Inconvenient truth: 2005-2007 Lakers...7th seeds twice, missed once

[secund2nun]

Please tell me how a prime supposed top 10 GOAT player fails to win a single playoff series for the 3 out of 3 seasons he did not have great teammates?

To make it even worse those 3 seasons resulted in a missed playoffs, and two 7th seeds.

Shouldn't a prime top 10 GOAT player be able to lead his cast to a better than 7th seed and be able to win a playoff series without great teammates?

Even more startling, he has never had a great finals performance even when his team was a title team. He simply did not carry any team. Gasol and Kobe were equals.

When you look through the hype you will see his performances for what they are. Look at his much hyped 2009 finals.

2009 finals= 32 ppg on 27 shots per game, 43% fg while Gasol dealt with Dwight in the paint and Kobe went up against the likes of Lewis and Hedo. Really? What's so amazing about this finals?

2010 finals= Gasol was robbed on the finals MVP while Kobe was awful.

[1987_Lakers]

It's a miracle Kobe was able to lead that awful supporting cast to 2 straight playoffs.

Why not call out Kareem for missing the playoffs at his peak during the mid 70's? Even Hakeem in his prime failed to lead his team to the playoffs and he had a much better supporting cast than Kobe. Chamberlain in his peak was on a team that lost nearly 50 games.

[TonyMontana]

It's a miracle Kobe was able to lead that awful supporting cast to 2 straight playoffs.

Why not call out Kareem for missing the playoffs at his peak during the mid 70's? Even Hakeem in his prime failed to lead his team to the playoffs and he had a much better supporting cast than Kobe. Chamberlain in his peak was on a team that lost nearly 50 games.

Because Kareem and Wilt played in the old NBA, an entirely different animal alltogether. In the modern NBA any team with a real top ten player is guaranteed to be relevant. Thats what separates the true all-time greats from the all-stars.

Can you imagine a team with Prime Shaq, Duncan, or LeBron missing the playoffs or even failing to advance for three straight years? These are the guys Kobe stans are comparing their hero to. If you think your top ten thats your competition.

It's not even that Kobe had terrible casts. The VERY year before the Lakers made the Finals. They got VALUE in return for Shaq and Payton. Lamar Odom was an all-star snub for the Heat who averaged 17-10 for a team that ADVANCED in the playoffs. Butler was a 15 PPG player. LeBron was catapulting Finals runs and he didn't even have a guy close to Odoms caliber.

In the Kobe era the Lakers only go as far as the frontcourt takes them. And as a 6'5 guard Kobe makes zero difference in the interior game.

[East_Stone_Ya]

Because Kareem and Wilt played in the old NBA, an entirely different animal alltogether. In the modern NBA any team with a real top ten player is guaranteed to be relevant. Thats what separates the true all-time greats from the all-stars.

Can you imagine a team with Prime Shaq, Duncan, or LeBron missing the playoffs or even failing to advance for three straight years? These are the guys Kobe stans are comparing their hero to. If you think your top ten thats your competition.

It's not even that Kobe had terrible casts. The VERY year before the Lakers made the Finals. They got VALUE in return for Shaq and Payton. Lamar Odom was an all-star snub for the Heat who averaged 17-10 for a team that ADVANCED in the playoffs. Butler was a 15 PPG player. LeBron was catapulting Finals runs and he didn't even have a guy close to Odoms caliber.

In the Kobe era the Lakers only go as far as the frontcourt takes them. And as a 6'5 guard Kobe makes zero difference in the interior game.

oh RG you hater :rolleyes:

[alec613]

Well, Pauk only talks about Kobe

[NumberSix]

It's a miracle Kobe was able to lead that awful supporting cast to 2 straight playoffs.
Yet, LeBron was able to take an even worse roster to the finals.

Just sayin'.

[Vienceslav]

Yet, LeBron was able to take an even worse roster to the finals.

Just sayin'.
I mean I get you said Iraq had WMDs, but this George, get a grip.

[I<3NBA]

who are the supposed top 10 in the NBA? have any of them consistently made the playoffs and at least got better than 7th with an equally or even inferior cast than Kobe's? if yes, then Kobe has no excuse. if no, then it just proves no player, great as they are, can achieve team success without at least good teammates.

[OJ SIMPSON 2.0]

Another Kobe hate thread, what's new?

[MVBallin2K]

Yet, LeBron was able to take an even worse roster to the finals.

Just sayin'.


LOVE how people bash Kobe stans that go in threads and post about Kobe. Then you have Lebron stans like this that have to go in threads that have nothing to do with Lebron outside of one Lebron stan prior bringing him up. It's okay for them to do it but I guarantee if it were the other way around, they'd be all over the person for daring to bring another name into a Lebron thread to gloat.

[I<3NBA]

Another Kobe hate thread, what's new?
you can say the same about Lebron hate threads.

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How did Jordan do in the 80's?

/End Thread.

[Jlamb47]

Atleast Kobe didnt CHOKE

[mentallooser]

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[rhythmic]

Did he fail to make the playoffs?

Who cares? Dude's team got destroyed his 1st three seasons in the league (in the 1st round). Heck, in his 2nd season (playing just 18 games)...his team still managed to make the playoffs without his services. :rolleyes:

He played 3 games, and got swept in the 1st round.
Lost 3-1 the other 2 years too.

Kobe missed the playoffs in 2005, true.
LA finished 36-46 I believe; they lost their head coach plus Odom/Kobe to injuries that year. LA went 12-27 with their interim coach. 24-19 with Rudy T.
Kobe played 66 games that year...Odom played 64 games.
LA's record with Kobe that year was 28 wins and 30 losses...however, LA's record was 1-8 when Kobe tried to play through his injuries (in March and April). Odom was injured at that time, he missed the last month of the season as I recall.
LA ended up losing 11 of their last 12 games that year without Odom, an injured Kobe and no head coach. :rolleyes:

They were in the playoff picture before injuries and Rudy T's illness occured.
****, Jordan's team made it into the playoffs WITHOUT him and they got swept in the 1st round WITH him.

I mean if you hoes really want to play this card?

[zoom17]

It's a miracle Kobe was able to lead that awful supporting cast to 2 straight playoffs.

Why not call out Kareem for missing the playoffs at his peak during the mid 70's? Even Hakeem in his prime failed to lead his team to the playoffs and he had a much better supporting cast than Kobe. Chamberlain in his peak was on a team that lost nearly 50 games.

lol excuses :roll: :roll:

[zoom17]

Yet, LeBron was able to take an even worse roster to the finals.

Just sayin'.
:cheers:

[zoom17]

Another Kobe hate thread, what's new?

Kick rocks hater

[rhythmic]

:cheers:

What a load of crap.
LeBron didn't have a much different team then Iverson, in 2001.
That roster allowed LeBron to ball hog and control the pace; while giving it their all every second of every game defensively and on the glass.

You idiots need to realize, you can do well as a team if you play defense.
Yes his teammates weren't overly talented offensively, but they all did their part defensively. Kobe's teammates from 05'-07' were trash on BOTH ends, besides the inconsistent Lamar Odom.

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[Lebron23]

Atleast Kobe didnt CHOKE


He quit in Game 7 vs. the Phoenix Suns.

[Magic 32]

He quit in Game 7 vs. the Phoenix Suns.

You would know.

At least Kobe's tried in the first half.

[zoom17]

He quit in Game 7 vs. the Phoenix Suns.

That was selfish shit right there

[Magic 32]

Still doesn't change that kobe couldn't go further than a "All Time 10" should have gotten :lol

lol

That pretty close to admitting defeat.

[rhythmic]

He quit in Game 7 vs. the Phoenix Suns.

Coming from a fan who likes a player who quits in almost every 4th quarter, or just flat out sucks. :rolleyes:

[rhythmic]

Still doesn't change that kobe couldn't go further than a "All Time 10" should have gotten :lol

What the **** are you talking about, are you saying Kobe is the only Top 10 player that missed the playoffs?!

Kobe missed the playoffs due to injuries (to him and Odom) plus without an actual coach to finish the season. Jordan got SWEPT during a season he played 18 games in; his team made the playoffs WITHOUT him and then he still gets swept.

You want me to prove you wrong again?

[Lebron23]

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[daily]

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[tpols]

Im not sure if this is just a myth.. but didnt hakeem lose in the first round like 8 times? Kareems already been mentioned.. Wilt lost to a team with a losing record in the first round in his prime..

Plenty more examples can be shuffled through.. and those guys are considered to be even more valuable and higher on lists than Kobe.


Team blows up after 04 + Kobe gets injured very next year. Then they resurge in 06 and 07 make the playoffs, and shouldve beaten a much superior team but couldnt close the deal.

08 comes around theyre sitting in first place 30 some games into the season and then Pau comes and puts them over the top. :confusedshrug:


Is Pau a better player than Pippen or McHale or Wade or Kareem or Jerry West or Clyde Drexler? As a group hes near the bottom of that list.

[rhythmic]

No

LeBron only quit in the 2011 NBA Finals. LBJ has the same numbers of playoffs game winners as Kobe in the postseason.

Then why bring up Kobe's game 7 against Phoenix? :hammerhead:

[Magic 32]

No

LeBron only quit in the 2011 NBA Finals. LBJ has the same numbers of playoffs game winners as Kobe in the postseason.

2010 game 5 vs Boston as well, and the last min. of game 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v5qIApQK0c




And those game winning layups :facepalm F*ck the East.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/876/557/LeBronWINNER_original.gif?1369281147

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqpF1COUzoU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtf7kQZC6gw

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2010 game 5 vs Boston as well, and the last min. of game 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v5qIApQK0c




And those game winning layups :facepalm F*ck the East.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/876/557/LeBronWINNER_original.gif?1369281147

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqpF1COUzoU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtf7kQZC6gw

Game Winners I dont care how you get them are Game Winners.

