Kobes FG% in wins compared to losses CAREER

[TonyMontana]

"Field goal% doesn't matter, TS% is where its at!"

If FG% doesn't matter can anyone care to explain the following statistic.

Kobes Bryants Stats in Wins(811 games)
25.4 PPG 5.3 RPG 4.9 APG
47.6% shooting


Kobe Bryants Stats in Losses(428 games)
25.7 PPG 5.3 RPG 4.5 APG
41.7% shooting

Nearly identical except for one thing.

It is not a coincidence that Kobes field goal percentage in the wins is respectable while his field goal percentage in his losses is absolutely ****ing dreadful? Even his 47.6% in wins would be the lowest among the consensus top offensive players in NBA History. Just goes to show how stacked Kobes Lakers were for the majority of his career. Shoot 47% and guaranteed win.

Keep trying to tell yourself that field goal% doesn't matter though. :oldlol:

Elite shooting from the field is what separates the true greats from the chuckers.

[Inferno]

Since when was 48% from the field for a guard bad?

[Kblaze8855]

Oh so a guy who spent much of his career as a go to scorer shoots worse in games his team is behind and....therefore he gets more desperate to score in?

Had I not been watching basketball all my life that might be news. As things stand...you can shut the **** up.

[Connor B]

47% is good for a guy who mostly takes jump shots. Not disagreeing with your post because your overall point is correct, but 47% is good.

[CanYouDigIt]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/4805881/dr-drain-doesn-t-miss-o.gif

[Jameerthefear]

lock thread pls

[TonyMontana]

47% is pretty good, but once again "pretty good" is not the standard to which we are measuring Kobe. His fans think he is on par with the Wilts, Jordans, Birds, LeBrons, Shaqs. Those players OVERALL FG%s are better than Kobes strictly in his wins. Thats how big of a gap there is.


Oh so a guy who spent much of his career as a go to scorer shoots worse in games his team is behind and....therefore he gets more desperate to score in?

Had I not been watching basketball all my life that might be news. As things stand...you can shut the **** up.

Arn't you a 40+ year old mod? And the only thing you can say to my post full of facts is "shut the **** up".

Nuff said
:roll:

[Kblaze8855]

I could not agree more.

[TonyMontana]

"Field goal% doesn't matter, TS% is where its at!"

If FG% doesn't matter can anyone care to explain the following statistic.

Kobes Bryants Stats in Wins(811 games)
25.4 PPG 5.3 RPG 4.9 APG
47.6% shooting


Kobe Bryants Stats in Losses(428 games)
25.7 PPG 5.3 RPG 4.5 APG
41.7% shooting

Nearly identical except for one thing.

It is not a coincidence that Kobes field goal percentage in the wins is respectable while his field goal percentage in his losses is absolutely ****ing dreadful? Even his 47.6% in wins would be the lowest among the consensus top offensive players in NBA History. Just goes to show how stacked Kobes Lakers were for the majority of his career. Shoot 47% and guaranteed win.

Keep trying to tell yourself that field goal% doesn't matter though.

Elite shooting from the field is what separates the true greats from the chuckers.

Thread remade because kblaze was butthurt it went against his agenda. It will continue to be remade This thread will bring out the truth about fieldgoal percentage and promote quality discussion.

[Jameerthefear]

hope you get banned for this temper tantrum.

[DaSeba5]

And here is the last time we will see you

[CanYouDigIt]

:lol

[Akhenaten]

TS% is a fugazi stat

[TonyMontana]

And here is the last time we will see you

Doubtful, I am simply promoting quality basketball discussion(something this board needs).

Kblaze is the one who should be scared of losing his position since he is abusing powers simply because he got owned in a debate full of facts which forced him to resort to personal attacks.

[KnicksWolves]

Oh so a guy who spent much of his career as a go to scorer shoots worse in games his team is behind and....therefore he gets more desperate to score in?

Had I not been watching basketball all my life that might be news. As things stand...you can shut the **** up.

I don't understand how the fallacy of this thread can be any more clear than this statement, lol.

[alec613]

Good bye, Pauk.

Though another 1 of his alt accounts will pop out after this

[Jameerthefear]

made sure to report this clown.

[TonyMontana]

I don't understand how the fallacy of this thread can be any more clear than this statement, lol.

To debunk the "field goal percentage doesn't matter" crowd.

As you can see it does matter and there is a VERY HIGH positive correlation between field goal percentages and impact leading to wins.

[Kblaze8855]

And here I was thinking I had an anti Kobe "agenda". Thats what I keep being told. Anyway...

[Jameerthefear]

lock thread pls

[Doranku]

You're an inbred retarded. Doesn't this go against EVERYTHING Kobe haters like yourself try to prove?

If Kobe was indeed "carried" by Shaq and Pau/Odom/Bynum frontcourts, wouldn't you expect this difference to be minimal at best? If those guys were the reason that Kobe won 5 rings, his production shouldn't matter as much as their's do, right?

Yet here we see that Kobe shoots 6% better in wins than in losses. Seems like when Kobe plays well, the team wins, and when Kobe plays poorly, the team loses.

B-b-b-but I thought it was all Shaq and Gasol/Odom/Bynum!!!















Nice self-either thread you idiot. Be glad that the mods closed that shit and saved yourself the embarrassment.

[Kblaze8855]

Lets hold ourselves to a slightly higher standard than indulging these people in arguments you know dont need to happen. Just for a while.

Can we just try it?

He made a topic to bait people into more idiotic fighting. I closed it. Can that be the end for now?

