The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on racism

[MavsSuperFan]

The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on the issue of racism

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/07/the-daily-show-illustrates-the-cleft-between-black-and-white-americans-on-the-issue-of-racism/

Basically on a scale of how much racial progress we have made in this country from 0% = fully racist, 100 = full equality

The white people all thought racism wasn't a big deal anymore and that America had made a lot of progression on eliminating racism. The white people tended to rate America a 50 - 75 on that scale.

The black people all thought racism was a major factor in America and that very little progression had been made towards eliminating racism. The numbers given were a high of 12 to a low of negative 25. One girl thought that racism had gotten worse.

On a that scale of 0 - 100 where do you think we are?

I say 60-75%

[Myth]

Racism is a huge issue still. Go to Yahoo and read the comments on most any article. And white people in general are pretty ignorant on this due to white privilege.

[MavsSuperFan]

Racism is a huge issue still. Go to Yahoo and read the comments on most any article. And white people in general are pretty ignorant on this due to white privilege.

Ya you will get trolls on the internet, but these are people that probably live in their parents basements. There are also hicks that live in backwater swamps. I dont think these people have that much power to affect the lives of black people.

I will admit to being surprised that the black people in that clip thought that racism was that big of a hindrance in the their daily lives. I would appreciate some examples from peoples lives where they felt their race has held them back or disadvantaged them. Just for educational purposes. Race is such a touchy issue its hard to discuss.

[riseagainst]

there still is, but minorities tend to over exaggerate and say anything used against them is racism.

[Myth]

Ya you will get trolls on the internet, but these are people that probably live in their parents basements. There are also hicks that live in backwater swamps. I dont think these people have that much power to affect the lives of black people.

I will admit to being surprised that the black people in that clip thought that racism was that big of a hindrance in the their daily lives. I would appreciate some examples from peoples lives where they felt their race has held them back or disadvantaged them. Just for educational purposes. Race is such a touchy issue its hard to discuss.

Hicks that live in backwater swamps are still in America.

In only three months of being with a black girl, I have discovered that half of my family are covert racists. Tons of assumptions and ignorance that I did not know existed in my own family. Again, that is in 3 months with a family that I have always known to be accepting (well, I knew my dad was a bit prejudice already, but was surprised by the reactions of others in my family).

[Myth]

there still is, but minorities tend to over exaggerate and say anything used against them is racism.

Nice broad generalization there, I'm sure comments like that have no affect on racism in our society ;)

[MavsSuperFan]

there still is, but minorities tend to over exaggerate and say anything used against them is racism.


Racism is a huge issue still. Go to Yahoo and read the comments on most any article. And white people in general are pretty ignorant on this due to white privilege.

Just for my personal educational purposes and because I want to alleviate my ignorance on this issue could you guys give me your opinions on that scale of where you feel we are in America today?

0 being completely racist and almost impossible to succeed without being white. (what america was for a long time)

100 being completely equal and race not being a factor at all in whether you succeed or fail.

I think we are somewhere in the rage of 60-75. There is still some disadvantages but primarily you are judged on your capabilities today.

[gigantes]

one of them said it worse? worse than WHEN, exactly?

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[MavsSuperFan]

Hicks that live in backwater swamps are still in America.

In only three months of being with a black girl, I have discovered that half of my family are covert racists. Tons of assumptions and ignorance that I did not know existed in my own family. Again, that is in 3 months with a family that I have always known to be accepting (well, I knew my dad was a bit prejudice already, but was surprised by the reactions of others in my family).
Do people in your family your age or younger have a problem with it? Some of this imo is a generational problem and racism will become less and less of a problem as older people die off.

[MavsSuperFan]

[QUOTE=gigantes]one of them said it worse? worse than WHEN, exactly?

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[Rasheed1]

Ya you will get trolls on the internet, but these are people that probably live in their parents basements. There are also hicks that live in backwater swamps. I dont think these people have that much power to affect the lives of black people.

I will admit to being surprised that the black people in that clip thought that racism was that big of a hindrance in the their daily lives. I would appreciate some examples from peoples lives where they felt their race has held them back or disadvantaged them. Just for educational purposes. Race is such a touchy issue its hard to discuss.


Here I'll name a few real quick..

Went down south street recently... Me and My wife went to eat (My wife is Italian).. We eat in the restaurant and then we get ready to leave.. We both go to the bathroom I come out before her so I wait... She comes out fuming mad.. She says this white lady in the bathroom asked if she was "OK" and did she need help.. Apparently the white lady assumed the black guy (me) waiting outside the bathroom for her was causing her problems..

Me and & the wife go downtown... I wanted to hit the apple store real quick.. We find a parking spot, but there is this white lady standing in it ..... She says we cannot park there because her husband is coming and she is saving it for him.. I tell her "you cant save a spot like that" and I ask her to move.. She pitches a fit and refuses to move.. after a minute of arguing, I just start back into the spot and telling her move... She gets out of the way, but she is furious.. We get the spot and walk to the store.. She follows behind us giving threats about keying my wife's car (Which had my woman ready to fight) and threats about me going to jail because her husband is a cop (I think she was lying) We ignore her and go in the store (there is crowd growing at this point because she is yelling)..We come out of the store and this lady has summoned a cop. she tells the cop to arrest me because I called her a racial slur :oldlol: ... the people who are standing around disagree with her.. I call her crazy.. the cop gets mad at ME and threatens to take me in (while the lady is yelling at me over his shoulder..he pretends he cannot hear her). At that point I realize this is a ridiculous situation we just get in the car and roll out before the cop takes any real action.. the lady's husband just shows up when we were pulling out and asks "Hey honey, what the problem?" :roll: I felt bad for the guy because his wife was such a lying sh*tstarter.

I can think of a alot more, most are mundane (getting pulled over by the cops for driving a nice car and being told I got pulled over because my license plate was crooked :rolleyes: )...

The funny thing is that I know white people know deep down inside that there is still alot of racism in America.. My brother in law is a cop (I know he knows).. His cop friend trained their big ass dog to attack black people..

there are people on my wife's side of the family who obviously have a problem with black people in general.. They dont say too much though because I have a good relationship with her father and her mother...

[Myth]

Just for my personal educational purposes and because I want to alleviate my ignorance on this issue could you guys give me your opinions on that scale of where you feel we are in America today?

0 being completely racist and almost impossible to succeed without being white. (what america was for a long time)

100 being completely equal and race not being a factor at all in whether you succeed or fail.

I think we are somewhere in the rage of 60-75. There is still some disadvantages but primarily you are judged on your capabilities today.

Just to be clear, your scale is different from the video. I'd say about 50 if we are talking about "success" as you mentioned, and most of what keeps that down is based on a culture that was set up by white people generations ago that permeates through the educational system today, including differing expectations of black youth (I'm not just talking about being treated differently in the classroom, but I'm including parents who don't push education as much because what they were raised with in a white dominated society). Once it gets to the job interview if you have succeeded in academics, then I'd agree that you are judged on your capabilities in most situations.

However, the video asks for a scale of eliminating racism, which I would put that answer down to about 20-25. There are daily reminders of racial issues if you are not a white person blindly walking in a mostly white world.

[Myth]

Do people in your family your age or younger have a problem with it? Some of this imo is a generational problem and racism will become less and less of a problem as older people die off.

