Random white boy from the 50's dunking in HS layup line:

[CavaliersFTW]

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tPBwszajOq0/UghZNxI8PJI/AAAAAAAAEiE/jx71xFtm86U/s400/Sequence%252001.Still001.jpg

http://youtu.be/y4QvAH9CXEk

Came across this when doing my routine search for 1950's basketball footage (Every month or so I hunt for "newly" surfaced NCAA games of the future 1960's stars like West, Wilt, Baylor, Russell etc) but this footage comes from an unknown game/school/state at the High School level from 1957 so I have no idea who the guy is who's dunking during the layup line but it's interesting to see that even in the 50's high school kids liked to dunk in the layup line and more importantly, were capable of doing it.

[SilkkTheShocker]

You aren't convincing anyone Wilt would dominate in today's NBA. :facepalm

[LAZERUSS]

The 6-4 (and white) Jim Pollard was supposedly dunking from the FT line back in the late 40's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Pollard



Pollard was considered one of the best forwards in the 1940s and 1950s, and was known for his leaping ability[1] (Pollard would occasionally dunk from the free throw line during warmups[2]) earning him the nickname "The Kangaroo Kid".

[TylerOO]

Really not trying to sound like a dick, but are people supposed to be impressed?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Really not trying to sound like a dick, but are people supposed to be impressed?
:applause: :oldlol:

[JimmyMcAdocious]

I don't get it. Isn't a point 50-60 dick huggers try to make all the time is that players now aren't that much more physically advanced?

[LosScandalous]

i found some 2012 rare footage, random white kids dunking in their drive way

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0GeewWRrCk

this is what kids we're capable of doing all the way back in 2012.

amazing feats of athleticism. makes you wonder what they would average as a pro in the 50s

[Deuce Bigalow]

What CavaliersFTW, jlauber, and a few others see:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tPBwszajOq0/UghZNxI8PJI/AAAAAAAAEiE/jx71xFtm86U/s400/Sequence%252001.Still001.jpg

What actually was seen:

http://i33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

What CavaliersFTW, jlauber, and a few others see:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tPBwszajOq0/UghZNxI8PJI/AAAAAAAAEiE/jx71xFtm86U/s400/Sequence%252001.Still001.jpg

What actually was seen:

http://i33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg
Cool, a slow motion clip of Bob Cousy :applause:

Or do you actually believe that time went by slower in the 1950's? :oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

What CavaliersFTW, jlauber, and a few others see:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tPBwszajOq0/UghZNxI8PJI/AAAAAAAAEiE/jx71xFtm86U/s400/Sequence%252001.Still001.jpg

What actually was seen:

http://i33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg

COLLEGE Pete Maravich, playing from '68 thru '70...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8qUZILi8IM

BTW, take a look at Pistol's shooting at the 3 minute mark. He hits a FT line HOOK SHOT, and a few seconds later he swishes a 30 footer.

And for those that claim that he dominated "white boys", he would go to lead the NBA in scoring in the mid-70's, and even had a 68 point game against the Knicks (and Clyde Frazier.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UTust5oFW4

Enjoy...

[SyRyanYang]

Good find like always:applause:
Now everyone saying Wilt played against short white guys can finally shut up. With random hs kids all looked like 7 feet or above, I wouldn't surprised if Wilt played against some 8 feet.

[LAZERUSS]

Deserves a post of it's own...


COLLEGE Pete Maravich, playing from '68 thru '70...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8qUZILi8IM

BTW, take a look at Pistol's shooting at the 3 minute mark. He hits a FT line HOOK SHOT, and a few seconds later he swishes a 30 footer.

And for those that claim that he dominated "white boys", he would go to lead the NBA in scoring in the mid-70's, and even had a 68 point game against the Knicks (and Clyde Frazier.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UTust5oFW4

Enjoy...

