Early prediction thread: Where will LeBron sign in the summer of 2014?

[Doranku]

A few things to consider:

-For the first time since LeBron joined Miami, the East has more than one good team
-Wade is falling off.... fast
-Bosh still has no identity on the Heat team

With all of this in mind, it is very likely that the Heat will fall short of a 3peat next year... and it will only go downhill after that. And LeBron knows this. My question is... where will he go to avoid this?

Back to Cleveland to team up with Kyrie and Bynum? To LA with Melo to form Miami 2.0 with Kobe? Many interesting possibilities. Discuss.

[Electric Slide]

Miami to continue to win titles

Keep dreaming

[longtime lurker]

Miami to continue to win titles

Keep dreaming

You sure love to talk a lot about Kobe and Lebron considering you're a Knicks fan hmmmm

[Real Men Wear Green]

Either tries to make a Dynasty in Miami (more likely) or bring a Championship to Cleveland (less likely). No reason to go anywhere else.

[therammingman]

pls dont start this shit already

[Doranku]

pls dont start this shit already

Why not? Threads like these are fun to bump in the future after the event actually occurs to see what the general perception was like in the past.

[9erempiree]

I see Lebron joining another team, once Wade hits his decline.

[branslowski]

If Wade falls completely off the map, LeBron will jump to another team with a top 10 player, so Thunder, Rockets, or Knicks in 2014'.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You sure love to talk a lot about Kobe and Lebron considering you're a Knicks fan hmmmm

He's about as much of a Knicks fan as I am of Mark Madsen.

[Spaulding]

I see Lebron joining another team, once Wade hits his decline.

This. If Heat cant find a suitable replacement for Wade then Bron will go somewhere else to get more titles.

Wade has a couple years left, but who really knows because he plays hurt all the time now.

Bron will resign with Heat but only for a couple years.

[KyleKong]

If Wade falls completely off the map, LeBron will jump to another team with a top 10 player, so Thunder, Rockets, or Knicks in 2014'.

Who on the Knicks is a top 10 player?

:roll: :roll:

[Electric Slide]

Who on the Knicks is a top 10 player?

:roll: :roll:
Iman Shumpert

[KyleKong]

Iman Shumpert

:rockon:

[funnystuff]

I see Lebron joining another team, once Wade hits his decline.
You say that as if Wade actually put up good minutes in those championship runs.

[It's A VC3!!!]

Why not? Threads like these are fun to bump in the future after the event actually occurs to see what the general perception was like in the past.
The problem is that their will be 500 threads similar to this between now and the summer of 2014. So since we have 500 threads to choose from to "bump in the future", I don't know if this specific one will be bumped.:lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Miami

[Human Error]

If Lebron is not happy playing with an aging Wade, then why would he join Kobe and the Lakers??? Kobe fans are hilarious.

[EnoughSaid]

If Miami three-peats, Wade seems healthy, and Bosh improves from last season, he is staying 100%. Especially if Oden proves to be a terrific signing. If Wade is injured, Bosh plays like shit, Oden gets injured, and Miami loses, then you start talking about Cleveland and only Cleveland.

[Uncle Drew]

He'll stay with the Heat.

[fpliii]

I originally thought he'd go to Cleveland or LA in free agency next year, but a few weeks ago Stephen A. was saying on the radio that LeBron wants to stay in Miami for two more seasons until DWade retires. This may not be 100% accurate, but it's the best information we have. Since he has a player option in 2015, I guess he'll make his decision then.

I'm not a huge fan of his but it'd be great if he signs with the Lakers. I think Cleveland, NY (if Melo leaves after this season), Dallas (Cuban is always dangerous) and Miami (even if Wade's gone, Riley's still there) are more likely though.

[DirkNowitzki41]

Either Miami or Cleveland, imo.

LA, or NY will be rumored but I highly doubt he actually goes there.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Maybe LeCoward stays loyal to Miami, and his buddy Wade? We'll see. I thought personally it would be poetic, and kind of morally obligated to go back to Cleveland. I actually think they're set up better going forward with younger pieces, and he could finish his career where he started in a #6 uniform for Cleveland. Get his jersey retired both in Cleveland and Miami. It would be a way for him to follow through on his empty promises, and to give back to the fans / hometown that he did wrong in the summer of 2010.

[KyleKong]

Miami.

[PJR]

I mean it's really not even worth a discussion. The Heat have won back to back titles, have an excellent young head coach, and is the best ran organization top to bottom in all of NBA.

The fact that there is even hype for the 2014 free agency class is hilarious. It's all about nothing.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I mean it's really not even worth a discussion. The Heat have won back to back titles, have an excellent young head coach, and is the best ran organization top to bottom in all of NBA.
Spo? Excellent? Besides rebounding and interior defense, he's arguably the franchises weakest link by far. They win in spite of him.

Personally, I think he sucks. How he didn't win with that talent in 2011, or make it easier on them coming together is beyond me. All he did was say go ISO, and switch on and off between LeBron and Wade his first two seasons with them.

Miami is just so talented it doesn't matter, they still got to the Finals and won rings.

Even now with Spot still much hasn't changed. The draw for players to Miami is a) the location, b) the party / women scene, c) Pat Riley, d) now the chance to win titles.

If Wade doesn't recover next year, and Bosh continues to decline ... and they don't win a 3rd straight? Cleveland is better set up for the future if they re-sign Kyrie Irving. Facts.

[DaSeba5]

I mean it's really not even worth a discussion. The Heat have won back to back titles, have an excellent young head coach, and is the best ran organization top to bottom in all of NBA.

The fact that there is even hype for the 2014 free agency class is hilarious. It's all about nothing.

This. It's ridiculous.

[PJR]

Spo? Excellent? Besides rebounding and interior defense, he's arguably the franchises weakest link by far. They win in spite of him.

Personally, I think he sucks. How he didn't win with that talent in 2011, or make it easier on them coming together is beyond me. All he did was say go ISO, and switch on and off between LeBron and Wade his first two seasons with them.


Personally, I don't think you know what you're talking about bruh.

Spoelstra is a handpicked disciple of Pat Riley. And Pat Riley has more acumen for coaching in his left pinky.... than you, I, or anyone else on this planet does in their entire body. So to insinuate that Spo is some sort of weak link sounds kind of ridiculous. If Pat Riley thinks he can coach?

He can coach.

The Heat have had three straight Finals appearances, back to back titles, and have had a 27 game winning streak under Spo. A weak link my ass.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Personally, I don't think you know what you're talking about bruh.
Pretty sure your Miami Heat jersey is on too tight. Cutting off oxygen to your brain.

Spo sucks, always has. He's a twerp whose a puppet for Riley. That's why he was handpicked. No one else would willing be a front man for Riley, who gives his input when he feels like it.

That's why he went back up into the GM office after the failures in 2007 to repeat. He wants to coach when he feels like it.


The Heat have had three straight Finals appearances, back to back titles, and have had a 27 game winning streak under Spo. A weak link my ass.
Ummm, no. Anyone with half a brain knows the success is because of LeBron / Wade and Bosh came together like un-competitive cowards, and tried to stack the deck from a talent perspective to win multiple rings the easy way.

[Frozen1]

Lebron stans have the ring chaser mentality, saying "well, if bosh plays like shit again and wade continue to decline, he might jump ship to another contender".

In my opinion he does not think like that, and if he does not resign with the heat, the only team i see him going is cleveland cavaliers.

Not saying lebron wasn

[Heavincent]

It doesn't take a mastermind head coach to win with the Heat roster. I wouldn't say Spo sucks though; just middle of the pack. There are probably about 10-15 coaches I'd take over him.

[PJR]

Pretty sure your Miami Heat jersey is on too tight. Cutting off oxygen to your brain.

Spo sucks, always has. He's a twerp whose a puppet for Riley. That's why he was handpicked. No one else would willing be a front man for Riley, who gives his input when he feels like it.

That's why he went back up into the GM office after the failures in 2007 to repeat. He wants to coach when he feels like it.


Your 'insight' is hilarious. Particularly because you're clueless.

Why don't you label SPECIFIC reasons why you don't think Spoelstra is a good coach? Humor me.

Do the Heat not run a proficient offense? Do they not execute a sound and effective defensive system?

The job of a head coach is to maximize the ability of his team, and his players. And to win. And Spo has done a pretty good job of that. *shrugs*.




Ummm, no. Anyone with half a brain knows the success is because of LeBron / Wade and Bosh came together like un-competitive cowards, and tried to stack the deck from a talent perspective to win multiple rings the easy way.

So you're not giving him any credit because he has great players? That's rich.

I've got news for you: There is no great head coach, without great players, even if the talent consist only of not screwing it up, that's more than enough.

[Doranku]

I mean it's really not even worth a discussion. The Heat have won back to back titles, have an excellent young head coach, and is the best ran organization top to bottom in all of NBA.

The fact that there is even hype for the 2014 free agency class is hilarious. It's all about nothing.



This. It's ridiculous.

Typical Heat stan/bandwagoner response. How many people predicted LeBron would leave Cleveland for Miami during the 2009 offseason?

The only thing ridiculous is idiots like you two completely ruling out him leaving.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Typical Heat stan/bandwagoner response. How many people predicted LeBron would leave Cleveland for Miami during the 2009 offseason?

The only thing ridiculous is idiots like you two completely ruling out him leaving.
They're Heat cheerleaders without an ounce of objectivity, what do you expect?

If anything, history tells us you can't trust LeBron, and he certainly isn't loyal. So anything can happen.

To refuse to believe like it can't is absurd. He bailed on his HS, on the Cavs, whose to say if pastures look greener elsewhere that LeBron won't bounce again?

[KyrieTheFuture]

I'd just like to point out that lebron to the lakers with melo is impossible but I don't think anyone really cares about reality in this thread

[PJR]

Typical Heat stan/bandwagoner response. How many people predicted LeBron would leave Cleveland for Miami during the 2009 offseason?

The only thing ridiculous is idiots like you two completely ruling out him leaving.

Little boy, do me a favor in shutting the f*ck up.

Seriously, the go too 'insult' on this site is bandwagoner this, bandwagoner that.

How about this: YOU'RE the bandwagoner! Seriously, The AUDACITY of any Laker 'fan' labeling anyone a bandwagoner is hilarious to me. :oldlol:

And was Cleveland coming off back to back titles in 2009, or have Pat Riley in their front office? No.

And BTW, Where exactly did LeBron LEAVE Cleveland to go to?

Exactly.

[DaSeba5]

Typical Heat stan/bandwagoner response. How many people predicted LeBron would leave Cleveland for Miami during the 2009 offseason?

The only thing ridiculous is idiots like you two completely ruling out him leaving.

:sleeping

He left Cleveland to win championships. Now that he's won two championships with Miami, he's going to go back to Cleveland?

A Laker fan calling someone a bandwagon fan is hilarious.

[DaSeba5]

So we're bandwagon fans because we don't think LeBron is leaving and Spo is a terrible coach and overrated because he coaches stars. A poster on ISH knows so much more than Pat Riley who handpicked Spo to coach this team. Why would LeBron want to play for such a terrible overrated coach? I'm so glad I came into this thread. I've learned so much.

[SamuraiSWISH]

So we're bandwagon fans because we don't think LeBron is leaving and Spo is a terrible coach and overrated because he coaches stars. Why would LeBron want to play for him? I'm so glad I came into this thread. I'm learned so much.
LeBron went to Miami to play with Wade and Bosh, and be a young multi-millionaire in a land of milk and honey. Filled to the brim with gorgeous latin beauties. He did so because he was convinced by one of the greatest coaches of all-time, and master manipulator Pat Riley.

No one saying LeBron IS leaving. We're saying you have no objectivity because you're acting like it isn't possible. No one claimed it was probable.