[CanYouDigIt]

:roll:

[Jameerthefear]

kblaze can jeff ban tony now?

[Jameerthefear]

keep digging that hole. hope jeff bans your alts too

[Owl]

"Field goal% doesn't matter, TS% is where its at!"

If FG% doesn't matter can anyone care to explain the following statistic.

Kobes Bryants Stats in Wins(811 games)
25.4 PPG 5.3 RPG 4.9 APG
47.6% shooting


Kobe Bryants Stats in Losses(428 games)
25.7 PPG 5.3 RPG 4.5 APG
41.7% shooting

Nearly identical except for one thing.

It is not a coincidence that Kobes field goal percentage in the wins is respectable while his field goal percentage in his losses is absolutely ****ing dreadful? Even his 47.6% in wins would be the lowest among the consensus top offensive players in NBA History. Just goes to show how stacked Kobes Lakers were for the majority of his career. Shoot 47% and guaranteed win.

Keep trying to tell yourself that field goal% doesn't matter though.

Elite shooting from the field is what separates the true greats from the chuckers.

Also he didn't post TS% for comparison. That would indicate which correlates more with winning. I suspect the gap would be in the same ballpark, probably slightly larger (though I don't know).

FG% does matter (common sense tells us a high usage guy will lose more when he shoots badly and win when he shoots well) but it's a part of scoring efficiency which is better measured by TS%.

And FWIW I think Kobe is generally overrated (or at least I have him lower on my all time list than I believe others do).

Edit: Sorry for responding, I just had it ready typed when the previous thread was closed.

[KG215]

Thread remade because kblaze was butthurt it went against his agenda. It will continue to be remade This thread will bring out the truth about fieldgoal percentage and promote quality discussion.
Or, you know, because it's a stupid thread with a stupid premise and a clear agenda behind it to bait people.

[treadster]

this have to stop right now

[talamo]

"Field goal% doesn't matter, TS% is where its at!"

If FG% doesn't matter can anyone care to explain the following statistic.

Kobes Bryants Stats in Wins(811 games)
25.4 PPG 5.3 RPG 4.9 APG
47.6% shooting


Kobe Bryants Stats in Losses(428 games)
25.7 PPG 5.3 RPG 4.5 APG
41.7% shooting

Nearly identical except for one thing.

It is not a coincidence that Kobes field goal percentage in the wins is respectable while his field goal percentage in his losses is absolutely ****ing dreadful? Even his 47.6% in wins would be the lowest among the consensus top offensive players in NBA History. Just goes to show how stacked Kobes Lakers were for the majority of his career. Shoot 47% and guaranteed win.

Keep trying to tell yourself that field goal% doesn't matter though.

Elite shooting from the field is what separates the true greats from the chuckers.

Thread remade because kblaze was butthurt it went against his agenda. It will continue to be remade This thread will bring out the truth about fieldgoal percentage and promote quality discussion.



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[longtime lurker]

This needs to be renamed "I'm desperately trying to get banned thread"

[Heavincent]

Making the same thread over and over again, just like electric slide.

Couldn't be more obvious that you guys are the same person.

[DMAVS41]

Do this for other players....nothing surprising if you ask me.

Do Dirk...

[Jameerthefear]

if tony doesn't get banned for this...

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

^I'm going against my own advice here, but just don't even reply to this guy. He's a waste of time.

[Round Mound]

"Field goal% doesn't matter, TS% is where its at!"

If FG% doesn't matter can anyone care to explain the following statistic.

Kobes Bryants Stats in Wins(811 games)
25.4 PPG 5.3 RPG 4.9 APG
47.6% shooting


Kobe Bryants Stats in Losses(428 games)
25.7 PPG 5.3 RPG 4.5 APG
41.7% shooting

Nearly identical except for one thing.

It is not a coincidence that Kobes field goal percentage in the wins is respectable while his field goal percentage in his losses is absolutely ****ing dreadful? Even his 47.6% in wins would be the lowest among the consensus top offensive players in NBA History. Just goes to show how stacked Kobes Lakers were for the majority of his career. Shoot 47% and guaranteed win.

Keep trying to tell yourself that field goal% doesn't matter though. :oldlol:

Elite shooting from the field is what separates the true greats from the chuckers.

:applause:

[Magic 32]

So when Kobe played great , the Lakers won.

Good to know he was that important.

[Akhenaten]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/3600928/tony-montana-injured-stance-o.gif

[chazzy]

I like how he keeps spamming a premise with a major logical fallacy.

[Jameerthefear]

thread got locked 3-4 times, but now it's combined with others..

[Legends66NBA7]

thread got locked 3-4 times, but now it's combined with others..

Yeah, who merged and unlocked the thread ?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yeah, who merged and unlocked the thread ?

A mod that REALLY dislikes Kobe. :oldlol:

[funnystuff]

Funny how if a poster posts stats that don't go Kobes way, all his stans are like "Well, you'll be getting banned soon." :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lolllll. :oldlol: :banana:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Funny how if a poster posts stats that don't go Kobes way, all his stans are like "Well, you'll be getting banned soon." :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lolllll. :oldlol: :banana:
How do they not go his way?

811-428 :bowdown:
5 Championships :bowdown:

"Da Gawd"

[TheMarkMadsen]

Funny how if a poster posts stats that don't go Kobes way, all his stans are like "Well, you'll be getting banned soon." :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lolllll. :oldlol: :banana:

We know you're not smart enough to recognize the logical fallacy in the OP.

