Barnes bulks up for small ball

[SacJB Shady]

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/07/29/barnes-bulks-up-for-small-ball/

HANG TIME HEADQUARTERS

[dbk123]

SHUT THE FCUK UP SHADY

[StocktonFan]

SHUT THE FCUK UP SHADY

[Beatlezz]

SHUT THE FCUK UP SHADY

[Fudge]

shut the fcuk up shady

[Rubio2Gasol]

Good Article. Hopefully he moves well and stays injury free. Seen guys bulk up and end their career.

[aj1987]

SHUT THE FCUK UP RUBIO

[RoundMoundOfReb]

SHUT THE FCUK UP SHADY

[KG215]

So Shady, in your opinion, does this make him a top five PF, too?

[SacJB Shady]

SHUT THE FCUK UP SHADY


You guys seriously need to shut up. THese are legitimate threads. Stop trolling.

[SacJB Shady]

So Shady, in your opinion, does this make him a top five PF, too?


Well he's more of a combo forward. He certainly has potential to be one of the top combo forwards.

[Sarcastic]

If he put on 15 pounds of muscle, then he almost assuredly took steroids. It's impossible to put on that much muscle weight in such a short time.

[SacJB Shady]

If he put on 15 pounds of muscle, then he almost assuredly took steroids. It's impossible to put on that much muscle weight in such a short time.


It could have been an exaggeration. But also with muscle comes extra water, glycogen, and things like that that can add up.

[Fudge]

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[SacJB Shady]

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leave me the hell alone. I came here to talk about basketball.

[CanYouDigIt]

leave me the hell alone. I came here to talk about basketball.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[CeltsGarlic]

how tall is he?
no way he can play pf.

[dbk123]

leave me the hell alone. I came here to talk about basketball.
SHUT THE FCUK UP SHADY

[Johnny Jones]

You guys seriously need to shut up. THese are legitimate threads. Stop trolling.
go **** yourself shady

[KG215]

how tall is he?
no way he can play pf.
:confusedshrug:

6'7" without shoes and 6'8" with shoes, with a 6'11.25" wingspan. There's other full-time PF's of similar size. Besides, he'd be playing PF in smallball lineups, like he did, a lot, in the playoffs after Lee got hurt; and he was pretty damn effective doing so.

[kaiteng]

As long as his skills don't go down with body mass, he should be fine. He would still have a tough time containing elite PFs anyway though.

[Beatlezz]

DONT SHUT THE FCUK UP SHADY
KEEP CREATING THREADS
I WANT SOME NASTY

[Bandito]

If he put on 15 pounds of muscle, then he almost assuredly took steroids. It's impossible to put on that much muscle weight in such a short time.
It took me like 7 months to go from 159 to 199 pounds in muscle gain (truth is I think it should be like 20 to 25 because I am sure I gain fat). So him to gain 10 to 15 pounds of muscle in 2 months...that is just impossible without taking steroids.

[Tking714]

PEDs at work again. You cant put on 15 lbs of muscle in 2 months

[sc19]

These cyber bullying will eventually make OP commit suicide.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

can ppl stufoo about the 10-15lbs = steroids? It was just some blogger saying Barnes looks like he gained 10-15lbs. I don't think he's been weighed yet.

And no, 10 lbs in 2 months is NOT hard at all. F*cking dumbasses.

[Cleverness]

"He gained 15 pounds of muscle."

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=308823&page=3

[SyRyanYang]

It took me like 7 months to go from 159 to 199 pounds in muscle gain (truth is I think it should be like 20 to 25 because I am sure I gain fat). So him to gain 10 to 15 pounds of muscle in 2 months...that is just impossible without taking steroids.

:facepalm So your rule applies to everyone else and if others' gain does match yours they're on roids?
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Great Logic
:biggums:

[JerryWest]

He bulked up pretty fast..... (cough) (peds) (cough)

[VIntageNOvel]

You guys seriously need to shut up. THese are legitimate threads. Stop trolling.

actually hes right, this is legitimate thread,
you guys should spam shut the **** up tony not this :facepalm

[dbk123]

Black genetics plus he is ****ing 6'8. Of course he can gain weigt faster than someone a foot shorter.

[Nezty]

Lol, all the guys posting the bolded text are great.


:applause: :bowdown:

[buddha]

doesn't look much bigger at all.

[Bandito]

:facepalm So your rule applies to everyone else and if others' gain does match yours they're on roids?
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Great Logic
:biggums:
Of course not, I am making a point that it is very hard to gain muscle, and in two months there is no way you are going to gain 10 to 15 pounds unless you are injecting yourself (or are a freak of nature). If you knew anything about lifting and gaining muscle you'll know this, as it is common sense. Look at Lebron, he has a lot muscle and it took him years to get where he is.(I think he started to lift weights seriously around 2004).