Context tells us he could return to Cleveland, he got his quick fix of rings like he wanted, as the coward he is ... and Wade / Bosh have been regressing at a rapid rate. He's going to stay because of the almighty puppet twerp head coach, Erick Molestya?

Meanwhile Cleveland would allow him to fufill promises he bailed on, return to good graces of his hometown, restore perception fully ... and a young rising star in Kyrie Irving with time on his side (unlike Wade) and a possible healthy top 2 center in Andrew Bynum?

His former friend, teammates, and PG of St Vincent St Marys being the fascilitator of his reunion in Cleveland with Dan Gilbert. Smoothing things over.

You'd be a clown to think there isn't reasons for LeBron to go back to Cleveland depending on how things play out for both Miami and Cleveland.

[Doranku]

Little boy, do me a favor in shutting the f*ck up.

Seriously, the go too 'insult' on this site is bandwagoner this, bandwagoner that.

How about this: YOU'RE the bandwagoner! Seriously, The AUDACITY of any Laker 'fan' labeling anyone a bandwagoner is hilarious to me. :oldlol:

And was Cleveland coming off back to back titles in 2009, or have Pat Riley in their front office? No.

And BTW, Where exactly did LeBron LEAVE Cleveland to go to?

Exactly.
:roll: @ this dude. Makes his username Pat Riley's initials, then constantly insults Lakers and their fans. Do you know what team your "idol" used to coach?

Of course not, because you're a bandwagoning little rat.

[PickernRoller]

He will resign in Miami.

[DaSeba5]

LeBron went to Miami to play with Wade and Bosh, and be a young multi-millionaire in a land of milk and honey. Filled to the brim with gorgeous latin beauties. He did so because he was convinced by one of the greatest coaches of all-time, and master manipulator Pat Riley.

No one saying LeBron IS leaving. We're saying you have no objectivity because you're acting like it isn't possible. No one claimed it was probable.

Context tells us he could return to Cleveland, he got his quick fix of rings like he wanted, as the coward he is ... and Wade / Bosh have been regressing at a rapid rate. He's going to stay because of the almighty puppet twerp head coach, Erick Molestya?

Meanwhile Cleveland would allow him to fufill promises he bailed on, return to good graces of his hometown, restore perception fully ... and a young rising star in Kyrie Irving with time on his side (unlike Wade) and a possible healthy top 2 center in Andrew Bynum?

His former friend, teammates, and PG of St Vincent St Marys being the fascilitator of his reunion in Cleveland with Dan Gilbert. Smoothing things over.

You'd be a clown to think there isn't reasons for LeBron to go back to Cleveland depending on how things play out for both Miami and Cleveland.

I didn't say he was a lock to stay in Miami, but people are acting like it's 50/50 between Miami and Cleveland. He's happy down here. Everything you are saying sounds very logical, but it sounds more like wishful thinking. He jumped ship to win rings. He's won them now; he's not going to continue to chase rings and jumped to other teams. Pat Riley and the Heat have a proven track record of winning titles, and putting talent with and around their stars. The Cavs have a young team and a bright future, but you are telling me he's going to jump ship to a unproven Cavs team? It doesn't make sense to me.

[niko]

Nets. Nets>your team. Your team sucks. Tell em it'saVC3.

[PJR]

And he's going to return to Cleveland so he can play the rest of what remains of his prime with a core that thus far can't rise above the top of the lottery, for a coach he apparently didn't have the most confidence in when left, a place that couldn't draw a single worthwhile free agent when he was there last time, and for about 30 Million less.

Yeah...Not likely.

[niko]

Either Miami or Cleveland, imo.

LA, or NY will be rumored but I highly doubt he actually goes there.
NY doesn't have cap space so no.

[WolfGang]

He's coming to New Orleans. :banana:

Jrue Holiday/Austin Rivers
Tyreke Evans/Eric Gordon
Lebron James/ Aminu
Anthony Davis/Ryan Anderson
Jason Smith/Greg Stiem

[zoom17]

He will resign in Miami.

:rockon:

[DaSeba5]

:roll: @ this dude. Makes his username Pat Riley's initials, then constantly insults Lakers and their fans. Do you know what team your "idol" used to coach?

Of course not, because you're a bandwagoning little rat.

All you've done is thrown insults at people. How am I supposed to take you serious? At least the other guy is trying have some form of argument without insults.

[Doranku]

All you've done is thrown insults at people. How am I supposed to take you serious? At least the other guy is trying have some form of argument without insults.

Frankly, I couldn't care less if you take me seriously or not. You can exit my thread whenever you so please.

[DaSeba5]

Frankly, I couldn't care less if you take me seriously or not. You can exit my thread whenever you so please.

Well I guess I may be a bandwagon Heat cheerleader, but at least I've been classy and objective. Pity the Laker bandwagon can't do the same.

[Legends66NBA7]

He should go to Toronto.

Best fanbase in the NBA right here, come over Bron. :cheers:

[red1]

Miami or cleveland on a longshot. Nothing else is realistic IMO

[PJR]

:roll: @ this dude. Makes his username Pat Riley's initials, then constantly insults Lakers and their fans. Do you know what team your "idol" used to coach?

Of course not, because you're a bandwagoning little rat.

How many Laker games have you been to the last 5 years? Can you even afford Laker tickets?

Hell, do you even live in the LA County area or the Orange County area? If your answers are as following: Zero, no, and no...Like I bet they are...You're the bandwagoner my friend.


I'm a bandwagoner that's been a Heat season ticket holder since 2000, when the Triple A first opened. And been going to Heat games long before then. And been a resident of South Florida for my entire life. Just a lil FYI.

And I will continue to insult the contingent of Laker fanantics on ISH because

1.)Not all, but a good portion of y'all are pretty stupid, (I.E. you)

2.) It's funny

And BTW, my user handle is NOT representative of Pat Riley's initials. That is purely a strange coincidence. It's actually MY name. (P)eter Jr.

But the hoes just call me Junior. :pimp:

[Trollsmasher]

I like how SamuraiSWISH does not even try to respond to PJR's ethering comment about Spo's coaching:roll:

Dude is so clueless when his pretended knowledge gets exposed:lol

[RRR3]

PJR and DaSeba etherin' foo's

[SamuraiSWISH]

PJR and DaSeba etherin' foo's
Shut your geek ass up. What did he ether? He said Spo is a great coach because they run an offense? I didn't address the last post because it's filled with Heat knob slobbing drivel. It doesn't take a genius to see the Heat are who they are because of their core group of talent that formed in cowardly fashion. Maybe Spo isn't terrible, but he's hardly special. Anyone could go coach that Heat team and at the very least make the Finals. They played in a weakened conference due to injury, and have the most stacked team in the conference.

[RRR3]

Shut your geek ass up. What did he ether? He said Spo is a great coach because they run an offense? I didn't address the last post because it's filled with Heat knob slobbing drivel. It doesn't take a genius to see the Heat are who they are because of their core group of talent that formed in cowardly fashion. Maybe Spo isn't terrible, but he's hardly special. Anyone could go coach that Heat team and at the very least make the Finals. They played in a weakened conference due to injury, and have the most stacked team in the conference.
http://i.imm.io/1ahgS.gif

[chazzy]

PJR and DaSeba etherin' foo's
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=258028

[RRR3]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=258028
Should have fired him. :confusedshrug:

[SamuraiSWISH]

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6500/capturekig.jpg

[Legends66NBA7]

Spo isn't a great coach, IMO either. But since they've won back to back, not like their going to fire him now.

[zoom17]

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6500/capturekig.jpg
:oldlol:

[LongLiveTheKing]

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6500/capturekig.jpg
Why you gotta do him like that? :roll:






Anyways I think he stays or goes to Cleveland.

[TonyMontana]

I like how RRR3 ran out of the thread as soon as that pic was posted.


Your 'insight' is hilarious. Particularly because you're clueless.

Why don't you label SPECFIC reasons why you don't think Spoelstra is a good coach? Humor me.

Do the Heat not run a proficient offense? Do they not execute a sound and effective defensive system?

The job of a head coach is to maximize the ability of his team, and his players. And to win. And Spo's has done a pretty good job of that. *shrugs*.


I'm going to bump this post because it has failed to be addressed.

People like talking shit about Spo, but they never give specific reasons. Any kind of ACTUAL insight. Any criticism will be casual fan garbage like "he choked in 2011". Ok, but Spo and LeBron have worked together to figure out how to optimize the offense around him, so the best player in the world is being correctly utilized to his full potential. His tweakin has resulted in back to back rings. Good adjusting if I say so myself.

Hes been an excellent defensive coach even before LeBron. Pat Riley doesn't pick retards to take over for him. Both SVG and Spo have proven to be quality coaches.

[PickernRoller]

:roll: @ this dude. Makes his username Pat Riley's initials, then constantly insults Lakers and their fans. Do you know what team your "idol" used to coach?

Of course not, because you're a bandwagoning little rat.

That's a compliment there. You went too easy on him.

[Doranku]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=258028
:roll: Got 'em!

[Le Shaqtus]

I like how RRR3 ran out of the thread as soon as that pic was posted.



I'm going to bump this post because it has failed to be addressed.

People like talking shit about Spo, but they never give specific reasons. Any kind of ACTUAL insight. Any criticism will be casual fan garbage like "he choked in 2011". Ok, but Spo and LeBron have worked together to figure out how to optimize the offense around him, so the best player in the world is being correctly utilized to his full potential. His tweakin has resulted in back to back rings. Good adjusting if I say so myself.

Hes been an excellent defensive coach even before LeBron. Pat Riley doesn't pick retards to take over for him. Both SVG and Spo have proven to be quality coaches.

You're a piece of shit but this is 100% correct.

[DaSeba5]

I like how RRR3 ran out of the thread as soon as that pic was posted.



I'm going to bump this post because it has failed to be addressed.

People like talking shit about Spo, but they never give specific reasons. Any kind of ACTUAL insight. Any criticism will be casual fan garbage like "he choked in 2011". Ok, but Spo and LeBron have worked together to figure out how to optimize the offense around him, so the best player in the world is being correctly utilized to his full potential. His tweakin has resulted in back to back rings. Good adjusting if I say so myself.

Hes been an excellent defensive coach even before LeBron. Pat Riley doesn't pick retards to take over for him. Both SVG and Spo have proven to be quality coaches.

I couldn't agree more

[Graviton]

People are just clueless about SPo, who the **** do you think is responsible for the swarming, rotating defense Miami utilize, who is the one responsible for that amazing spacing and 3 point shooting focused offense. Who was the one who put in Birdman and Miller when Wade and Bosh were struggling? Dude never gets credit.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Who on the Knicks is a top 10 player?

:roll: :roll:

name your top 10 little b1tch

[Graviton]

name your top 10 little b1tch
Lebron
Durant
Paul
Wade
Westbrook
Howard
Rose
Harden
Parker
Deron
Duncan
Kobe
Healthy Dirk

[Electric Slide]

Lebron
Durant
Paul
Wade
Westbrook
Howard
Rose
Harden
Parker
Deron
Duncan
Kobe
Healthy Dirk
Where is Shumpert? Guy is the best player on the Knicks.

[Graviton]

Where is Shumpert? Guy is the best player on the Knicks.
Idk I think Felton is better, has more impact on the team with his scoring/playmaking and tough defense as well.

[Electric Slide]

Idk I think Felton is better, has more impact on the team with his scoring/playmaking and tough defense as well.
Top 5 Knicks are.