[Segatti]

He almost won against a stacked Suns with a horrible team, gotta give props.

[uber]

He quit in Game 7 vs. the Phoenix Suns.

What's worse? If you can't hit a shot or if you don't want to?

[Magic 32]

Game Winners I dont care how you get them are Game Winners.

the last one is a travel as well.

And I care.

Those 00-10 first round series in the east were pathetic at times.

[IGOTGAME]

It's difficult to overcome horrible defensive and rebounding teams. If the teams were just offensively deficient then Kobe would have taken them further but they couldn't defend or rebound.

[rhythmic]

He almost won against a stacked Suns with a horrible team, gotta give props.

Exactly, people have selective memory when it comes to Kobe.
They look at that Suns series as a means to belittle Kobe's career as a leader, while in fact, it was a big highlight of his competitiveness.

As you recall, most expers (over half) were predicting Phoenix to sweep LA. A few had Phoenix in 5 and I think 2/3 had Phoenix in 6 or 7 games. No one gave LA a chance.

Kobe was absolutely brilliant in that series; in the 1st game he kept his team in it till the 4th then completely elevated the entire's team morale by posterizing Nash late in the 4th quarter to secure a win.

He was brilliant in game 6 as well, literally carrying the scoring punch all game long. LA had a 3 point lead with seconds remaining but of course his teammates couldn't secure a defensive rebound or have a man on Tim Thomas.

In game 7, Kobe came out guns blazzing. Making rediculous shots all 1st half, yet LA were always behind by double digits. LA kept it competitive because people were contributing; but NO ONE in game 7 was doing anything in either the 1st or 2nd half. Kobe tried to get their confidence up in the 2nd half by sharing the ball but no one was stepping up. Phoenix were the overwhelming favourites.

Also, in game 5 when Kobe hit that game winner...he also hit a very difficult floating shot to tie the game and force overtime.

The guy was BRILLIANT in that series.
28 PPG, 6.3 RPG, 5.1 APG, 50 FG%, 40 3PT%, 45 MPG, 59% TS% & 55% eFG.
What else did you want the dude to do??

The rest of his team shot like 30% from the field in game 7. :facepalm

[rhythmic]

It's difficult to overcome horrible defensive and rebounding teams. If the teams were just offensively deficient then Kobe would have taken them further but they couldn't defend or rebound.

BINGO, Iverson/LeBron had similar talent that Kobe had in 06/07 but they had teammates that could actually defend and rebound very effectively while allowing Iverson/LeBron to control the flow offensively.

[Magic 32]

BINGO, Iverson/LeBron had similar talent that Kobe had in 06/07 but they had teammates that could actually defend and rebound very effectively while allowing Iverson/LeBron to control the flow offensively.

http://www.teacherweb.com/IL/QueenofMartyrs/SchoolHomepage/best-uk-bingo.gif

Lakers and Cavs record when they held their opponents under 100 points...

2004-05 = 27-7! (34 total) (Overall record 34-48)
2005-06 = 39-18 (57 total) (Overall record 45-37)
2006-07 = 23-12 (35 total) (Overall record 42-40)

Total Games = 126
Average games per season = 42
Winning percentage in those games = 71% (89-37)

Cavs 2007-10.

2006-07 = 45-20 (65 total) (Overall record 50-32)
2007-08 = 33-15 (48 total) (Overall record 45-37)
2008-09 = 57-7 (64 total) (Overall record 66-16)
2009-10 = 48-10 (58 total) (Overall record 61-21)

Total Games = 235
Average games per season = 59
Winning percentage in those games = 78%

In other words...give Kobe a great defensive team and the eastern conference, and you get the same amount of "succes".

[Rooster]

It's difficult to overcome horrible defensive and rebounding teams. If the teams were just offensively deficient then Kobe would have taken them further but they couldn't defend or rebound.

Smush and Kwame does not have the IQs to read the other team offense. Kwame is a good on ball defender but he was lost on picks and screens. Smush had a quick hands but he gambles a lot and often can not stay in fron of his man. Luke was smart just don't have the physical tools. Kobe and Odom just can't cover those deficiencies. It's too big of a room for margin of errors.

[rhythmic]

Holy shit, Magic just ethered everyone. :applause:

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[Magic 32]

Magic didnt ethered anybody he just a clueless kobe stan like you

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lol wtf is this :roll: :roll: :roll:

[rhythmic]

Magic didnt ethered anybody he just a clueless kobe stan like you

Still waiting to hear you contribute anything that is of any substance to this discussion?

Do you need me to skull **** you, so that your lone brain cell ignites?

[Droid101]

He was out 30 games in 2005, so throw that season out.

The next two he faced the best offensive teams of all time... and almost beat them once!

I'd say it was a pretty damn good performance for a one-man team.

[retaxis]

Didn't Einstein say something like retarded/mad people are mad when they do the same thing all the time but expect different results each time? Why are all you retards spending every minute of your life arguing on the internet about the same sh1t thinking its going to change your life considering your arguing about something which has absolutely nothing to do with you at all. Its sports, not work, not even politics, its leisure/interest. So you can 'skull ****' that into your head and realise what a waste of life you are.

[longtime lurker]

Inconvenient truth. OP's parents are first cousins.

[daily]

He was out 30 games in 2005, so throw that season out.



Not only was Kobe out games but Odom missed some too and to top it off RudyT the head coach had a melt down and had to resign.

Anybody trying to use that season to further their anti Kobe agenda is a total moron

[PJR]

He was out 30 games in 2005



He missed 16 games in 2005. Played in 66. The Lakers went 28-38 in those 66 games.

[Heavincent]

Kind of funny how Kobe detractors use a 3 year window to discredit his entire 17 year career. The best part is that he was the best player in the league for 2 out of those 3 years :oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Kind of funny how Kobe detractors use a 3 year window to discredit his entire 17 year career. The best part is that he was the best player in the league for 2 out of those 3 years :oldlol:

He was never the best player in the league.

[rhythmic]

He missed 16 games in 2005. Played in 66. The Lakers went 28-38 in those 66 games.

Hey moron, LA lost 11 of 12 to finish the year without Odom and Kobe playing INJURED.

LA went 28-30 that season with Kobe healthy. Kobe played about a month INJURED to finish the year because Lamar was done for the year.

Go do some damn research before talking out of your ass.
LA went 1-11 to finish the year with an injured Kobe & Lamar out of the lineup.

They were in the playoff picture with Kobe, Lamar & Rudy T.

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[secund2nun]

Not only was Kobe out games but Odom missed some too and to top it off RudyT the head coach had a melt down and had to resign.

Anybody trying to use that season to further their anti Kobe agenda is a total moron

Had Kobe been healthy that season would have been a 7th seed most likely just like the next 2 seasons.

[rhythmic]

Really? Talking about selective memory yet you yourself have selective memory. I seem to recall that Amare was out for the entire series against LA when it went to 7.

The next year LA faced PHX with Amare and they were easily defeated in 5 games.

Phoenix were a 2nd seed team with Amare playing only 3 games in the regular season that year. They were 54-28, averaging 109 PPG and were 1st in the league in offensive rating (without Amare).

So I say again, what the **** are you on about?
Hint: They were STILL a very prolific team.

[secund2nun]

Kind of funny how Kobe detractors use a 3 year window to discredit his entire 17 year career. The best part is that he was the best player in the league for 2 out of those 3 years :oldlol:

He was never the best player in the league. Those 3 years featured prime Kobe and showed him for what he was. It exposed him. Replace Kobe with Lebron, Shaq, Duncan etc and that team is a top seeded team that would advanced past the first round every season.

Also on his title teams they were led by the elite front courts. At no point was Kobe actually the man carrying the team like Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, KG, Barkley etc.

Gasol was just as important as Kobe and just as dominant on those teams as Kobe despite efforts to try and rewrite history.

[HurricaneKid]

http://www.teacherweb.com/IL/QueenofMartyrs/SchoolHomepage/best-uk-bingo.gif

Lakers and Cavs record when they held their opponents under 100 points...

2004-05 = 27-7! (34 total) (Overall record 34-48)
2005-06 = 39-18 (57 total) (Overall record 45-37)
2006-07 = 23-12 (35 total) (Overall record 42-40)

Total Games = 126
Average games per season = 42
Winning percentage in those games = 71% (89-37)

Cavs 2007-10.

2006-07 = 45-20 (65 total) (Overall record 50-32)
2007-08 = 33-15 (48 total) (Overall record 45-37)
2008-09 = 57-7 (64 total) (Overall record 66-16)
2009-10 = 48-10 (58 total) (Overall record 61-21)

Total Games = 235
Average games per season = 59
Winning percentage in those games = 78%

In other words...give Kobe a great defensive team and the eastern conference, and you get the same amount of "succes".

Anyone that uses figures like this AND fails to incorporate PACE in them is clearly attempting to pull something off.

And sure enough, the three Lakers seasons in question they were in the top 14 teams (pace) in the league all 3 years and were actually #5 in 07. They avg ~92 possessions a game over these three years. Meanwhile, the Cavs were a far more plodding offense and were only in the top 24 teams in pace ONCE in the 4 years and never as high as the Lakers were in their slowest year.

The reason the Cav's "D" was so much better is that they played a much slower pace and had two fewer possessions/gm.

[IGOTGAME]

Anyone that uses figures like this AND fails to incorporate PACE in them is clearly attempting to pull something off.

And sure enough, the three Lakers seasons in question they were in the top 14 teams (pace) in the league all 3 years and were actually #5 in 07. They avg ~92 possessions a game over these three years. Meanwhile, the Cavs were a far more plodding offense and were only in the top 24 teams in pace ONCE in the 4 years and never as high as the Lakers were in their slowest year.