No, everybody my age (29) and younger seems fine with it. However, I do notice that on my Facebook pics of me and her, I get less likes from cousins my age than I did when I was with another white person. I would say that tons of it is a generational problem, but it hasn't skipped my generation completely. I do think it will be less and less of a problem, just like it has become less and less of a problem over the decades already.

[Rasheed1]

I tend to think the internet gives a more extreme impression of what actually exists in rl in almost all circumstances. racism/sexual preferences/etc. The sample online is skewed is what I meant. Eg. Racists tended to loudly celebrate the death of trayvon there by making society overall seem more racist than it actually is. (full disclosure I thought not guilty was the correct verdict, but I think zim is a coward and didn't think trayvon had done anything in his life that deserved to die for.)


Do you think they are just joking or do you think the internet simply gives them the freedom to say things they wouldnt dare say in public?

[Heilige]

[QUOTE=gigantes]one of them said it worse? worse than WHEN, exactly?

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[Myth]

The funny thing is that I know white people know deep down inside that there is still alot of racism in America..



I think most know there is a problem of racism in America, but most don't understand how much racism still exists. Most of it has been pushed to a covert level and includes tons of bias and being oblivious rather than straight up racists.

[Myth]

Do you think they are just joking or do you think the internet simply gives them the freedom to say things they wouldnt dare say in public?

If you read the comments on Yahoo, the ones that get most of the attention seem pretty genuine in their racism and ignorance. Homosexual topics draw even more comments. You will see how many will talk about the "Gay agenda" and sarcastic comments about coming out as straight to belittle the articles. I point out this as a further example of people seeming to be genuine in lots of the posts on that site.

[Rasheed1]

I think most know there is a problem of racism in America, but most don't understand how much racism still exists. Most of it has been pushed to a covert level and includes tons of bias and being oblivious rather than straight up racists.

I can relate it to myself in this way... My wife says she gets dirty looks from black women all the time... I believe her, but it seems that I almost never see it myself..

I dont doubt that it happens, but it isnt a problem that I think about because they usually do it when my back is turned or something like that..

[97 bulls]

@Mavsfan

Have you seen this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7i60GuNRg

[Myth]

I can relate it to myself in this way... My wife says she gets dirty looks from black women all the time... I believe her, but it seems that almost never see it myself..

I dont doubt that it happens, but it isnt a problem that I think about because they usually do it when my back is turned or something like that..

Reminds me of a couple months ago when I was walking behind a couple of guys holding hands. They passed a lady coming out of her house and after she was no longer in their view, she gave them this glare of disgust. The couple had no idea she reacted that way. I was tempted to call her out, but I didn't want to ruin the day (or that moment) for the couple.

[Myth]

@Mavsfan

Have you seen this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7i60GuNRg

I love that show. Only show that moves me to tears.

Old and long, but relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeK759FF84s

[gigantes]

I tend to think the internet gives a more extreme impression of what actually exists in rl in almost all circumstances. racism/sexual preferences/etc. The sample online is skewed is what I meant. Eg. Racists tended to loudly celebrate the death of trayvon there by making society overall seem more racist than it actually is.
hey! it's a well-known phenomenon. but by the same token, it does seem to show what happens when people are allowed to talk and act in a more 'real' way. they didn't really need the internet when it comes down to it... that's just the specific method we're privy to getting their 'real' thoughts. meaning it could also be like talking to someone who's had a few, or overhearing two people who think they're speaking in privacy.

but on the net, in this case, those people definitely seemed to feel safety in their numbers.

point is, it does raise the question for me of what happens when peoples' restraints are lessened. all kinds of mildly difficult and stressful situations tend to lead to that, with the actions that we see all around us and read in the news. in short, where there's smoke, there's fire.

[97 bulls]

Racism is still just as prevalent. Its just more of an undertone. More undercover. More stereotyping. You wont hear very many whites calling blacks the "N" word, but they will view them as a criminal or lesser than them until proven wrong

[AlphaWolf24]

______ ism is alive and well everywhere I been....

- I lived in Japan and saw many signs " No Americans/Foreigners " allowed

- I got slapped in a grocery store in Hiroshima ( for being American I guess)

- Taiwan I almost got beat to death for making out with a Taiwanese chick in a Bar ( I guess it had a few Chinese Mafia cats who liked her)

- as a kid riding home on our bikes after ballin...occasionally getting called N____(hard R's)....( shit like that F's with kids anyway you look at it)

- I would say the world is F'ed up beyond recognition....just try and maintain :confusedshrug:

[COnDEMnED]

To the lady who said racism was worse today...I say what's the worst racist thing that happened to her? She got called the N word? Back in the day, her ancestors would vote for that option 10 times out of 10.

I had a friend one time who told me blacks can't look forward to a racist free America until they get over a racist filled past. Maybe there was some truth to that. He was black, so don't even jump on me

[ALBballer]

Well racism does exist but so do other forms of discriminations. The problem is there cant be any honest discussion on the subject and most white people prefer to ignore the elephant in the room. Instead there is a PC world with laws set to solve racism but neither fix the issue.

I can find all sorts of daily situations where I think I have been discriminated against. I had a gas store owner lcok the doors on me and ask me to return the stolen goods although i didnt have anything. I had a cop ask to search my bag and made a comment like oh you just have books in there. I have a ton more. If i was black i would have attributed it to racism.

[Rasheed1]

hey! it's a well-known phenomenon. but by the same token, it does seem to show what happens when people are allowed to talk and act in a more 'real' way. they didn't really need the internet when it comes down to it... that's just the specific method we're privy to getting their 'real' thoughts. meaning it could also be like talking to someone who's had a few, or overhearing two people who think they're speaking in privacy.

My moments come through my wife.. She tells me that she can go to a store by herself and the white people in the store will be so nice and friendly to her...but if she ever comes back to that store with me? they never speak to her again..

Her mom's boyfriend is a white guy who I get along with pretty well, but he has the habit of always asking black white questions..

"How come black people get to say this, and white's dont"

those types of questions.. It doesnt really bother me, just lets me get an idea of how much white people think about these issues.. Its seems like they think about MORE than black people

When you hang around black people, they dont discuss white people so much as they co sign each other's experiences..

"you know how racist they are over that side of town"

"Girl, you know I know"


My wife tells me often about people at work or in public who will say racist things to her (if Im not around) and not realize that she is offended.. they they think they are speaking to someone who feels the same way.

I work in the a diverse setting and my co workers love me, so I can bring her around my functions and have her pictures up..

But she works in a bank with mostly white people so she doesnt put pictures up and I dont go to her work functions.. Only a select few of her co-workers know Im black because we are scared that it would effect her job if the wrong people found out..

[-p.tiddy-]

I can relate it to myself in this way... My wife says she gets dirty looks from black women all the time... I believe her, but it seems that I almost never see it myself..

I dont doubt that it happens, but it isnt a problem that I think about because they usually do it when my back is turned or something like that..
Are you sure them being black has anything at all to do with the dirty looks?

Not pointing fingers here, but many blacks suffer from turning things into a race issue that simply was not a race issue...

[Raymone]

Here I'll name a few real quick..

