Eagles WR: "I will fight every n***** here"

[32jazz]

If you look around? alot of kids today whether they are white, brown, Chinese, they use the word in some way.. There is a video posted on this site with mexicans guys fighting and I hear the word in that video more than I have ever heard it anywhere.. The word is used in different ways by different people..

Like I said.. Context is everything ... People dont seem to want to acknowledge that

I use the example all the time of the kid who calls his sister "fatty" as a inside joke/term of endearment.. He can say it to her and nothing bad will come of it.. But if the next door neighbor decides to start calling her "fatty"? there is probably going to be a fight..

Ive said before, I have friends of different ethnic backgrounds and sometimes they call each other derogatory names (Dago, wop).. They can do that because there is a certain level of comfort and trust they have with each other..

I grew up in a black neighborhood that had a small number of whites in it.. these white people had gained the trust of the black people in the community and if they were to use the word? no one would be upset.. My wife is Italian, and she has dropped it a few times since we been together (over 20 years).. She also grew around black people and she would use it like a black woman would (n*gga please)..

The thing I notice about white people who grow up around black people is that they dont have the same problems talking about race and they dont experience the same awkward feelings other white people do... I see alot of white people who say the wrong things at the wrong times to minorities.. They lack the experience to know what to say and when.. I also notice that white people who spend alot of time with black people dont use the word often even if they have the privilege to.. They dont abuse the privilege..

Its more about being adjusted to the culture you are in.. Some people can handle it and some people cannot.

I can take my wife to out to a function and she can meet some black women from my job, or some friends of mine and she never has a problem saying the wrong things or tripping over herself when talking to black folks because she has the experience and knows how to speak in context

The point is that the way words are used is more important than the actual words that are used.. Words have multiple meanings in different contexts around different people and it would serve everybody better if we acknowledge that when talking about words we use, and who should say what, and when they should say it..

The word isnt going away, so people just need to learn what words they can say, and words they cannot say..

I dont have any problems with my friends who have terms they use among themselves.. I know if I can use the term too or whether I shouldnt use them..

Amazing how White people whine about the "n-word" & complain about a double standard,huh? They must really 'really want to use that word:oldlol:


Young women call themselves Bishes all the time so it's perfectly okay for us to call their wives ,daughters,sisters,etc...the b-word too?


There are songs by women like"I am bish" (Morissette), Skinny Bish products ,books ,etc.....


Had Tony Kornheiser of ESPN said Hannah Storm was 'too old a bish' to dress like she does he would probably be out of work or close to it.


So because many women call themselves & other women bishes all time is it okay for you to call their wives, girlfriends,mothers,sisters,daughters, or random women ,etc...the B-Word?

White people need to stop belly aching over the N-word & I don't see a need for long philosophical discussions explaining it to them.

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[ace23]

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How is that racist? Only a racist/stupid person would interpret that as racist.

[dkmwise]

Watched the clip and it was pretty bad, not trying to defend cooper here by any means (actually hate the eagles). But isn't it odd to just think about the fact that we live in a world where an athlete could be found to have raped or murdered someone and there's never any talk about how his teamates will now accept him and how they'll look at him as a person, but someone while intoxicated uses really bad languauge and reports are he may never play in the league again because what people think about him? What he said was bad, no doubt, but shouldn't violent actions that come with physical harm to others be looked at as worse than words? Sticks and Stones.....

[No_Look604]

wait soooo....no black guys stepped up to chincheck'd this fool?

(I did not watch the video)

I guess it's 50/50....you hear someone say that you either think he's an idiot or the muddapucka can fight..

[senelcoolidge]

These people are hypocrites. I bet you walk into any locker room and you will hear the "N" word used. On top of that you can't tell me that these people are offended. What Cooper did was stupid, but people do stupid things all the time.

[guy]

They aren't comparable and common sense should tell you I harbor no ill feelings toward mentally handicapped peeps

Its very comparable to you calling people stupid or uneducated though

Umm those aren't even close to comparable. I think most people don't think that calling someone a retard means you have ill feelings toward mentally disabled people. Doesn't mean its not offensive. Just like when someone says "thats gay" over something that has nothing to do with sexuality, most people don't think that person is trying to express ill feelings towards homosexuals, but people would find that offensive. Ask a person that has a close family member with a mental disability if they are indifferent towards the word "retard", and they are most likely going to say they aren't.

[PistonsFan#21]

These people are hypocrites. I bet you walk into any locker room and you will hear the "N" word used. On top of that you can't tell me that these people are offended. What Cooper did was stupid, but people do stupid things all the time.

i bet you anything no players call each other ''n1ggers'' in the locker room.

[MavsSuperFan]

These people are hypocrites. I bet you walk into any locker room and you will hear the "N" word used. On top of that you can't tell me that these people are offended. What Cooper did was stupid, but people do stupid things all the time.

there is a difference from black people calling each other the N-word and a white person calling black people the N-word. it not that big of a sacrifice not calling black people the N-word. Lets just as white people not do it.

[ace23]

I feel black people are easily the most sensitive group...of ANY group in America....to any slights, disrespects, offensive language...whatever. You can pretty much get away of making fun of any group you want except for black people....
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=309641

[OldSkoolball#52]

i bet you anything no players call each other ''n1ggers'' in the locker room.

Ohhhhh yeah they do.

You can claim "no, its *****, that's different!"

But really thats just because whichever ones started calling each other that had some mix of souther/urban blaccent and that's how it came out. Nobody sat down and thought "Maybe if I call my fellow man a variation of the word ******, we can turn this into a positive!"

It probably started with older black dudes calling younger black dudes n1gger as a means to elevate themselves just like they'd seen other whites do. Just like some old black men will call younger dudes "boy" in order to establish heirarchy.

However it came about, the fact is at the end of the day if you came into the locker room sayin "Any n1gga pop they quarterback I finna give you a G-stack"... you're still starting your sentence by saying ******.

[OldSkoolball#52]

there is a difference from black people calling each other the N-word and a white person calling black people the N-word. it not that big of a sacrifice not calling black people the N-word. Lets just as white people not do it.


Ok. We'll have different standards. That'll promote equality.

They can use the word. We can't.

I also think it would promote equality if we used separate drinking fountains as well as separate words.

What do you think?

[JMT]

Ok. We'll have different standards. That'll promote equality.

They can use the word. We can't.

I also think it would promote equality if we used separate drinking fountains instead of separate words.

What do you think?


White people can say it. Anyone can.

Just like any other speech, freedom to say it doesn't exclude you from consequences for doing so.

[OldSkoolball#52]

White people can say it. Anyone can.

Just like any other speech, freedom to say it doesn't exclude you from consequences for doing so.

Agreed.

I just hate how the same people who are like "don't you say it, but let them say it" are the same people who will claim they're promoting "equality"

That's basically implied inferiority. "Oh come on, they're black, just let them say it." Like we shouldn't have the same standards for them? I've heard black people say ******, and they were NOT being nice. They were chastising the black community and black habits. This idea that all black people say it pleasantly, and all white people say it with hostility, is nonsense. So to claim it should be socially acceptable for one RACE of people to use a specific word, seems to imply an inequality. The same way whites justified using separate water fountains, professing that the races were not equal and should not be mixed.


Too many liberals of all colors want to OVER compensate past denial of rights, access, inclusion, etc. with EXTRA rights, access, and inclusion today. That's not equality. That's just pushing the pendulum in the other direction, and all it does is tick off a lot of white people today who had nothing to do with slavery, jim crowe, segregation and so forth. If you want equality, then demand equality. If you just want a special "pet" race you can stick up for and feed and comb and pet and take care of like a dog, because you think they cant stand on their own two.... then just say it.

[JMT]

Agreed.

I just hate how the same people who are like "don't you say it, but let them say it" are the same people who will claim they're promoting "equality"



Equality doesn't mean everybody gets exactly the same. It means everybody has the same opportunities. And it has little to do with what words or behavior may be acceptable within or to members of a certain group.

It's not surprising you've taken the stance you have. Your attempts at communication are filled with name calling, insults and pigeon-holing people into groups.

You decided that's comfortable for you. Others don't feel the same way.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Equality doesn't mean everybody gets exactly the same. It means everybody has the same opportunities. And it has little to do with what words or behavior may be acceptable within or to members of a certain group.

Ohhh, it most certainly starts that way.

When you segregate people in any way, it is implied that there is a reason. People will draw their own conclusions, develop their own perceptions, create their own explanations, no matter what the original purpose was.

It doesn't mean you have to ENCOURAGE white people or anyone else to say the word. You can personally find it more distasteful when a white person uses it than a black person. But when you make a fuss openly about it, you are essentially saying "this WORD is for these people, not for those people" and you are creating a division. That may then make a white person resentful, who then decides to say something passive-aggressively derisive about black people next time he's in their presence, and then THEY get defensive and retaliate etc.

Perception becomes reality. When you give black people special treatment, you are implying that they need it. When whites gave themselves special treatment during Jim Crowe, they were implying that they deserved it.

If you say you believe in equality, then put forth a public proclamation that "some people can say a certain word, but others cant" you are being a hypocrite. Again, that doesn't mean you WANT white people to go around saying ******. It means you are simply leaving that as their choice to make, just as it is a black persons choice to make if they want to say f@ggot and you don't find that tasteful, or if a chinese person calls a mexican a beaner, or whatever. If you apply one standard to white people that is drastically different than everyone else.... what are you saying?

[JMT]

Ohhh, it most certainly starts that way.

When you segregate people in any way, it is implied that there is a reason. People will draw their own conclusions, develop their own perceptions, create their own explanations, no matter what the original purpose was.



Allowing a culture or people to express themselves and frowning on others that take that expression out of context is not segregation.

And again, you keep going back to this misguided notion that "equality" means everything is exactly the same for everyone. It's not. Equality is everyone having the same rights and opportunities to do with what they will.

You don't have to continue the discussion. You've decided that it's ok for you to call anyone whatever you like, and are simply fishing for justification. If we're discussing the "N" word, your argument is that whites can say it because blacks call each other that, the ludicrous "double standard" defense. I have to assume your view on the word "fa@@ot" is the same from your extensive use of that one.

But you have no problem with the word "retard", and people with developmental disabilities most assuredly don't use that word among themselves. Same for "beaner" and others you've mentioned.

People are always going to find ways to justify their behavior, regardless of how abhorrent it may be. You do yours under the paper-thin guise of promoting "equality".

If you're incapable of speaking without relying on words that are universally known to be hateful toward a particular group of people... no matter how casual the use, or how enlightened you think your views on the subject are ... you support hate filled speech. It's really that simple.

[intrinsic]

If you look around? alot of kids today whether they are white, brown, Chinese, they use the word in some way.. There is a video posted on this site with mexicans guys fighting and I hear the word in that video more than I have ever heard it anywhere.. The word is used in different ways by different people..

Like I said.. Context is everything ... People dont seem to want to acknowledge that

I use the example all the time of the kid who calls his sister "fatty" as a inside joke/term of endearment.. He can say it to her and nothing bad will come of it.. But if the next door neighbor decides to start calling her "fatty"? there is probably going to be a fight..

Ive said before, I have friends of different ethnic backgrounds and sometimes they call each other derogatory names (Dago, wop).. They can do that because there is a certain level of comfort and trust they have with each other..

I grew up in a black neighborhood that had a small number of whites in it.. these white people had gained the trust of the black people in the community and if they were to use the word? no one would be upset.. My wife is Italian, and she has dropped it a few times since we been together (over 20 years).. She also grew around black people and she would use it like a black woman would (n*gga please)..

The thing I notice about white people who grow up around black people is that they dont have the same problems talking about race and they dont experience the same awkward feelings other white people do... I see alot of white people who say the wrong things at the wrong times to minorities.. They lack the experience to know what to say and when.. I also notice that white people who spend alot of time with black people dont use the word often even if they have the privilege to.. They dont abuse the privilege..

Its more about being adjusted to the culture you are in.. Some people can handle it and some people cannot.

I can take my wife to out to a function and she can meet some black women from my job, or some friends of mine and she never has a problem saying the wrong things or tripping over herself when talking to black folks because she has the experience and knows how to speak in context

The point is that the way words are used is more important than the actual words that are used.. Words have multiple meanings in different contexts around different people and it would serve everybody better if we acknowledge that when talking about words we use, and who should say what, and when they should say it..

The word isnt going away, so people just need to learn what words they can say, and words they cannot say..

I dont have any problems with my friends who have terms they use among themselves.. I know if I can use the term too or whether I shouldnt use them..

I don't care if the word goes away or it doesn't. What I don't understand is why any black person wants to use it around any white person they consider a friend if they're going to have issue with their friend saying it incorrectly. Why put a friend in that kind of spot? In your example, the brother shouldn't have showed his friend it was acceptable by calling his sister a fatty in front of his friend.

[Rasheed1]

I don't care if the word goes away or it doesn't. What I don't understand is why any black person wants to use it around any white person they consider a friend if they're going to have issue with their friend saying it incorrectly. Why put a friend in that kind of spot? In your example, the brother shouldn't have showed his friend it was acceptable by calling his sister a fatty in front of his friend.

you're not being realistic...

Some women call each other the b*tch in certain settings.. Some gays call each other f@g in certain settings.. different races of people joke amongst each other and say things that couldnt be said by a stranger..

Thats the way people communicate in certain contexts..

you should be socially aware enough to understand the context of the conversations you have with other people... Its not a difficult concept to comprehend..

if you meet a group of girls and they joke with each other and call each other b*tches? Dont be silly enough to think you can do it too..

If you see your dad call your mom by her first name, does that mean you can call her by her first name too?

I dont think so...

be socially adept enough to understand the intimacy of relationships and what is acceptable..

Riley Cooper understands why what he said caused a problem with his teammates..

They werent supposed to hear that.. They werent supposed to see that side of him, but someone got it on tape..

Every person has to be responsible for the words they use, and the actions they take... know your audience and you wont have these problems

[intrinsic]

you're not being realistic...

Some women call each other the b*tch in certain settings.. Some gays call each other f@g in certain settings.. different races of people joke amongst each other and say things that couldnt be said by a stranger..

Thats the way people communicate in certain contexts..

you should be socially aware enough to understand the context of the conversations you have with other people... Its not a difficult concept to comprehend..

if you meet a group of girls and they joke with each other and call each other b*tches? Dont be silly enough to think you can do it too..

be socially adept enough to understand the intimacy of relationships and what is acceptable..

Riley Cooper understands why what he said caused a problem with his teammates..

They werent supposed to hear that.. They werent supposed to see that side of him, but someone got it on tape..

Every person has to be responsible for the words they use, and the actions they take... know your audience and you wont have these problems

We're having two entirely different discussions here. I'm talking about people you'd call your friends, not someone you just met. The social awareness falls both ways. Do you like to feel excluded amongst your friends? I don't.

[Rasheed1]

We're having two entirely different discussions here. I'm talking about people you'd call your friends, not someone you just met. The social awareness falls both ways. Do you like to feel excluded amongst your friends? I don't.


I dont think you comprehend that friends have an understanding... Friends speak a certain way around each other..

If a white person is my (close) friend and we use that word in my circle? Then there will be no issue when the white person says it if they understand the CONTEXT in which the term is being used..

Like I said earlier, White people who tend to socialize with black people alot dont seem to have those problems...

Nobody gets upset if they use the word because they have the proper understanding of how and when to use the word..

Im not getting what is so difficult to understand about that... :confusedshrug:

and as far as feeling excluded... I dont feel excluded if I cannot call someone a b*tch or a n*gger :oldlol: thats crazy..

Like I said, I have friends who say things to each other that I wouldnt bother repeating... I dont even have a desire to say those things and I certainly dont feel excluded because they say it and I dont..

My sister curses around my parents... but I dont.. I dont want to.. It makes me uncomfortable.. I could probably get away with it if I wanted to but I dont.. Everybody doesnt have to have the same rules in order for people to have good relationships with each other.

[Rasheed1]

Here's a good hypothetical...

Lets say I have friend who occasionally hits his wife in front of me.. Can I hit her too?

Am I being excluded if I cant ?

[intrinsic]

If a white person is my (close) friend and we use that word in my circle? Then there will be no issue when the white person says it if they understand the CONTEXT in which the term is being used..




I'm probably wrong, but this reads like you enjoy holding the power to arbitrarily decide whether or not the word was used in appropriate context. I can't see any other reason there would be a qualifier emphasized with capitalization.

I'm not asking for a relative personal experience. I'm asking if you've ever considered what it's like to be the white guy amongst a group of mostly minorities. And, if that would change anything about usage of the word in those particular environments.

[intrinsic]

Here's a good hypothetical...

Lets say I have friend who occasionally hits his wife in front of me.. Can I hit her too?

Am I being excluded if I cant ?

That's felony assault. How is that a good hypothetical?

[Rasheed1]

I'm probably wrong, but this reads like you enjoy holding the power to arbitrarily decide whether or not the word was used in appropriate context. I can't see any other reason there would be a qualifier emphasized with capitalization.

Context is capitalized because that is the key to this whole discussion. Its not arbitrary.. It is defined by the conversation and the person's relationship with the people he is talking to...

If you just met some black guys and you are becoming their friend? Dont say the word .... you dont know them well enough.

If you have some black friends you have grown up with your whole life (like they are practically your family)? You probably will know when it is appropriate to use the term... White people who hang around black people dont usually have a problem knowing when to say the word (if at all).. Ive heard them do it, and nobody got mad or upset.. It was the same as if a black person had just said it..




I'm not asking for a relative personal experience. I'm asking if you've ever considered what it's like to be the white guy amongst a group of mostly minorities. And, if that would change anything about usage of the word in those particular environments.

Ive never been a white guy.. but I have been a black guy around alot of white people... Some call each other Pollocks.. Some call each other Wop or Dago... For me, there are certain words that I dont say, it doesnt matter who Im around.. Yes, I know what it is like to the minority in a group where people use "charged" language..

In general people talk the way they talk, and they arent going to suddenly change the way they speak to each just to accommodate one person. If you are the lone white guy? you have figure a way to fit in :confusedshrug: For me being the only black guy is certain situations, I just dont use certain terms. It doesnt matter what they say, I dont say it.. That way, I dont have any problems with people misunderstanding my intent..


That's felony assault. How is that a good hypothetical?

Doesnt matter if its a crime or not...

I'm simply drawing out the idea that some people feel excluded if they cant do the same things everybody else does..


In your example, the brother shouldn't have showed his friend it was acceptable by calling his sister a fatty in front of his friend.

If a guy hits his wife, is he showing you that it is acceptable to hit his wife also?

There is a role that each person plays in every group they interact with.. sometimes it is wise to know your role and just stick to that... Roles can change over time, but each person should be aware of what is and what isnt acceptable in any relationship they engage in

[Rasheed1]

:oldlol:

And only total cvnts get offended when you call them a bitch. You don't want to be on good terms with them anyhow.

So any person who gets mad if you call them a b*tch is actually a c*nt?
:biggums:

[intrinsic]

Doesnt matter if its a crime or not...

I'm simply drawing out the idea that some people feel excluded if they cant do the same things everybody else does..



If a guy hits his wife, is he showing you that it is acceptable to hit his wife also?

There is a role that each person plays in every group they interact with.. sometimes it is wise to know your role and just stick to that... Roles can change over time, but each person should be aware of what is and what isnt acceptable in any relationship they engage in

Only have time to respond to this part right now.

It absolutely matters whether the action is a crime or not. A guy hitting his wife is doing so with bad intentions. That is clear.

A white guy sprinkling ***** into a conversation with friends can be doing so with good intentions. There's no real good analogy to draw here.

[Rasheed1]

Only have time to respond to this part right now.

It absolutely matters whether the action is a crime or not. A guy hitting his wife is doing so with bad intentions. That is clear.

A white guy sprinkling ***** into a conversation with friends can be doing so with good intentions. There's no real good analogy to draw here.

OK... Since that one is too heavy for you, lets lighten it up


Like I said earlier... If your father calls your mother by her first name, do you get to do it too? Is he showing you that it is acceptable?

How if he calls her "baby" in your presence... Does that mean you can call her that too?

[Rasheed1]

A white guy sprinkling ***** into a conversation with friends can be doing so with good intentions. There's no real good analogy to draw here.


say what you want, but be aware enough to understand if it is appropriate or not..

If you offend people? they arent going to excuse you because you had "good intentions" :oldlol: you just need to be socially aware

[Bucket_Nakedz]

say what you want, but be aware enough to understand if it is appropriate or not..

If you offend people? they arent going to excuse you because you had "good intentions" :oldlol: you just need to be socially aware
so true. non blacks who say ***** to friends is like a bus pass. but white folks want dat passport

[JMT]

A white guy sprinkling ***** into a conversation with friends can be doing so with good intentions.

There's an old saying that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

And what possible "good intentions" could result in feeling the necessity to use that word? I don't care who you're hanging around with. Nobody will ever notice if you delete that word from your vocabulary. Nobody.

I was the only freshman and the only white guy on a college basketball team. Had some enemies, made some friends. There were times that those guys said things amongst themselves that I might not hear among my other friends. At no time did that make me feel compelled to emulate them in order to gain acceptance.

By the same token, some of those guys would have felt uncomfortable around my non-basketball friends. That's on the individual. Either you're secure in who you are and have standards that aren't impacted by present company, or you're the type of person that craves acceptance so badly that you'll say anything to anyone as long as it gets a favorable reply.

[longtime lurker]

Only have time to respond to this part right now.

It absolutely matters whether the action is a crime or not. A guy hitting his wife is doing so with bad intentions. That is clear.

A white guy sprinkling ***** into a conversation with friends can be doing so with good intentions. There's no real good analogy to draw here.

It seems like you really want to be able to say the n word.

[JMT]

It seems like you really want to be able to say the n word.


Hammer, meet nail. People are going to an awful lot of lengths to justify their right to say one word. Must be a really important word to them.