[Beatlezz]

What actually was seen:

http://i33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg

Shit happens man. :lol

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1805975/piercelol.gif

[bdreason]

So you're saying the athleticism in the NBA before integration was equal to that of the modern NBA? :confusedshrug:

[KyleKong]

Shit happens man. :lol

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1805975/piercelol.gif

I hate the Nets, but G dang, that was the dirtiest move since Allen Iverson in the Finals.

[fpliii]

Shit happens man. :lol

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1805975/piercelol.gif

I think he ended Pierce's career there. Oh yeah, they're teammates now lol.

[KyleKong]

I think he ended Pierce's career there. Oh yeah, they're teammates now lol.

Don't forget, these two best friends are now teammates as well

http://dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Screen-shot-2012-11-28-at-10.02.09-PM.png

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/881964/original.jpg

P.S.

Fplii for Mod or Die.

[fpliii]

Don't forget, these two best friends are now teammates as well

http://dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Screen-shot-2012-11-28-at-10.02.09-PM.png

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/881964/original.jpg

P.S.

Fplii for Mod or Die.

:rockon:

Gonna be a fun 2013-14 season.

[andgar923]

Don't forget, these two best friends are now teammates as well

http://dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Screen-shot-2012-11-28-at-10.02.09-PM.png

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/881964/original.jpg

P.S.

Fplii for Mod or Die.

They're all pros, shit'll be good.

[CavaliersFTW]

So you're saying the athleticism in the NBA before integration was equal to that of the modern NBA? :confusedshrug:
I don't know, are you saying that you have finally stopped beating your wife? :confusedshrug:

[bdreason]

I don't know, are you saying that you have finally stopped beating your wife? :confusedshrug:


It's a straight forward question, and I'm not married.

[CavaliersFTW]

It's a straight forward question, and I'm not married.
Is this what you say to your bruised and battered wife after beating her, you fail to even acknowledge the marriage?

- Equally straight forward question.

[bdreason]

So you're just going to troll your own thread?


Hilarious.

[BoutPractice]

What I always find funny about that "Cousy breaking ankles" clip is how people fail to see the abundance of laughably bad plays in today's NBA... heck, there's even a whole show dedicated to it! Would you judge today's era based on an episode of Shaqtin a Fool, with clips of Dirk passing to the invisible man and LeBron tripping over himself?

[BoutPractice]

Some skills have improved over time, some have regressed. Ballhandling has gotten better, but other skills like outlet passes, passing from the post, properly blocking shots or hook shot technique have gotten worse.

Incidentally, ballhandling is the most overrated skill in basketball, and the Maravich video, brilliant though it is, is the perfect example of that: being a magician with the ball doesn't translate to actual meaningful production. Ballhandling is near useless if it doesn't lead to made FGs - and some players don't need ballhandling at all to make FGs. I'd rather have a boring, fundamentally sound guard who helps this team win than a ballhogging chucker who tries to look cool, even if said chucker is a "genius".

[CavaliersFTW]

So you're just going to troll your own thread?


Hilarious.
I was simply asking you equally loaded questions as the one you were asking me - no trolling I'm just keeping the discussion fair you know? But according to this most recent post post by you (which is still loaded) it appears you do not even understand what a loaded question is, or recognize when your even asking one?

Nah, you can't be that stupid. Your attempting to be clever, which is stupid enough. But your not stupid enough to fail to recognize what your doing. Good job good effort though, the moment you stop asking loaded questions is the moment I will :cheers:

[Horatio33]

I don't know, are you saying that you have finally stopped beating your wife? :confusedshrug:

Ah, the David Stern "I'm backed into a corner and the question has some truth so I will say something controversial instead of answering this uncomfortable question" routine.

[CavaliersFTW]

Ah, the David Stern "I'm backed into a corner and the question has some truth so I will say something controversial instead of answering this uncomfortable question" routine.
It's actually a universally used response for mocking anyone who is dumb enough to ask a loaded question. :cheers:

[LJJ]

You eliminate carrying from the game and dribbling starts looking an awful lot like that 60s style dribbling again. Keeping your eyes up always, smooth crossovers and use of both hands, smooth posture. That's all mostly a result from allowing carrying to an increasingly large extent.