Went down south street recently... Me and My wife went to eat (My wife is Italian).. We eat in the restaurant and then we get ready to leave.. We both go to the bathroom I come out before her so I wait... She comes out fuming mad.. She says this white lady in the bathroom asked if she was "OK" and did she need help.. Apparently the white lady assumed the black guy (me) waiting outside the bathroom for her was causing her problems..

Me and & the wife go downtown... I wanted to hit the apple store real quick.. We find a parking spot, but there is this white lady standing in it ..... She says we cannot park there because her husband is coming and she is saving it for him.. I tell her "you cant save a spot like that" and I ask her to move.. She pitches a fit and refuses to move.. after a minute of arguing, I just start back into the spot and telling her move... She gets out of the way, but she is furious.. We get the spot and walk to the store.. She follows behind us giving threats about keying my wife's car (Which had my woman ready to fight) and threats about me going to jail because her husband is a cop (I think she was lying) We ignore her and go in the store (there is crowd growing at this point because she is yelling)..We come out of the store and this lady has summoned a cop. she tells the cop to arrest me because I called her a racial slur :oldlol: ... the people who are standing around disagree with her.. I call her crazy.. the cop gets mad at ME and threatens to take me in (while the lady is yelling at me over his shoulder..he pretends he cannot hear her). At that point I realize this is a ridiculous situation we just get in the car and roll out before the cop takes any real action.. the lady's husband just shows up when we were pulling out and asks "Hey honey, what the problem?" :roll: I felt bad for the guy because his wife was such a lying sh*tstarter.

I can think of a alot more, most are mundane (getting pulled over by the cops for driving a nice car and being told I got pulled over because my license plate was crooked :rolleyes: )..

The first one is probably racism, but with very insignificant repercussions. Essentially your wife getting upset.

Your second story is definitely not about racism. It's about you being a dick and a woman getting rightfully mad. Since when can't you save a parking space for someone? She can occupy any parking space she wants, whether she's using it for herself or saving it for someone else. Forcefully driving into an occupied space is not only a dick move but a potentially illegal one. If that were me, I'd wait until your car made contact with my body and then press charges for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Yep, a vehicle and concrete can both be used as deadly weapons.

[Raymone]

I have one question. When was the last time a black person was lynched in the United States?

If the worst thing we can find today are complaints about subtle glances or suggestions of racism, I'd say it hardly exists today on the level that it used to. Black people today like to use the racism card when they feel treated unfairly but that doesn't mean it's actually racism. Everybody gets treated unfairly (unless you're ultra rich). I've been pulled over for bogus reasons by a black cop. Didn't think it was racism.

[dr.hee]

______ ism is alive and well everywhere I been....

- I lived in Japan and saw many signs " No Americans/Foreigners " allowed

- I got slapped in a grocery store in Hiroshima ( for being American I guess)

- Taiwan I almost got beat to death for making out with a Taiwanese chick in a Bar ( I guess it had a few Chinese Mafia cats who liked her)

- as a kid riding home on our bikes after ballin...occasionally getting called N____(hard R's)....( shit like that F's with kids anyway you look at it)

I would say the world is F'ed up beyond recognition....just try and maintain :confusedshrug

This. With all the messed up sh*t you can see in the news or on some websites that show you executions or stuff like that, you basically have to realize that we're more or less animals that (in our wealth western world) learned to behave more sophisticated as long as it's for personal gain. Without our modern standard of living keeping us calm, it's total madness all over again.

Most people won't admit it, but racism is a natural reaction. It's the first thing that comes to mind for many people. There's something I'm not used to? Must be dangerous. Our brains really aren't built for making much sense. So I'd say you have to force a lot of people into behaving in the "right" way, because they won't figure it out on their own. Political correctness is a huge load of bs.
Should someone be ashamed if he's disgusted by another skin color/sexuality/whatever? That's not the problem, it's natural. I think if you can accept this, it's easier to reflect and notice that this feeling is your own problem, so you can leave other people the f*ck alone. That's why I think it's important to not be politically correct. If someone is racist, he should be open about it so others can explain to him why it doesn't make sense.

[reppy]

I'm friends with an older guy that had a black mom and a white dad. You probably wouldn't be able to tell by looking at him, though. Every now and then we'll shoot the breeze on personal stuff, and he was telling me how he always hated it how whenever the kids would go out to the park with their mom, the other parents just "assumed that she was the maid taking the kids out to the park." I could tell that shit really hurt him, too. He was getting all misty eyed telling me the story.

Times have changed a lot since then, but it wasn't really that long ago.

But even to this day, he gets to hear what some white people think about black people. They don't realize he had a black mom and so they feel it's completely okay to be racist towards blacks around him.

My brother is dating a black girl. She's a cool chick. Smart, dresses classy, good sense of humor, etc. They went out to the beach on the West coast in Washington state. My bro had picked out a really nice restaurant to celebrate her birthday. The place was busy, so they waited for awhile after being seated by the hostess. The waitress completely snubbed them and they were left waiting for an hour. They had to request the hostess bring their soup. Eventually they were fed up and left.

Was the waitress being racist? I have a hard time believing she just completely "forgot" about someone for an hour.

All I know is I've never been snubbed like that at a restaurant. And I know I've looked pretty suspect at times.

[Graviton]

I have one question. When was the last time a black person was lynched in the United States?

If the worst thing we can find today are complaints about subtle glances or suggestions of racism, I'd say it hardly exists today on the level that it used to. Black people today like to use the racism card when they feel treated unfairly but that doesn't mean it's actually racism. Everybody gets treated unfairly (unless you're ultra rich). I've been pulled over for bogus reasons by a black cop. Didn't think it was racism.
1st world issues, this so called racism in USA is just subtle and not really violent or serious. It's obvious black people here haven't been anywhere else. Try living in Russia and encountering their skinhead gangs on the street that will jump you without giving a shit and beat the shit outta you or stab you. And they do that to not only black people but to anyone who isn't Russian. Rest of the world is much more dangerous and aggressive with their racism, but oh God forbid you are profiled or your feelings are hurt it's the worst thing ever. You guys have no idea how much better America is when it comes to racism compared to most of the world. But people will find anything to bitch about these days, no matter how minor.

[Myth]

Well racism does exist but so do other forms of discriminations. The problem is there cant be any honest discussion on the subject and most white people prefer to ignore the elephant in the room. Instead there is a PC world with laws set to solve racism but neither fix the issue.

I can find all sorts of daily situations where I think I have been discriminated against. I had a gas store owner lcok the doors on me and ask me to return the stolen goods although i didnt have anything. I had a cop ask to search my bag and made a comment like oh you just have books in there. I have a ton more. If i was black i would have attributed it to racism.

What do you think you were discriminated against for?

[miller-time]

Are you sure them being black has anything at all to do with the dirty looks?

Not pointing fingers here, but many blacks suffer from turning things into a race issue that simply was not a race issue...

I would say this probably explains some parts of it. Not to dismiss her, but in the same way a lot of feminists see and explain every social interaction through the lens of patriarchy, some black (or other racial minority groups) people will do the same with racism.

[Raymone]

1st world issues, this so called racism in USA is just subtle and not really violent or serious. It's obvious black people here haven't been anywhere else. Try living in Russia and encountering their skinhead gangs on the street that will jump you without giving a shit and beat the shit outta you or stab you. And they do that to not only black people but to anyone who isn't Russian. Rest of the world is much more dangerous and aggressive with their racism, but oh God forbid you are profiled or your feelings are hurt it's the worst thing ever. You guys have no idea how much better America is when it comes to racism compared to most of the world. But people will find anything to bitch about these days, no matter how minor.

I completely agree.

If people think racism against blacks in the U.S. today is a 5 out of 10, then it's easily a 15 out of 10 in the rest of the world. With actions too, not just words that get panties in a bunch.

[Graviton]

I completely agree.

If people think racism against blacks in the U.S. today is a 5 out of 10, then it's easily a 15 out of 10 in the rest of the world. With actions too, not just words that get panties in a bunch.
If they feel it's that bad they can always move somewhere else, try living in nations with no laws to protect you from actual violent racists.

[-p.tiddy-]

today's 'racism' it is more of just 'classism' where there might be discrimination based upon what whites or others think someone's background is and not because people think there is something inherently wrong or different with any human race, where I do very much think that was the case during the slave days, back then I think many whites (as well as asians and other races) literally thought blacks were inferior human beings.

If certain white people are scared of blacks or won't hire a black employee over a white or just treat blacks differently in general it is because they are basing it off the odds that you are from a poor neighborhood, were around drug dealers, etc. The moment white people see a black person act 'white' so to speak, they are not threatened in the least. Not the white people I know anyway.

Hip Hop culture isn't doing the black community any favors with how blacks are perceived by whites either...

Anyway, today it is just all based around money now, and it the center of it is the fact that whites currently hold more money than blacks and whites will continue to pass their wealth down to their children not because they are white but because they are family. Black families need to create their own wealth, it might be harder for blacks to create wealth than whites but life isn't fair.

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Professor: "Williams

[Myth]

Are you sure them being black has anything at all to do with the dirty looks?

Not pointing fingers here, but many blacks suffer from turning things into a race issue that simply was not a race issue...

Even if a specific look wasn't due to a race issue, the fact that people still question if that is why they are getting a look shows that there is a race issue. Simply questioning how you are perceived based on race shows that racism still exists.

[Myth]

I have one question. When was the last time a black person was lynched in the United States?

If the worst thing we can find today are complaints about subtle glances or suggestions of racism, I'd say it hardly exists today on the level that it used to. Black people today like to use the racism card when they feel treated unfairly but that doesn't mean it's actually racism. Everybody gets treated unfairly (unless you're ultra rich). I've been pulled over for bogus reasons by a black cop. Didn't think it was racism.

:facepalm

[Myth]

But even to this day, he gets to hear what some white people think about black people. They don't realize he had a black mom and so they feel it's completely okay to be racist towards blacks around him.


Because I'm white I hear people say shit about black people, and it offends the shit out of me. I can only imagine if I had experienced discrimination first hand as a black person and then heard that shit.

Even when people aren't meant to be hurtful like when telling racist jokes, it says something that they often choose to do so when they aren't with their black friends. A semi-friend of mine a couple weeks ago told a joke and I reminded him that my gf is black right after he told it. He then got very worried when I told him I was going to tell her the joke and inform her that he was the one who said it. Admittedly, I knew she would laugh and was f*cking with him intentionally to make him worried because he doesn't really know her or her sense of humor.

[miller-time]

Simply questioning how you are perceived based on race shows that racism still exists.

Or social conditioning for perceiving racism exists. I'd hazard a guess and say more people are told the N-word is a bad word than experience having the N-word used against them. Their negative reaction to the word stems from the perception of racism rather than the experience of racism.

How much is in-group conditioning constructing the beliefs and perceptions about out-groups?

I could be wrong on that one though, more of a passing thought.

[-p.tiddy-]

who gives a fck about what people "say" or "dirty looks" ?

I've had blacks mean mug me plenty of times and I never care about it enough to throw out "OMG he hates me because I'm white!"

I've heard blacks talk ill of white people, even my own black friends...never gave a fck really

sticks and stones...


I mean really if you're going to complain about racism then let be about not getting a job or something that actually means something.

[Rasheed1]

Are you sure them being black has anything at all to do with the dirty looks?

Not pointing fingers here, but many blacks suffer from turning things into a race issue that simply was not a race issue...

I didnt say the looks are due racism... Im relating it to fact that I dont see it, so it doesnt register in my mind..

Im trying to see where people who pretend racism doesnt exist are coming from.. Because I dont see it.. I might downplay it bit more than she likes..

[Rasheed1]

:facepalm

that dude is a troll who rivals my shadow.. ignore him.. he's probably an alt..

[Myth]

Or social conditioning for perceiving racism exists. I'd hazard a guess and say more people are told the N-word is a bad word than experience having the N-word used against them. Their negative reaction to the word stems from the perception of racism rather than the experience of racism.

How much is in-group conditioning constructing the beliefs and perceptions about out-groups?

I could be wrong on that one though, more of a passing thought.

That is probably true of the N-word for many. But racism isn't just about that word being used.


who gives a fck about what people "say" or "dirty looks" ?

I've had blacks mean mug me plenty of times and I never care about it enough to throw out "OMG he hates me because I'm white!"

I've heard blacks talk ill of white people, even my own black friends...never gave a fck really

sticks and stones...


I mean really if you're going to complain about racism then let be about not getting a job or something that actually means something.

A perfect example of white privilege. People who are in a position of never being oppressed don't react as strongly because the racism used against them has never done serious harm against them. For example, the word "Cracker." I've heard white people say "I've never cared if others use that word against me. But even the meaning of the word comes from a place of white people being in control ("Cracker" comes from the idea of white people being the ones that "cracked" the whips).

[Myth]

that dude is a troll who rivals my shadow.. ignore him.. he's probably an alt..

Which was why I simply posted a emoticon versus a thought out response. There was another post that I simply ignored completely for the same reason of it being blatantly bad.

[Rasheed1]

That is probably true of the N-word for many. But racism isn't just about that word being used.

most of the racism I face doesnt deal with something as blatant as the "n" word.

White people are waay too scared to say that word to my face...


Its occurs in situations like I explained.. Where people treat loved ones differently if Im around or my wife not being able to trust her employers because they have said racist things in the past and she doesnt want them to know Im black because it might cost her job

[Balla_Status]

I like how Myth gets a psych degree and suddenly becomes an authority on everything.

[-p.tiddy-]

I didnt say the looks are due racism... Im relating it to fact that I dont see it, so it doesnt register in my mind..

Im trying to see where people who pretend racism doesnt exist are coming from.. Because I dont see it.. I might downplay it bit more than she likes..
okay gotcha

[Myth]

most of the racism I face doesnt deal with something as blatant as the "n" word.

White people are waay too scared to say that word to my face...


Its occurs in situations like I explained.. Where people treat loved ones differently if Im around or my wife not being able to trust her employers because they have said racist things in the past and she doesnt want them to know Im black because it might cost her job

Yeah. As I said, racism today is more covert and about bias. Even when I'm only around white people, nobody drops a hard N.

[Myth]

I like how Myth gets a psych degree and suddenly becomes an authority on everything.

:lol

I only claim to be an authority on things I have actually spent much time learning about. Diversity happens to have been one of the strongest focuses in my 10 years of studying psychology (Diversity and relationships were my two strongest focuses). However, even when talking about race and minorities, I don't claim to be an authority. I talk primarily from a position of an intellectual understanding of the experience of minorities. As much as I understand lots of this intellectually, I won't have the experience of fully understanding the experience.

[miller-time]

That is probably true of the N-word for many. But racism isn't just about that word being used.

Well that was just a specific example. In general it would be lessons about distrust and over analyzing the behavior of white people. Learning that a group of people are inherently racist (as opposed to experiencing racism from them) will probably make you see them that way.


A perfect example of white privilege. People who are in a position of never being oppressed don't react as strongly because the racism used against them has never done serious harm against them. For example, the word "Cracker." I've heard white people say "I've never cared if others use that word against me. But even the meaning of the word comes from a place of white people being in control ("Cracker" comes from the idea of white people being the ones that "cracked" the whips).

Louis CK - http://youtu.be/TG4f9zR5yzY?t=1m58s

[-p.tiddy-]

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A perfect example of white privilege. People who are in a position of never being oppressed don't react as strongly because the racism used against them has never done serious harm against them. For example, the word "Cracker." I've heard white people say "I've never cared if others use that word against me. But even the meaning of the word comes from a place of white people being in control ("Cracker" comes from the idea of white people being the ones that "cracked" the whips).
I disagree...I think brushing off bad names and dirty looks is an adult thing, not a race thing

someone looked at your black girlfriend with a mean grin?...who gives a shit, move on

[miller-time]

someone looked at your black girlfriend with a mean grin?...who gives a shit, move on

That is good advice if it happens once or twice, but if it happens a lot then it is going to build up. No matter how adult you are, you can only take so much nonsense from other people.

[Jameerthefear]

I have a bad experiences with racism. I just kind of laugh about 'em now.

[Graviton]

I have a bad experiences with racism. I just kind of laugh about 'em now.
You live in Alabama though, that's expected. :oldlol:

[Miss Bella]

most of the racism I face doesnt deal with something as blatant as the "n" word.

White people are waay too scared to say that word to my face...


Its occurs in situations like I explained.. Where people treat loved ones differently if Im around or my wife not being able to trust her employers because they have said racist things in the past and she doesnt want them to know Im black because it might cost her job

Who is the racist now?

[Myth]

Louis CK - http://youtu.be/TG4f9zR5yzY?t=1m58s

I love Louis. His comedy is so honest and spot on.

As to the other part, I agree that is part of it, but the actual lived experience of it being there can't help.

[Myth]

I have a bad experiences with racism. I just kind of laugh about 'em now.

Good coping skills :applause:

[Rasheed1]

Who is the racist now?


Like I said already, I have white family members so, I know when certain people use the "n" word...

My wife or my mother in law will tell me about people who we both know who drop the "n" word like its hot..

Hmmmmm. Ive been around these people and they dont seem to do that when Im around.. :confusedshrug: I wonder why that is?

Suddenly they have a nice check on their lip when they see me.. :oldlol:

[Jameerthefear]

You live in Alabama though, that's expected. :oldlol:
yeah some of it really can hurt though. i've gotten close to people, but then i learn they still dont feel like we're equals y'know? i've had a lot of good experiences with older white people though. a huge majority of the time their really nice :D

[Miss Bella]

Like I said already, I have white family members so, I know when certain people use the "n" word...

My wife or my mother in law will tell me about people who we both know who drop the "n" word like its hot..

Hmmmmm. Ive been around these people and they dont seem to do that when Im around.. :confusedshrug: I wonder why that is?

Suddenly they have a nice check on their lip when they see me.. :oldlol:

But seeing your stories of alleged racism your generalizing and calling all white people scared is also racism. I thought you, who have been through so much oppression would be above this crap. After all an old lady did scream at you, the horror!:(

[Rasheed1]

But seeing your stories of alleged racism your generalizing and calling all white people scared is also racism. I thought you, who have been through so much oppression would be above this crap. After all an old lady did scream at you. the horror.


I didnt say ALL white people... get your reading comprehension up...

secondly.. me believing that white people are scared to say a racist slur to my face doesnt make me a racist :roll:




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[miller-time]

secondly.. me believing that white people are scared to say a racist slur to my face doesnt make me a racist :roll:

You should preface it by saying "some white people" or "most white people" otherwise it comes across as a generalization.

[Rasheed1]

You should preface it by saying "some white people" or "most white people" otherwise it comes across as a generalization.


OK "some" white people

But even with that, how does that equal racism?

a generalization does not = racism..

Me saying saying someone is scared to say a slur to my face doesnt make me a racist... :oldlol: thats silly

[Miss Bella]

OK "some" white people

But even with that, how does that equal racism?

a generalization does not = racism..

Me saying saying someone is scared to say a slur to my face doesnt make me a racist... :oldlol: thats silly

No, what is silly is you seeing racism in an old lady saving a parking spot for her husband and I will not argue if it was right or not.

I was just being generous as you in using the "R" word.

[Rasheed1]

No, what is silly is you seeing racism in an old lady saving a parking spot for her husband and I will not argue if it was right or not.


She told the cop I called her racial slur when my wife is white.. :oldlol: and there was people around who called her on that lie... She lied

then the cop ignored her screaming over his shoulder and acted like I was the one driving the confrontation when we were walking to our car the whole time..

She was clearly p*ssed because I took the parking spot so she concocted a racial lie to get the cop to arrest me..

It didnt work though, because we basically ignored them and left before it got out of hand..

:confusedshrug:






.

[reppy]

Rasheed1, you're being insensitive to the crazed, the maniacs, the militant white supremacists, etc, etc.

SOME OF THEM WOULD SAY IT TO YOUR FACE!

:lol :D

[Miss Bella]

She told the cop I called her racial slur when my wife is white.. :oldlol: and there was people around who called her on that lie... She lied

then the cop ignored her screaming over his shoulder and acted like I was the one driving the confrontation when we were walking to our car the whole time..

She was clearly p*ssed because I took the parking spot so she concocted a racial lie to get the cop to arrest me..

It didnt work though, because we basically ignored them and left before it got out of hand..

:confusedshrug:






.

So she said you used racial slurs which makes it racism? got it.

[Raymone]

Some black people are perpetual victims. They'll never drop the victim mentality and cries of racism because it's an easy and handy cop out.

[Rasheed1]

So she said you used racial slurs which makes it racism? got it.


good :cheers:

[miller-time]

OK "some" white people

But even with that, how does that equal racism?

a generalization does not = racism..

Me saying saying someone is scared to say a slur to my face doesnt make me a racist... :oldlol: thats silly

Racism is built on generalizations and stereotypes. Allow yourself some wiggle room by only including a segment of a group as opposed to the whole group. Generalizing doesn't make you racist, but it doesn't make you seem objective either.

[Raymone]

So she said you used racial slurs which makes it racism? got it.

:oldlol: Yeah, Rasheed isn't very bright if you hadn't noticed.

Accusations of racism is, in fact, racism itself!

[Miss Bella]

Am I too white to see the racism in Rasheed1 second story?

[Rasheed1]

Racism is built on generalizations and stereotypes. Allow yourself some wiggle room by only including a segment of a group as opposed to the whole group. Generalizing doesn't make you racist, but it doesn't make you seem objective either.


