd say he can keep it up for a few more seasons.

he gassed in game 7

[SpurrDurr]

Unless Leonard turns into a superstar by next season this Spurs team is pretty much exactly the same. And this team was lucky enough to avoid the Thunder in the playoffs. The same Thunder that beat them the season before. Next season when Westbrook returns they're a threat to the Spurs. And the Clippers with their new players and Doc Rivers as a coach has a great shot at winning the West next season. Can't forget about Houston now that they have Dwight Howard. Also the Warriors will be better and maybe the Grizzlies too. Spurs will have more competition next season in the Western Conference.

I read this shit year after year but when POs arrive eveyone changes their minds.
Spurs are together with OKC the best teams in the West; Rockets and Warriors are still behind for now imo.
Clippers with that frontcourt and Memphis lack of scoring options don't make them look so dangerous tbh.

The Ginobli deal is bad but SA front office is always loyal with their players while Tiago new contract isn't so bad, big men will always be paid.

As for letting Neal go, i'd say it was about fukcing time. He makes some lucky shots but overall is garbage, his defense is awful.
Belinelli is a great pick up and a huge upgrade over Neal, you should know it since you are a Chicago fan.

[chips93]

Expect the same thing. Regular season success followed by postseason disappointment.

they were seconds away from a championship

thats hardly a dissapointment

[thefatmiral]

ya the spurs often let go a good contr. player after a good playoff run. spurs just seem stuck with splitter. but liked neal

[joeyjoejoe]

I'm not shedding any tears for spurs, they have plenty of hardware, great coach, stacked team

[TMT]

Bellinelli is a major upgrade from Neal so losing him isn't a big deal at all. They kept the same squad that was literally a few bounces away from an NBA title last season, and they might have a chance to snag Oden or maybe pull off some kind of move. It's still the middle of the offseason.

Don't understand how if you don't pull a CP3 or Dwight in free agency that the general consensus is you had a bad offseason. :oldlol:

[BlueCrayon]

The only way for the Spurs to win this year is to make a big move in the offseason but they took the defending champs to 7 games just a month ago? :wtf:

[Haymaker]

If it ain't broke...

They just need a tweak here and there. The only thing that bothered me was the Manu signing. 7 mil per year they could've spent on Dalembert or Kaman. Manu should've asked for the minimum.

[SCdac]

arm chair GM's always doubting the Spurs :roll:

[HylianNightmare]

inb4 spurs championship

[BoutPractice]

Bringing back pretty much the same exact team will probably end with the same result as last season
You mean they'll be a once-in-the-lifetime-of-the-universe miracle away from a championship?

[steve]

Other things to consider are this: Neal's usefulness was becoming more limited. He was an excellent shooter and a decent ball handler, but it was becoming harder to find him minutes due to his poor defense. Also, the Spurs clearly expect players like Leonard (obviously), Joseph, and de Colo to all improve next season making Neal pretty redundant and replaceable next season.

[All Net]

Huh? They were one ray miss from being champs with this roster.

[DMAVS41]

arm chair GM's always doubting the Spurs :roll:

I don't even get it though.

They have two players on the team that will likely be much better by the time the playoffs roll around next year in Splitter and Leonard. That is like making moves in and of itself...

And then Belly is a definite upgrade in my opinion.

Actually love what the Spurs did.

I think people are going to be surprised at how much more Leonard is featured.

[Carbine]

I think you'll be surprised how much he isn't featured relative to your expectations. He's not a pick and roll player, at all. He's just not effective at it.....and that's what the Spurs do.

Plus it's Tony's team on offense....he's the one with the ball making the initial decisions/plays 95 percent of the time, the other 5 percent they dump it to Duncan....and when Parkers not on, Gino is....and takes over the role of Parker.

Pop isn't just gonna let Parker chill in the corners more now to let a much less effective pick and roll player in Leonard have the ball.

They very rarely do called iso's either for wing players.