[sundizz]

SacJBShady guy is more entertaining this troll clown nowadays. Just stick to making videos...your words have the opposite effect.

SHUT UP CAVALIERSFTW

[millwad]

The 6-4 (and white) Jim Pollard was supposedly dunking from the FT line back in the late 40's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Pollard

I mean really, who the hell believes this nonsense..

This is Jim Pollard;

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ2LkQgX9Cwi7m_3na060VJ9MU1z0CKP U8Ig8fK3nf3PqewdFr8

[Xiao Yao You]

Looks like he has long arms. Who's to say he couldn't jump like Brent Barry?

[Sheik1287]

What's your deal with trying to prove Russell and Wilt's era had tough competition? The NBA back then was mostly white guys that were shorter than the average player in today's NBA. Black people are obviously more athletic than white people; you're in denial if you don't believe that.

There's no doubt Russell and Wilt would be great players now in the NBA due to lack of good centers. But, Russell wouldn't reach 11 rings and Wilt wouldn't average 50 PPG and dominate as much as he did.

Can you imagine if Olajuwon and Shaq played in Russell and Wilt's era? Olajuwon would be the defensive presence that was Russell was + Olajuwon's offense was great too. Shaq would dominate just as much as Wilt.

[QuadLimboLazanya]

Don't forget, these two best friends are now teammates as well

http://dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Screen-shot-2012-11-28-at-10.02.09-PM.png

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/881964/original.jpg

P.S.

Fplii for Mod or Die.


Lol at "tetnis"

[pudman13]

My dad played against Mark Belanger (who eventually chose baseball over basketball) when he was in high school in the late 50s/early 60s and says Belanger (who is listed in the baseball encyclopedia at 6'1") could dunk from the free-throw line. I'm guessing this is an exaggeration, and that the legend about Pollard are an exaggeration too (as are those about anyone who ever supposedly touched the top of the backboard), but the point here is that at the time people did dunk in practice, did show off, and that it was something people noticed and remembered. There were guys who had that kind of athleticism who didn't even play in the NBA.

[Marchesk]

You eliminate carrying from the game and dribbling starts looking an awful lot like that 60s style dribbling again. Keeping your eyes up always, smooth crossovers and use of both hands, smooth posture. That's all mostly a result from allowing carrying to an increasingly large extent.

^This. The dribbling rules have been relaxed a lot, which allows NBA players to have superior handles to what you see from old footage.

This is always overlooked in the conversation about putting a modern player back in the 60s or 50s. They wouldn't get away with those kind of dribbling moves back then.

[Dro]

You eliminate carrying from the game and dribbling starts looking an awful lot like that 60s style dribbling again. Keeping your eyes up always, smooth crossovers and use of both hands, smooth posture. That's all mostly a result from allowing carrying to an increasingly large extent.
Hey, don't you know logic is frowned upon here? Anyway, I'm sure there was already a huge breakdown of this dribbling topic on ish a year or two ago. Pretty sure if players were able to get away with carrying, hesitation dribbles, etc, that players back then would be doing the same moves we see today. Id expect anyone over the age of 20 to understand this but I'm probably giving them too much credit. Whatever helps them cling to the fact that their favorite players of today are superior...:confusedshrug:

[jongib369]

I mean really, who the hell believes this nonsense..

This is Jim Pollard;

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ2LkQgX9Cwi7m_3na060VJ9MU1z0CKP U8Ig8fK3nf3PqewdFr8
http://celticshub.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/1996-brent-barry.jpg

What a perfectly sculpted muscular body. Brent is a freak of nature and there is no WAY in **** Pollard could even jump over a piece of paper

[Marchesk]

And there's this image of Pollard jumping, but I don't know if that basket is regulation height and how high the grill is.

http://nbahoopsonline.com/Articles/top160/photos/JimPollard.jpg

[LongLiveTheKing]

So what is this supposed to prove again?

[Marchesk]

So what is this supposed to prove again?

That not everyone back then was slow and nonathletic so that the few athletic guys such as Wilt and Russell could dominate by virtue of playing in a weak era against scrubs.

[MavsSuperFan]

I don't get it. Isn't a point 50-60 dick huggers try to make all the time is that players now aren't that much more physically advanced?
It unbelievable how much they ride the ***** of players they have never seen.


I don't know, are you saying that you have finally stopped beating your wife? :confusedshrug:


Is this what you say to your bruised and battered wife after beating her, you fail to even acknowledge the marriage?

- Equally straight forward question.
:coleman:
You actually think that asking you if players in the 50s/60s are as good/athletic as players today is the equivalent of asking a man if he has stopped beating his wife?:biggums:

50s/60s dick huggers :facepalm

[gts]

If you don't enjoy discussing other eras of the NBA or learning about players from other eras of basketball don't CLICK on the fuc*ing threads. You have a great wealth of knowledge available to you from posters that have studied the NBA at length and put a ton of effort into bringing it to you but all you want to do is sh*t the bed.

Some of you guys put way too much effort into being assholes.

[CavaliersFTW]

If you don't enjoy discussing other eras of the NBA or learning about players from other eras of basketball don't CLICK on the fuc*ing threads. You have a great wealth of knowledge available to you from posters that have studied the NBA at length and put a ton of effort into bringing it to you but all you want to do is sh*t the bed.

Some of you guys put way too much effort into being assholes.
Apparently bringing attention to a random highschool kid from the 1950's dunking a basketball in a layup line is enough to incite a tsunami of hatred on ISH - shame on me. I should have known that stuff should never be talked about.

[senelcoolidge]

You have to be an idiot if you think there were no great athletes in the 1950's or even further past. Sure we have lots of cheats today who use PED's and other drugs. Modern training and nutrition. But there have always been great athletes. Even when I was a teenager I wasn't dumb enough to think that nothing prior to my existence was not good.

[DCL]

Shit happens man. :lol

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1805975/piercelol.gif

i'm sitting on a chair, and even i got faked out. thought he was going thaat way. :lol

[LongLiveTheKing]

Apparently bringing attention to a random highschool kid from the 1950's dunking a basketball in a layup line is enough to incite a tsunami of hatred on ISH - shame on me. I should have known that stuff should never be talked about.
Then what do you expect everyone to be in awe at a guy dunking? I see people dunking all the time in my high school games. And most of them aren't black.

[CavaliersFTW]

Then what do you expect everyone to be in awe at a guy dunking? I see people dunking all the time in my high school games. And most of them aren't black.
Is the only objective of making posts on ISH to hold people in awe? :confusedshrug:

[LongLiveTheKing]

Is the only objective of making posts on ISH to hold people in awe? :confusedshrug:
Well then what was the point? :confusedshrug:

[CavaliersFTW]

Well then what was the point? :confusedshrug:
Had u ever seen a random 50's high school level player that wasn't say, a future NBA talent (such as Wilt or Bill Russell) dunk before? Well after coming into my thread, now you can say you have.

You read the title, you knew what to expect coming in, what is there to complain about? If the topic doesn't interest you, don't come in. Don't pretend to be oblivious to the fact that a lot of you guys love to act like if something in the past isn't on film it never happened. If one watches this clip one could reasonably conclude "Even white teenagers from the 50's could dunk" - and it sounds like such a "no shit" statement after watching it on film. But had I never found/shown it? Then it would be just another criticism when someone tries to talk about basketball in the 50's ...."could those guyz even dunk back then?! LOLz". You know it, I know it. But it's okay go ahead and act like the thread was pointless, the fact that you guys are so angry leads me to believe your all pissed at me for ruining on your favorite criticisms. One "pointless" example at a time.

[bdreason]

Had u ever seen a random 50's high school level player that wasn't say, a future NBA talent (such as Wilt or Bill Russell) dunk before? Well after coming into my thread, now you can say you have.

You read the title, you knew what to expect coming in, what is there to complain about? If the topic doesn't interest you, don't come in. Don't pretend to be oblivious to the fact that a lot of you guys love to act like if something in the past isn't on film it never happened. If one watches this clip one could reasonably conclude "Even white teenagers from the 50's could dunk" - and it sounds like such a "no shit" statement after watching it on film. But had I never found/shown it? Then it would be just another criticism when someone tries to talk about basketball in the 50's ...."could those guyz even dunk back then?! LOLz". You know it, I know it. But it's okay go ahead and act like the thread was pointless, the fact that you guys are so angry leads me to believe your all pissed at me for ruining on your favorite criticisms. One "pointless" example at a time.



Everyone is quite aware that people have been able to dunk since the inception of the game. That doesn't mean that a league consisting of 90% white guys is as athletic as a league consisting of 90% black guys.

You trying to pretend that your threads don't have an agenda is laughable at best. I appreciate the videos you make, but I think you've been posting on ISH too long, because the majority of your threads these days are agenda driven troll bait.

[avonbarksdale]

your so stupid that guy is huge obviously he could dunk


you are such a bad poster and lead a very sad life obsessed with 1950s basketball, please stop making threads and leave ish

[avonbarksdale]

and don't reply to me calling him huge with you taking him at a bunch of different angles and scaling him out with wilt/shaq/dwight like you've done a million times because literally no one cares

[CavaliersFTW]

Everyone is quite aware that people have been able to dunk since the inception of the game. That doesn't mean that a league consisting of 90% white guys is as athletic as a league consisting of 90% black guys.

You trying to pretend that your threads don't have an agenda is laughable at best. I appreciate the videos you make, but I think you've been posting on ISH too long, because the majority of your threads these days are agenda driven troll bait.
^- Your hatred towards me has made you delusional. A word I never thought i'd use in a serious comment on ISH. While I do "troll" and have fun on ISH, it's about topics like Euroleague, or Lebron or the Clippers etc. I generally do not create threads that aren't serious on the topic of basketball history which is the subject that I enjoy making legitimate contributions.

You on the other hand, literally hunt for criticisms so hard in my posts, you end up ignoring or overlooking what I actually posted and create something else entirely in your head. I'm not a manipulator of opinions via alterior motive or hidden agendas or w/e that is ridiculous and the fact that you even think I'm hiding agendas and what not reminds me of how crazy conspiracy theorists think. I speak directly what's on my mind and I try to cover all my bases in one post, heck, I over explain things most of the time. Your loaded questions (which if you still haven't figured out what a loaded question is I'd suggest you look it up) make you look like a clown. If it isn't stated in my post, it's JUST in your head. I cover all my bases when I post, I don't even leave room for speculation or "hidden" agendas.

[CavaliersFTW]

your so stupid that guy is huge obviously he could dunk


you are such a bad poster and lead a very sad life obsessed with 1950s basketball, please stop making threads and leave ish
Aren't 50's players undersized though? :confusedshrug:

[bdreason]

So the point of the thread is that you think it is "interesting" that a human was "capable" of dunking a ball through a 10' foot hoop ~50 years ago?

That's about the least interesting topic I've ever read. Maybe you should make a thread about how you're so surprised a human was "capable" of hitting a baseball 50 years ago. Then you could post a video of a guy hitting a baseball in the 50's. :oldlol:

[daily]

So the point of the thread is that you think it is "interesting" that a human was "capable" of dunking a ball through a 10' foot hoop ~50 years ago?

That's about the least interesting topic I've ever read. Maybe you should make a thread about how you're so surprised a human was "capable" of hitting a baseball 50 years ago. Then you could post a video of a guy hitting a baseball in the 50's. :oldlol::facepalm

Don't be so dim, the point is he found a youtube of a film from 60 years ago and thought he'd share it. This stuff is rare, if you're a fan of basketball it's fun to see the old clips like this, at least it is for me.

[SyRyanYang]

^- Your hatred towards me has made you delusional. A word I never thought i'd use in a serious comment on ISH. While I do "troll" and have fun on ISH, it's about topics like Euroleague, or Lebron or the Clippers etc. I generally do not create threads that aren't serious on the topic of basketball history which is the subject that I enjoy making legitimate contributions.

You on the other hand, literally hunt for criticisms so hard in my posts, you end up ignoring or overlooking what I actually posted and create something else entirely in your head. I'm not a manipulator of opinions via alterior motive or hidden agendas or w/e that is ridiculous and the fact that you even think I'm hiding agendas and what not reminds me of how crazy conspiracy theorists think. I speak directly what's on my mind and I try to cover all my bases in one post, heck, I over explain things most of the time. Your loaded questions (which if you still haven't figured out what a loaded question is I'd suggest you look it up) make you look like a clown. If it isn't stated in my post, it's JUST in your head. I cover all my bases when I post, I don't even leave room for speculation or "hidden" agendas.

I'm sorry, where is that?

[SyRyanYang]

:facepalm

Don't be so dim, the point is he found a youtube of a film from 60 years ago and thought he'd share it. This stuff is rare, if you're a fan of basketball it's fun to see the old clips like this, at least it is for me.

True, if OP doesn't have an obvious agenda.

[Hittin_Shots]

There are threads about complete horseshit, but this is the one you guys choose to get upset with. His agenda is to showcase olden day players/game. How is it a hidden agenda? I've seen numerous claims that everyone back then was small and not athletic white guys, this guy already being called 'huge' by another poster arguing against op who is probably part if the crowd that believe the small non athletic line has given this thread more point than 90% of the threads here that are just the same things over and over.

[Marchesk]

So the point of the thread is that you think it is "interesting" that a human was "capable" of dunking a ball through a 10' foot hoop ~50 years ago?

That's about the least interesting topic I've ever read.

:coleman:

You must not read much on here. If it weren't for posters like cavsftw, there would be a 95% Lebron/Kobe trolling content. And all of them have an agenda.

[SyRyanYang]

:coleman:

You must not read much on here. If it weren't for posters like cavsftw, there would be a 95% Lebron/Kobe trolling content. And all of them have an agenda.

So his solution is to troll differently? That worked out well:lol

[fpliii]

I'm sorry, where is that?

Are you serious dude?

http://www.youtube.com/user/dantheman9758

CavsFTW is one of the most valuable contributors on this board. He's obviously having fun with this thread, but he's done some great things for the community.

[HomieWeMajor]

Lots of High Schools back in those days use to play on lowered rims to make the game easier for their "unathletic" players

[SyRyanYang]

Are you serious dude?

http://www.youtube.com/user/dantheman9758

CavsFTW is one of the most valuable contributors on this board. He's obviously having fun with this thread, but he's done some great things for the community.
Of course I'm aware of that and respect that. I'm talking about this thread alone. By "I don't see it" I meant I don't see it in this thread.

[fpliii]

Of course I'm aware of that and respect that. I'm talking about this thread alone.

Ah gotcha.

[bdreason]

Are you serious dude?

http://www.youtube.com/user/dantheman9758

CavsFTW is one of the most valuable contributors on this board. He's obviously having fun with this thread, but he's done some great things for the community.


Nobody is denying CavsFTW contributions. Doesn't mean he isn't going to get called out for an obvious troll bait thread. And the way he responded to getting called out for his trolling is embarrassing.

If he wants to engage in a serious conversation about the athleticism of players from the 50/60's vs. the modern era, then make it transparent. Instead he chooses to make troll bait threads and dance around the topic, slinging insults in order to avoid real debate.

[CavaliersFTW]

Nobody is denying CavsFTW contributions. Doesn't mean he isn't going to get called out for an obvious troll bait thread. And the way he responded to getting called out for his trolling is embarrassing.