Shumpert
Stoudemire
Prigioni
Felton
Kenyon Martin

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Lebron
Durant
Paul
Wade
Westbrook
Howard
Rose
Harden
Parker
Deron
Duncan
Kobe
Healthy Dirk

Duncan? Did you not see his year prior to this last one? What did he average 12ppg? Missed bunnies all the time. His career is nearing its end

Howard is not a top 10 player anymore. Spine injury...will never completely recover. Looked horrible last year. Has never developed any basketball skills offensively. His effectiveness is simply dependent on his athleticism, size and strength...which is something that leaves you as you get older....10th season...

Neither is Dirk. Dirk bro really? Mr. No Defense, Below Average rebounding? Just offense Dirk? He's more flawed than Melo.

WADE?! Dwyane "1 out of every 3 games" Wade? There is no one whose decline is more apparent than Wade..

And Deron... remains to be seen. So revised...AND IN ORDER:

LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Derrick Rose
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony
Russell Westbrook
Harden
Parker
Wade

[EnoughSaid]

The only reason LeBron would want to leave South Beach is if Wade is just obviously regressing and suffers a huge setback injury. There is no other place that is more attractive. I'm sure his sons and future wife LOVE Miami, and he does too. The location, organization (Pat and Micky), one of his best friends (Wade) and a winning legacy will keep him in Miami. Plus he knows if he switches to another team he's going to take a hit so why even do that?

[EnoughSaid]

LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Derrick Rose
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony
Russell Westbrook
Harden
Parker
Wade

:roll: Carmelo Anthony is the least impactful superstar EVER. Dude is a ballstopping chucker who can't facilitate the ball and create plays. He is 100% offense and that's it. Everyone else on your list can do other things than score, Melo can't. He's not even the best scorer in the league either. :facepalm

[Peteballa]

It all depends on Wade

[Graviton]

Duncan? Did you not see his year prior to this last one? What did he average 12ppg? Missed bunnies all the time. His career is nearing its end

Howard is not a top 10 player anymore. Spine injury...will never completely recover. Looked horrible last year. Has never developed any basketball skills offensively. His effectiveness is simply dependent on his athleticism, size and strength...which is something that leaves you as you get older....10th season...

Neither is Dirk. Dirk bro really? Mr. No Defense, Below Average rebounding? Just offense Dirk? He's more flawed than Melo.

WADE?! Dwyane "1 out of every 3 games" Wade? There is no one whose decline is more apparent than Wade..

And Deron... remains to be seen. So revised...AND IN ORDER:

LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Derrick Rose
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony
Russell Westbrook
Harden
Parker
Wade
I like to judge players based on what they HAVE done. You writing off Duncan is a joke, dude just raped DPOY Gasol and one of the best PFs in Z-Bo in the playoffs, he also owned Howard, Bosh, David Lee, Bogut.

Howard is Top 10 with his defense and rebounding alone, his 18-20PPG he gets every game are just a bonus. Get the **** outta here with not Top 10. You make the injury excuse for him but put Kobe in Top 5 after he is coming back from a worse injury and is 35 and plays no D. :roll:

Dirk is a better rebounder and team defender than Melo, and his offense is more potent and efficient than Melo's chucking. You missed 2011 I take it?

Wade had a knee injury all playoffs, he is getting it fixed now. Even 50% Wade is better than 100% Melo in the playoffs at least.

Deron still has more impact on his teams than Melo.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

:roll: Carmelo Anthony is the least impactful superstar EVER. Dude is a ballstopping chucker who can't facilitate the ball and create plays. He is 100% offense and that's it. Everyone else on your list can do other things than score, Melo can't. He's not even the best scorer in the league either. :facepalm

He grabs nearly 7 rebounds a game... He's tough... He battles down low... He has the highest percentage of game winning oR tying shots converted out of all players in the league.

He IS the best scorer.

But maybe you're one of those LeBron nutriders who thinks charging to the basket every single time makes you an amazing scorer.

Want to know something else? Ewing was a better scorer than Shaq? Don't get it? You know why? Because you are fkinggg retardedddddd.

If I can do everything you do, plus more....then I am better than you.

There is nothing LeBron or Durant can do that Melo can't do offensively....and Melo does more.

Kobe has said Melo is the hardest cover in the entire league.

[Le Shaqtus]

:roll: Carmelo Anthony is the least impactful superstar EVER. Dude is a ballstopping chucker who can't facilitate the ball and create plays. He is 100% offense and that's it. Everyone else on your list can do other things than score, Melo can't. He's not even the best scorer in the league either. :facepalm

The problem is he's 100% offense but he's not even an efficient offensive player.

[Legends66NBA7]

This thread turned into a Melo convo ?

:oldlol:

But yeah, he would be in my Top 10 players going forward next season too.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

I like to judge players based on what they HAVE done. You writing off Duncan is a joke, dude just raped DPOY Gasol and one of the best PFs in Z-Bo in the playoffs, he also owned Howard, Bosh, David Lee, Bogut.

Howard is Top 10 with his defense and rebounding alone, his 18-20PPG he gets every game are just a bonus. Get the **** outta here with not Top 10. You make the injury excuse for him but put Kobe in Top 5 after he is coming back from a worse injury and is 35 and plays no D. :roll:

Dirk is a better rebounder and team defender than Melo, and his offense is more potent and efficient than Melo's chucking. You missed 2011 I take it?

Wade had a knee injury all playoffs, he is getting it fixed now. Even 50% Wade is better than 100% Melo in the playoffs at least.

Deron still has more impact on his teams than Melo.

So a guy who JUST DEFENDS IS A TOP TEN PLAYER?! WHAT ARE YOU FKN STUPID? YOU LITTLE SHIT! PIECE OF GARBAGE FKN RETARD

TIM IS FINISHED! HE HAD A BRIEF RESURGENCE JUST LIKE SHAQ DID IN PHOENIX THAT ONE YEAR. After that? A CONTINUED DECLINE!

Duncan dominating DAVID LEE!? DAVID LEE!??!?! THE DOORMAN DAVD LEE!?! Hobbled Bogut? Bogut couldn't even stay on the court for more than 10 minutes a game!

Dominating Z-Bo?! HE IS A HORRIBLE DEFENDER! WOW THE MORE I READ WHAT YOU WROTE THE MORE RETARDED I REALIZE YOU ARE.

DIRK IS A POWER FORWARD WHO CAN NOT DEFEND AND REBOUNDS AT A BELOW AVERAGE RATE. THE FACT THAT HE, A POWER FORWARD HIS WHO CAREER AVERAGES JUST SLIGHTLY MORE REBOUNDS THAN MELO, A CAREER SMALL FORWARD IS PATHETIC!

DIRK IS NOT VERSATILE OFFENSIVELY!

DIRK CANT HANDLE THE BALL.. WHEN HE PUTS IT ON THE FLOOR FOR MORE THAN A FEW DRIBBLES FACING UP, HE TURNS IT OVER.

DIRK CAN'T CREATE OFF THE DRIBBLE, AND HE CAN'T SHOOT THE 3 AS WELL AS MELO. SO HOW IS DIRKS OFFENSE BETTER DIPSHIT?! HOW!?!?!?

IF MELO CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT DIRK DOES ON OFFENSE, AND MORE THEN HOW IS DIRK BETTER?

[MaxFly]

He'll stay in Miami.

[Graviton]

He grabs nearly 7 rebounds a game... He's tough... He battles down low... He has the highest percentage of game winning of tying shots converted out of all players in the league.

He IS the best scorer.

But maybe you're one of those LeBron nutriders who thinks charging to the basket every single time makes you an amazing scorer.

Want to know something else? Ewing was a better scorer than Shaq? Don't get it? You know why? Because you are fkinggg retardedddddd.

If I can do everything you do, plus more....then I am better than you.

There is nothing LeBron or Durant can do that Melo can't do offensively....and Melo does more.

Kobe has said Melo is the hardest cover in the entire league.


And there is your problem, no one gives a shit if you can do many things at an ok level, if one guy can do one thing at an ELITE level and accomplish more, your versatility becomes useless.

Lebron and Durant can score efficiently in the playoffs, that's something Melo can't do. They can also carry their teams or at least put up godly stats and performances even if they fail. Something Melo can't do.

Please post Melo's clutch numbers and "best scorer" supporting arguments from the playoffs, where it matters. Not some useless regular season statistics that are sadly Melo's only accomplishment in his career. :oldlol:

[NewYorkNoPicks]

And there is your problem, no one gives a shit if you can do many things at an ok level, if one guy can do one thing at an ELITE level and accomplish more, your versatility becomes useless.

Lebron and Durant can score efficiently in the playoffs, that's something Melo can't do. They can also carry their teams or at least put up godly stats and performances even if they fail. Something Melo can't do.

Please post Melo's clutch numbers and "best scorer" supporting arguments from the playoffs, where it matters. Not some useless regular season statistics that are sadly Melo's only accomplishment in his career. :oldlol:

What a ridiculous statement. How old are you man? Seriously I refuse to argue with 14 year old little sh1ts.

He does everything just OK? You're just a hater.

How about BEST POST GAME IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE?

BEST MID RANGE JUMPER IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE

ASIDE FROM KOBE, BEST TURN AROUND FADEAWAY IN THE WHOLE LEAGUE

THE MOST DOMINANT ISO PLAYER IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE.

HE HAS HANDLES, HE HITS THE 3, HE CAN POST HIGH MID AND LOW, HIS FIRST STEP IS QUICK, HE CAN TAKE YOU MID RANGE.

Maybe youre also one of those Robert Horry logic posters. More rings = Better... right?

Youre one of those people who probably think Chauncey Billups is better than Allen Iverson because he won a championship which is a TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT. One of those idiots who fell into that trap because of "winning"

We're talking INDIVIDUALLY... not who has the more TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

Barkley didn't win, Malone didn't win, Dominique didn't win, Ewing didn't win, Iverson didn't win, T-Mac didn't win, Carter didn't win... etc etc. We're talking about individual skill...not team bs.

Guess what... Malone scored 35,000 points in his career! That's not amazing?!!

Duncan will fall short of that by more than 10,000! Dirk will fall short by a similar margin.

I don't give a sh1t that some players you have a favoritism for have had TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS and LUCK.

WERE TALKING INDIVIDUAL SKILL

[Jameerthefear]

What a ridiculous statement. How old are you man? Seriously I refuse to argue with 14 year old little sh1ts.

He does everything just OK? You're just a hater.

How about BEST POST GAME IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE?

BEST MID RANGE JUMPER IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE

ASIDE FROM KOBE, BEST TURN AROUND FADEAWAY IN THE WHOLE LEAGUE

THE MOST DOMINANT ISO PLAYER IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE.

HE HAS HANDLES, HE HITS THE 3, HE CAN POST HIGH MID AND LOW, HIS FIRST STEP IS QUICK, HE CAN TAKE YOU MID RANGE.
most dominant iso player is Lebron

[Graviton]

So a guy who JUST DEFENDS IS A TOP TEN PLAYER?! WHAT ARE YOU FKN STUPID? YOU LITTLE SHIT! PIECE OF GARBAGE FKN RETARD

TIM IS FINISHED! HE HAD A BRIEF RESURGENCE JUST LIKE SHAQ DID IN PHOENIX THAT ONE YEAR. After that? A CONTINUED DECLINE!

Duncan dominating DAVID LEE!? DAVID LEE!??!?! THE DOORMAN DAVD LEE!?! Hobbled Bogut? Bogut couldn't even stay on the court for more than 10 minutes a game!

Dominating Z-Bo?! HE IS A HORRIBLE DEFENDER! WOW THE MORE I READ WHAT YOU WROTE THE MORE RETARDED I REALIZE YOU ARE.

DIRK IS A POWER FORWARD WHO CAN NOT DEFEND AND REBOUNDS AT A BELOW AVERAGE RATE. THE FACT THAT HE AVERAGES JUST SLIGHTLY MORE REBOUNDS THAN MELO IS PATHETIC!

