Kobe Bryant "shattered" healing time at 35 yrs old... PED abuse?

[3LiftHeatCurse]

With all the recent news of A-Rod and other baseball players being suspended for Performance Enhancing Drug (PED) abuse, why doesn't anyone suspect the NBA of the same?


[b]The Los Angeles Lakers' star said recently that he has "shattered" the normal recovery time of the injury.

[Lakers2877]

Wouldn't surprise me if he was using them. Actually at this point I wouldn't be surprised to hear about any athlete in any sport using them

That being said, whether you like him or hate him, you cannot deny how driven and motivated he is. If anybody could come back from this injury faster than normal it would be him

[kNicKz]

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/nlFq5rFUr5U/mqdefault.jpg

http://tattletailzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dwayne-wade-300x450.jpg

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Wouldn't surprise me if he was using them. Actually at this point I wouldn't be surprised to hear about any athlete in any sport using them

That being said, whether you like him or hate him, you cannot deny how driven and motivated he is. If anybody could come back from this injury faster than normal it would be him

That is one point that I will agree with a Laker fan with.

Kobe has Jordan's obsessive desire to succeed, at all costs.

[tpols]

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/nlFq5rFUr5U/mqdefault.jpg

http://tattletailzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dwayne-wade-300x450.jpg
This.:oldlol: :oldlol:

[DuMa]

oh joy. another thread where we get pics of Wade's jaw linked with HGH use

[Lakers2877]

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/nlFq5rFUr5U/mqdefault.jpg

http://tattletailzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dwayne-wade-300x450.jpg
Holy shit lol

[CavaliersFTW]

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/nlFq5rFUr5U/mqdefault.jpg

http://tattletailzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dwayne-wade-300x450.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :applause:

[kNicKz]

oh joy. another thread where we get pics of Wade's jaw linked with HGH use

Oh joy, another person who doesn't know what steroid acne looks like

[riseagainst]

Oh joy, another person who doesn't know what steroid acne looks like

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SiQpZCaeYUA/URNOMq45AAI/AAAAAAAAEMI/s3LBAjGS-Ro/s640/WadesJaw.jpg

[DuMa]

Oh joy, another person who doesn't know what steroid acne looks like

because acne cant just be acne itself right

[kNicKz]

Next up from Wade Stans

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/4e70d9dceab8ea9320000023-1200/homerun-records-tainted-by-steroids.jpg

"All natural, no proof."

[kNicKz]

because acne cant just be acne itself right


Steroid acne is an adverse reaction to corticosteroids, and presents as small, firm follicular papules on the forehead, cheeks, and chest. They appear as pinkish maculopapular rash without any comedones or cyst as seen in Acne Vulgaris

Study up

[OldSchoolBBall]

There's no question he's doing some stuff. You don't "shatter" recovery time from a torn Achille's at that age otherwise, I don't care how good your genetics or doctors are.

[ClutchOver9000]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SiQpZCaeYUA/URNOMq45AAI/AAAAAAAAEMI/s3LBAjGS-Ro/s640/WadesJaw.jpg

:oldlol:

[CavaliersFTW]

because acne cant just be acne itself right
So a fully grown millionaire professional athlete with access to the top modern nutritionists / sports chefs / trainers (not to mention dermatologists) of the 21st century having more acne than a hormonal pre-pubescent teen is ...normal?

[LT Ice Cream]

PED abuse is just your speculation. It may or may not be the case.

Theres this other procedure in Germany that he and J.O. did. They purify your blood and inject it into your injury area. They combine it with intensive physical therapy, so its not hard to believe that Kobe could shatter the normal recovery time using this method.

Sure not everyone can do it, but its not PED abuse either.

[kNicKz]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/15093944/wades-denial-of-peds-in-nba-hardly-believable

[DuMa]

So a fully grown millionaire professional athlete with access to the top modern nutritionists / sports chefs / trainers (not to mention dermatologists) of the 21st century having more acne than a hormonal pre-pubescent teen is ...normal?
http://us.cdn283.fansshare.com/photos/kevindurant/kevin-durant-828908045.jpg

[kNicKz]

Duma is desperate now :roll:

[riseagainst]

Duma getting destroyed in this thread.
:roll:

[aj1987]

Duma is desperate now :roll:
And you're mad because Wade has more rings than your franchise.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

There's no question he's doing some stuff. You don't "shatter" recovery time from a torn Achille's at that age otherwise, I don't care how good your genetics or doctors are.

Exactly.

Rose is taking almost 2 years to heal, yet Kobe at 35 yrs old is bout ready to dunk on people soon after what used to be a career ending injury pretty much.

PED abuse for sure. NBA doesn't seem to care though.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Just another corny attempt by Kobe to play hero

[aj1987]

Exactly.

Rose is taking almost 2 years to heal, yet Kobe at 35 yrs old is bout ready to dunk on people soon after what used to be a career ending injury pretty much.

PED abuse for sure. NBA doesn't seem to care though.
They should let the players use PED's to recover from injuries though.

[DuMa]

Exactly.

Rose is taking almost 2 years to heal, yet Kobe at 35 yrs old is bout ready to dunk on people soon after what used to be a career ending injury pretty much.

PED abuse for sure. NBA doesn't seem to care though.

I highly doubt Kobe will ever dunk on a player ever again. No one has come back from a complete Achilles rupture the same way ever before. and PEDs wont do anything to change that. Theres no medical procedure or magic chemical that can help restore the one elastic band in your lower legs that gives you the most athletic traits.

[Scholar]

because acne cant just be acne itself right

Because a man who had a slender jaw and no acne suddenly ending up with a huge jaw & insane acne (+reported anger issues) can't be on steroids, right?

[DukeDelonte13]

Study up


plenty of adults have acne and don't use any PEDs.

[crisoner]

Next up from Wade Stans

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/4e70d9dceab8ea9320000023-1200/homerun-records-tainted-by-steroids.jpg

"All natural, no proof."

Sammy is always ALL NATURAL.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/117074/thumbs/s-SAMMY-SOSA-SKIN-large.jpg

[scm5]

I highly doubt Kobe will ever dunk on a player ever again. No one has come back from a complete Achilles rupture the same way ever before. and PEDs wont do anything to change that. Theres no medical procedure or magic chemical that can help restore the one elastic band in your lower legs that gives you the most athletic traits.

Dominique Wilkins.

Tore his achilles at age 32 in the 91-92' season, came back the following year averaging numbers as good or better in 93'.

His 2nd best year in terms of PER was the season he came back from the achilles rupture.

[GrapeApe]

The type of PED's an NBA player would use are not the kind that cause acne. The ignorance around here is astounding.

[Lakers2877]

Just another corny attempt by Kobe to play hero
What does this mean exactly?

[Rubio2Gasol]

Dominique Wilkins.

Tore his achilles at age 32 in the 91-92' season, came back the following year averaging numbers as good or better in 93'.

His 2nd best year in terms of PER was the season he came back from the achilles rupture.

Dom legitimately came back better too, no stat padding or anything like that. Remember reading somewhere that he was doing full workouts twice a day the entire time, just to come back.

