If you guys can make over 100k, 3 weeks of work....

[9erempiree]

If you can make 100k annually and only work 3 weeks out of the month, would you do it?

I have been given a chance to do this, work 14 days straight and 7 days off. Rinse and repeat. I love the idea of traveling on my week off and being able to afford anything and anytime I want but it's hard work.

Would yo do it?

-OR-

9 to 5 office job that makes 50k annually, Monday to Friday, weekends/holidays off only.

[ItsMillerTime]

Is this a serious question?

[ihatetimthomas]

100k > 50k so yeah easy decision

[Bucket_Nakedz]

id take that 2 weeks on and 1 week off for 40 gs @ year

[9erempiree]

Before people say it's a no-brainer. I forgot to mention 60-100 hour work weeks. I have to re-locate too.

Basically starting over. Leaving my life behind and going somewhere that's probably similar to jail except you get paid.

[Jameerthefear]

:biggums:

[ihatetimthomas]

Well did you enjoy what you were doing for work? Will you enjoy what you do to make 100k? What is your quality of life going to be? Is it long term? Is your current life great? Will you lose a lot if you leave?

You gotta consider all these things because your job is what you do for the majority of your life. And if it is hell then you have to consider taking less if you are happier. I know a lot of people who made good money but hated their careers and it ate them up inside.

[Bucket_Nakedz]

Before people say it's a no-brainer. I forgot to mention 60-100 hour work weeks. I have to re-locate too.

Basically starting over. Leaving my life behind and going somewhere that's probably similar to jail except you get paid.
how do you think i ended up here in alaska :D

i had a slope job for almost 2 and half years and just couldn't take it. luckily my mom and sister were here in anchorage, so i just up and left

[DCL]

depends on what the hell the job is first :confusedshrug:

[9erempiree]

Well did you enjoy what you were doing for work? Will you enjoy what you do to make 100k? What is your quality of life going to be? Is it long term? Is your current life great? Will you lose a lot if you leave?

You gotta consider all these things because your job is what you do for the majority of your life. And if it is hell then you have to consider taking less if you are happier. I know a lot of people who made good money but hated their careers and it ate them up inside.

Will be in the oil fields of West Texas. Not what I really want to do or related to my career but it's good money and will be able to travel.

Like I said, 60-100 hour weeks, in a part of Texas where nothing is going on. A population of 200k at most.

There's a lot to consider.

[intrinsic]

I'm 35 now with a much greater value of time than money. No.

10 years ago? Yes. Easily. 100k would've gone a long way to establishing my independence.

[IGOTGAME]

Before people say it's a no-brainer. I forgot to mention 60-100 hour work weeks. I have to re-locate too.

Basically starting over. Leaving my life behind and going somewhere that's probably similar to jail except you get paid.
I have a friend that is doing this. It is killing his marriage. But money is great though.

Is it something related to oil?

I don't quite think he works 100 hours a week though. That seems impossible two 2 week stints. I've done 80 hours a week, not including lunches, and colleagues started getting sick and shit. IMO an extra 20 hours isn't safe for many people.

Personally I wouldn't do it. Before my current job I had the option of working anywhere between 50-80 hours per week but it was a flat rate of 35 dollars per hour. It was there when I started to understand how much I valued my time and relationships.

[9erempiree]

I'm 35 now with a much greater value of time than money. No.

10 years ago? Yes. Easily. 100k would've gone a long way to establishing my independence.

They say those hours working are time lost at the oil fields.

This is basically the office:
http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20130228&t=2&i=708173928&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CBRE91R0A6E00

[Myth]

I have a friend who has a job that is 9-10 hours per day, 30-40 days in a row. He gets paid well, it involves a lot of walking outside, and then he gets 2 weeks off and his company pays for him to fly anywhere in the continental United States during that break (not unlimited flights, just 1 flight away and 1 flight back per break). He loves it, but doesn't plan on doing it for life.

[BrooklynZoo]

depends what you are doing/making now

[IGOTGAME]

I have a friend who has a job that is 9-10 hours per day, 30-40 days in a row. He gets paid well, it involves a lot of walking outside, and then he gets 2 weeks off and his company pays for him to fly anywhere in the continental United States during that break (not unlimited flights, just 1 flight away and 1 flight back per break). He loves it, but doesn't plan on doing it for life.

That is a sweet gig. I would do that in a heart beat. 10 hour days are nothing if you start early. Just 8-6:30.

[johndeeregreen]

I do this already, except I work 15 on and 6 off. It's not for everybody, but I enjoy the work and the schedule.

[DCL]

i know some people who tried the oil thing, but they were in south dakota.

they hated it. hope you go with a positive mindset.

[IGOTGAME]

Op, just don't waste your money on strippers and save as much as possible.

[johndeeregreen]

Will be in the oil fields of West Texas. Not what I really want to do or related to my career but it's good money and will be able to travel.

Like I said, 60-100 hour weeks, in a part of Texas where nothing is going on. A population of 200k at most.

There's a lot to consider.
I've worked in Midland/Odessa area before, fracing. It's not "like jail," but yeah, for the days you are on, they basically own you. The hours can be crazy, to an unsafe level actually, but it is what it is. Very very hot in the summer time obviously. What profession are you looking at getting into?

One thing I can guarantee you is that if you hate what you're doing you will NOT last and it's not something you should even consider. If you don't have an interest in what you're doing, it's going to eat you up. Since you're already viewing it as "like jail" it sounds like you're going to be unhappy. If you're working oilfield you spend WAY too much time at work for you to be able to succeed even if you hate it.

I'm not saying don't try it, but I am saying that if you think you're gonna be able to hack it hating your life for 2 weeks at a time in exchange for the cash, you're wrong. It's not gonna work.

[JohnnySic]

I'd do it @ 70 hours per week tops. 100 hours? Fukk that. They'd better be paying more than 100K to sacrifice my physical and mental health.

[9erempiree]

I've worked in Midland/Odessa area before, fracing. It's not "like jail," but yeah, for the days you are on, they basically own you. The hours can be crazy, to an unsafe level actually, but it is what it is. Very very hot in the summer time obviously. What profession are you looking at getting into?

One thing I can guarantee you is that if you hate what you're doing you will NOT last and it's not something you should even consider. If you don't have an interest in what you're doing, it's going to eat you up. Since you're already viewing it as "like jail" it sounds like you're going to be unhappy. If you're working oilfield you spend WAY too much time at work for you to be able to succeed even if you hate it.

I'm not saying don't try it, but I am saying that if you think you're gonna be able to hack it hating your life for 2 weeks at a time in exchange for the cash, you're wrong. It's not gonna work.

That's exactly where it's at. I'm an extrovert and I spend times after work in places socializing and yacking it up with people or even at work.

The money is what I'm excited for. That's what keeps me leaning towards to doing it.

How is your life outside of work? Days off? Off of work?

[johndeeregreen]

BTW OP, the pic you posted was of a frac site. If you're going fracing, you will NOT make 100k/year your first year no matter what they tell you.

[OldSkoolball#52]

They say those hours working are time lost at the oil fields.

This is basically the office:
http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20130228&t=2&i=708173928&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CBRE91R0A6E00


OP, I just moved to Houston and have been internally debating this same exact thing for the last few weeks.

Hit me up with a PM if you decide to do it, and it may influence my own decision, as we may thusly pass the time in the fields debating Kobe vs. Lebron, whilst our redneck Texan coworkers chide us for watching negroes throw a ball around and debating which one does it best.

[intrinsic]

They say those hours working are time lost at the oil fields.

This is basically the office:
http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20130228&t=2&i=708173928&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CBRE91R0A6E00

Do you need the money? You said it would be nice, but do you need it?
Would you be passing on other opportunities towards the career you want?

[9erempiree]

BTW OP, the pic you posted was of a frac site. If you're going fracing, you will NOT make 100k/year your first year no matter what they tell you.

Yes, they frac, you ever heard of Trican?

Don't know what position I will exactly.

Maybe you can give me more insight.

[johndeeregreen]

That's exactly where it's at. I'm an extrovert and I spend times after work in places socializing and yacking it up with people or even at work.
If you're working on a crew odds are good you will develop friendships and a lot of camaraderie with the guys you're working with as long as you go into it with the right attitude. That attitude is, keep your mouth shut, your head down, bust your ass, and learn as much as possible. The universal currency to being liked in the oilfield is work ethic.


The money is what I'm excited for. That's what keeps me leaning towards to doing it.
The money's good but don't get carried away. A lot of the industry can be bonus-based depending on time you spend in the field. I'm on pace to make $100k+ this year but my salary is less than half of that. The rest is bonus you make for completing jobs in the field. So obviously, if you have a slow year, you're making a lot less. The money isn't a guarantee, don't be fooled.


How is your life outside of work? Days off? Off of work?
The biggest problem is doing things with your friends who don't work the same schedule. Right now I start on Wednesdays, work 15, and am off for 6, so that means I'm off Thursday-Tuesdays. So what ends up happening is that you spend a lot of time outside of work with guys you work with, because you don't have the same schedule and off days as everyone else. That said, 6 days off at a time allows you to basically vacation whenever you want. So that aspect is nice.

One other thing you may want to consider, getting on a frac crew, for instance, there is a career to be made there if you want it. After about 10 years you can get out of the field if you want as well and work a more normal schedule.

Again, what part of the industry are you looking at getting into? There are thousands of different jobs with different pay scales in the patch.

[9erempiree]

OP, I just moved to Houston and have been internally debating this same exact thing for the last few weeks.

Hit me up with a PM if you decide to do it, and it may influence my own decision, as we may thusly pass the time in the fields debating Kobe vs. Lebron, whilst our redneck Texan coworkers chide us for watching negroes throw a ball around and debating which one does it best.

I don't have a problem with that. It's not going to happen till Mid October or early November if I decide to do it.

You know to find me here.

[johndeeregreen]

Yes, they frac, you ever heard of Trican?

Don't know what position I will exactly.

Maybe you can give me more insight.
Trican is a big one up here. I'm in central Alberta, but yeah, they're one of the bigger dogs around here. In our industrial park there is Calfrac, Baker, Schlumnberger, Trican, Halliburton, Sanjel, Canyon... the list goes on.

Do you have your CDL? You will need that. Once you have a commercial license and can drive trucks you will start off on the iron truck. To explain your responsibilities without you having been on a site is a little difficult. It's something you need to see for yourself.

And like I said, unless you are absolutely BALLS TO THE WALL, I can't picture any situation where an iron skinner would make $100k a year.

[9erempiree]

If you're working on a crew odds are good you will develop friendships and a lot of camaraderie with the guys you're working with as long as you go into it with the right attitude. That attitude is, keep your mouth shut, your head down, bust your ass, and learn as much as possible. The universal currency to being liked in the oilfield is work ethic.


The money's good but don't get carried away. A lot of the industry can be bonus-based depending on time you spend in the field. I'm on pace to make $100k+ this year but my salary is less than half of that. The rest is bonus you make for completing jobs in the field. So obviously, if you have a slow year, you're making a lot less. The money isn't a guarantee, don't be fooled.


The biggest problem is doing things with your friends who don't work the same schedule. Right now I start on Wednesdays, work 15, and am off for 6, so that means I'm off Thursday-Tuesdays. So what ends up happening is that you spend a lot of time outside of work with guys you work with, because you don't have the same schedule and off days as everyone else. That said, 6 days off at a time allows you to basically vacation whenever you want. So that aspect is nice.

One other thing you may want to consider, getting on a frac crew, for instance, there is a career to be made there if you want it. After about 10 years you can get out of the field if you want as well and work a more normal schedule.

Again, what part of the industry are you looking at getting into? There are thousands of different jobs with different pay scales in the patch.

What are typical positions on a Frac well? What is an entry level position>?

[johndeeregreen]

What are typical positions on a Frac well? What is an entry level position>?
Frac crew.

Entry level is Iron truck:
http://charltonandhill.com/welding/images/gallery/ironSupportUnitWithRemoveableIronRacks-TruckTridem.jpg

That iron is what you'll bang together on location to connect your pumps to the wellhead. Iron skinners are responsible from driving, maintaining that truck, making sure you got all the tools you're gonna need, sprays, lubricants, grease, hammers, etc. and your biggest job is being johnny on the spot on rig ins, packing iron, and swinging hammers. During the job you'll likely be helping on sand, which is a dusty, dirty, hot (or cold) job.

http://www.msi-sa.biz/imgproducts/qi300_field.jpg

This is a pretty ugly looking way to tie in your pumps to your main pumping line, but ya. Each of those collars (wings) need to be threaded on the other piece and hammered tight with a sledgehammer. You're looking at the ass end of some frac pumps. The hoses are where they take slurry (your water, chem, and sand mix) on from the blender (truck that has the radioactive placard), and the iron is where it gets pumped out and towards the wellhead.

Until you understand what's going on out there, explaining the hierarchy isn't going to help you much.

[Myth]

I may live in Ireland, and I may only be in 8th grade, but tell him I'll be ready to take his job whenever he decides to quit :oldlol:

:lol

I think the only reason he wouldn't do it forever is because of not being able to have a stable relationship due to him not choosing where he will be and living out of motels (also paid for by the company, so he doesn't pay any rent).

[niko]

My friend works looking for oil in Japan for a Russian oil company. He travels around the world. He's been in two helicopter accidents and a boat that almost sunk and pretty much almost died a few times. Huge money but at the mercy of where they send you and the occassional dangerous moments aren't quite as easy to ignore as they were before he had a wife and kids.

[KevinNYC]

They say those hours working are time lost at the oil fields.

This is basically the office:
http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20130228&t=2&i=708173928&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CBRE91R0A6E00

I work the rigs from 3 to midnight
on the Corpus Christi Bay
get off and drink to daylight
sleep my mornings away

I had a plan to take my wages
leave these rigs behind for good
but this life, it's contagious
and get's down in your blood.

If I could live my life all over
it wouldn't matter anyway
I could never stay sober
on Corpus Christi Bay.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Jdg what is it that keeps you dedicated amidst the drudgery? You said its work one shouldnt do if they hate it... but I cant imagine anyone really LOVES it. Is there a position you are hopin to work up to? A financial goal you stay focused on to keep your spirits up? What has kept you going doin this kind of work as long as you have?

[johndeeregreen]

Huge money but at the mercy of where they send you and the occassional dangerous moments aren't quite as easy to ignore as they were before he had a wife and kids.
Good point that's often overlooked. One thing I can speak to, from having worked in Canada and Texas, is that it's not even comparable in terms of safety measures taken. Safety does not exist in Texas. A couple of guys from my crew refused to go back down there. Pressure pumping is an extremely dangerous animal if you don't respect it.

[johndeeregreen]

Jdg what is it that keeps you dedicated amidst the drudgery? You said its work one shouldnt do if they hate it... but I cant imagine anyone really LOVES it.
If you've never been out there, then of course you can't imagine someone enjoying it, because you have no idea what it's all about.


Is there a position you are hopin to work up to? A financial goal you stay focused on to keep your spirits up? What has kept you going doin this kind of work as long as you have?
I'm working my way up the ladder, eventually I want to be a frac supervisor, but that's still 5+ years in the future. I'm making good money doing something I certainly don't hate, so it's not difficult to keep my spirits up. There are shitty aspects to it, for sure, but on the whole I don't mind it. I've learned a ton of shit I otherwise wouldn't have known, about vehicle maintenance especially.

Until you're out there, you'll never know if it's for you or not. I surprised the hell out of myself.

[OldSkoolball#52]

I work the rigs from 3 to midnight
on the Corpus Christi Bay
get off and drink to daylight
sleep my mornings away

I had a plan to take my wages
leave these rigs behind for good
but this life, it's contagious
and get's down in your blood.

If I could live my life all over
it wouldn't matter anyway
I could never stay sober
on Corpus Christi Bay.



Nah this didnt really happen. Youre on welfare and everyone knows it.

[johndeeregreen]

Hard at work:

http://oi42.tinypic.com/18md00.jpg

[OldSkoolball#52]

Do you have your CDL? You will need that. Once you have a commercial license and can drive trucks you will start off on the iron truck. To explain your responsibilities without you having been on a site is a little difficult. It's something you need to see for yourself.

And like I said, unless you are absolutely BALLS TO THE WALL, I can't picture any situation where an iron skinner would make $100k a year.


Do you have to have a spotless driving record to get a CDL? If you cant get one, does that eliminate you from a lot of potential jobs?

[nathanjizzle]

21 days of straight work for 100k. that shit is a dream. :facepalm . some of you need to get out of your moms basement and learn what its like to work hard.

[johndeeregreen]

Do you have to have a spotless driving record to get a CDL? If you cant get one, does that eliminate you from a lot of potential jobs?
I don't think it needs to be spotless but obviously it can't be garbage. And it depends what you wanna do - a lot of jobs in the oilfield don't require a CDL, drilling or running tools for instance. But the well servicing aspect, fracing, cementing, coiled tubing, service rigs, wellhead isolation, wireline, and obviously water/sand/fuel transport, those would all require a commercial license, yes. OP would have no choice but to get a CDL if he wanted to go fracing.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Hard at work:

http://oi42.tinypic.com/18md00.jpg


Man points :bowdown:


Unlike Kevinnyc who's a welfare bitch

[johndeeregreen]

21 days of straight work for 100k. that shit is a dream. :facepalm . some of you need to get out of your moms basement and learn what its like to work hard.
Actually it's only 15 days straight of work. It's a 21 day rotation, 15 days on, 6 off.

[IGOTGAME]

Jdr, where do you go to look for jobs in oil fields? I assume they aren't on monster.com?

[johndeeregreen]

Jdr, where do you go to look for jobs in oil fields? I assume they aren't on monster.com?
Good question. I originally hooked up with this company through my step dad. What part of the country do you live in?

[IGOTGAME]

Good question. I originally hooked up with this company through my step dad. What part of the country do you live in?
I live in the northeast, but it wouldn't be for me. it seems like something that would be ideal for my brother no lives in southern New Jersey. Only thing is he has a record that should be expunged soon.

[johndeeregreen]

I live in the northeast, but it wouldn't be for me. it seems like something that would be ideal for my brother no lives in southern New Jersey.
Well I know PA is a hotbed. There has gotta be places if you google "Pennsylvania oilfield jobs" and whatnot. You can also just google oil companies or oilfield service companies in PA and check out their job postings on their sites. There is so much opportunity out there but it can be hard to find online.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Another question, JDG:

What do the single dudes on site do to... you know... take care of dem needs. Are there women around those areas lookin for guys to hookup with? Do you gotta just wait until your break rotation and then go chase dimes wherever you travel to?

There best not be any nonsense that would make Chris Bosh proud goin on, if ya dig...

[johndeeregreen]

Another question, JDG:

What do the single dudes on site do to... you know... take care of dem needs. Are there women around those areas lookin for guys to hookup with? Do you gotta just wait until your break rotation and then go chase dimes wherever you travel to?

There best not be any nonsense that would make Chris Bosh proud goin on, if ya dig...
Depends. Fracing, unless you're staying in camp, you're back in the hotel every night so you're free to do whatever you want within reason of course. Around central AB we do plenty of jobs local enough where we actually come home at night. If you wanna go chase tail go for it, just don't do anything that would embarrass the company or not be fit for duty the next morning.

[IGOTGAME]

Strippers do pretty well out there. There are several articles saying they are pulling 200-300k

http://www.businessinsider.com/williston-north-dakota-oil-boomtown-high-paying-stripper-demand-2013-1?op=1

[johndeeregreen]

Williston is just on a different level from anywhere else right now, in terms of how much it's blown up.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Bullshit, you sew a bunch of bedsheets together and hang em all over the place.


Dude was BSing that whole thing.


He sits at home all day milking disability pay he no longer needs. He admitted it some time back. Dudes like 40, too. Definition of a loser.

[rezznor]

If you can make 100k annually and only work 3 weeks out of the month, would you do it?

I have been given a chance to do this, work 14 days straight and 7 days off. Rinse and repeat. I love the idea of traveling on my week off and being able to afford anything and anytime I want but it's hard work.

Would yo do it?

-OR-

9 to 5 office job that makes 50k annually, Monday to Friday, weekends/holidays off only.
I have friends who do this, it's not bad

[NuggetsFan]

I've debated doing something similar. Lot of my buddies/guys I know go out to Alberta and work in the camps. I'm not sure if it's fracing but work schedule seems similar and while they don't make 100k, you make good coin and they pay your boarding so you take home all of it. Seems like a good idea in theory but alot of the people I know that do it leave pretty quickly, or do it for a year than quit.

Get a laptop and subscribe to all the sports packages, not sure if you could follow sports out there. If you start at 530-6 in the morning, should be good by 7-8. Do it for a year or two and bank all that cashola than return to your current life :confusedshrug: .. whenever I've thought about it that was my thinking. Sacrifice a year of your life to get ahead, I have no idea if that's plausible with fracing tho. I know a guy who did surveying on a camp and whenever he wasn't working would watch movies on his laptop. Came back and put a down payment on a house.

[OldSkoolball#52]

It's funny how there's a thread right here talking about jobs that pay 50-100k, and are just waiting to be filled by any able bodied person if they're willing to put in the effort and make the sacrifice, and meanwhile there is a thread on the same page where a separate group of people throwing hissy fits because the minimum wage isn't high enough and its making them cry like little girls.

Just goes to show you, people see what they wanna see.

[johndeeregreen]

It's funny how there's a thread right here talking about jobs that pay 50-100k, which essentially anyone can obtain if they put in the effort and make the sacrifice, and meanwhile there is a thread on the same page where a separate group of people throwing hissy fits because the minimum wage isn't high enough and its making them cry like little girls.

Just goes to show you, people see what they wanna see.
Yup. People wanna make lots of money, but only on their terms.

[NuggetsFan]

Yup. People wanna make lots of money, but only on their terms.

Seen you say you were in Alberta, in those camps how realistic would it be for you to follow sports? Guess with the 15 days straight, you'd be missing football on Sundays. NHL/NBA seem doable.

I dunno, I'd need something to keep my mind straight. I'd want to save my money up too, so wouldn't want to do much travelling on the days off.

[johndeeregreen]

Seen you say you were in Alberta, in those camps how realistic would it be for you to follow sports? Guess with the 15 days straight, you'd be missing football on Sundays. NHL/NBA seem doable.

I dunno, I'd need something to keep my mind straight. I'd want to save my money up too, so wouldn't want to do much travelling on the days off.
I don't know, we don't stay in camp very often, but when we do they generally have Wifi. Almost always in hotels when we're on the road. And honestly, we're up at 4:30, back to the hotel anywhere from 8-9, and that's before you shower, eat, get lunch for the next day. So by the time you're squared away it's 10-10:30 and you're up in 6 hours. Watching sports is not a priority.

[BrooklynZoo]

Seen you say you were in Alberta, in those camps how realistic would it be for you to follow sports? Guess with the 15 days straight, you'd be missing football on Sundays. NHL/NBA seem doable.

I dunno, I'd need something to keep my mind straight. I'd want to save my money up too, so wouldn't want to do much travelling on the days off.

do Canadians watch the NFL? lol

[BrooklynZoo]

I don't know, we don't stay in camp very often, but when we do they generally have Wifi. Almost always in hotels when we're on the road. And honestly, we're up at 4:30, back to the hotel anywhere from 8-9, and that's before you shower, eat, get lunch for the next day. So by the time you're squared away it's 10-10:30 and you're up in 6 hours. Watching sports is not a priority.

huh? up at 4:30am and back home at 9pm? Damn thats 16.5 hrs... How long are your work days?

[NuggetsFan]

do Canadians watch the NFL? lol

Yeah :lol

Yeah I guess sports wouldn't be a priority, I'd deff just need something to keep me leveled out working all those hours. Probably why I'll never do it :oldlol:

[johndeeregreen]

On location for 12 hours at a time. So let's say an hour for commuting, you're leaving the hotel at 5:30, so theoretically you could sleep til 5 but then you're probably not gonna get breakfast, or if you do, gonna hurry it down. Then on location at 6:30. Do 12 hours on location, then commute an hour back to town, that's 7:30-8 ish. Plenty of times, however, your drive is longer than an hour and then that's where it starts to get a little stupid.

When I was in Texas, the days were much longer than that. As in, putting 12 hours on location, 2 hours back to hotel, and then leaving to go back to location 4 hours later.

[NuggetsFan]

On location for 12 hours at a time. So let's say an hour for commuting, you're leaving the hotel at 5:30, so theoretically you could sleep til 5 but then you're probably not gonna get breakfast, or if you do, gonna hurry it down. Then on location at 6:30. Do 12 hours on location, then commute an hour back to town, that's 7:30-8 ish. Plenty of times, however, your drive is longer than an hour and then that's where it starts to get a little stupid.

That's insanity. I could 100% never do that. I might have misunderstood when people were talking about it, I was under the assumption you stayed in camps the entire time. No hotels, one location, with a bunch of people etc. At this point tho I think I might be talking about something completely different.

I'm guessing you bring home a good payday tho :lol

[johndeeregreen]

That's insanity. I could 100% never do that. I might have misunderstood when people were talking about it, I was under the assumption you stayed in camps the entire time. No hotels, one location, with a bunch of people etc. At this point tho I think I might be talking about something completely different.
Yeah there are plenty of different occupations in the field, every one is a little bit different. That's just fracing. It sounds worse than it is. You get used to it pretty quick.

[Bless Mathews]

Mo money Mo problems ..

couple things ..
your finna be in a higher tax bracket, so how much more you REALLY
finna make?

everything in life is relative ...

I've been making 80-100k over last 8 years... more costs, house instead of apt, went from paying bout 12-1300$/month total cost (rent water,electric) to 25-2700/month total cost in my house ....

besides having my kids, the ultimate happiness, I was absolutely happy as pig in shit before then living w/roommates in a fat house making prolly 40-50k a year but doing what I loved and wanted to do. my own schedule.

it sucks ass paying ALL 200/month electric, cable, heat, etc. lot easier when its divided by 3.


life is relative...

make your decision

don't aks knuckle heads on a message board

[OldSkoolball#52]

Yup. People wanna make lots of money, but only on their terms.


You'd better be careful, a few more years and you're gonna have a pretty penny saved up, these same jamokes are gonna bangin on your gates wavin torches, claimin its the fault of rich bastards like you that the economy is all out of whack.



Luckily, I will be willing to work for you as the person who stands on the driveway on your side of the gate, and shoots repeatedly into the crowd with a shotgun.




http://i.qkme.me/35ih1p.jpg

[MJ(Mean John)]

Do the 50K and get weekends off and 9-5. Trust me man, you won't get as much money but you're

1. not working holidays or weekends
2. Not working nights
3. Only working 8 hours a day
4. Don't have to move


The other jobs money sounds good but think about it. How much is the money really worth if you're working 20-60 hours of overtime ?! You're supposed to get paid time and a half when working over time. If you want more money, pick up a second job. Trust me, I hate working so much and working nights and weekends. How I miss my free time

[Lamar Doom]

we (film industry) do something similar. we work long hours for a chunk of time (no weekends or holidays, just M-F) and then have a chunk of time off. For example, I'm on a season of TV right now that goes from July of this year til May of next year. In May I'll have 3 months off and a big chunk of money for travel or whatever. I love it. Definitely not for everyone but like JDG says, you get used to it pretty quick, your body gets into a routine, we call it "getting your set (film set) legs". Like I said, I'm a fan, I'd rather have proper time off than just a few extra hours of time at night during the week. I'm much happier than I would be doing 9-5 in an office or whatever the standard alternative is. To each his own though, if it's just about the money you better think hard cause it sounds like tough work.

[KevinNYC]

Dude was BSing that whole thing.


He sits at home all day milking disability pay he no longer needs. He admitted it some time back. Dudes like 40, too. Definition of a loser.

:roll:

Please show me the post where I said I was on disability or welfare.

I've been busy as hell this summer. My boss hooked up with Absolut Vodka and it's been bananas since then

This is the piece we did for Absolut

Before
http://littlesweetknittings.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/1683256-inline-slide-8-what-happens-when-katsu-olek-and-other-artists-descend-upon-a-brooklyn-street.jpg

After
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p480x480/1017208_680785618603424_47106045_n.jpg

I'm sorry you're unhappy with your job, but don't take out on me.

[KevinNYC]

Mo money Mo problems ..

couple things ..
your finna be in a higher tax bracket, so how much more you REALLY
finna make?


Please give one real world situation where going up in tax brackets leaves you with less money.

[OldSkoolball#52]

we (film industry) do something similar. we work long hours for a chunk of time (no weekends or holidays, just M-F) and then have a chunk of time off. For example, I'm on a season of TV right now that goes from July of this year til May of next year. In May I'll have 3 months off and a big chunk of money for travel or whatever. I love it. Definitely not for everyone but like JDG says, you get used to it pretty quick, your body gets into a routine, we call it "getting your set (film set) legs". Like I said, I'm a fan, I'd rather have proper time off than just a few extra hours of time at night during the week. I'm much happier than I would be doing 9-5 in an office or whatever the standard alternative is. To each his own though, if it's just about the money you better think hard cause it sounds like tough work.


I remember you said before that you collect unemployment from the government when you take time off from work.

[IGOTGAME]

I remember you said before that you collect unemployment from the government when you take time off from work.

That seems normal for bros with schedules like that. I met one guy making 90 dollars an hour who took unemployment between projects.

[johndeeregreen]

Bottom line, like LD says, you gotta like what you're doing no matter what it is. It may sound strange to some people but I do enjoy the work I do. I wouldn't be doing it for 50k a year, obviously, but I'm not sacrificing my personal happiness for the money. If you're planning on doing that you can't make it work no matter how hard you try.

[Bless Mathews]

Please give one real world situation where going up in tax brackets leaves you with less money.


re read my post.......smh ... closely. work on your sounds Jimmy. read it, comprehend it... get it?????????

100000x.6-.7??? (depending on area and what he claims)=60-70k

500000x.8-.85.......

get it now skippy?

[OldSkoolball#52]

That seems normal for bros with schedules like that. I met one guy making 90 dollars an hour who took unemployment between projects.


I dunno, I don't think teachers get paid during the summer.

I mean, if you're in good health enough to work, why should you be paid to not work? .

If you work a bunch of hours and days in a row, then that chunk of time off is just like a concentration of weekends. Save all that money you're makin from overtime, and use that to support yourself when you're not working.

Why are you collecting money from other tax payers for what amounts to time off on the weekend?

I don't get it.

[9erempiree]

Here's the situation to be exact. My buddy is a Field Supervisor and says he can get his boss to hire me. He's willing to fly me out there and loan money to me for CDL school. I will be starting out at $17/hr, that's what he says, but he won't go into specifics as to what the position is. I think he's afraid to scare me off. I believe I will be one of those hands, handy man types. Drive equipment and know how to operate the equipment.

Man Camps are available. I like to call them concentration camps, just to be funny here. 3 months of man camp, that's what they allow max, or split rent with my buddy for an apartment, which is pretty expensive, considering the town is gouging the oil workers.



@JohnDeere

What is a typical day of work? Would you say hardcore manual labor non-stop? What is the pace of work?

I've heard of stories where people hide out in the portable bathrooms just to eat lunch or get that breather.


Also, no state income tax in Texas. I use to live in the Houston area briefly.

[Goldrush25]

Sounds like a 60 hour work week is minimum? Ugh, that ain't worth it, unless this is a significant step up in income for you and this would just be a short-term thing.

[BrooklynZoo]

Here's the situation to be exact. My buddy is a Field Supervisor and says he can get his boss to hire me. He's willing to fly me out there and loan money to me for CDL school. I will be starting out at $17/hr, that's what he says, but he won't go into specifics as to what the position is. I think he's afraid to scare me off. I believe I will be one of those hands, handy man types. Drive equipment and know how to operate the equipment.

Man Camps are available. I like to call them concentration camps, just to be funny here. 3 months of man camp, that's what they allow max, or split rent with my buddy for an apartment, which is pretty expensive, considering the town is gouging the oil workers.



@JohnDeere

What is a typical day of work? Would you say hardcore manual labor non-stop? What is the pace of work?

I've heard of stories where people hide out in the portable bathrooms just to eat lunch or get that breather.


Also, no state income tax in Texas. I use to live in the Houston area briefly.

how the heck do u turn 17/hour into 100k

[johndeeregreen]

Here's the situation to be exact. My buddy is a Field Supervisor and says he can get his boss to hire me. He's willing to fly me out there and loan money to me for CDL school. I will be starting out at $17/hr, that's what he says, but he won't go into specifics as to what the position is. I think he's afraid to scare me off. I believe I will be one of those hands, handy man types. Drive equipment and know how to operate the equipment.
Everyone drives, everyone operates. Just different stuff. You'll start as an iron truck driver. Hierarchy can change but from bottom to top it's similar to this:

Iron
Sand
Pumps
Chem van
Blender
Crew Cabber (this is your line boss basically, doesn't run equipment, supervises the crew on the ground)
Data van
Supervisor

Some companies also have nitrogen pumping as a part of frac, so operating an N2 pump would be in there somewhere too, probably between fluid pump and chem van.


@JohnDeere

What is a typical day of work? Would you say hardcore manual labor non-stop? What is the pace of work?
Fracing? No, definitely not. Depending on the day you could be on your ass pressing buttons and twirling knobs for 12 hours straight, never raising your heartbeat above resting level. The only part of fracing that is difficult labor is rigging in and rigging out. During the actual job the machines do all the work. Now, some rig ins can be absolutely massive and take an entire shift, that just depends on how big a job you're doing. But chances are good if you're putting together that much iron, you're gonna be sitting on that pad for awhile, so a few days of seat time basically operating the equipment. Fracing is actually relatively easy money compared to some other oilfield jobs. Right now we're doing so many jobs with a day and night shift that sometimes you don't even rig in or out on your shift, you could just be pumping the entire time.

That said, the times when you are doing manual labor, you're expected to bust your ass. In terms of 3" iron, there are pieces you'll need to lift yourself that are gonna be ~120 pounds or so. When you get into 4" iron that's even heavier. I would say for a typical job, maybe 3-4 hours out of a 12 hour shift would be packing iron, swinging hammers, etc. The rest you'd be operating equipment as you pump the job.

[IGOTGAME]

how the heck do u turn 17/hour into 100k

This.

[OldSkoolball#52]

how the heck do u turn 17/hour into 100k


Well, all your overtime hours would be time and a half, so if you work 80 hours a week you're getting paid 17/hr for 40 hours, and 25/hr the other 40 hours. If you multiply that sum by 52 (weeks) you get roughly 80k. Obviously that isn't 100k, and it assumes you work every week of the year, which you wouldn't, but that's how you'd wind up getting in that ballpark with your calculations. Of course if your base pay is 17/hr then 100k a year is an exaggeration, but if you work crazy long hours the entire year you could get relatively close.

[9erempiree]

Well, all your overtime hours would be time and a half, so if you work 80 hours a week you're getting paid 17/hr for 40 hours, and 25/hr the other 40 hours. If you multiply that sum by 52 (weeks) you get roughly 80k. Obviously that isn't 100k, and it assumes you work every week of the year, which you wouldn't, but that's how you'd wind up getting in that ballpark with your calculations. Of course if your base pay is 17/hr then 100k a year is an exaggeration, but if you work crazy long hours the entire year you could get relatively close.

My buddy also fills in for people during his week off. He is so addicted to seeing his bank account rise that he tries to work every damn day.

I don't know how he is able to do this without breaking OSHA laws.

Close to 100k.

[BrooklynZoo]

im pretty sure there was some bad math involved but even if it were 80hrs/wk for 80k it would not be worth it, unless you were in a bind or trying to support a family

[johndeeregreen]

My buddy also fills in for people during his week off. He is so addicted to seeing his bank account rise that he tries to work every damn day.

I don't know how he is able to do this without breaking OSHA laws.
Not only that but you also have to be mindful of DoT hours. When you're driving truck there's a limit to how much you can work in a day before you are not legally allowed to drive anymore, and only so much you can work in a 7 day span before you are not allowed to drive.

Regardless, like I said earlier, nobody's starting at the bottom making 100k in fracing, especially in the US, where they are paid a pittance compared to their Canadian brethren.

[ace23]

My buddy also fills in for people during his week off. He is so addicted to seeing his bank account rise that he tries to work every damn day.

I don't know how he is able to do this without breaking OSHA laws.

Close to 100k.
You're not making up to even 70 K if you work 12 hours everyday.

[9erempiree]

Regardless, like I said earlier, nobody's starting at the bottom making 100k in fracing, especially in the US, where they are paid a pittance compared to their Canadian brethren.

I heard the Canadians are laughing at what we are making.

You've been very helpful man. I'm glad there someone here that is doing this. Didn't think ISH would have anyone in this industry.

[9erempiree]

Regardless, like I said earlier, nobody's starting at the bottom making 100k in fracing, especially in the US, where they are paid a pittance compared to their Canadian brethren.

I heard the Canadians are laughing at what we are making. You've been very helpful man. I'm glad there someone here that is doing this. Didn't think ISH would have anyone in this industry.

Why can't you do it Fraccing? Isn't Fraccing and Drillering the same, while the drillers are drilling, you are still on site.

[johndeeregreen]

I heard the Canadians are laughing at what we are making.
Absolutely. I wouldn't get out of bed at the hotel for $17/hour.


You've been very helpful man. I'm glad there someone here that is doing this. Didn't think ISH would have anyone in this industry.
Glad I could help. Any other questions, don't be afraid to ask.

[johndeeregreen]

Why can't you do it Fraccing? Isn't Fraccing and Drillering the same, while the drillers are drilling, you are still on site.
They just don't pay that wage for entry level frac positions anywhere.

Drilling and fracing are not even close to the same thing. Drilling is drilling, fracing is pumping fluid/sand downhole at a pressure that creates cracks in the rock formations down there and fills those cracks with sand to keep them open. Whatever oil/gas was previously trapped in that part of the formation formation would then be free to migrate back to the wellbore through those fissures.

And we are never on site at the same time a drilling rig is. Drillers are long gone before we ever get there.

[KevinNYC]

re read my post.......smh ... closely. work on your sounds Jimmy. read it, comprehend it... get it?????????

100000x.6-.7??? (depending on area and what he claims)=60-70k

500000x.8-.85.......

get it now skippy?


It's like trying to teach a pig to dance.

[9erempiree]

Here are some pictures of his on FB, hopefully JDG can describe what's going on.

Their largest Fracing up to date:
http://s21.postimg.org/h0fl673fb/1341_560779657320400_1751409127_n.jpg
http://s24.postimg.org/efaxlgm8l/1003722_560779680653731_374328604_n.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/jzrjwkq3t/945716_558992650832434_1593760624_n.jpg

Here he is rebuilding pumps:
http://s21.postimg.org/xhyg2pvdj/1069912_559627754102257_78269362_n.jpg

Here he is in front of the computer, I have no idea what's going on:
http://s21.postimg.org/q394ac9hz/65601_518306371567729_647010409_n.jpg

[Bless Mathews]

It's like trying to teach a pig to dance.
bro are you retarded. ?


"how much more would you Really make with higher tax bracket "?

you know there is a thing called tax. higher wage means more percentage tax out of your check. less wage less tax.

get it Porky?

[MetsPackers]

no shot you're getting 100k at 17/hr, no shot at all unless you are literally going to sacrifice every moment of your waking life for 3 weeks at a time, and even then you're still not getting 100k


3 weeks, then 1 off, so you work 39 weeks per year, we'll round that up to 40

we'll also shoot for the highest possible number here so lets say you work 80 hour weeks, basically 12 hour days, AND lets say you get double time for the second 40 hours


40*17 = 680
40*34 = 1360
Weekly paycheck = 2040


2040*40= 81600
Yearly pay = 81600 (before taxes)


And that's barely humanly possible

[Balla_Status]

no shot you're getting 100k at 17/hr, no shot at all unless you are literally going to sacrifice every moment of your waking life for 3 weeks at a time, and even then you're still not getting 100k


3 weeks, then 1 off, so you work 39 weeks per year, we'll round that up to 40

we'll also shoot for the highest possible number here so lets say you work 80 hour weeks, basically 12 hour days, AND lets say you get double time for the second 40 hours


40*17 = 680
40*34 = 1360
Weekly paycheck = 2040


2040*40= 81600
Yearly pay = 81600 (before taxes)


And that's barely humanly possible

I would bet he's getting 40 hours paid on his week off.

He's making 50-70k a year with expenses paid every two weeks he's working and more than likely great benefits.

I had a really nice long post but ISH is gay and logged me out because I took much time on it.

[Balla_Status]

Here are some pictures of his on FB, hopefully JDG can describe what's going on.

Their largest Fracing up to date:
http://s21.postimg.org/h0fl673fb/1341_560779657320400_1751409127_n.jpg
http://s24.postimg.org/efaxlgm8l/1003722_560779680653731_374328604_n.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/jzrjwkq3t/945716_558992650832434_1593760624_n.jpg

Here he is rebuilding pumps:
http://s21.postimg.org/xhyg2pvdj/1069912_559627754102257_78269362_n.jpg

Here he is in front of the computer, I have no idea what's going on:
http://s21.postimg.org/q394ac9hz/65601_518306371567729_647010409_n.jpg

These are some nice confidentiality violations right here.

[9erempiree]

These are some nice confidentiality violations right here.

naw...he didn't mind as long as I didn't show his face.

[9erempiree]

I would bet he's getting 40 hours paid on his week off.

He's making 50-70k a year with expenses paid every two weeks he's working and more than likely great benefits.

I had a really nice long post but ISH is gay and logged me out because I took much time on it.

As far as I know, you get per diem too, for motels and food.

[9erempiree]

no shot you're getting 100k at 17/hr, no shot at all unless you are literally going to sacrifice every moment of your waking life for 3 weeks at a time, and even then you're still not getting 100k


3 weeks, then 1 off, so you work 39 weeks per year, we'll round that up to 40

we'll also shoot for the highest possible number here so lets say you work 80 hour weeks, basically 12 hour days, AND lets say you get double time for the second 40 hours


40*17 = 680
40*34 = 1360
Weekly paycheck = 2040


2040*40= 81600
Yearly pay = 81600 (before taxes)


And that's barely humanly possible

I don't know what the other perks are but let's just say you are right......

I'm happy with 80k and traveling.

:confusedshrug:

[9erempiree]

WTF, I got negged for all 3 posts in this thread by probably the same person. Was trying to be helpful to OP :facepalm

When it comes to big money....there is big hate.

No worries bro...do what you got to do.

[johndeeregreen]

naw...he didn't mind as long as I didn't show his face.
Lol not his confidentiality, the company's. Those should definitely not be publicly displayed on his FB or anywhere else.

[KevinNYC]

bro are you retarded. ?


"how much more would you Really make with higher tax bracket "?

you know there is a thing called tax. higher wage means more percentage tax out of your check. less wage less tax.

get it Porky?

Here's what I asked
Please give one real world situation where going up in tax brackets leaves you with less money.

I'm going to ask you to show your work this time because you're there's a fairly obvious flaw. I didn't say you would pay less taxes, I said even with the higher tax rates you would end up with more money left over. See there's this thing called take home pay. It's your wages minus your taxes. That's they key thing we're talking about and the part you don't understand.

We are not talking about having the same income and moving from a low tax place to a high tax place. We are talking about have more income. Which I challenge you to show me an example of moving to a higher tax bracket leaves you will less money, less take home pay at the end of it.


Also I'm going to give you a clue, as you go up in tax brackets, the initial income in tax at the lower rates, It's only income over the limit that is taxed at a higher rate.

If I make $100,000 in wages and Kobe Bryan makes $20 million in wages, we pay the same amount of tax on that first $100,000.

[rufuspaul]

How old are you? If I were 18-21 I might consider doing something like this for a year or 2. Once you get older, have a wife and kids, etc., hell no. The extra $ isn't worth the time away from what's really important in life.

[rhythmic]

14 straight days, 60-100 hours a week?!
That means you will only be able to post on ISH on your week off.

Please TAKE IT!

[rhythmic]

Do the 50K and get weekends off and 9-5. Trust me man, you won't get as much money but you're

1. not working holidays or weekends
2. Not working nights
3. Only working 8 hours a day
4. Don't have to move


The other jobs money sounds good but think about it. How much is the money really worth if you're working 20-60 hours of overtime ?! You're supposed to get paid time and a half when working over time. If you want more money, pick up a second job. Trust me, I hate working so much and working nights and weekends. How I miss my free time

Seriously the best advice in this thread.
Do a double 8 hours shifts you'll make roughly he same money anyways.

16 hours time 5 days is roughly 80 hours a week.
Heck, my friend makes close to 120k working for a bank (75k job) plus bartending 4 nights a week. He gets little sleep during the nights he bartends because he has to be at work for 9, but its still no where as insane as 14 straight days at approx. 100 hours a week.

That's suicide.

[Scholar]

I don't think I'd do it. I currently work 12 hrs a day, 5 days/week & the only reason I'm willing to do it is because it's a night shift (6 pm to 6 am), so I have time during the day to spend with family/friends. The $100k is tempting, especially since I only make just a little over $2000/mo, but 14 straight days of work? And it's actually heavy lifting labor? No thanks.

[GOBB]

I wouldn't do this. I wouldnt enjoy life doing this.


Lol not his confidentiality, the company's. Those should definitely not be publicly displayed on his FB or anywhere else.

I saved all the photos. Blackmail purposes.

[rhythmic]

If you worked all year like this for $100,000, say 90 hours a week for 35 weeks (2 weeks straight - 1 week off). You'd make $31.50 an hour.

Wage wise, that's still pretty damn good I'd say.
You get 17 weeks off which equals 119 days off a year.
In conclusion, it's a good paying job no matter which way you look at it. The question is can YOU survive 14 straight days of 180 hours of work? :biggums:

[IGOTGAME]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[rhythmic]

I'm I missing something. Are they getting time and a half or double time for overtime?

How? He gets $100,000.
2 weeks work, 1 week off = 67% of the year he's working.
52 weeks in a year.
That's 35 working weeks.
35 times 90 hours (on average) a week = 3,150 total hours worked a year.
$100,000 divide by 3,150 = $31.50.

[IGOTGAME]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[rhythmic]

Oh..later in the thread he said it'd be 17 bucks an hour.

Then he'd be making like 60k working 90 hours a week...rinse & repeat, 2-1 format. :roll: (for 17 bucks)

[red1]

who knew sucking dick paid so well

[rhythmic]

who knew sucking dick paid so well

Well I personally would have thought Kobe pays better? :confusedshrug:

[boozehound]

sounds like a terrible job. Money isnt everything

[red1]

What's the most you ever paid for head?
$30? I dont deal with prosties but this one time when I was in school some local hoes that my boy knew were going clubbing but they were broke and needed someone to cover their cab fare. We negotiated terms and I agreed to cover if I got a bj lmao.

Just goes to show that only a woman can go out and have a good time with no money in their pocket. If Im on low on funds the last thing Im gonna do is go out

[red1]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[imdaman99]

100 hour weeks if you do 7 days comes out to around 14-15 hours a day... not sure what your health would be like. and if those 2 weeks wear you out, how exactly will you be able to travel and do all them crazy things with that money you just made? wouldn't it screw up your life and health? health is the main issue, because social life comes 2nd to that. i dont know man, i know money is good but not if its going to shorten your lifespan 10 years.

[Lamar Doom]

That seems normal for bros with schedules like that. I met one guy making 90 dollars an hour who took unemployment between projects.

Extremely common for all of the below the line guys. I know steadicam operators who make $6000+ a week who take it between jobs.




I mean, if you're in good health enough to work, why should you be paid to not work? .

I don't get it.


If it makes you feel better my tax guy convinced me not to take UI anymore between shows so I haven't been taking advantage of it. But it's not like off time is saved up weekends and it's not like I'm turning down work. It's freelance by definition, when a job is done, you're unemployed, it's not summer vacation. Only when you're on a TV show that you know is coming back for another season can you treat off time like that (with some exceptions). We're hired through a network of people that we've already worked with, many of them are locked into a particular format, the majority of my jobs are in TV for example, I have friends who are primarily features or commercials. So when a TV season ends (MOST scripted tv shows shoot on a similar schedule), it's not as if I have a bunch of calls coming in to fill those 3 months with other work, and like I said, I always take those calls when I get them. Had some awesome jobs this year on commercials, features, and promos in between work with my regular crew. No ethical quandary with UI at all, it's exactly what it's there for and why we pay taxes on it. I switched positions/departments a couple years ago, my first 5-6 years in the business were in a much lower paying position so it was more important then, I make more in a day than I do a week of UI now so it's not vital but it does help so you're not just hemorrhaging savings. My tax guy talked me out of it for financial reasons, will reconsider my stance next april.

[9erempiree]

Lots of good advice on here.

I know money shouldn't be everything and let's say the money isn't a factor for me but that week off is what I like.

If I can get a week off from my desk job, I would take the lesser pay. I'm pretty much in it for the traveling.

[IGOTGAME]

Lots of good advice on here.

I know money shouldn't be everything and let's say the money isn't a factor for me but that week off is what I like.

If I can get a week off from my desk job, I would take the lesser pay. I'm pretty much in it for the traveling.

Have you ever worked anywhere close to that many hours before? I don't think you gonna be traveling as much as think. All of your normal stuff has to be done during those 6 days...think laundry, haircuts, snooping etc. plus, you may even want to try and keep up relationships...

[9erempiree]

Have you ever worked anywhere close to that many hours before? I don't think you gonna be traveling as much as think. All of your normal stuff has to be done during those 6 days...think laundry, haircuts, snooping etc. plus, you may even want to try and keep up relationships...

I doubt I have the time nor would I want to get in a relationship that I may not be able to maintain. Since we know what the schedule is like.

You are right about the week off, it may just help to recover rather than travel.

[Balla_Status]

sounds like a terrible job. Money isnt everything

Yeah, you'd be surprised bud. It's either that or working at Mickey D's and you have a kid. Oilfield is your best bet and people make it work.

Lot of misconceptions here. Will go into detail later. Oilfield aint pretty but not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be on here. The week off is really ****ing glorious like you have no idea. And it's paid (usually).

I never get bored working in the oilfield. Yeah, I work a good amount of hours (not in Oz so much) but it's much better than being a desk jockey. I really enjoy it but being an engineer and a hand is a bit different. JDG and I both don't have any kids so the job is way easier to manage.

And all those hours paid off...I'm living the Aussie dream now.

[Balla_Status]

I worked a 2 weeks on/1 week off in New Mexico. (Tues-Mon were my days off) for a year. During the winter, I would relax and go play in the snow and mountains. I boarded 13 times around Colorado with about all being powder days. You can't do that working a 5/2 weekends off schedule. Lift lines were empty during the week, cheaper etc. During the summer, I'd visit friends and family in other cities, head to Denver, head to Moab, Utah, head to outdoors in Colorado, go to Vegas. It was a great schedule. And you don't really worry about work while you're on your week off.

If you're an independent person that doesn't need friends/family to constantly hang out with, you'll be fine.

West Texas kinda sucks but there's shit to do if you look for it. You can drive up to Colorado, take advantage of great state parks, **** around in Dallas, Houston, SA, Austin etc.

Look at it like this, I'm not sure what you're getting for vacation but you basically work a 3 week deal while regular people work a 7 day deal.

You get 1 week of the 3 weeks off while regular people get 2 days of the 7 off. Do the math (33% vs 28%). You get more days off than they do plus vacation. And your week off is paid. I would double check that though before you sign up and honestly, it could change. But I don't see it changing in West Texas anytime soon.

It will take some adjusting but it's really not that bad.

[Balla_Status]

Have you ever worked anywhere close to that many hours before? I don't think you gonna be traveling as much as think. All of your normal stuff has to be done during those 6 days...think laundry, haircuts, snooping etc. plus, you may even want to try and keep up relationships...

Laundry takes 2 hours at most at a laundromat. Haircut? Not that hard either. Snooping...doubt he would do any better than not working in the oilfield. If he's making a big move, I'm sure he's not worried about relationships. Had no problem keeping those relationships up while I was working anyways.

It just takes a little work and effort...try it some time

[Balla_Status]

How old are you? If I were 18-21 I might consider doing something like this for a year or 2. Once you get older, have a wife and kids, etc., hell no. The extra $ isn't worth the time away from what's really important in life.

Take into account the ones that don't have college degrees and didn't use protection in high school...easy for you and booze to say things like this.

[IGOTGAME]

Laundry takes 2 hours at most at a laundromat. Haircut? Not that hard either. Snooping...doubt he would do any better than not working in the oilfield. If he's making a big move, I'm sure he's not worried about relationships.
It was an autocorrect. I meant grocery shopping. I don't think it's a bad move for him. I know a guy who work similar hours in that field(not a hand) and it takes a toll on them. One guy is about to lose his wife over it.

I've been through a couple 80 + hour weeks and I've found it hard to do laundry, eat healthy, pay bills, keep up my social obligations with friends/family/ significant other etc. I'd imagine after pulling two consecutive 80-100 hour weeks you be exhausted and just sleep away some of those days...

It is definite a good choice for some people but don't make it seem like moving to middle of nowhere Texas to work 80- 100 weeks is living the life. Again it may be different for you bc you are an engineer...the guy I know says all he does is monitor a screen while playing video games the entire day.


I do agree that this is a great option for dudes who don't have degrees or wanna start over and pay off debt. I'm going to suggest this to my brother.

Edit: just saw the last part. I wouldn't be caught dead in the middle of nowhere Texas. So, I won't try that.

[Balla_Status]

It was an autocorrect. I meant grocery shopping. I don't think it's a bad move for him. I know a guy who work similar hours in that field(not a hand) and it takes a toll on them. One guy is about to lose his wife over it.

I've been through a couple 80 + hour weeks and I've found it hard to do laundry, eat healthy, pay bills, keep up my social obligations with friends/family/ significant other etc. I'd imagine after pulling two consecutive 80-100 hour weeks you be exhausted and just sleep away some of those days...

It is definite a good choice for some people but don't make it seem like moving to middle of nowhere Texas to work 80- 100 weeks is living the life. Again it may be different for you bc you are an engineer...the guy I know says all he does is monitor a screen while playing video games the entire day.


I do agree that this is a great option for dudes who don't have degrees or wanna start over and pay off debt. I'm going to suggest this to my brother.

Edit: just saw the last part. I wouldn't be caught dead in the middle of nowhere Texas. So, I won't try that.

Yeah, that's basically what I'm trying to say as well. And West Texas =/= middle of nowhere necessarily. Majority of the crews are hispanic anyways. lol @ your false stereotype

[DCL]

of course money is relevant.

if the same job paid 100 million, *everyone* would jump in all over that.

but if it's only 100k??? a lot of people are saying fk that shit, hell no.

[sundizz]

Well, I think given the work ethic this requires that there are a few people this would be good for.

For anyone that doesn't have much in the way of family/social obligations, doesn't have much money, and doesn't necessarily have much technical/work related skills...this seems like a good way to spend 1 to 2 years and give yourself a good work ethic and base to start from.

Doesn't seem like something people could do for a long time, but it'll definitely build good habits and learn to appreciate both free time and money. Could just be the kickstart a loafing around 20-24 year old needs.

[Swaggin916]

Dude that is freaking sick. That is the dream life right there. Vacations galore... and with 100k? Dude lemme roll with your clique.

100 hour work week though? wtf is that shit. That's all day every day. If it was really hard work then I don't think I could do that. It would just be too exhauting. 60 hour work week no problem... If you like the people you are working with then all is good. On top of that, I wouldn't jerk off at all during those 14 days and just go ham during that week off... making 100 k there is no reason you shouldn't have a girl and even if you didn't a high caliber brothel for one day to drain your ******* would do the trick.

If you are a single guy then this is sick. Even if you are in a relationship... there is no reason you couldn't live modestly, do this for 5-10 years and build up a bunch of money, and then settle down/move onto something else. You could plan it out brilliantly.

[MetsPackers]

I think the craziest thing about this thread is that 9erempire is apparently older than 12 years old. Dude must have aspergers or something. Any grown man with such outlandish views and such little objectivity has to have some sort of underlying mental deficiency. And on the flip side any grown man who spends ten thousand posts and countless hours simply trolling is even more concerning. People on the internet never cease to amaze me man

[johndeeregreen]

100 hours a week is not typical. It happens when you're busy, but it's not the norm. And if $17/hour is what they're paying frac hands in the US, overtime or not, that's outlandish. I wouldn't get out of bed to do this job for $17/hour. One thing I would say about this line of work, if you start doing it and you don't like it, trying to just power through it will kill you. You can't do something you hate for these quantities of time and remain in a good place mentally. You guys may find this hard to believe, but the majority of guys I work with (myself included), enjoy the work for the most part. It's not at all about submitting yourself to something you hate in exchange for a paycheck.

[johndeeregreen]

John, what kind of skills do you need for these non-CDL driving positions and are the hourly reasonable?
No oilfield hours are "reasonable" if you're used to a normal schedule. In every line of work pretty much you can count on working a ton of overtime, nights, weekends, and holidays. It's easy to pick out the guys that aren't going to last because the ask stupid shit like "When will we be done?" or "When do we get to go home?"

The skills you need to succeed in this line of work is a healthy work ethic, initiative, motivation, a thick skin (occasionally),he ability to keep your mouth shut until you've earned the right to open it, and most importantly, the ability to learn quickly. Gotta be able to play well with others for most positions. Being somewhat physically able as well. We commonly lift 120+ pound pieces, which isn't really a huge deal, but if you're overly weak/obese/both that's not going to help.

[johndeeregreen]

Oops, I omitted "rate" between hourly and reasonable. Like I mentioned previous post, I've done 16 hour shifts and 8 morning, break then 8 overnight within 24 hr span.

I'm not in the best fit (195-199 lbs at 5'8") but I'm obese or a weakling either. Haven't been working out so I don't know 120+ lbs lifts are like.

Anyway, you posted some companies in the early pages, gonna google them and read more.
It's worth a look. There are probably hundreds of oilfield jobs that I know nothing about in terms of rate and whatnot. It may not be for you, but anyone who is looking for good work that doesn't at least look into it is doing themselves a disservice IMO.

[Bless Mathews]

Oiler empire biggest fraud in message board history.

[ALBballer]

Extremely common for all of the below the line guys. I know steadicam operators who make $6000+ a week who take it between jobs.




If it makes you feel better my tax guy convinced me not to take UI anymore between shows so I haven't been taking advantage of it. But it's not like off time is saved up weekends and it's not like I'm turning down work. It's freelance by definition, when a job is done, you're unemployed, it's not summer vacation. Only when you're on a TV show that you know is coming back for another season can you treat off time like that (with some exceptions). We're hired through a network of people that we've already worked with, many of them are locked into a particular format, the majority of my jobs are in TV for example, I have friends who are primarily features or commercials. So when a TV season ends (MOST scripted tv shows shoot on a similar schedule), it's not as if I have a bunch of calls coming in to fill those 3 months with other work, and like I said, I always take those calls when I get them. Had some awesome jobs this year on commercials, features, and promos in between work with my regular crew. No ethical quandary with UI at all, it's exactly what it's there for and why we pay taxes on it. I switched positions/departments a couple years ago, my first 5-6 years in the business were in a much lower paying position so it was more important then, I make more in a day than I do a week of UI now so it's not vital but it does help so you're not just hemorrhaging savings. My tax guy talked me out of it for financial reasons, will reconsider my stance next april.

Not quite but if the government allows you to take advantage of this loophole then who am I to judge you for taking it?

[Akrazotile]

Not quite but if the government allows you to take advantage of this loophole then who am I to judge you for taking it?


I don't have a problem with people who take it when it's offered, just like I don't have a problem with people joining unions. I have a problem with those who do not gain anything from these loopholes, or from union-friendly laws, but support them anyway simply for the self satisfaction of THINKING they're doing something noble for the 'common man.'

We're talking about healthy, grown men here. If you choose a freelance job where work comes and goes, then develop another skill so that you can earn income when your regular work is slow. At least that's what should be encouraged. Teachers don't get paid for summer vacation. Those who wish to earn more income during that time teach summer school or find other work. Why the hell should Lamar Doom or anyone else be getting taxpayer dollars because he's chosen a career with a spotty schedule? Come on. There's plenty of things you can do on a temporary basis to earn money. Tutoring, landscaping, medical studies, telemarketing. Tons of freaking possibilities.

The idea that someone can say "wellp, this project is over, let me get the government to pay my bills while I sit on my ass until I feel like doing this specific job again" would absolutely gall pretty much anyone who migrated here during any point in American history. People in our generation simply do not expect to have to provide for themselves or be self sufficient for some reason, as every previous generation was expected to do. Believe me, I'm not saying I'm the world's hardest worker, but I also do not expect to receive the fruits of anyone else's labor.


But this is what keeps people voting for big government, of course. So the politicians love it. Even the ones who pretend to be against it, because hey it's more power for them. Then Democrats complain about foreign policy, complain about the economy, complain about domestic spying (of course, they only blame republicans for these things) but the truth is "their" politicians are complicit as well, but they can't criticize the hand that feeds them. So they eat off the government's dime, then delude themselves into thinking it's "the other party" that causes all the problems and that all the innocent little selfless compassion femocrats are the good guys who just wanna live in peace n harmony, awwww.....


GOAT hypocrisy.

[Draz]

Listen. Just donate to this fcking website and upgrade these forums.

[Goon Time]

but I also do not expect to receive the fruits of anyone else's labor.


except your daddy who financed your failed acting career and most of your 20s





GOAT hypocrisy.

amen

[Akrazotile]

except your daddy who financed your failed acting career and most of your 20s


amen


:oldlol:


Youve dedicated this entire gimmick account to trying to get a reaction out of me.



Your real life is painful and depressing.













:yaohappy:

[Goon Time]

Your real life is painful and depressing.




i know, if only i was a college dropout 30 year old who had to get dates off the internet, lived off my rich daddy, completely failed an attempt to break into acting, failed or quit everything else my sheltered, spoiled, entitled ass "tried" to do, and thought i knew everything about politics and how society should be. blame those lazy poor people, blame the liberals, everyone is just soft sheep who think they'll be accepted if they care about the next guy

non working realists like yourself are what we really need to straighten this broken world out, tell us where we went wrong Ak, tell us!

your real life is painful and depressing, you just can't see it because your ego won't let you, trust though dude, you are a joke and there aint no sign of improvement











:whatever:

[Goon Time]

Youve dedicated this entire gimmick account to trying to get a reaction out of me.




dont flatter yourself

[Akrazotile]

i know, if only i was a college dropout 30 year old who had to get dates off the internet, lived off my rich daddy, completely failed an attempt to break into acting, failed or quit everything else my sheltered, spoiled, entitled ass "tried" to do, and thought i knew everything about politics and how society should be. blame those lazy poor people, blame the liberals, everyone is just soft sheep who think they'll be accepted if they care about the next guy

non working realists like yourself are what we really need to straighten this broken world out, tell us where we went wrong Ak, tell us!

your real life is painful and depressing, you just can't see it because your ego won't let you, trust though dude, you are a joke and there aint no sign of improvement











:whatever:



Ju madd.... mayne??

[Budadiiii]

i know, if only i was a college dropout 30 year old who had to get dates off the internet, lived off my rich daddy, completely failed an attempt to break into acting, failed or quit everything else my sheltered, spoiled, entitled ass "tried" to do, and thought i knew everything about politics and how society should be. blame those lazy poor people, blame the liberals, everyone is just soft sheep who think they'll be accepted if they care about the next guy

non working realists like yourself are what we really need to straighten this broken world out, tell us where we went wrong Ak, tell us!

your real life is painful and depressing, you just can't see it because your ego won't let you, trust though dude, you are a joke and there aint no sign of improvement











:whatever:
:biggums:

Just described my life. Josh, you're a f*cking f(ggot bro. :bowdown:

[AlphaWolf24]

Here are some pictures of his on FB, hopefully JDG can describe what's going on.


Here he is in front of the computer, I have no idea what's going on:
http://s21.postimg.org/q394ac9hz/65601_518306371567729_647010409_n.jpg


Looks like a Scada system ( remote monitoring system of the Oil well's)...

http://www.fieldingsystems.com/scadavisor

I also have worked with Gas and Oil companies ( I buy land rich in diatomaceous earth)

- as far as the new Job..

I say Go for it. ( if it's only for a few months....buckle down....Like Kobe in the Crunchtime!)

sounds like a lot work but do it now and save the Money.



anyways good luck...

(Good to see fellow ISH members/knowledgeable Basketball/Laker fans becoming successful)
:applause: :cheers:

[johndeeregreen]

Looks like a Scada system ( remote monitoring system of the Oil well's)...
No, this is most definitely some sort of specialized frac monitoring software (AccuFrac, FracPro, etc.) I don't know which one, but it is not what you are describing.

[ArbitraryWater]

Dude that is freaking sick. That is the dream life right there. Vacations galore... and with 100k? Dude lemme roll with your clique.

100 hour work week though? wtf is that shit. That's all day every day. If it was really hard work then I don't think I could do that. It would just be too exhauting. 60 hour work week no problem... If you like the people you are working with then all is good. On top of that, I wouldn't jerk off at all during those 14 days and just go ham during that week off... making 100 k there is no reason you shouldn't have a girl and even if you didn't a high caliber brothel for one day to drain your ******* would do the trick.

If you are a single guy then this is sick. Even if you are in a relationship... there is no reason you couldn't live modestly, do this for 5-10 years and build up a bunch of money, and then settle down/move onto something else. You could plan it out brilliantly.


http://www.timo.in/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/anchorman_well_that_escalated_quickly_966_u18chan. jpg

[ballup]

If the work is 9-5 for the first option, it wouldn't be so bad. You get twice the salary for working an extra day a month. Now if you were considering health, physically and socially, it may not be a great idea.

[nathanjizzle]

its a dangerous job, i think. I did some business with a guy from Pennsylvania, him and his son worked the oil fields, and his son died.

[The Iron Sheik]

neither. working sucks. unless the job was a professional athlete or something fun