DIRK IS NOT VERSATILE OFFENSIVELY!

DIRK CANT HANDLE THE BALL.. WHEN HE PUTS IT ON THE FLOOR FOR MORE THAN A FEW DRIBBLES FACING UP, HE TURNS IT OVER.

DIRK CAN'T CREATE OFF THE DRIBBLE, AND HE CAN'T SHOOT THE 3 AS WELL AS MELO. SO HOW IS DIRKS OFFENSE BETTER DIPSHIT?! HOW!?!?!?

IF MELO CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT DIRK DOES ON OFFENSE, AND MORE THEN HOW IS DIRK BETTER?

He can't...

Dirk is 26/10/2/1/1 on 46% in the playoffs for his career.
Melo is 25/7/2/1 on 41% in the playoffs for his career.
Durant is 28/8/4/1/1 on 46% in the playoffs for his career.
Lebron is 28/8/7/1/1 on 47% in the playoffs for his career.

One of those names doesn't belong there.

[Legends66NBA7]

most dominant iso player is Lebron

Nah, it's Shaq.

[Jameerthefear]

Nah, it's Shaq.
well, currently :P

[secund2nun]

What a ridiculous statement. How old are you man? Seriously I refuse to argue with 14 year old little sh1ts.

He does everything just OK? You're just a hater.

How about BEST POST GAME IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE?

BEST MID RANGE JUMPER IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE

ASIDE FROM KOBE, BEST TURN AROUND FADEAWAY IN THE WHOLE LEAGUE

THE MOST DOMINANT ISO PLAYER IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE.

HE HAS HANDLES, HE HITS THE 3, HE CAN POST HIGH MID AND LOW, HIS FIRST STEP IS QUICK, HE CAN TAKE YOU MID RANGE.


All of those "skills" yet he is still a low efficiency shot jacker that is a way inferior scorer than real superstars like Lebron and Durant. Melo is a mediocre scorer.

Lebron can score a much better volume and efficiency.

[Graviton]

What a ridiculous statement. How old are you man? Seriously I refuse to argue with 14 year old little sh1ts.

He does everything just OK? You're just a hater.

How about BEST POST GAME IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE?

BEST MID RANGE JUMPER IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE

ASIDE FROM KOBE, BEST TURN AROUND FADEAWAY IN THE WHOLE LEAGUE

THE MOST DOMINANT ISO PLAYER IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE.

HE HAS HANDLES, HE HITS THE 3, HE CAN POST HIGH MID AND LOW, HIS FIRST STEP IS QUICK, HE CAN TAKE YOU MID RANGE.

41% in the playoffs for his career. He obviously can't do those things efficiently enough to advance, something Lebron/Durant can do. Which makes them BETTER SCORERS. Understand genius?

You obviously like flashy useless players that endlessly chuck and are in love with regular season games. I would advise you follow Brandon Jennings, Monta Ellis, James Harden and Kevin Love.

[Le Shaqtus]

All of those "skills" yet he is still a low efficiency shot jacker that is a way inferior scorer than real superstars like Lebron and Durant. Melo is a mediocre scorer.

Lebron can score a much better volume and efficiency.

No one is winning a title off the back of Carmelo Anthony. Fact.

[secund2nun]

NewYorkNoPicks has a very low bball pool of knowledge. To say Duncan and Howard are not top 10 is laughable. Stop overrating USELESS chucker wing players like Melo who have no impact on the wins column and underrating dominant bigs like Duncan and Howard who are the backbone for winning teams. Old Duncan is 10 times the player today than Melo ever will be.

[Legends66NBA7]

well, currently :P

Then I agree, although Durant isn't far behind him.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

All of those "skills" yet he is still a low efficiency shot jacker that is a way inferior scorer than real superstars like Lebron and Durant. Melo is a mediocre scorer.

Lebron can score a much better volume and efficiency.

The majority of LeBrons shots come around the basket.... More athletic guy, stronger guy, taking a higher percentage shot... Hard to understand for you simpleton?

I don't care if Durant scores at a few percentage points higher than Melo. I really don't!

When the games on the line, you need a tool belt filled with options, not just a few.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

NewYorkNoPicks has a very low bball pool of knowledge. To say Duncan and Howard are not top 10 is laughable. Stop overrating USELESS chucker wing players like Melo who have no impact on the wins column and underrating dominant bigs like Duncan and Howard who are the backbone for winning teams. Old Duncan is 10 times the player today than Melo ever will be.

I'm better than you in life

Duncan is 37 years old.... the year prior he averaged 12 to 13 ppg and looked slow and lost at times on offense.

Howard would've been NOTHING in the 1990's. HE IS NOT SKILLED AS A CENTER.

Dwight Howard is not a franchise player.

I watched ball in the 1990's... Were you even born *******? Were you?

Do you know what a skilled center looks like?

I watched Hakeem play. Dwight doesn't even have the offensive skills of Amare Stoudemire.

[Graviton]

The majority of LeBrons shots come around the basket.... More athletic guy, stronger guy, taking a higher percentage shot... Hard to understand for you simpleton?

I don't care if Durant scores at a few percentage points higher than Melo. I really don't!

When the games on the line, you need a tool belt filled with options, not just a few.
And with the game on the line you go to the career loser Melo instead of Lebron/Durant?


Dirk is 26/10/2/1/1 on 46% in the playoffs for his career.
Melo is 25/7/2/1 on 41% in the playoffs for his career.
Durant is 28/8/4/1/1 on 46% in the playoffs for his career.
Lebron is 28/8/7/1/1 on 47% in the playoffs for his career.

[Jameerthefear]

The majority of LeBrons shots come around the basket.... More athletic guy, stronger guy, taking a higher percentage shot... Hard to understand for you simpleton?

I don't care if Durant scores at a few percentage points higher than Melo. I really don't!

When the games on the line, you need a tool belt filled with options, not just a few.
you would really take 'Melo over Durant?

[Legends66NBA7]

No one is winning a title off the back of Carmelo Anthony. Fact.

It's not a fact until his career his over, though.

His playoff resume has been disappointing, but he still has a couple more prime years left in him.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

41% in the playoffs for his career. He obviously can't do those things efficiently enough to advance, something Lebron/Durant can do. Which makes them BETTER SCORERS. Understand genius?

You obviously like flashy useless players that endlessly chuck and are in love with regular season games. I would advise you follow Brandon Jennings, Monta Ellis, James Harden and Kevin Love.

Team game!

Guess what... your god Russell Westbrook... If he was the #1 option on his team without a dominant player like Durant... He'd be looked upon like a Steve Francis, a Stephon Marbury.

Selfish, ball dominant, low bball iq, athletic, penetrating point guard with poor leadership skills.

You're just a sheep who gets sucked into "winning".

Probably one of those idiots who thinks Eli Manning is better than a guy like Aaron Rodgers because Eli "Won."

ITS A TEAM GAME

TEAM!

[NewYorkNoPicks]

you would really take 'Melo over Durant?

At the end of a game yes.

Starting a team... no.

I never said Melo is a better player than Durant.

All I said is he's a better scorer... which he is.... more tools.

[CanYouDigIt]

All this depends on Wade's health and if Bosh stays or leaves. If Bosh stays in Miami, then Lebron will probably leave. Bosh is the biggest blackhole on the team and has already been exposed for his flaws.

If Wade isn't healthy then Lebron will leave too. Wade will stay in Miami regardless because that is guaranteed money for him. If Wade and Bosh stay then they take up Cap Room for other young players for the Heat.

The only place I can see Lebron going is Cleveland to finish what he started.

Irving/Jack
Waiters/Miles
James/Clark/Gee
Thompson/Bennett
Bynum/Varejao/Zeller

That's the best team Lebron has probably ever been on if everyone could stay healthy

[NewYorkNoPicks]

And with the game on the line you go to the career loser Melo instead of Lebron/Durant?


Dirk is 26/10/2/1/1 on 46% in the playoffs for his career.
Melo is 25/7/2/1 on 41% in the playoffs for his career.
Durant is 28/8/4/1/1 on 46% in the playoffs for his career.
Lebron is 28/8/7/1/1 on 47% in the playoffs for his career.


Among players that have taken at least 20 field goal attempts in game-tying or game-winning situations in the last 15 seconds of the 4th quarter or overtime in the past 10 years, Anthony ranks first in field-goal percentage (46.2), according to the Elias Sports Bureau. He has made 24 of 52.

His 24 field goals are second to Kobe Bryant's 26. But Bryant is shooting 30.2 percent in 'clutch' situations (26-86).

Need more evidence that Anthony is clutch?

He's shooting 46.7 percent on game-tying or go-ahead shots in the final 24 seconds of regulation or overtime.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/16302/carmelo-clutch

[Jameerthefear]

At the end of a game yes.

Starting a team... no.

I never said Melo is a better player than Durant.

All I said is he's a better scorer... which he is.... more tools.
He's not. The most important thing is putting the ball in the hole, and Durant and LBJ do that way more efficiently then 'Melo

[Graviton]

Team game!

Guess what... your god Russell Westbrook... If he was the #1 option on his team without a dominant player like Durant... He'd be looked upon like a Steve Francis, a Stephon Marbury.

Selfish, ball dominant, low bball iq, athletic, penetrating point guard with poor leadership skills.

You're just a sheep who gets sucked into "winning".

Probably one of those idiots who think Eli Manning is better than a guy like Aaron Rodgers because Eli "Won."

ITS A TEAM GAME

TEAM!

Yea and team game has a bearing on your INDIVIDUAL NUMBERS? :roll:

You are right, we are just sheep, but you are that special genius that sees through the conspiracy and understands it all. You are that unique snowflake, your opinion is surely the divine word of God.

http://www.tinfoilonmyhead.com/images/David-Stern2.jpg

[secund2nun]

The majority of LeBrons shots come around the basket.... More athletic guy, stronger guy, taking a higher percentage shot... Hard to understand for you simpleton?

I don't care if Durant scores at a few percentage points higher than Melo. I really don't!

When the games on the line, you need a tool belt filled with options, not just a few.

I think it is hard for you to understand. You said it yourself right there, Lebron is the superior scorer. You don't get bonus points for scoring in a variety of ways you know. This is not a gymnastics competition where a judge will grade you on creativity and diversity. 2 points is 2 points. I would rather have constant high percentage shots at the basket instead of an array of low percent "flashy" shots.

When the game is on the line I want the better scorer ( not Melo).

[Graviton]

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/16302/carmelo-clutch
PLAYOFFS! No one cares about regular season. And from your own source, Melo may be clutch but he ain't no Shawn Marion dawg. :applause:

"He's shooting 46.7 percent on game-tying or go-ahead shots in the final 24 seconds of regulation or overtime. The only player with a higher career shooting percentage in such situations over the past 16 seasons? Shawn Marion, who has shot 47.4 percent in crunch time. "

[Segatti]

So a guy who JUST DEFENDS IS A TOP TEN PLAYER?! WHAT ARE YOU FKN STUPID? YOU LITTLE SHIT! PIECE OF GARBAGE FKN RETARD

TIM IS FINISHED! HE HAD A BRIEF RESURGENCE JUST LIKE SHAQ DID IN PHOENIX THAT ONE YEAR. After that? A CONTINUED DECLINE!

Duncan dominating DAVID LEE!? DAVID LEE!??!?! THE DOORMAN DAVD LEE!?! Hobbled Bogut? Bogut couldn't even stay on the court for more than 10 minutes a game!

Dominating Z-Bo?! HE IS A HORRIBLE DEFENDER! WOW THE MORE I READ WHAT YOU WROTE THE MORE RETARDED I REALIZE YOU ARE.