I get the idea of your post, but if you are looking at the context? its totally ridiculous to try and nitpick me for saying "some" white people are scared to say the N word to my face..

Does it make me MORE objective if I say "some" ?

Does that make the statement LESS offensive?

& who gets offended if I say whites are scared to say that word? a racist who is himself scared to say it?

I just wonder where the quarrel with this distinction comes from... :confusedshrug:

[reppy]

Did you guys really miss the ****ing boat on Rasheed1's story?

The cop took the white woman's side. She was being belligerent, yelling and screaming and making up accusations towards him. Meanwhile, the crowd was supporting him.

What do you think would have happened if Rasheed1 was yelling and screaming at this woman, accusing her of calling him a racial slur while the onlookers defended the woman. Do you think the cop would have let him scream and yell behind his back while speaking with the woman?

[miller-time]

I just wonder where the quarrel with this distinction comes from... :confusedshrug:

Just to point out, I wasn't worried about what you said. I knew what you meant. But people will nit pick this kind of thing because it is easy. Whenever I have a debate about anything I try to avoid generalizations because that is what people will bring up and you end up on tangents like this one lol. When you have people that just want to win an argument rather than exchange ideas it makes it easier in the long run to add that wiggle room as I said before. The quarrel from what I can tell comes from point scoring rather than legitimate criticism.

[Bucket_Nakedz]

myf, u dippin in dat chocolate mang? :pimp:

[Rasheed1]

Just to point out, I wasn't worried about what you said. I knew what you meant. But people will nit pick this kind of thing because it is easy. Whenever I have a debate about anything I try to avoid generalizations because that is what people will bring up and you end up on tangents like this one lol. When you have people that just want to win an argument rather than exchange ideas it makes it easier in the long run to add that wiggle room as I said before. The quarrel from what I can tell comes from point scoring rather than legitimate criticism.


:cheers: duly noted..

[Bucket_Nakedz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzwwpQhSdk0

:wtf: .....:eek: .....:rolleyes: .....:facepalm

[andgar923]

Of course whites see it as a non issue, what else is knew? :confusedshrug:

I think things have improved in some areas, but remained the same in others. Overall a slight improvement, but then again, I'm Mexican not black. It's unfair for me to say because I don't live in a black person's shoes every day.

We may see examples of black people being accepted more, but that doesn't mean that things overall are necessarily better.

[MavsSuperFan]

Do you think they are just joking or do you think the internet simply gives them the freedom to say things they wouldnt dare say in public?

Some of it is trolling, sometimes immature people find it fun just to make others mad and they are jackasses that don't censor themselves from sensitive topics.

Eg. I made a thread when I was bored in the NBA forum where I argued that Kwame Brown was better than Havlicek. Also those douche bags that go to places women gather and chant "no means yes and yes means ****". I honestly believe people sometimes act like douches out of boredom.

But ya most of it is people saying stuff that they wouldn't publically. My point was say in a population of 300 million, 3 million held extreme racist beliefs. They would be the ones that make the news for spouting it online. everyone would focus on that and that would give imo a false impression.


Went down south street recently... Me and My wife went to eat (My wife is Italian).. We eat in the restaurant and then we get ready to leave.. We both go to the bathroom I come out before her so I wait... She comes out fuming mad.. She says this white lady in the bathroom asked if she was "OK" and did she need help.. Apparently the white lady assumed the black guy (me) waiting outside the bathroom for her was causing her problems..


Maybe its because I have never had to deal with something like that but I don't think something like that would affect me that much.

The thing with the parking space sucks and the cops suck, but do they really affect your life in the big scheme of things? did it prevent you from getting a job? did it prevent you from living your life? I have had people block parking spaces before, I just go find another most of the time.



The funny thing is that I know white people know deep down inside that there is still alot of racism in America.. My brother in law is a cop (I know he knows).. His cop friend trained their big ass dog to attack black people..

i honestly don't think racism is a huge factor in america. I am not saying there aren't a lot of racists in this country. Of course there are. There are probably a bunch of child molesters, rapists, criminals, thieves, gang members, serial killers, etc. It doesn't define america.

Racism defined america pre 1980s. I think there were a lot of talented black people then that were denied jobs in corporate america because of their race. Based on my personal experience nowadays workplaces try not to look too white and male. They will spend effort to try to project diversity. Have had my bosses ask me to recommend someone and strongly hinted that they didn't want a white male. I just don't think people fail or succeed predominantly today because of their race.

We elected an african american president when african americans are only 12-13 percent of the population. At the very least the vast majority of people in this country aren't racist enough that they wont accept a black man as their president. Also I don't think everyone that voted against obama did it for racial reasons.

Just my personal experience but every racist white person i have met or known has either been old (50+) and/or been a total loser trailer park white trash with zero ability to actually negatively influence a non-white persons life. I tend to think most of these people will be dead in 20 years.

[MavsSuperFan]

Just to be clear, your scale is different from the video. I'd say about 50 if we are talking about "success" as you mentioned, and most of what keeps that down is based on a culture that was set up by white people generations ago that permeates through the educational system today, including differing expectations of black youth (I'm not just talking about being treated differently in the classroom, but I'm including parents who don't push education as much because what they were raised with in a white dominated society). Once it gets to the job interview if you have succeeded in academics, then I'd agree that you are judged on your capabilities in most situations.

However, the video asks for a scale of eliminating racism, which I would put that answer down to about 20-25. There are daily reminders of racial issues if you are not a white person blindly walking in a mostly white world.

I don't see that much difference in the scales. people hate me sometimes. As long as you aren't limiting my job opportunites or living conditions I could care less if someone hates me. I recently bought a residential property and am renting it out. This one lady I eventually was forced to evict, I know for a fact hated me by the end. Doesn't really affect me at all.

racism is only really impactful if it limits opportunities, and negatively affects a persons chances at success. Thats what we should work towards eliminating. there is always going to be trailer park hicks that hate minorities.


No, everybody my age (29) and younger seems fine with it. However, I do notice that on my Facebook pics of me and her, I get less likes from cousins my age than I did when I was with another white person. I would say that tons of it is a generational problem, but it hasn't skipped my generation completely. I do think it will be less and less of a problem, just like it has become less and less of a problem over the decades already.

Racism is almost dead anyways. I have almost met zero young racists. mostly its old people who will die in like 20 years.

[MavsSuperFan]

@Mavsfan

Have you seen this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7i60GuNRg

Admittedly that video made me a sad. personally I would have tried to get some authorities to stop all 3. I hate thieves.

I am not denying that level of racism exists. But does that really limit anything except for black people what want to be bike thieves?

I dont think black people have that huge of disadvantage when the go out seeking employment nowadays is all I am saying. Racism in this country has gotten a lot better. On the scale I laid out, (which no one is using :( ) I thought racism was 60-75% gone, as far as its ability to impact the lives of non-whites. I didnt say 100%. There are always going to be idiot racists, I am just saying they are powerless nowadays. I know people in my personal life that hate me, exs, tenants, 1 former co-worker. Doesn't affect me because they have no power over me. They can't prevent me from living where I like, and I dont think they have the ability to affect my financial prospects

Its like I had a black doctor and dentist back when I lived in dallas, I never thought any less of them than I would have a white doctor or dentist. I don't think most white people nowadays would either.