[TonyMontana]

Funny how if a poster posts stats that don't go Kobes way, all his stans are like "Well, you'll be getting banned soon." :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lolllll. :oldlol: :banana:

Right. :oldlol: . These guys can't argue facts. The only counter rebuttle is "BAN HIM"/"LOCK THE THREAD"/"YOUR A TROLL". What these kids don't realize is that posts like mine arn't killing quality discussion, it is their posts where all they do is bitch and contribute actually nothing of note. I think that little anime porn kid posted about 4 times each time I made the thread. :oldlol:

Thank you to whoever reopened/merged the threads. I am glad to see that all of those ads I click between posts is not going to be in vain. :cheers:

[TonyMontana]

Do this for other players....nothing surprising if you ask me.

Do Dirk...

Dirk in wins(719 games)
23.7 PPG 8.4 RPG 2.8 APG
49.5% shooting

Dirk in losses(389 games)
20.5 PPG 7.9 RPG 2.3 APG
43.6% shooting

What I find interesting is the ratio of wins-losses Dirk has when he hasn't played with nearly as many great players as others in this generation. The ratio is similar to Kobes yet Dirks best teammate was who? Tyson Chandler for only one year? Steve Nash who was putting up similar production to his last year in LA? Jason Terry? :oldlol:

Dirk is my personal most underrated player in league history. Noone has done more with less. (LeBron is close)

[Magic 32]

Dirk is my personal most underrated player in league history. Noone has done more with less. (LeBron is close)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/4f6f6de165cdbf746ec400dda49d22a7/tumblr_mor6ruwhFm1som4ioo1_500.gif

[KG215]

Originally Posted by funnystuff
Funny how if a poster posts stats that don't go Kobes way, all his stans are like "Well, you'll be getting banned soon."

No, it's a majorly flawed argument in an attempt to knock someone. You could go down the list of all the great players and probably come to a similar conclusion: FG% is great (by their standards) in wins and bad in losses. It's an obvious troll/bait attempt by a poster with an obvious agenda.

[TonyMontana]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/4f6f6de165cdbf746ec400dda49d22a7/tumblr_mor6ruwhFm1som4ioo1_500.gif

Both of them have 1 title with so-so teams. Hakeems team in 1995 was a 6th seed that was probably going to lose in the first round again if they didn't get Drexler midseason who played amazing that season. Hakeem also has too many first round exits throughout his career. Not saying Dirk is better, but he has done more with less.

[Nash]

could you do this with Jordan, Lebron, Bird and a few others?

[Doranku]

Wow. OP just straight bullied and embarrassed the mods of this forum. :roll:

What a joke this place is. The inmates really do run the asylum here.

[EnoughSaid]

It's almost as if when a player plays well, his team wins!

10/10 great post. :applause:

[TheMarkMadsen]

What mod is deleting post? And what unlocked all these threads and merged them? OP has made this tread 4 times today.

Which mod REALLY hates Kobe THAT much?

[Legends66NBA7]

could you do this with Jordan, Lebron, Bird and a few others?

You can do it yourself, man. It's not hard.


What mod is deleting post? And what unlocked all these threads and merged them? OP has made this tread 4 times today.

Which mod REALLY hates Kobe THAT much?

I only recall 2 times and Kblaze locked both of them and the response thread by Doranku... which got deleted.

[Electric Slide]

Wow. OP just straight bullied and embarrassed the mods of this forum. :roll:

What a joke this place is. The inmates really do run the asylum here.
It gets this site money, so it's all good.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You can do it yourself, man. It's not hard.



I only recall 2 times and Kblaze locked both of them and the response thread by Doranku... which got deleted.

I saw those 2 and another, this one aswell. Don't know why they were opened again. I mean I guess let the say open to expose the OP and his severely flawed logic?

[Legends66NBA7]

I saw those 2 and another, this one aswell. Don't know why they were opened again. I mean I guess let the say open to expose the OP and his severely flawed logic?

Eh, I guess you got to do something on a Sunday online ISH.

Going to step out now. Wonder if the thread hits 100 more replies before the official delete ?

Later.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Eh, I guess you got to do something on a Sunday online ISH.

Going to step out now. Wonder if the thread hits 100 more replies before the official delete ?

Later.

It's never the right time to say goodbye

[TonyMontana]

could you do this with Jordan, Lebron, Bird and a few others?

Jordan in wins(668 games)
31.PPG 6.4 RPG 5.3 APG
51.5% shooting

Jordan in losses(322 games)
28.6 PPG 5.8 RPG 5.0 APG
45.7% shooting

Bird in wins(302 games)
26.1 PPG 9.3 RPG 7.2 APG
51.5% shooting

Bird in losses(116 games)
22.4 PPG 9.1 RPG 6.3 APG
44.4% shooting

LeBron in wins(502 games)
28.2 PPG 7.5 RPG 7.2 APG
51.5% shooting

LeBron in losses(263 games)
26.3 PPG 6.7 RPG 6.3 APG
44.7% shooting

Magic in wins(371 games)
21.1 PPG 6.7 RPG 12.4 APG
51.7% shooting

Magin in losses(120 games)
19.6 PPG 6.4 RPG 10.4 APG
44.9% shooting

As you can see, this is consistent with all of the all-time great perimeter players. Anyone that simply disregards this statistic and its importance in individual play clearly has an agenda and is extremely biased.

The wins for all of these players is dramatically higher when they shoot a higher percentage from the field, more so than any other statistic. Kobes FG% doesn't even compare to any of them. The only modern "all-time greats" that Kobe bests in this statistic is guys like Isiah Thomas, Allen Iverson, and Jason Kidd. That is Kobes company and its time people realize it. It is simply not a contest when your comparing him to the Birds, LeBrons, Magics, and Jordans.

[tpols]

Soo.. superstars generally have better stats in games their teams win? Whats the point here.

Oh I forgot tony's been snorting too much pure grade:oldlol:

[branslowski]

I wonder if OP is capable of making a thread that doesn't involve Kobe....Kobe isn't his fav player but hes made more Kobe threads than me..lol, shows his insecurity.

[branslowski]

Lets hold ourselves to a slightly higher standard than indulging these people in arguments you know dont need to happen. Just for a while.

Can we just try it?

He made a topic to bait people into more idiotic fighting. I closed it. Can that be the end for now?

You right, trust me I know you are...Ur looking at it from a grown man reality stance, but for troll world, this is a pretty nice bait thread bro.

He can't change the Fact that Kobes top 7 Player Alltime, nor can he change the fact that Kobe has 5 titles and 2 Finals MVPs....Same with ppl trolling LeBron and Jordan, it happens with the greatest players....Your doing something right as a player when a poster makes it his duty to post about you..Kobe=God.

[TonyMontana]

Soo.. superstars generally have better stats in games their teams win? Whats the point here.


That FG% is a very important statistic when evaluating greatness, especially for players whose only above average attribute is scoring. :oldlol:

Check out the modern players who are all given recognition for greatness. You will notice that all of their FG%s are 50% or very close to it. There is no reason to disregard this statistic unless you have an agenda and refuse to accept reality.

At 45% Kobe is closer to the Iversons and Carmelos than he is to the LeBrons and Jordans. The difference between him and those other guys is that he had consistently stacked rosters to work with.

[branslowski]

Stacked Rosters?:roll:

Bynum 6ppg 3reb during first title run
Odom 12ppg (one less than Mo Williams during same title run)

Only Gasol was consistant......It's fun watching trolls spew BS:lol

[Electric Slide]

You right, trust me I know you are...Ur looking at it from a grown man reality stance, but for troll world, this is a pretty nice bait thread bro.

He can't change the Fact that Kobes top 7 Player Alltime, nor can he change the fact that Kobe has 5 titles and 2 Finals MVPs....Same with ppl trolling LeBron and Jordan, it happens with the greatest players....Your doing something right as a player when a poster makes it his duty to post about you..Kobe=God.
Top 7? Try Top 17. Kobe doesn't deserve 2 Finals MVP since the rightful owner of the 2010 Finals MVP is Pau Gasol's.

[Byobob]

That FG% is a very important statistic when evaluating greatness, especially for players whose only above average attribute is scoring. :oldlol:

Check out the modern players who are all given recognition for greatness. You will notice that all of their FG%s are 50% or very close to it. There is no reason to disregard this statistic unless you have an agenda and refuse to accept reality.


QFT. Though I'm not sure who are those that disregard FG%.

[Electric Slide]

Stacked Rosters?:roll:

Bynum 6ppg 3reb during first title run
Odom 12ppg (one less than Mo Williams during same title run)

Only Gasol was consistant......It's fun watching trolls spew BS:lol
Odom averaged 9 rebounds in 2009 and 2010, 10 if we adjust it to per 36 minutes.

lol at ignoring rebounds that's why Kobe wins anyways because his teammates bail him out by getting offensive rebounds and putting back his misses.

[Akhenaten]

It's almost as if when a player plays well, his team wins!

10/10 great post. :applause:

Thread shouldnt have been locked in the first place.

Op's point is a simple one, there is great correlation between FG% and wins, the same is true of team stats.

To sarcastically say "Incredible, teams win when they shoot well from the field!" is disingenuous and stupid, because so many of you INSIST raw fg % tells us nothing as to a player's/team's performance and impact on wins vs losses.

The Kblaze poster makes the inane assertion that player's low FG% is reflective of being behind and having to force desperate shots.

One could just as flippantly say a team being down is because a player or playerS are were taking bad shots to BEGIN with.

It's simple you hold a team to a low % and you shoot a high or higher %, majority of the time you will WIN. Lol @ people acting like this is obvious and a foregone conclusion when pseudo-intellectuals sit up here all day typing dissertations saying FG% doesnt tel us anything about how a player performed.

Props to the mod who unlocked this, the mod who locked it allowed his personal qualms to lead him to abusing his power.

[Jameerthefear]

Thread shouldnt have been locked in the first place.

Op's point is a simple one, there is great correlation between FG% and wins, the same is true of team stats.

To sarcastically say "Incredible, teams win when they shoot well from the field!" is disingenuous and stupid, because so many of you INSIST raw fg % tells us nothing as to a player's/team's performance and impact on wins vs losses.

The Kblaze poster makes the inane assertion that player's low FG% is reflective of being behind and having to force desperate shots.

One could just as flippantly say a team being down is because a player or playerS are were taking bad shots to BEGIN with.

It's simple you hold a team to a low % and you shoot a high or higher %, majority of the time you will WIN. Lol @ people acting like this is obvious and a foregone conclusion when pseudo-intellectuals sit up here all day typing dissertations saying FG% doesnt tel us anything about how a player performed.