DIRK IS A POWER FORWARD WHO CAN NOT DEFEND AND REBOUNDS AT A BELOW AVERAGE RATE. THE FACT THAT HE, A POWER FORWARD HIS WHO CAREER AVERAGES JUST SLIGHTLY MORE REBOUNDS THAN MELO, A CAREER SMALL FORWARD IS PATHETIC!

DIRK IS NOT VERSATILE OFFENSIVELY!

DIRK CANT HANDLE THE BALL.. WHEN HE PUTS IT ON THE FLOOR FOR MORE THAN A FEW DRIBBLES FACING UP, HE TURNS IT OVER.

DIRK CAN'T CREATE OFF THE DRIBBLE, AND HE CAN'T SHOOT THE 3 AS WELL AS MELO. SO HOW IS DIRKS OFFENSE BETTER DIPSHIT?! HOW!?!?!?

IF MELO CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT DIRK DOES ON OFFENSE, AND MORE THEN HOW IS DIRK BETTER?

Dirk is more efficient in any type of scoring and at time isn't an iso player who destroys the team's ball movement.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

He's not. The most important thing is putting the ball in the hole, and Durant and LBJ do that way more efficiently then 'Melo

The majority of LeBron's shots come around the basket... He's 6"8 260, a locomotive coming at you with the most athleticism in the league...taking a higher percentage shot... Yes that'll make his FG% higher.

Tony Parkers FG% is also very high

You going to tell me he's a better scorer than Melo? The majority of Parkers shots come at the basket too.

And yes... I'll take the guy shooting 4% less but who has more ways of scoring, over a guy who shoots a few percentage points higher but isn't as versatile

[CanYouDigIt]

Yea and team game has a bearing on your INDIVIDUAL NUMBERS? :roll:

You are right, we are just sheep, but you are that special genius that sees through the conspiracy and understands it all. You are that unique snowflake, your opinion is surely the divine word of God.

http://www.tinfoilonmyhead.com/images/David-Stern2.jpg
Damn :lol

http://boards.420chan.org/wooo/src/1376779350997.jpg

[Jameerthefear]

The majority of LeBron's shots come around the basket... He's 6"8 260, a locomotive coming at you with the most athleticism in the league...taking a higher percentage shot... Yes that'll make his FG% higher.

Tony Parkers FG% is also very high

You going to tell me he's a better scorer than Melo? The majority of Parkers shots come at the basket too.

And yes... I'll take the guy shooting 4% less but who has more ways of scoring, over a guy who shoots a few percentage points higher but isn't as versatile
Okay? Is that a bad thing? Getting good shots puts more pressure on the defense.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

I think it is hard for you to understand. You said it yourself right there, Lebron is the superior scorer. You don't get bonus points for scoring in a variety of ways you know. This is not a gymnastics competition where a judge will grade you on creativity and diversity. 2 points is 2 points. I would rather have constant high percentage shots at the basket instead of an array of low percent "flashy" shots.

When the game is on the line I want the better scorer ( not Melo).

I think you're a simpleton peter griffin factory worker who can't think out of the box and that's why you have a hard time trying to understand someone that is probably better than you at every aspect of life.

What if they triple team LeBron? They trap him? Theres a variety of way a team can cover you. If you have more tools then you can respond to each and every situation.

Shaq's "versatility" really worked out well against the Spurs while he was in Phoenix right.

I remember Pop sending in the scrubs to send Shaq Mr. Versatile O'Neal to the line.... it cost them.

[CanYouDigIt]

And yes... I'll take the guy shooting 4% less but who has more ways of scoring, over a guy who shoots a few percentage points higher but isn't as versatile

That's why your team hasn't won a championship in 40 years


http://boards.420chan.org/wooo/src/1376779350997.jpg

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Okay? Is that a bad thing? Getting good shots puts more pressure on the defense.

wtf do you care about 4% man? It's insignificant.

You also don't seem to take a look at the teams around them.

How easy is it for Durant to take a cleaner shot when you have an athletic freak like Westbrook ready to draw the defense to him?

Who does Melo have?

LeBron has Bosh on one side of the floor, Wade on the other, both command double teams. Bosh operates away from the basket and can clear the lane for a guy like James.

[secund2nun]

I'm better than you in life

Duncan is 37 years old.... the year prior he averaged 12 to 13 ppg and looked slow and lost at times on offense.

Howard would've been NOTHING in the 1990's. HE IS NOT SKILLED AS A CENTER.

Dwight Howard is not a franchise player.

I watched ball in the 1990's... Were you even born *******? Were you?

Do you know what a skilled center looks like?

I watched Hakeem play. Dwight doesn't even have the offensive skills of Amare Stoudemire.

Congrats at your amazing life! :applause:

Duncan is why the Spurs are still an elite team. His post defense and rebounding is huge. Also his 13 ppg was just one season 2 years ago, and he played just 28 mpg. His per 36 ppg that season was still 17 ppg. Last season he scored 15.4 ppg in 28 mpg (49%) and this season he had 18 ppg in 30 mpg (50% fg).

Howard is easily a franchise player, especially today. You are obsessed with "skill". Howard is a great rebounder and great defender, and he can still give you 18-20 ppg on high fg%. Howard is a top 3 player in the game today.

There is more to the game than scoring. Also low efficiency higher volume scoring is useless and outrageously overrated.

I watched 90s bball as well. It seems like you are the one born in the year 2000 during the corrupted knowledge era of the NBA...you know the whole "OMG amazing Latrell Sprewell with a 25 point game on 23 shots, 3 rebounds, 2 assists, 4 turnovers, no defense....AMAZING MVP way better than Dikembe Mutombo!!!"

The 3 keys to winning are defense (starts in the post), rebounding (starts in the post), and efficient offense (usually in the post except for rare wings like Jordan, Lebron, Durant).

[Graviton]

I think you're a simpleton peter griffin factory worker who can't think out of the box and that's why you have a hard time trying to understand someone that is probably better than you at every aspect of life.

What if they triple team LeBron? They trap him? Theres a variety of way a team can cover you. If you have more tools then you can respond to each and every situation.

Shaq's "versatility" really worked out well against the Spurs while he was in Phoenix right.

I remember Pop sending in the scrubs to send Shaq Mr. Versatile O'Neal to the line.... it cost them.

Guys, this man understands. He is not a simpleton sheep, he sees through the veil of spiritual darkness and basic human understanding, he grasps the concepts of intergalactic statistics and Melomania, he is the prophet of clutch Gods and context. All bow before him. Do not follow the footsteps of the devils below.

http://www.tinfoilonmyhead.com/images/kobevslebron-tinfoiled.jpg

[NewYorkNoPicks]

That's why your team hasn't won a championship in 40 years

My team hasn't won a championship in 40 years because of

a) Michael Jordan
b) Horrible ownership putting the fate of the team into the hands of guys like Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas

[Jameerthefear]

wtf do you care about 4% man? It's insignificant.

You also don't seem to take a look at the teams around them.

How easy is it for Durant to take a cleaner shot when you have an athletic freak like Westbrook ready to draw the defense to him?

Who does Melo have?

LeBron has Bosh on one side of the floor, Wade on the other, both command double teams. Bosh operates away from the basket and can clear the lane for a guy like James.
4% is a biggg difference.

[CanYouDigIt]

LeBron has Bosh on one side of the floor, Wade on the other, both command double teams.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

http://boards.420chan.org/wooo/src/1376779350997.jpg

[Legends66NBA7]

http://www.tinfoilonmyhead.com/images/kobevslebron-tinfoiled.jpg

:roll:

Literally my perception of some of these Kobe Bryant and LeBron James stans at times.

[b1imtf]

So a guy who JUST DEFENDS IS A TOP TEN PLAYER?! WHAT ARE YOU FKN STUPID? YOU LITTLE SHIT! PIECE OF GARBAGE FKN RETARD

TIM IS FINISHED! HE HAD A BRIEF RESURGENCE JUST LIKE SHAQ DID IN PHOENIX THAT ONE YEAR. After that? A CONTINUED DECLINE!

Duncan dominating DAVID LEE!? DAVID LEE!??!?! THE DOORMAN DAVD LEE!?! Hobbled Bogut? Bogut couldn't even stay on the court for more than 10 minutes a game!

Dominating Z-Bo?! HE IS A HORRIBLE DEFENDER! WOW THE MORE I READ WHAT YOU WROTE THE MORE RETARDED I REALIZE YOU ARE.

DIRK IS A POWER FORWARD WHO CAN NOT DEFEND AND REBOUNDS AT A BELOW AVERAGE RATE. THE FACT THAT HE, A POWER FORWARD HIS WHO CAREER AVERAGES JUST SLIGHTLY MORE REBOUNDS THAN MELO, A CAREER SMALL FORWARD IS PATHETIC!

DIRK IS NOT VERSATILE OFFENSIVELY!

DIRK CANT HANDLE THE BALL.. WHEN HE PUTS IT ON THE FLOOR FOR MORE THAN A FEW DRIBBLES FACING UP, HE TURNS IT OVER.

DIRK CAN'T CREATE OFF THE DRIBBLE, AND HE CAN'T SHOOT THE 3 AS WELL AS MELO. SO HOW IS DIRKS OFFENSE BETTER DIPSHIT?! HOW!?!?!?

IF MELO CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT DIRK DOES ON OFFENSE, AND MORE THEN HOW IS DIRK BETTER?
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[CanYouDigIt]

My team hasn't won a championship in 40 years because of

a) Michael Jordan
b) Horrible ownership putting the fate of the team into the hands of guys like Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas
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[secund2nun]

I think you're a simpleton peter griffin factory worker who can't think out of the box and that's why you have a hard time trying to understand someone that is probably better than you at every aspect of life.

You are probably a materialist sheeple who fawns over anything the media shoves down your throat.


What if they triple team LeBron? They trap him? Theres a variety of way a team can cover you. If you have more tools then you can respond to each and every situation.

Then he passes the ball to a wide open 3 pointer unlike black hole Melo.


Shaq's "versatility" really worked out well against the Spurs while he was in Phoenix right.


Yes using a 35-36 year old Shaq as an example is so wise. Ignore his 3 peat or his 2005 ring.


I remember Pop sending in the scrubs to send Shaq Mr. Versatile O'Neal to the line.... it cost them.

Shaq is one of the best players of all time and certainly a better scorer than Melo. We are talking about a career 41% playoff shooter who is one of the biggest playoff losers of all time while Shaq is one of the biggest playoff winners of all time.

[CanYouDigIt]

It's official that NewYorkNoPicks has lost it....

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[NewYorkNoPicks]

Congrats at your amazing life! :applause:

Duncan is why the Spurs are still an elite team. His post defense and rebounding is huge. Also his 13 ppg was just one season 2 years ago, and he played just 28 mpg. His per 36 ppg that season was still 17 ppg. Last season he scored 15.4 ppg in 28 mpg (49%) and this season he had 18 ppg in 30 mpg (50% fg).

Howard is easily a franchise player, especially today. You are obsessed with "skill". Howard is a great rebounder and great defender, and he can still give you 18-20 ppg on high fg%. Howard is a top 3 player in the game today.

There is more to the game than scoring. Also low efficiency higher volume scoring is useless and outrageously overrated.

I watched 90s bball as well. It seems like you are the one born in the year 2000 during the corrupted knowledge era of the NBA...you know the whole "OMG amazing Latrell Sprewell with a 25 point game on 23 shots, 3 rebounds, 2 assists, 4 turnovers, no defense....AMAZING MVP way better than Dikembe Mutombo!!!"

The 3 keys to winning are defense (starts in the post), rebounding (starts in the post), and efficient offense (usually in the post except for rare wings like Jordan, Lebron, Durant).