[Bandito]

Black genetics plus he is ****ing 6'8. Of course he can gain weigt faster than someone a foot shorter.
THis doesn't even make sense. Why him being six foot eight has to do with anything?:roll:

[Kuma]

It took me like 7 months to go from 159 to 199 pounds in muscle gain (truth is I think it should be like 20 to 25 because I am sure I gain fat). So him to gain 10 to 15 pounds of muscle in 2 months...that is just impossible without taking steroids.

If you gained even close to 20 pounds of muscle in 7 months, then you are almost 100% on steroids too. On average, the most you can gain naturally in a year is around 5-10 pounds. Even with beginner gains, 25 pounds is a huge amount, and in just over half a year.


can ppl stufoo about the 10-15lbs = steroids? It was just some blogger saying Barnes looks like he gained 10-15lbs. I don't think he's been weighed yet.

And no, 10 lbs in 2 months is NOT hard at all. F*cking dumbasses.

10lbs of weight, yes, it's not hard. But 10lbs of muscle is absolutely insane. People here don't understand the difference between weight and muscle.

As I mentioned above, that's an insane amount of MUSCLE to gain in 2 months. Perhaps you should do a bit of research before you call anyone a dumbass?

This article obviously exaaggerated the amount of muscle gained, if he did put on that much weight, then some of it or most of it is definitely not muscle.

[mugiwara]

If he put on 15 pounds of muscle, then he almost assuredly took steroids. It's impossible to put on that much muscle weight in such a short time.


lol no.

[fiddy]

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[bdreason]

:oldlol: @ people acting like puting on 20lbs is hard for a 6'8" athlete whose only job is to train.


Barnes is going to beast next year. He's already shown a decent feel on the post, and he also has 3-point range. Teams are going to be pulling their hair out trying to matchup with our small ball lineup.

[VIntageNOvel]

If you gained even close to 20 pounds of muscle in 7 months, then you are almost 100% on steroids too. On average, the most you can gain naturally in a year is around 5-10 pounds. Even with beginner gains, 25 pounds is a huge amount, and in just over half a year.



10lbs of weight, yes, it's not hard. But 10lbs of muscle is absolutely insane. People here don't understand the difference between weight and muscle.

As I mentioned above, that's an insane amount of MUSCLE to gain in 2 months. Perhaps you should do a bit of research before you call anyone a dumbass?

This article obviously exaaggerated the amount of muscle gained, if he did put on that much weight, then some of it or most of it is definitely not muscle.

this is correct, naturally depending on you height, 5-10 pounds of pure muscle /year

[Rubio2Gasol]

That is usually how you gain weight. You gain weight, then when it comes nearer to the season you shed the excess fat you gained while bulking to get into game shape.

[VIntageNOvel]

Harrison Barnes is 6'8 and has access to any supplement he wants, professional trainers and the most modern equipment.

He can't put on 10 punds in 2 months?

SMH.

all muscle? no, not with an already well trained body
but no one say its all muscle

he want to get bigger and stronger, so he doesnt get push around on the post,
so not nessecarily need pure muscle

[Kuma]

this is correct, naturally depending on you height, 5-10 pounds of pure muscle /year

Height will make a difference, but it won't make a phenomenal difference. So 5-10 is about right, perhaps a little more if you have great genetics. But 10-15 in 2 months, absolutely not happening.


That is usually how you gain weight. You gain weight, then when it comes nearer to the season you shed the excess fat you gained while bulking to get into game shape.

Nice edit there. Did you realise what you originally said wasn't true?

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

This article obviously exaaggerated the amount of muscle gained, if he did put on that much weight, then some of it or most of it is definitely not muscle.
which was my point. It's just some blogger making a guestimate based on an observation. He looked bigger. Big deal (no pun intended).

As for this "research" you speak of, I know body builders (no joke) and I know it can't be hard for a professional athlete to naturally gain 1lb of muscle a week (top of the line trainers, nutritionists, facilities, etc). Amateurs can do it for chrissake. 2 months = 8lbs of muscle. It's really not out of the realm of possibility a 6'8" pro athlete gains 10lbs, even of pure muscle, in 2 months.

[Kuma]

all muscle? no, not with an already well trained body
but no one say its all muscle

he want to get bigger and stronger, so he doesnt get push around on the post,
so not nessecarily need pure muscle

The article in the first post says it's 10-15 lbs of muscle.

[VIntageNOvel]

which was my point. It's just some blogger making a guestimate based on an observation. He looked bigger. Big deal (no pun intended).