The reason the Cav's "D" was so much better is that they played a much slower pace and had two fewer possessions/gm.
Are you seriously trying to argue that the Lakers and Cavs were even close to peers in terms of defense...that is just silly. Lakers were one of the worst defensive teams in the league.

[Heavincent]

He was never the best player in the league. Those 3 years featured prime Kobe and showed him for what he was. It exposed him. Replace Kobe with Lebron, Shaq, Duncan etc and that team is a top seeded team that would advanced past the first round every season.

Also on his title teams they were led by the elite front courts. At no point was Kobe actually the man carrying the team like Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, KG, Barkley etc.

Gasol was just as important as Kobe and just as dominant on those teams as Kobe despite efforts to try and rewrite history.

Whatever. Ignore reality and create your own fantasy world.

Don't know why I even responded in the first place.

[rhythmic]

Anyone that uses figures like this AND fails to incorporate PACE in them is clearly attempting to pull something off.

And sure enough, the three Lakers seasons in question they were in the top 14 teams (pace) in the league all 3 years and were actually #5 in 07. They avg ~92 possessions a game over these three years. Meanwhile, the Cavs were a far more plodding offense and were only in the top 24 teams in pace ONCE in the 4 years and never as high as the Lakers were in their slowest year.

The reason the Cav's "D" was so much better is that they played a much slower pace and had two fewer possessions/gm.

Wow you idiot, LA's pace was higher BECAUSE they had huge holes defensively. It was far easier to score on them therefore the pace was high. :facepalm

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[HurricaneKid]

Are you seriously trying to argue that the Lakers and Cavs were even close to peers in terms of defense...that is just silly. Lakers were one of the worst defensive teams in the league.

You miss the point entirely. He is saying if they had two more possessions on offense and then had the Cavs D they would have been really good. But its a ridiculous comparison to make with adjusting both sides of the equation. At league avgs he should have been looking at the Cavs record when scoring allowed was under 97.8. Thats a huge difference.

[secund2nun]

Whatever. Ignore reality and create your own fantasy world.

Don't know why I even responded in the first place.

Yes the facts are reality huh? Look at the performances during each of the series in the 2 title runs in addition to the obvious context (back to back 7th seed before Gasol, then finals appearance and back to back champs with Gasol). Gasol was just as good as Kobe. At no point was it some type of batman-robin combo in the style of Shaq-Kobe, Lebron-Wade that the media tries to promote it was.

[rhythmic]

There are a few points to make.

1. Why was LA a 7th seed? With a supposed top ten player of all time in his prime why weren't they better than a 7th seed???? They were going up against the 2nd seeded team simply because Kobe was not good enough to get them anything better than a 7th seed.

2. Amare makes a big difference. They destroyed LA in 5 the follow postseason with Amare.

Why did Jordan lose in the 1st round his first 3 seasons? Because his teammates weren't good? Maybe that's why Kobe couldn't get them higher then the 7th seed. They had Chris Mihm, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, Brian Cook as the core.
Question, besides Lamar: has any of those players become rotation players on any other team since they left LA??

Let that sink in for a second; on just how terrible that team (minus Kobe & Lamar) was.

Regarding Amare, I don't see the relevance in anything you're saying. Amare didn't help Phoenix win 54 games or become the 2nd seed; he didn't help them be the most efficient offensive team in the league, so why the **** do you bring him up?

[rhythmic]

He was never the best player in the league. Those 3 years featured prime Kobe and showed him for what he was. It exposed him. Replace Kobe with Lebron, Shaq, Duncan etc and that team is a top seeded team that would advanced past the first round every season.

Also on his title teams they were led by the elite front courts. At no point was Kobe actually the man carrying the team like Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, KG, Barkley etc.

Gasol was just as important as Kobe and just as dominant on those teams as Kobe despite efforts to try and rewrite history.

Oh shit, didn't see this post.
Yep, complete troll. No more replying to you, welcome to my ignore list.

[daily]

He was never the best player in the league. Those 3 years featured prime Kobe and showed him for what he was. It exposed him. Replace Kobe with Lebron, Shaq, Duncan etc and that team is a top seeded team that would advanced past the first round every season.

Also on his title teams they were led by the elite front courts. At no point was Kobe actually the man carrying the team like Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, KG, Barkley etc.

Gasol was just as important as Kobe and just as dominant on those teams as Kobe despite efforts to try and rewrite history.

Your new name is Tatoo

Look Boss de plane de plane.

[PJR]

Hey moron, LA lost 11 of 12 to finish the year without Odom and Kobe playing INJURED.

LA went 28-30 that season with Kobe healthy. Kobe played about a month INJURED to finish the year because Lamar was done for the year.

Go do some damn research before talking out of your ass.
LA went 1-11 to finish the year with an injured Kobe & Lamar out of the lineup.

They were in the playoff picture with Kobe, Lamar & Rudy T.

Kobe Bryant did not miss 30 games as the poster I quoted claimed he did. He missed 16. Played in 66. Going 28-38 in those games.

#FactsOnly

[Heavincent]

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[longtime lurker]

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[rhythmic]

Kobe Bryant did not miss 30 games. He missed 16. Played in 66. Going 28-38 in those games.

These are facts.

My other post has additional relevant facts that you forgot to mention.

[PJR]

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[Magic 32]

1. Why was LA a 7th seed? With a supposed top ten player of all time in his prime why weren't they better than a 7th seed???? They were going up against the 2nd seeded team simply because Kobe was not good enough to get them anything better than a 7th seed.


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and no top 15 player of all time has played with so little talent in his peak years.

[longtime lurker]

For one, that was young Jordan not prime Jordan. You said it yourself- his first 3 seasons. This is prime Kobe we are talking about.

Also during the latter 2 of first 3 seasons they went up against prime Larry Bird and the Celtics, which is a far superior opponent than the Suns with Amare and the Suns without Amare. But anyways the point remains- young nowhere near prime Jordan vs prime Kobe.

That supporting cast is certainly good enough to be better than a 7th seed and a first round loss. A real prime top 10 player of all time would have had that squad a highly seed team based on their abilities alone. Kobe is/was simply nowhere as good as he is universally ranked. No athlete has benefited more from the media/massive markets than Kobe Bryant.

No it wasn't. That supporting cast shouldn't have even been able to make the playoffs. It's a all because of Phil and Kobe that the team was able to play way over their heads. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Rooster]

For one, that was young Jordan not prime Jordan. You said it yourself- his first 3 seasons. This is prime Kobe we are talking about.

Also during the latter 2 of first 3 seasons they went up against prime Larry Bird and the Celtics, which is a far superior opponent than the Suns with Amare and the Suns without Amare. But anyways the point remains- young nowhere near prime Jordan vs prime Kobe.

That supporting cast is certainly good enough to be better than a 7th seed and a first round loss. A real prime top 10 player of all time would have had that squad a highly seed team based on their abilities alone. Kobe is/was simply nowhere as good as he is universally ranked. No athlete has benefited more from the media/massive markets than Kobe Bryant.

So Hakeem should not Have not missed the playoff and lost like 7 times in the first round.:rolleyes:

And Kareem should have not missed the playoff twice too.

[OldSchoolBBall]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[Magic 32]

That supporting cast is certainly good enough to be better than a 7th seed and a first round loss.


NOT

What does "one man" teams need?

Shooters and high level defense (76'ers, Cavs).

What did Kobe's teammates provide? Exactly not that.

Smush Parker as the PG in the triangle offense. Can't think of a worse fit.

Lamar Odom as the spot-up shooting SF/PF. Can't think of a worse fit.

Kwame on a basketball court. Can't think of a worse fit.

[3peated]

Please tell me how a prime supposed top 10 GOAT player fails to win a single playoff series for the 3 out of 3 seasons he did not have great teammates?

To make it even worse those 3 seasons resulted in a missed playoffs, and two 7th seeds.

Shouldn't a prime top 10 GOAT player be able to lead his cast to a better than 7th seed and be able to win a playoff series without great teammates?

Even more startling, he has never had a great finals performance even when his team was a title team. He simply did not carry any team. Gasol and Kobe were equals.

When you look through the hype you will see his performances for what they are. Look at his much hyped 2009 finals.

2009 finals= 32 ppg on 27 shots per game, 43% fg while Gasol dealt with Dwight in the paint and Kobe went up against the likes of Lewis and Hedo. Really? What's so amazing about this finals?

2010 finals= Gasol was robbed on the finals MVP while Kobe was awful.


you are a hater, lol.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2005.html

this is one of the worst teams, i've ever seen, absolutely awful. lebron or jordan wouldn't have made then any better give/take a 5 game difference.


the next 2 seasons the teams weren't much better either, and teh west was really powerful as a whole.

i'm sure you just started watching basketball after the decision tho so i don't know why i'm even responding to a clown like you

[rhythmic]

For one, that was young Jordan not prime Jordan. You said it yourself- his first 3 seasons. This is prime Kobe we are talking about.

Also during the latter 2 of first 3 seasons they went up against prime Larry Bird and the Celtics, which is a far superior opponent than the Suns with Amare and the Suns without Amare. But anyways the point remains- young nowhere near prime Jordan vs prime Kobe.

That supporting cast is certainly good enough to be better than a 7th seed and a first round loss. A real prime top 10 player of all time would have had that squad a highly seed team based on their abilities alone. Kobe is/was simply nowhere as good as he is universally ranked. No athlete has benefited more from the media/massive markets than Kobe Bryant.

Hey guys, you want to see secund2nun get thoroughly owned?
Watch this.

Kobe's teammates during the 2005/06 season.
Kwame Brown
Andrew Bynum (rookie, 18 years old)
Brian Cook
Devean George
Devin Green
Jim Jackson
Aaron McKie
Stan Medvedenko
Chris Mihm
Lamar Odom
Smush Profit
Laron Profit
Ronny Turiaf
Sasha Vajacic
Von Wafer
Luke Walton

Now lets evaluate what each of those players did after that season, in their NBA careers.