Yeahhhh it's a small ball league this day guy

There are no big men in the league.

Does that give a team an advantage? Yeah if you have someone like an Andrew Bynum.

Dwight can be shut down by a defensive center. He's in his 10th season, has even been quoted by Hakeem as still being "RAW" and is coming off a SPINAL INJURY.

Do you remember Larry Johnson? After that back injury he was never the same. Dwight looked TERRIBLE last year.

Dwights not a great passer either. Something a guy like Shaq, a true great center excelled at. You shut down Dwight, he's turning it over.

[b1imtf]

It's official that NewYorkNoPicks has lost it....

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[Legends66NBA7]

My team hasn't won a championship in 40 years because of

a) Michael Jordan
b) Horrible ownership putting the fate of the team into the hands of guys like Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas

I'll give you B).

Reason A) is only in a specific time frame, which is 89, 91, 92, 93, and 96.... and 93 was their most legit chance to win it all.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Shaq is one of the best players of all time and certainly a better scorer than Melo. We are talking about a career 41% playoff shooter who is one of the biggest playoff losers of all time while Shaq is one of the biggest playoff winners of all time.

Shaq isn't a better scorer than Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem, none of them...

A difference you can't seem to grasp is more dominant vs. better.

Shaq did what he did... and that's it. He couldn't shoot a jumper, couldn't fade a way, couldn't shoot a free throw, wasn't as effective from the mid post or anywhere that wasn't close to the basket. However, Shaq was DOMINANT. He dominated

Being better? That involves a variety of skills and versatility. Hakeem could do 3 moves before Shaq did 1.

[CanYouDigIt]

Shaq isn't a better scorer than Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem, none of them...

A difference you can't seem to grasp is more dominant vs. better.

Shaq did what he did... and that's it. He couldn't shoot a jumper, couldn't fade a way, couldn't shoot a free throw, wasn't as effective from the mid post or anywhere that wasn't close to the basket. However, Shaq was DOMINANT. He dominated

Being better? That involves a variety of skills and versatility. Hakeem could do 3 moves before Shaq did 1.
Is that why Shaq has more Career Points than Hakeem?

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[Jameerthefear]

Newyorknopicks... you need to understand style doesn't get you any extra points. whoever gets the ball in the hoop more and in a more efficient way is the better scorer.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

I'll give you B).

Reason A) is only in a specific time frame, which is 89, 91, 92, 93, and 96.... and 93 was their most legit chance to win it all.

Yeah a specific time frame in which we would've had at least 1 championship which would have eviscerated the guys statement.

His statement wasn't "why aren't the knicks an elite team historically" it was just about the championship drought.

So yes the Jordan argument is valid because the Knicks had made the playoffs 14 consecutive seasons from 1988 to 2011, and were legitimate contenders for a good number of those years.

[CanYouDigIt]

People on ISH need to realize when they lost an argument instead of continuing to defend themselves and look like idiots.

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[b1imtf]

Shaq isn't a better scorer than Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem, none of them...

A difference you can't seem to grasp is more dominant vs. better.

Shaq did what he did... and that's it. He couldn't shoot a jumper, couldn't fade a way, couldn't shoot a free throw, wasn't as effective from the mid post or anywhere that wasn't close to the basket. However, Shaq was DOMINANT. He dominated

Being better? That involves a variety of skills and versatility. Hakeem could do 3 moves before Shaq did 1.
Are you infuriated?

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Is that why Shaq has more Career Points than Hakeem?



Shaq is not a better scorer... he scored in just a few ways.... and dominated using those few ways.

That's like saying Reggie Miller is a better scorer than Ewing because he has more career points. Watch the damn game.

Reggie ran off screens and shot jumpers.... he couldn't post, couldn't drive, couldn't handle the ball. He was Rip Hamilton in god mode.

More Dominant vs. Better are different.

[Legends66NBA7]

A 93 Knicks vs 93 Suns Finals would have been epic, considering this happened during the regular season:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTYQSYzf5Mk

If it went 7 games, I think someone would have died. :lol

[NewYorkNoPicks]

People on ISH need to realize when they lost an argument instead of continuing to defend themselves and look like idiots.



How is it obvious I lost an argument? Because the majority of people don't agree with me?

The majority of people are average. That's what makes an average....a large percentage of a group falling within a general range.

There are also outliers, those that are above.

The average man tried to kill the thinker who challenged that the world isn't flat.

I don't care what sheep say to me.

You all are the same people who hated on Dirk, but quickly changed your tune once he won the championship.

You all are the same people who think Robert Horry is a hall of famer because he hit a few big shots, apparently his 6ppg career average is irrelevant right?

You are all the same people who thought Chauncey Billups was the best point guard in the league just because he won...in a team game... despite struggling the first 6 years in his career and at some points averaging 3 assists per game in a starting role with the Wolves.

So many of you are the definition of sheep... think on your own for Christ's sake.

[Graviton]

How is it obvious I lost an argument? Because the majority of people don't agree with me?

The majority of people are average. That's what makes an average....a large percentage of a group falling within a general range.

There are also outliers, those that are above.

The average man tried to kill the thinker who challenged that the world isn't flat.

I don't care what sheep say to me.

You all are the same people who hated on Dirk, but quickly changed your tune once he won the championship.

You all are the same people who think Robert Horry is a hall of famer because he hit a few big shots, apparently his 6ppg career average is irrelevant right?

You are all the same people who thought Chauncey Billups was the best point guard in the league just because he won...in a team game... despite struggling the first 6 years in his career and at some points averaging 3 assists per game in a starting role with the Wolves.

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[CanYouDigIt]

How is it obvious I lost an argument? Because the majority of people don't agree with me?

The majority of people are average. That's what makes an average....a large percentage of a group falling within a general range.

There are also outliers, those that are above.

The average man tried to kill the thinker who challenged that the world isn't flat.

I don't care what sheep say to me.

You all are the same people who hated on Dirk, but quickly changed your tune once he won the championship.

You all are the same people who think Robert Horry is a hall of famer because he hit a few big shots, apparently his 6ppg career average is irrelevant right?

You are all the same people who thought Chauncey Billups was the best point guard in the league just because he won...in a team game... despite struggling the first 6 years in his career and at some points averaging 3 assists per game in a starting role with the Wolves.

So many of you are the definition of sheep... think on your own for Christ's sake.
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[Lord Leoshes]

back to the topic, yes Bron resigns with the Heat.

[KyrieTheFuture]

You are having an absolute meltdown :roll:

[CanYouDigIt]

This is officially a bookmark worthy thread :lol


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[NewYorkNoPicks]

pictures because you've lost... theres nothing you can say.

The first post on this page just showed how idiotic some of you really are.

Truth hurts and most people can't accept it.

But in this world... you only survive with the support of people...which is a sad thing.

So you can continue to hate all you want, but in reality I know....and hopefully behind your self defensive mechanisms you also realize...that I am right...

Start thinking for yourselves sheep... become liberated.

[CanYouDigIt]

pictures because you've lost... theres nothing you can say.

The first post on this page just showed how idiotic some of you really are.

Truth hurts and most people can't accept it.

But in this world... you only survive with the support of people...which is a sad thing.

So you can continue to hate all you want, but in reality I know....and hopefully behind your self defensive mechanisms you also realize...that I am right...

Start thinking for yourselves sheep... become liberated.

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[Graviton]

pictures because you've lost... theres nothing you can say.

The first post on this page just showed how idiotic some of you really are.

Truth hurts and most people can't accept it.

But in this world... you only survive with the support of people...which is a sad thing.

So you can continue to hate all you want, but in reality I know....and hopefully behind your self defensive mechanisms you also realize...that I am right...

Start thinking for yourselves sheep... become liberated.
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[NewYorkNoPicks]

I'll repeat it again:

You all are the same people who hated on Dirk, but quickly changed your tune once he won the championship.

You all are the same people who think Robert Horry is a hall of famer because he hit a few big shots, apparently his 6ppg career average is irrelevant right?

You are all the same people who thought Chauncey Billups was the best point guard in the league just because he won...in a team game... despite struggling the first 6 years in his career and at some points averaging 3 assists per game in a starting role with the Wolves.

:facepalm

K I'm going out... enjoy the rest of the time on your computers...winners

[Graviton]

I'll repeat it again:

You all are the same people who hated on Dirk, but quickly changed your tune once he won the championship.

You all are the same people who think Robert Horry is a hall of famer because he hit a few big shots, apparently his 6ppg career average is irrelevant right?

You are all the same people who thought Chauncey Billups was the best point guard in the league just because he won...in a team game... despite struggling the first 6 years in his career and at some points averaging 3 assists per game in a starting role with the Wolves.

:facepalm
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[CanYouDigIt]

I'll repeat it again:

You all are the same people who hated on Dirk, but quickly changed your tune once he won the championship.

You all are the same people who think Robert Horry is a hall of famer because he hit a few big shots, apparently his 6ppg career average is irrelevant right?

You are all the same people who thought Chauncey Billups was the best point guard in the league just because he won...in a team game... despite struggling the first 6 years in his career and at some points averaging 3 assists per game in a starting role with the Wolves.

:facepalm

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[KyrieTheFuture]

NewyorkNopicks going absolutely insane in here

[NewYorkNoPicks]

NewyorkNopicks going absolutely insane in here

This is not true?

"You all are the same people who hated on Dirk, but quickly changed your tune once he won the championship.

You all are the same people who think Robert Horry is a hall of famer because he hit a few big shots, apparently his 6ppg career average is irrelevant right?

You are all the same people who thought Chauncey Billups was the best point guard in the league just because he won...in a team game... despite struggling the first 6 years in his career and at some points averaging 3 assists per game in a starting role with the Wolves."

That's not true?

Theres so many examples of idiots on here and elsewhere not thinking logically. So i'm supposed to care that these same people, the same people who believe the examples above, don't agree with me?

[CanYouDigIt]

This is not true?

"You all are the same people who hated on Dirk, but quickly changed your tune once he won the championship.

You all are the same people who think Robert Horry is a hall of famer because he hit a few big shots, apparently his 6ppg career average is irrelevant right?

You are all the same people who thought Chauncey Billups was the best point guard in the league just because he won...in a team game... despite struggling the first 6 years in his career and at some points averaging 3 assists per game in a starting role with the Wolves."

That's not true?

Theres so many examples of idiots on here and elsewhere not thinking logically. So i'm supposed to care that these same people, the same people who believe the examples above, don't agree with me?
I thought you left

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[Graviton]

NewyorkNopicks going absolutely insane in here
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[Segatti]

Best meltdown since Pauk's 1500 words essay?

[Graviton]

Best meltdown since Pauk's 1500 words essay?
Clippersfan meltdown
Pauk's lions meltdown
TylerOO's "I am done with Lebron James"
NewYok's "It's a Conspiracy! You are all sheep! I see da TRUTH!"

[Johnny Jones]

This is not true?

"You all are the same people who hated on Dirk, but quickly changed your tune once he won the championship.

You all are the same people who think Robert Horry is a hall of famer because he hit a few big shots, apparently his 6ppg career average is irrelevant right?

You are all the same people who thought Chauncey Billups was the best point guard in the league just because he won...in a team game... despite struggling the first 6 years in his career and at some points averaging 3 assists per game in a starting role with the Wolves."

That's not true?

Theres so many examples of idiots on here and elsewhere not thinking logically. So i'm supposed to care that these same people, the same people who believe the examples above, don't agree with me? holy shit :lol

[CarlosBoozer]

Lamarodom's "fuuuuuuckk the lakers" meltdown was my personal favorite

[Segatti]

Clippersfan meltdown
Pauk's lions meltdown
TylerOO's "I am done with Lebron James"
NewYok's "It's a Conspiracy! You are all sheep! I see da TRUTH!"