If he wants to engage in a serious conversation about the athleticism of players from the 50/60's vs. the modern era, then make it transparent. Instead he chooses to make troll bait threads and dance around the topic, slinging insults in order to avoid real debate.
Not a troll bait thread, some people in here get it. You obviously don't. Asking loaded questions like you do and pretending your innocent is what is embarrassing. Have you learned what they are yet BD or are you still having trouble figuring out where you go wrong?

[bdreason]

Asking your opinion on the relative athleticism of NBA players pre and post integration is hardly a loaded question. You just refuse to answer the question because it doesn't fit into your agenda.

[Legends66NBA7]

You read the title, you knew what to expect coming in, what is there to complain about? If the topic doesn't interest you, don't come in.

While I have nothing against your thread, since I always like seeing past footage of any sport period... Why do you say this but then have a problem with Dro on bumping his thread about Michael Jordan highlights for his entire career, while having some decent discussion going on in that same thread ?

[CavaliersFTW]

Asking your opinion on the relative athleticism of NBA players pre and post integration is hardly a loaded question. You just refuse to answer the question because it doesn't fit into your agenda.
^--- you didn't ask that, what you asked wasn't phrased even remotely close to that. Go back and re-read your questions word for word. Then look up the definition of a loaded question. It is insulting to be asked loaded questions. They don't hold up in friendly conversation any more than they hold up in a court room in front of a judge. In court they are called "leading" questions, and they aren't tolerated. Continue to ask them, and I will continue to respond reciprocally. Ask me real questions like a civilized human being, and maybe you'll get real answers.

[bdreason]

^--- you didn't ask that, what you asked wasn't phrased even remotely close to that. Go back and re-read your questions word for word. Then look up the definition of a loaded question. It is insulting to be asked loaded questions. They don't hold up in friendly conversation any more than they hold up in a court room in front of a judge. In court they are called "leading" questions, and they aren't tolerated. Continue to ask them, and I will continue to respond reciprocally. Ask me real questions like a civilized human being, and maybe you'll get real answers.

blah blah blah keep dodging questions.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

So Pistol Pete was doing the Dream Shake and MJ's hangtime highlights before they did?

3:34 in the vid

[pudman13]

The real question isn't whether those players were athletic as todays, but how athletic people like Robertson, Chamberlain, Baylor, Havlicek, West, etc... would be if they had today's conditioning and equipment and if they played by today's rules. You can't compare people from one era to another without assuming that if they were born 40 years later they'd have had the same advatages as people who actually were born in the modern time period.

[pudman13]

Actually, I should follow that one up. Here's the question about those days vs. these days that I think iis really worth asking? Look at some of the undersized stars: Havlicek, Barry and Baylor as forwards, Unseld and Cowens as centers, to name a few. How would these players have done today if they had to play different positions, or could they have succeeded at their size in the positions they played? I would like to hear people's thoughts about that one.

[pudman13]

http://celticshub.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/1996-brent-barry.jpg



And then there's this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idd48wv4nTo

(1:22:30)

[jongib369]

And then there's this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idd48wv4nTo

(1:22:30)

Talk about underrated and not talked about enough :bowdown:

[jlip]

9-13 year old kids (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soLH6bau9uo)from the 1960's performing Globetrotter and And 1 dribbling antics

[secund2nun]

We all know that Wilt feasted in a league full of unathletic undersized white scrubs. That is why he was able to put up FAKE stat lines like 50/25.

[kobeef24]

9-13 year old kids (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soLH6bau9uo)from the 1960's performing Globetrotter and And 1 dribbling antics

Nice find, haven't seen this before.

[daily]

9-13 year old kids (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soLH6bau9uo)from the 1960's performing Globetrotter and And 1 dribbling antics

That's pretty good.

Wonder where and who those kids are now? they'd be in their 60's 70's today

[Dro]

While I have nothing against your thread, since I always like seeing past footage of any sport period... Why do you say this but then have a problem with Dro on bumping his thread about Michael Jordan highlights for his entire career, while having some decent discussion going on in that same thread ?
I would love an answer to this...I had to take the dude off ignore because he posts some great videos...Ironically, he has a problem with me bumping the Jordan thread when the ONLY reason I bump it is because its a great video and the so far the best compilation of highlights ever released about arguably the greatest player of all time...If someone had a 4 hour highlight tape of Wilt full of stuff that we've never seen, I'd love for it to stay on the front page..Same goes for Magic, Kareem, Oscar, or any other GOAT candidate...

[jlip]

Nice find, haven't seen this before.

ISH poster, PHILA is the owner of that Youtube channel. It's his video.

[senelcoolidge]

They dribble the ball better than a lot today's NBA players. They didn't even travel or palm the ball. A lot of guys should take note of this video.

[9erempiree]

Wilt would destroy this era of weak centers. Who's going to stop him? Dwight Howard?

If Wilt played in this era, he would be considered the greatest of all time.

[thesnowman22]

What people always forget is the opposite of the the "joel Anthony would go back and dominate" argument.

With the advancement of the human race and modern training techniques, Bill Russell would probably be 7'0, 265 now. Wilt would be a beast. It goes both ways.

Doesn't completely even out things, but it is a thing to consider, and usually isn't.

[CavaliersFTW]

What people always forget is the opposite of the the "joel Anthony would go back and dominate" argument.

With the advancement of the human race and modern training techniques, Bill Russell would probably be 7'0, 265 now. Wilt would be a beast. It goes both ways.

Doesn't completely even out things, but it is a thing to consider, and usually isn't.
See, now this is silly... Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain and other players from their era were not starved to near death as children, their growth was not stunted - they would not be any taller today. Bill Russell is STILL ALIVE for crying out loud, he's a 100% modern human. And humans born after him aren't superior humans. FFS humans today are near-as-makes-no-difference identical genetically to humans even 5,000 years back. There are 7-0 mummified bodies from a thousand years back you saying they'd be 8 feet tall if they had been a part of this "advancement of the human race" you speak of?

By the way, Joel Anthony is 6 foot 7 w/o shoes. He wouldn't be going back and beasting on anyone. He's a product of an expanded league playing on a small-ball team during an era where "dominant" big men are virtually extinct.

[LAZERUSS]

9-13 year old kids (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soLH6bau9uo)from the 1960's performing Globetrotter and And 1 dribbling antics

Fantastic footage.

And yet a prime Jerry West has been ripped here by others for his supposed inability to dribble with his left hand. The same West who was scoing 30-40+ ppg in the playoffs.

I have said it before, but Maravich was doing things with a basketball, in the 60's, that still haven't been duplicated. And yet, no one from that era would have ever ranked him above West or Oscar.

In any case, this footage, of 9-13 year old kids, pretty much shreds the argument that the NBA, and basketball in general, was in it's "infancy."

[Inactive]

See, now this is silly... Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain and other players from their era were not starved to near death as children, their growth was not stunted - they would not be any taller today. Bill Russell is STILL ALIVE for crying out loud, he's a 100% modern human. And humans born after him aren't superior humans. FFS humans today are near-as-makes-no-difference identical genetically to humans even 5,000 years back. There are 7-0 mummified bodies from a thousand years back you saying they'd be 8 feet tall if they had been a part of this "advancement of the human race" you speak of?
This. People in Bill Russell's age group are about an inch and a half shorter than today's 27-36 year olds. Some of that difference is probably from degradation of posture due to age.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr010.pdf

[CavaliersFTW]

This. People in Bill Russell's age group are about an inch and a half shorter than today's 27-36 year olds. Some of that difference is probably from degradation of posture due to age.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr010.pdf
Probably all of it is, my dad (who is in advanced age) has visibly lost about almost a full inch of height in just the past 10 years. I don't know if you can put an exact number on it as every person is different but I heard something like you can loose a half inch of height every decade after the age of 40.