As for this "research" you speak of, I know body builders (no joke) and I know it can't be hard for a professional athlete to naturally gain 1lb of muscle a week (top of the line trainers, nutritionists, facilities, etc). Amateurs can do it for chrissake. 2 months = 8lbs of muscle. It's really not out of the realm of possibility a 6'8" pro athlete gains 10lbs, even of pure muscle, in 2 months.

no, not at all, thats why there's this thing called HGH/steroid etc
again, i dont think he use it, he will trimmed down when the game start,

[LT Ice Cream]

Wow people are stupid if they think a pro athlete can't gain 15 lbs. in two months.

1. HB is 210 lbs. so a 15lb. increase is only 7% of his body weight.

2. The blogger didn't necessarily say it was 15lbs. of muscle. When you put on weight its never pure muscle anyway.

3. These guys have nutritionists and trainers.

4. Barnes is a gym rat.

I hope everyone making the HGH arguments are trolling

[SamuraiSWISH]

If he put on 15 pounds of muscle, then he almost assuredly took steroids. It's impossible to put on that much muscle weight in such a short time.
Preach. 15 lbs of pure muscle in such short period of time can ONLY be done with steroids. I've seen actors do it for action roles. Otherwise, it's physically impossible. Kobe did it in the summer of 2002. From the time he showed up at Rucker in early July to when he reported to training camp he gained a very quick, and alarming 15 lbs of pure upper body muscle. No coincidence it was the same season he started having knee issues.

[Kuma]

which was my point. It's just some blogger making a guestimate based on an observation. He looked bigger. Big deal (no pun intended).

As for this "research" you speak of, I know body builders (no joke) and I know it can't be hard for a professional athlete to naturally gain 1lb of muscle a week (top of the line trainers, nutritionists, facilities, etc). Amateurs can do it for chrissake. 2 months = 8lbs of muscle. It's really not out of the realm of possibility a 6'8" pro athlete gains 10lbs, even of pure muscle, in 2 months.

I know bodybuilders too, but that in no way validates either of our claims. Do a little research, the going figure is 5-10lbs of pure muscle in a year time-frame. Perhaps it's a little bit more for some, perhaps a little less for others. I'm not saying it's set at that, but it's in that general area.

What you're saying is that in 1/6th of that time stipulated, someone can gain the same amount naturally. It's just not realistically possible. 10-15lbs of combined muscle and fat, sure, that's easy, but pure muscle? Not happening. His height isn't going to make him 6x the muscle building specimen of an average guy. Training, nutrition and facilities (especially facilities) don't make THAT much of a difference. We're talking 6x better here.

You simply don't understand that a 10-15 lb pure muscle gain in 8 weeks is phenomenal. If Harrison Barnes has gained 10-15lbs of muscle naturally in 8 weeks then he is the biggest genetic freak in the history of the world. That's equivalent to someone on a testosterone cycle, in fact I have a study handy that demonstrates 6.2kg gains for those on a test cycle over a 10 week period.

[Kuma]

Wow people are stupid if they think a pro athlete can't gain 15 lbs. in two months.

1. HB is 210 lbs. so a 15lb. increase is only 7% of his body weight.

2. The blogger didn't necessarily say it was 15lbs. of muscle. When you put on weight its never pure muscle anyway.

3. These guys have nutritionists and trainers.

4. Barnes is a gym rat.

I hope everyone making the HGH arguments are trolling

The blogger DID say it was muscle; ''especially when it

[SpurrDurr]

The article mentions 10 to 15 pounds of new muscle.

If it was a mix between fat, muscle and water i'd say it's possible and kinda easy for an athlete gain that weight.

But no way a guy can gain 15 pounds of muscle in 2 months without steroids.

[Fresh Kid]

shut tha hell up shady.

[Cali Syndicate]

Why him being six foot eight has to do with anything?:roll:

10-15 pounds of muscle is different for some one who is 6'8" than someone who is 5'8" no?

[bdreason]

Stop arguing semantics. The author obviously isn't a physical trainer and simply used the phrase "10-15 pounds of muscle" in error.

[Kuma]

Stop arguing semantics. The author obviously isn't a physical trainer and simply used the phrase "10-15 pounds of muscle" in error.

It's not semantics. Yes, the author probably didn't mean it so literally, but some posters have gone on to say that it is possible, so now whether or not that statement is true is being argued.

[mugiwara]

It's not semantics. Yes, the author probably didn't mean it so literally, but some posters have gone on to say that it is possible, so now whether or not that statement is true is being argued.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcz_kDCBTBk

[ZenMaster]

Stop arguing semantics. The author obviously isn't a physical trainer and simply used the phrase "10-15 pounds of muscle" in error.

Exactly, plus these guys all do it anyways so there's no need to single Barnes out.

[ThickassGlasses]

The blogger DID say it was muscle; ''especially when it’s 10 to 15 pounds of new muscle''.