I forgot about CF86, this was hilarious as well :lol

[Graviton]

Lets look at the meltdown as a whole...

"He grabs nearly 7 rebounds a game... He's tough... He battles down low... He has the highest percentage of game winning oR tying shots converted out of all players in the league.

He IS the best scorer.

But maybe you're one of those LeBron nutriders who thinks charging to the basket every single time makes you an amazing scorer.

Want to know something else? Ewing was a better scorer than Shaq? Don't get it? You know why? Because you are fkinggg retardedddddd.

If I can do everything you do, plus more....then I am better than you.

There is nothing LeBron or Durant can do that Melo can't do offensively....and Melo does more.

Kobe has said Melo is the hardest cover in the entire league.


So a guy who JUST DEFENDS IS A TOP TEN PLAYER?! WHAT ARE YOU FKN STUPID? YOU LITTLE SHIT! PIECE OF GARBAGE FKN RETARD

TIM IS FINISHED! HE HAD A BRIEF RESURGENCE JUST LIKE SHAQ DID IN PHOENIX THAT ONE YEAR. After that? A CONTINUED DECLINE!

Duncan dominating DAVID LEE!? DAVID LEE!??!?! THE DOORMAN DAVD LEE!?! Hobbled Bogut? Bogut couldn't even stay on the court for more than 10 minutes a game!

Dominating Z-Bo?! HE IS A HORRIBLE DEFENDER! WOW THE MORE I READ WHAT YOU WROTE THE MORE RETARDED I REALIZE YOU ARE.

DIRK IS A POWER FORWARD WHO CAN NOT DEFEND AND REBOUNDS AT A BELOW AVERAGE RATE. THE FACT THAT HE, A POWER FORWARD HIS WHO CAREER AVERAGES JUST SLIGHTLY MORE REBOUNDS THAN MELO, A CAREER SMALL FORWARD IS PATHETIC!

DIRK IS NOT VERSATILE OFFENSIVELY!

DIRK CANT HANDLE THE BALL.. WHEN HE PUTS IT ON THE FLOOR FOR MORE THAN A FEW DRIBBLES FACING UP, HE TURNS IT OVER.

DIRK CAN'T CREATE OFF THE DRIBBLE, AND HE CAN'T SHOOT THE 3 AS WELL AS MELO. SO HOW IS DIRKS OFFENSE BETTER DIPSHIT?! HOW!?!?!?

IF MELO CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT DIRK DOES ON OFFENSE, AND MORE THEN HOW IS DIRK BETTER?

What a ridiculous statement. How old are you man? Seriously I refuse to argue with 14 year old little sh1ts.

He does everything just OK? You're just a hater.

How about BEST POST GAME IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE?

BEST MID RANGE JUMPER IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE

ASIDE FROM KOBE, BEST TURN AROUND FADEAWAY IN THE WHOLE LEAGUE

THE MOST DOMINANT ISO PLAYER IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE.

HE HAS HANDLES, HE HITS THE 3, HE CAN POST HIGH MID AND LOW, HIS FIRST STEP IS QUICK, HE CAN TAKE YOU MID RANGE.

Maybe youre also one of those Robert Horry logic posters. More rings = Better... right?

Youre one of those people who probably think Chauncey Billups is better than Allen Iverson because he won a championship which is a TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT. One of those idiots who fell into that trap because of "winning"

We're talking INDIVIDUALLY... not who has the more TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

Barkley didn't win, Malone didn't win, Dominique didn't win, Ewing didn't win, Iverson didn't win, T-Mac didn't win, Carter didn't win... etc etc. We're talking about individual skill...not team bs.

Guess what... Malone scored 35,000 points in his career! That's not amazing?!!

Duncan will fall short of that by more than 10,000! Dirk will fall short by a similar margin.

I don't give a sh1t that some players you have a favoritism for have had TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS and LUCK.

WERE TALKING INDIVIDUAL SKILL

I'm better than you in life

Duncan is 37 years old.... the year prior he averaged 12 to 13 ppg and looked slow and lost at times on offense.

Howard would've been NOTHING in the 1990's. HE IS NOT SKILLED AS A CENTER.

Dwight Howard is not a franchise player.

I watched ball in the 1990's... Were you even born *******? Were you?

Do you know what a skilled center looks like?

I watched Hakeem play. Dwight doesn't even have the offensive skills of Amare Stoudemire.

Team game!

Guess what... your god Russell Westbrook... If he was the #1 option on his team without a dominant player like Durant... He'd be looked upon like a Steve Francis, a Stephon Marbury.

Selfish, ball dominant, low bball iq, athletic, penetrating point guard with poor leadership skills.

You're just a sheep who gets sucked into "winning".

Probably one of those idiots who thinks Eli Manning is better than a guy like Aaron Rodgers because Eli "Won."

ITS A TEAM GAME

TEAM!


The majority of LeBron's shots come around the basket... He's 6"8 260, a locomotive coming at you with the most athleticism in the league...taking a higher percentage shot... Yes that'll make his FG% higher.

Tony Parkers FG% is also very high

You going to tell me he's a better scorer than Melo? The majority of Parkers shots come at the basket too.

And yes... I'll take the guy shooting 4% less but who has more ways of scoring, over a guy who shoots a few percentage points higher but isn't as versatile


I think you're a simpleton peter griffin factory worker who can't think out of the box and that's why you have a hard time trying to understand someone that is probably better than you at every aspect of life.

What if they triple team LeBron? They trap him? Theres a variety of way a team can cover you. If you have more tools then you can respond to each and every situation.

Shaq's "versatility" really worked out well against the Spurs while he was in Phoenix right.

I remember Pop sending in the scrubs to send Shaq Mr. Versatile O'Neal to the line.... it cost them.


wtf do you care about 4% man? It's insignificant.

You also don't seem to take a look at the teams around them.

How easy is it for Durant to take a cleaner shot when you have an athletic freak like Westbrook ready to draw the defense to him?

Who does Melo have?

LeBron has Bosh on one side of the floor, Wade on the other, both command double teams. Bosh operates away from the basket and can clear the lane for a guy like James.



Yeahhhh it's a small ball league this day guy

There are no big men in the league.

Does that give a team an advantage? Yeah if you have someone like an Andrew Bynum.

Dwight can be shut down by a defensive center. He's in his 10th season, has even been quoted by Hakeem as still being "RAW" and is coming off a SPINAL INJURY.

Do you remember Larry Johnson? After that back injury he was never the same. Dwight looked TERRIBLE last year.

Dwights not a great passer either. Something a guy like Shaq, a true great center excelled at. You shut down Dwight, he's turning it over.


Shaq isn't a better scorer than Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem, none of them...

A difference you can't seem to grasp is more dominant vs. better.

Shaq did what he did... and that's it. He couldn't shoot a jumper, couldn't fade a way, couldn't shoot a free throw, wasn't as effective from the mid post or anywhere that wasn't close to the basket. However, Shaq was DOMINANT. He dominated

Being better? That involves a variety of skills and versatility. Hakeem could do 3 moves before Shaq did 1.


Shaq is not a better scorer... he scored in just a few ways.... and dominated using those few ways.

That's like saying Reggie Miller is a better scorer than Ewing because he has more career points. Watch the damn game.

Reggie ran off screens and shot jumpers.... he couldn't post, couldn't drive, couldn't handle the ball. He was Rip Hamilton in god mode.

More Dominant vs. Better are different.


How is it obvious I lost an argument? Because the majority of people don't agree with me?

The majority of people are average. That's what makes an average....a large percentage of a group falling within a general range.

There are also outliers, those that are above.

The average man tried to kill the thinker who challenged that the world isn't flat.

I don't care what sheep say to me.

You all are the same people who hated on Dirk, but quickly changed your tune once he won the championship.

You all are the same people who think Robert Horry is a hall of famer because he hit a few big shots, apparently his 6ppg career average is irrelevant right?

You are all the same people who thought Chauncey Billups was the best point guard in the league just because he won...in a team game... despite struggling the first 6 years in his career and at some points averaging 3 assists per game in a starting role with the Wolves.

So many of you are the definition of sheep... think on your own for Christ's sake.

pictures because you've lost... theres nothing you can say.

The first post on this page just showed how idiotic some of you really are.

Truth hurts and most people can't accept it.

But in this world... you only survive with the support of people...which is a sad thing.

So you can continue to hate all you want, but in reality I know....and hopefully behind your self defensive mechanisms you also realize...that I am right...

Start thinking for yourselves sheep... become liberated.

I'll repeat it again:

You all are the same people who hated on Dirk, but quickly changed your tune once he won the championship.

You all are the same people who think Robert Horry is a hall of famer because he hit a few big shots, apparently his 6ppg career average is irrelevant right?

You are all the same people who thought Chauncey Billups was the best point guard in the league just because he won...in a team game... despite struggling the first 6 years in his career and at some points averaging 3 assists per game in a starting role with the Wolves.



K I'm going out... enjoy the rest of the time on your computers...winners

[Graviton]

This is not true?

"You all are the same people who hated on Dirk, but quickly changed your tune once he won the championship.

You all are the same people who think Robert Horry is a hall of famer because he hit a few big shots, apparently his 6ppg career average is irrelevant right?

You are all the same people who thought Chauncey Billups was the best point guard in the league just because he won...in a team game... despite struggling the first 6 years in his career and at some points averaging 3 assists per game in a starting role with the Wolves."

That's not true?

Theres so many examples of idiots on here and elsewhere not thinking logically. So i'm supposed to care that these same people, the same people who believe the examples above, don't agree with me?



His meltdown was so long it was over 10000 characters and had to be split in 2 posts. :roll:

[Graviton]

So I entered that shit into a word counter and got this...

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So his meltdown surpassed Pauk's by 300 words. :lol

[CanYouDigIt]

So I entered that shit into a word counter and got this...

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1822 words 10083 characters

So his meltdown surpassed Pauk's by 300 words. :lol
I'm honored to be apart of history :bowdown:

[plowking]

If Miami three-peats, Wade seems healthy, and Bosh improves from last season, he is staying 100%. Especially if Oden proves to be a terrific signing. If Wade is injured, Bosh plays like shit, Oden gets injured, and Miami loses, then you start talking about Cleveland and only Cleveland.

This.

Bron isn't changing teams again. Its either Miami or Cleveland.

Even then, I think he'll end his career in Miami. Even if Wade does go to crap these next few years, Bosh is a 20/10 big man who as the second option is fantastic. When Wade sits out games, Bosh really shines. Him and Bron in the pick and roll works amazingly.

Bosh will only get better with the decline of Wade, and it'll give us a more traditional and balanced attack. Any team with Bron on it is a 50 win team anyway essentially, so give him Bosh and some other pieces and he'll be inclined to stay.

[CanYouDigIt]

This.

Bron isn't changing teams again. Its either Miami or Cleveland.

Even then, I think he'll end his career in Miami. Even if Wade does go to crap these next few years, Bosh is a 20/10 big man who as the second option is fantastic. When Wade sits out games, Bosh really shines. Him and Bron in the pick and roll works amazingly.

Bosh will only get better with the decline of Wade, and it'll give us a more traditional and balanced attack. Any team with Bron on it is a 50 win team anyway essentially, so give him Bosh and some other pieces and he'll be inclined to stay.
Like I said, before the meltdown, if Wade and Bosh stay, Lebron shouldn't stay. Wade is on the decline and Bosh has been exposed as for his bad defense and inconstant offense during last season's playoffs.

I think Wade staying in Miami is guaranteed so that only leaves Bosh's decision to stay in Miami and be the 3rd Option and stay as the team's Center (which I know he hates) or he can go to another team and become their 2nd Option.