Props to the mod who unlocked this, the mod who locked it allowed his personal qualms to lead him to abusing his power.
you don't know how this forum works bud. op made a thread with an obvious agenda. to demean another player. if tony made a thread with a neutral subject stating something like "Look at how much low FG% correlates to losses"
and then posted multiple players, then this thread wouldn't have been locked. but seriously was the new mod campaign just made up? kblaze is one of the most respectable posters on here.

[branslowski]

Odom averaged 9 rebounds in 2009 and 2010, 10 if we adjust it to per 36 minutes.

lol at ignoring rebounds that's why Kobe wins anyways because his teammates bail him out by getting offensive rebounds and putting back his misses.

So his 12ppg and 9reb carried Kobe? Or Bynums 6ppg 3reb carried Kobe? Or maybe Artest 11ppg 4reb 39%fg carried Kobe? Good to know troll:oldlol:

Yet Wade and Bosh drops 15ppg and 12ppg and they were garbage, But Bynum and Odoms and Artest stats equates to Kobe being carried.:roll:

Funny stuff...Troll away gentlemen:applause:

[andgar923]

So Kobe is overrated, what else is new :confusedshrug:

[Akhenaten]

QFT. Though I'm not sure who are those that disregard FG%.

If you've been on this board for any measure of time, you would know that MANY posters deride the importance of shooting well from the field (mainly Kobe and Iverson fans, some Melo fans).

EDIT: just saw you were an April 2013 poster.

[TonyMontana]

Stacked Rosters?:roll:

Bynum 6ppg 3reb during first title run
Odom 12ppg (one less than Mo Williams during same title run)

Only Gasol was consistant......It's fun watching trolls spew BS:lol

From the time Gasol was acquired to 2010 what percentage of the season did LA have the first seed? 90%? 95%?

For the first 8 years of his career he had PRIME SHAQ, who can be argued as the greatest player in basketball history.

In other words when Kobe doesn't have a stacked team, his teams have done very little.

Get a grip. Lamar Odom averaged 17-10-4 on a 2nd round team the very year before going to LA. He is better than anyone LeBron ever had on Cleveland, and despite this LeBron has never lost in the first round.

:roll:

[Electric Slide]

So his 12ppg and 9reb carried Kobe? Or Bynums 6ppg 3reb carried Kobe? Or maybe Artest 11ppg 4reb 39%fg carried Kobe? Good to know troll:oldlol:

Yet Wade and Bosh drops 15ppg and 12ppg and they were garbage, But Bynum and Odoms and Artest stats equates to Kobe being carried.:roll:

Funny stuff...Troll away gentlemen:applause:
No surprise you are ignoring the rebounding stat because you Kobe fans don't give a shit about anything other than scoring.

Odom averaged 12 ppg and 9 rpg and was their THIRD option. Pau Gasol, the real 2010 Finals MVP was averaging 20/10 and 20/11 in 2009 and 2010.

Wade and Bosh didn't do shit other than drop 10-15 ppg. They were more comparable to Ron Artest who was the 4th best player.

Kobe has more help than Lebron as always and this is why he is clearly inferior to him.

[TonyMontana]

QFT. Though I'm not sure who are those that disregard FG%.

:cheers:

People with Kobe avatars will immedietly disregard FG% in debates, and go on about how "TS%" is the only thing that matters. It happens quite often.

[Jameerthefear]

trolls really do run these boards though... :lol

[TonyMontana]

Thread shouldnt have been locked in the first place.

Op's point is a simple one, there is great correlation between FG% and wins, the same is true of team stats.

To sarcastically say "Incredible, teams win when they shoot well from the field!" is disingenuous and stupid, because so many of you INSIST raw fg % tells us nothing as to a player's/team's performance and impact on wins vs losses.

The Kblaze poster makes the inane assertion that player's low FG% is reflective of being behind and having to force desperate shots.

One could just as flippantly say a team being down is because a player or playerS are were taking bad shots to BEGIN with.

It's simple you hold a team to a low % and you shoot a high or higher %, majority of the time you will WIN. Lol @ people acting like this is obvious and a foregone conclusion when pseudo-intellectuals sit up here all day typing dissertations saying FG% doesnt tel us anything about how a player performed.

Props to the mod who unlocked this, the mod who locked it allowed his personal qualms to lead him to abusing his power.

Thanks, I agree. Im glad justice was served.

Lots of people on this site are like woman in which they argue with their emotions over the facts and throw a bitch fit just because their feelings get hurt and they are unable to form a respective rebuttal. :cheers:

[Akhenaten]

you don't know how this forum works bud. op made a thread with an obvious agenda.

You mean like 98% of the threads around here?
:roll: :roll:

I know ALL TO WELL how this forum works...BUD.

[andgar923]

No surprise you are ignoring the rebounding stat because you Kobe fans don't give a shit about anything other than scoring.

Odom averaged 12 ppg and 9 rpg and was their THIRD option. Pau Gasol, the real 2010 Finals MVP was averaging 20/10 and 20/11 in 2009 and 2010.

Wade and Bosh didn't do shit other than drop 10-15 ppg. They were more comparable to Ron Artest who was the 4th best player.

Kobe has more help than Lebron as always and this is why he is clearly inferior to him.

But even then it doesn't tell the full story.

Their impact lies beyond the numbers.

They open up the floor, they create mismatch problems, they can pass from the big position (which is huge, specially in the triangle offense), and even tho they're not great one on one defenders, their length (specially when playing together) gives teams issues.

This is all well and dandy, and historically speaking the won't go down as Hall of Famers (Gasol has a chance as an international player

[Jameerthefear]

You mean like 98% of the threads around here?
:roll: :roll:

I know ALL TO WELL how this forum works...BUD.
yes, but the issue here is that he's a known troll. if you hung around more you'd understand how many threads actually get deleted here. a good percentage of them are threads looking to demean a player. tony's apparently got the mods by the balls so w/e i'm outof this thread. go on typing paragraphs "owning" others over an online message board.

[TonyMontana]

yes, but the issue here is that he's a known troll. if you hung around more you'd understand how many threads actually get deleted here. a good percentage of them are threads looking to demean a player. tony's apparently got the mods by the balls so w/e i'm outof this thread. go on typing paragraphs "owning" others over an online message board.

:applause:

Pce out kid. Enjoy your sailor moon anime porn. :oldlol:



Kobe is one of the greatest players to ever play, one of the greatest of is era.

But not as great as many make him out to be.

Agreed, he is simply not in the class with MJ, LeBron, Bird, Magic. No shame in that, not many are.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Tony Montana owning Kobe stans like always

http://31.media.tumblr.com/d1f087f590fb1aea74b44c4cf0145f9e/tumblr_mh5rmfFqFN1rezizro1_500.gif

[daily]

yes, but the issue here is that he's a known troll. if you hung around more you'd understand how many threads actually get deleted here. a good percentage of them are threads looking to demean a player. tony's apparently got the mods by the balls so w/e i'm outof this thread. go on typing paragraphs "owning" others over an online message board.

Time to go find someplace else to post. :lol This place has gone down the toilet.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

:applause:

Pce out kid. Enjoy your sailor moon anime porn. :oldlol:

Look at that disgusting avatar :facepalm

[Akhenaten]

a good percentage of them are threads looking to demean a player.

Oh NOES! We cant have that now can we?

I agree with stuff getting deleted when its redundant, like that Kenneth posters who will make 4 threads in 20 mins about the same exact thing, but deleting a singular thread because its "demeaning"?

Yall might as well make the forum background pink with sprinkles and glitter at that point :oldlol: .

I'll take this board's dysfunction and mild chaos over that clinical, gestapo-run REALGM any day.

Ever seen the movie Pleasantvile?

[oh the horror]

Tony Montana owning Kobe stans like always

http://31.media.tumblr.com/d1f087f590fb1aea74b44c4cf0145f9e/tumblr_mh5rmfFqFN1rezizro1_500.gif



At this point it wouldn't shock me if this is the OP's alt account coming here to agree with himself


It's that sad around here.

[diamenz]

:applause:



Agreed, he is simply not in the class with MJ, LeBron, Bird, Magic. No shame in that, not many are.

http://www.sportsgeekery.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/lebron-flop-2.gif

[Jameerthefear]

Look at that disgusting avatar :facepalm
last post in this thread, what's so disgusting about this?
http://i.imgur.com/pmxz228.gif

[HoopsFanNumero1]

At this point it wouldn't shock me if this is the OP's alt account coming here to agree with himself


It's that sad around here.

You're always welcome to leave.

[Magic 32]

You're always welcome to leave.

Rich for an Apr 2013'er

[oh the horror]

You're always welcome to leave.



I've been here for several years. Maybe you should leave kiddo?

[HoopsFanNumero1]

I've been here for several years. Maybe you should leave kiddo?

I'm not the one always bitching about how bad this place is.

[Bandito]

Oh NOES! We cant have that now can we?

I agree with stuff getting deleted when its redundant, like that Kenneth posters who will make 4 threads in 20 mins about the same exact thing, but deleting a singular thread because its "demeaning"?

Yall might as well make the forum background pink with sprinkles and glitter at that point :oldlol: .

I'll take this board's dysfunction and mild chaos over that clinical, gestapo-run REALGM any day.

Ever seen the movie Pleasantvile?
But Tony Montana did the same thing with literally the same thread topic. It just got merged.:facepalm

I didn't want to post here and bait the troll but I had to answer to yoou.

[TonyMontana]

I'm not the one always bitching about how bad this place is.

Right :oldlol:

These guys cry more than a woman on her period, but we all know they'll be back. And even if they did leave noone would bat an eyelash. They are irrelevant. Veterans minumum posters.

[daily]

Rich for an Apr 2013'er
Apr 13 crowd is the worst crop of posters in one lump to ever hit this site. There's a couple good ones but for the most part nothing but morons such as the one you're quoting

[chazzy]

Now do it with TS%. Who says FG% is useless? People just say TS% is a better indicator of efficiency because it is. If two teams have an equal amount of offensive boards and turnovers, the team with the higher TS% wins every time. It's 2013 people, catch up

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Apr 13 crowd is the worst crop of posters in one lump to ever hit this site. There's a couple good ones but for the most part nothing but morons such as the one you're quoting

Internet tough guy :applause:

[daily]

Now do it with TS%. Who says FG% is useless? People just say TS% is a better indicator of efficiency because it is. If two teams have an equal amount of offensive boards and turnovers, the team with the higher TS% wins every time. It's 2013 people, catch up

Trolls won't use TS% or EFG%

For their agendas they need to use the most basic forms of stats, their arguments break down when you expose them to a more precise form of scrutiny.

[andgar923]

All TS does is inflate percentages due to FT%

[Electric Slide]

Kobe's TS% isn't even that good. It's better than what his FG% might indicate but it's still weak compared to all-time greats like Jordan, Lebron, and Magic.

It's comparable to someone like Melo.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Are Kobe stans ever going to come to terms with the fact Lebron is a better player than Kobe ever was?