The person who took exception to this was Sarcastic who said that he couldn't have gained 15lbs if muscle naturally. Emphasis on the word muscle.

Barnes being a gym rat pushes the possibility of it being true even further away as he is less likely to get beginner gains (perhaps the only thing that would make this idea of 10-15lbs of muscle in 2 months even remotely possible as a natural athlete).

Nutritionists and trainers do not make someone 6x as good as the average person in terms of genetic limits. Not with something like this,

It's really clear as to who has no experience in this field, and who has done little to no research in this field either.

If Barnes has never been on a good training program it is absolutely possible, especially if a good nutrition plan has been implemented. Will the trend continue? No way, but if this is the first time he has had proper programming (which I doubt) then it is.

Over the past 12 weeks I went from 208lbs to 220lbs and even dropped my body fat half a percent (from 8.3 to 7.8, so semi-comparable to a pro athlete). That puts it around 12 pounds of muscle and water weight, and I have been training since HS but over the past 2 years I've learned a lot more about proper programming, training, and nutrition. I am in no way getting beginner gains, but still was able to get 12 pounds in 12 weeks (and two guys that did the same program with me gained 8lbs staying at the same BF, and gained 10 lbs going up only half a percent in BF).


So yes, it is possible. But Barnes should have been on an elite level strength and conditioning plan for the last 3 years/offseasons MINIMUM, if not back into HS days, which would make this near impossible without PED usage.

[Kuma]

If Barnes has never been on a good training program it is absolutely possible, especially if a good nutrition plan has been implemented. Will the trend continue? No way, but if this is the first time he has had proper programming (which I doubt) then it is.

Over the past 12 weeks I went from 208lbs to 220lbs and even dropped my body fat half a percent (from 8.3 to 7.8, so semi-comparable to a pro athlete). That puts it around 12 pounds of muscle and water weight, and I have been training since HS but over the past 2 years I've learned a lot more about proper programming, training, and nutrition. I am in no way getting beginner gains, but still was able to get 12 pounds in 12 weeks (and two guys that did the same program with me gained 8lbs staying at the same BF, and gained 10 lbs going up only half a percent in BF).


So yes, it is possible. But Barnes should have been on an elite level strength and conditioning plan for the last 3 years/offseasons MINIMUM, if not back into HS days, which would make this near impossible without PED usage.

How did you determine your body fat percentage?

[Flash31]

If Barnes has never been on a good training program it is absolutely possible, especially if a good nutrition plan has been implemented. Will the trend continue? No way, but if this is the first time he has had proper programming (which I doubt) then it is.

Over the past 12 weeks I went from 208lbs to 220lbs and even dropped my body fat half a percent (from 8.3 to 7.8, so semi-comparable to a pro athlete). That puts it around 12 pounds of muscle and water weight, and I have been training since HS but over the past 2 years I've learned a lot more about proper programming, training, and nutrition. I am in no way getting beginner gains, but still was able to get 12 pounds in 12 weeks (and two guys that did the same program with me gained 8lbs staying at the same BF, and gained 10 lbs going up only half a percent in BF).


So yes, it is possible. But Barnes should have been on an elite level strength and conditioning plan for the last 3 years/offseasons MINIMUM, if not back into HS days, which would make this near impossible without PED usage.



Yes its possible to gain 10-15 pounds of pure
muscle in 2 months naturally,though extremely improbable,
nearly impossible and beyond extremely rare.

You basically have to be almost a beginner,are overweight,have a lot of fat,
or have an unusually high amount of testosterone in your system.


Gaining 10-15 pounds in 2 months is possible,10-15
pounds of pure muscle on the other hand not happening.

Even for a beginner or seriously overwwight person
the most they can gain of solid muscle in a year is 20-25 pounds of pure muscle
due to training,beginner gains,fat loss,body composition,even skinny people can.

After that it drops by half
10-12 pounds in a year
then 5-6 pounds and it remains constant
about 5-6 pounds of muscle a year.

For a pro athlete with very low bodyfat already and is already on
a high training program,10-15 pounds of pure muscle
is saying something

[Bandito]

Yes its possible to gain 10-15 pounds of pure
muscle in 2 months naturally,though extremely improbable,
nearly impossible and beyond extremely rare.

You basically have to be almost a beginner,are overweight,have a lot of fat,
or have an unusually high amount of testosterone in your system.


Gaining 10-15 pounds in 2 months is possible,10-15
pounds of pure muscle on the other hand not happening.

Even for a beginner or seriously overwwight person
the most they can gain of solid muscle in a year is 20-25 pounds of pure muscle
due to training,beginner gains,fat loss,body composition,even skinny people can.

After that it drops by half
10-12 pounds in a year
then 5-6 pounds and it remains constant
about 5-6 pounds of muscle a year.