K. Brown: 153 starts after 05/06 season. 5.1 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 16.8 MPG

Cook: 28 starts (none with other teams) after 05/06 season. 2.8 PPG, 1.5 RPG, 36 FG%

George: 42 starts (in 4 seasons): 4.7 PPG, 2.4 RPG, 39 FG%

Green: HIS ONLY SEASON IN THE NBA, has not played since 05/06 as a rookie.

J.Jackson: 1.7 PPG, 0.9 RPG on 29 FG% (his final season in the NBA was 05/06)

McKie: 0.5 PPG, 1.5 RPG, 25 FG% (ended his career after 06/07 season)

Medvedenko: 0 starts in Atlanta, 06/07 season was his LAST. 3.0 PPG, 1 RPG on 41 FG%

Mihm: After 05/06 started only 5 games, played a total of 41 games before never playing another NBA game. 2.8 PPG, 2.6 RPG on 35 FG%

Parker: started 4 games in 07/08, before ending his career. The same starting PG Kobe had for both 05/06 & 06/07. 5.6 PPG, 2.5 APG on 34 FG%

Profit: Never played an NBA game again after 05/06 season. :oldlol:

Turiaf: Started 120 games since 05/06. 2.9 PPG, 3.9 RPG in 17 MPG
Sasha: 3.9 PPG on 35% FG in 05/06. Has started maybe 30 games for other teams since that season.

Wafer: started 14 games since 05/06. 1.3 PPG on 16% FG in 05/06. Career average in minutes is 12 MPG.

Walton: ZERO starts on any team besides LAL. 3.4 PPG, 1.7 APG & 38% FG since the 05/06 season.


Besides Lamar Odom, those are the players Kobe was surrounded with. :oldlol:

Rest In Peace buddy.

[daily]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[longtime lurker]

Second2nun where you at buddy? I noticed you haven't responded to any of the last posts thoroughly destroying you

[riseagainst]

05-07 was the rebuilding process.

[Doranku]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[rhythmic]

Yeah, because the '86 and '87 Celts are the same as the '06 and '07 Suns. :oldlol: :hammerhead:

Jordan went 1-9 in the playoffs his first 3 years.
Kobe went 4-8.

Jordan's opponents had an average record of 62-20 those 3 years.
Kobe's opponent had an average record of 58-24 those 2 years.

Kobe almost beat Phoenix in 05/06, Jordan got swept TWICE.
There were maybe 2-3 close games during those 3 years not including his only win.

Kobe despite winning 4 games against the Suns, also had close games in the losses...

LA 102
Suns 107

LA 118
Suns 126 (OT)

Jordan also shot 45% in those 3 years, in an ERA where the average efficiency was around 48%. Kobe shot 48% in those 2 years, when the league efficiency was 44%. :oldlol:

Just admit it hoe, if you want these clowns talking down on Kobe for losing to a great Suns team; then I'll gladly point in Jordan, Hakeem or Wilt's direction.

[rhythmic]

84/85: Jordan also had Woolridge & Dailey.
85/86: Jordan had Woolridge, Dailey & Gervin. In fact, those 3 got the Bulls into the playoffs without Jordan's service for 60+ games. Still got swept. :oldlol:
87/88: Jordan finally had a team that's comparable to the crap Kobe had in 05/06 by only really having Oakley on the roster.

Unless you think Jordan had less then Kobe? :lol
Heck even Banks & Sidney Green are better then ANYTHING Kobe had those two years besides Lamar.

[Legends66NBA7]

Thread should be locked for obvious agendas shown in this thread.

[Mr Exlax]

If your team has the advantage only at 1 position, I don't think you're gonna win in a series. That's just me though. I don't care how great you are. You can't do literally everything on the court. There are limitations.

[The Iron Fist]

The funniest thing is, the people who chide Kobe for not winning a series or making the playoffs in 05-07, are the same exact people who didn't even expect the Lakers to make the playoffs in any of those three years. The reason they said LA wouldnt make the post season? Not because of Kobe, but because of the players around him. Beating Phoenix wouldn't stop their irrational hate, it would have just turned into, "he can't take a team past the second round without Shaq". So on and so forth. Nobody really expected the Lakers to make the playoffs in those seasons, but when they do, they were expected to win the title?:roll:

[rhythmic]

I think I ended secund2nun's career on ISH. :(
RIP little buddy, didn't mean to be so cruel to you!

[longtime lurker]

And 2nd2nun was never seen or heard from again :lol

someone file a missing person report on him

[zoom17]

And 2nd2nun was never seen or heard from again :lol

someone file a missing person report on him

:biggums: :biggums: ::facepalm

[DMAVS41]

The funniest thing is, the people who chide Kobe for not winning a series or making the playoffs in 05-07, are the same exact people who didn't even expect the Lakers to make the playoffs in any of those three years. The reason they said LA wouldnt make the post season? Not because of Kobe, but because of the players around him. Beating Phoenix wouldn't stop their irrational hate, it would have just turned into, "he can't take a team past the second round without Shaq". So on and so forth. Nobody really expected the Lakers to make the playoffs in those seasons, but when they do, they were expected to win the title?:roll:

Nobody thought the 05 Lakers would miss the playoffs.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Nobody thought the 05 Lakers would miss the playoffs.

To be fair, nobody thought their coach would leave mid-season.

[Donkey4trading]

Nobody thought the 05 Lakers would miss the playoffs.

You're joking?

http://www.basketballforum.com/los-angeles-lakers/210794-lakers-enter-season-low-expectations.html

Those are laker fans, clinging at the hopes of making the playoffs. Please take your extreme biase and revisionist history elsewhere.

"If Kwame can become a threat and Wafer can pan out.."

[IllegalD]

Nobody thought the 05 Lakers would miss the playoffs.

Nobody thought the Lakers' 2 best players would miss a combined 34 games (16 for Kobe, 18 for Odom), or that their coach would quit half way through the season.

[DMAVS41]

You're joking?

http://www.basketballforum.com/los-angeles-lakers/210794-lakers-enter-season-low-expectations.html

Those are laker fans, clinging at the hopes of making the playoffs. Please take your extreme biase and revisionist history elsewhere.

I didn't read this...but I stand corrected assuming it states what you say it does.

Just don't see how anyone was predicting a Kobe, Odom, Butler led team not winning 45 or more games.

That just seems absurd to me.

[DMAVS41]

Nobody thought the Lakers' 2 best players would miss a combined 34 games (16 for Kobe, 18 for Odom), or that their coach would quit half way through the season.

That would be my point. I don't get the reasoning for expecting a sub 45 win season if healthy.

You are making my point for me.

[longtime lurker]

To be fair, nobody thought their coach would leave mid-season.

To add to that nobody thought Lamar and Kobe would miss 16 and 18 games respectively. Plus it's obvious the Lakers were in full tank mode before the end of the season. The whole talk from the media and message boards was that Kobe couldn't do it without Shaq so it's pretty disingenuous to say that nobody thought they'd miss the playoffs.

[zoom17]

To add to that nobody thought Lamar and Kobe would miss 16 and 18 games respectively. Plus it's obvious the Lakers were in full tank mode before the end of the season. The whole talk from the media and message boards was that Kobe couldn't do it without Shaq so it's pretty disingenuous to say that nobody thought they'd miss the playoffs.

quit making excesses

[TonyMontana]

http://oi39.tinypic.com/23jpqwn.jpg
http://oi39.tinypic.com/2s16hw7.jpg

and no top 15 player of all time has played with so little talent in his peak years.

According to this, the Cavaliers would be the 4th seed in either conference. :applause:

Oh and...


2007 Caveliers: 50-32(.610)
Vs East: 31-21(.596)
Vs West: 19-11(.633)

2008 Cavaliers: 45-37(.549)
Vs East: 28-24(.538)
Vs West: 17-10(.629)

2008-09 Cavaliers Record: 66-18(.804)
Vs East: 40-12 (.769)
Vs West: 26-6(.813)

2009-10 Cavaliers Record: 61-21(.744)
Vs East: 38-14(.730)
Vs West: 23-7(.767)

[Donkey4trading]

I didn't read this...but I stand corrected assuming it states what you say it does.

Just don't see how anyone was predicting a Kobe, Odom, Butler led team not winning 45 or more games.

That just seems absurd to me.


:cheers:

[DMAVS41]

:cheers:

I must say though...the expectations for a healthy team with a core of prime Kobe, Butler, and Odom should absolutely exceed the 05 Grizzlies for example.

And if not, I'm sorry, it reflects poorly on Kobe...and would actually make some points for the other side in this debate.

My take on the 05 season is simply one of health and chemistry for the most part.

And in 06...it's not that the Kobe led Lakers didn't beat the Suns. It's that Kobe didn't dominate the series. And I just don't think the "lack of help" argument means a lot.

[longtime lurker]

quit making excesses

How about you.....shut the fvck up

http://24.media.tumblr.com/5c0fffe31c7e26d06c4d6cf62e99083b/tumblr_mqgsmjGV5b1qj5jqso1_500.gif

[PickernRoller]

Hey guys, you want to see secund2nun get thoroughly owned?
Watch this.

Kobe's teammates during the 2005/06 season.
Kwame Brown
Andrew Bynum (rookie, 18 years old)
Brian Cook
Devean George
Devin Green
Jim Jackson
Aaron McKie
Stan Medvedenko
Chris Mihm
Lamar Odom
Smush Profit
Laron Profit
Ronny Turiaf
Sasha Vajacic
Von Wafer
Luke Walton

Now lets evaluate what each of those players did after that season, in their NBA careers.

K. Brown: 153 starts after 05/06 season. 5.1 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 16.8 MPG

Cook: 28 starts (none with other teams) after 05/06 season. 2.8 PPG, 1.5 RPG, 36 FG%

George: 42 starts (in 4 seasons): 4.7 PPG, 2.4 RPG, 39 FG%

Green: HIS ONLY SEASON IN THE NBA, has not played since 05/06 as a rookie.

