Best Shot Blocker of All-Time?

[KnicksWolves]

My cousin recently asked me a relatively simple question...which I had no idea how to answer. He asked me simply who I thought the best shot blocker of all time was. It then occurred to me that while I have a lot of opinions pertaining to other aspects of basketball, "best shot blocker of all time" was simply something that never crossed my mind.

I'm certainly not old enough to comment on how good guys like Wilt and Bill Russell were at this area of the game, and there isn't enough footage available out there for me to justify forming any sort of opinion about their shot blocking prowess. Not to mention the lack of stats in this category because they didn't keep track of this in an official capacity back then.

What does ISH think about "Best Shot Blocker of All-Time"?

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Hakeem.

inb4 old timer fans say how Wilt and Russell blocked 15 shots a game.

[tikay0]

Hakeem.

inb4 old timer fans say how Wilt and Russell blocked 15 shots a game.

Blocks weren't even recorded back then, but they did. :confusedshrug:

You tryna tell me that they couldn't record 10-15 blocks a game with their inflated stats?

[Myth]

Does this really need asked? The answer is obviously Mike Miller.

[SilkkTheShocker]

LeBron or Dwight

[jzek]

http://i.imgur.com/5UBtlnK.gif

[Marchesk]

Since they've been keeping track, it's this guy:

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/464/339/886285_display_image.jpg

But Wilt and Russell's unofficial stats would be better, obviously.

[HomieWeMajor]

I thought it was common knowledge that Wilt paid his opponents to let him block their shots.
On topic Manute Bol

[pauk]

Manute Bol.

[fpliii]

From the numbers I've seen I feel comfortable enough in saying that:

Wilt (5500-6500, 6+ a game for his career)
Russell (4500-5500, 5+ a game for his career)
Kareem (needs [3830-3189]/321=~2.0 bpg in his first four seasons to jump Hakeem)
Hakeem (3830)

are the top four career shotblockers, in that order. Number five is either Mutombo or Thurmond (who'd need to have averaged [3289-553]/695=~3.94 bpg in his first ten seasons; very much possible but I don't want to go out either way...we're currently doing research on him so I might be able to give a more definitive answer in a week or two). Eaton, the Admiral, Artis Gilmore, Ewing finish out the top 10 (Duncan probably jumps Shaq next season).

Best!=most all-time though. I think BLK% among guys with a decent volume is a safer bet:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/blk_pct_career.html

Among the top 10 leaders in NBA/ABA history (all >2500 career), here are their lifetime BLK%:

Hakeem 5.39
Mutombo 6.28
Kareem 3.80
Gilmore 3.68
Eaton 6.92
Robinson 5.69
Ewing 4.75
Shaq 4.60
Duncan 4.58
Rollins 6.24

3 have career BLK&% over 6.00. Kareem's would be higher with his first four seasons, but not enough to eclipse that margin. So among guys since they started recording, Deke is my pick (combination of volume and per-shot proficiency; I can't say very definitively now but I feel safe in saying Wilt, Russ, and possibly Nate would also be >6). All-time it's gotta be Russell, who blocked almost as many as Wilt and was skilled at deflecting them to his teammates.

[LAZERUSS]

From the numbers I've seen I feel comfortable enough in saying that:

Wilt (5500-6500, 6+ a game for his career)
Russell (4500-5500, 5+ a game for his career)
Kareem (needs [3830-3189]/321=~2.0 bpg in his first four seasons to jump Hakeem)
Hakeem (3830)

are the top four career shotblockers, in that order. Number five is either Mutombo or Thurmond (who'd need to have averaged [3289-553]/695=~3.94 bpg in his first ten seasons; very much possible but I don't want to go out either way...we're currently doing research on him so I might be able to give a more definitive answer in a week or two). Eaton, the Admiral, Artis Gilmore, Ewing finish out the top 10 (Duncan probably jumps Shaq next season).

Best!=most all-time though. I think BLK% among guys with a decent volume is a safer bet:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/blk_pct_career.html

Among the top 10 leaders in NBA/ABA history (all >2500 career), here are their lifetime BLK%:

Hakeem 5.39
Mutombo 6.28
Kareem 3.80
Gilmore 3.68
Eaton 6.92
Robinson 5.69
Ewing 4.75
Shaq 4.60
Duncan 4.58
Rollins 6.24

3 have career BLK&% over 6.00. Kareem's would be higher with his first four seasons, but not enough to eclipse that margin. So among guys since they started recording, Deke is my pick (combination of volume and per-shot proficiency; I can't say very definitively now but I feel safe in saying Wilt, Russ, and possibly Nate would also be >6). All-time it's gotta be Russell, who blocked almost as many as Wilt and was skilled at deflecting them to his teammates.

Excellent post. There are very few anywhere that have your statisical knowledge.

Having said that, though, I really think Wilt's and Russell's numbers are probably very low. Even in his very last season in 72-73, and at age 36, Chamberlain was blocking 5.4 shots per game. And from what I have read, and what I personally remember, he blocked considerably more than that in his 71-72 season. And Harvey Pollack is on record as claiming that Wilt probably had entire seasons of 10+. In fact, in the three known h2h's of the 71-72 WCF's, Wilt blocked 15 of KAJ's shots, and was credited with 33 total in the last four games of that series. And in the 71-72 Finals, he averaged 7.4 bpg.

I also found it interesting that in the 143 Russell-Wilt h2h's that you detailed, Russell was credited with 87 blocks in 12 games (7.3 bpg), while Chamberlain had 212 in 23 (9.2 bpg.) Granted, since those were somehow mentioned, and they were only a small amount of their 143 career h2h's, they were probably higher than their norms, but I also suspect that in many games, they were just not brought up.

Regarding Kareem and Nate, I also found it fascinating that a 36 year old Chamberlain, again in his last season, averaged 5.4 bpg, while, the very next season, and when the NBA began "officially" track blocked shots, KAJ averaged 3.5 bpg, and Thurmond was at 2.9 bpg. Kareem's high would be 4.1 bpg, which was at age 28 (in his 75-76 season.) I am absolutely convinced a 28 year old Wilt was easily blocking 8+ per game, and perhaps much higher.

[LosScandalous]

Wilt and it's not even close.

The NBA didn't even count blocks as a stat until 1 year after Wilt retired....

He'd of own that part of the record books in his prime.

I'd give Mutombo 2nd and Eaton 3rd.

[fpliii]

Excellent post. There are very few anywhere that have your statisical knowledge.

Having said that, though, I really think Wilt's and Russell's numbers are probably very low. Even in his very last season in 72-73, and at age 36, Chamberlain was blocking 5.4 shots per game. And from what I have read, and what I personally remember, he blocked considerably more than that in his 71-72 season. And Harvey Pollack is on record as claiming that Wilt probably had entire seasons of 10+.

I also found it interesting that in the 143 Russell-Wilt h2h's that you detailed, Russell was credited with 87 blocks in 12 games (7.3 bpg), while Chamberlain had 212 in 23 (9.2 bpg.) Granted, since those were somehow mentioned, and they were only a small amount of their 143 career h2h's, they were probably higher than their norms, but I also suspect that in many games, they were just not brought up.

Regarding Kareem and Nate, I also found it fascinating that a 36 year old Chamberlain, again in his last season, averaged 5.4 bpg, while, the very next season, and when the NBA began "officially" track blocked shots, KAJ averaged 3.5 bpg, and Thurmond was at 2.9 bpg. Kareem's high would be 4.1 bpg, which was at age 28 (in his 75-76 season.) I am absolutely convinced a 28 year old Wilt was easily blocking 8+ per game, and perhaps much higher.

You're almost certainly correct, I'm just being super conservative. If very low estimates suffice, no reason to use higher ones.

As I noted, we're going through a lot of Nate files (and obviously more Wilt numbers might come up for his pre-LA years; we have a lot on Russ including every mention from the Globe, so I don't think we'll get too many more on him), so in a few weeks I may have better numbers.

Kareem I'll worry about later on, since Milwaukee papers are available in the Google News archives which are free, so there's no hurry.

[Marchesk]

Regarding Kareem and Nate, I also found it fascinating that a 36 year old Chamberlain, again in his last season, averaged 5.4 bpg, while, the very next season, and when the NBA began "officially" track blocked shots, KAJ averaged 3.5 bpg, and Thurmond was at 2.9 bpg. Kareem's high would be 4.1 bpg, which was at age 28 (in his 75-76 season.) I am absolutely convinced a 28 year old Wilt was easily blocking 8+ per game, and perhaps much higher.

Did the rules change on shot blocking when it became an official stat? Some of the Wilt blocks looked like goal tending (ball on it's way down) to me. I'm wondering if they were more lenient on what constitutes a block in the 60s.

[bdreason]

Mutumbo and Hakeem.

[TheReal Kendall]

From what I've seen I would have to say Mutumbo.

Not much footage on Wilt and Russell

[LAZERUSS]

Did the rules change on shot blocking when it became an official stat? Some of the Wilt blocks looked like goal tending (ball on it's way down) to me. I'm wondering if they were more lenient on what constitutes a block in the 60s.


http://www.rauzulusstreet.com/basketball/nba/nbahistory.htm

[QUOTE]1891 Basketball is invented by Dr. James Naismith, an instructor at a YMCA in Springfield, Massachusetts (Dec 21). Naismith had been asked to come up with an indoor game free of rough play for the football and lacrosse players during the winter. A team consisted of nine players

[Owl]

From the numbers I've seen I feel comfortable enough in saying that:

Wilt (5500-6500, 6+ a game for his career)
Russell (4500-5500, 5+ a game for his career)
Kareem (needs [3830-3189]/321=~2.0 bpg in his first four seasons to jump Hakeem)
Hakeem (3830)

are the top four career shotblockers, in that order. Number five is either Mutombo or Thurmond (who'd need to have averaged [3289-553]/695=~3.94 bpg in his first ten seasons; very much possible but I don't want to go out either way...we're currently doing research on him so I might be able to give a more definitive answer in a week or two). Eaton, the Admiral, Artis Gilmore, Ewing finish out the top 10 (Duncan probably jumps Shaq next season).

Best!=most all-time though. I think BLK% among guys with a decent volume is a safer bet:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/blk_pct_career.html

Among the top 10 leaders in NBA/ABA history (all >2500 career), here are their lifetime BLK%:

Hakeem 5.39
Mutombo 6.28
Kareem 3.80
Gilmore 3.68
Eaton 6.92
Robinson 5.69
Ewing 4.75
Shaq 4.60
Duncan 4.58
Rollins 6.24

3 have career BLK&% over 6.00. Kareem's would be higher with his first four seasons, but not enough to eclipse that margin. So among guys since they started recording, Deke is my pick (combination of volume and per-shot proficiency; I can't say very definitively now but I feel safe in saying Wilt, Russ, and possibly Nate would also be >6). All-time it's gotta be Russell, who blocked almost as many as Wilt and was skilled at deflecting them to his teammates.
Why a 2500 bar though. Bradley blocked enough shots to show it wasn't a fluke and qualify for the block % measure, as did Zo (though at a lesser rate). I'd go further though. Manute Bol was abysmal enough in other areas of the game that he was never going to get enough minutes to. But just their ability to block shots, at least recorded era, probably all time, its Bol.

Others had more impact, because they could stay on court longer. As such their blocking ability had more value. But best at blocking? To me, it has to be Bol.

[Marchesk]

Interesting historical notes, but I was asking whether how officials called goal tending changed when they started officially recording blocks. Again, there are some video highlights of Wilt which look like they would be called goal tending today.

We all know that officials interpret rules differently over time. What's allowed in one era, might be called in another.

[fpliii]

Why a 2500 bar though. Bradley blocked enough shots to show it wasn't a fluke and qualify for the block % measure, as did Zo (though at a lesser rate). I'd go further though. Manute Bol was abysmal enough in other areas of the game that he was never going to get enough minutes to. But just their ability to block shots, at least recorded era, probably all time, its Bol.

Others had more impact, because they could stay on court longer. As such their blocking ability had more value. But best at blocking? To me, it has to be Bol.

That's fine with me, just chose it arbitrarily.

[LAZERUSS]

Interesting historical notes, but I was asking whether how officials called goal tending changed when they started officially recording blocks. Again, there are some video highlights of Wilt which look like they would be called goal tending today.

We all know that officials interpret rules differently over time. What's allowed in one era, might be called in another.

While I am sure that Chamberlain (and Russell) had their share of "legal" goaltends, there were significant moments, in big games, in which Chamberlain was charged with very questionable goaltends. In fact, in game seven of the '62 EDF's, Wilt was called for a goaltend very late, which gave the Celtics a five point lead with 1:24 left. Wilt did tie the game late, with a dunk and the FT, but Sam Jones again hit a game-winner (over the outstretched fingertips of...you guessed it, Wilt.) Many felt that the goaltend was a legal block, and given the fact that Philly lost that game by two points, it was HUGE moment in Wilt's life.

I believe Billy Cunningham told the story that Wilt made a sensational leaping block, in which he tipped the ball at it's apex..and in which the official called it a goaltend. Wilt's coach and teammates erupted, but when they questioned the official, he replied, "We all know that what we just witnessed was physically impossible."

[Marchesk]

I believe Billy Cunningham told the story that Wilt made a sensational leaping block, in which he tipped the ball at it's apex..and in which the official called it a goaltend. Wilt's coach and teammates erupted, but when they questioned the official, he replied, "We all know that what we just witnessed was physically impossible."

Imagine an official being reported as saying something like that today when making a crucial call. I wonder if he really said that.

[Xiao Yao You]

Since they've been keeping track, it's this guy:

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/464/339/886285_display_image.jpg

But Wilt and Russell's unofficial stats would be better, obviously.

Leading not best. The guy had no talent whatsoever. He was just big and could hold his arms up in the air.

[ThaRegul8r]

Leading not best. The guy had no talent whatsoever. He was just big and could hold his arms up in the air.

If I remember correctly, Hakeem credited him as being his toughest defender. How is it then that a guy with "no talent whatsoever" was Hakeem's toughest defender? Must lower your opinion of Hakeem.

[La Frescobaldi]

Interesting historical notes, but I was asking whether how officials called goal tending changed when they started officially recording blocks. Again, there are some video highlights of Wilt which look like they would be called goal tending today.

We all know that officials interpret rules differently over time. What's allowed in one era, might be called in another.
Chamberlain got whistled pretty much constantly on goaltending, by which I mean 2 or 3 a game. A friend of mine heard him tell Hal Greer and Chet Walker that it was a simple matter of playing the odds for him to play the goal tend, because if the ref blew the call, why then the other team doesn't score and most likely it's gonna be Sixers ball..... and if the ref DOESN'T blow the call, so what? The other team was gonna get 2 anyhow so might as well do it.
Jabbar had some of that philosophy too.
Also, as Mark Eaton has always been the first person to say.....It's pretty much an open secret that Wilt Chamberlain taught him how to play NBA level defense during the off-seasons. The results are clear: Eaton has the all-time record!

But there are other guys who aren't getting mentioned here, for example the old Colonels A-Train and Dan Issel. Dan wasn't a great shot blocker but he still blocked tons of shots with his quick arms and lightning wits. How?
He played off Artis' defense! Gilmore was a fantastic shot blocker - real intimidating. So naturally guys would back away from Gilmore........ and right into Issel's zone of operations.
Result; a big fat shot block for #44 Dan Issel

[La Frescobaldi]

Leading not best. The guy had no talent whatsoever. He was just big and could hold his arms up in the air.

What an absurd thing to say.

Yao Ming was like 6 inches taller than Eaton. How come he didn't block even more shots than Mark did? He couldn't hold his arms up in the air?

[RedBlackAttack]

Leading not best. The guy had no talent whatsoever. He was just big and could hold his arms up in the air.
Wow... what a horrible post in the middle of a really excellent thread. Eaton is as underrated as it gets. He never gets mentioned among the best centers of his day, but he was a defensive monster and not just by being a great shotblocker. He was an all-around defensive stud.

There have been a lot of really tall, really big guys over the years. There's a reason Eaton's shotblocking numbers blow most of them out of the water and I can assure you it wasn't because he had "no talent whatsoever."

In addition to his defensive prowess, he was also a great rebounder.

Eaton was a monster before he started having back issues.

[Xiao Yao You]

If I remember correctly, Hakeem credited him as being his toughest defender. How is it then that a guy with "no talent whatsoever" was Hakeem's toughest defender? Must lower your opinion of Hakeem.

He was like a human wall. He gave the Lakers a tough time too but he was clueless. He'd turn around not knowing where the ball was with his arms up and get a block. The Jazz had a hard time initially adjusting to life without him but eventually were better defensively and of course offensively where they could play 5 on 5. Not a coincidence that they went to the finals without him.

[fpliii]

He was like a human wall. He gave the Lakers a tough time too but he was clueless. He'd turn around not knowing where the ball was with his arms up and get a block. The Jazz had a hard time initially adjusting to life without him but eventually were better defensively and of course offensively where they could play 5 on 5. Not a coincidence that they went to the finals without him.

Huh? Care to elaborate? The Jazz from 84-85 through 88-89 were ridiculous on that end.

[Xiao Yao You]

What an absurd thing to say.

Yao Ming was like 6 inches taller than Eaton. How come he didn't block even more shots than Mark did? He couldn't hold his arms up in the air?

He had short arms for a guy his size for starters. Also Eaton often stood near half court while his teammates played 4 on 5 at the offensive end so he could get back on D.


he was also a great rebounder.

One year he did well. Not great though. Very little on the offensive glass because he wasn't around the basket.


The Jazz from 84-85 through 88-89 were ridiculous on that end.

And they have all those great playoff results to show for it. Were better without him at both ends of the court. Went to two finals.

[fpliii]

And they have all those great playoff results to show for it. Were better without him at both ends of the court. Went to two finals.

They improved offensively significantly, but how did they get better defensively? They were more mobile on that end yes, but their team defense?

[Xiao Yao You]

They were more mobile on that end yes

You answered your own question.

[MP.Trey]

You answered your own question.
Mobility's the only thing we're using to measure defense now? :confusedshrug:

[Xiao Yao You]

Mobility's the only thing we're using to measure defense now? :confusedshrug:

No but it made them a better defensive team.

[Patrick Chewing]

Blake Griffin

[ProfessorMurder]

From the numbers I've seen I feel comfortable enough in saying that:

Wilt (5500-6500, 6+ a game for his career)
Russell (4500-5500, 5+ a game for his career)
Kareem (needs [3830-3189]/321=~2.0 bpg in his first four seasons to jump Hakeem)
Hakeem (3830)

are the top four career shotblockers, in that order. Number five is either Mutombo or Thurmond (who'd need to have averaged [3289-553]/695=~3.94 bpg in his first ten seasons; very much possible but I don't want to go out either way...we're currently doing research on him so I might be able to give a more definitive answer in a week or two). Eaton, the Admiral, Artis Gilmore, Ewing finish out the top 10 (Duncan probably jumps Shaq next season).

Best!=most all-time though. I think BLK% among guys with a decent volume is a safer bet:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/blk_pct_career.html

Among the top 10 leaders in NBA/ABA history (all >2500 career), here are their lifetime BLK%:

Hakeem 5.39
Mutombo 6.28
Kareem 3.80
Gilmore 3.68
Eaton 6.92
Robinson 5.69
Ewing 4.75
Shaq 4.60
Duncan 4.58
Rollins 6.24

3 have career BLK&% over 6.00. Kareem's would be higher with his first four seasons, but not enough to eclipse that margin. So among guys since they started recording, Deke is my pick (combination of volume and per-shot proficiency; I can't say very definitively now but I feel safe in saying Wilt, Russ, and possibly Nate would also be >6). All-time it's gotta be Russell, who blocked almost as many as Wilt and was skilled at deflecting them to his teammates.

Great post. Too bad we'll never know about the guys before they started tracking the stat...

I got in many a fight about how I thought Mutombo was better than Hakeem when it came to blocking shots. Mutombo has a lower fouls per block rate than Hakeem too.

Eaton and Bol blocked a ton of shots, but they didn't have that presence that other big time defenders had in my opinion.

[fpliii]

Great post. Too bad we'll never know about the guys before they started tracking the stat...

I got in many a fight about how I thought Mutombo was better than Hakeem when it came to blocking shots. Mutombo has a lower fouls per block rate than Hakeem too.

Eaton and Bol blocked a ton of shots, but they didn't have that presence that other big time defenders had in my opinion.

1) It's not much of a consolation, but there were a lot of mentions in newspapers (and the same statkeepers who tracked it when it was official seem to have recorded at least in the couple of years before 73-74), so we can get ballpark ideas. Imperfect, but the estimates you can produce aren't bad.

2) That's another great point. I'm a little busy at the moment, but it'd be cool to look at that for 15-25 guys.

3) I think that's subjective. Eaton definitely seems to have intimidated guys, but he wasn't really a traditional anchor/interior defender. Bol was great at blocking shots, but he's a weird case for obvious reasons.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Eaton and Bol blocked a ton of shots, but they didn't have that presence that other big time defenders had in my opinion.

Eaton definitely had that presence. He was the primary reason the Jazz were a top 3 defense from '85-'89 and #1 four times in that span.

[kNicKz]

Mutombo is the best I have seen. I know Camby isn't at their tier but he has put together many block parties which are worth noting

[KOBE143]

SG - Kobe

All time - Hakeem

[fpliii]

SG - Kobe

All time - Hakeem

Whose gimmick are you, seriously?

[Fudge]

When it's all said and done, Serge Ibaka.

[BasedTom]

SG - Kobe

Wade is a better blocker.

[fsvr54]

What is this obsession with singling out one single player as the greatest anything?

[ProfessorMurder]

1) It's not much of a consolation, but there were a lot of mentions in newspapers (and the same statkeepers who tracked it when it was official seem to have recorded at least in the couple of years before 73-74), so we can get ballpark ideas. Imperfect, but the estimates you can produce aren't bad.

2) That's another great point. I'm a little busy at the moment, but it'd be cool to look at that for 15-25 guys.

3) I think that's subjective. Eaton definitely seems to have intimidated guys, but he wasn't really a traditional anchor/interior defender. Bol was great at blocking shots, but he's a weird case for obvious reasons.

I had a breakdown of Mutombo vs. Hakeem in a text file that I put together, but I'm not sure where it is. I'll take a look in the next few days.

True about Eaton, I regretted lumping him in like that actually once I hit 'post'. He was massive and definitely intimidated people, he was just a tad on the stiff side.


Eaton definitely had that presence. He was the primary reason the Jazz were a top 3 defense from '85-'89 and #1 four times in that span.

Yeah, I f*cked up.

[brandonislegend]

Blake Griffin
:oldlol:

[fpliii]

What is this obsession with singling out one single player as the greatest anything?

Valid criticism, but generally these threads breed some good discussion before they go to hell. For the most part, you're going to have a bunch of guys with an argument so there's usually gonna be a top tier everyone can agree on with regards to whatever skill/categorization.

Plus, it's the offseason.


I had a breakdown of Mutombo vs. Hakeem in a text file that I put together, but I'm not sure where it is. I'll take a look in the next few days.

True about Eaton, I regretted lumping him in like that actually once I hit 'post'. He was massive and definitely intimidated people, he was just a tad on the stiff side.



Yeah, I f*cked up.

Sounds good. :cheers:

[KOBE143]

Whose gimmick are you, seriously?
:facepalm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emK6uLpnlFk

Who do you think is a better shot blocker in the sg position than Kobe, seriously?

I give you MJ but Kobe wins in longevity and consistency.. Maybe Wade was a better shot blocker for a year or two and thats it.. Theres a reason why Kobe has the record for the most All Defensive Team selection and shot blocking is one of those..

[fpliii]

:facepalm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emK6uLpnlFk

Who do you think is a better shot blocker in the sg position than Kobe, seriously?

I give you MJ but Kobe wins in longevity and consistency.. Maybe Wade was a better shot blocker for a year or two and thats it.. Theres a reason why Kobe has the record for the most All Defensive Team selection and shot blocking is one of those..

Wade, Jordan, West and Gervin if you consider him to be a 2 are all definitely better.

Shot-blocking by perimeter players is nice and makes for cool highlights, but doesn't necessarily make a great defender. Don't cite All-Defensive teams by Kobe, that's asinine. Please don't derail the thread.

[KOBE143]

Wade, Jordan, West and Gervin if you consider him to be a 2 are all definitely better.

Shot-blocking by perimeter players is nice and makes for cool highlights, but doesn't necessarily make a great defender. Don't cite All-Defensive teams by Kobe, that's asinine. Please don't derail the thread.
I dont derail this thread.. Its you who question my opinion..

I said Hakeem is my all time best shot blocker of all time.. Because I list Kobe for the sg that makes my opinion invalid.. Kobe has a case for the sg and I believe his the best in his position.. So what's wrong with that?

[fpliii]

I dont derail this thread.. Its you who question my opinion..

I said Hakeem is my all time best shot blocker of all time.. Because I list Kobe for the sg that makes my opinion invalid.. Kobe has a case for the sg and I believe his the best in his position.. So what's wrong with that?

Over Wade, Jordan, West, and Gervin? Really?

Whatever man.

[KOBE143]

Over Wade, Jordan, West, and Gervin? Really?

Whatever man.
I know a little or nothing about West and Gervin but over Wade and Jordan, Yes.. I put Kobe over those two because of his longevity and consistency and his highlights are far better than Wade and Jordan..

[Nezty]

LeBron or Dwight


Why is everything LeBron to you? Hop off his D!ck.


:coleman:

[deja vu]

LeBron or Dwight
Your LeBron d*ckriding is now getting too far. :lol

[I<3NBA]

SG - Kobe

way to ruin the thread, retard. and no, even at SG, it's not Kobe. it's Wade by a LARGE MARGIN.

[Legends66NBA7]

way to ruin the thread, retard. and no, even at SG, it's not Kobe. it's Wade by a LARGE MARGIN.

Thread was probably ruined on the first page.

And Wade isn't a large margin ahead of Michael Jordan either.

[Round Mound]

[B]EATON. He is the Best Rim Protector I

[LAZERUSS]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]EATON. He is the Best Rim Protector I

[Round Mound]

He was by far the best shot-blocker of his era.

BTW, I did some quick research, and in their 51 career h2h's, I had Hakeem averaging about 22.5 ppg on .479 shooting against him (in leagues with FG%'s as high as .492, and even higher eFG%'s.) And keep in mind that Hakeem put up some big games against Eaton near the end of Eaton's career, and when he was well past his prime. I believe Eaton held Hakeem to .409 shooting in their 87-88 h2h's.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=eatonma01&p2=olajuha01

And while KAJ was over 40 at the time, in their 87-88 seven game playoff series, Eaton held KAJ to 12.4 ppg on a .389 FG%.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=abdulka01&p2=eatonma01


Moses shot relatively poorly against Eaton, as well. But, the two only went h2h in two games at what would have been considered Moses' peak/prime ('78-79 thru 82-83.)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=eatonma01&p2=malonmo01

[B]Big Mark is one of the Most Underrated Players Ever. That 1988 Jazz Team > 1997 or 1998 Jazz Teams vs the Bulls. That 88 Jazz Team Would Have Given Jordan-Pippen-Rodman

[Xiao Yao You]

I had a breakdown of Mutombo vs. Hakeem in a text file that I put together, but I'm not sure where it is. I'll take a look in the next few days.

True about Eaton, I regretted lumping him in like that actually once I hit 'post'. He was massive and definitely intimidated people, he was just a tad on the stiff side.



Yeah, I f*cked up.

A tad? He was the biggest stiff ever. Literally and figuratively.

[Xiao Yao You]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Big Mark is one of the Most Underrated Players Ever. That 1988 Jazz Team > 1997 or 1998 Jazz Teams vs the Bulls. That 88 Jazz Team Would Have Given Jordan-Pippen-Rodman

[WillC]

I'm going to choose the person who:

1) Pioneered shot blocking
2) Probably averaged the most bpg in NBA history

Bill Russell

[cos88]

bill russell for me. all his blocks where for his teammates and the fast breaks. biggest winner in sports.

[Sarcastic]

The guy who blocked the most unblockable shot of all time twice in a row

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/089/4/1/skyhookgif3_by_dantheman9758-d4uenol.gif

[poido123]

The guy who blocked the most unblockable shot of all time twice in a row

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/089/4/1/skyhookgif3_by_dantheman9758-d4uenol.gif

Nice pick :applause: A guy who can block that shot must rate right at the top, so I agree.

Mutumbo would have to be right there too and Russell who has already been mentioned.

[f0und]

kobe kids just cant accept that kobe isnt the best at everything. kobe isnt even a good shotblocker at sg. mediocre at best. but THE best shotblocking sg? whatever. theres jordan and wade. then theres everyone else.

i remember reading a thread on here discussing who the most frugal NBA players are. i think matt bonner ended up winning that discussion being that he didnt even own a car at the time when he played for toronto. anyways, some kobe kid chimed in and threw kobe's name out there. then another poster responded by pointing out that kobe takes a helicopter to practice everyday. lol

[ThaRegul8r]

kobe kids just cant accept that kobe isnt the best at everything. kobe isnt even a good shotblocker at sg. mediocre at best. but THE best shotblocking sg?

I don't see why it would be surprising that a poster with "Kobe" in his name would reply "Kobe" in a thread containing the words "Best" and "of All-Time?" in the title.

[Xiao Yao You]

Most frugal? Who was it that buys a couple subway sandwiches with his meal money while on the road while pocketing the rest?