View Full Version : Why do many people here think Jeremy Lin sucks?
Jeremy Lin was coming off knee surgery to start the season. His shot was off, and it was his first time starting on a new team. He improved as the season went on.
So let's compare his stats after the all-star break to some good point guards:
Jeremy Lin:
15.0 points per game
6.0 assists per game
1.07 steals per game
2.81 turnovers per game
37.5% 3-point percentage
45.0% field goal percentage
Chris Paul:
16.9 points per game
9.7 assists per game
2.4 steals per game
2.3 turnovers per game
32.8% 3-point percentage
48.1% field goal percentage
Damian Lillard:
19.0 points per game
6.5 assists per game
0.9 steals per game
3.0 turnovers per game
36.8% 3-point percentage
42.9% field goal percentage
John Wall:
18.5 points per game
7.6 assists per game
1.3 steals per game
3.2 turnovers per game
26.7% 3-point percentage
44.1% field goal percentage
So Lin was going 15 and 6, while shooting nearly 38% from 3 and a fg% of 45%.
How is this not considered solid? And his assists are down because Harden dominates the ball in the offense, unlike the other point guards mentioned.
And his defense is pretty decent, too.
Electric Slide
07-28-2013, 05:09 PM
Racism
Game changes completely (for the better) once Beverley subs in.
JimmyMcAdocious
07-28-2013, 05:21 PM
Because of the direction of his eyes.
Do the playoffs matter at all? Because he was awful to the point they put everyone and anyone out there instead of him.
CelticBaller
07-28-2013, 05:37 PM
He sucks
chocolatethunder
07-28-2013, 05:38 PM
Why are you convinced that he's good? What has he done to make you think that? How did he perform in the playoffs? He is a decent bench player not a starter in this league. He is too ball dominant and needs the ball to be effective. I like the rockets. I'm not racist and I don't care about things like that. I'm a basketball fan and if someone plays good basketball I have no problem saying that they do. He's not a starter in this league, he's just not. That team will be better when Brooks or any other PG is playing this year. I'm sorry but that's the truth. Linsanity was a nice thing and his story is great. Now the dust has settled and everyone can relax and look at him objectively. He's not terrible but he's just not a good starter in this league and he's not what that team needs.
WayOfWade
07-28-2013, 05:42 PM
People are afraid of greatness.
Big Cheese
07-28-2013, 05:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iSGbcJVp38
:roll:
even getting styled on by derek fisher
KungFuJoe
07-28-2013, 05:46 PM
Game changes completely (for the better) once Beverley subs in.
This is completely false. Bevs brings energy and defense but he doesn't run the offense for shit.
Lin gets a lot of hate because he didn't do much in the playoffs. He had a bad game 1 was starting solid in game 2 (7pts at the half) but got injured and that was that.
But he was the real deal in the regular season and is still a young player with a lot of room for improvement. He scored 15ppg in the 2nd half and upped it to 17ppg in the last month. He showed continuous improvement through the whole season. If he picks up next season where he left off and gets a solid jumper he could be real threat. He was able to drive past anyone even with defenses sagging on him.
And he's gonna get at least 2 lobs a game to DH. Remember how many he served up to Chandler?
alleykat
07-28-2013, 05:55 PM
it's a backlash to the hype.....
he's a very good player IMO, but the higher up you are on a pedestal the further you fall down in people's eyes.....
just comes with the territory.....
FreezingTsmoove
07-28-2013, 05:56 PM
Absolutely wet the bed against an elite PG in the playoffs for one. Could barely get his shot off, looked scared on defense.
Also he only averages 6 assists on the fastest paced team in the league. With Harden, Parsons, Asik, Greg Smith (very athletic big) and some good floor spacers.
Also when you actually look at his stats for the WHOLE season its a pathetic 13 points a game on .440.
He provides little on offense for a starting guard, is an OK shooter at best, and a decent passer on a team that could thrive with an above average floor general. Jeremy Lin does not suck but in this era of great guards he sucks compared to them.
Game changes completely (for the better) once Beverley subs in.No it doesn't. Beverley brought the energy off the bench, but it wasn't like he was any better.
Do the playoffs matter at all? Because he was awful to the point they put everyone and anyone out there instead of him.The first game of the playoffs was the worst game he ever played in the NBA. The second game, he was doing much better but got injured.
He then missed games and when he came back he was playing injured.
That playoff series was an anomaly compared to all other games he's played in the NBA.
outbreak
07-28-2013, 06:04 PM
beverly isn't any better. People think he sucks for the position the media have given him. He's a decent starting point guard and nothing more yet he's been hyped up and they tried to push him to star status but he failed and clearly isn't a star. He's not very good at running an offence either but would be a decent 4th wheel to a real big 3 of Dwight, Harden and another free agent signing in the future.
beverly isn't any better. People think he sucks for the position the media have given him. He's a decent starting point guard and nothing more yet he's been hyped up and they tried to push him to star status but he failed and clearly isn't a star. He's not very good at running an offence either but would be a decent 4th wheel to a real big 3 of Dwight, Harden and another free agent signing in the future.How has he been hyped up and pushed to star status by the media?
The media was praising him during Linsanity... but he deserved it. But since then, when has he really been hyped up as a star player?
Absolutely wet the bed against an elite PG in the playoffs for one. Could barely get his shot off, looked scared on defense.
Also he only averages 6 assists on the fastest paced team in the league. With Harden, Parsons, Asik, Greg Smith (very athletic big) and some good floor spacers.
Also when you actually look at his stats for the WHOLE season its a pathetic 13 points a game on .440.
He provides little on offense for a starting guard, is an OK shooter at best, and a decent passer on a team that could thrive with an above average floor general. Jeremy Lin does not suck but in this era of great guards he sucks compared to them.Why would you mention Greg Smith? :biggums:
And if you can't figure out why Lin only has 6 assists per game, then I would assume you didn't watch the Rockets play hardly at all last year.
Bosnian Sajo
07-28-2013, 06:13 PM
This is completely false. Bevs brings energy and defense but he doesn't run the offense for shit.
Lin gets a lot of hate because he didn't do much in the playoffs. He had a bad game 1 was starting solid in game 2 (7pts at the half) but got injured and that was that.
But he was the real deal in the regular season and is still a young player with a lot of room for improvement. He scored 15ppg in the 2nd half and upped it to 17ppg in the last month. He showed continuous improvement through the whole season. If he picks up next season where he left off and gets a solid jumper he could be real threat. He was able to drive past anyone even with defenses sagging on him.
And he's gonna get at least 2 lobs a game to DH. Remember how many he served up to Chandler?
Same thing was supposed to happen for us Laker fans, only difference was that we had the best passer in the NBA on our team...and nothing happened.
Same thing was supposed to happen for us Laker fans, only difference was that we had the best passer in the NBA on our team...and nothing happened.Nash sucked ass last year, too.
KungFuJoe
07-28-2013, 06:20 PM
Same thing was supposed to happen for us Laker fans, only difference was that we had the best passer in the NBA on our team...and nothing happened.
That's because Kobe, not Nash, always had the ball and the only oops Kobe tosses are to himself, off the backboard.
wang4three
07-28-2013, 06:23 PM
Beverley takes care of the ball more, but it's easy not to turn it over when your intention is just to shoot the ball.
Jeremy had a poor playoffs but it's his first full season and he's only 25. He will get better.
Euroleague
07-28-2013, 06:24 PM
Game changes completely (for the better) once Beverley subs in.
Beverley isn't even a point guard. He has no point guard skill except dribbling. He's a midget shooting guard, and he's a defensive specialist that has a very limited game on offense.
Beverley is a scrub. He's a very athletic scrub that plays hard, but he's still a scrub.
shoops
07-28-2013, 06:29 PM
Cause it's ISH. :cheers: Anyways, most people only watched or remember the last few playoff games.
outbreak
07-28-2013, 06:56 PM
How has he been hyped up and pushed to star status by the media?
The media was praising him during Linsanity... but he deserved it. But since then, when has he really been hyped up as a star player?
:coleman: do you even watch rockets games? All season it was harden and lin being shown whenever rockets were talked about, he was considered their second star by the media.
The first game of the playoffs was the worst game he ever played in the NBA. The second game, he was doing much better but got injured.
He then missed games and when he came back he was playing injured.
That playoff series was an anomaly compared to all other games he's played in the NBA.
McHale completely lost fate in him to the point people were overrating your third string PG as the second coming. His "injury" was something not quite as bad also as things other players were playing with ok. For the second straight season his injuries were things he could play with but they wound up killing his playoffs.
If McHale isn't leaving Lin's role on this team will continue to shrink.
Lin is a solid player, but after he had that stretch where he played like God and got a ton of hype, people were expecting more I suppose.
Same thing was supposed to happen for us Laker fans, only difference was that we had the best passer in the NBA on our team...and nothing happened.
cos:
a) shitty-a$$ princeton offense at the start of the season doesn't allow lobs
b) got hurt early
c) out of rhythm when he came back
d) mda has no clue what he's doing with two bigs
e) d12 sulked the rest of the season
that's why we didn't see many nash to d12 lobs.
TheBigVeto
07-28-2013, 09:48 PM
Racism
Pretty much this.
He's a good PG. Not the best obviously, but not a D-leaguer.
Fresh Kid
07-28-2013, 09:51 PM
if lin was on tha knicks he wouldnt suck.
selrahc
07-28-2013, 10:31 PM
like i have said many times before. an oriental cannot succeed in the nba due to their small eyes, which does not allow them to see as much on the court as other playres.
dbk123
07-28-2013, 10:34 PM
like i have said many times before. an oriental cannot succeed in the nba due to their small eyes, which does not allow them to see as much on the court as other playres.
kobe has small eyes, no wonder lebron is already better than him on the all time list
OldSkoolball#52
07-29-2013, 12:34 AM
When I finally caught a couple games of Linsanity on TV during that stretch on the Knicks, after the pandomonium had alrdy broken out, I remember seeing his handles and thinking they were so sloppy, and some of the baskets he was scoring looked like very improbably circus shots, and I thought to myself this dude is not really that good, hes just getting a bunch of breaks right now being on a hot streak, in dantoni system, against a lot of bad opponents etc.
Then I didnt really see him on Houston until the playoffs where he ate shit. So that kinda reaffirmed my inital impression for me. Maybe Im off but Ive just never been impressed. And yes, Beverly was a clear upgrade when he subbed in, at least using those playoff games as a sample.
I do think its interesting about Lin tho, cause hes probably about as valuable as a Tyreke Evans. But Evans is more likely to be seen as having more potential, deserving more of a chance bc he could become a superstar (which he wont) but people give Evans the benefit of the doubt because he is black, and its assumed his athletic potential could make him a superstar if he can put it all together. People assume Lin is maxed out potential wise because hes asian, and hes already overachieved just getting this far.
So yeah I do think that has somethin to do with it. I feel like the perception between he and a Tyreke Evans type is the complete opposite, based on basically skin color and little else.
LakersDaBEst
07-29-2013, 03:20 AM
Too hyped up when he was on the linsanity adrenaline with the Knicks. He was dropping 25+ ppg, 8assts
Lebron23
07-29-2013, 03:24 AM
Hew's now underrated. People hates him cause his follower thinks that he's a top 3 PG in the NBA during the linsanity run.
ihatetimthomas
07-29-2013, 03:39 AM
He gets a bad rap for the playoffs but most people fail to point out that he was injured for most of the playoffs. He was no where near 100%. Plus this was his first playoffs ever on a new team and system. I don't think the hype was warranted during Linsanity but he is no scrub. He is a solid player and he still has time to get better. This year will be a huge telling sign of the type of player Lin will be for the rest of his career.
hawkfan
07-29-2013, 04:21 AM
The Lakers should have signed Lin instead of Nash last year - Kobe would have pushed him on defense and developed his game on offense. Harden is no where the passer that Kobe is. Lin and Gasol would work the pick and roll well.
Jeremy Lin to the Lakers for Steve Nash.
Do the playoffs matter at all? Because he was awful to the point they put everyone and anyone out there instead of him.
This. Go back and watch the games, hell even go through the playoff threads. It was CLEAR that when Lin was on the floor = the Rockets got noticeably worse. I felt really bad for him, even though he was painfully over-hyped, but his game was more painful to watch.
During the season, he was solid. Solid enough to clinch the 8th seed I guess.
Nash sucked ass last year, too.
That's because Kobe, not Nash, always had the ball and the only oops Kobe tosses are to himself, off the backboard.
False. Howard refused to play PnR (Nash and Mike D'Antoni said so themselves), which in obvious return, lowered the lob rates.
hawkfan
07-29-2013, 04:32 AM
False. Howard refused to play PnR (Nash and Mike D'Antoni said so themselves), which in obvious return, lowered the lob rates.
Is this really true?
What kind of a dumbass is Howard?
What big with his athleticism and playing with a great passer in Nash wouldn't want to play the pick and roll?
He would have had so many easy baskets.
He thinks it is below him as a big to play the pick and roll? Did he never hear of Karl Malone?
Is this really true?
What kind of a dumbass is Howard?
What big with his athleticism and playing with a great passer in Nash wouldn't want to play the pick and roll?
He would have had so many easy baskets.
He thinks it is below him as a big to play the pick and roll? Did he never hear of Karl Malone?
He wanted to play more in the post, even though he sucked balls.
Like Nash said, he was very frustrated in LA, and it showed. Read an article not to long ago where it talked about how Howard broke offensive sets and went straight to the post area, or tried to, only to eventually screw up or just turn the ball over altogether. Got a good chuckle out of it.
hawkfan
07-29-2013, 04:35 AM
He wanted to play more in the post, even though he sucked balls.
Like Nash said, he was very frustrated in LA, and it showed.
Is there a reason he couldn't do both?
Sometimes LeBron plays outside, sometimes he posts up, sometimes he runs the pick and roll.
Why couldn't there be variety with Howard?
Is there a reason he couldn't do both?
Sometimes LeBron plays outside, sometimes he posts up, sometimes he runs the pick and roll.
Why couldn't there be variety with Howard?
Frustration, maybe involved his injuries aswell. His smile is not the only thing wrong with his on-court personality, he has a stubborn attitude. He even developed it on the defensive end. Can't count how many times I've seen him screw up on offense, and not run back on defense because he honestly couldn't care less. Saw none of that when I watched him playing for the Magic
Everyone likes to rip Lakers fans as they ridicule Howard, but he kinda deserves it. He didn't want to play for the Lakers, he never really did, and it showed. Used to be one of my favorite players, but I've grown to really dislike him.
SmackOrH.A.K
07-29-2013, 05:28 AM
Lin is a solid point guard. Not an allstar but not a scrub. He played really good for us in the second half of the season. He shot 40% from three the last 3 months of the seaso and cut down on turnovers. I think he'll be a great 4th option behind Harden, D12, and Parsons.
Beverly is a solid backup point guard. Great energy guy and defense but I don't think he's a 35mins/82games guy.
Also I don't blame him for the playoffs. He was legitimately injured. he shouldnt have been playing. I do think we could have won game 6 if he didn't play but I see that as more of a coaching decision.
deja vu
07-29-2013, 05:36 AM
D'Antoni-specific point guard. :lol
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