J.Jackson: 1.7 PPG, 0.9 RPG on 29 FG% (his final season in the NBA was 05/06)

McKie: 0.5 PPG, 1.5 RPG, 25 FG% (ended his career after 06/07 season)

Medvedenko: 0 starts in Atlanta, 06/07 season was his LAST. 3.0 PPG, 1 RPG on 41 FG%

Mihm: After 05/06 started only 5 games, played a total of 41 games before never playing another NBA game. 2.8 PPG, 2.6 RPG on 35 FG%

Parker: started 4 games in 07/08, before ending his career. The same starting PG Kobe had for both 05/06 & 06/07. 5.6 PPG, 2.5 APG on 34 FG%

Profit: Never played an NBA game again after 05/06 season. :oldlol:

Turiaf: Started 120 games since 05/06. 2.9 PPG, 3.9 RPG in 17 MPG
Sasha: 3.9 PPG on 35% FG in 05/06. Has started maybe 30 games for other teams since that season.

Wafer: started 14 games since 05/06. 1.3 PPG on 16% FG in 05/06. Career average in minutes is 12 MPG.

Walton: ZERO starts on any team besides LAL. 3.4 PPG, 1.7 APG & 38% FG since the 05/06 season.


Besides Lamar Odom, those are the players Kobe was surrounded with. :oldlol:

Rest In Peace buddy.

Dang OP getting owned again. Not the first time....dude has no shame. He's an alt, that much is for sure.

[Donkey4trading]

I must say though...the expectations for a healthy team with a core of prime Kobe, Butler, and Odom should absolutely exceed the 05 Grizzlies for example.

And if not, I'm sorry, it reflects poorly on Kobe...and would actually make some points for the other side in this debate.

My take on the 05 season is simply one of health and chemistry for the most part.

And in 06...it's not that the Kobe led Lakers didn't beat the Suns. It's that Kobe didn't dominate the series. And I just don't think the "lack of help" argument means a lot.

Maybe you should read through the thread to get a better perspective of what was actually happening at the time..

You keep mentioning Caron butler as if he was on the team, he wasn't. He was traded before the season

People in that thread are hanging on the hope of Smush Parker, Kwame Brown and Von Wafer to step up and help them make the playoffs...

[PickernRoller]

Maybe you should read through the thread to get a better perspective of what was actually happening at the time..

You keep mentioning Caron butler as if he was on the team, he wasn't. He was traded before the season

People in that thread are hanging on the hope of Smush Parker, Kwame Brown and Von Wafer to step up and help them make the playoffs...

You're talking to a bonafide Kobe hater, bi-polar nut. Aka Gino the freak.

[TonyMontana]

Maybe you should read through the thread to get a better perspective of what was actually happening at the time..

You keep mentioning Caron butler as if he was on the team, he wasn't. He was traded before the season

People in that thread are hanging on the hope of Smush Parker, Kwame Brown and Von Wafer to step up and help them make the playoffs...

Butler was on the 2004-2005 Lakers you Kobe stan. He was apart of the Shaq package.

He was traded the next offseason for Kwame Brown because LA got desperate to get a bigman since Kobe can't win anything without one(30th out of 30th in defensive rating LOL).

[Donkey4trading]

Butler was on the 2004-2005 Lakers you Kobe stan. He was apart of the Shaq package.

He was traded the next offseason for Kwame Brown because LA got desperate to get a bigman since Kobe can't win anything without one(30th out of 30th in defensive rating LOL).

We are talking about the 05 06 lakers you moron

[secund2nun]

No it wasn't. That supporting cast shouldn't have even been able to make the playoffs. It's a all because of Phil and Kobe that the team was able to play way over their heads. You have no idea what you're talking about.

That cast would easily be able to make the playoffs with Lebron, Prime Shaq, Prime Duncan etc.

[secund2nun]

So Hakeem should not Have not missed the playoff and lost like 7 times in the first round.:rolleyes:

And Kareem should have not missed the playoff twice too.

Hakeem, the man who won back to back titles with legendary playoff and final performances that Kobe could only dream of, you mean that man?

He won his first title with a very weak supporting cast for a title winning team. His 2nd cast wasn't much better. Hakeem is the last player to use.

[secund2nun]

NOT

What does "one man" teams need?

Shooters and high level defense (76'ers, Cavs).

What did Kobe's teammates provide? Exactly not that.

Smush Parker as the PG in the triangle offense. Can't think of a worse fit.

Lamar Odom as the spot-up shooting SF/PF. Can't think of a worse fit.

Kwame on a basketball court. Can't think of a worse fit.

This is a prime top 10 player of all time (or so they say) that alone should be enough for better than a 7th seed, let alone with prime Odom.

[secund2nun]

Hey guys, you want to see secund2nun get thoroughly owned?
Watch this.

Kobe's teammates during the 2005/06 season.
Kwame Brown
Andrew Bynum (rookie, 18 years old)
Brian Cook
Devean George
Devin Green
Jim Jackson
Aaron McKie
Stan Medvedenko
Chris Mihm
Lamar Odom
Smush Profit
Laron Profit
Ronny Turiaf
Sasha Vajacic
Von Wafer
Luke Walton

Now lets evaluate what each of those players did after that season, in their NBA careers.

K. Brown: 153 starts after 05/06 season. 5.1 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 16.8 MPG

Cook: 28 starts (none with other teams) after 05/06 season. 2.8 PPG, 1.5 RPG, 36 FG%

George: 42 starts (in 4 seasons): 4.7 PPG, 2.4 RPG, 39 FG%

Green: HIS ONLY SEASON IN THE NBA, has not played since 05/06 as a rookie.

J.Jackson: 1.7 PPG, 0.9 RPG on 29 FG% (his final season in the NBA was 05/06)

McKie: 0.5 PPG, 1.5 RPG, 25 FG% (ended his career after 06/07 season)

Medvedenko: 0 starts in Atlanta, 06/07 season was his LAST. 3.0 PPG, 1 RPG on 41 FG%

Mihm: After 05/06 started only 5 games, played a total of 41 games before never playing another NBA game. 2.8 PPG, 2.6 RPG on 35 FG%

Parker: started 4 games in 07/08, before ending his career. The same starting PG Kobe had for both 05/06 & 06/07. 5.6 PPG, 2.5 APG on 34 FG%

Profit: Never played an NBA game again after 05/06 season. :oldlol:

Turiaf: Started 120 games since 05/06. 2.9 PPG, 3.9 RPG in 17 MPG
Sasha: 3.9 PPG on 35% FG in 05/06. Has started maybe 30 games for other teams since that season.

Wafer: started 14 games since 05/06. 1.3 PPG on 16% FG in 05/06. Career average in minutes is 12 MPG.

Walton: ZERO starts on any team besides LAL. 3.4 PPG, 1.7 APG & 38% FG since the 05/06 season.


Besides Lamar Odom, those are the players Kobe was surrounded with. :oldlol:

Rest In Peace buddy.


Owned? HAHA. So what if his cast was not that strong, it is certainly enough to get better than a 7th seed in a 3 year span for a supposed top 10 player of all time, let alone with prime Odom who was a very good player.

Replace Kobe with prime Shaq, prime Duncan, prime Lebron etc and that team is an instant contender.

Lowering the bar for your man Kobe huh?

And no I wasn't scared off, I worked today from 1:30-Midnight.

[secund2nun]

Butler was on the 2004-2005 Lakers you Kobe stan. He was apart of the Shaq package.

He was traded the next offseason for Kwame Brown because LA got desperate to get a bigman since Kobe can't win anything without one(30th out of 30th in defensive rating LOL).

Hilarious of all the excuses made for Kobe. Kobe should thank the heavens he played for the Lakers, the massive hype machine of LA, and elite front courts.

Size rules, which is why Kobe simply can't affect the game like the REAL top 10 all time players can. MJ was the only exception. The other non big men top 10 GOATs are all big men on the boards like Bird, Magic, and Lebron.

[Suguru101]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[zoom17]

How about you.....shut the fvck up

http://24.media.tumblr.com/5c0fffe31c7e26d06c4d6cf62e99083b/tumblr_mqgsmjGV5b1qj5jqso1_500.gif

Were is that from?

[chazzy]

Why do people make such a big deal about 05 when he did better with an even worse cast the two years after?

[Legends66NBA7]

Were is that from?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hry7OXBy9Sw

Figured your avy would have given you a hint, though.

[zoom17]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hry7OXBy9Sw

Figured your avy would have given you hint, though.
Thanks I am going to watch

[Droid101]

He missed 16 games in 2005. Played in 66. The Lakers went 28-38 in those 66 games.
Oh please, don't even get me started on that season.

Guy we signed to be our starting Center, Vlade Divac, was injured most of the year.

Guy who was supposed to be our starting PF decided to retire, Karl Malone.

Because Karl wimped out, we had to flip Gary Payton for some working pieces.

If you think Kobe caused the Lakers poor season in 2005... you really know nothing about history or basketball in general.

Bye!

[longtime lurker]

Owned? HAHA. So what if his cast was not that strong, it is certainly enough to get better than a 7th seed in a 3 year span for a supposed top 10 player of all time, let alone with prime Odom who was a very good player.

Replace Kobe with prime Shaq, prime Duncan, prime Lebron etc and that team is an instant contender.

Lowering the bar for your man Kobe huh?

And no I wasn't scared off, I worked today from 1:30-Midnight.

You mean prime Shaq who got swept out of the playoffs 2 years in a row despite having 2 all star teammates? Or prime Lebron who couldn't make it out of the east despite having the best record in the NBA? :roll: you need to go back into hiding you're a joke.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hry7OXBy9Sw

Figured your avy would have given you a hint, though.