[tpols]

All TS does is inflate percentages due to FT%
No.. it normalizes everything down to points per possesion. Which is the most basic scoring efficiency measure.. how many points you score per possesion used.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I've been here for several years. Maybe you should leave kiddo?
All this poster does is bitch non-stop. :oldlol:

[imdaman99]

so you're gonna tell me MJ's shooting %s was on par in his losses as it was in his wins? or lebrons? or birds or magics?
why is this news?

oh, its RG. he's gonna beat the hell out of this dead horse :facepalm

[branslowski]

You're always welcome to leave.

Apr 2013

Another troll who adds nothing to this board.

Facts: Kobe 2 time Finals MVP Top _7 Alltime


Troll non Facts reality, Gasol 2010 Finals MVP....searched da record books, didn't see it....But thats trolls reality for ya...

[TonyMontana]

All TS does is inflate percentages due to FT%

Agreed, it is also used by them to try and discredit guys like Shaq/Wilt who had low percentages from the line.

The reality is even if these guys only make half their free throws, the amount of fouls they force on the other team gets opposing teams in the penalty constantly and benefits the rest of the team by letting anyone go to the line on non-shooting fouls.


Kobe's TS% isn't even that good. It's better than what his FG% might indicate but it's still weak compared to all-time greats like Jordan, Lebron, and Magic.

It's comparable to someone like Melo.

This too. Even his "TS%" is lower than all of the perimeter legends so even if they want to go with this stat he is still inferior. :oldlol:

[TonyMontana]

Apr 2013

Another troll who adds nothing to this board.

Facts: Kobe 2 time Finals MVP Top _7 Alltime


Troll non Facts reality, Gasol 2010 Finals MVP....searched da record books, didn't see it....But thats trolls reality for ya...

Searched the record books

Didnt see "top 7 Alltime" but I guess thats troll reality for ya.

[oh the horror]

Right :oldlol:

These guys cry more than a woman on her period, but we all know they'll be back. And even if they did leave noone would bat an eyelash. They are irrelevant. Veterans minumum posters.



Bro you can stop with this "holier than thou" posting you do.

Your insecurity stinks to high heaven. Fact is, we complain because you use this forum to release your real life angst and frankly you're annoying.


You're the kid that keeps wandering in the middle of the conversation among adults. The problem is online we all are subjected to your nonsense because you can post on here freely.


You're some insignificant dork that throws "Tony Montana" on his moniker, comes online and talks big shit.


You don't think we can't smell your p*ssy from over the Internet?



"Tony Montana". Lol Christ what a nerd.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Tony once again absolutely destroying posters :applause: :lol

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Apr 2013

Another troll who adds nothing to this board.

Facts: Kobe 2 time Finals MVP Top _7 Alltime


Troll non Facts reality, Gasol 2010 Finals MVP....searched da record books, didn't see it....But thats trolls reality for ya...

dafuq? Who said anything about Gasol?

[oh the horror]

Tony once again absolutely destroying posters :applause: :lol


And here's the other one. Bringing it up the rear as usual.

[TonyMontana]

Bro you can stop with this "holier than thou" posting you do.

Your insecurity stinks to high heaven. Fact is, we complain because you use this forum to release your real life angst and frankly you're annoying.


You're the kid that keeps wandering in the middle of the conversation among adults. The problem is online we all are subjected to your nonsense because you can post on here freely.


You're some insignificant dork that throws "Tony Montana" on his moniker, comes online and talks big shit.


You don't think we can't smell your p*ssy from over the Internet?



"Tony Montana". Lol Christ what a nerd.

Says the guy who has an avatar of Batman spanking Catwoman

:roll:


Tony once again absolutely destroying posters :applause: :lol

They make it too easy :lol

[longtime lurker]

I can't believe the mods actually reopened this piece of shit topic. Guess the inmates are truly running the asylum. Fitting because I'm sure that's where Tony Montana is posting from.

[oh the horror]

Says the guy who has an avatar of Batman spanking Catwoman

:roll:



They make it too easy :lol


We get it. You watched Scarface one evening after your parents fell asleep.

But the thing is, that doesn't give you free pass to annoy the rest of us.

[andgar923]

I can't believe the mods actually reopened this piece of shit topic. Guess the inmates are truly running the asylum. Fitting because I'm sure that's where Tony Montana is posting from.

I came in there thinking it was an obvious conclusion that star players underperformed in losses, so there was no need for this thread. I actually didn't even click on the original thread nor did I click on this one for a while.

But the argument he's mainly making is legit:

While star players perform worse in losses than they do in wins, Kobe doesn't stack up to the players he's usually mentioned with.

The statistical evidence is NOT troll-ish. It does give us some more insight into how great players have performed as well as a way to measure how they stack up against one another (which is what we do here 90% of the time).

[Round Mound]

Dirk in wins(719 games)
23.7 PPG 8.4 RPG 2.8 APG
49.5% shooting

Dirk in losses(389 games)
20.5 PPG 7.9 RPG 2.3 APG
43.6% shooting

What I find interesting is the ratio of wins-losses Dirk has when he hasn't played with nearly as many great players as others in this generation. The ratio is similar to Kobes yet Dirks best teammate was who? Tyson Chandler for only one year? Steve Nash who was putting up similar production to his last year in LA? Jason Terry? :oldlol:

Dirk is my personal most underrated player in league history. Noone has done more with less. (LeBron is close)

:applause: Maybe some day you can find one for Barkley 87-92...some seasons shooting over 62% 2-Point FG on Over 22 PPG While Shooting Lesser FGAs PG Than Most Other Stars

[SamuraiSWISH]

You don't think we can't smell your p*ssy from over the Internet?
This really made me laugh.

:oldlol:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

People are legit losing their minds over Tony Montana's posts :lol

[longtime lurker]

I came in there thinking it was an obvious conclusion that star players underperformed in losses, so there was no need for this thread. I actually didn't even click on the original thread nor did I click on this one for a while.

But the argument he's mainly making is legit:

While star players perform worse in losses than they do in wins, Kobe doesn't stack up to the players he's usually mentioned with.

The statistical evidence is NOT troll-ish. It does give us some more insight into how great players have performed as well as a way to measure how they stack up against one another (which is what we do here 90% of the time).

No it's simply a troll thread the same one that he always makes. He's trying to single out Kobe, really I don't give a flying **** about if Kobe shoots 2% less than other stars. This is why FG% is by and large the most overrated stat. He makes a conclusion that Kobe is somehow carried by his stacked teams without any context and does it purposely to try and piss off Kobe fans. That's the definition of trolling. I could throw out idiotic stats out there if I really want to make a player look bad. I don't care if he thinks Kobe is overrated, no need to constantly litter the boards with his idiotic threads. No one really gives a shit what he thinks except for other trolls.

[secund2nun]

Very good thread, but if you take away their blue pill they will get angry and blast you or think you are crazy. They will do anything to stay in their fictional media created world. They will not take the red pill.

[secund2nun]

Kobe's TS% isn't even that good. It's better than what his FG% might indicate but it's still weak compared to all-time greats like Jordan, Lebron, and Magic.

It's comparable to someone like Melo.

+1

Very true. He is in the Melo category. I'd say he is better than Melo but that is the category he belongs in.

He "wills" his ways to 7th seeds just like Melo and Bosh.

[oh the horror]

Very good thread, but if you take away their blue pill they will get angry and blast you or think you are crazy. They will do anything to stay in their fictional media created world. They will not take the red pill.



Calm down Morpheus. Even if we explained what we're talking about, you wouldn't agree anyway.

[diamenz]

Says the guy who has an avatar of Batman spanking Catwoman

:roll:



They make it too easy :lol

you're terrible. you're like those warcraft nerds, or extreme 2pac fans, except you're dressed in a heat jersey with a headband above your thick glasses.

[ihoopallday]

If you don't like this Tony Montana poster, why not just put him on your ignore list? He's obviously going to post whatever he feels like. It's just stupid continuing to complain about the trolls when you can easily ignore them.

[Round Mound]

If you don't like this Tony Montana poster, why not just put him on your ignore list? He's obviously going to post whatever he feels like. It's just stupid continuing to complain about the trolls when you can easily ignore them.

[B]Tony Montana is a Very Good Poster. Infact, He is One of the Best New Posters We Have and He Back Down

[oh the horror]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Tony Montana is a Very Good Poster. Infact, He is One of the Best New Posters We Have and He Back Down

[Electric Slide]

I'm sorry dude but I'm hardly a "Kobe tard"

I'm a 32 year old man and the kid is just flat out OBNOXIOUS.


Posting facts and numbers doesn't mean you're not an a-hole to go along with it.
Who cares if he's an a-hole about it? Quit being a *****.

[oh the horror]

Who cares if he's an a-hole about it? Quit being a *****.



Hardly that kiddo. Check yourself.

[Electric Slide]

Hardly that kiddo. Check yourself.
I don't get it.

He is posting facts and nobody can argue otherwise against him, just posting pictures and accusing him of being someone else. Kobe fans tend to do this a lot.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I don't get it.

He is posting facts and nobody can argue otherwise against him, just posting pictures and accusing him of being someone else. Kobe fans tend to do this a lot.

His "facts" only prove a direct corrleration between Kobe's success being essential to the Lakers success.

[funnystuff]

I cant imagine how bad facts must be to the eyes of Kobe fans.

[andgar923]

His "facts" only prove a direct corrleration between Kobe's success being essential to the Lakers success.

All the "facts" prove that teams need their star players to perform well to win, nothing new.

The argument was, Kobe's teams don't need him as much as other star's teams because he doesn't perform as well as they do.

[chazzy]

The argument was, Kobe's teams don't need him as much as other star's teams because he doesn't perform as well as they do.
No, he's arguing FG% is better than TS% because of this correlation. But he doesn't list TS% in wins and losses as well so this thread is worthless

[TheMarkMadsen]

All the "facts" prove that teams need their star players to perform well to win, nothing new.

The argument was, Kobe's teams don't need him as much as other star's teams because he doesn't perform as well as they do.

And the argument wasn't supported by the "facts"

Your point?

[Legends66NBA7]

It's never the right time to say goodbye

Eh, I guess I don't get the phrase.

[fozi]

Ok.

[Nash]

I love how sensitive Kobe fans are right now yet they make the most ridiculous threads about Lebron and have no problem with it at all.

Nobody is sensitive like this when kennethgriffin makes his hilarious threads, or 9eperempere, or ripthekik.. How about all of those "he's so unclutch" threads, or "he's a statpadder".. or maybe all of those "lol 0 rings" threads we heard all the time before 2012.

Notice how none of those have any facts to support them, while Tony Montana, and pauk I may add, usually bring loads and loads of data and facts to their arguments. And they get called trolls by Kobe fans.