is Anthony Bennett the worst use of a #1 overall pick ever?

[TonyMontana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JZr_GKwmtY#at=94

Here is a video of recent Cavaliers number one overall pick Anthony Bennet shooting hoops with CBCs Peter Manbridge.

What we learned from this video
-Anthony Bennet cannot palm a basketball. The last number one overall pick that couldn't palm a basketball? Kwame Brown
-He is chubby
-He can't make jumpshots either(0-3 in the video).

And then of course theres the things everyone knew(hes an undersized tweener). What are the chances this guy turns out good? He wasn't projected until around 7-8, yet the Cavs take him first overall. Terrible front office.

[JtotheIzzo]

video evidence. case closed!

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

how tall is Peter Mansbridge? Google has him at 6' even. Bennett looks just like 4" taller.

[Jameerthefear]

Yes. A one minute and 45 second video is enough to determine what this guy's whole career will be like. Negged *******.

[VIntageNOvel]

i see 1 FG made
and at least 1 rebound and 1 assist :no: ,
his teammates was the one who brickin his assist

so another made up stat to discredit: Lebron teammates, Lebron former teammates, Lebron former team from Tony

[Jailblazers7]

Dat unselfishness. :bowdown:

[Jailblazers7]

how tall is Peter Mansbridge? Google has him at 6' even. Bennett looks just like 4" taller.

You are blind if you think he only looks 4" taller. He is almost a full head taller than him and looks like the 6'7-8" he was measured at.

[B-Low]

Nah I mean honestly no matter how bad he turns out, this draft wasn't talent heavy enough for him to be considered the WORST

Even Kwame's draft wasn't that good. But to me the worst use of a #1 pick ever was for Olawakandi when you consider the players that were taken that year. Dirk, Paul Pierce, Vince Carter etc

[JtotheIzzo]

how tall is Peter Mansbridge? Google has him at 6' even. Bennett looks just like 4" taller.

https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/556689_10153116549715013_1810872502_n.jpg

[JtotheIzzo]

Nah I mean honestly no matter how bad he turns out, this draft wasn't talent heavy enough for him to be considered the WORST

Even Kwame's draft wasn't that good. But to me the worst use of a #1 pick ever was for Olawakandi when you consider the players that were taken that year. Dirk, Paul Pierce, Vince Carter etc

I don't get the negativity?

Freshman stats:

16/8 with 54%/38%/71% shooting while playing hurt the second half of the year. (these numbers are likely higher too if he wasn't kept out of the bulk of a few games in the second half of the season)

6'8" 240 is now a tweener? The kid is 1" shorter than Karl Malone

He's got a 7'1" wingspan and a 39" vertical.

Basically he has the in-game pedigree and the body pedigree (much TOO MUCH is being made about the height).

AND he has a great f*cking attitude and a 100% team first guy who is not afraid to lead.

He measures up in every metric, yet people what to say stupid shit like he can't shoot, because of a couple of half hearted tosses while mic'd up after a long interview in the middle of an injury are a better marker than shooting 38% from 3 for the season.

We need a punch people in the face emoticon around here.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

You are blind if you think he only looks 4" taller. He is almost a full head taller than him and looks like the 6'7-8" he was measured at.
:oldlol: Are you serious? :facepalm

I didn't realize the nose to dome = full head. I mean, this is almost too stupid for me to even bother responding to.

Anyway, my only guess is Manbridge is really like 6'1" and is wearing 2" soles.


https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/556689_10153116549715013_1810872502_n.jpg
yeah, Manbridge's dome goes to Bennett's mouth, perhaps a bit higher. That leaves only about 6" left to Bennett's dome.

edit:
although...Bennett's dome is pretty elevated. Not nice and flat like Manbridge's. I think he gets that extra 2" from that alien dome.

[jbryan1984]

Yet to play in the NBA so we have no clue

[B-Low]

I don't get the negativity?

Freshman stats:

16/8 with 54%/38%/71% shooting while playing hurt the second half of the year. (these numbers are likely higher too if he wasn't kept out of the bulk of a few games in the second half of the season)

6'8" 240 is now a tweener? The kid is 1" shorter than Karl Malone

He's got a 7'1" wingspan and a 39" vertical.

Basically he has the in-game pedigree and the body pedigree (much TOO MUCH is being made about the height).

AND he has a great f*cking attitude and a 100% team first guy who is not afraid to lead.

He measures up in every metric, yet people what to say stupid shit like he can't shoot, because of a couple of half hearted tosses while mic'd up after a long interview in the middle of an injury are a better marker than shooting 38% from 3 for the season.

We need a punch people in the face emoticon around here.

I'm really hoping Bennett can somehow end up playing the 3 for us. On draft night they compared him to Larry Johnson and I'd be perfectly content if that's the kind of player he turned into. We don't need him to be a franchise player, which right away takes a lot of the pressure off of him that most #1 picks feel. He'll be fine either way, but if he can get himself to a physical condition where he'd be able to step in as starting SF, that'd be absolutely ideal

[JtotheIzzo]

I'm really hoping Bennett can somehow end up playing the 3 for us. On draft night they compared him to Larry Johnson and I'd be perfectly content if that's the kind of player he turned into. We don't need him to be a franchise player, which right away takes a lot of the pressure off of him that most #1 picks feel. He'll be fine either way, but if he can get himself to a physical condition where he'd be able to step in as starting SF, that'd be absolutely ideal

He can play the 3.

1-true position is the domain of internet retards, and doesn't mean much in the way basketball is played today.
2-He becomes very valuable in small ball.
3-how many GREAT 3s are in the NBA today? We act like the league is rotten with them, when in reality there are only a few, but because the two best players in the league are 3s we automatically assume it is loaded. and those two best (LeBron and KD) have less than ideal body types for the position.
4-Bennett is long and a good athlete, he can adjust.
5-he basically played a lot of what a 3 does in college.

This kid could be a Charles Barkley type player and while Barkley is considered a 4 he was mostly a 3 in Philly and those were his best years.

[GOBB]

Larry Johnson is a stretch.

Whats with this board recycling the same damn threads?

[Eric Cartman]

If you ask me it is fitting that the worst #1 pick of all time is canadian.

[bagelred]

What are the chances this guy turns out good? He wasn't projected until around 7-8, yet the Cavs take him first overall. Terrible front office.


So here's the thing....if it's a bad pick, tell us NOW who you'd rather have instead. Meaning, you can't wait until a couple years go by and say, "see, the Cavs should have took THIS guy". Whoever ends up being better than Bennett.

You have to pick someone right now. So if it was you TonyMontana, who would you take #1. Pick ONE GUY. And that will be the guy we'll compare to Bennett and see if he ends up better.

[dbk123]

my hands look smaller than his and i can palm a ball. i think he has big palms but short fingers

[RedBlackAttack]

So here's the thing....if it's a bad pick, tell us NOW who you'd rather have instead. Meaning, you can't wait until a couple years go by and say, "see, the Cavs should have took THIS guy". Whoever ends up being better than Bennett.

You have to pick someone right now. So if it was you TonyMontana, who would you take #1. Pick ONE GUY. And that will be the guy we'll compare to Bennett and see if he ends up better.
In a couple years, his account will be banned and he'll be another 5 or 6 usernames past it with a completely different persona and trolling a completely different group of fans.

[gyu]

Hasheem Thabeet.