Dope dope movie although I wasn't a huge fan of some of the drawings. The animators had Aquaman looking like Dwyane Wade out here

[Magic 32]

This is a prime top 10 player of all time (or so they say) that alone should be enough for better than a 7th seed, let alone with prime Odom.

Lamar "head case who can't handle second option responsibilities" Odom!


http://i.minus.com/ibm8JxIfrTRNFh.gif

[eliteballer]

Injuries in 2005, Smush Parker and kwame Brown from there on out.

LeBron struggles to beat an ancient Spurs team with Wade and Bosh...while Kobe beat them in their prime with Fisher and Radmanovic in the starting lineup.

[secund2nun]

You mean prime Shaq who got swept out of the playoffs 2 years in a row despite having 2 all star teammates? Or prime Lebron who couldn't make it out of the east despite having the best record in the NBA? :roll: you need to go back into hiding you're a joke.



Dope dope movie although I wasn't a huge fan of some of the drawings. The animators had Aquaman looking like Dwyane Wade out here

Prime Shaq was a beast. It's not like he got swept out in the first round. He has led very weak casts deep into the playoffs like when he led Orlando to the ECF and Penny was terrible and a shell of himself then.


Prime Lebron led trash to the finals and ECF. Kobe loses in the first round lol

[secund2nun]

Injuries in 2005, Smush Parker and kwame Brown from there on out.

LeBron struggles to beat an ancient Spurs team with Wade and Bosh...while Kobe beat them in their prime with Fisher and Radmanovic in the starting lineup.

Correction: Shaq and Kobe and also Gasol and Kobe beat them. It was not a one man show. One man show Kobe= first round loss, loss to the Suns in 5

Lebron actually had to be THE man while Wade and Bosh disappeared for most of the finals (Bosh for all of it).

[jzek]

Kobe was up 3-1 against the Suns and they lost that series :facepalm

[Magic 32]

One man show Kobe= first round loss, loss to the Suns in 5


2005-06 Wizards 42-40
2006-07 Wizards 41-41
2006-07 Nets 41-41
2006-07 Pistons 53-29
2007-08 Wizards 43-39
2008-09 Pistons 39-43
2008-09 Hawks 47-35
2009-10 Bulls 41-41

vs.

2005-06 Suns 54-28
2006-07 Suns 61-21

I mean thanks god Lebron was able to beat at least one 50+ team in 5 years. Kobe almost did in his first try.

[RRR3]

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2203531133/crazy-lakers-fan.jpg
:lol

[oh the horror]

I love how dudes are citing a "prime Odom" as something amazing.



That's unreal.

[RRR3]

I love how dudes are citing a "prime Odom" as something amazing.



That's unreal.
Greatest 6th man of all time. Amazing Kobe couldn't even get the first round with 20/10/10 threat Odom, top 10 center (at the time) Chris Mihm, elite defenders in Kwame and Smush Parker, and great shooters like Luke Walton and Radmanovic. :facepalm

[gts]

Greatest 6th man of all time. Amazing Kobe couldn't even get the first round with 20/10/10 threat Odom, top 10 center (at the time) Chris Mihm, elite defenders in Kwame and Smush Parker, and great shooters like Luke Walton and Radmanovic. :facepalm

Tell me you wen't laughing your ass off when you typed that because I know I was reading it

[zoom17]

lol

[TonyMontana]

You mean prime Shaq who got swept out of the playoffs 2 years in a row despite having 2 all star teammates? Or prime Lebron who couldn't make it out of the east despite having the best record in the NBA? :roll: you need to go back into hiding you're a joke.



Getting swept and losing beyond the first round > failing to win a single series for 3 years of your prime. Good try though sport

First round is where you separate the relevant teams from the irrelevant.

[The-Legend-24]

2005-06 Wizards 42-40
2006-07 Wizards 41-41
2006-07 Nets 41-41
2006-07 Pistons 53-29
2007-08 Wizards 43-39
2008-09 Pistons 39-43
2008-09 Hawks 47-35
2009-10 Bulls 41-41

vs.

2005-06 Suns 54-28
2006-07 Suns 61-21

I mean thanks god Lebron was able to beat at least one 50+ team in 5 years. Kobe almost did in his first try.
:oldlol: :oldlol:

And LMAO @ nikkas saying Kobe had a prime ODOM. :roll: Fvcking unreal

[HurricaneKid]

Oh please, don't even get me started on that season.

Guy we signed to be our starting Center, Vlade Divac, was injured most of the year.

Guy who was supposed to be our starting PF decided to retire, Karl Malone.

Because Karl wimped out, we had to flip Gary Payton for some working pieces.

If you think Kobe caused the Lakers poor season in 2005... you really know nothing about history or basketball in general.

Bye!

Of course 2005 was Kobe's fault. The man blew up the team in 2004.

[secund2nun]

2005-06 Wizards 42-40
2006-07 Wizards 41-41
2006-07 Nets 41-41
2006-07 Pistons 53-29
2007-08 Wizards 43-39
2008-09 Pistons 39-43
2008-09 Hawks 47-35
2009-10 Bulls 41-41

vs.

2005-06 Suns 54-28
2006-07 Suns 61-21

I mean thanks god Lebron was able to beat at least one 50+ team in 5 years. Kobe almost did in his first try.

So prime Kobe failing in the regular season by having them a 7th seed which forced them to face the 2nd seed is not Kobe's fault?

Also when prime Kobe faced a healthy suns team LA lost in 5. He could not even beat an Amareless suns team the year before.

23 year old single Lebron handedly beating Detriot in 2007 puts Kobe to shame.

[secund2nun]

I love how dudes are citing a "prime Odom" as something amazing.



That's unreal.

The fact is that a real prime top 10 of all time player would lead a team to better than 2 7th seeds and a no playoff and actually win a playoff series by himself. Prime Odom is just a bonus. He is a guy who has done 17-10-4 and 15-10-5 before.

Young pre-prime Lebron had no player even close to prime Odom in 2007 and he lead Cleveland past Detriot and prime Lebron is far superior than 2007 Lebron.

[The Choken One]

Another Kobe hate thread, what's new?
intolerable at this point how jelly these kids are of the 2nd greatest SG to ever play.

[funnystuff]

Kobe stans getting ETHERED in this thread. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[funnystuff]

Reality is Kobe is the most big man dependent player in the history of the NBA.

No dominant big man on Kobes team = Missed playoffs/7th seed.


Overrated is an understatement. :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe stans getting ETHERED in this thread. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
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[funnystuff]

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Asian-Facepalm-Of-Shame.gif
Well all i see is facts getting stated, and all youre saying is "He's trolling!!! OMFGBBQW!2143!@"

But all they are is facts, AKA Kobe stans worst enemy. :pimp:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Well all i see is facts getting stated, and all youre saying is "He's trolling!!! OMFGBBQW!2143!@"

But all they are is facts, AKA Kobe stans worst enemy. :pimp:
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[chazzy]

The fact is that a real prime top 10 of all time player would lead a team to better than 2 7th seeds and a no playoff and actually win a playoff series by himself.
KAJ?

[Is He Ill]

Kobe stans getting ETHERED in this thread. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Are we reading the same thread?

[SamuraiSWISH]

:biggums:

This thread is full of idiots. From second2nun to rythmic thesis.

[Magic 32]

So prime Kobe failing in the regular season by having them a 7th seed which forced them to face the 2nd seed is not Kobe's fault?

When Lakers and Cavs held their opponents under 100 points.

Lakers 2005-07

2004-05 = 27-7! (34 total) (Overall record 34-48)
2005-06 = 39-18 (57 total) (Overall record 45-37)
2006-07 = 23-12 (35 total) (Overall record 42-40)

Total Games = 126
Average games per season = 42
Winning percentage in those games = 71% (89-37)

Cavs 2007-10.

2006-07 = 45-20 (65 total) (Overall record 50-32)
2007-08 = 33-15 (48 total) (Overall record 45-37)
2008-09 = 57-7 (64 total) (Overall record 66-16)
2009-10 = 48-10 (58 total) (Overall record 61-21)

Total Games = 235
Average games per season = 59
Winning percentage in those games = 78%

In other words...give Kobe a great defensive team and the eastern conference, and you get the same amount of "succes".




Also when prime Kobe faced a healthy suns team LA lost in 5. He could not even beat an Amareless suns team the year before.

Yet, they had a better record than Detriot without Amare. I wonder why...

http://www.yaysports.com/nba/images/flip%20saunders%2001.png
http://media.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/photo/bulls-pistons-basketballjpg-852f59cb714d31b1_large.jpg



23 year old single Lebron handedly beating Detriot in 2007 puts Kobe to shame.

Game 1: Pistons 79 Cavs 76 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pxQJeHrpjY

Zydrunas Ilgauskas 22 pts, 12 reb (9-17 FG)
Lebron 10 pts 9 ast (5-15 FG)

Lebron blew it. Reason they lost.

Game 2: Pistons 79 Cavs 76 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGvq42Q6NM

Lebron 19 pts 7 ast (7-19 FG)
Sasha Pavlovic 14 pts, 3 stl (7-10 FG)

Cavs blew it. Lebron right there with them.

Game 3: Pistons 82 Cavs 88 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD1BIWytswI

Lebron 32 pts 9 ast (12-21 FG)
Zydrunas Ilgauskas 16 pts, 7 reb (7-14 FG)

Great game be Lebron. Reason they won.

Game 4: Pistons 87 Cavs 91 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyR0LA_iPkA

Lebron 25 pts 11 ast (8-19 FG)
Drew Gooden 19 pts, 8 reb (8-14 FG)
Daniel Gibson 21 pts (4-7 FG)

Ok game be Lebron. Gooden and Gibson tipped the game for the Cavs.