For a pro athlete with very low bodyfat already and is already on
a high training program,10-15 pounds of pure muscle
is saying something
You have to have an unusual, even unheard of amount of testosterone though. Never of anyone doing that in such sort amount of time though.

[DuMa]

no before and after pics?

[Flash31]

No elite bodyb uilder,nobody gains 10-15 pounds
of pure muscle in 2 months while already being a high conditioned athlete.

Even the most of genetically gifted people dont do it,
beginner gains can happen sure,but
definitely not if toure already a high trained conditioned athlete to begin with.




Its like everybody is Christian Bale
who gained 100 pounds in under 6 months to play Batman
than lost 60 pounds and then gained 80 pounds in 4 months.

Nobody goes from malnouriahed,120 pound stick to
230 pound jacked Grown Man in under 6 months

without something.


Its like when Kobe went from 210 to 230
in 2 months gaining all that muscle and bately any fat,come on.


If gains were that easy and could be done naturally,every ody would be jacked and ripped, but its not

beginner gains for a year 15-25 pounds of pure muscle
then 10-12
than 5-6 than lower and lower each year

even if you hit the genetic lottery its not goong to be much bigger or vetter than that

Its one thing to go from small to big
its another to go from well conditioned decent sized athlete to an
even bigger extremely conditioned athlete.

Going 150-185,190 when youre 6'2
teah okay

going 205-210 to 230-235 when youre 6'5
no

Either that or

Lance Armstrong gave some tips to well conditioned atetes on how to gain
muscle really quickly.

[Kuma]

For a pro athlete with very low bodyfat already and is already on a high training program,10-15 pounds of pure muscle
is saying something

It's saying that that person is the most genetically gifted person in the history of the world.

[WolfGang]

Stop comparing people with average height to these fvcking giants.

If I gained 15lbs of muscle I would change greatly because of my height but Harrison probably wouldnt looknany different. 15lbs is a lot more to someone that is 5'7 than someone that is 6'8. All of his limbs are much longer than the average human.

[Mighty Dogg]

Think about it like this: 15 lbs of muscle in 2 months is on track for 90 lbs of muscle in a year. Obviously there are diminishing returns with muscle gains, but c'mon. That's ridiculous. I would believe 15 lbs of weight, mostly muscle, if he was already muscular at one point in his life. He is a professional athlete and people who are extremely conditioned gains muscle faster than someone who just works out but is not conditioned.

[ThickassGlasses]

How did you determine your body fat percentage?

7 Site skin fold done by the same person all three times. Done every time between 11 and noon, fasted for 12+ hours, and using an average of three measurements at each site.

Tried to keep it as consistent as possible.

[ThickassGlasses]

No elite bodyb uilder,nobody gains 10-15 pounds
of pure muscle in 2 months while already being a high conditioned athlete.

Even the most of genetically gifted people dont do it,
beginner gains can happen sure,but
definitely not if toure already a high trained conditioned athlete to begin with.




Its like everybody is Christian Bale
who gained 100 pounds in under 6 months to play Batman
than lost 60 pounds and then gained 80 pounds in 4 months.

Nobody goes from malnouriahed,120 pound stick to
230 pound jacked Grown Man in under 6 months

without something.


Its like when Kobe went from 210 to 230
in 2 months gaining all that muscle and bately any fat,come on.


If gains were that easy and could be done naturally,every ody would be jacked and ripped, but its not

beginner gains for a year 15-25 pounds of pure muscle
then 10-12
than 5-6 than lower and lower each year

even if you hit the genetic lottery its not goong to be much bigger or vetter than that

Its one thing to go from small to big
its another to go from well conditioned decent sized athlete to an
even bigger extremely conditioned athlete.

Going 150-185,190 when youre 6'2
teah okay

going 205-210 to 230-235 when youre 6'5
no

Either that or

Lance Armstrong gave some tips to well conditioned atetes on how to gain
muscle really quickly.

I disagree to the extent that it matters what your training looks like and has looked like. Or if your nutrition has been lacking. Or you have been ignoring your nutrition. ect..

Until you get everything nailed down and go through it for a while, you have untapped gains that can very from person to person.

But again, Barnes should have had all this at UNC and his first year in the NBA.

[Kuma]

7 Site skin fold done by the same person all three times. Done every time between 11 and noon, fasted for 12+ hours, and using an average of three measurements at each site.

Tried to keep it as consistent as possible.

You do realise that skin fold tests only determine subcutaneous fat? You would need to get a DEXA scan done to properly determine it.

Second of all, you are straight up lying if you think you actually gained 12lbs of pure muscle in 12 weeks. By saying what you have, you are telling me that your genetics allow you to gain muscle at 4x the rate of the average intermediate level lifter.