I think what people don't know is that next offseason is one probably the last time Prime Lebron can go back to the Cavs with Kyrie being a RFA soon.

[b1imtf]

I'm a raging *******
Oh..

[RRR3]

Wait, did NewYorkNoPicks just say Carmelo is a better 3PT shooter than Dirk Nowitzki? :biggums: :biggums: :facepalm

[RedBlackAttack]

If he doesn't stay in Miami... :facepalm

[Sarcastic]

Miami.

[Johnny Jones]

Lets look at the meltdown as a whole...

"He grabs nearly 7 rebounds a game... He's tough... He battles down low... He has the highest percentage of game winning oR tying shots converted out of all players in the league.

He IS the best scorer.

But maybe you're one of those LeBron nutriders who thinks charging to the basket every single time makes you an amazing scorer.

Want to know something else? Ewing was a better scorer than Shaq? Don't get it? You know why? Because you are fkinggg retardedddddd.

If I can do everything you do, plus more....then I am better than you.

There is nothing LeBron or Durant can do that Melo can't do offensively....and Melo does more.

Kobe has said Melo is the hardest cover in the entire league.


So a guy who JUST DEFENDS IS A TOP TEN PLAYER?! WHAT ARE YOU FKN STUPID? YOU LITTLE SHIT! PIECE OF GARBAGE FKN RETARD

TIM IS FINISHED! HE HAD A BRIEF RESURGENCE JUST LIKE SHAQ DID IN PHOENIX THAT ONE YEAR. After that? A CONTINUED DECLINE!

Duncan dominating DAVID LEE!? DAVID LEE!??!?! THE DOORMAN DAVD LEE!?! Hobbled Bogut? Bogut couldn't even stay on the court for more than 10 minutes a game!

Dominating Z-Bo?! HE IS A HORRIBLE DEFENDER! WOW THE MORE I READ WHAT YOU WROTE THE MORE RETARDED I REALIZE YOU ARE.

DIRK IS A POWER FORWARD WHO CAN NOT DEFEND AND REBOUNDS AT A BELOW AVERAGE RATE. THE FACT THAT HE, A POWER FORWARD HIS WHO CAREER AVERAGES JUST SLIGHTLY MORE REBOUNDS THAN MELO, A CAREER SMALL FORWARD IS PATHETIC!

DIRK IS NOT VERSATILE OFFENSIVELY!

DIRK CANT HANDLE THE BALL.. WHEN HE PUTS IT ON THE FLOOR FOR MORE THAN A FEW DRIBBLES FACING UP, HE TURNS IT OVER.

DIRK CAN'T CREATE OFF THE DRIBBLE, AND HE CAN'T SHOOT THE 3 AS WELL AS MELO. SO HOW IS DIRKS OFFENSE BETTER DIPSHIT?! HOW!?!?!?

IF MELO CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT DIRK DOES ON OFFENSE, AND MORE THEN HOW IS DIRK BETTER?

What a ridiculous statement. How old are you man? Seriously I refuse to argue with 14 year old little sh1ts.

He does everything just OK? You're just a hater.

How about BEST POST GAME IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE?

BEST MID RANGE JUMPER IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE

ASIDE FROM KOBE, BEST TURN AROUND FADEAWAY IN THE WHOLE LEAGUE

THE MOST DOMINANT ISO PLAYER IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE.

HE HAS HANDLES, HE HITS THE 3, HE CAN POST HIGH MID AND LOW, HIS FIRST STEP IS QUICK, HE CAN TAKE YOU MID RANGE.

Maybe youre also one of those Robert Horry logic posters. More rings = Better... right?

Youre one of those people who probably think Chauncey Billups is better than Allen Iverson because he won a championship which is a TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT. One of those idiots who fell into that trap because of "winning"

We're talking INDIVIDUALLY... not who has the more TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

Barkley didn't win, Malone didn't win, Dominique didn't win, Ewing didn't win, Iverson didn't win, T-Mac didn't win, Carter didn't win... etc etc. We're talking about individual skill...not team bs.

Guess what... Malone scored 35,000 points in his career! That's not amazing?!!

Duncan will fall short of that by more than 10,000! Dirk will fall short by a similar margin.

I don't give a sh1t that some players you have a favoritism for have had TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS and LUCK.

WERE TALKING INDIVIDUAL SKILL

I'm better than you in life

Duncan is 37 years old.... the year prior he averaged 12 to 13 ppg and looked slow and lost at times on offense.

Howard would've been NOTHING in the 1990's. HE IS NOT SKILLED AS A CENTER.

Dwight Howard is not a franchise player.

I watched ball in the 1990's... Were you even born *******? Were you?

Do you know what a skilled center looks like?

I watched Hakeem play. Dwight doesn't even have the offensive skills of Amare Stoudemire.

Team game!

Guess what... your god Russell Westbrook... If he was the #1 option on his team without a dominant player like Durant... He'd be looked upon like a Steve Francis, a Stephon Marbury.

Selfish, ball dominant, low bball iq, athletic, penetrating point guard with poor leadership skills.

You're just a sheep who gets sucked into "winning".

Probably one of those idiots who thinks Eli Manning is better than a guy like Aaron Rodgers because Eli "Won."

ITS A TEAM GAME

TEAM!


The majority of LeBron's shots come around the basket... He's 6"8 260, a locomotive coming at you with the most athleticism in the league...taking a higher percentage shot... Yes that'll make his FG% higher.

Tony Parkers FG% is also very high

You going to tell me he's a better scorer than Melo? The majority of Parkers shots come at the basket too.

And yes... I'll take the guy shooting 4% less but who has more ways of scoring, over a guy who shoots a few percentage points higher but isn't as versatile


I think you're a simpleton peter griffin factory worker who can't think out of the box and that's why you have a hard time trying to understand someone that is probably better than you at every aspect of life.

What if they triple team LeBron? They trap him? Theres a variety of way a team can cover you. If you have more tools then you can respond to each and every situation.

Shaq's "versatility" really worked out well against the Spurs while he was in Phoenix right.

I remember Pop sending in the scrubs to send Shaq Mr. Versatile O'Neal to the line.... it cost them.


wtf do you care about 4% man? It's insignificant.

You also don't seem to take a look at the teams around them.

How easy is it for Durant to take a cleaner shot when you have an athletic freak like Westbrook ready to draw the defense to him?

Who does Melo have?

LeBron has Bosh on one side of the floor, Wade on the other, both command double teams. Bosh operates away from the basket and can clear the lane for a guy like James.



Yeahhhh it's a small ball league this day guy

There are no big men in the league.

Does that give a team an advantage? Yeah if you have someone like an Andrew Bynum.

Dwight can be shut down by a defensive center. He's in his 10th season, has even been quoted by Hakeem as still being "RAW" and is coming off a SPINAL INJURY.

Do you remember Larry Johnson? After that back injury he was never the same. Dwight looked TERRIBLE last year.

Dwights not a great passer either. Something a guy like Shaq, a true great center excelled at. You shut down Dwight, he's turning it over.


Shaq isn't a better scorer than Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem, none of them...

A difference you can't seem to grasp is more dominant vs. better.

Shaq did what he did... and that's it. He couldn't shoot a jumper, couldn't fade a way, couldn't shoot a free throw, wasn't as effective from the mid post or anywhere that wasn't close to the basket. However, Shaq was DOMINANT. He dominated

Being better? That involves a variety of skills and versatility. Hakeem could do 3 moves before Shaq did 1.


Shaq is not a better scorer... he scored in just a few ways.... and dominated using those few ways.

That's like saying Reggie Miller is a better scorer than Ewing because he has more career points. Watch the damn game.

Reggie ran off screens and shot jumpers.... he couldn't post, couldn't drive, couldn't handle the ball. He was Rip Hamilton in god mode.

More Dominant vs. Better are different.


How is it obvious I lost an argument? Because the majority of people don't agree with me?

The majority of people are average. That's what makes an average....a large percentage of a group falling within a general range.

There are also outliers, those that are above.

The average man tried to kill the thinker who challenged that the world isn't flat.

I don't care what sheep say to me.

You all are the same people who hated on Dirk, but quickly changed your tune once he won the championship.

You all are the same people who think Robert Horry is a hall of famer because he hit a few big shots, apparently his 6ppg career average is irrelevant right?

You are all the same people who thought Chauncey Billups was the best point guard in the league just because he won...in a team game... despite struggling the first 6 years in his career and at some points averaging 3 assists per game in a starting role with the Wolves.

So many of you are the definition of sheep... think on your own for Christ's sake.

pictures because you've lost... theres nothing you can say.

The first post on this page just showed how idiotic some of you really are.

Truth hurts and most people can't accept it.

But in this world... you only survive with the support of people...which is a sad thing.

So you can continue to hate all you want, but in reality I know....and hopefully behind your self defensive mechanisms you also realize...that I am right...

Start thinking for yourselves sheep... become liberated.

I'll repeat it again:

You all are the same people who hated on Dirk, but quickly changed your tune once he won the championship.

You all are the same people who think Robert Horry is a hall of famer because he hit a few big shots, apparently his 6ppg career average is irrelevant right?

You are all the same people who thought Chauncey Billups was the best point guard in the league just because he won...in a team game... despite struggling the first 6 years in his career and at some points averaging 3 assists per game in a starting role with the Wolves.



K I'm going out... enjoy the rest of the time on your computers...winners
Jesus christ NewYorkNoPicks is a dumbass.

[Trollsmasher]

So I entered that shit into a word counter and got this...

Word Counter

1822 words 10083 characters

So his meltdown surpassed Pauk's by 300 words. :lol
What an achievement:bowdown:

[DaSeba5]

I hope that guy is ok :roll:

[EnoughSaid]

Do we put this meltdown down in history as the craziest ever? I mean he's defending Carmelo Anthony for gods sake. :facepalm

[All Net]

Miami

[BoutPractice]

Graviton > Normally I wouldn't answer to a giant wall of text like this, but the post happens to be making a point that I see being made more and more often... the recent idea that somehow Carmelo Anthony is in the same class as a player as prime Dirk Nowitzki.

This once fringe opinion has become fashionable ever since Melo became a Knick. As a general rule, Knicks are overrated, so it was to be expected...

Still, the facts are the facts... Statistically, to start with, Dirk is a more efficient scorer (especially in the playoffs: 46% VS 42%... Dirk also once had a 50-40-90 season) and a better rebounder; as for team success, Dirk not only won a championship with no other all-star on his team and got to the Finals twice in a crowded West, but he led a roster composed of players whose names most recent fans wouldn't even recognize to a 67 win season.

However, since some don't believe in accomplishments, I'll develop a bit why Dirk's better resume is a result of his particular attributes, skills and playing style rather than dumb luck...

Firstly, Dirk is a 7 ft tall PF while Carmelo is a 6'8 SF. This makes a huge difference as A) Dirk's mere presence on the court is in and of itself a huge problem for almost any defense. The paint is less crowded, more lanes are open, and more rebounds are available and B) Dirk's shots are harder to block, partly explaining the difference in efficiency.

Secondly, Dirk needs less time with the ball in his hands than Melo to get the job done. As a result an offense built around Dirk is more fluid and effective.

[SilkkTheShocker]

That RRR3 pic is too much :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[CanYouDigIt]

I think NewYorkNoPicks will be taking a nice hiatus from ISH :lol :lol :lol

[Heavincent]

I mean it's really not even worth a discussion. The Heat have won back to back titles, have an excellent young head coach, and is the best ran organization top to bottom in all of NBA.

The fact that there is even hype for the 2014 free agency class is hilarious. It's all about nothing.

Oh yeah?

[RagaZ]

I see Lebron joining another team, once Wade hits his decline.
:applause: