2001 Kobe vs 2006 Wade

[Haks]

Kobe
RS: 28.5/6/5 on 46/30/85 TS 55%
PO:29/7/6 on 47/32/82 TS 55%
With Great defence
Wade
RS: 27/7/7 on 49/17/78 TS 58%
PO: 28/6/6 on 50/38/80 TS 59%
Great finals performance
(Used my phone so sorry if stats are not accurate)
Who ya got?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Wade had one of the best Finals performances of all time. Kobe wasn't even the best player on his team.

[Haks]

Wade had one of the best Finals performances of all time. Kobe wasn't even the best player on his team.
I know he wasnt and he still put up similar numbers to Wade.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I know he wasnt and he still put up similar numbers to Wade.

So if you watch Kobe's 2001 Finals and Wade's 2006 Finals you would say they both dominated the same way? Wade alone in the ECF absolutely destroyed the Pistons.

[Scholar]

Give me Kobe & no, not because I'm a Lakers homer.

Kobe had a legit 28 PPG. I know people like WayOfWade will hate me for this, but c'mon... Anyone who actually watched Wade in the 2006 POs knows that shit was rigged for him... Even with all those FTs, he still BARELY scraped pass Kobe's 28 PPG.

[thabisyo]

Give me Kobe & no, not because I'm a Lakers homer.

Kobe had a legit 28 PPG. I know people like WayOfWade will hate me for this, but c'mon... Anyone who actually watched Wade in the 2006 POs knows that shit was rigged for him... Even with all those FTs, he still BARELY scraped pass Kobe's 28 PPG.

rigged ? :facepalm

[thabisyo]

2006 Wade eats 2001 kobe and defecates prime kobe :lol

[SilkkTheShocker]

If you replaced 06 Wade with 01 Kobe, Miami isn't winning the title.

[Dragonyeuw]

Wade had one of the best Finals performances of all time. Kobe wasn't even the best player on his team.

2006 Wade wouldn't have been the best player on that 2001 Lakers team either, not alongside 2001 Shaq. Few players in league history would have been....

[SilkkTheShocker]

Kobe = little b.itch sidekick

Wade= Top dog/Finals MVP.

[Shade8780]

That's pretty tough, especially when you had prime Shaq taking touches away from Kobe, while Wade was the top dog on the Heat. Since I can't decide between both, I'm gonna base off looks, and Kobe wins that only because he had that dope fro.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/000/975/961/577208_crop_340x234.jpg

[KOBE143]

2006 Wade was a product of refs and stern..

So 2001 Kobe is the obvious answer and its not even close..

[fpliii]

Wade easily, unfair comparison.

[0000000]

Obviously Wade because you're comparing a real superhero and a sidekick.

It's like comparing Superman to Robin, no comparison.

Stupid topic because we all know Kobe,s first 3 rings mean nothing and he was just a sidekick.

Yes, I'm being sarcastic. But seeing how Kobe doesn't get credit for his first three rings and gets labeled as a sidekick, the comparison looks stupid. I mean, he's getting compared to a non sidekick. You're comparing a guy who's ring fing for that year means nothing here to a guy who'se won the finals MVP and therefore has a legitimate ring?

How can it even be a comparison? Lol.

The funniest thing is that Kobe was btter by a considerable margin. Just ask the Spurs fans. Shaq, they could deal with. But that sidekick who's ring means nothing dropping 40 game after game..not as much.

[TheReal Kendall]

Give me Kobe & no, not because I'm a Lakers homer.

Kobe had a legit 28 PPG. I know people like WayOfWade will hate me for this, but c'mon... Anyone who actually watched Wade in the 2006 POs knows that shit was rigged for him... Even with all those FTs, he still BARELY scraped pass Kobe's 28 PPG.

I don't get it.

Why would the NBA rig the POs for one man?

Wade wasn't the face of the NBA.

[WayOfWade]

Kobe 01':
RS: 28.5 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 5.0 APG, 1.7 SPG, .6 BPG, 3.2 TOPG, 46.4 FG%, 30.5 3P%, 85.3 FT%, 24.5 PER, 55.2 TS%.
P/O's: 29.4 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 6.1 APG, 1.6 SPG, .8 BPG, 3.2 TOPG, 46.9 FG%, 32.4 3P%, 82.1 FT%, 25.0 PER, 55.5 TS%.
Accolades: NBA Champ, NBA All-Star, All NBA 2nd Team, All Defensive 2nd Team.
*sidekick

Wade 06':
RS: 27.2 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.9 SPG, .8 BPG, 3.6 TOPG, 49.5 FG%, 17.1 3P%, 78.3 FT%, 27.6 PER, 57.7 TS%.
P/O's: 28.4 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 5.7 APG, 2.2 SPG, 1.1 BPG, 3.9 TOPG, 49.7 FG%, 37.8 3P%, 80.8 FT%, 26.9 PER, 59.3 TS%.
Accolades: NBA Champ, NBA FMVP, NBA All-Star, All-NBA 2nd Team, Skills Challenge Title.
*Alpha Dog
-Give me Wade's resume for 06' over Kobe's for 01'.
Repost from a different thread.

[Scholar]

I don't get it.

Why would the NBA rig the POs for one man?

Wade wasn't the face of the NBA.

I meant the Finals were rigged, not the entire POs.
My bad. I should've been more clear.

[Scholar]

Kobe 01':
RS: 28.5 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 5.0 APG, 1.7 SPG, .6 BPG, 3.2 TOPG, 46.4 FG%, 30.5 3P%, 85.3 FT%, 24.5 PER, 55.2 TS%.
P/O's: 29.4 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 6.1 APG, 1.6 SPG, .8 BPG, 3.2 TOPG, 46.9 FG%, 32.4 3P%, 82.1 FT%, 25.0 PER, 55.5 TS%.
Accolades: NBA Champ, NBA All-Star, All NBA 2nd Team, All Defensive 2nd Team.
*sidekick

Wade 06':
RS: 27.2 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.9 SPG, .8 BPG, 3.6 TOPG, 49.5 FG%, 17.1 3P%, 78.3 FT%, 27.6 PER, 57.7 TS%.
P/O's: 28.4 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 5.7 APG, 2.2 SPG, 1.1 BPG, 3.9 TOPG, 49.7 FG%, 37.8 3P%, 80.8 FT%, 26.9 PER, 59.3 TS%.
Accolades: NBA Champ, NBA FMVP, NBA All-Star, All-NBA 2nd Team, Skills Challenge Title.
*Alpha Dog
-Give me Wade's resume for 06' over Kobe's for 01'.
Repost from a different thread.

Kobe in the POs averaging 7+ rebounds/game with a prime Shaq in the line-up. :applause:

Look, I love Wade's game, but Kobe has him beat. Kobe did roughly the same numbers--- if not better--- while being a "sidekick." Wade had an out-of-his-prime Shaq & barely passed Kobe up in stats and even season accolades.

[KOBE143]

Kobe 01':
RS: 28.5 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 5.0 APG, 1.7 SPG, .6 BPG, 3.2 TOPG, 46.4 FG%, 30.5 3P%, 85.3 FT%, 24.5 PER, 55.2 TS%.
P/O's: 29.4 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 6.1 APG, 1.6 SPG, .8 BPG, 3.2 TOPG, 46.9 FG%, 32.4 3P%, 82.1 FT%, 25.0 PER, 55.5 TS%.
Accolades: NBA Champ, NBA All-Star, All NBA 2nd Team, All Defensive 2nd Team.
*sidekick

Wade 06':
RS: 27.2 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.9 SPG, .8 BPG, 3.6 TOPG, 49.5 FG%, 17.1 3P%, 78.3 FT%, 27.6 PER, 57.7 TS%.
P/O's: 28.4 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 5.7 APG, 2.2 SPG, 1.1 BPG, 3.9 TOPG, 49.7 FG%, 37.8 3P%, 80.8 FT%, 26.9 PER, 59.3 TS%.
Accolades: NBA Champ, NBA FMVP, NBA All-Star, All-NBA 2nd Team, Skills Challenge Title.
*Alpha Dog
-Give me Wade's resume for 06' over Kobe's for 01'.
Repost from a different thread.
So Kobe putting that stats as a 2nd option is still better than Wade stats as Alpha puppy.. Imagine Kobe as alpha dog that year, maybe this thread would never created in the first place..

[WayOfWade]

Kobe in the POs averaging 7+ rebounds/game with a prime Shaq in the line-up. :applause:

Look, I love Wade's game, but Kobe has him beat. Kobe did roughly the same numbers--- if not better--- while being a "sidekick." Wade had an out-of-his-prime Shaq & barely passed Kobe up in stats and even season accolades.
I like how you're being subjective, nice change of pace from people like Jacks3. But Wade has the edge here in my opinion. Wade was the soul defensive attention of the Pistons and the Mavericks and still put up beastly #'s on beastly efficiency. Kobe got his stats playing off Shaq (and vice versa), which is a huge relief of pressure; while Wade had no-one near that caliber to play off of. And as you even admitted, he did pass up Kobe on season accolades. Am I saying Dwyane Wade was the better player? No. I'm saying he had the better year. It's not Kobe's fault Shaq was in his team, but Shaq was. Kobe didnt do as much heavy lifting as Wade did. Not to mention as I've said before, Wade had one of the Best Finals Performances of All-Time.
And don't say those finals were rigged. I've watched each of those games and what I saw was Wade attacking and the Mavericks not having an answer. And I also love how people forget the Fact that the Heat held 3 of the Mavs top 4 scorers (Dirk, J. Stackhouse, & J. Howard) all under 40% shooting.

[WayOfWade]

So Kobe putting that stats as a 2nd option is still better than Wade stats as Alpha puppy.. Imagine Kobe as alpha dog that year, maybe this thread would never created in the first place..
Imagine Kobe with Shaq @ the level he was @ with Wade. They still might win a title, but it wouldn't be so easy; not only do Shaq's beastly #'s drop, but Kobe's #'s do as well with all the defensive attention on him. However, Imagination is not reality. Kobe had a fantastic season that year, but the fact remains that he wasn't even the best player on his team. He didnt do nearly as much heavy lifting as Wade did. I'm not saying Wade was significantly the better player, or had significantly the better year, I'm just saying he did have the better year, and not by a long shot.

[KOBE143]

Imagine Kobe with Shaq @ the level he was @ with Wade. They still might win a title, but it wouldn't be so easy; not only do Shaq's beastly #'s drop, but Kobe's #'s do as well with all the defensive attention on him. However, Imagination is not reality. Kobe had a fantastic season that year, but the fact remains that he wasn't even the best player on his team. He didnt do nearly as much heavy lifting as Wade did. I'm not saying Wade was significantly the better player, or had significantly the better year, I'm just saying he did have the better year, and not by a long shot.
Kobe was the reason why the Lakers made the finals that year.. Kobe dominated the western conference is far better than any Wade's competition in 2006.. I dont see any player that could duplicate Kobe's performance with that kind of competition maybe prime Jordan.. Wade would be a flopping bitch if he play against those Western team that Kobe dominated with ease.. Reminder, that version of Kobe was before his primes..

[fpliii]

Kobe was the reason why the Lakers made the finals that year.. Kobe dominated the western conference is far better than any Wade's competition in 2006.. I dont see any player that could duplicate Kobe's performance with that kind of competition maybe prime Jordan.. Wade would be a flopping bitch if he play against those Western team that Kobe dominated with ease.. Reminder, that version of Kobe was before his primes..

Okay pauk.

[aj1987]

That's pretty tough, especially when you had prime Shaq taking touches away from Kobe, while Wade was the top dog on the Heat.

Dude, in the regular season, Kobe took 22.2 shots per game compared to Shaq's 19.2. Kobe took 3 shots per game more than Shaq, while Shaq was hitting them at 57% and Kobe 46%. In the playoffs, Kobe took one shot more than Shaq per game, even though Shaq was more efficient than Kobe.

Seriously, though 22.2 shots per game is extremely high. Compare that to D. Wade's 18.8 and 19.2.

Also, why are people saying that Wade should've scored more? Wade was incredible and his team won. Why would he even needed to have score more than what he did? Also, he had a Walker chucking 3's on his team.

[tpols]

01 Kobe better defender, better rebounder, better scorer, better off ball player/facilitator, better shooter, better ball handler...

+stiffer WC competition
+all time great run/team(16-1)
+00-04 defensive era >>> post 06 rule change era


06 Wade better slasher/penetrator, better raw passer, better shotblocker, much much much better relationship with referees (100 FTs nuff said)

[WayOfWade]

Kobe was the reason why the Lakers made the finals that year.. Kobe dominated the western conference is far better than any Wade's competition in 2006.. I dont see any player that could duplicate Kobe's performance with that kind of competition maybe prime Jordan.. Wade would be a flopping bitch if he play against those Western team that Kobe dominated with ease.. Reminder, that version of Kobe was before his primes..
He was a reason, not THE reason the Lakers made the Finals that year. And as I've said before, I'm not saying Wade is the better player; heck, I'll even say Kobe was the better player between the 2. Wade just had the better overall year; he had better accolades, he was the clear-cut top dog, and he had a Finals Performance for the Ages.

[scm5]

Kobe in 01' was a defensive beast on top of his stats. Wade? Not so much.

People seem to forget that Wade's defense was criticized a lot until after the 08' Olympics.

The small difference in statistics don't make up for the difference in defense. Kobe was all over the place in 01'.

[fpliii]

He was a reason, not THE reason the Lakers made the Finals that year. And as I've said before, I'm not saying Wade is the better player; heck, I'll even say Kobe was the better player between the 2. Wade just had the better overall year; he had better accolades, he was the clear-cut top dog, and he had a Finals Performance for the Ages.

Dude you're arguing with a gimmick account.

[WayOfWade]

01 Kobe better defender, better rebounder, better scorer, better off ball player/facilitator, better shooter, better ball handler...

+stiffer WC competition
+all time great run/team(16-1)
+00-04 defensive era >>> post 06 rule change era


06 Wade better slasher/penetrator, better raw passer, better shotblocker, much much much better relationship with referees (100 FTs nuff said)
Also forgot to mention much more efficient than Kobe was, both in FG%, TS%, & PER. And why should the 100 FT's be a problem? Wade is a slasher, and the Mavs had no answer other than fouling him, I know cause' I've watched all the 06' Finals games. However as I've said before, my argument was never who the Better player was, it's who had the better year. 06' was Dwyane Wade's year, 01' was Kobe/Shaq's year.

[WayOfWade]

Dude you're arguing with a gimmick account.
Yeah, my semi-rage is sucking me in.

[TOLATE]

01 Kobe better defender, better rebounder, better scorer, better off ball player/facilitator, better shooter, better ball handler...

+stiffer WC competition
+all time great run/team(16-1)
+00-04 defensive era >>> post 06 rule change era


06 Wade better slasher/penetrator, better raw passer, better shotblocker, much much much better relationship with referees (100 FTs nuff said)

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[fpliii]

Yeah, my semi-rage is sucking me in.

As a fellow Wade stan just wanted to give you a heads up lol. You should avoid Jacks3 and that TheLegend24 poster as well. Not worth your time.

[tpols]

Also forgot to mention much more efficient than Kobe was, both in FG%, TS%, & PER. And why should the 100 FT's be a problem? Wade is a slasher, and the Mavs had no answer other than fouling him, I know cause' I've watched all the 06' Finals games. However as I've said before, my argument was never who the Better player was, it's who had the better year. 06' was Dwyane Wade's year, 01' was Kobe/Shaq's year.
Easier to be more efficient when youre getting to the line at the highest rate of all time besides prime hack a shaq. 06 rule changes made Wade's life 1000x easier because hes a slasher, and they made any contact whatsoever a foul call.

Also youre not factoring in competition. mid 2000s bulls, over the hill nets.. I give credit to Wade for that Detroit series(although 06 detroit wasnt close to 04 detroit for a ton of reasons I can list).. but by the same token Kobe always obliterates the Spurs, who had the best defense in the league in 01.

And then in the Finals Kobe faced a top ranked defense in the league, coached by larry brown same guy who coached 04 pistons, and on and off had the responsiblity of handling peak AI.. while Wade faced a cupcake Mavs defense, the same team Kobe dropped 63 on in three Qs thqat very year, and was given more than generous refereeing on top of it. Just dont see how if you examine context Wades can be seen as better.

[scm5]

Also forgot to mention much more efficient than Kobe was, both in FG%, TS%, & PER. And why should the 100 FT's be a problem? Wade is a slasher, and the Mavs had no answer other than fouling him, I know cause' I've watched all the 06' Finals games. However as I've said before, my argument was never who the Better player was, it's who had the better year. 06' was Dwyane Wade's year, 01' was Kobe/Shaq's year.

The FT's are a problem because people who have watched that series remember how lopsided the calls were. The phantom calls stuck with us.

Take away the phantom calls and he might not have won the title.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Close, but I'd take Kobe. Both are/were at a similar level as players, and both had similar seasons in that they had really great, memorable playoff runs that stood out far more than their regular seasons.

As players, they're very similar offensively. Kobe was the better shooter and had the more diverse skill set, though Wade improved his shooting that year and shot really well in the playoffs. But Wade was even better going to the basket, though not by that much with how athletic Kobe was back then and how aggressive he was attacking the basket in the playoffs, finishing over the twin towers ect. As playmakers, Wade did a better job in the regular season, but Kobe impressed me even more as a facilitator in the playoffs.

But Kobe was the better defender, which is the most clear advantage either player has, and the better rebounder as well. Wade had the better regular season, but I'm taking Kobe.

[Heavincent]

01 was arguably his best season, so give me Kobe.

[WayOfWade]

As a fellow Wade stan just wanted to give you a heads up lol. You should avoid Jacks3 and that TheLegend24 poster as well. Not worth your time.
Yeah I've noticed, thanks for the tip. Will rep when I'm able.

[KOBE143]

Dude you're arguing with a gimmick account.
Trying to be fair and bias to other poster so they can rep you, huh? Even it is Wade or LeBron stans you're against with.. :facepalm That wont work for me.. You're just a Lakers fan.. You dont know how it feel to be a Lakers fan and at the same time a real Kobe fan.. A real Kobe fans would never let their idol be compare with the likes of Wade.. I mean Dwayne Wade the flopping bitch, really? :facepalm

[scm5]

01 was arguably his best season, so give me Kobe.

It wasn't his best offensive statistical season, but overall, yes I agree with you. It could be considered his best season in terms of overall impact. In 01' he was amazing defensively which puts this season amongst the best of his.

[fpliii]

Trying to be fair and bias to other poster so they can rep you, huh? Even it is Wade or LeBron stans you're against with.. :facepalm That wont work for me.. You're just a Lakers fan.. You dont know how it feel to be a Lakers fan and at the same time a real Kobe fan.. A real Kobe fans would never let their idol be compare with the likes of Wade.. I mean Dwayne Wade the flopping bitch, really? :facepalm

I don't give a shit about rep, I'm just being honest. If you don't want people to think you're a gimmick account then stop trolling, or at least be more funny/creative about it.

I like Kobe too (one of my five favorite players), just prefer Wade since I sided with Shaq in that whole breakup fiasco. Both he and Kobe ended up being to blame in retrospect, but Shaq's my guy and I gravitated more towards Wade for that reason. But I'm not hating bro.

[fpliii]

01 was arguably his best season, so give me Kobe.

I think I'd go with 03 regular season, but 01 playoffs is one of his best (Spurs series was legendary). 09 and 08 playoffs (before the final couple of games) were great too.

[ShaqAttack3234]

01 was arguably his best season, so give me Kobe.

Eh, that's a real stretch to me. '08 was similar from an all around standpoint except he did it for an entire season and had a more diverse skill set.

I'd take Kobe's '03, '06, '07 and '09 as well. '01 playoffs were about as good of an all around game as I've seen Kobe play, but I'd say he wasn't even in his prime yet until '03.

[WayOfWade]

Trying to be fair and bias to other poster so they can rep you, huh? Even it is Wade or LeBron stans you're against with.. :facepalm That wont work for me.. You're just a Lakers fan.. You dont know how it feel to be a Lakers fan and at the same time a real Kobe fan.. A real Kobe fans would never let their idol be compare with the likes of Wade.. I mean Dwayne Wade the flopping bitch, really? :facepalm
Why is it so hard for you to accept that one of Wade's seasons happens to be just as good as one of Kobe's best? I'm not demeaning Kobe at all, he had a heck of a season, he was a better player than Wade in 06', I'm not hiding that fact at all. Wade just had the better year, be it with accolades, being the undisputed 1st option, and leading an underdog team with one of the Greatest Finals Performances ever. And please, flopping? Wade didn't really start that until 10'-11'ish. Not to mention your gawd Kobe isn't clear of flopping in his career either... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1104/nba.biggest.flopper/content.13.html

[Nash]

Wade's finals was so extremely impressive, you just can't look past that especially if the rest of the stats are the same. Also he didn't have 2001 monster Shaq so he was the 1st option.

[DMAVS41]

Pretty close imo, but I think 01 Kobe probably deserves the nod because he had a more complete game in my opinion and was better defensively.

[KOBE143]

I don't give a shot about rep, I'm just being honest. If you don't want people to think you're a gimmick account then stop trolling, or at least be more funny/creative about it.

I like Kobe too (one of my five favorite players), just prefer Wade since I sided with Shaq in that whole breakup fiasco. Both he and Kobe ended up being to blame in retrospect, but Shaq's my guy and I gravitated more towards Wade for that reason. But I'm not hating bro.
So all the trolls here are gimmick? :confusedshrug: If you think Im trolling then I guarantee you're wrong.. This is just me being me.. Im not even a bad poster why only me..:cry: Instead of arguing with your fellow Lakers fan, we should unite and fight the dark side aka the LeBron stans.. Their polluting this board with their LeBronism.. We must fight them bro!! We need your help.. :cheers:

[scm5]

Eh, that's a real stretch to me. '08 was similar from an all around standpoint except he did it for an entire season and had a more diverse skill set.

I'd take Kobe's '03, '06, '07 and '09 as well. '01 playoffs were about as good of an all around game as I've seen Kobe play, but I'd say he wasn't even in his prime yet until '03.

Offensively, Kobe was better in the years you listed. He was more controlled and could takeover games at will.

Defensively though, Kobe was amazing in 01' and that puts that season right there with the rest of them. The word that best describes Kobe in 01' was relentless. That's both sides of the court.

[fpliii]

So all the trolls here are gimmick? :confusedshrug: If you think Im trolling then I guarantee you're wrong.. This is just me being me.. Im not even a bad poster why only me..:cry: Instead of arguing with your fellow Lakers fan, we should unite and fight the dark side aka the LeBron stans.. Their polluting this board with their LeBronism.. We must fight them bro!! We need your help.. :cheers:

lol see this is a funny post, you should take lessons from Mr. Jabbar. There are guys on both sides who are tools, I just don't bother with them. I'm all for messing around a bit but for the most part I come here for legit basketball discussion. That's why I pick which threads I post in carefully.

[KOBE143]

Why is it so hard for you to accept that one of Wade's seasons happens to be just as good as one of Kobe's best? I'm not demeaning Kobe at all, he had a heck of a season, he was a better player than Wade in 06', I'm not hiding that fact at all. Wade just had the better year, be it with accolades, being the undisputed 1st option, and leading an underdog team with one of the Greatest Finals Performances ever. And please, flopping? Wade didn't really start that until 10'-11'ish. Not to mention your gawd Kobe isn't clear of flopping in his career either... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1104/nba.biggest.flopper/content.13.html
Simple

We dont like Wade and we dont like him to be compare to Kobe because he will never be as good as Kobe.. Its that really hard to get?:confusedshrug:

[KOBE143]

lol see this is a funny post, you should take lessons from Mr. Jabbar. There are guys on both sides who are tools, I just don't bother with them. I'm all for messing around a bit but for the most part I come here for legit basketball discussion. That's why I pick which threads I post in carefully.
Mr. Jabbar is my Master.. GOAT poster.. :bowdown:

[fpliii]

Mr. Jabbar is my Master.. GOAT poster.. :bowdown:

lol

:cheers:

[ShaqAttack3234]

Offensively, Kobe was better in the years you listed. He was more controlled and could takeover games at will.

Defensively though, Kobe was amazing in 01' and that puts that season right there with the rest of them. The word that best describes Kobe in 01' was relentless. That's both sides of the court.

Yeah, though he wasn't that far off defensively in '08. He really had a resurgent year. I'd say Kobe's best defensive season was 2000 followed by 2001, but I was impressed by Kobe committing to defense again in '08.

[WayOfWade]

Simple

We dont like Wade and we dont like him to be compare to Kobe because he will never be as good as Kobe.. Its that really hard to get?:confusedshrug:
I've made it clear that Wade is nowhere close to Kobe at all career wise. I don't care that you don't like Wade, but we are talking about who had the better singular season, and that was Wade. Is it really that hard to get? :confusedshrug:

[Haks]

Wade 2006 Finals is deffo up there as one of the greatest finals performance ever.
But kobe's entire Western Conference run was incredible to say the least too.
Stats against Portland - 25 ppg / 4.3 rpg / 7.7 apg / 2.3 spg / 56% TS
Stats against Sacramento - 35 ppg / 9rpg / 4.3 apg / 1.3 spg / 58% TS
Stats against San Antonio - 33 ppg / 7 rpg / 7 apg / 1.5 spg / .8 bpg / 57% TS
Overall stats - 31.6 ppg / 7 rpg / 6.2 apg / 1.6 spg / 57% TS
Portland - 50-32
Sacramento 55-27
San Antonio 58-24

[WayOfWade]

Wade 2006 Finals is deffo up there as one of the greatest finals performance ever.
But kobe's entire Western Conference run was incredible to say the least too.
Stats against Portland - 25 ppg / 4.3 rpg / 7.7 apg / 2.3 spg / 56% TS
Stats against Sacramento - 35 ppg / 9rpg / 4.3 apg / 1.3 spg / 58% TS
Stats against San Antonio - 33 ppg / 7 rpg / 7 apg / 1.5 spg / .8 bpg / 57% TS
Overall stats - 31.6 ppg / 7 rpg / 6.2 apg / 1.6 spg / 57% TS
Portland - 50-32
Sacramento 55-27
San Antonio 58-24
Both runs were absolutely insane, can't say it's a landslide either way.

[Trollsmasher]

Give me Wade who posted better stats than Kobe as the main focus of every single defensive play by the opponent over Kobe posting worse stats than Wade by shooting OPEN JUMPSHOTS and getting OPEN DRIVES into the lane from the triple teams on Shaq:confusedshrug:

[Jacks3]

Let's see. Kobe put up better numbers in a much better defensive era. He took better care of the ball. He did a better job rebouding. He played better defense. He scored on more on equal efficiency. His play-making/passing was better. He already possesed and displayed a greater skillset than Wade ever has. He put up those superior numbers against better competition on the best post-season team in history on of the best offenses in history. Yet his run is somehow not better/more impressive? Right.......

[WayOfWade]

Let's see. Kobe put up better numbers in a much better defensive era. He took better care of the ball. He did a better job rebouding. He played better defense. He scored on more on equal efficiency. His play-making/passing was better. He already possesed and displayed a greater skillset than Wade ever has. He put up those superior numbers against better competition on the best post-season team in history on of the best offenses in history. Yet his run is somehow not better/more impressive? Right.......
Let's see, Wade put up similar numbers on Superior Efficiency while being the main focus of the defense night in and night out. He put up astronomical numbers without any other player to take the pressure off of him, and proceeded to put up arguably the greatest finals performance of all-time. And Kobe's run is somehow better/more impressive? Right...

Stop acting like Kobe had it tough, with Shaq drawing double and triple teams, Kobe had it easier. Now Kobe's season was still remarkable as I've said numerous times before, he just didn't have as good a season as Wade.

[Solefade]

Lol @ Laker fans calling 2006 finals rigged

[secund2nun]

Wade easily. Wade's 2006 finals is miles better than any of Kobe's 7 finals performances. Also 2002 Kobe had prime Shaq taking up triple teams, while 2006 Wade had Shaq who was still elite but not nowhere near prime Shaq.

[crisoner]

Wade easily. Wade's 2006 finals is miles better than any of Kobe's 7 finals performances. Also 2002 Kobe had prime Shaq taking up triple teams, while 2006 Wade had Shaq who was still elite but not nowhere near prime Shaq.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Just stop the bullsh*t now please.

[TonyMontana]

Both won a title, so heres what it comes down to.

You can replace Kobe with Wade and the Lakers still win the title(easily).

But you can't replace Wade with Kobe and the Heat win a title. Wade had the best Finals of any player ever and Miami needed every bit of it to win.

[Jacks3]

Let's see. Kobe put up better numbers in a much better defensive era. He took better care of the ball. He did a better job rebouding. He played better defense. He scored on more on equal efficiency. His play-making/passing was better. He already possesed and displayed a greater skillset than Wade ever has. He put up those superior numbers against better competition on the best post-season team in history on of the best offenses in history. Yet his run is somehow not better/more impressive? Right.......

To add...

League average TS%

2001: 51.8%
2006: 53.5%

Better numbers in a much tougher defensive era.

Kobe easily.

[WayOfWade]

To add...

League average TS%

2001: 51.8%
2006: 53.5%

Better numbers in a much tougher defensive era.

Kobe easily.
It's obvious you're not budging, and I'm not either. Agree to disagree, that's all there is.

[Scholar]

Why is it so hard for you to accept that one of Wade's seasons happens to be just as good as one of Kobe's best? I'm not demeaning Kobe at all, he had a heck of a season, he was a better player than Wade in 06', I'm not hiding that fact at all. Wade just had the better year, be it with accolades, being the undisputed 1st option, and leading an underdog team with one of the Greatest Finals Performances ever. And please, flopping? Wade didn't really start that until 10'-11'ish. Not to mention your gawd Kobe isn't clear of flopping in his career either... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1104/nba.biggest.flopper/content.13.html

This isn't a post aimed at me, but I'll answer to it because I've come to terms with the fact that there are only about 3-4 Lakers fans on this site who will look at basketball subjectively instead of like homers, and two of those 3-4 are fpliii and myself.

First and foremost, the reason it's so difficult for these Kobe stans to come to terms w/ the fact that one of Wade's seasons was just as good as one of Kobe's is the same reason why they refuse to call LeBron the best bball player in the world today. They refuse to accept that Kobe isn't the undisputed most elite baller of all-time. Just learn to avoid these guys on here. They're the reason why most people w/ LAL avys are never taken seriously.

Wade actually had two seasons where I'd argue he was just as good, if not better, than Kobe: 2006 & 2009. It's just too bad the Heat didn't have a proper group of players to accompany Wade in '09 because that was possibly the best season I've seen from any one player outside of Kobe's 2006 year.

I know earlier in the thread I suggested that the 2006 Finals were rigged. I still believe that because just like you, I watched every game, too. I think the refs called fouls that weren't really there because the NBA needed a new superstar to draw fans & Wade was the perfect guy to do it. He had absolutely 0 character flaws until the media turned on him in 2011, as though it's Dwyane's fault that he's such an elite player that LBJ wanted to team up with him.

Wade's performance in the 2006 Finals = greatest since Shaq's performance in 2000. Anyone who disputes that is an idiot. The whole "rigged Finals" argument can't even be blamed on Wade. Did he ask for those calls? Nope. He slashed to the basket & it just so happens that the refs were trained to blow their whistles whenever he jumped towards the hoop. You can't fault Dwyane for that. He just played his game.

And lastly, I'll admit you've changed my view for the argument in this thread. Wade 06 > Kobe 01. Why? Because I suppose I wasn't actually considering the fact that Kobe's 28 PPG came easier with so much attention being drawn to Shaq. Wade's Finals performance was phenomenal because he outperforme the competition in both offense & defense. I don't think any player in NBA history added to that Mavs' roster could've stopped a young, healthy Wade from cutting to the basket so much.

There. Happy now? Wade was better in 2006 than Kobe was in 2001. What Wade did can't be duplicated. Yeah, I said it. He took old ass players, like Shaq, Alonzo, GP, JWill, etc., to the f*cking NBA Finals. I'm not going to debate whether or not 2001 Kobe could've done the same, but I will say that Wade's 2006 year is highly underrated. Only dumbasses actually argue that he had it easy. I don't think I've ever seen so much attention put on one player for an entire series since Shaq in his LAL days. The Mavs' entire defense was based on what Wade would do next, & for the most part, they just never got it right.

[WayOfWade]

This isn't a post aimed at me, but I'll answer to it because I've come to terms with the fact that there are only about 3-4 Lakers fans on this site who will look at basketball subjectively instead of like homers, and two of those 3-4 are fpliii and myself.

First and foremost, the reason it's so difficult for these Kobe stans to come to terms w/ the fact that one of Wade's seasons was just as good as one of Kobe's is the same reason why they refuse to call LeBron the best bball player in the world today. They refuse to accept that Kobe isn't the undisputed most elite baller of all-time. Just learn to avoid these guys on here. They're the reason why most people w/ LAL avys are never taken seriously.

Wade actually had two seasons where I'd argue he was just as good, if not better, than Kobe: 2006 & 2009. It's just too bad the Heat didn't have a proper group of players to accompany Wade in '09 because that was possibly the best season I've seen from any one player outside of Kobe's 2006 year.

I know earlier in the thread I suggested that the 2006 Finals were rigged. I still believe that because just like you, I watched every game, too. I think the refs called fouls that weren't really there because the NBA needed a new superstar to draw fans & Wade was the perfect guy to do it. He had absolutely 0 character flaws until the media turned on him in 2011, as though it's Dwyane's fault that he's such an elite player that LBJ wanted to team up with him.

Wade's performance in the 2006 Finals = greatest since Shaq's performance in 2000. Anyone who disputes that is an idiot. The whole "rigged Finals" argument can't even be blamed on Wade. Did he ask for those calls? Nope. He slashed to the basket & it just so happens that the refs were trained to blow their whistles whenever he jumped towards the hoop. You can't fault Dwyane for that. He just played his game.

And lastly, I'll admit you've changed my view for the argument in this thread. Wade 06 > Kobe 01. Why? Because I suppose I wasn't actually considering the fact that Kobe's 28 PPG came easier with so much attention being drawn to Shaq. Wade's Finals performance was phenomenal because he outperforme the competition in both offense & defense. I don't think any player in NBA history added to that Mavs' roster could've stopped a young, healthy Wade from cutting to the basket so much.

There. Happy now? Wade was better in 2006 than Kobe was in 2001. What Wade did can't be duplicated. Yeah, I said it. He took old ass players, like Shaq, Alonzo, GP, JWill, etc., to the f*cking NBA Finals. I'm not going to debate whether or not 2001 Kobe could've done the same, but I will say that Wade's 2006 year is highly underrated. Only dumbasses actually argue that he had it easy. I don't think I've ever seen so much attention put on one player for an entire series since Shaq in his LAL days. The Mavs' entire defense was based on what Wade would do next, & for the most part, they just never got it right.
Wow, this is one of the few encounters I'll ever have with a sensible Lakers fan. Kudos to you for looking at this subjectively. Still though, I had no idea how incredible Kobe's 01' season was until this thread. I was absolutely stunned by how well he performed. You learn something new everyday.

[plowking]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Just stop the bullsh*t now please.

Which bit was bullshit exactly?

[aj1987]

This isn't a post aimed at me, but I'll answer to it because I've come to terms with the fact that there are only about 3-4 Lakers fans on this site who will look at basketball subjectively instead of like homers, and two of those 3-4 are fpliii and myself.

First and foremost, the reason it's so difficult for these Kobe stans to come to terms w/ the fact that one of Wade's seasons was just as good as one of Kobe's is the same reason why they refuse to call LeBron the best bball player in the world today. They refuse to accept that Kobe isn't the undisputed most elite baller of all-time. Just learn to avoid these guys on here. They're the reason why most people w/ LAL avys are never taken seriously.

Wade actually had two seasons where I'd argue he was just as good, if not better, than Kobe: 2006 & 2009. It's just too bad the Heat didn't have a proper group of players to accompany Wade in '09 because that was possibly the best season I've seen from any one player outside of Kobe's 2006 year.

I know earlier in the thread I suggested that the 2006 Finals were rigged. I still believe that because just like you, I watched every game, too. I think the refs called fouls that weren't really there because the NBA needed a new superstar to draw fans & Wade was the perfect guy to do it. He had absolutely 0 character flaws until the media turned on him in 2011, as though it's Dwyane's fault that he's such an elite player that LBJ wanted to team up with him.

Wade's performance in the 2006 Finals = greatest since Shaq's performance in 2000. Anyone who disputes that is an idiot. The whole "rigged Finals" argument can't even be blamed on Wade. Did he ask for those calls? Nope. He slashed to the basket & it just so happens that the refs were trained to blow their whistles whenever he jumped towards the hoop. You can't fault Dwyane for that. He just played his game.

And lastly, I'll admit you've changed my view for the argument in this thread. Wade 06 > Kobe 01. Why? Because I suppose I wasn't actually considering the fact that Kobe's 28 PPG came easier with so much attention being drawn to Shaq. Wade's Finals performance was phenomenal because he outperforme the competition in both offense & defense. I don't think any player in NBA history added to that Mavs' roster could've stopped a young, healthy Wade from cutting to the basket so much.

There. Happy now? Wade was better in 2006 than Kobe was in 2001. What Wade did can't be duplicated. Yeah, I said it. He took old ass players, like Shaq, Alonzo, GP, JWill, etc., to the f*cking NBA Finals. I'm not going to debate whether or not 2001 Kobe could've done the same, but I will say that Wade's 2006 year is highly underrated. Only dumbasses actually argue that he had it easy. I don't think I've ever seen so much attention put on one player for an entire series since Shaq in his LAL days. The Mavs' entire defense was based on what Wade would do next, & for the most part, they just never got it right.
:applause:

[ShaqAttack3234]

The Mavs' entire defense was based on what Wade would do next, & for the most part, they just never got it right.

This isn't true. The Mavs focused on doubling Shaq most of the series, often doubling on the catch, until game 5 or so when they shifted their focus to Wade since he was killing them.

[Jacks3]

Kobe 2001 was a better basketball player than Wade has ever been.

Better scorer than Wade ever was.
More skilled than Wade ever was.
Better defender than any version of Wade.
Better rebounder than any version of Wade.
Better play-maker/creator.
Took better care of the ball.


All at age 22. Extraordinarily.

[secund2nun]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Just stop the bullsh*t now please.

It's true. Pick Kobe's best finals performance and none of them will match up against Wade's 06 finals.

Compare it, I dare you.

[chazzy]

Give me Wade who posted better stats than Kobe as the main focus of every single defensive play by the opponent over Kobe posting worse stats than Wade by shooting OPEN JUMPSHOTS and getting OPEN DRIVES into the lane from the triple teams on Shaq:confusedshrug:
Make it more obvious you weren't watching the sport at that time

[alleykat]

2001 Mamba put up those numbers wearing 2 of the ugliest shoes ever made, the kobe1 and the kobe 2....

so ya...2001 mamba easily..