Let's apply your assertion a little more. Did you know Ronnie Coleman put on 40lbs in a 9 month off season between the 2002 and 2003 Mr Olympia? This is Ronnie Coleman, one of the greatest bodybuilders ever, who is on a huge amount of gear and has great genetics and a life completely devoted to bodybuilding, with the best trainers, facilities, supplements, food etc available to him. Even with all of that, Ronnie's 40lb gain was and is seen as phenomenal.

So what you're telling me is that in that same time frame, based on your 12lb gain over 12 weeks, you would be only slightly behind Ronnie Coleman in terms of muscle gained. You're saying that naturally, you were able to gain at almost the same rate as someone using basically all of the following:

Test cyp
eq
Tren Ace
win
anavar
proviron
HGH
clen
t3
igf1lr3
arimidex ED

To put it more simply, you are claiming to be an absolute genetic freak unrivaled by any other individual in human history. Yet people are really trying to say that it was possible for Barnes to naturally gain 10-15lbs of muscle in 8 weeks.:oldlol:

[ILLsmak]

You would think steroids can only make 15 pounds, but pro athletes can also afford legal supplements and I'm sure are taking tons of protein shakes like Nitro-Tech or MetRX shakes. Maybe even legal testosterone boosters.

Nah, it's PEDs. That's cool tho. I like him. I think he can play PF because PF, especially in today's league, is a mentality.

-Smak

[mugiwara]

Nah, it's PEDs. That's cool tho. I like him. I think he can play PF because PF, especially in today's league, is a mentality.

-Smak

:cheers:

smack always spittin' truth

[SpurrDurr]

Anyway the need Bogut to be healthy, GSW can't play small ball with Barnes and Lee. They'd get murdered inside the paint.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Its like everybody is Christian Bale
who gained 100 pounds in under 6 months to play Batman
than lost 60 pounds and then gained 80 pounds in 4 months.
Christian Bale absolutely took steroids between the conclusion of shooting the Machinist, and pre-production on BEGINS. In fact, he got too bulky for the start of filming, and was asked to slim down some and tone up to reflect a strong physique but toned like a martial artist. You can even see his weight fluctuating in the film in the cowl, as the movie isn't shot in sequential order.

[Big Cheese]

:roll: at 15 pounds of muscle in 2 months. I dont think yall realize how much ****ing muscle that is.

[SpurrDurr]

Now I ain't no expert here, but I think that a professional athlete can gain much more than the average Joe. The consensus is that most people cannot gain 15 pounds of muscle in 2 months or so. But I think for a top conditioned athlete, those rules don't apply. They can do double or triple the amount. Plus Barnes is 6 foot 8.

I'm no expert either but it should be quite the opposite. Fat guys or skinny ones that are undereating should gain muscles faster than an already muscular athlete.

Also height doesn't matter, 15 lbs of muscle are the same in a short or tall guy. The only difference is that you can notice it easily on a short guy.

[Kuma]

Now I ain't no expert here, but I think that a professional athlete can gain much more than the average Joe. The consensus is that most people cannot gain 15 pounds of muscle in 2 months or so. But I think for a top conditioned athlete, those rules don't apply. They can do double or triple the amount. Plus Barnes is 6 foot 8.

:coleman:

Read my Ronnie Coleman example before you make another dumb post.

[sundizz]

Christian Bale absolutely took steroids between the conclusion of shooting the Machinist, and pre-production on BEGINS. In fact, he got too bulky for the start of filming, and was asked to slim down some and tone up to reflect a strong physique but toned like a martial artist. You can even see his weight fluctuating in the film in the cowl, as the movie isn't shot in sequential order.

Christian Bale was "tempted" to take steroids.

The actor considered experimenting with the substances when he was trying to build up his physique for roles in 'Batman Begins' and 'American Psycho'.

He admitted: "I was lifting really heavy weights that I could never dreamof lifting now and probably never will again.

"A number of people have said, 'You could never have done that without some kind of steroids.' Not to say I wasn't tempted.

"When I was getting ready for 'American Psycho' I'd never been in a gym in my life and I was working out like crazy, so I thought, 'Maybe it ain't such a big deal, just take some 'roids' and I can speed up this whole process.' "

Christian was deterred from taking the drugs after being warned of potential side effects.

He explained: "I called up the store where they're selling that sort of stuff and asked, 'Have you used it? And side effects?' 'No no. I mean, really minimal. Your balls might shrink and you might get acne.' I'm like, there's no way in hell I'm going to touch anything like that and damn those who think I did."

While he shunned illegal substances to transform his appearance, Christian did undergo cosmetic dental work - which he still regrets.

He added to Esquire magazine: "When I did 'American Psycho' I did fix my very English teeth, which I miss dearly. But Bateman couldn't have had the teeth I had. I kept a mould of my old ones because I did like them and knew I'd miss them."

[devin112]

SHUT THE **** UP SHADY

[sundizz]

A lot of you are pretty ridiculous. You realize the 5 factors for how fast muscle can be gained/the amount of muscle that can be gained are: training age, hormonal profile, muscle memory, supplements, and MOST IMPORTANTLY the (in the case of super athletes like a NBA player) genetics as it relates to the genetic bell curve of maximum muscle potential.

A super athlete is not in the normal 68% range. They are very likely that they 3rd standard deviation and are much more on the end of the spectrum that puts on muscle very easily.

For example, even assuming normal genetics like the rest of us, and using the Alan Aragon model:

Beginner 1-1.5% of total body weight per month
Intermediate .5-1% of total body weight per month
Advanced .25-.5% of total body weight per month

Let's say Barnes can do 1% per month that 2.3 pounds per month. More likely, given his genetic profile he can put on closer to 2% since he probably is beginner in terms of NBA level strength training. That's about 4.6 pounds of pure muscle a month. If he puts on 6 pounds of mostly muscle and a little fat then he easily hits that 12 pounds in two months.

I know the math/assumptions I'm making are a bit shoddy, but the point is that he is not in the norm of genetic profiles we use to talk about gaining muscle. He is clearly in the 3rd standard deviation and a weight training program would definitely let him get up 10-15 pounds of mostly muscle + a little fat.

[Flash31]

Christian Bale was "tempted" to take steroids.

The actor considered experimenting with the substances when he was trying to build up his physique for roles in 'Batman Begins' and 'American Psycho'.

He admitted: "I was lifting really heavy weights that I could never dreamof lifting now and probably never will again.

"A number of people have said, 'You could never have done that without some kind of steroids.' Not to say I wasn't tempted.

"When I was getting ready for 'American Psycho' I'd never been in a gym in my life and I was working out like crazy, so I thought, 'Maybe it ain't such a big deal, just take some 'roids' and I can speed up this whole process.' "

Christian was deterred from taking the drugs after being warned of potential side effects.

He explained: "I called up the store where they're selling that sort of stuff and asked, 'Have you used it? And side effects?' 'No no. I mean, really minimal. Your balls might shrink and you might get acne.' I'm like, there's no way in hell I'm going to touch anything like that and damn those who think I did."

While he shunned illegal substances to transform his appearance, Christian did undergo cosmetic dental work - which he still regrets.

He added to Esquire magazine: "When I did 'American Psycho' I did fix my very English teeth, which I miss dearly. But Bateman couldn't have had the teeth I had. I kept a mould of my old ones because I did like them and knew I'd miss them."


Tempted,my a$$

He gained over 100+ pounds in under 6 months
and 80 plus the second time in under 4 months

come on


Genetics,hard work,diet bull bull bull

Look at Tom Hardy who had to gain 40 pounds in 4 months
and look at his back and all

and then look at how quickly bale went from small,averafe suze to jacked
in an extremely sgort amount


Bale went from 120 to 230 in under 6 months
then he went from 150 to 235 in 4-5 months time

come on

He didnt just gain 10-15,maybe 20-30 pounds of muscle no
he gained over 45-60 pounds of pure muscle in under 6 months

come on

[WolfGang]

You do realise that skin fold tests only determine subcutaneous fat? You would need to get a DEXA scan done to properly determine it.

Second of all, you are straight up lying if you think you actually gained 12lbs of pure muscle in 12 weeks. By saying what you have, you are telling me that your genetics allow you to gain muscle at 4x the rate of the average intermediate level lifter.

Let's apply your assertion a little more. Did you know Ronnie Coleman put on 40lbs in a 9 month off season between the 2002 and 2003 Mr Olympia? This is Ronnie Coleman, one of the greatest bodybuilders ever, who is on a huge amount of gear and has great genetics and a life completely devoted to bodybuilding, with the best trainers, facilities, supplements, food etc available to him. Even with all of that, Ronnie's 40lb gain was and is seen as phenomenal.

So what you're telling me is that in that same time frame, based on your 12lb gain over 12 weeks, you would be only slightly behind Ronnie Coleman in terms of muscle gained. You're saying that naturally, you were able to gain at almost the same rate as someone using basically all of the following:

Test cyp
eq
Tren Ace
win
anavar
proviron
HGH
clen
t3
igf1lr3
arimidex ED

To put it more simply, you are claiming to be an absolute genetic freak unrivaled by any other individual in human history. Yet people are really trying to say that it was possible for Barnes to naturally gain 10-15lbs of muscle in 8 weeks.:oldlol:

Ronnie Coleman isn't a 6'8 giant. He is barely above average at 5'11.

[VIntageNOvel]

A lot of you are pretty ridiculous. You realize the 5 factors for how fast muscle can be gained/the amount of muscle that can be gained are: training age, hormonal profile, muscle memory, supplements, and MOST IMPORTANTLY the (in the case of super athletes like a NBA player) genetics as it relates to the genetic bell curve of maximum muscle potential.

A super athlete is not in the normal 68% range. They are very likely that they 3rd standard deviation and are much more on the end of the spectrum that puts on muscle very easily.

For example, even assuming normal genetics like the rest of us, and using the Alan Aragon model:

Beginner 1-1.5% of total body weight per month
Intermediate .5-1% of total body weight per month
Advanced .25-.5% of total body weight per month

Let's say Barnes can do 1% per month that 2.3 pounds per month. More likely, given his genetic profile he can put on closer to 2% since he probably is beginner in terms of NBA level strength training. That's about 4.6 pounds of pure muscle a month. If he puts on 6 pounds of mostly muscle and a little fat then he easily hits that 12 pounds in two months.

I know the math/assumptions I'm making are a bit shoddy, but the point is that he is not in the norm of genetic profiles we use to talk about gaining muscle. He is clearly in the 3rd standard deviation and a weight training program would definitely let him get up 10-15 pounds of mostly muscle + a little fat.

:biggums:
theres aint no way barnes is begginer

this is what begginner looks like
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Overweight_%283%29.jpg

this is barnes pre-NBA body

http://binaryapi.ap.org/1270fa1ac8f24206b723c45a95fd7a55/512x.jpg
he is intermediate at worst
and this is before 1 year of the so-called NBA level training

[grantz]

:roll: at 15 pounds of muscle in 2 months. I dont think yall realize how much ****ing muscle that is.


That's like strapping a bag of rice on your chest of pure muscle. To the average person, 40% of your body is muscle. So say I'm 200lbs, I'm roughly 80lbs of muscle. Adding 15lbs is adding roughly 18-19% of muscle to your body.

That's not possible under normal circumstances.....


but I like Barnes. I doubt he's the only guy doing it c'mon. F-ing Curry needs to get into that action. He's scrawny out there and will likely get injured again going up against these kind of players.

[ThickassGlasses]

You do realise that skin fold tests only determine subcutaneous fat? You would need to get a DEXA scan done to properly determine it.

DEXA is just as inaccurate, hydration plays too much of a role as in hydrostatic weighing.

The numbers don't matter, point is it wen down. I could care less if it's 8 or 12, fact is it went down. Then onto the real point since anyone who trains (themselves or others) knows, the main focus is the actual skinfold measurements, not the BF percent. Skinfolds go down, BF in that area went down. But thanks for playing, sir.

Also, skinfold equations have been altered since DEXA technology has come out. For the majority of the population, their skinfold BF will fall in the margin of error of DEXA measurements.



Second of all, you are straight up lying if you think you actually gained 12lbs of pure muscle in 12 weeks. By saying what you have, you are telling me that your genetics allow you to gain muscle at 4x the rate of the average intermediate level lifter.

Let's apply your assertion a little more. Did you know Ronnie Coleman put on 40lbs in a 9 month off season between the 2002 and 2003 Mr Olympia? This is Ronnie Coleman, one of the greatest bodybuilders ever, who is on a huge amount of gear and has great genetics and a life completely devoted to bodybuilding, with the best trainers, facilities, supplements, food etc available to him. Even with all of that, Ronnie's 40lb gain was and is seen as phenomenal.

So what you're telling me is that in that same time frame, based on your 12lb gain over 12 weeks, you would be only slightly behind Ronnie Coleman in terms of muscle gained. You're saying that naturally, you were able to gain at almost the same rate as someone using basically all of the following:

Test cyp
eq
Tren Ace
win
anavar
proviron
HGH
clen
t3
igf1lr3
arimidex ED

To put it more simply, you are claiming to be an absolute genetic freak unrivaled by any other individual in human history. Yet people are really trying to say that it was possible for Barnes to naturally gain 10-15lbs of muscle in 8 weeks.:oldlol:

See, you are proving your google smart, but not fitness smart.

Your ignoring programming and nutrition. Ronnie Coleman has been on elite level training and nutrition for years, so yes a 40lb muscles gain in 9 months is unheard of. Ten pounds going from average training and average nutrition to elite level training and nutrition makes a world of difference. If you don't believe that, then please stop posting and acting like you know what you're talking about.

I admitted it was 11 pounds of muscle and water, I don't think I would have had much more than 2 pounds extra of water weight so 9 pounds in 12 weeks. I could care less if you believe me or not, I have nothing to lie about, I was just sharing a personal experience that is semi-relatable.

[inclinerator]

barnes was already pretty jacked