Leonard will continue to play off the ball, hit open shots and attack close outs on offense. Believe that.

[secund2nun]

Gary Neal is just a perimeter chucking scrub that can easily be replaced.

[SCdac]

I think you'll be surprised how much he isn't featured relative to your expectations. He's not a pick and roll player, at all. He's just not effective at it.....and that's what the Spurs do.

Plus it's Tony's team on offense....he's the one with the ball making the initial decisions/plays 95 percent of the time, the other 5 percent they dump it to Duncan....and when Parkers not on, Gino is....and takes over the role of Parker.

Pop isn't just gonna let Parker chill in the corners more now to let a much less effective pick and roll player in Leonard have the ball.

They very rarely do called iso's either for wing players.

Leonard will continue to play off the ball, hit open shots and attack close outs on offense. Believe that.

The Spurs had 6 players average double figures last season, and every season the past 3-4 years they've become more and more balanced, more and more Larry Brown-Pistons-esque. Parker leads in scoring, but he's not necessarily "the leader".

Point being, Leonard, especially as the Spurs "Big 3" age, has nowhere to go but up.

His talents have been somewhat untapped anyways, which is normal for somebody his age on a veteran team. That will end though, very soon. He was 3rd in scoring last season for the Spurs and it wouldn't surprise me if he stays there or even improves. I don't think he'll become an AS over night, but I do think he's going to surpass Manu next season in terms of importance to the offense. I get what you're saying about pick and roll, but there are a multitude of ways to feature Leonard or just put the ball in his hands more or have more plays end with him slashing/finishing.

As for the OP, when will this dude realize the Spurs can't just get whoever they want :rolleyes:

[Carbine]

I'm not saying he won't improve, he should.....but nobody is going to be surprised how much more he is featured. That's not his game right now.

His numbers should improve because of more minutes, not being featured more. More minutes = more stats

[SCdac]

I'm not saying he won't improve, he should.....but nobody is going to be surprised how much more he is featured. That's not his game right now.

His numbers should improve because of more minutes, not being featured more. More minutes = more stats

I think his improvement (in a broad number of areas from decision making to play making) will go beyond stats, but I get what you're saying. I'd be surprised if Kawhi is NOT featured more. Spurs have been in a youth transition for about a year or two now at least. The writing is kind of on the wall. He'll be featured but not forced.

[Owl]

Did the Spurs make the most of their cap room?

No.

If they had got the Manu deal done sooner (and got rid of his cap hold) they could have got Millsap. Had they got the Manu deal done sooner and cheaper (something like $5m a year, 3 years; rather than 7.25 a year average, 2 years) they could have got Bynum.

Does that mean that we should write the Spurs off?

No, we've done that too often (the last 5 years roughly), so I think they've earned the benefit of the doubt even if they are aging, and Manu is showing it.

Is losing Gary Neal a big deal?

No.
12-13 PER: 11.5, 12-13 WS/48: .060

[DMAVS41]

I'm not saying he won't improve, he should.....but nobody is going to be surprised how much more he is featured. That's not his game right now.

His numbers should improve because of more minutes, not being featured more. More minutes = more stats

He averaged like 37 minutes per game in the playoffs and got 10 shots in that time. I'd bet that number of shots goes up...probably to 12.5 per 36 minutes vs 9.8 per 36 last year.

Of course minutes play a role...that is being featured more. You are just arguing semantics. Clearly the Spurs will continue to move away from the big 3 and will rely more on guys like Splitter and Leonard more.

[Doranku]

Did the Spurs make the most of their cap room?

No.

If they had got the Manu deal done sooner (and got rid of his cap hold) they could have got Millsap. Had they got the Manu deal done sooner and cheaper (something like $5m a year, 3 years; rather than 7.25 a year average, 2 years) they could have got Bynum.

Does that mean that we should write the Spurs off?

No, we've done that too often (the last 5 years roughly), so I think they've earned the benefit of the doubt even if they are aging, and Manu is showing it.

Is losing Gary Neal a big deal?

No.
12-13 PER: 11.5, 12-13 WS/48: .060
:oldlol: PER and Win Shares being the sole metrics used to measure a player's value to his team.

Textbook ISH.

[Owl]

:oldlol: PER and Win Shares being the sole metrics used to measure a player's value to his team.

Textbook ISH.
Not the only ones used. Just a convenient shorthand to show how replaceable he is. Go ahead and explain why I (and Pop and Buford and co.) are wrong.

[Doranku]

Not the only ones used. Just a convenient shorthand to show how replaceable he is. Go ahead and explain why I (and Pop and Buford and co.) are wrong.
I never said you were wrong, I just think it's funny that you said losing him isn't a big deal because his PER and WS/48 are low.

There's much more to a player than made up, personally biased statistics. For example, Gary Neal is one of those players that can explode and hit 3-4-5 straight 3s. We saw that in the finals. Moreover, he's a guy who isn't afraid to throw up a 3 with 20 seconds left in the shot clock if he's hot.

And that's part of the reason why I think Pop didn't mind letting him go. He's not a fan of those types of players. They already re-signed one loose cannon in Ginobili so it's easy to see why Pop didn't want to keep Neal.

Not saying that players like Neal are ideal basketball players, but his hot shooting and fearlessness played a huge role in why SA was 28 seconds away from beating the Heat in the finals this year. Guys like him can be extremely valuable if utilized/disciplined correctly.

A PER of 11 and WS/48 of whatever doesn't tell you those things.

[Euroleague]

Neal sucks. All he can do is shoot. He's a great shooter, but that's the only game he has.

There are hundreds of better players than him they could sign for less money from Europe.

I agree about Manu and Splitter though. Manu is an ex player, and Splitter is trash.

About Belinelli though................that guy is an awful chucker with zero defense. No serious team would ever have him on their roster. The Spurs clearly signaled they have zero intent on winning a title when they added him.

[Carbine]

He averaged like 37 minutes per game in the playoffs and got 10 shots in that time. I'd bet that number of shots goes up...probably to 12.5 per 36 minutes vs 9.8 per 36 last year.

Of course minutes play a role...that is being featured more. You are just arguing semantics. Clearly the Spurs will continue to move away from the big 3 and will rely more on guys like Splitter and Leonard more.

I don't equate playing more minutes to being featured more. If your point was Leonard is going to play more minutes, then agreed....but that's obvious.

Also, continue to move away from the Big 3?

2009-2010.....big 3 combined for 49.5 points, 14 assists

2012-2013.....big 3 combined for 49.5 points, 15 assists

They may well move on from the big 3, but it hasn't happened yet.




Also, if the Spurs rely on Splitter more....big mistake. It's not even his game to take more of the scoring load. He's a catch, pass or lay up guy off their pick and roll game....that's about it. If they start going to post ups for Splitter.....:facepalm

[DMAVS41]

I don't equate playing more minutes to being featured more. If your point was Leonard is going to play more minutes, then agreed....but that's obvious.

Also, continue to move away from the Big 3?

2009-2010.....big 3 combined for 49.5 points, 14 assists

2012-2013.....big 3 combined for 49.5 points, 15 assists

They may well move on from the big 3, but it hasn't happened yet.




Also, if the Spurs rely on Splitter more....big mistake. It's not even his game to take more of the scoring load. He's a catch, pass or lay up guy off their pick and roll game....that's about it. If they start going to post ups for Splitter.....:facepalm

No no no.

Leonard will be a better player and be featured more in the minutes he's playing. I just told you I expect him to get 2 to 3 more shots per 36 minutes...that isn't anything to do with minutes played. So I have no idea what you are talking about.

Also, the Spurs are clearly relying less on Manu and that will continue. His minutes have decreased each of the last 4 years in the playoffs. With 2 years ago seeing a noticeable drop.