[SpurrDurr]

Wade could chew on steel with that jaw :lol

[Lakers2877]

The type of PED's an NBA player would use are not the kind that cause acne. The ignorance around here is astounding.
I'm not saying wade was on roids but this statement is not correct.

[WayOfWade]

Kobe is either using, or he's an alien.

[PJR]

I'm not saying wade was on roids but this statement is not correct.

Actually, he IS correct. For instance, something like GH/Somatropin, which many suspect is rampant in the NBA, does NOT cause acne.

And yes, the ignorance on here about this stuff is astounding. It's hilarious watching dudes post who don't have any clue what they're talking about.

[KingLeBronJames]

http://us.cdn283.fansshare.com/photos/kevindurant/kevin-durant-828908045.jpg
Durant needs steroids. He's skinny as hell.

[CelticBaller]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SiQpZCaeYUA/URNOMq45AAI/AAAAAAAAEMI/s3LBAjGS-Ro/s640/WadesJaw.jpg
:lol

[ShaqAttack3234]

Yeah, Wade looks suspect. No proof obviously, but I remember speculation when he came back for the '08 Olympics and '08-'09 season.

As for Kobe, wouldn't surprise me. I'd wait to see how well he actually recovers though before taking his word on how his recovery is going because we all know how much confidence has. Even so, I won't assume his recovery is unnatural. But that experimental knee treatment in Germany raised a few eyebrows.

However, the most suspicious I ever was of Kobe and PEDs was that 15 pound weight gain in the offseason prior to '02-'03, and a lot of that gain was clearly muscle.

2002 Finals
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0324/nba_g_kobe11_600.jpg

2003 Season
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eWqu0rvILNU/SyTjiUsMdOI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/SVYMZXQlwm4/s400/kobe_bryant.jpg

Pretty noticeable gain in his arms and shoulders for such a short time period. It's probably no coincidence that Kobe had his first knee surgery after this season. Had a similar gain prior to the '04-'05 season as well to get up to 230.

I've always been very suspicious of Karl Malone as well. His longevity and durability were pretty much an anomaly in the sport, and pretty much nobody had a physique like him in the NBA. Dwight Howard's weight gain also made me wonder, though it's a bit different considering he was just 18 when he entered the league.


Next up from Wade Stans

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/4e70d9dceab8ea9320000023-1200/homerun-records-tainted-by-steroids.jpg

"All natural, no proof."

:oldlol: Sosa always had the best quotes when asked about his weight gain. I remember him saying "I take my Flintstones vitamins" which is the type of deflecting joke right out of Rocky 4. Or his serious response "I eat well and work out since I'm not in the Dominican Republic" which of course makes everyone gain 70 pounds in a decade.


Dom legitimately came back better too, no stat padding or anything like that. Remember reading somewhere that he was doing full workouts twice a day the entire time, just to come back.

Yeah, probably Nique's best season, and just having your best season at 33 alone is very unusual, much less after the injury.

[sportjames23]

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/nlFq5rFUr5U/mqdefault.jpg

http://tattletailzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dwayne-wade-300x450.jpg


Them jaws gotta be photomanipped. Shit can't be real. :oldlol:

[ProfessorMurder]

Of course he's using something.

He already used fishy procedures on his knee.

[Nash]

Wade's jaw has always been like that. I remember somebody posting pics of him as a kid and he had the same jaw.

[mentallooser]

I don't doubt it. I don't doubt any top athletes in any sport use steroids. Gotten over it.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/51a4fc8feab8ea5d2800000a-620-335/dwyane-wade-junior-high-school.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/99204e6332bb836d83db91466069bb8f/tumblr_mgsl0pvcyT1r21vxto1_r1_500.jpg

[Lakers2877]

Actually, he IS correct. For instance, something like GH/Somatropin, which many suspect is rampant in the NBA, does NOT cause acne.

And yes, the ignorance on here about this stuff is astounding. It's hilarious watching dudes post who don't have any clue what they're talking about.
I played CFB. Believe me, I've been around lots of the stuff. Claiming to know exactly what PEDs nba players would take is pretty silly.

[jstern]

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/nlFq5rFUr5U/mqdefault.jpg

http://tattletailzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dwayne-wade-300x450.jpg
Damn. Wow.

Even though maybe the angles are deceiving.

If it doesn't give him an advantage during the season, then Kobe should be allowed to use PEDs to recover.


There's no question he's doing some stuff. You don't "shatter" recovery time from a torn Achille's at that age otherwise, I don't care how good your genetics or doctors are.

Um, it's will power.

[livinglegend]

I dont know what does Wade using PEDs have to do with Kobe possibly using it.
ISH:facepalm

[Lakers2877]

I dont know what does Wade using PEDs have to do with Kobe possibly using it.
ISH:facepalm
I think they posted the Wade photos just for laughs

You should try relaxing a little

[strike first]

Kobe is prolly on more PEDs than anyone in the NBA

[livinglegend]

I think they posted the Wade photos just for laughs

You should try relaxing a little
not funny

[SamuraiSWISH]

Yeah, Wade looks suspect. No proof obviously, but I remember speculation when he came back for the '08 Olympics and '08-'09 season.
Yup. To help him get over his knee and shoulder issues. Magically in the Olympics he was bigger, and jumping higher than he ever had previously. I think the stuff now is mostly used for recovery.


As for Kobe, wouldn't surprise me. I'd wait to see how well he actually recovers though before taking his word on how his recovery is going because we all know how much confidence has. Even so, I won't assume his recovery is unnatural. But that experimental knee treatment in Germany raised a few eyebrows.
Summer of 2011 for Kobe is absolutely suspicious.


However, the most suspicious I ever was of Kobe and PEDs was that 15 pound weight gain in the offseason prior to '02-'03, and a lot of that gain was clearly muscle.
The most clear cut indicator of PED use for Kobe. He showed up to Rucker in July of 2002 the same sleek frame he had in previous seasons, then in just a couple months by training camp gained a whopping, chiseled 15 lbs of upper body mass muscle. You CAN NOT do that naturally in such a compact time frame. It's also as you said no coincidence he had knee troubles that year either.

Then you forgot after the 2003 season, the major knee surgery, he was meek and rail thin for the 2004 season. Then took them AGAIN for the 2004 - 2005 season, got really big ... and once again gave him self knee issues. Kobe's natural body isn't meant to have so much upper body weight. Clearly.

Then the summer of 2011 and his post Germany "blood therapy" treatment, and subsequent on court improvement. And now @ 35 recovering this quickly from an achilles tear?

People really don't want to believe something is up with these guys? I remember Derrick Rose commenting on it in the 2011 seasons, and it was swept under the rug that a lot of these guys take substances to help recovery and performance. All those millions on the line.

[fatboy11]

There's no doubt in my mind that Kobe has done or is currently doing PEDs. He's that kind of competitor. Obviously there's no proof, but just knowing Kobe like we do, I think it's clear.

This is what PEDs are now. They're a way to stay healthy and get back out there. In the '90s and '00s, it's about actually enhancing your performance. Now, it's more about healing and maintaining your level of production over a long season. In way, it's still performance enhancing, but not in the traditional sense.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

not funny

Relax, little guy.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Yup. To help him get over his knee and shoulder issues. Magically in the Olympics he was bigger, and jumping higher than he ever had previously. I think the stuff now is mostly used for recovery.


Summer of 2011 for Kobe is absolutely suspicious.


The most clear cut indicator of PED use for Kobe. He showed up to Rucker in July of 2002 the same sleek frame he had in previous seasons, then in just a couple months by training camp gained a whopping, chiseled 15 lbs of upper body mass muscle. You CAN NOT do that naturally in such a compact time frame. It's also as you said no coincidence he had knee troubles that year either.

Then you forgot after the 2003 season, the major knee surgery, he was meek and rail thin for the 2004 season. Then took them AGAIN for the 2004 - 2005 season, got really big ... and once again gave him self knee issues. Kobe's natural body isn't meant to have so much upper body weight. Clearly.

Then the summer of 2011 and his post Germany "blood therapy" treatment, and subsequent on court improvement. And now @ 35 recovering this quickly from an achilles tear?

People really don't want to believe something is up with these guys? I remember Derrick Rose commenting on it in the 2011 seasons, and it was swept under the rug that a lot of these guys take substances to help recovery and performance. All those millions on the line.


With the amount of time D-Rose is needing to heal, I think we can safely say Derrick Rose might be one of the only star players in the NBA not using PED's.

[livinglegend]

Relax, little guy.

Oh no! Now I m mad! I am angry! I m weak! My life is done!
He just told me to relax on a message board!
:facepalm :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Oh no! Now I m mad! I am angry! I m weak! My life is done!

:biggums:

You said those things, not me. :oldlol:

[livinglegend]

:biggums:

You said those things, not me. :oldlol:
:facepalm

[flipogb]

Im cool with PEDs for recovery, I want to see the best out there whether its Kobe or the players I hate most like Paul or Westbrook

[Vienceslav]

His knee recovery after they got swept by Dallas in 2011 and he was basically on one leg was a lot more fishy from a PED stand point.
Taking this as whole issue of PEDs in sports sometimes the ignorance of the people who watch ceases to amaze me, some of these guys are so obvious it's not even funny, my view is that sports are so infested with PEDs that I wouldn't even bother suspending guys when the only ones that get caught are the ones who somehow mismanage their clearance time and get caught, they are not getting penalized for cheating, but for being stupid and to appease the casual fan who thinks those are the exceptions who use.:roll:
I know it wouldn't be popular to declare that everybody is on steroids and destroy the image these guys build up for themselves and it would make a lot of these games seem like the WWE, but to some extent it already is and it's up to you how you decide to deal with that in terms of if you are okay with being entertained by enhanced athletes.
The flip of the coin of course being the athletes point of view where you will do anything to gain an advantage and sometimes these guys are not perhaps even aware of what they are actually taking, coming back full circle to the Kobe issue, I'm pretty sure he's on everything the modern science has to offer and that's why I don't get why some of the posters on this board predicted how he'll be a shell of himself next season.

[talkingconch]

http://us.cdn283.fansshare.com/photos/kevindurant/kevin-durant-828908045.jpg
Thats acne from his teens :roll: :roll:

[poido123]

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/nlFq5rFUr5U/mqdefault.jpg

http://tattletailzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dwayne-wade-300x450.jpg


Man, do you need to give me more reasons to hate the cHeat? :lol:

How sad that an athlete thinks he needs to destroy himself and his career and use PED's. Sure he might get away with it, but it sure as hell isn't cool.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Man, do you need to give me more reasons to hate the cHeat? :lol:

How sad that an athlete thinks he needs to destroy himself and his career and use PED's. Sure he might get away with it, but it sure as hell isn't cool.

You're delusional if you think none of the Bulls players are using PEDs.

[Jameerthefear]

You're delusional if you think none of the Bulls players are using PEDs.
who's alt are you?

[CavaliersFTW]

You're delusional if you think none of the Bulls players are using PEDs.
Well we definitely know Rose isn't :lol

[HoopsFanNumero1]

who's alt are you?

Yours.

[Geriatric]

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[retaxis]

Man, do you need to give me more reasons to hate the cHeat? :lol:

How sad that an athlete thinks he needs to destroy himself and his career and use PED's. Sure he might get away with it, but it sure as hell isn't cool.
Hey child can't tell the difference between a photoshop and a real picture?

[poido123]

You're delusional if you think none of the Bulls players are using PEDs.

Stop stalking my posts, how are old you? You only ever post about Heat topics you fckn loser.

And if I suspected any Bulls players using PED's, I'd despise that individual in the team and join in on the bashing. Bulls have high character players in their team, the organisation carefully drafts and trades for players who are not going to disrupt the team with offcourt shit. Wade and Lebron on the othe hand, don't mind taking a shortcut or two. Wouldn't be surprised if they are both shooting each other up on a regular basis.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

:mad:

:roll:

I really hope that post wasn't serious.

[Doranku]

I'll give Kobe the benefit of the doubt, he doesn't strike me as a guy who would cheat to get ahead. People like to cite the whole German knee treatment, but he was completely public about that and it's 100% legal.

And unsurprisingly, OP can't read. The surgery he received was a different method than most other athletes have received in the past which is clearly mentioned in the text that he himself bolded. Idiot.

[poido123]

Hey child can't tell the difference between a photoshop and a real picture?

Wade's jaw looks noticeably big man and I'm not referring to this picture :lol Since his rookie year photos, his jawline has grown 3 or 4 times the size, no amount of weight training will do that. This is a guy who has battled knee injuries for years, yet still finds a way to play at a high level when he has looked cooked.

The acne at an older age is another red flag, like more suggests that he is taking, than he isn't.

[branslowski]

LeBron on PED, not Kobe

[longtime lurker]

I guess OP will be crushed when Lebron actually gets bused for PED's

[poido123]

I'll give Kobe the benefit of the doubt, he doesn't strike me as a guy who would cheat to get ahead. People like to cite the whole German knee treatment, but he was completely public about that and it's 100% legal.

And unsurprisingly, OP can't read. The surgery he received was a different method than most other athletes have received in the past which is clearly mentioned in the text that he himself bolded. Idiot.

No physical signs that he is.

I'm just curious what he did training wise, medicine or whatever to overcome his achilles injury so quickly. Like he literally shaved half the time off recovery.

[Soundwave]

Millions of dollars are on the line, with a long off-season .... you can easily take PEDs and get away with it in the NBA, so why not? Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the better players today are on PEDs or have experimented with them.

[PickernRoller]

No physical signs that he is.

I'm just curious what he did training wise, medicine or whatever to overcome his achilles injury so quickly. Like he literally shaved half the time off recovery.

That's just a way of saying to say you're ahead of normal timelines. People read too much into the stuff Kobe says - somehow he's not relevant.

I don't want him to rush anything and have him get a setback. However, any good news is good for our team. Our season will depend a lot on his health and level of play - as always of course.

[I<3NBA]

good for him. he needs it.

[longtime lurker]

No physical signs that he is.

I'm just curious what he did training wise, medicine or whatever to overcome his achilles injury so quickly. Like he literally shaved half the time off recovery.

Well to be fair he was scheduled to be out 6-9 months and he's targeting a November or December return. He got injured in April so this is within his target return date.