[Rasheed1]

Maybe its because I have never had to deal with something like that but I don't think something like that would affect me that much.

The thing with the parking space sucks and the cops suck, but do they really affect your life in the big scheme of things? did it prevent you from getting a job? did it prevent you from living your life? I have had people block parking spaces before, I just go find another most of the time.



i honestly don't think racism is a huge factor in america. I am not saying there aren't a lot of racists in this country. Of course there are. There are probably a bunch of child molesters, rapists, criminals, thieves, gang members, serial killers, etc. It doesn't define america.

Racism defined america pre 1980s. I think there were a lot of talented black people then that were denied jobs in corporate america because of their race. Based on my personal experience nowadays workplaces try not to look too white and male. They will spend effort to try to project diversity. Have had my bosses ask me to recommend someone and strongly hinted that they didn't want a white male. I just don't think people fail or succeed predominantly today because of their race.

We elected an african american president when african americans are only 12-13 percent of the population. At the very least the vast majority of people in this country aren't racist enough that they wont accept a black man as their president. Also I don't think everyone that voted against obama did it for racial reasons.

Just my personal experience but every racist white person i have met or known has either been old (50+) and/or been a total loser trailer park white trash with zero ability to actually negatively influence a non-white persons life. I tend to think most of these people will be dead in 20 years.


I respectfully disagree..

I know cops that are racist.. I know people who are CEOs of banks and other companies that have no nice feelings about black people..Like I said, my wife has bosses at her job job who have said racist things (and even sexist things).. Nothing prevents these people from firing her for even being married to a black person.. some white people dont like that sh*t ....

If you look at board of housing complaints? racism is still a big issue.

If you have ever seen the studies where people use black sounding names?

http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html

its still there...

these people who feel this way arent just some old red necks living in a barn somewhere..

j/s

[Raymone]

Victim mentality.

[Myth]

myf, u dippin in dat chocolate mang? :pimp:

:pimp:

[Just2McFly]

Being black is tough. I feel like a lot of people Harbor racist mentalities but are cordial in person. The older I get the more disassociate with white people who are blissfully unaware of how different things are on the other side of the value chart .

[Myth]

Racism is almost dead anyways. I have almost met zero young racists. mostly its old people who will die in like 20 years.

Oh, they are out there. There are people from my high school that I keep on Facebook simply as a way to stay grounded in the f*cked up views some people have. The Zimmerman trial brought out a bunch of racists (as did Obama's elections) from small town Oregon. I can only imagine the south.

[50_40_90_]

Check out this Hollywood racism...

All these white directors wouldn't even touch the subject...

Weak ass Jason Reitman, all he could say is "I'm not stepping into that" - yet he married an Asian woman. He should have some opinion about race.

White privilege on full display.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG4ytB4z-WE

[ALBballer]

What do you think you were discriminated against for?

The store incident for looking like some punk white teen probably thought I was a shoplifter. I didn't steal anything tho.

Second time I had longer hair, maybe the cop thought I was a pothead or druggie. Again the cop was wrong.

I also had an older lady tell me after i entered the garage that in america we don't drive fast. This might be a generational bias with a splash of xenophobia

Regardless I do think there is a discrimination towards black people. People will avoid a group of young black kids dressing thuggish or avoid black areas. White people will make assumptions about black people. This stuff is part of human nature imo. Black people and all sorts of other people make similar generalizations and act on them.

Now with that said I don't think country is "racist." Racism, IMO, is people of power using prejudicism to further their goals. I don't think the government specifically targets black people and undermines them and I don't think the government specifically gives more privileges to white people. Such was the case 50 years ago but not today. If you want to argue it's done more subtle way then maybe i can see your point.

IMO the discrimination what black people complain about today is due to economics. People of higher economic class has more access to the state and to use it's resources. They go to better schools because they can afford it. When they get in trouble with the law they hire lawyers. They vote and contribute to politicians that further their goals. These are just some basic examples. Since black people on average are significantly poorer than their white counterparts they do not participate in the state, do not get the same benefits from the state and so forth.

Point being a wealthy black person and a wealthy white person are treated the same by the state. A poor white person is discriminated more than a rich black person and vice versa.

[Heilige]

Check out this Hollywood racism...

All these white directors wouldn't even touch the subject...

Weak ass Jason Reitman, all he could say is "I'm not stepping into that" - yet he married an Asian woman. He should have some opinion about race.

White privilege on full display.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG4ytB4z-WE


:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Myth]

Check out this Hollywood racism...

All these white directors wouldn't even touch the subject...

Weak ass Jason Reitman, all he could say is "I'm not stepping into that" - yet he married an Asian woman. He should have some opinion about race.

White privilege on full display.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG4ytB4z-WE

Yeah, and you will find this in all high level careers. Will you find black people in those positions? Yes, but it is considerably lower than the ratio in the population.

[Myth]

Point being a wealthy black person and a wealthy white person are treated the same by the state. A poor white person is discriminated more than a rich black person and vice versa.

I won't get into each point you made since your post was so long and I'm lazy, but I agree with the statement that it is more subtle. I also agree that "the state" is pretty good about equality. That is one thing our government doesn't get enough credit for when people constantly rip into it. But I'm referring to our society, not the government (with the exception of law enforcement, that is still pretty damn racist).

As for the part I quoted, yes a poor white person is discriminated more than a rich black person, but a poor black person is discriminated against more than a poor white person in our society.

[daily]

Check out this Hollywood racism...

All these white directors wouldn't even touch the subject...

Weak ass Jason Reitman, all he could say is "I'm not stepping into that" - yet he married an Asian woman. He should have some opinion about race.



It's not weak it's smart. It's a no win situation for many people (Black and white), he says one thing he pisses off a bunch of people, he says something else he pisses off a bunch of people.

Fact is the general public isn't mature enough to have this discussion, too many people get too butt hurt. It's not worth ruining your career over.

He's in the business of making movies that rely on the public's support to be successful. Better to take the high road and not piss off anybody, just make movies and leave the social discussions for others.

[Heilige]

It's not weak it's smart. It's a no win situation for many people (Black and white), he says one thing he pisses off a bunch of people, he says something else he pisses off a bunch of people.

Fact is the general public isn't mature enough to have this discussion, too many people get too butt hurt. It's not worth ruining your career over.

He's in the business of making movies that rely on the public's support to be successful. Better to take the high road and not piss off anybody, just make movies and leave the social discussions for others.


In your view, why do you think directors are not hiring black or latino actors in lead roles? Why do you think there is a lack of woman and minority directors being hired to do feature films?

[Nick Young]

All I know is all this idiot talk about reparations going on still pisses me off!

My family came here 100 years ago from Siberia on one half and Cuba on the other half, they had nothing to do with the slave trade, but would my tax paying money go to reparations because of the color of my skin? How is the very idea of reparations not insanely racist?


The longer people continue to segregate themselves by making "white boy" jokes and talking about "black history" and all this stuff, the longer racism will continue in America.

Why not just fully integrate black history in to American history, and teach kids growing up that we are all Americans and one people? All of these segregationist things do is continue to lead to a racial divide.


In London there is basically 0 anti-black racism, how come if London can do it America can't?

There is still alot of racism though, mostly directed toward muslims and pakistanis. HOWEVER there is 0 black vs white racism like I constantly experienced growing up in LA.

[Nick Young]

In your view, why do you think directors are not hiring black or latino actors in lead roles? Why do you think there is a lack of woman and minority directors being hired to do feature films?
There are loads of black actors in leading roles. As for latino, I don't know why, that is still a big problem. Also there is a huge lack of asian actors in lead roles who aren't kung fu stars.

I don't like that shit either.

But at the same time I dont like how CBS and NBC are so obviously PC that every time a doctor or surgeon shows up it is nearly always a black woman. Have some variation!

Overt political correctness offends me.

[longtime lurker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cCQU0jt4cs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLXCCcqnY-I

Just interesting to see the language that the people use in their reasoning.

Also I read a study that was done that found that white job applicants with a criminal background were more likely to be hired for a job than black applicants with a criminal background. But wait there's more, the same study found that white job applicants with a criminal background were more likely to be hired than black job applicants with NO criminal background :wtf: that shit literally blew my mind

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cCQU0jt4cs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLXCCcqnY-I

Just interesting to see the language that the people use in their reasoning.

Also I read a study that was done that found that white job applicants with a criminal background were more likely to be hired for a job than black applicants with a criminal background. But wait there's more, the same study found that white job applicants with a criminal background were more likely to be hired than black job applicants with NO criminal background :wtf: that shit literally blew my mind

Crazy videos. Anyone that doesn't think racism exists is fooling themselves.

That said, I had to lol @ the propaganda. :oldlol: The black kids are dressed in hoodies and baggy pants, and the white kids were wearing "normal" fitted clothing.

[Immortal Bum]

may seem small, but its one of my major gripes with racism, and its to due with youth, not the old racist we often give all of America's racism credit to. to any black posters (or posters who can't pass for white in any way), but doesn't it annoy you sometime when a girl clearly is into you, may even sleep with you, but she will not give you a chance to have a relationship because you're black. and this will be just about the only racist thing you've ever seen of this person, but they just can't bring themselves to attract whatever questions and attention come with dating a black person. or because they simply grew up only ever dreaming and admiring non-black men, that their brain can't even begin to reach the idea that a black man can be their ideal guy. its ****in bananas. this is why i can't watch much tv/movies anymore, i get so ****in fed up with every important/main/popular character being white. because i know that while this seems harmless to most, i see it as further feeding people (stupid people) the idea that this is what their real world should reflect. white as the leading desired preference.

this really frustrates me. its unfortunate that due to my personality, i don't find myself as attracted to the average black woman i encounter, purely on a personality/chemistry basis, not physical. (i'm in SoCal/LA btw) i think its more an education thing, because i can say the same thing for some of the less educated white/latina women i've come across. the best part about all this...i've even come across educated/smart/cool black women....who will not ****in give a black guy a chance, they only want to date white men.

at this point i'm ready to commit to marrying a foreign woman who is really into me and i know she'll forever be loyal, make a great house wife, and be a quality mother. as opposed to hoping i'd find my soul mate or whatever. i just can't imagine it happening for me as a black man with a very different personality than what a lot of the world often assumes about black american men.

[mr beast]

i would say it's region specific

in a more diverse region racism is probably a lot less than a region that is dominated by single or a few races

[Rasheed1]

may seem small, but its one of my major gripes with racism, and its to due with youth, not the old racist we often give all of America's racism credit to. to any black posters (or posters who can't pass for white in any way), but doesn't it annoy you sometime when a girl clearly is into you, may even sleep with you, but she will not give you a chance to have a relationship because you're black. and this will be just about the only racist thing you've ever seen of this person, but they just can't bring themselves to attract whatever questions and attention come with dating a black person. or because they simply grew up only ever dreaming and admiring non-black men, that their brain can't even begin to reach the idea that a black man can be their ideal guy. its ****in bananas. this is why i can't watch much tv/movies anymore, i get so ****in fed up with every important/main/popular character being white. because i know that while this seems harmless to most, i see it as further feeding people (stupid people) the idea that this is what their real world should reflect. white as the leading desired preference.

this really frustrates me. its unfortunate that due to my personality, i don't find myself as attracted to the average black woman i encounter, purely on a personality/chemistry basis, not physical. (i'm in SoCal/LA btw) i think its more an education thing, because i can say the same thing for some of the less educated white/latina women i've come across. the best part about all this...i've even come across educated/smart/cool black women....who will not ****in give a black guy a chance, they only want to date white men.

at this point i'm ready to commit to marrying a foreign woman who is really into me and i know she'll forever be loyal, make a great house wife, and be a quality mother. as opposed to hoping i'd find my soul mate or whatever. i just can't imagine it happening for me as a black man with a very different personality than what a lot of the world often assumes about black american men.


I hear ya.. I learned that you dont really want a female who isnt willing to be your woman and show that to the public.. Whether it is because of her parents or her friends? doesnt matter, she doesnt have the courage or the fortitude to actually be in a relationship with you... Just enjoy the p*ssy and let the bird fly away when it over. You need a woman with character and those women dont have it :confusedshrug: .. Black women who care more about your pocket than you are same... They arent high character females.. They are looking for a rich dude to coddle them forever.. I tell women all the time.. "nothing is free".. If you marry a rich dude? you'll have money, but it will cost you something else.. You'll pay the price regardless...

Those women are doing you a favor when they act like you arent good enough, or that they cant handle society's reaction to them dating a black guy.. They cant handle it.. so just enjoy the moments when you blow her back out and move on... there are some serious females out there (of all races) and they will love you and ride with you till kingdom come.. They wont care who doesnt like it.. and it wont be about money either..

just be you and let your good qualities shine, and the chick who really loves you will hold on to you because of it

:cheers:

[Immortal Bum]

I hear ya.. I learned that you dont really want a female who isnt willing to be your woman and show that to the public.. Whether it is because of her parents or her friends? doesnt matter, she doesnt have the courage or the fortitude to actually be in a relationship with you... Just enjoy the p*ssy and let the bird fly away when it over. You need a woman with character and those women dont have it :confusedshrug: .. Black women who care more about your pocket than you are same... They arent high character females.. They are looking for a rich dude to coddle them forever.. I tell women all the time.. "nothing is free".. If you marry a rich dude? you'll have money, but it will cost you something else.. You'll pay the price regardless...

Those women are doing you a favor when they act like you arent good enough, or that they cant handle society's reaction to them dating a black guy.. They cant handle it.. so just enjoy the moments when you blow her back out and move on... there are some serious females out there (of all races) and they will love you and ride with you till kingdom come.. They wont care who doesnt like it.. and it wont be about money either..

just be you and let your good qualities shine, and the chick who really loves you will hold on to you because of it

:cheers:

i hear you, brother. well said.

[Immortal Bum]

racism is the result of us forgetting who our family is. sometimes you hate your family and can't stand to hear or see them. but even in all that disgust, you never let anyone get away with messing with your family. no one mess with family is the ultimate rule of life. but somewhere along the way we forgot that skin tone and geography didn't dictate who our family consist of. its that ignorance that has allowed others to further push us away from our family, to the point of family being only those in one's economic bracket; further isolating the individual to the point of not feeling connected to anyone at all.