Let me make it clear. Leonard will get more minutes and will produce better per minute he plays than he has in the past. He will get roughly 2 to 3 more shots per 36 minutes and probably will get 4 to 5 more touches per 36 minutes than he has in the past.

He will be featured more.

[Owl]

I never said you were wrong, I just think it's funny that you said losing him isn't a big deal because his PER and WS/48 are low.

There's much more to a player than made up, personally biased statistics. For example, Gary Neal is one of those players that can explode and hit 3-4-5 straight 3s. We saw that in the finals. Moreover, he's a guy who isn't afraid to throw up a 3 with 20 seconds left in the shot clock if he's hot.

And that's part of the reason why I think Pop didn't mind letting him go. He's not a fan of those types of players. They already re-signed one loose cannon in Ginobili so it's easy to see why Pop didn't want to keep Neal.

Not saying that players like Neal are ideal basketball players, but his hot shooting and fearlessness played a huge role in why SA was 28 seconds away from beating the Heat in the finals this year. Guys like him can be extremely valuable if utilized/disciplined correctly.

A PER of 11 and WS/48 of whatever doesn't tell you those things.
All stats are made up. Basketball doesn't exist in a state of nature.

Advanced metrics are indeed "contrived" in literal sense and reflect the values of their created. They reflect their creators personal preferences or biases. I would say biased in the generally understood sense though. It implies that they have an agenda (typically against) someone or something. These metrics are the opposite in that respect. Unlike casual observers or media analysts metric formulas treat everyone the same.

And Neal's ability to make threes is reflected in the metrics. Unless he gets extra points for making them consecutively that's not really all that important.

Gary Neal is replaceable. The metrics just give convient indication of what his level is and why his leaving is relatively insignificant. The only way it would be humorous (and evidently you found humor in it) was if his value was misrepresented by the metrics. All you've given is an ability to make (and presumably miss) consecutive 3s, and a willingness to take ill advised shots.

Value is contextual, and all numbers are imperfect (especially on D). But really why (what?) are you arguing, the metrics show Gary Neal isn't an important player. A couple of good games in the playoff (not a good playoffs overall) doesn't change that.

[D-Rose]

Belinelli is an upgrade on Neal. Spurs will be fine, too many haters..same ones every year. No team in the West looks much better than the Spurs are right now and let's not count out their FO in trades later on.

ConanNBC continues with making the worst threads possible.

[DMAVS41]

Neal sucks. All he can do is shoot. He's a great shooter, but that's the only game he has.

There are hundreds of better players than him they could sign for less money from Europe.

I agree about Manu and Splitter though. Manu is an ex player, and Splitter is trash.

About Belinelli though................that guy is an awful chucker with zero defense. No serious team would ever have him on their roster. The Spurs clearly signaled they have zero intent on winning a title when they added him.

To the bold.

The Spurs basically won the championship with Neal on the roster...and Belinelli is better than Neal. He improves the Spurs quite a bit...because Neal was playing like 20 minutes a game in the playoffs. So I don't get this logic at all.

Splitter is better than you say he is...and Manu will definitely see less minutes with Leonard and Belinelli getting more run as well.

The Spurs success will depend, as always, on Duncan. If Duncan plays next year at the same level he played last year. The Spurs will be in the hunt for the title again. And will probably have a great chance to win it...unless Parker chokes in the WCF or Finals like he did last year.

Again. If Duncan is the same player. The Spurs will be better this year. Leonard will get more minutes and will continue to improve. 14 Leonard will simply be better than 13 Leonard....safe to assume. Belinelli is better than Neal. This require less minutes out of an aging and erratic Manu. All logic would point to Splitter being better as well. How much is debatable, but even if it's a very slight improvement...it still matters. Hell, it's likely that Green is a better player next year as well. It's all about Duncan and Parker. If they are the same...the Spurs will be better.

[HarryCallahan]

Neal sucks. All he can do is shoot. He's a great shooter, but that's the only game he has.

There are hundreds of better players than him they could sign for less money from Europe.

I agree about Manu and Splitter though. Manu is an ex player, and Splitter is trash.

About Belinelli though................that guy is an awful chucker with zero defense. No serious team would ever have him on their roster. The Spurs clearly signaled they have zero intent on winning a title when they added him.

That Belli stuff is pretty unintelligent trolling, he's a better defender than Neal.

Splitter was the MVP of the ACB, if he's trash then all of Europe is trash. Great way o defend the minor leagues retard.

Splitter = ACB MVP
Splitter = Trash
ACB = Best National league in Europe

Therefore: European basketball = Trash.

:applause:

Well done Euroleague, you've just proven everyone right. The Euroleague is inferior. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


Belinelli is an upgrade on Neal. Spurs will be fine, too many haters..same ones every year. No team in the West looks much better than the Spurs are right now and let's not count out their FO in trades later on.

ConanNBC continues with making the worst threads possible.

Waaay too much truth in this post.

[oh the horror]

People seem to sleep on the fact that the west last season had several key injuries that aided the spurs in getting the the finals.


Several teams have improved, with health the spurs are not going back to the finals.


Cut it out with that "people sleeping on the spurs" shit already.


Outside of this past season they haven't done much in the postseason for several years now.

[HarryCallahan]

People seem to sleep on the fact that the west last season had several key injuries that aided the spurs in getting the the finals.


Several teams have improved, with health the spurs are not going back to the finals.


Cut it out with that "people sleeping on the spurs" shit already.


Outside of this past season they haven't done much in the postseason for several years now.

Besides Durant, I don't know what injuries you're talking about, and the Thunder were a mess even with him, and have gotten worse since.

Grizz- Stand pat

Clips- Personnel and coaching change, we'll see how it works out. Any team who's second best player is Blake isn't going to the finals (unless they have LeBron or Kobe)

GSW- Personnel changes, they got better on paper, but we'll see.

OKC- Lost Martin, gained no one.

Do you really think ANY of has teams has a better chance than the Spurs (who need I remind you were a rebound or missed shot away from winning the finals in 6)?

[HarryCallahan]

he gassed in game 7

You're kidding right? ISH logic: an unlucky loss= Gassed, disappointing, choking etc.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[DMAVS41]

People seem to sleep on the fact that the west last season had several key injuries that aided the spurs in getting the the finals.


Several teams have improved, with health the spurs are not going back to the finals.


Cut it out with that "people sleeping on the spurs" shit already.


Outside of this past season they haven't done much in the postseason for several years now.

True, but the thing is that we are talking in the hypothetical that Duncan doesn't decline next year. If he doesn't...the Spurs are as good as anyone but the Thunder in my opinion.

Now, if we are talking about Duncan likely declining a bit...then they aren't going back to the finals. But if Duncan is going to give them 18/10/2 with elite interior defense....then they definitely are on the short list of contenders.

[HarryCallahan]

True, but the thing is that we are talking in the hypothetical that Duncan doesn't decline next year. If he doesn't...the Spurs are as good as anyone but the Thunder in my opinion.

Now, if we are talking about Duncan likely declining a bit...then they aren't going back to the finals. But if Duncan is going to give them 18/10/2 with elite interior defense....then they definitely are on the short list of contenders.

I highly doubt Duncan declines, he played a career low in minutes last season and achieved a career high in blocks. His body will be will be worse for wear, but I doubt he declines.

[tpols]

Besides Durant, I don't know what injuries you're talking about, and the Thunder were a mess even with him, and have gotten worse since.

Grizz- Stand pat

Clips- Personnel and coaching change, we'll see how it works out. Any team who's second best player is Blake isn't going to the finals (unless they have LeBron or Kobe)

GSW- Personnel changes, they got better on paper, but we'll see.

OKC- Lost Martin, gained no one.

Do you really think ANY of has teams has a better chance than the Spurs (who need I remind you were a rebound or missed shot away from winning the finals in 6)?
OKC lost martin and gained no one? That's all you have to say for the Thunder? How about westbrook coming back? There all nba guard that went down early in the playoffs.

And where did Dwight Howard go again?

[HarryCallahan]

OKC lost martin and gained no one? That's all you have to say for the Thunder? How about westbrook coming back? There all nba guard that went down early in the playoffs.

And where did Dwight Howard go again?

Even with Westbrook they aren't that good, they need another creator and unless Reggie improves drastically they won't have one.

Houston are going to need ATLEAST on year to gel. They are only good at SG,SF and C, so I wouldn't put tem in the top 5 WC contenders.

[Euroleague]

Belinelli is an upgrade on Neal. Spurs will be fine, too many haters..same ones every year. No team in the West looks much better than the Spurs are right now and let's not count out their FO in trades later on.

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Belinelli is one of the biggest cancers there is. Yeah, good luck with such a cancer as him, and such a hugely overrated coach, mixing in with total has beens like Manu.

[Euroleague]

That Belli stuff is pretty unintelligent trolling, he's a better defender than Neal.

Splitter was the MVP of the ACB, if he's trash then all of Europe is trash. Great way o defend the minor leagues retard.

Splitter = ACB MVP
Splitter = Trash
ACB = Best National league in Europe

Therefore: European basketball = Trash.

:applause:

Well done Euroleague, you've just proven everyone right. The Euroleague is inferior. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:



Waaay too much truth in this post.

Belinelli is a huge cancer to every team he's on.

Splitter is a scrub. he's always been a scrub. He was a scrub in Spain and he's a scrub now.

[Hotlantadude81]

Re-signing Splitter and Ginobili... losing Neal. The only decent thing they did was add Belinelli. The FO can't honestly believe they're going to win with this team do they? It sucks too because other than the Bulls winning I'd love to see Duncan win another championship before he retires. But the Spurs had to make a big move this offseason for that to happen. That would have been signing Al Jefferson or Paul Milsap. Splitter re-signing isn't too bad but he should have been moved to the bench and Spurs should have signed Jefferson/Milsap and have one of them start.

C: Duncan/Splitter
PF: Milsap/Diaw
SF: Leonard/Belinelli
SG: Green/Ginobili
PG: Parker/Neal

That team wins the West again and has a great chance at winning the title. Bringing back pretty much the same exact team will probably end with the same result as last season or... now that the Clippers are stacked and if Doc Rivers can get them to play to their potential and if Westbrook comes back the Spurs might not even be good enough to make it back to the finals. I feel bad for Duncan and Parker.

Millsap would have been great for SA.

[HarryCallahan]

Belinelli is a huge cancer to every team he's on.

Splitter is a scrub. he's always been a scrub. He was a scrub in Spain and he's a scrub now.

Belli wasn't a cancer on the bulls.

ACB and all of European basketball must suck super hard if a scrub like Splitter can get MVP.

Damn, European only fans, always so racist.

[StocktonFan]

Re-signing Splitter and Ginobili... losing Neal. The only decent thing they did was add Belinelli. The FO can't honestly believe they're going to win with this team do they? It sucks too because other than the Bulls winning I'd love to see Duncan win another championship before he retires. But the Spurs had to make a big move this offseason for that to happen. That would have been signing Al Jefferson or Paul Milsap. Splitter re-signing isn't too bad but he should have been moved to the bench and Spurs should have signed Jefferson/Milsap and have one of them start.

C: Duncan/Splitter
PF: Milsap/Diaw
SF: Leonard/Belinelli
SG: Green/Ginobili
PG: Parker/Neal

That team wins the West again and has a great chance at winning the title. Bringing back pretty much the same exact team will probably end with the same result as last season or... now that the Clippers are stacked and if Doc Rivers can get them to play to their potential and if Westbrook comes back the Spurs might not even be good enough to make it back to the finals. I feel bad for Duncan and Parker.

So you are critcizing the spurs losing weight, but you are still obese? :biggums:

[Greg Oden 50]

Belli wasn't a cancer on the bulls.

ACB and all of European basketball must suck super hard if a scrub like Splitter can get MVP.

Damn, European only fans, always so racist.

SPURS IS DONE WITH SPILTTER REPLACE WITH DUNCAN WHEN TIM RETIRED

[Greg Oden 50]

You're kidding right? ISH logic: an unlucky loss= Gassed, disappointing, choking etc.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

HE WOULD NOT MISS.......IF HE IS 10 YEARS YOUNGER :banana:

[Greg Oden 50]

I highly doubt Duncan declines, he played a career low in minutes last season and achieved a career high in blocks. His body will be will be worse for wear, but I doubt he declines.

THEY WON'T BEAT THUNDERS WHEN WESTBROOKS IS HEALTHY,AND PARKER ALSWAYS CHOKE IN BIG GAME,SPURS IS NOT GO FAR,IF THEY GOT LUCKY
THEY COULD PAST 1ST ROUND :applause:

[Greg Oden 50]

Belli wasn't a cancer on the bulls.

ACB and all of European basketball must suck super hard if a scrub like Splitter can get MVP.

Damn, European only fans, always so racist.

ACB MVP can't even beat Halslem in the post :roll:

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

"team that almost won the Finals made no changes. They suck now." :facepalm

[HarryCallahan]

SPURS IS DONE WITH SPILTTER REPLACE WITH DUNCAN WHEN TIM RETIRED

Theoo's gonna sue this fakkit for gimmick infringement.

[SpurrDurr]

Belinelli is one of the biggest cancers there is. Yeah, good luck with such a cancer as him, and such a hugely overrated coach, mixing in with total has beens like Manu.

Belinelli is a cancer now? he's a nice guy that works hard, isn't afraid of taking the last shot and his contract is a steal.
And his defense has gotten better year after year, you can ask bulls fans.

Spanioulis is making at least the double of Beli's money and he's way worse than him.

Beli still playing good minutes in NBA while that greek ugly scrub had to leave after one season averaging 2.7 ppg.

Last year Belinelli averaged 9.6 ppg with fg% 0.395 3pt %.357 ft %.839 2.0 APG and 1,9 RPG and during POs his number went up quite a bit along with his efficiency while playing in a way superior league and 5 minutes less.

Last year Spanoulis averaged in the really weak greek league 15,8 ppg fg
% 0.397 3pt %0.321 ft % 0.782 5.5 APG and 2,2 RPG while playing 5 Minutes per game more than Beli.

It's pretty obvious that if you switched the players in those teams, Beli would average at least 20 ppg with a good efficiency (Spanoulis efficiency is 0,397 and 0,32 in the greek league wtf) while Spanoulis would average 2.7 PPG like his previous oversea adventure.

[BoutPractice]

Gary Neal was the definition of a replaceable player anyway. The Spurs are great at making the Gary Neals of this world look good because their offense gets them tons of shot opportunities. The players on that team with rare skillsets are Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Leonard, and Diaw... spot up shooters are everywhere in the league.

[deja vu]

Who cares? He's one of the Euroleague scrubs anyway according to that ****** poster. :lol

[Carbine]

Neal wasn't just a spot up shooter, he could do some really nice things off the dribble for himself.

Belinelli should be an upgrade though.

[Euroleague]

This thread just reminded me that the Spurs have always had THE dumbest fan base of any NBA team. I had forgotten that.

[HarryCallahan]

This thread just reminded me that the Spurs have always had THE dumbest fan base of any NBA team. I had forgotten that.

:applause:

Good job buddy.

Remind me again, what scrub was the MVP of the ACB in 2010?

Now lets all kick back and watch Giannis Adetokuombo fail in the NBA.