Game 5: Pistons 107 Cavs 109 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Fjn1j6qdM

Lebron 45 pts 9 reb 7 ast (18-33 FG)

Great game by Lebron. Reason they won.

Game 6: Pistons 82 Cavs 98 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8KQKG-G95s

Lebron 20 pts 14 reb 8 ast (3-11 FG)
Daniel Gibson 31 pts (7-9 FG, 5-5 3FG)

Lebron filled the statsheets, but not a very impressive game (Lebron's 6-24?). Daniel Gibson with a very convenient 27 free throws in game 4 and 6 combined (fix?). Won it for the Cavs.


So there you have it.

Lebron "carried his team" in a grand total of two games. Blew game 1 and 2. Barely the best player on the floor for three of the games.

[ihatetimthomas]

It's not even that Kobe had terrible casts. The VERY year before the Lakers made the Finals. They got VALUE in return for Shaq and Payton. Lamar Odom was an all-star snub for the Heat who averaged 17-10 for a team that ADVANCED in the playoffs. Butler was a 15 PPG player. LeBron was catapulting Finals runs and he didn't even have a guy close to Odoms caliber.


How did they get value from Payton? He was never traded.

Odom, Butler and Kobe played a total of 46 games together that year. But of course you didnt watch that season nor do you have an idea of the dynamics that was going on that season. I guess you will omit anything to justify your "argument."

They all missed games and they were injured at separate times meaning they could never gain chemistry and continuity on the court. They also had a coaching change mid season.

You are really reaching if you say that his cast was not bad. Look at their depth. It was terrible. Chucky Atkins was starting and Tierre Brown backed him up. Kobe had sasha backing him up. Butler had Luke Walton and Jumaine Jones backing him up. Odom had Brian Cook. Chris Mihm was essentially the only center on the team that played that year.

Its easy to look at a roster and stats and try to say it was not a bad cast. Just pick and choose the things you want to make your argument. Even if they were healthy, they still had a bad team. The talent they had were Odom, Kobe and Butler and after that they had nothing.

[lefthook00]

The West used to be crazy competitive. I think one year the #1 and #8 seed were only separated by a couple of games, and #4-8 in the East wouldn't have made the playoffs if they were in the West.

Plus taking out the Suns that one year would have been one of the best upsets ever, he almost did it too but he failed.

[secund2nun]

When Lakers and Cavs held their opponents under 100 points.

Lakers 2005-07

2004-05 = 27-7! (34 total) (Overall record 34-48)
2005-06 = 39-18 (57 total) (Overall record 45-37)
2006-07 = 23-12 (35 total) (Overall record 42-40)

Total Games = 126
Average games per season = 42
Winning percentage in those games = 71% (89-37)

Cavs 2007-10.

2006-07 = 45-20 (65 total) (Overall record 50-32)
2007-08 = 33-15 (48 total) (Overall record 45-37)
2008-09 = 57-7 (64 total) (Overall record 66-16)
2009-10 = 48-10 (58 total) (Overall record 61-21)

Total Games = 235
Average games per season = 59
Winning percentage in those games = 78%

In other words...give Kobe a great defensive team and the eastern conference, and you get the same amount of "succes".




Yet, they had a better record than Detriot without Amare. I wonder why...

http://www.yaysports.com/nba/images/flip%20saunders%2001.png
http://media.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/photo/bulls-pistons-basketballjpg-852f59cb714d31b1_large.jpg



Game 1: Pistons 79 Cavs 76 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pxQJeHrpjY

Zydrunas Ilgauskas 22 pts, 12 reb (9-17 FG)
Lebron 10 pts 9 ast (5-15 FG)

Lebron blew it. Reason they lost.

Game 2: Pistons 79 Cavs 76 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGvq42Q6NM

Lebron 19 pts 7 ast (7-19 FG)
Sasha Pavlovic 14 pts, 3 stl (7-10 FG)

Cavs blew it. Lebron right there with them.

Game 3: Pistons 82 Cavs 88 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD1BIWytswI

Lebron 32 pts 9 ast (12-21 FG)
Zydrunas Ilgauskas 16 pts, 7 reb (7-14 FG)

Great game be Lebron. Reason they won.

Game 4: Pistons 87 Cavs 91 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyR0LA_iPkA

Lebron 25 pts 11 ast (8-19 FG)
Drew Gooden 19 pts, 8 reb (8-14 FG)
Daniel Gibson 21 pts (4-7 FG)

Ok game be Lebron. Gooden and Gibson tipped the game for the Cavs.

Game 5: Pistons 107 Cavs 109 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Fjn1j6qdM

Lebron 45 pts 9 reb 7 ast (18-33 FG)

Great game by Lebron. Reason they won.

Game 6: Pistons 82 Cavs 98 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8KQKG-G95s

Lebron 20 pts 14 reb 8 ast (3-11 FG)
Daniel Gibson 31 pts (7-9 FG, 5-5 3FG)

Lebron filled the statsheets, but not a very impressive game (Lebron's 6-24?). Daniel Gibson with a very convenient 27 free throws in game 4 and 6 combined (fix?). Won it for the Cavs.


So there you have it.

Lebron "carried his team" in a grand total of two games. Blew game 1 and 2. Barely the best player on the floor for three of the games.


That is the weakest argument I have ever heard. A real top 10 of all time player would impact his team so great that they would become a top team by their presence alone. Kobe cannot impact the game that way because he simply was not good enough to do that.

It was prime Kobe's failures that led to the no playoffs and back to back 7th seeds. He wasn't good enough- plain and simple.

As for 2007 Detriot, LOL Lebron carried them. To even argue otherwise is ridiculous. That series was one of the biggest "superstar carrying a team" series in years. That 2007 Cavs roster was awful.

2007 Detriot would have beaten an Amare-less Suns team. Their style of play actually translates into the playoffs. Also replace Kobe with Lebron and they don't lose in 5 to the healthy Suns. Lebron alone would have pushed that series to 6-7 games.

[Magic 32]

That is the weakest argument I have ever heard. A real top 10 of all time player would impact his team so great that they would become a top team by their presence alone. Kobe cannot impact the game that way because he simply was not good enough to do that.

It was prime Kobe's failures that led to the no playoffs and back to back 7th seeds. He wasn't good enough- plain and simple.

As for 2007 Detriot, LOL Lebron carried them. To even argue otherwise is ridiculous. That series was one of the biggest "superstar carrying a team" series in years. That 2007 Cavs roster was awful.

2007 Detriot would have beaten an Amare-less Suns team. Their style of play actually translates into the playoffs. Also replace Kobe with Lebron and they don't lose in 5 to the healthy Suns. Lebron alone would have pushed that series to 6-7 games.

I supply facts, you supply opinions. You lose.

And no comments on the bad games by Lebron? no comments on the great games by his role players?

And of course no knowledge of the history of the Pistons franchise as well.

"Their style of play actually translates into the playoffs"


The 2007 Pistons were literally....like, literally....nothing compared to the 2004 Pistons. They substituted a legendary defense for a great offense, a decision made by a new head coach in Flip Saunders. A great offense that led them to a exceptional season, but a disappointing postseason (as they were the heavy favorites by the All Star break). If you watched basketball that year and in 2004, you would know that the team the Cavs beat in 2007 were a much different team in terms of dynamic than the 2004 Pistons the Lakers faced.

No wonder you love Lebron. You have no idea what you talkin about.

[rhythmic]

:biggums:

This thread is full of idiots. From second2nun to rythmic thesis.

Oh yeah? And if 7/11 added a new flavor of slurpees called "MJ's jizz" I bet you'd be their most regular customer.

[SamuraiSWISH]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[DMAVS41]

Maybe you should read through the thread to get a better perspective of what was actually happening at the time..

You keep mentioning Caron butler as if he was on the team, he wasn't. He was traded before the season

People in that thread are hanging on the hope of Smush Parker, Kwame Brown and Von Wafer to step up and help them make the playoffs...

Moron. When someone says the 05 Lakers...it means the 05 Lakers...as in the 04-05 season.

I know perfectly well who was on the 05 Lakers. And there is no reason to think a healthy 05 Lakers team should miss the playoffs.

So STFU and learn to use your brain. You don't even know how to label a season.

[secund2nun]

I supply facts, you supply opinions. You lose.

And no comments on the bad games by Lebron? no comments on the great games by his role players?

And of course no knowledge of the history of the Pistons franchise as well.

"Their style of play actually translates into the playoffs"



No wonder you love Lebron. You have no idea what you talkin about.

Those "bad games" were still by far the best Cavs performances and that was with Lebron taking up triples. Next.

Great games by his role players? LOL

The 2007 Pistons were obviously not the 2004 Pistons, but the 2007 Pistons were certainly better than the Suns without Amare.

What is more impressive, 23 year old Lebron beating 2007 Detriot in 6 or prime Kobe losing to the Suns without Amare or prime Kobe losing to the healthy suns in 5? And Odom was way better than any Lebron Cav teammate.

[Magic 32]

Those "bad games" were still by far the best Cavs performances and that was with Lebron taking up triples. Next.

Great games by his role players? LOL



http://oi44.tinypic.com/8wfuo8.jpg

and that's not including Lebron's game 1 turkey.

10 pts 9 ast (5-15 FG)



The 2007 Pistons were obviously not the 2004 Pistons, but the 2007 Pistons were certainly better than the Suns without Amare.

What is more impressive, 23 year old Lebron beating 2007 Detriot in 6 or prime Kobe losing to the Suns without Amare or prime Kobe losing to the healthy suns in 5? And Odom was way better than any Lebron Cav teammate.

So, can you decide who you want to compare the Pistons with?. A 61 win team with Amare or a 53 win team without him. Looks to me you want it both ways.

[secund2nun]

http://oi44.tinypic.com/8wfuo8.jpg

and that's not including Lebron's game 1 turkey.

10 pts 9 ast (5-15 FG)



So, can you decide who you want to compare with the Pistons. A 61 win team with Amare or a 53 win team without him. Looks to me you want it both ways.

Lebron was taking triple teams because his teammates were so poor, leaving them wide open and even then that list you have is underwhelming. Aside from Gibson's one game and big Z's one game, there is not a great performance by any other teammate there are a few good ones. Overall they are very sparse, but it makes sense because none of his teammates were any good.

Averages for the 2007 Detriot series:


Boobie Gibson:

13.5 PPG, 2.8 rpg, 1.3 apg, 46% fg


Drew Gooden:

9 PPG, 5 RPG, 44% fg


Big Z:

13 PPG, 9 RPG, 50% fg


Sasha Pavlovic:

9 PPG, 3 RPG, 1.5 APG, 39% FG


Larry Hughes:

7 PPG, 3 RPG, 2 APG 34% FG


Anderson Varejao:

7.5 PPG, 6 RPG, 46%





Enough said. And yes you can compare performances against anyone. 23 year old Lebron was putting prime Kobe to shame.

[PickernRoller]

Triple teams by daring him to shoot :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol .....

What's next? UFC?

[Vienceslav]

Enough said. And yes you can compare performances against anyone. 23 year old Lebron was putting prime Kobe to shame.
I know you are trolling and all, but don't go full retard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjfxlvvXfSw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVnDLP8xKE4
Roughly the same age as the 07 Cavs run.

[secund2nun]

Triple teams by daring him to shoot :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol .....

What's next? UFC?

Double, triples. They swarmed Lebron when he had the ball.

No one can deny how poor his teammates were and how poorly they performed against Detriot.

[secund2nun]

I know you are trolling and all, but don't go full retard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjfxlvvXfSw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVnDLP8xKE4
Roughly the same age as the 07 Cavs run.

Don't go flat out delusional. Prime Shaq maybe the best player of all time and he was taking constant doubles in the paint leaving Kobe wide open- and even then as a whole Kobe's performance were nowhere near Shaq's. Lebron was carrying Cleveland. Shaq was carrying LA. Nice try.

When prime Kobe tries to carry a team= back to back 7th seed and a missed playoffs which is just sad even with a player like Odom helping him. Take Odom off of that team and replace him with Larry Hughes and that team may have not even made the playoffs.

Look at how well Odom did when the PHX series (no Amare) was taken to 7 games:

19 PPG, 11 RPG , 5 APG on 50% fg.

Even the following postseason when LA lost to healthy PHX in 5 Odom did well:

19.4 PPG, 13 RPG, 2 APG on 48% fg

[Magic 32]

Lebron was taking triple teams because his teammates were so poor, leaving them wide open

Poor teammates knocking down shots. :hammerhead: :hammerhead:



Aside from Gibson's one game and big Z's one game, there is not a great performance by any other teammate.


Gibson had as many 30+ games in one series as "prime Odom" had in two.

[Magic 32]

Don't go flat out delusional. Prime Shaq maybe the best player of all time and he was taking constant doubles in the paint leaving Kobe wide open- and even then as a whole Kobe's performance were nowhere near Shaq's. Lebron was carrying Cleveland. Shaq was carrying LA. Nice try.


Shaq almost didn't play in Kobe's 48/16 game.

[secund2nun]

The 2006-2007 game was 13-9 in games Odom did not play (0-2 with Odom in 2005-2006), so without Odom I actually believe they would have missed the playoffs

[secund2nun]

Gibson had as many 30+ games in one series as "prime Odom" had in two.


:applause:

This defines Kobe trolls. Comparing Boobie Gibson, who is a worthless scrub, to prime Odom.

Boobie Gibson's statline of:
13.5 PPG, 2.8 rpg, 1.3 apg, 46% fg

Vs Lamar Odom's statlines of:
19 PPG, 11 RPG , 5 APG on 50% fg
AND
19.4 PPG, 13 RPG, 2 APG on 48% fg

:roll:

[Doranku]

The 2006-2007 game was 13-9 in games Odom did not play (0-2 with Odom in 2005-2006), so without Odom I actually believe they would have missed the playoffs

13-9 is a better percentage than the 42-40 record that the Lakers ended up with in 2006-2007 you stupid f*cking rat.

[secund2nun]

Shaq almost didn't play in Kobe's 48/16 game.

Yet he did play for 38 mins.

[secund2nun]

13-9 is a better percentage than the 42-40 record that the Lakers ended up with in 2006-2007 you stupid f*cking rat.

You are right, my bad. It shows how easy it is to sneak into the playoffs as a 42-40 7th playoff seed.

Prime Kobe= 42-40 7th playoff seed. That is losing almost every other game. That is terrible.

:roll: at your anger.

But then again the 2006-2007 Lakers were 3-2 without Kobe :lol

[Magic 32]

:applause:

This defines Kobe trolls. Comparing Boobie Gibson, who is a worthless scrub, to prime Odom.

Boobie Gibson's statline of:
13.5 PPG, 2.8 rpg, 1.3 apg, 46% fg

Vs Lamar Odom's statlines of:
19 PPG, 11 RPG , 5 APG on 50% fg
AND
19.4 PPG, 13 RPG, 2 APG on 48% fg

:roll:

lol

Comparing a bench player with the second option.

[Magic 32]

Yet he did play for 38 mins.

Kobe took over when Shaq was on the bench.

Look it up.

[Doranku]

LeBron put up 25-8-8 on like 41% during the 2007 playoffs. It was Cleveland's defense (and the atrocious competition that they faced) which catapulted them into the finals, not LeBron.

He was Derrick Rose before Derrick Rose. :oldlol:

[Magic 32]

You are right, my bad. It shows how easy it is to sneak into the playoffs as a 42-40 7th playoff seed.

2005-06 Wizards 42-40
2006-07 Wizards 41-41
2006-07 Nets 41-41
2007-08 Wizards 43-39
2008-09 Pistons 39-43
2009-10 Bulls 41-41

You should talk :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:



Prime Kobe= 42-40 7th playoff seed. That is losing almost every other game. That is terrible.

But then again the 2006-2007 Lakers were 3-2 without Kobe :lol

Yes, Lakers won the first 2 games of the season without Kobe. Big deal.

Then they fell apart when injuries killed the team. 26-13 before that happend.

But why be nuanced when you can be a jackass.

[secund2nun]

LeBron put up 25-8-8 on like 41% during the 2007 playoffs. It was Cleveland's defense (and the atrocious competition that they faced) which catapulted them into the finals, not LeBron.

He was Derrick Rose before Derrick Rose. :oldlol:

Lebron's 25 ppg on 20 spg, 8, 8 was not a bad statline for such a young player carrying a team of trash to the finals. Lebron carried them even you Kobe stans know that deep down.

[secund2nun]

2005-06 Wizards 42-40
2006-07 Wizards 41-41
2006-07 Nets 41-41
2007-08 Wizards 43-39
2008-09 Pistons 39-43
2009-10 Bulls 41-41

You should talk :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:



Yes, Lakers won the first 2 games of the season without Kobe. Big deal.

Then they fell apart when injuries killed the team. 26-13 before that happend.

But why be nuanced when you can be a jackass.

You bringing up the other scrub teams that sqeaked into the playoffs with .500 records only proves my point of how badly Kobe was for them to get 2 7th seeds and 1 missed playoffs. It's easier for a real superstar to get better than a 7th seed. Not sure why you brought those teams up.

Kobe was still playing for that season, just more excuses for your 7th seed Kobe.\

You Kobe stans are pathetic resorting to personal attacks when your fraud Kobe is exposed by the TRUTH. You are the immature jackass whining like a cry baby.

[secund2nun]

Kobe took over when Shaq was on the bench.

Look it up.

Anyone can take over for 10 mins. When Shaq left it turned from 3 peat-ville to 7th seed first round knockout ville.

[Magic 32]

You bringing up the other scrub teams that sqeaked into the playoffs with .500 records only proves my point of how badly Kobe was for them to get 2 7th seeds and 1 missed playoffs. Not sure why you brought those teams up.

Scrub teams indeed. That's want Lebron could beat for 4 years. And the Chris Webber Pistons of course.



It's easier for a real superstar to get better than a 7th seed.

Between 2000 and 2010, only two teams in the west had a better seed than 6th without an all-star bigman.



You Kobe stans are pathetic resorting to personal attacks when your fraud Kobe is exposed by the TRUTH. You are the immature jackass whining like a cry baby.

Tells it like it is. Can't ignore the anger and stupidity in front of me.

[secund2nun]

Scrub teams indeed. That's want Lebron could beat for 4 years. And the Chris Webber Pistons of course.



Between 2000 and 2010, only two teams in the west had a better seed than 6th without an all-star bigman.



Tells it like it is. Can't ignore the anger and stupidity in front of me.

The NBA is full of scrubs so much that it's easier to get 50+ wins a decent seed, but Kobe still got 2 7th seeds and a missed playoffs lol.

That's because big men are the best and underrated. Wings like Kobe are overrated. Only rare wings like MJ, Lebron and Durant are actually legit superstars.

[Magic 32]

The NBA is full of scrubs so much that it's easier to get 50+ wins a decent seed, but Kobe still got 2 7th seeds and a missed playoffs lol.

That's because big men are the best and underrated. Wings like Kobe are overrated. Only rare wings like MJ, Lebron and Durant are actually legit superstars.

Do you want the equivalent stat on the eastern conference side?

I don't think we have enough space on the internet for that.

Iverson, Arenas, Air Canada, Lebron, and on and on and on....

[funnystuff]

I've said this many times, and i've heard many many many people say it.

Kobe is the most big man dependent superstar there ever was.

[Magic 32]

I've said this many times, and i've heard many many many people say it.

Kobe is the most big man dependent superstar there ever was.

Magic and Bird would disagree.