At this point though I wouldn't be surprised if any athletes got caught doing PED's even the big name ones.

[Solefade]

technology for cheating will always outpace technology for catching cheating :confusedshrug:

[chazzy]

I heard the new procedure involves reattaching the tendon using Kevlar. His initial recovery time was 6-9 months

[Fiasco]

With the amount of time D-Rose is needing to heal, I think we can safely say Derrick Rose might be one of the only star players in the NBA not using PED's.

PEDs don't fix bruised vags.

[pauk]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SiQpZCaeYUA/URNOMq45AAI/AAAAAAAAEMI/s3LBAjGS-Ro/s640/WadesJaw.jpg

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[poido123]

Well to be fair he was scheduled to be out 6-9 months and he's targeting a November or December return. He got injured in April so this is within his target return date.

At this point though I wouldn't be surprised if any athletes got caught doing PED's even the big name ones.


Gotcha :cheers:


Meh, Bryant doesn't give me the impression of a weakness in character. I could see Wade or Lebron using it for two different reasons, but Kobe is from the old school, those guys are about hard work and taking no shortcuts.

[Flagrant 2]

DWYANE WADE IS A ****ING ******

[plowking]

LOL at people getting hyped over CavalierFTW's photo-shopped photos of Wade. Do people actually think his jaw is that big? lol. Not to mention his jaw was always that big even as a kid. That's not the blatant evidence people should be looking at. Its the amazing recovery in 08-09.

Wade is definitely on something, so is Kobe with his constant miraculous recoveries. Earliest case is probably Wilt though. Guy got huge, and had such an advantage over his field already, then he went on to take steroids and made huge strength gains. If you want to look at actual bone structure growth over a career, look at Wilt and his jaw, not to mention his knees.

[poido123]

LOL at people getting hyped over CavalierFTW's photo-shopped photos of Wade. Do people actually think his jaw is that big? lol. Not to mention his jaw was always that big even as a kid. That's not the blatant evidence people should be looking at. Its the amazing recovery in 08-09.

Wade is definitely on something, so is Kobe with his constant miraculous recoveries. Earliest case is probably Wilt though. Guy got huge, and had such an advantage over his field already, then he went on to take steroids and made huge strength gains. If you want to look at actual bone structure growth over a career, look at Wilt and his jaw, not to mention his knees.

What is sad, is that the fans kind of resign to the fact that this is acceptable.

I mean, I despise cheating in any form. Whether it be league cheating, player cheating or whatever. As soon as a sport crosses over the line of accepting PED's as part of the game is the time that we lose all purity and essense of the game.

I'm still laughing at your Wilt using PED's comment :lol

Did they even have that shit back then?

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Relax, little guy.
who you calling "little guy"?

[TheReal Kendall]

Everybody is on PEDs. You would be too if you got paid to do what they do for a living.

[DonDadda59]

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/nlFq5rFUr5U/mqdefault.jpg

http://tattletailzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dwayne-wade-300x450.jpg

Wade and Bean are definitely at the very top of the suspicious persons list in regard to PED abuse, or at least as superstars go. Bean has proven in the past he has no moral dilemna when it comes to flying to Germany to get a controversial knee procedure done that seems to be nothing more than just blood doping (or am I missing something? :confusedshrug: )

Him using HGH or deer antler substance wouldn't be at all shocking, especially given that he's apparently healing like Wolverine at 35 years old and 18 years in the league.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Earliest case is probably Wilt though. Guy got huge, and had such an advantage over his field already, then he went on to take steroids and made huge strength gains. If you want to look at actual bone structure growth over a career, look at Wilt and his jaw, not to mention his knees.
Someone finally mentions it. Thank you. Not to mention he was beginning to hang out with body builders, and professional wrestlers. Filming movies, etc. His gains absolutely look like possible steroid usage. To gain muscle mass like that, especially while playing an intense cardio sport like basketball ... it takes awhile. Or should. Regardless of the athletic specimen doing it.

Look at MJ. He didn't start lifting weights until the summer of 1990. He gained only like 5 lbs of muscle a year working with Grover. He was supposed to do it gradually too, so it doesn't affect your game. He went from 195 lbs in 1990 and eventually reached between 205 - 208 / 210 lbs ish in 1993. The heaviest he got in his Bulls days was 215 in 1996. Coming off training for a sport that requires more upper body strength like baseball. He eventually lost weight for the 1997 and 1998 seasons.

[plowking]

What is sad, is that the fans kind of resign to the fact that this is acceptable.

I mean, I despise cheating in any form. Whether it be league cheating, player cheating or whatever. As soon as a sport crosses over the line of accepting PED's as part of the game is the time that we lose all purity and essense of the game.

I'm still laughing at your Wilt using PED's comment :lol

Did they even have that shit back then?

:oldlol:

You're laughing at me, but you're asking when they had PED's?

Do you want to take a look at when steroids and PED's became illegal to use in the NBA. :oldlol:
Furthermore, do you think your boy Jordan didn't?

Its like Armstrong beating all the other drug cheats and then claiming he wasn't taking it. All it took was time.

[Euroleague]

Of course Kobe is on PEDs. 95+% of the NBA players are.

[CavaliersFTW]

Of course Kobe is on PEDs. 95+% of the NBA players are.
What % of unathletic white guys in Euroleague do u suppose are on PEDs?

[plowking]

Someone finally mentions it. Thank you. Not to mention he was beginning to hang out with body builders, and professional wrestlers. Filming movies, etc. His gains absolutely look like possible steroid usage. To gain muscle mass like that, especially while playing an intense cardio sport like basketball ... it takes awhile. Or should. Regardless of the athletic specimen doing it.

Look at MJ. He didn't start lifting weights until the summer of 1990. He gained only like 5 lbs of muscle a year working with Grover. He was supposed to do it gradually too, so it doesn't affect your game. He went from 195 lbs in 1990 and eventually reached between 205 - 208 / 210 lbs ish in 1993. The heaviest he got in his Bulls days was 215 in 1996. Coming off training for a sport that requires more upper body strength like baseball. He eventually lost weight for the 1997 and 1998 seasons.

I'd say Jordan was on it too.
Look at the recent case. Asafa Powell gets caught. Do people really think Usain probably isn't on something? Hes beating these drug cheats like its nothing.

I like others believe in once in a generation athletes. But I also believe they take things to preserve their advantage over the field.

[poido123]

:oldlol:

You're laughing at me, but you're asking when they had PED's?

Do you want to take a look at when steroids and PED's became illegal to use in the NBA. :oldlol:
Furthermore, do you think your boy Jordan didn't?

Its like Armstrong beating all the other drug cheats and then claiming he wasn't taking it. All it took was time.

Let's assume that he did. Do you really think the shit Wilt used would even be comparable to what they could use today? I wouldn't think so.

Ok, now if you are going to assume Jordan took them, tell me something that suggests that he did. Like jawline? Acne? Disproportionate muscles/Pumping veins? Anything?

[SamuraiSWISH]

I'd say Jordan was on it too.
LOL why? Besides your recent agenda attempts at Jordan "myth busting" or downgrading of his legacy?

It took him essentially 4 years to gain 15 lbs of muscle in his athletic prime between the ages of 27 and 31.

Was he using steroids when his knee went to shit at 39 years old? He certainly looked like he made a massive recovery didn't he?

:oldlol:

The greatest competitor not named Bird was limping around as an over the hill old man on one knee trying to bust the ass of kids half his age. All he had was his knee periodically drained. No overt signs of steroid use.

With Wade, Kobe, there is clear obvious signs of steroid use. Or at the very least, legit reasons to be skeptical. LeBron, and Dwight as well. Though with the LeBron, I think his natural body frame is so freakish that his weight gains were natural.

[plowking]

LOL why? Besides your recent agenda attempts at Jordan "myth busting" or downgrading of his legacy?

It took him essentially 4 years to gain 15 lbs of muscle in his athletic prime between the ages of 27 and 31.

Was he using steroids when his knee went to shit at 39 years old? He certainly looked like he made a massive recovery didn't he?

:oldlol:

The greatest competitor not named Bird was limping around as an over the hill old man on one knee trying to bust the ass of kids half his age. All he had was his knee periodically drained. No overt signs of steroid use.

With Wade, Kobe, there is clear obvious signs of steroid use. Or at the very least, legit reasons to be skeptical. LeBron, and Dwight as well. Though with the LeBron, I think his natural body frame is so freakish that his weight gains were natural.

Where are the sign for Lebron and Dwight though? What is this based on? They came in as teenagers, and gained weight. Big deal. I gained 30lbs in 2 years after going to the gym from late 17 to late 19 years old. I haven't touched a steroid in my life.

There aren't any signs that Dwight or Lebron did it, but I'm sure they've dabbled as well.

[poido123]

LOL why? Besides your recent agenda attempts at Jordan "myth busting" or downgrading of his legacy?

It took him essentially 4 years to gain 15 lbs of muscle in his athletic prime between the ages of 27 and 31.

Was he using steroids when his knee went to shit at 39 years old? He certainly looked like he made a massive recovery didn't he?

:oldlol:

The greatest competitor not named Bird was limping around as an over the hill old man on one knee trying to bust the ass of kids half his age. All he had was his knee periodically drained. No overt signs of steroid use.

With Wade, Kobe, there is clear obvious signs of steroid use. Or at the very least, legit reasons to be skeptical. LeBron, and Dwight as well. Though with the LeBron, I think his natural body frame is so freakish that his weight gains were natural.


I don't see clear signs that Kobe is taking.

Sure, we can speculate how long it takes to recover from injury, but it's not set in stone and everyone is different. Physical evidence in body appearance is a different matter. You can see proof.

[plowking]

I don't see clear signs that Kobe is taking.

Sure, we can speculate how long it takes to recover from injury, but it's not set in stone and everyone is different. Physical evidence in body appearance is a different matter. You can see proof.

You didn't know when PED's were around, when they became a controlled substance, etc, and now we're supposed to believe you know the type of toll they have on the body? :oldlol:

Come on dude, stop pretending.

[Solefade]

I don't see clear signs that Kobe is taking.

Sure, we can speculate how long it takes to recover from injury, but it's not set in stone and everyone is different. Physical evidence in body appearance is a different matter. You can see proof.


A "clear indicator" would be him 3.5 months ahead of schedule in his achilles recovery process at 35 years old. :facepalm

That was the whole point of this thread.

[monkeypox]

It could be or they tried a newer version of the surgury. My father was supposed to have surgery that had him in a cast for two months and in rehab for three months and one of his legs was going to be permanently shorter. We went around for a 2nd opinion and we got a surgeon that said he would try something new that was just gaining traction. He did it and my dad was literally walking again three weeks later. This wasn't even due to a new machine or new tools. It was literally just a new method of doing the surgery and the differences were dramatic. The surgeon said the same thing to my dad, that he was shattering the recovery time tables, they even brought other surgeons in the area to take a look because many wanted to see the result first hand.

[oh the horror]

Ill put it to you fellas like this. I've been watching ball for 20 years or so. I've never seen someone with Kobe's mileage doing what he did last season and continuing to heal the way he does.

[Lakers2877]

Was reading some of the answers in the thread. It seems like there is a misconception about PEDs by some. I'm sure some players use to build muscle but I imagine most who use them, use them so they can recover quicker. Blood doping and stuff like that. Think of all the traveling, playing back to backs. If I were an nba player and I was taking something I would take whatever helps me to recover quicker. There isn't a big muscle/strength need like there is in the NFL. Not that muscle and strength can't be beneficial. Obviously it can be. But if you look at a cheater like that asshole douchebag lance Armstrong he was taking stuff to give him more endurance. That's what blood doping does. He could ride 100 miles or whatever it is thru the mountains of France, get a couple injections and be ready to go the next day. I imagine that's what most nba players would be going for. Just an opinion

[Lakers2877]

Ill put it to you fellas like this. I've been watching ball for 20 years or so. I've never seen someone with Kobe's mileage doing what he did last season and continuing to heal the way he does.
Yeah I'm sure he's probably on something but he's as driven and motivated as any athlete I've seen in 30 years. The guy is a workout fiend

[DonDadda59]

Well we definitely know Rose isn't :lol

Ironic since it was Rose who said the NBA has a massive PED problem, while old ass players are healing like Wolverine from career-threatening injuries and guys are buying their hats from the same store 'prime' Barry Bonds did and wearing out their t-shirts and turtlenecks.

I think it's safe to say we would've seen DRose a lot sooner if he had the 'good fortune' and body morphing abilities of some of those guys :lol

[oh the horror]

Yeah I'm sure he's probably on something but he's as driven and motivated as any athlete I've seen in 30 years. The guy is a workout fiend



Well when you add the two you get what you get. Now if this dude comes back strong then you KNOW he's on something. You can't defy the laws of nature. It just isn't happening.

[poido123]

You didn't know when PED's were around, when they became a controlled substance, etc, and now we're supposed to believe you know the type of toll they have on the body? :oldlol:

Come on dude, stop pretending.

I'm not an expert on the matter, but I do know that certain PED's cause certain outcomes to the body and that PED's are far more prevelant in the last 20 years than ever before...Why? Big money contracts, there is a payoff.

Which stills leaves me with my question to you about Jordan? :confusedshrug:

[Lakers2877]

Well when you add the two you get what you get. Now if this dude comes back strong then you KNOW he's on something. You can't defy the laws of nature. It just isn't happening.


If he comes back and is scoring 27-28 a night, yeah, he's up to no good lol

[poido123]

Well when you add the two you get what you get. Now if this dude comes back strong then you KNOW he's on something. You can't defy the laws of nature. It just isn't happening.

When you mean strong, do you mean going back to his usual averages from the year before straight out of the block?

If he was rusty for a couple of weeks then went to his usual averages, I would see nothing suspect in that.

[Heavincent]

I'd have no problem with it.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I'm not judging Kobe. Still a top ten player all-time off skill alone. Him taking something, tt speaks to the type of competitor and drive he has. Even if it's cheating. He's trying to beat nature by cheating. In a way it is disrespectful to the game by skipping steps or trying to gain a competitive advantage. Their is an element to it that I oddly respect. But come on fellas, stop being ignorant. He has to be on something.

[plowking]

I'm not an expert on the matter, but I do know that certain PED's cause certain outcomes to the body and that PED's are far more prevelant in the last 20 years than ever before...Why? Big money contracts, there is a payoff.

Which stills leaves me with my question to you about Jordan? :confusedshrug:

You just accused Lebron before with no evidence. Another poster accused Dwight. Hell, even Wade, had a huge jaw before, as a child.

What were Rashard Lewis' physical giveaways? Or Hedo's? :oldlol:

I'm just basing this on player recovery, and the fact that being a great player allows you to far more lucrative contracts. Back in the day it would have been even more tempting considering you had great players earning $200,000 a year in Wilt's day, to an average played getting $10,000-40,000 a year.

[plowking]

I'm not judging Kobe. Still a top ten player all-time off skill alone. Him taking something, tt speaks to the type of competitor and drive he has. Even if it's cheating. He's trying to beat nature by cheating. In a way it is disrespectful to the game by skipping steps or trying to gain a competitive advantage. Their is an element to it that I oddly respect. But come on fellas, stop being ignorant. He has to be on something.

I don't think its cheating when more than likely the majority of the field is using it.

I could be way off base and NBA is one of the better sports in terms of players not wanting to use drugs to get ahead. But after baseball, sprinting, cycling, etc all suffering recently, its hard to think every sports throughout most of its history isn't tainted in some fashion.

[TonyMontana]

Kobe Bryant has most definitely done some illegal substances to recover from his injuries. It's a given. To Kobe, basketball is all he has. Does anyone think this rapist wouldn't think twice about using illegal substances if they would help him recover from injuries and prolong his career? This guy has no class/morals, didn't he sue his mom for selling his high school jersey or some shit? :oldlol:

[poido123]

You just accused Lebron before with no evidence. Another poster accused Dwight. Hell, even Wade, had a huge jaw before, as a child.

What were Rashard Lewis' physical giveaways? Or Hedo's? :oldlol:

I'm just basing this on player recovery, and the fact that being a great player allows you to far more lucrative contracts. Back in the day it would have been even more tempting considering you had great players earning $200,000 a year in Wilt's day, to an average played getting $10,000-40,000 a year.

Now your flipflopping. Do you or do you not think Wade is on PED's?

Everyone here is speculating athlete's to be on it, athlete's have learnt to use around testing periods like Olympics for example. NBA doesn't want to catch out these guys in a hurry, it would be a disaster for the league and it's image. Especially when it comes to their biggest stars like Lebron and Wade of the Heat, it would be a nightmare. There is clear physical evidence of Wade on PED's and Lebron. It may just come down to how much and how frequent, as I believe Wade is taking more and more often.

[poido123]

I don't think its cheating when more than likely the majority of the field is using it.

I could be way off base and NBA is one of the better sports in terms of players not wanting to use drugs to get ahead. But after baseball, sprinting, cycling, etc all suffering recently, its hard to think every sports throughout most of its history isn't tainted in some fashion.


I like how you downplay PED's like it's acceptable and ok :lol

Every instance of PED use is disgusting and lacks character in the individual. If you are not good enough to compete without drugs, you are not good enough to be a professional athlete at all. This is a typical homer response Plowking, you should be disgusted in your heroes if they are found to be cheating this way.

[daily]

He's shattered the healing process up to this point. Dr. on radio today said it's due to the newer technique of sewing the tendon back up like they used on David Beckham. He returned 6 months after the injury, about a month earlier than predicted. The newer more aggressive form of repair allows a person to begin rehab earlier

He cautioned though there's a huge difference between rehab and playing basketball and setbacks are common as the scar tissue begins to tear away from the repaired area.

[KingLeBronJames]

Kobe Bryant has most definitely done some illegal substances to recover from his injuries. It's a given. To Kobe, basketball is all he has. Does anyone think this rapist wouldn't think twice about using illegal substances if they would help him recover from injuries and prolong his career? This guy has no class/morals, didn't he sue his mom for selling his high school jersey or some shit? :oldlol:
You must 13 years old talking like that.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

I like how you downplay PED's like it's acceptable and ok :lol

Every instance of PED use is disgusting and lacks character in the individual. If you are not good enough to compete without drugs, you are not good enough to be a professional athlete at all. This is a typical homer response Plowking, you should be disgusted in your heroes if they are found to be cheating this way.

You know what else shows a lack of character? Cheating on your SATs. I'm sure you hate Rose for it though and constantly bash him.

[oh the horror]

When you mean strong, do you mean going back to his usual averages from the year before straight out of the block?

If he was rusty for a couple of weeks then went to his usual averages, I would see nothing suspect in that.



Well I expect rust. But for him to be dropping 27-28 a game as another poster said and schooling people at 35 off his injury and 18 years in the league for a guard? That's crazy town.

[poido123]

You know what else shows a lack of character? Cheating on your SATs. I'm sure you hate Rose for it though and constantly bash him.

I can see how you matched up the relevance of a college entry test to cheating in his basketball profession where he is paid millions of dollars :lol

[boldarblood]

Kobe is prolly on more PEDs than anyone in the NBA

your argument is very convincing, I for one do not know what we shall do if you stop posting.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

I can see how you matched up the relevance of a college entry test to cheating in his basketball profession where he is paid millions of dollars :lol

Money is irrelevant here. The fact that Rose resorted to cheating shows his lack of character. You should be disgusted at your hero.

[poido123]

Money is irrelevant here. The fact that Rose resorted to cheating shows his lack of character. You should be disgusted at your hero.

Ok man, whatever you say. You got me convinced.

[plowking]

Now your flipflopping. Do you or do you not think Wade is on PED's?

Everyone here is speculating athlete's to be on it, athlete's have learnt to use around testing periods like Olympics for example. NBA doesn't want to catch out these guys in a hurry, it would be a disaster for the league and it's image. Especially when it comes to their biggest stars like Lebron and Wade of the Heat, it would be a nightmare. There is clear physical evidence of Wade on PED's and Lebron. It may just come down to how much and how frequent, as I believe Wade is taking more and more often.

I do, but his jaw isn't any indicator of it.

Clear physical evidence, yet you haven't given me any examples. What is it? That they are muscle bound?

[Rose'sACL]

There's no doubt in my mind that Kobe has done or is currently doing PEDs. He's that kind of competitor. Obviously there's no proof, but just knowing Kobe like we do, I think it's clear.

This is what PEDs are now. They're a way to stay healthy and get back out there. In the '90s and '00s, it's about actually enhancing your performance. Now, it's more about healing and maintaining your level of production over a long season. In way, it's still performance enhancing, but not in the traditional sense.
This is probably the only good comment in this thread.

[plowking]

I like how you downplay PED's like it's acceptable and ok :lol

Every instance of PED use is disgusting and lacks character in the individual. If you are not good enough to compete without drugs, you are not good enough to be a professional athlete at all. This is a typical homer response Plowking, you should be disgusted in your heroes if they are found to be cheating this way.

Homer response? They haven't been found out, and I assume the rest of the league is on it. :oldlol:

[poido123]

Well I expect rust. But for him to be dropping 27-28 a game as another poster said and schooling people at 35 off his injury and 18 years in the league for a guard? That's crazy town.