[RedBlackAttack]

Kyrie Irving is the next big bust (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=227289)

[andremiller07]

Hasheem Thabeet.
Was #2.....but no I don't think Bennett is the worst #1 pick, has enough skills/athletic ability to do well.

[Bobby13]

They wanted to trade their pick down, and when they couldn't, they picked the guy they wanted regardless of whether they had #1. Bennett might not be a finished product right now, but he has talent. You can say the same thing about McLemore: the guy does not look ready right now, but you know he has upside, just needs development.

[WolfGang]

Naa he isn't the worst. Oden just might take that spot. It would be hard knowing you could have had KD instead.

Bennett wasn't the worst player in the draft but he sure as hell wasn't the best. I think he is kinda fat too.

[TheReal Kendall]

Dude look mad chubby.

[deja vu]

Why don't you become GM instead? :lol

[RedBlackAttack]

I was on the record before the draft as wanting Noel, but this guy looks pretty talented to me...

Anthony Bennett - Draft Express (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fmWXFy5amI)

Truthfully, I was so happy the Cavs didn't take either Len or McLemore, Bennett was fine with me. Those two guys scared the hell out of me.

[NumberSix]

https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/556689_10153116549715013_1810872502_n.jpg
Brown women. Always a good choice. :pimp:

[dbk123]

I was on the record before the draft as wanting Noel, but this guy looks pretty talented to me...

Anthony Bennett - Draft Express (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fmWXFy5amI)

Truthfully, I was so happy the Cavs didn't take either Len or McLemore, Bennett was fine with me. Those two guys scared the hell out of me.

I see him being a Paul Millsap type player in the league. Very talented offensive player. Very suspect defense.

Definitely a Top 6 player in this draft, imo, but there are several guys I'd take over him... Noel, Porter, Oladipo, Len.
lol

[RedBlackAttack]

lol
I soured on Len as the draft approached. I never considered Bennett as a potential pick for the Cavs because I assumed Thompson's presence meant PF was off the board. I was looking at it through the lens of other teams at that point.

Hey, if Chris Grant thought he was the best player in the draft -- which he did -- I'm good with it. He knows a hell of a lot more than I do (or anyone else on this site).

[TonyMontana]

Anthony Bennet is a worse pick than Olowokandi or Kwame. Kwame was the same as Dwight. High school center phenom with unlimted potential. One worked, one didn't. Captain Hindsight shit over here. People forget this, but Howard wasn't even projected to go number one. Okafor was. Olowokandi good size, clippers weren't the only team that would pick him first overall. I'm positive Cleveland is the only team that was going to take Anthony Bennet first overall. The least they could have done was trade down. :oldlol:


He can play the 3.

1-true position is the domain of internet retards, and doesn't mean much in the way basketball is played today.
2-He becomes very valuable in small ball.
3-how many GREAT 3s are in the NBA today? We act like the league is rotten with them, when in reality there are only a few, but because the two best players in the league are 3s we automatically assume it is loaded. and those two best (LeBron and KD) have less than ideal body types for the position.
4-Bennett is long and a good athlete, he can adjust.
5-he basically played a lot of what a 3 does in college.

This kid could be a Charles Barkley type player and while Barkley is considered a 4 he was mostly a 3 in Philly and those were his best years.

:oldlol:

This fat boy at the 3 guarding guys like LeBron, Carmelo, and Durant?

Dont make me laugh. This guy is a 4. His handle is weak, he doesn't have NBA three point range, he is too heavy and slow to guard opposing 3s. This guy is a 4.

Charles Barkley a 3?

:roll:


Kyrie Irving is the next big bust (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=227289)

Whats so good about the Irving pick? Congratulations the Cavs drafted an offensive savy scoring 6 foot guard who plays no defense that will demand 15M of their cap.

To be fair that draft was pure garbage. If I was the Cavs I would have traded Irving to a team that overvalues little scoring guards that sell jerseys. He will not be taking that team anywhere unless there is a near allstar at every position.

[andremiller07]

This fat boy at the 3 guarding guys like LeBron, Carmelo, and Durant?
.
Draymond Green did who is not 1/2 the athlete :confusedshrug: and similar size if not smaller....Jared Dudley is also smaller and less athletic and has shown he can defend good SF's at a decent rate so I'm not sure what all this he has no chance to defend SF's is.... There was also Adrian Griffin a little while back who was 6'5 and chubby/slow and played excellent defense for the Mavericks and Bulls and didn't have 1/2 the tools Bennett has to defend @SF.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Funny thing is OP will be cheering for Cavs and Bennett in a years time if LeBron takes his talents back to Cleveland.

Now that i think about it Bennett would be a good fit next to LeBron. He can stretch the floor on offense opening things up for him and Lebron would make up for any rebounding lost by playing Bennett at the 4.

[SmackOrH.A.K]

He'll have a better career than Greg Oden and Michael Olawakandi, but worse then Andrea Bargnani.

[JtotheIzzo]

Anthony Bennet is a worse pick than Olowokandi or Kwame. Kwame was the same as Dwight. High school center phenom with unlimted potential. One worked, one didn't. Captain Hindsight shit over here. People forget this, but Howard wasn't even projected to go number one. Okafor was. Olowokandi good size, clippers weren't the only team that would pick him first overall. I'm positive Cleveland is the only team that was going to take Anthony Bennet first overall. The least they could have done was trade down. :oldlol:



:oldlol:

This fat boy at the 3 guarding guys like LeBron, Carmelo, and Durant?

Dont make me laugh. This guy is a 4. His handle is weak, he doesn't have NBA three point range, he is too heavy and slow to guard opposing 3s. This guy is a 4.

Charles Barkley a 3?

:roll:



Whats so good about the Irving pick? Congratulations the Cavs drafted an offensive savy scoring 6 foot guard who plays no defense that will demand 15M of their cap.

To be fair that draft was pure garbage. If I was the Cavs I would have traded Irving to a team that overvalues little scoring guards that sell jerseys. He will not be taking that team anywhere unless there is a near allstar at every position.

Worse pick than Kwame or Kandi?:roll: You my friend are a moron.

So you reiterate my point that the top few SFs are good? Who actually shuts down LBJ and KD anyways?

What is so good about the Irving pick?:roll: lemme guess, you wanted Derrick Williams?:roll:

Charles Barkley started alongside PFs like Armon Gilliam and Rick Mahorn while in Philly. Do your homework little boy (PS. Mike Gminski and Charles Shackleford were those teams starting 5 man).

Here is an idea, stick to trolling Kobe fans and jerking off to LeBron highlights, that is your value, strength and sole purpose in life.

This is Bennett:

6'8" 240
7'1" wingspan
39" vertical (not bad for a 'fatboy')

16/8 as a Freshman while playing half the season injured.
54/38/71 shooting splits

so basically he has the body, athleticism and in-game pedigree.

add to that a high character, good work ethic, team first player and a natural leader and you have yourself a nice little player.

Irving
Waiters
Bennett
Thompson
Varajao

This starting five does DAMAGE.

Add Jarrett Jack as 6 man...:rockon:

Bring on Andrew Bynum and work him in (leaving the door open to package Varajao for more impact).:rockon:

Cavs made the right choice on Irving (despite the cries for Williams and Kanter), and they made the right choice on Bennett, a future star.

Book it.

Tony Montana = Homosexual troll who knows nothing about basketball (except being an LBJ fanboy) and who loves having long meaty shafts reach the back of his throat.

[dbk123]

^^^^
Bennet is 6'7 in shoes and his vert was not measured at the combine. 39 could be right but it's not official

[TonyMontana]

Worse pick than Kwame or Kandi?:roll: You my friend are a moron.

So you reiterate my point that the top few SFs are good? Who actually shuts down LBJ and KD anyways?

What is so good about the Irving pick?:roll: lemme guess, you wanted Derrick Williams?:roll:

Charles Barkley started alongside PFs like Armon Gilliam and Rick Mahorn while in Philly. Do your homework little boy (PS. Mike Gminski and Charles Shackleford were those teams starting 5 man).

Here is an idea, stick to trolling Kobe fans and jerking off to LeBron highlights, that is your value, strength and sole purpose in life.

This is Bennett:

6'8" 240
7'1" wingspan
39" vertical (not bad for a 'fatboy')

16/8 as a Freshman while playing half the season injured.
54/38/71 shooting splits

so basically he has the body, athleticism and in-game pedigree.

add to that a high character, good work ethic, team first player and a natural leader and you have yourself a nice little player.

Irving
Waiters
Bennett
Thompson
Varajao

This starting five does DAMAGE.

Add Jarrett Jack as 6 man...:rockon:

Bring on Andrew Bynum and work him in (leaving the door open to package Varajao for more impact).:rockon:

Cavs made the right choice on Irving (despite the cries for Williams and Kanter), and they made the right choice on Bennett, a future star.

Book it.

Tony Montana = Homosexual troll who knows nothing about basketball (except being an LBJ fanboy) and who loves having long meaty shafts reach the back of his throat.

PENlS comments because you cannot argue the content? Thats cool if your into that man. Jason Collins came out the other month.

At the time Kandi/Kwame seemed like alright picks. Noone knew. This pick is disaster from the start. Thats why its a worse pick.

Your starting 5 looks like a late lottery pick or a first round sweep. Waiters and Thompson are just two of the high lottery picks Cleveland has wasted in recent years. They are both awful and noone wants them on their team.

Irving does a good job at scoring, but 6 foot guards that dominate the ball and make no defensive impact are overrated. If I want a ball dominant player I will choose Mr. LeBron James 6'8 270 and is an elite rebounder defender AND playmaker. Was Irving even capable of 6 APG despite having a usage rate that high? :oldlol: Have fun building around him and having the majority of your cap space go to that shit.

Clevelands rebuilding has failed. They are now past the point of having top 5 picks and dont have a true franchise cornerstone to show for it. They have wasted the majority of their high picks, and now they are forced to bank on LeBron returning in 2014 for their team to be relevant.

http://pow-tv.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/cavs.jpg

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Whats the plan for Cleveland when LeBron stays in Miami? You think Rudy Gay or Luol Deng is going to make your Irving-Waiters-Thompson-Bennet core a contender? Good luck

[luckylucy]

TonyMontana schooling them :lol :lol

[senelcoolidge]

I hope he does well, but he was a throw away pick at #1. The Cavs were trying to prove a point. Lots of pressure on the kid.

[plowking]

Seems to me like he'll be a better, less selfish version of Corey Maggette to me. I'd say that's worth a first pick depending on the draft.

[RedBlackAttack]

I hope he does well, but he was a throw away pick at #1. The Cavs were trying to prove a point. Lots of pressure on the kid.
Say what?

[DukeDelonte13]

Anthony Bennet is a worse pick than Olowokandi or Kwame. Kwame was the same as Dwight. High school center phenom with unlimted potential. One worked, one didn't. Captain Hindsight shit over here. People forget this, but Howard wasn't even projected to go number one. Okafor was. Olowokandi good size, clippers weren't the only team that would pick him first overall. I'm positive Cleveland is the only team that was going to take Anthony Bennet first overall. The least they could have done was trade down. :oldlol:



:oldlol:

This fat boy at the 3 guarding guys like LeBron, Carmelo, and Durant?

Dont make me laugh. This guy is a 4. His handle is weak, he doesn't have NBA three point range, he is too heavy and slow to guard opposing 3s. This guy is a 4.

Charles Barkley a 3?

:roll:



Whats so good about the Irving pick? Congratulations the Cavs drafted an offensive savy scoring 6 foot guard who plays no defense that will demand 15M of their cap.

To be fair that draft was pure garbage. If I was the Cavs I would have traded Irving to a team that overvalues little scoring guards that sell jerseys. He will not be taking that team anywhere unless there is a near allstar at every position.


Let me preface this by saying i have always maintaned that i want to see AB at the four. I don't think he can play the 3, and i don't think he should. With that said, How many guys in the league can successfully guard Lebron, KD, and Melo?


I mean it doesn't take a genius analayst to come out and say a rookie PF can't guard the top 3 SFs in the league :oldlol:


AB is going to be good in this league. There aren't too many prospects with his size, bounce, rebounding ability and natural offensive talent. He can truly score in a variety of ways.

This dude took years off of playing as a teen and still wound up as a lottery pick. He'll be fine. Will he be the best player in the draft? I have no idea.

[poido123]

Worse pick than Kwame or Kandi?:roll: You my friend are a moron.

So you reiterate my point that the top few SFs are good? Who actually shuts down LBJ and KD anyways?

What is so good about the Irving pick?:roll: lemme guess, you wanted Derrick Williams?:roll:

Charles Barkley started alongside PFs like Armon Gilliam and Rick Mahorn while in Philly. Do your homework little boy (PS. Mike Gminski and Charles Shackleford were those teams starting 5 man).

Here is an idea, stick to trolling Kobe fans and jerking off to LeBron highlights, that is your value, strength and sole purpose in life.

This is Bennett:

6'8" 240
7'1" wingspan
39" vertical (not bad for a 'fatboy')

16/8 as a Freshman while playing half the season injured.
54/38/71 shooting splits

so basically he has the body, athleticism and in-game pedigree.

add to that a high character, good work ethic, team first player and a natural leader and you have yourself a nice little player.

Irving
Waiters
Bennett
Thompson
Varajao

This starting five does DAMAGE.

Add Jarrett Jack as 6 man...:rockon:

Bring on Andrew Bynum and work him in (leaving the door open to package Varajao for more impact).:rockon:

Cavs made the right choice on Irving (despite the cries for Williams and Kanter), and they made the right choice on Bennett, a future star.

Book it.

Tony Montana = Homosexual troll who knows nothing about basketball (except being an LBJ fanboy) and who loves having long meaty shafts reach the back of his throat.


Great post :applause:

Montana was squirming every word he read of that :oldlol:

Montana don't fck with the Cavs fans, that's what you should take from this.

[Sarcastic]

He's definitely up there. He had no real business being the #1 pick. If Noel didn't bust up his knee, he surely would have been #1.

[B-Easy8]

Bennett and Waiters will be the fattest 2/3 combo in the L.

[Owl]

It's certainly way too early to say "worst use ... ever". Maybe let the class play some NBA basketball first?

Also "worst use" rather than just "worst player", implies looking at the context of who was available. By that measure a pick like Bogut (dissapointing, but not a bad player) looks worse because you passed on Chris Paul, wheras Andrea Bargnani (very dissapointing because of awful defense and coming off a very bad year) doesn't look as bad because a lot of players selected after were also poor (Ty Thomas, Adam Morrison, Sheldon Williams, Randy Foye. Roy was very good but fragile. Gay is okay but not a special player. Only Aldridge really panned out of the top tier players). So it depends how other players do.


Do I like the pick? No. Nerlens was long the consensus number 1 and by every attempt to translate college stats is the best prospect. Bennett isn't that impressive by translations (Pelton had him 8th) and was 6th on the NBA.com consensus mock draft. Unless they were desperate to get him it seems like they could have traded down. Obviously in a (percieved) weak draft you won't get a great haul for moving down a few picks but you could get something (and not have to pay him the no. 1 pick salary scale). So yeah, I was surprised, and I don't (at this point) think it was a great pick, but lets see how he actually does.

As to the state of the Cavs despite dubious picks (Waiters with Drummond on the board and a plausible pick, Thompson with Valanciunas on the board and a plausible pick) the Cavs having Irving, Bynum, the cap space to chase LeBron and some decent young players. If (a huge if) they can land LeBron (and Bynum is healthy) Cavs might go into the 14-15 campaign as title favorites.

[JtotheIzzo]

PENlS comments because you cannot argue the content?

I think I proved most of your content wrong. Oh wait, you did get one thing right, LeBron, KD and Melo ARE good players.

I see where you get your legendary troll status from, hopefully this will be the last time I get sucked in to your web of trash.

[Doranku]

In the context he uses by saying "worst use" of a #1 overall pick, I think he has a point about trading down.

No one in the top 5+ was even looking at Bennett besides the Cavs, they should have milked the pick and tried to pick up a serviceable bench player from one of those teams for essentially nothing.

[Fresh Kid]

olawakandi.

[CavaliersFTW]

You are blind if you think he only looks 4" taller. He is almost a full head taller than him and looks like the 6'7-8" he was measured at.
... he wasn't measured at 6-8. He measured 6-7 in shoes and refused to be measured w/o his shoes which leads me to believe his shoes must have been incredibly thick ala Kevin Love and he's hiding his true height. The video does indeed reveal he's pretty short for an NBA PF though that doesn't necessarily mean there will be problems because he's wide bodied for a strong base and has a decent wingspan so from a purely physical point of view he's at least got a fighting chance to play PF in a poor mans Charles Barkley mold which isn't bad if you ask me (despite the criticisms that he's "fat" he's still not quite as heavy as sir Charles was, nor is he as explosive).

Id bet money he is no more than 6-5 and change w/o shoes as even average NBA shoes are 1.25" thick (which would make him 6-5.75) however like I said I suspect he was really wearing thick footwear at the draft trying to hide his true height so I'd go so far as to say he may only be around 6-5 even.

[tontoz]

Irving does a good job at scoring, but 6 foot guards that dominate the ball and make no defensive impact are overrated.


First of all Irving measured 6'1.75" barefoot at the combine. Secondly do you think he was the wrong pick? Who would you have chosen?

I think the TT and Waiters picks were dubious but Irving was clearly the right pick.

[Bandito]

At the time Kandi/Kwame seemed like alright picks. Noone knew. This pick is disaster from the start. Thats why its a worse pick.


So your reason for that is because what? BEcause I don't get it. If you're comparing Bennett to Kwame and Kandi then that's just asinine because Bennett has not even played a year of basketball and most people consider player bust after a couple of year in the league. The rookie year is the worst for most players because they have to get used to traveling, tough schedule, new city and playing with veterans that have played basketball at the highest level for a long time. I think it is a little early to be calling him the worst pick of all the time, specially comparing to Kandi the WOAT bust of all time.
BTW if you think the CAVS are making move so they can get Lebron back then you're just retarded.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I wonder if Tony has any interactions with people in real life. If he has, the fact he hasn't been murdered purely out of annoyance by this point is shocking.

[Twiens]

In the context he uses by saying "worst use" of a #1 overall pick, I think he has a point about trading down.

No one in the top 5+ was even looking at Bennett besides the Cavs, they should have milked the pick and tried to pick up a serviceable bench player from one of those teams for essentially nothing.

There's no way he drops out of the top 4

[Collie]

Naa he isn't the worst. Oden just might take that spot. It would be hard knowing you could have had KD instead.

Bennett wasn't the worst player in the draft but he sure as hell wasn't the best. I think he is kinda fat too.

If we're talking hindsight yeah, but everybody back then would have taken Oden.

[DukeDelonte13]

First of all Irving measured 6'1.75" barefoot at the combine. Secondly do you think he was the wrong pick? Who would you have chosen?

I think the TT and Waiters picks were dubious but Irving was clearly the right pick.



TT and Waiters were considered reaches at draft time but have proved they deserved to be picked where they were at.

People wanna gush over J-val but they forget that J-val was not intersted in coming to cleveland and that TT pretty much averaged a double double on good D as a 21 year old. TT also grew two inches since he was drafted.


And as for waiters, there is only one other guard in the entire class that can create like he can and that's Lillard. I would take Waiters over Barnes every single day of the week and not even think twice about it comparing what each was able to do last season. First team all rookie, USA camp invite, and the pick is "dubious" SMH :rolleyes:

[boozehound]

was it surprising? Yes. A waste of a pick? I dont think so. I am not sold on any of the other top 10 picks (other than nerlens, and you can see what he was worth based on the trade). The cavs got who they wanted.

[RedBlackAttack]

It's certainly way too early to say "worst use ... ever". Maybe let the class play some NBA basketball first?

Also "worst use" rather than just "worst player", implies looking at the context of who was available. By that measure a pick like Bogut (dissapointing, but not a bad player) looks worse because you passed on Chris Paul, wheras Andrea Bargnani (very dissapointing because of awful defense and coming off a very bad year) doesn't look as bad because a lot of players selected after were also poor (Ty Thomas, Adam Morrison, Sheldon Williams, Randy Foye. Roy was very good but fragile. Gay is okay but not a special player. Only Aldridge really panned out of the top tier players). So it depends how other players do.


Do I like the pick? No. Nerlens was long the consensus number 1 and by every attempt to translate college stats is the best prospect. Bennett isn't that impressive by translations (Pelton had him 8th) and was 6th on the NBA.com consensus mock draft. Unless they were desperate to get him it seems like they could have traded down. Obviously in a (percieved) weak draft you won't get a great haul for moving down a few picks but you could get something (and not have to pay him the no. 1 pick salary scale). So yeah, I was surprised, and I don't (at this point) think it was a great pick, but lets see how he actually does.

As to the state of the Cavs despite dubious picks (Waiters with Drummond on the board and a plausible pick, Thompson with Valanciunas on the board and a plausible pick) the Cavs having Irving, Bynum, the cap space to chase LeBron and some decent young players. If (a huge if) they can land LeBron (and Bynum is healthy) Cavs might go into the 14-15 campaign as title favorites.

There is a lot of revisionist history going on here. That isn't out of the ordinary for drafts when you're looking at them years later, but the truth of what was being said at draft-time bears repeating.

It's disingenuous for people to act as though Drummond was the consensus pick and the Cavs shocked the world by taking Waiters. Drummond ended up going right around where he was projected by most. Maybe it was a little later than anticipated, but he was not being mocked in the Top 4 by the time the draft came by anyone I can remember.

There was also very little talk about Drummond and how the Cavs should take him. His stock fell as the guys went through the combine and individual workouts, which shocked me personally -- I thought the opposite would happen. But, it was pretty well accepted by draft day that Drummond likely wasn't going to be a high pick.

There was a guy who everyone said the Cavs blew it by not being able to draft and HE was actually considered the consensus best player available at No. 4... That was Thomas Robinson. I can't tell you how many times I listened to people rattle on about how, if the Cavs would have taken someone else other than Thompson in 2011, they would be able to take a much better PF prospect in TRob in 2012 and that would have solved all of the Cavs problems.

Where are all those people now? Suddenly, it has shifted to Drummond who was the consensus pick, even though there were literally like three people on here talking about him that high and I was one of them. I don't remember getting a lot of support with that opinion.


About Jonas, as DukeDelonte said... his agent was giving the Cavs the runaround. He told them it may be several years before he could come to the states. That was reported by Chad Ford among others. His agent (and maybe Jonas himself) wanted Toronto.

The Cavs, faced with a guy they really liked who didn't want to come here, turned around and "reached" for a guy who just averaged a double-double as a 21-year-old sophomore in the NBA and has certainly been one of the best players in that draft so far. He's also a great locker room guy, which is an underrated asset.

These "dubious" picks have been pretty damn good. Now, had the Cavs listened to the masses and taken TRob in 2012? That would have been a dubious pick. That's not normally the way we refer to guys who were second amongst rookies in scoring and made First Team All-Rookie. We generally reserve hyperbole like that for Top 5 picks who've played for three teams in one year.

Are the Cavs given credit for not going with conventional wisdom on Robinson and possibly trading Thompson (an idea floated by many people)? Of course not.

We'll see about Bennett, but if Grant's track record is any indication, he'll probably be good.

[bluechox2]

he got owned by a 75 year old white guy

[chips93]

People wanna gush over J-val but they forget that J-val was not intersted in coming to cleveland and that TT pretty much averaged a double double on good D as a 21 year old. TT also grew two inches since he was drafted.


is that true? never heard that before. he still looks undersized to me

[senelcoolidge]

Say what?

The Cavs did not want that #1 pick. They couldn't get rid of it..no one wanted it. So they picked a guy that was obviously not a #1 pick to sort of give the league/someone the middle finger. It sounds cruel. That's why I hope Bennett does well. He's kind of been picked to fail.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Cleveland went for potential. I personally like the pick.

[RedBlackAttack]

The Cavs did not want that #1 pick. They couldn't get rid of it..no one wanted it. So they picked a guy that was obviously not a #1 pick to sort of give the league/someone the middle finger. It sounds cruel. That's why I hope Bennett does well. He's kind of been picked to fail.
That is maybe the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Why would it be the league's fault that the Cavs couldn't trade the pick, if they even really wanted to anyway? Word was the Cavs did have offers, but they were asking for way too much... Which tells me they think Bennett is going to be very good.

There were rumors that Charlotte tried like hell to move up to no. 1 so they could take Bennett.

People have to understand... Just because a draft order doesn't look like the consensus "mocks" made by journalists prior to the draft does not mean that it was necessarily a surprise to GMs around the league. Noel and McLemore were considered the Nos. 1 & 2 picks for a long time and neither guy went in the Top 5. The GMs picking at 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. were obviously not surprised and not interested that either guy "fell" to them.

The idea that the Cavs didn't take the guy they thought was best in the draft, but instead made a pick as a statement (to whom or for what, I'm not sure) is just crazy and I don't mean to sound harsh.

[JMT]

No.

LaRue Martin.

Learn something. The league started before 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRue_Martin

[chips93]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRue_Martin


Over his 4-year stint, Martin totaled over 1,400 points; number 2 overall pick McAdoo totaled over 1,400 points in his rookie year alone.

jeez

[CavaliersFTW]

is that true? never heard that before. he still looks undersized to me
Yeah I call publicity B.S. on that. The Orlando Magic said the same thing about Dwight Howard, and he's clearly still about the same height as the leagues other 6-9 w/o shoes players. Tristan is no different in that he still looks the same height relative to other players measured his height w/o shoes. For either player (Dwight or TT) I could see maybe a half inch of growth being plausible but beyond that it should be more visible. Definitely not 2 inches from what I see.

[Owl]

There is a lot of revisionist history going on here. That isn't out of the ordinary for drafts when you're looking at them years later, but the truth of what was being said at draft-time bears repeating.

It's disingenuous for people to act as though Drummond was the consensus pick and the Cavs shocked the world by taking Waiters. Drummond ended up going right around where he was projected by most. Maybe it was a little later than anticipated, but he was not being mocked in the Top 4 by the time the draft came by anyone I can remember.

There was also very little talk about Drummond and how the Cavs should take him. His stock fell as the guys went through the combine and individual workouts, which shocked me personally -- I thought the opposite would happen. But, it was pretty well accepted by draft day that Drummond likely wasn't going to be a high pick.

There was a guy who everyone said the Cavs blew it by not being able to draft and HE was actually considered the consensus best player available at No. 4... That was Thomas Robinson. I can't tell you how many times I listened to people rattle on about how, if the Cavs would have taken someone else other than Thompson in 2011, they would be able to take a much better PF prospect in TRob in 2012 and that would have solved all of the Cavs problems.

Where are all those people now? Suddenly, it has shifted to Drummond who was the consensus pick, even though there were literally like three people on here talking about him that high and I was one of them. I don't remember getting a lot of support with that opinion.


About Jonas, as DukeDelonte said... his agent was giving the Cavs the runaround. He told them it may be several years before he could come to the states. That was reported by Chad Ford among others. His agent (and maybe Jonas himself) wanted Toronto.

The Cavs, faced with a guy they really liked who didn't want to come here, turned around and "reached" for a guy who just averaged a double-double as a 21-year-old sophomore in the NBA and has certainly been one of the best players in that draft so far. He's also a great locker room guy, which is an underrated asset.

These "dubious" picks have been pretty damn good. Now, had the Cavs listened to the masses and taken TRob in 2012? That would have been a dubious pick. That's not normally the way we refer to guys who were second amongst rookies in scoring and made First Team All-Rookie. We generally reserve hyperbole like that for Top 5 picks who've played for three teams in one year.

Are the Cavs given credit for not going with conventional wisdom on Robinson and possibly trading Thompson (an idea floated by many people)? Of course not.

We'll see about Bennett, but if Grant's track record is any indication, he'll probably be good.
Literally nothing I said implied Drummond was the consensus pick only that he was within his reasonable drafting range. Note that the NBA consensus mock had Drummond above Waiters. Drummond was indeed only in one top 4 projection, but that's one more than Waiters. Drummond at four was less of a reach. That said the other member of the usual projected top 5 Robinson playing worse than Waiters and the next wing Barnes at around the same level "dubious" is perhaps a tad harsh. Then again with Lillard (overrated now but already a decent starting guard) and Drummond on the board there were players who look significantly better already who were plausible picks.

Its clear you like Waiters but "2nd in rookies in scoring"? Is that a real accolade? How about 19th in PER or 41st in WS/48. All that scoring reflects at the moment is that he got minutes, can jack up shots and be a bit below average at converting them.

I don't know about Cavs specific discussions or whether Valanciunas would have really risked his NBA career by refusing to sign with the Cavs. All I know is they went for someone consensus mocks had at 9. The pick could have been much worse (Jan Vesely anyone?) and Thompson looks like a decent energy big, a low end starter or a nice reserve. But again Leonard and Valanciunas were on the board, projected higher, are younger, have more upside.

Cavs have recently shown a tendency to reach for safe, okay players whom were projected to be available later (try to trade down?). It may well be that with Kyrie, Bynum and possibly LeBron solid rotation players is all they need. But Bennett looks like another guy who could have been had later and doesn't have superstar (or consistant all-star) potential.

Like I said they are in a great position because they have cap space at the right time finally made a strong, bold (risky, but worth it for a chance winning, getting LeBron, getting titles) move in getting Bynum and have a young core. If they can move Varejao for further young pieces they'll be in an even stronger position to contend in the future.

[DukeDelonte13]

Literally nothing I said implied Drummond was the consensus pick only that he was within his reasonable drafting range. Note that the NBA consensus mock had Drummond above Waiters. Drummond was indeed only in one top 4 projection, but that's one more than Waiters. Drummond at four was less of a reach. That said the other member of the usual projected top 5 Robinson playing worse than Waiters and the next wing Barnes at around the same level "dubious" is perhaps a tad harsh. Then again with Lillard (overrated now but already a decent starting guard) and Drummond on the board there were players who look significantly better already who were plausible picks.

Its clear you like Waiters but "2nd in rookies in scoring"? Is that a real accolade? How about 19th in PER or 41st in WS/48. All that scoring reflects at the moment is that he got minutes, can jack up shots and be a bit below average at converting them.

I don't know about Cavs specific discussions or whether Valanciunas would have really risked his NBA career by refusing to sign with the Cavs. All I know is they went for someone consensus mocks had at 9. The pick could have been much worse (Jan Vesely anyone?) and Thompson looks like a decent energy big, a low end starter or a nice reserve. But again Leonard and Valanciunas were on the board, projected higher, are younger, have more upside.

Cavs have recently shown a tendency to reach for safe, okay players whom were projected to be available later (try to trade down?). It may well be that with Kyrie, Bynum and possibly LeBron solid rotation players is all they need. But Bennett looks like another guy who could have been had later and doesn't have superstar (or consistant all-star) potential.

Like I said they are in a great position because they have cap space at the right time finally made a strong, bold (risky, but worth it for a chance winning, getting LeBron, getting titles) move in getting Bynum and have a young core. If they can move Varejao for further young pieces they'll be in an even stronger position to contend in the future.

I think Kyrie wasn't necessarily the "safe pick" as he only played 11 games.

TT was considered a huge reach at the time but only one player you can make an argument should have been picked ahead of him and that's J-Val. We all know J-Val didn't get steady minutes last year but i don't think J-Val is going to turn into some perennial super star that's gonna make the cavs regret TT. He's gonna be good no doubt, but TT is turning into a very decent player himself.


Waiters, again, considered a big time reach at the time, but in reality he was less of a reach than TT. Jerry West was huge on Dion Waiters and Warriors were talking about taking him with their draft pick. Most rookie guards don't come into the league like Kyrie Irving and have great efficiency. Beal was extremely inefficient the first half of the season like Dion was. Nobody seems to give a sh*t, because Beal was picked where he was mocked and Dion wasn't. People praise Beal's great play in the second half of the season, but Dion's second half of the season performance is only known by cavs fans. People that actually watch Dion play game in and game out know he's extremely talented, and has flashed the ability to take over games.

TT and Dion at the very least are going to be very decent startes in the league and can both potentially be all stars if they are on winning teams. That's excellent drafting considering the national media slammed the cavs for making those picks.

The success of Dion and TT lead me to believe the Chris Grant knows what he's doing with the draft. He's clearly not going to conform and take players the national media says he should take. Grant gets the guy he wants, and this go around it was Anthony Bennett.

I have little reason to believe that he's going to bust.

[secund2nun]

All the teams that passed on Drummond were stupid except NO and are gonna regret it, including Cleveland. It should have been obvious that Drummond was an elite talent coming out of college. He had just turned 17 years old at the start of his freshmen college season , was 6'10 265 pounds as a 17 year old, and had 54% fg 10-8-3 blocks in 28 mpg as a 17 year old freshmen in the best conference in college bball. That usually means extreme ceiling for a 17 year old freshmen to do that. Drummond's low draft stock was simply another example of the NBA underrating big men. Small way less impactful players like Irving (after rookie deal) and Rose getting max contracts is an example of these types of players being overrated.

There were several far inferior selections taken above Drummond. The only player that should have been taken over Drummond was Davis, and I am not just saying it now. It was obvious on draft night as well.

Look at the players taken over Drummond:

Bradley Beal- SG- not a bad selection as he had a good freshmen season but sure as heck not better than Drummond, and this is coming from a huge Gator fan. 15 ppg on 44% fg, 7 rpb, 2 apg in the SEC or anywhere is certainly not better than Drummond's statline, size, potential.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist- SF- Another good selection, but no way was he a better pick than Drummond. 31 mpg vs 28 mpg. 11.9 on 49% fg vs 10 ppg on 54% fg. 7.4 rpg vs 8 rpg. 6'7 vs 6'11. SEC vs Big East.

Thomas Robinson- PF- 21 year old JR. Had a good season at 18-12-2 and he is a big man. You can argue his selection over Drummond but I'd rather take the 6'10 270 17 year old freshmen over the 6'10 237 21 year old junior. You could see the ceiling difference obviously.

Harrison Barnes- SF- This was an absolute joke. Barnes over Drummond? LOL. This shows how stupid NBA GMs are. A sophomore who scored 17 PPG on 44% fg 5 rpg.....and that's it. Wow amazing.

Dion Waiters- SG- This was another terrible selection over Drummond and really shows how overrated guards have become. He was a 6'4 sophomore that averaged 12.6-2.5-2.3 on 48% fg. How was he considered better than Drummond??? It wasn't even close.

Terrence Ross- SG- Another bad pick over Drummond. He was a sophomore that averaged 16.4, 6.4 on 45.7 % fg

Damian Lillard- PG- 22 year old senior that show in his 43% for his first 3 years then "broke out" as a senior shooting 46.7% 24.5 ppg, 5 rpg, 4 apg, but he played terrible midmajor competition and was a senior. No way was he a better selection especially since he is a 6'3 PG who spent much of his career shooting in the 43%s and 46.7% isn't that great for a top prospect senior in a midmajor conference.- PGs are so overrated.

4 guards, 2 SFs were taken over Drummond...Fail. Drummond was the 2nd best draft prospect after Davis and it was obvious. Big men are just underrated- that's what happened.

[DukeDelonte13]

All the teams that passed on Drummond were stupid except NO and are gonna regret it, including Cleveland. It should have been obvious that Drummond was an elite talent coming out of college. He had just turned 17 years old at the start of his freshmen college season , was 6'10 265 pounds as a 17 year old, and had 54% fg 10-8-3 blocks in 28 mpg as a 17 year old freshmen in the best conference in college bball. That usually means extreme ceiling for a 17 year old freshmen to do that. Drummond's low draft stock was simply another example of the NBA underrating big men. Small way less impactful players like Irving (after rookie deal) and Rose getting max contracts is an example of these types of players being overrated.

There were several far inferior selections taken above Drummond. The only player that should have been taken over Drummond was Davis, and I am not just saying it now. It was obvious on draft night as well.

Look at the players taken over Drummond:

Bradley Beal- SG- not a bad selection as he had a good freshmen season but sure as heck not better than Drummond, and this is coming from a huge Gator fan. 15 ppg on 44% fg, 7 rpb, 2 apg in the SEC or anywhere is certainly not better than Drummond's statline, size, potential.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist- SF- Another good selection, but no way was he a better pick than Drummond. 31 mpg vs 28 mpg. 11.9 on 49% fg vs 10 ppg on 54% fg. 7.4 rpg vs 8 rpg. 6'7 vs 6'11. SEC vs Big East.

Thomas Robinson- PF- 21 year old JR. Had a good season at 18-12-2 and he is a big man. You can argue his selection over Drummond but I'd rather take the 6'10 270 17 year old freshmen over the 6'10 237 21 year old junior. You could see the ceiling difference obviously.

Harrison Barnes- SF- This was an absolute joke. Barnes over Drummond? LOL. This shows how stupid NBA GMs are. A sophomore who scored 17 PPG on 44% fg 5 rpg.....and that's it. Wow amazing.

Dion Waiters- SG- This was another terrible selection over Drummond and really shows how overrated guards have become. He was a 6'4 sophomore that averaged 12.6-2.5-2.3 on 48% fg. How was he considered better than Drummond??? It wasn't even close.

Terrence Ross- SG- Another bad pick over Drummond. He was a sophomore that averaged 16.4, 6.4 on 45.7 % fg

Damian Lillard- PG- 22 year old senior that show in his 43% for his first 3 years then "broke out" as a senior shooting 46.7% 24.5 ppg, 5 rpg, 4 apg, but he played terrible midmajor competition and was a senior. No way was he a better selection especially since he is a 6'3 PG who spent much of his career shooting in the 43%s and 46.7% isn't that great for a top prospect senior in a midmajor conference.- PGs are so overrated.

4 guards, 2 SFs were taken over Drummond...Fail. Drummond was the 2nd best draft prospect after Davis and it was obvious. Big men are just underrated- that's what happened.


it wasn't pure coincidence a lot of GMs passed on Drummond. There obviously were concerns with him that were strong enough to allow Detroit to snag him.

Hindsight is always 20/20 and its a lot easier to play GM one year after a draft happened.

[TonyMontana]

http://content.draftexpress.com/gallery/AnthonyBennett/1271959795.jpg

AVERAGES THUS FAR: 1.0 PPG 3.2 RPG 5% FG

Don't say I didn't tell you kiddies.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Honestly I got to give OP some props. He called it. (Yeah I know - only 5 games but still)

[TheWINdyCity]

Honestly I got to give OP some props. He called it. (Yeah I know - only 5 games but still)

I don't think anyone really thought he was going to live up to his "# 1 pick potential" but it basically comes down to its ONLY 5 GAMES! people need to chill out lol

[Dbrog]

All the teams that passed on Drummond were stupid except NO and are gonna regret it, including Cleveland. It should have been obvious that Drummond was an elite talent coming out of college.

Honestly, this statement is straight BS. I watched the tournament that year. Drummond looked lost out there with no moves and little presence. It was like he wasn't even trying or just plain sucked. I remember he had like 2 pts and 2 rebs in one of the tourney games. Many people questioned his work ethic and whether he could be anything in the NBA. It was a HUGE risk to take this guy...hence why he fell so far. No one knew he was going to become a COMPLETELY different player in the NBA. Saying otherwise is just false.

Edit: I love the complete revisionist history when it comes to where players were ranking during the drafts. Everyone had Oden over Durant. He was going to be the new Shaq and yet some people on this forum act like it was a no-brainer to take Durant over him. Same thing with Okafor over Dwight. Okafor was looked at as the guy who could come in and immediately make an impact on a team while Howard was seen as being very raw and a risky pick due to his upside being his potential.

[TonyMontana]

http://s1.dmcdn.net/C7jma.jpg

Current Averages: 1.4 PPG 2.7 RPG 14.3% shooting 11.7 MPG

Good progress by fatty in the past two weeks. He got his PPG above 1.


Honestly I got to give OP some props. He called it. (Yeah I know - only 5 games but still)

:pimp:

[G-train]

Honestly, this statement is straight BS. I watched the tournament that year. Drummond looked lost out there with no moves and little presence. It was like he wasn't even trying or just plain sucked. I remember he had like 2 pts and 2 rebs in one of the tourney games. Many people questioned his work ethic and whether he could be anything in the NBA. It was a HUGE risk to take this guy...hence why he fell so far. No one knew he was going to become a COMPLETELY different player in the NBA. Saying otherwise is just false.

Edit: I love the complete revisionist history when it comes to where players were ranking during the drafts. Everyone had Oden over Durant. He was going to be the new Shaq and yet some people on this forum act like it was a no-brainer to take Durant over him. Same thing with Okafor over Dwight. Okafor was looked at as the guy who could come in and immediately make an impact on a team while Howard was seen as being very raw and a risky pick due to his upside being his potential.

I'm in the draft thread saying take him in top 4.
I'm sure there were others that saw how he had an NBA game.

[secund2nun]

it wasn't pure coincidence a lot of GMs passed on Drummond. There obviously were concerns with him that were strong enough to allow Detroit to snag him.

Hindsight is always 20/20 and its a lot easier to play GM one year after a draft happened.

Chucking SGs should never be picked over center prospects like Drummond.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm in the draft thread saying take him in top 4.
I'm sure there were others that saw how he had an NBA game.
I said in the lead-up to the draft that I would be surprised if he didn't eventually go No. 2 overall. I thought after the combine and the individual workouts, teams would see the physical specimen they were dealing with.

Apparently not... There were reports that he was being worked over by Thomas Robinson in the workouts.

I don't know... The whole Drummond thing was a mystery to me.

[tomtucker]

op called it.........but just looking at this dough boy , you just knew it

[kurple]

Chucking SGs should never be picked over center prospects like Drummond.
80% of ISH thought Drummond would bust

and trade bennett to denver if you dont like him

[tomtucker]

http://static.rappler.com/images/cleveland-cavaliers-dan-gilbert-20130522.jpg

[coin24]

Weird to say this but, OP:applause:

The Cavs made 2 stupid picks now with Bennett and waiters..

[DukeDelonte13]

Weird to say this but, OP:applause:

The Cavs made 2 stupid picks now with Bennett and waiters..


Waiters is fine. He's a good player and clearly worthy of his pick. I don't get the hate. Drummond isn't exactly setting the world on fire, neither is Barnes or T-Rob.

Gotta give fat boy a chance. he's not playing 30 mins with 12 FGA a game. And its also not like Len, Porter, Noel, and Zeller are looking like studs or anything.

[alenleomessi]

both waiters and bennet just horrible picks.. not sure what the cavs were smoking that day

[roffie]

agreed. waiters is garbage.. olidapo wud have been the smart and obvious choice here by the cavs

[jbryan1984]

Lets give the guy more than ten games before he passes Kwame. Thanks.

[RedBlackAttack]

I have to laugh at the reactionaries through the first two weeks of the season who've decided that Bennett is officially the worst pick of all-time. The problem is, it's way too early to know who from this draft will eventually pan out (and that goes for Bennett as well), so things get awkward when it comes to them pronouncing who the Cavs should have taken instead of Bennett.

"Bennett clearly stinks... worse than Kwame. They OBVIOUSLY should have taken... Oladipo!"


:oldlol:

You mean the guy averaging a scorching 38% from the field while playing backup SG with the Magic? When we took a SG last year 4th overall who made First Team All-Rookie and has averaged 19 points on 46% shooting, 5 rebounds, 4 assists and 2 steals in his last four complete games played?

I'm not saying Oladipo won't be a good player, but we have no idea how good... just like we have no idea with Bennett. Or Len. Or McLemore. Or whoever.

Hell, I don't know how good Waiters is going to end up being and he's been in the league over a year. We can only now go back and start looking at mistakes made in the 2011 draft. Redoing it now would look very different than redoing it this time last year. These players are still growing each season (or regressing).

I was on record as wanting Noel, but then again that was back when he was being predicted to come back from his injury around Christmas. Now, he's out for the season. So, maybe that's the reason he dropped. The injury was more severe than first anticipated.

There is such a rush in this day and age to label a guy. There was a time when Tristan Thompson was called a wasted pick, too.

Bill Simmons flat-out said on his podcast leading into the 2012 draft that the Cavs screwed up royally by taking Thompson, because it pretty much prevented them from taking the best player left on the board the following year... Thomas Robinson. A lot of people were making that argument on here too.

Nobody remembers that, though.

[senelcoolidge]

Bennett is going head to head with the all time #1 pick bust of LaRue Martin. But even LaRue scored 4-5 ppg and lasted 5 years in the league. Cavs have made some highly questionable draft picks. You don't experiment with lottery picks.

[RedBlackAttack]

Bennett is going head to head with the all time #1 pick bust of LaRue Martin. But even LaRue scored 4-5 ppg and lasted 5 years in the league. Cavs have made some highly questionable draft picks. You don't experiment with lottery picks.
and so it continues...

[veilside23]

among other picks who has played well enough.. is this enough sample of games I hope he gets it straight Bennett.. Hell evan turner it took him what ? before he turn out this way.. not all star level but good enough.. sure bennett is struggling and honestly i am a bit disappointed but i guess we have to wait and see maybe after 1 season to say if he is a bust.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Idk what people are freaking out about, not a single player from this draft class is playing very well except MCW and a grand total of 0 people thought he'd be that good.

[RedBlackAttack]

Idk what people are freaking out about, not a single player from this draft class is playing very well except MCW and a grand total of 0 people thought he'd be that good.
...and the Cavs were never going to take a PG.

That was sort of my point, although mine was made in a long, rambling post as usual. The three guys who everyone thought were in the running for the top pick were Noel (out of the year with a bad knee injury), Len (done nothing) and McLemore (has been mediocre at best).

And, none of this is a surprise... Because it's way too early to judge these guys, too. For some reason, it's important to people that they label Bennett. It doesn't matter what the other guys are doing and that all of the guys in contention either haven't played or have struggled similarly.

The biggest difference between Bennett and these others is he's playing behind a guy who was picked 4th overall just a couple years ago and is having a breakout season. So, AB isn't getting the kind of minutes necessary to put up 8 points on 38% shooting.

[fos]

Cleveland should have picked Harrison Barnes and Jonas Valanciunas. Should have went Oladipo this year. I think you take the best player every time, never draft on need (and wtf does Cleveland need a tweener?? Too slow to be a SF and too small to be a PF).

[outbreak]

Idk what people are freaking out about, not a single player from this draft class is playing very well except MCW and a grand total of 0 people thought he'd be that good.

oladipo has looked like he will be a solid pick once he get's his turn overs down (he's learning a new position at point). Stephen Adams looks pretty good so far. Tim Hardaway looks like a good pick, Olynck looks solid, Wolters is contributing. Noone has looked like a super star yet but guys have shown they will be solid picks. Don't act like Bennet hasn't been far worse than the others so far

[coin24]

Cleveland should have picked Harrison Barnes and Jonas Valanciunas. Should have went Oladipo this year. I think you take the best player every time, never draft on need (and wtf does Cleveland need a tweener?? Too slow to be a SF and too small to be a PF).

This.
I'm big on the take the best player route also, can always make trades later..

[TonyMontana]

Anthony Bennett mid season update
3.8 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 31.2% FG, 0.3 APG

http://dailyupperdecker.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/anthony-bennett-blows.jpg

[Uncle Drew]

Bad timing to bump the thread bud.

[TonyMontana]

Bad timing to bump the thread bud.

It is never a bad time to bump this thread.

No matter what Bennett is a guy picked #1 overall that is already a NEGATIVE ASSET before the end of his rookie year. Guy sucks and will never be good.

No team would even give up an early 2nd round pick in 2014 for Anthony Bennet, a #1 pick overall. Nice job.

[Uncle Drew]

It is never a bad time to bump this thread.

No matter what Bennett is a guy picked #1 overall that is already a NEGATIVE ASSET before the end of his rookie year. Guy sucks and will never be good.

No team would even give up an early 2nd round pick in 2014 for Anthony Bennet, a #1 pick overall. Nice job.
Nope, bad timing. Try again in a few months. Or better: never. Get back on your alt.

[TonyMontana]

Nope, bad timing. Try again in a few months. Or better: never. Get back on your alt.

nice edit. i can only imagine how awkward you are in real life without the availability of the edit.

Anthony Bennett is by far the worst use of the #1 overall pick in nba history and nothing he has done has said otherwise. TonyMontana making this declaration before he played even a single game is just one example of my intellectual genius and superior genetics.

[Uncle Drew]

nice edit. i can only imagine how awkward you are in real life without the availability of the edit.

Anthony Bennett is by far the worst use of the #1 overall pick in nba history and nothing he has done has said otherwise. TonyMontana making this declaration before he played even a single game is just one example of my intellectual genius and superior genetics.
AB is balling and you know it. So, in a few months, this thread will just end up like all of your (and those include the threads you created on your shit alts) other threads: in the garbage bin.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

OP rivals silkktheshockers greatness:applause: :applause: :bowdown:

[ace23]

OP looking really smart tbh

[Yankstar]

InB4 Cleveland picks another Oden :facepalm

[Marlo_Stanfield]

AB is balling and you know it. So, in a few months, this thread will just end up like all of your (and those include the threads you created on your shit alts) other threads: in the garbage bin.
you got ETHERED fakkit

[215Philly]

I don't get the negativity?

Freshman stats:

16/8 with 54%/38%/71% shooting while playing hurt the second half of the year. (these numbers are likely higher too if he wasn't kept out of the bulk of a few games in the second half of the season)

6'8" 240 is now a tweener? The kid is 1" shorter than Karl Malone

He's got a 7'1" wingspan and a 39" vertical.

Basically he has the in-game pedigree and the body pedigree (much TOO MUCH is being made about the height).

AND he has a great f*cking attitude and a 100% team first guy who is not afraid to lead.

He measures up in every metric, yet people what to say stupid shit like he can't shoot, because of a couple of half hearted tosses while mic'd up after a long interview in the middle of an injury are a better marker than shooting 38% from 3 for the season.

We need a punch people in the face emoticon around here.
:coleman:

[RedBlackAttack]

Pretty much any time he was given extended minutes on the floor, he produced at an acceptable rate for a rookie big getting acclimated to the league. I think he scored in double figures every time he was given over 20 minutes of playing time, including a couple double-doubles. Unfortunately, he only received those kinds of minutes 8-9 times all season long. All of this "bust" talk when the kid really hasn't even been given a chance to pass or fail personifies the impatience of sports fans today.

Kid still has a ton of upside and now that the pressure will be off and Tristan could be on his way out, he'll have some room to grow. His ability to step out on the perimeter could also really compliment Embiid, the likely No. 1 pick.

[Rose]

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