Hmm. It's a tough one. Kobe has very good skills and fundamentals that will always translate to decent scoring and averages. Jordan was still schooling guys at 38, while Kobe isn't Jordan they do share a similar resemblance in skill base and he has better knees than Jordan did at age 38...

Now, coming off a serious achilles injury, I really don't know what to expect from him. If he has the same athleticism and explosion off the bat as he did pre-injury? Then I would be a little suspicious. But if he is averaging around 16-18 points, 4 rebounds and 4 assists that would be about right.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Ok man, whatever you say. You got me convinced.

I don't get your comment. Why're you even bringing up money in the first place? The fact that Rose made a mockery of the education system doesn't matter to you? Rose cheated and his teammates had to pay the price.

[chazzy]

It could be or they tried a newer version of the surgury. My father was supposed to have surgery that had him in a cast for two months and in rehab for three months and one of his legs was going to be permanently shorter. We went around for a 2nd opinion and we got a surgeon that said he would try something new that was just gaining traction. He did it and my dad was literally walking again three weeks later. This wasn't even due to a new machine or new tools. It was literally just a new method of doing the surgery and the differences were dramatic. The surgeon said the same thing to my dad, that he was shattering the recovery time tables, they even brought other surgeons in the area to take a look because many wanted to see the result first hand.
Yeah, they use a Kevlar-like material to act as a base for the scar tissue to grow around. That's typically the main complication with achilles tears - the lack of mobility traditional surgeries allow initially cause stiffness and take some of your flexibility away for good because of the scar tissue. This method allows immediate controlled movement of the ankle to remodel the scar tissue and promote total mobility once it heals. So there's a low chance he'll tear it again, but typically achilles ruptures really take away your explosion for good. 93 Dominique is mind boggling though

[SamuraiSWISH]

Yeah, they use a Kevlar-like material to act as a base for the scar tissue to grow around.
Dude's achilles is now bullet proof?

:biggums:

[poido123]

I do, but his jaw isn't any indicator of it.

Clear physical evidence, yet you haven't given me any examples. What is it? That they are muscle bound?


Absolutely jaw size has everything to do with taking PED's and here you are calling out me for my knowledge on PED's :lol:

Jaw structure(Wade), trapezius muscles are abnormally large(Lebron), veins popping out more than just the regular gym user, receding hairline(Lebron), torso size(Lebron), Unusual stamina levels(Lebron), Very defined muscle detail(Wade and Lebron)

I suspect Lebron is using something like EPO together with some muscle growth hormone. Wade would be using something to do with muscle tissue recovery, steroids come to mind.

It should be noted that Wade's ex-business partner accused him of taking steroids..

Now, you give your reasons for suspecting Jordan to be using PED's, I have time :pimp:

[plowking]

Jaw structure(Wade), trapezius muscles are abnormally large(Lebron), veins popping out more than just the regular gym user, receding hairline(Lebron), torso size(Lebron), Unusual stamina levels(Lebron), Very defined muscle detail(Wade and Lebron)


Now, you give your reasons for suspecting Jordan to be using PED's, I have time :pimp:

So Wade was using at the age of 10 and prior? :oldlol:

Its funny that literally all those symptoms you think show signs of PED's apply to Jordan.

Receding hairline, traps, veins, stamina, defined muscle, lol... You're acting as if its a one way street. :oldlol:
You don't have the slightest clue when it comes to PED's. The one thing you're adamant on repeating is the jaw line thing, which is overused to death on this forum, and isn't all that prominent of a side effect to begin with. :oldlol:

[poido123]

So Wade was using at the age of 10 and prior? :oldlol:

Its funny that literally all those symptoms you think show signs of PED's apply to Jordan.

Receding hairline, traps, veins, stamina, defined muscle, lol... You're acting as if its a one way street. :oldlol:
You don't have the slightest clue when it comes to PED's. The one thing you're adamant on repeating is the jaw line thing, which is overused to death on this forum, and isn't all that prominent of a side effect to begin with. :oldlol:

Oh really? Says the guy who thinks an abnormal jawline is not from the use of PED's :lol:

Wade's jawline in his young age is still lightyears from where it is now. That's what you don't get.

Again, I think I have fairly addressed a good case for Lebron and Wade, I'd like to see your reasoning on Jordan :confusedshrug:

[Laker Logic]

At this point the only non-naive position to take is that the norm these days is that the wide majority of pro athletes (including your personal favorite) have done or are doing something that's a violation of the rules concerning chemically-aided performance, and that this likelihood gets closer to 100% the more inhumanly Player X performs.

What this should do is give people comfort that your sports of choice aren't being ruined by "cheaters" - because the more likely it is that they're all doing something illegal or cutting edge or in technical violation of the rules, the lesser relative advantage that would give them over their peers, who are likely doing the same or similar things.

[RRR3]

Guys I'd say AREN'T on steroids:

Kevin Durant (why would he mention the steroid issue if he was using them, that'd be retarded)
Derrick Rose (same reason as Durant)


who knows after that.

[boozehound]

PED abuse is just your speculation. It may or may not be the case.

Theres this other procedure in Germany that he and J.O. did. They purify your blood and inject it into your injury area. They combine it with intensive physical therapy, so its not hard to believe that Kobe could shatter the normal recovery time using this method.

Sure not everyone can do it, but its not PED abuse either.
They dont purify anything. They centrifuge your blood to enrich the platelet count and then reinject it. Its similar to blood doping, which has been illegal in running for ???? years.

[poido123]

They dont purify anything. They centrifuge your blood to enrich the platelet count and then reinject it. Its similar to blood doping, which has been illegal in running for ???? years.

I'd suspect a shitload of NBA players would be using this type of method. Especially before the playoffs, where you gas alot quicker.

[plowking]

Oh really? Says the guy who thinks an abnormal jawline is not from the use of PED's :lol:

Wade's jawline in his young age is still lightyears from where it is now. That's what you don't get.

Again, I think I have fairly addressed a good case for Lebron and Wade, I'd like to see your reasoning on Jordan :confusedshrug:

I gave you the reasoning for Jordan. Same as the stuff you gave for Wade/Lebron.

Receding hairline, very defined, stamina, muscle bound, more veins.

All apply to Jordan. Guess he is juicing as I suspected. Same things you said apply here for Jordan. Must be the case.

LOL at using trap size for a reason. :oldlol:

[plowking]

Guys I'd say AREN'T on steroids:

Kevin Durant (why would he mention the steroid issue if he was using them, that'd be retarded)
Derrick Rose (same reason as Durant)


who knows after that.

Just like how Lance Armstrong was one of the biggest advocates for testing and making sure everything was clean. :oldlol:

It doesn't mean jack.

[COnDEMnED]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SiQpZCaeYUA/URNOMq45AAI/AAAAAAAAEMI/s3LBAjGS-Ro/s640/WadesJaw.jpg
Is this real or a photoshop? He looks like he's flaring his jaw out like a King Cobra would his hood to ward off possible predators.

[plowking]

Is this real or a photoshop? He looks like he's flaring his jaw out like a King Cobra would his hood to ward off possible predators.

:oldlol:

Its photo-shopped. The jaw was even bigger before.

[poido123]

I gave you the reasoning for Jordan. Same as the stuff you gave for Wade/Lebron.

Receding hairline, very defined, stamina, muscle bound, more veins.

All apply to Jordan. Guess he is juicing as I suspected. Same things you said apply here for Jordan. Must be the case.

LOL at using trap size for a reason. :oldlol:

My stepdad used to work in a health store, he was in regular contact with gymjunkies and athletes looking to get an edge with their fitness programs. I remember him telling me that large traps are a dead giveaway and square jawline for use of a steroid or muscle growth hormone and large pectoral muscles as well. I have done a bit of research myself on the net and it is consistent with these physical effects.

Anyways, I got to head out, I'll get back to responding to the Jordan BS later on. :lol

[bluechox2]

35 is the new 25

[b1imtf]

I'd have no problem with it.
This

[ralph_i_el]

He's too driven NOT to use roids to heal up. Lakers would be better off punting this year though...

[BasedTom]

Is this real or a photoshop? He looks like he's flaring his jaw out like a King Cobra would his hood to ward off possible predators.
It's a photoshop. Here's the real pic:

http://i.imgur.com/zFwHney.jpg

Yes he has a big jaw. But it isn't anywhere near as huge as the fake pic.

[The_Yearning]

D. Rose the only clean n!gga in the league.

SmH

[CavaliersFTW]

It's a photoshop. Here's the real pic:

http://i.imgur.com/zFwHney.jpg

Yes he has a big jaw. But it isn't anywhere near as huge as the fake pic.
^- photoshop, in real life Wade's jaw is MUCH bigger. Wade's PR people shopped that pic to try and safe face after a bunch of 'Roid/HGH accusations started circulating. This forgery was their attempt at "proof" that he isn't on it but you can clearly see the poor photoshop job they did. The pic I posted is the legit version released by the photographer (who was later sued by Wade's people).

[daily]

I'd suspect a shitload of NBA players would be using this type of method. Especially before the playoffs, where you gas alot quicker.

It does nothing for stamina at all. It's nothing like blood doping where they transfuse entire bags of red blood cell rich blood into the blood stream for increased oxygen supply to the body during extreme stress loads on the body, like cycling or marathon running.

What Kobe and others are doing is different. This is injected into the area of the body, knees or ankles, shoulders that is trying to heal from an injury. It lasts a few weeks and doesn't increase performance other than your injury is healed up. If you did it in a perfectly healthy joint you wouldn't jump higher or run faster.

It's a medical procedure unlike blood doping which is a performance enhancing procedure

[boozehound]

I'd suspect a shitload of NBA players would be using this type of method. Especially before the playoffs, where you gas alot quicker.
its not like that. It isnt blood doping, but its similar. Unlike blood doping, which seeks increase your oxygen uptake with elevated red blood cells, this technique is designed to increase the level of platelets in a targeted area of your body. Platelets are a source of lots of different growth factors, which promote healing. Basically designed to make you heal something faster. Still, the principle of using your own blood for an enhancement is the same. Where is the cutoff?

[red1]

I support the use of peds to recover from injury. I dont know what drose was doing sitting on his ass for a year, he clearly shouldve taken the same stuff

[The-Legend-24]

Cot damn!! :bowdown:

[Batz]

“The surgical procedure was different ... and because of that the recovery has been different,” Bryant said.


You're welcome.

[PickernRoller]

I support the use of peds to recover from injury. I dont know what drose was doing sitting on his ass for a year, he clearly shouldve taken the same stuff

He was cleared to play ages ago. Dude too scared to get back in the court and ruin his career.

If it's gonna happen, it will happen.

[ihoopallday]

I can't stand it when people try and argue and have no clue about the subject. Poido for example. Guy has no clue about PED's, yet he's in here trying to prove something. :facepalm

[secund2nun]

Kobe is using it.

[G-Funk]

Lebron be using since high school, Wade since Rookie season

[deja vu]

Nah.. it's just some stem cell sh*t from Germany or something. :roll:

[Floppy]

Actually, he IS correct. For instance, something like GH/Somatropin, which many suspect is rampant in the NBA, does NOT cause acne.

And yes, the ignorance on here about this stuff is astounding. It's hilarious watching dudes post who don't have any clue what they're talking about.
Brilliant, on one hand you make fun of the posters for being ignorant and on the other hand you use their ignorant suspicions as proof for your argument. :applause:

[retaxis]

Lol gonna enjoy watching Kobe like last year. I like his shots when they go in because it is aesthetic, I laugh when they don't go in. Chances are I will be laughing a good 70% this season.

[LosScandalous]

:biggums: are we going to act like Kobe does not have superior healing genetics compared to the average joe?

[SpurrDurr]

BRB goin to Germany

[TheBigVeto]

Kobe is using it.

Of course he is.

[Magic 32]

Heat fans accusing other players of PED use. :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0725/otl_fischer1_600.jpg

Kobe has been the most dominant when he was skinny and fragile (01, 06). A "skills first" player.



Anyway, this is the same thread we saw from frustrated Lebron fans during Kobe's amazing play in March and April. The nerve of these pricks is amazing.


Bean has proven in the past he has no moral dilemma when it comes to flying to Germany to get a controversial knee procedure done that seems to be nothing more than just blood doping (or am I missing something? :confusedshrug: )


His knee surgery in Germany was an operation, not a steady abuse of illegal substances. That why we don’t see Kobe with those perfectly timed "big games" like Wade or the "tank like" durability of Lebron.

No moral problems with that procedure.



Then you forgot after the 2003 season, the major knee surgery, he was meek and rail thin for the 2004 season. Then took them AGAIN for the 2004 - 2005 season, got really big ... and once again gave him self knee issues.

Yes, nothing happened in 2003-04 that could have derailed Kobe's ability to remain buff. No distractions at all. :rolleyes:


This thread is first class garbage.

[poido123]

I can't stand it when people try and argue and have no clue about the subject. Poido for example. Guy has no clue about PED's, yet he's in here trying to prove something. :facepalm


[QUOTE=poido123]I'm not an expert on the matter, but I do know that certain PED's cause certain outcomes to the body and that PED's are far more prevelant in the last 20 years than ever before...Why? Big money contracts, there is a payoff.

[poido123]

It does nothing for stamina at all. It's nothing like blood doping where they transfuse entire bags of red blood cell rich blood into the blood stream for increased oxygen supply to the body during extreme stress loads on the body, like cycling or marathon running.

What Kobe and others are doing is different. This is injected into the area of the body, knees or ankles, shoulders that is trying to heal from an injury. It lasts a few weeks and doesn't increase performance other than your injury is healed up. If you did it in a perfectly healthy joint you wouldn't jump higher or run faster.

It's a medical procedure unlike blood doping which is a performance enhancing procedure

...

[Unbiased_one]

I don't see clear signs that Kobe is taking.

Sure, we can speculate how long it takes to recover from injury, but it's not set in stone and everyone is different. Physical evidence in body appearance is a different matter. You can see proof.
In 03 and 05 there are two highly unnatural weight gains from Kobe. Not that I care, it all makes it more entertaining.

[Frozen1]

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[Shogon]

Bump

[eliteballer]

PED's can't reattach your Achilles...ISHiot:roll: